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 11 2012-12-11 00:19:20 <phantomcircuit> etotheipi_, it's funny the on disk storage is really just a cache of the network state
 12 2012-12-11 00:19:30 <phantomcircuit> but even then it's hard to get the performance to be good enough
 13 2012-12-11 00:20:25 <sipa> what are you talking about?
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 33 2012-12-11 01:31:19 <helo> bam! http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/12/ibms-nanophotonic-tech-integrates-optic-data-right-into-chips/
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 35 2012-12-11 01:40:05 <helo> so maybe hardware will just blast through all bottlenecks
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 37 2012-12-11 01:46:27 <sipa> gmaxwell: where was your testnet node?
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 40 2012-12-11 01:48:11 <jgarzik> sipa: if you're just looking for any old testnet node... us4.exmulti.net
 41 2012-12-11 01:48:47 <sipa> ok
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121 2012-12-11 03:32:27 <nebulus> does anyone know how long the wallet passcode can be?
122 2012-12-11 03:32:38 <nebulus> at max
123 2012-12-11 03:33:43 <phantomcircuit> longer than you can likely remember
124 2012-12-11 03:33:53 <phantomcircuit> certainly longer than is really useful
125 2012-12-11 03:34:40 <nebulus> well there was an article on arstechnica saying that now with 25 GPU any windows password can be cracked
126 2012-12-11 03:35:00 <nebulus> prolly same applies to the wallet pass
127 2012-12-11 03:35:00 <phantomcircuit> the article is totally retarded
128 2012-12-11 03:35:05 <phantomcircuit> they're talking about NTLM
129 2012-12-11 03:35:20 <phantomcircuit> which is probably the worst hashing algorithm ever
130 2012-12-11 03:35:36 <phantomcircuit> with NTLM the maximum length of a password is 7 characters
131 2012-12-11 03:35:43 <phantomcircuit> oh and they're always uppercase
132 2012-12-11 03:35:49 <nebulus> wont lie i did not read it
133 2012-12-11 03:36:06 <nebulus> hmm so they werent talking about regular windows password
134 2012-12-11 03:36:09 <phantomcircuit> bruteforcing ntlm passwords has *always* been easy
135 2012-12-11 03:36:12 <nebulus> that is retarded
136 2012-12-11 03:36:16 <phantomcircuit> no they were
137 2012-12-11 03:36:25 <phantomcircuit> windows uses a horrible password hashing algorithm
138 2012-12-11 03:36:35 <phantomcircuit> you can optionally turn on a better one
139 2012-12-11 03:37:12 <nebulus> wait you are saying that windows pass is 7 char max
140 2012-12-11 03:37:26 <nebulus> how is that if i have about 12 chars for pass on my work pc
141 2012-12-11 03:37:41 <phantomcircuit> nebulus, NTLM takes your password and splits it into two 7 character pieces
142 2012-12-11 03:37:58 <phantomcircuit> then it calculates 2 3DES based hashes
143 2012-12-11 03:38:21 <phantomcircuit> bruteforcing 2 7 character 3DES hashes is *much* easier than 1 14 character hash
144 2012-12-11 03:38:48 <phantomcircuit> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTLM
145 2012-12-11 03:39:22 <nebulus> meh dont want to go down a rabbit hole
146 2012-12-11 03:39:41 <nebulus> just was wondering about the wallet pass phrase
147 2012-12-11 03:39:47 <nebulus> i guess its okay
148 2012-12-11 03:39:55 <nebulus> what i got now is ok
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188 2012-12-11 06:12:41 <nanotube> TD[gone]: hey - so it seems the first difficulty change after the block reward halving was only a minus 2% or so. i win the bet. :)
189 2012-12-11 06:12:44 <nanotube> ;;prevdiffchange
190 2012-12-11 06:12:47 <gribble> -1.99852
191 2012-12-11 06:13:19 <gmaxwell> nanotube: what was the bet?
192 2012-12-11 06:14:38 <nanotube> 20usd worth of btc, if the first difficulty change after block halving is less than 50% in magnitude.
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194 2012-12-11 06:15:46 <nanotube> i was willing to take a smaller cutoff, but he went for 50% and i said ok :)
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199 2012-12-11 06:20:05 <sta> what a a gambler...
200 2012-12-11 06:20:14 <nanotube> ;;calc 20/[ticker --last]
201 2012-12-11 06:20:15 <gribble> 1.49231457991
202 2012-12-11 06:20:17 <nanotube> heh
203 2012-12-11 06:20:28 <nanotube> sta: heh just having a little fun. ;)
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214 2012-12-11 07:13:59 <grondilu> hi, are all samples in src/test/data/base58_encode_decode.json supposed to be correct?  Somehow I can't manage to reproduce the same amount of leading '1's.
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217 2012-12-11 07:15:02 <grondilu> isn't the formula for the length of the base58 string output supposed to be 'number_of_bytes * 138/100 + 1'?
218 2012-12-11 07:15:34 <jgarzik> grondilu: bitcoind verifies all those samples, yes.  additionally, my C implementation independently verifies all those samples.
219 2012-12-11 07:18:02 <grondilu> Ok, there must be something I don't get, then.
220 2012-12-11 07:19:08 <grondilu> take this example: ["00eb15231dfceb60925886b67d065299925915aeb172c06647", "1NS17iag9jJgTHD1VXjvLCEnZuQ3rJDE9L"]
221 2012-12-11 07:19:33 <grondilu> the hex string represents 25 bytes
222 2012-12-11 07:20:13 <grondilu> 25*138 + 1 = 35.5
223 2012-12-11 07:20:44 <grondilu> So I was expecting a 35-characters-long string.
224 2012-12-11 07:21:01 <grondilu> yet  "1NS17iag9jJgTHD1VXjvLCEnZuQ3rJDE9L" is 34 characters.
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228 2012-12-11 07:29:06 <grondilu> ah ok I think I get it.  'num_of_bytes*138/100 + 1' is just a maximum size used to initialize the placeover.
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230 2012-12-11 07:35:40 <nanotube> hi grondilu ltns :)
231 2012-12-11 07:38:15 <grondilu> hi
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250 2012-12-11 08:25:48 <DMCommit> [DiabloMiner] Diablo-D3 pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/zU4TNg
251 2012-12-11 08:25:48 <DMCommit> DiabloMiner/master 1a2917a Patrick McFarland: Fixed #43
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256 2012-12-11 08:30:46 <DMCommit> [DiabloMiner] Diablo-D3 force-pushed master from 1a2917a to 886b7b4: http://git.io/bG-UHg
257 2012-12-11 08:30:46 <DMCommit> DiabloMiner/master 886b7b4 Patrick McFarland: Fixed #48
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292 2012-12-11 10:52:03 <Ferroh> What is the theoretical maximum number of transactions you can put in a block?
293 2012-12-11 10:55:16 <sipa> something like 4000
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300 2012-12-11 11:01:59 <sipa> Guest53981: what's wrong with your connection/nick registration, jgarzik?
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373 2012-12-11 15:08:55 <DMCommit> DiabloMiner/master 43aaa19 Patrick McFarland: Fix a potential outputBuffer overflow
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428 2012-12-11 17:16:51 <Pucilowski> What format does dumpprivkey return?
429 2012-12-11 17:19:03 <gmaxwell> dumpprivkey format.
430 2012-12-11 17:20:24 <abracadabra> heh
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433 2012-12-11 17:22:45 <sipa> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/WIF
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453 2012-12-11 18:25:04 <Pucilowski> Thanks sipa
454 2012-12-11 18:25:14 <Pucilowski> Do some WIF keys not have a hex equivelent?
455 2012-12-11 18:26:22 <Pucilowski> I took the WIF key and put it into blockchain.info and exported a hex key that generates a completely different public key
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457 2012-12-11 18:31:24 <sipa> what was the first character of the WIF?
458 2012-12-11 18:31:37 <Pucilowski> K
459 2012-12-11 18:31:39 <sipa> (don't reveal any other character, ever)
460 2012-12-11 18:31:53 <sipa> right, so it's a private key for a compressed pubkey
461 2012-12-11 18:32:13 <sipa> so a pubkey that starts with 02 or 03 in hex
462 2012-12-11 18:32:23 <sipa> not all software supports these yet
463 2012-12-11 18:32:37 <Pucilowski> It generated the bitcoin address just fine so it must support it
464 2012-12-11 18:33:03 <Pucilowski> I also used Casascius address utility to derrive the address and it checks out
465 2012-12-11 18:33:16 <Pucilowski> I then tried to generate the address from the hex priv key and got a different address
466 2012-12-11 18:33:45 <sipa> the hex key doesn't know whrther it's for a compressed or uncompressed pubkey
467 2012-12-11 18:34:10 <sipa> so you'd pribably get the uncompressed equivalent one, which has a different address
468 2012-12-11 18:34:26 <Pucilowski> I see
469 2012-12-11 18:34:51 <drizztbsd> maybe you can convert it using https://www.bitaddress.org
470 2012-12-11 18:34:54 <Pucilowski> Can you point to any utility that could convert my compressed with key to the traditional uncompressed hex?
471 2012-12-11 18:35:15 <Pucilowski> Thanks drizztbsd
472 2012-12-11 18:35:19 <Pucilowski> how safe is this to use though
473 2012-12-11 18:35:25 <drizztbsd> I checked, it's all client-side javascript
474 2012-12-11 18:35:45 <sipa> Pucilowski: the point is that it is for all intents and purposes two different keys, but their hex representation is the same
475 2012-12-11 18:36:15 <sipa> there is no conversion, it's just informatiin that is not present in the hex form
476 2012-12-11 18:37:46 <Pucilowski> How would I import it into Armory then?
477 2012-12-11 18:39:31 <Pucilowski> oh I see now
478 2012-12-11 18:39:44 <Pucilowski> the public address wasn't checking out because i was being shown the compressed address
479 2012-12-11 18:41:58 <sipa> armory doesn't supposed compressed pubkeys. period
480 2012-12-11 18:42:11 <sipa> *support
481 2012-12-11 18:45:59 <Pucilowski> So compressed keys simply do not have an uncompressed equivelent and the support must come from the software?
482 2012-12-11 18:46:54 <sipa> yes
483 2012-12-11 18:47:14 <sipa> they're a new type of addresses essentially, except you can't see from the address which type it belongs to
484 2012-12-11 18:47:29 <sipa> the reason is that old software can send to compressedpubkey addresses without problems
485 2012-12-11 18:47:48 <sipa> but to spend from such keys, you need support
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499 2012-12-11 19:20:11 <ciscoftw> orphaned vs stale... i understand how a block can become orphned by the netowkr, but what would cause a block to go 'stale'?
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504 2012-12-11 19:21:49 <sipa> ciscoftw: in many cases, it's two names for the same thing
505 2012-12-11 19:22:17 <ciscoftw> ummmm, via bitminter, its uses both terms interchangable
506 2012-12-11 19:22:23 <sipa> ciscoftw: but what is called "orphan block" in the software source code (and i think that's the only meaningful definition) is a block which has no parent
507 2012-12-11 19:22:52 <sipa> vs. a stale block (which was pools typically call 'orphan block') is a block which is connected to the block tree, but not (anymore) part of the best chain
508 2012-12-11 19:22:56 <ciscoftw> right, that makes perfect sense, but 'stale'???
509 2012-12-11 19:23:22 <sipa> you create a stale block if it depended on a block which is no longer the current best
510 2012-12-11 19:23:33 <sipa> gmaxwell proposed calling it an extinct block
511 2012-12-11 19:23:40 <sipa> which probably makes more sense
512 2012-12-11 19:23:45 <ciscoftw> i got you, thanx for info sipa
513 2012-12-11 19:24:12 <sipa> the origin of the confusion is that stale/extinct blocks give rise to orphaned coinbase transactions
514 2012-12-11 19:24:25 <sipa> so the software would show your payouts from those as orphaned
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523 2012-12-11 19:51:42 <DMCommit> DiabloMiner/master b7c96a4 Patrick McFarland: Try to track down real cause of issue #48
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546 2012-12-11 20:38:54 <midnightmagic> BlueMatt: You are using Jenkins right?
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548 2012-12-11 20:40:52 <midnightmagic> BlueMatt: And if so, is there access to the dashboard somewhere, public?
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550 2012-12-11 20:42:30 <midnightmagic> BlueMatt: Nevermind, found it.
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553 2012-12-11 20:48:22 <midnightmagic> BlueMatt: Is this script /mnt/test-scripts/build-script.sh as referenced in http://jenkins.bluematt.me/job/Bitcoin/176/consoleFull available somewhere?
554 2012-12-11 20:50:57 <sipa> i'm sure it's on his github somewhere
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556 2012-12-11 20:57:42 <midnightmagic> indeed.. https://github.com/TheBlueMatt/test-scripts/blob/master/build-script.sh
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565 2012-12-11 21:26:37 <phantomcircuit> lol
566 2012-12-11 21:26:42 <phantomcircuit> loading cold storage wallet on a netbook
567 2012-12-11 21:26:54 <phantomcircuit> this takes roughly an 30 minutes
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577 2012-12-11 21:49:24 <BlueMatt> midnightmagic: yes, that was all correct
578 2012-12-11 21:49:46 <BlueMatt> midnightmagic: please add more features :)
579 2012-12-11 21:50:10 <sipa> BlueMatt: I have a branch with a new LevelDB version (1.7) and new Windows port (which doesn't require Boost, and uses memory mapping)
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581 2012-12-11 21:50:33 <sipa> BlueMatt: but it doesn't work in mingw32, and seems to require mingw-w64 (which also has a 32-bit version, confusingly enough)
582 2012-12-11 21:50:49 <sipa> so that would mean switching to a more recent ubuntu environment to build on
583 2012-12-11 21:51:04 <BlueMatt> sipa: if its just for the windows build, sounds good to me
584 2012-12-11 21:51:20 <sipa> yes, i don't think there's a problem for the ubuntu builds
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586 2012-12-11 21:51:39 <BlueMatt> if you want me to upgrade jenkins...I can do so
587 2012-12-11 21:51:51 <sipa> i'll first try a gitian build on a more recent ubuntu image
588 2012-12-11 21:52:29 <BlueMatt> ok...I really should switch jenkins over to lxc gitian...
589 2012-12-11 21:53:03 <sipa> is there any reason why the windows build image needs to be 32-bit?
590 2012-12-11 21:53:15 <sipa> i guess the fact that it doesn't need 64-bit support is good enough a reason
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592 2012-12-11 21:54:08 <BlueMatt> yea...pretty much
593 2012-12-11 21:55:04 <sipa> it's probably doable to remove the c++0x dependency of the code (just NULL instead of nullptr) but the windows header files included with mingw32 seem to miss some functions that are used
594 2012-12-11 21:55:18 <sipa> it's probably also possible to just manually define those
595 2012-12-11 21:55:33 <sipa> but it's a nice opportunity to switch to a more recent compiler anyway
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597 2012-12-11 21:57:11 <BlueMatt> yea, seems like something that should be done in any case
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607 2012-12-11 22:16:24 <sipa> BlueMatt: i'll try a precise image
608 2012-12-11 22:16:46 <sipa> that has g++-mingw-w64 v4.6.3
609 2012-12-11 22:18:24 <lianj> hm, is "00f2b7816db49d55d24df7bdffdbc1e203b424e8cd39f5651ab938e5e4a193569e" a valid pubkey?
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612 2012-12-11 22:24:05 <BlueMatt> sipa: ok, nice
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625 2012-12-11 22:45:40 <sipa> lianj: no
626 2012-12-11 22:46:23 <lianj> sipa: how did it get in the main chain then, http://blockexplorer.com/rawtx/274f8be3b7b9b1a220285f5f71f61e2691dd04df9d69bb02a8b3b85f91fb1857
627 2012-12-11 22:47:58 <Luke-Jr> lianj: it's just data at that layer
628 2012-12-11 22:48:17 <sipa> where do you see that?
629 2012-12-11 22:48:25 <Luke-Jr> scriptPubKey
630 2012-12-11 22:48:30 <gmaxwell> lianj: its just in the txout.
631 2012-12-11 22:48:39 <lianj> so bitcoind when running catches the invalid encoding error when trying to put that data into a ec point=
632 2012-12-11 22:48:51 <lianj> *bitcoind's script runner
633 2012-12-11 22:49:07 <sipa> really? :o
634 2012-12-11 22:49:22 <lianj> gmaxwell: but it was redeemed
635 2012-12-11 22:49:29 <Luke-Jr> lianj: it's a multisig 1-of-2
636 2012-12-11 22:49:33 <lianj> sipa: no, that was a question
637 2012-12-11 22:49:40 <Luke-Jr> lianj: the redeemer only needs 1 of the 2 keys
638 2012-12-11 22:49:44 <Luke-Jr> the other one is valid
639 2012-12-11 22:50:15 <lianj> Luke-Jr: yes, the frist one is valid already, i know. question is just why didnt the script runner fail or error/warn about the invalid second pubkey
640 2012-12-11 22:50:33 <Luke-Jr> because it doesn't check it
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642 2012-12-11 22:51:00 <lianj> oh, it breaks the loop once it found enough valid sigs for the multisig?
643 2012-12-11 22:51:10 <lianj> well, that makes sense then
644 2012-12-11 22:51:34 <gmaxwell> another test case testnet needs..
645 2012-12-11 22:51:47 <sipa> yup
646 2012-12-11 22:51:52 <lianj> another way to push ascii crap in the chain
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648 2012-12-11 22:57:36 <Luke-Jr> sipa: does your "non-canonical data is non-standard" address that?
649 2012-12-11 22:57:52 <lianj> thanks guys
650 2012-12-11 22:58:49 <sipa> Luke-Jr: no
651 2012-12-11 22:59:19 <sipa> it doesn't know what piece of data push is a signature or a pubkey until it is effectively used as such
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653 2012-12-11 22:59:34 <sipa> it just enforces stricter rules when it does
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655 2012-12-11 23:00:04 <Luke-Jr> sipa: in this case, it could
656 2012-12-11 23:00:37 <sipa> indeed
657 2012-12-11 23:00:40 <sipa> can be discussed
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663 2012-12-11 23:05:39 <lianj> gmaxwell: i wonder why http://blockchain.info/tx/274f8be3b7b9b1a220285f5f71f61e2691dd04df9d69bb02a8b3b85f91fb1857 says "(Escrow 1 of 1NdB761LmT... 19j7nUtted... ) - (Spent)" though
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666 2012-12-11 23:06:32 <lianj> oh > Bitcoin.pubkey_to_address("00f2b7816db49d55d24df7bdffdbc1e203b424e8cd39f5651ab938e5e4a193569e")
667 2012-12-11 23:06:35 <lianj> => "19j7nUttedmQymji5sLeh4V5zqTi2dDFrL"
668 2012-12-11 23:06:50 <lianj> very 'naive'
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671 2012-12-11 23:11:47 <sipa> BlueMatt: seems precise i386 even has the w64 cross compiler :)
672 2012-12-11 23:11:55 <sipa> so we could build 64-bit windows binaries
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676 2012-12-11 23:21:42 <lianj> what is the right address for pubkey 0351efb6e91a31221652105d032a2508275f374cea63939ad72f1b1e02f477da78?  1NdB761LmTmrJixxp93nz7pEiCx5cKPW44, 19FBCg9295EBQ4P6bSLTGyz2BdbbPcqQD or even 1PtACTbovWULQDDGxDCi1M7CURJ9PtBWkw
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683 2012-12-11 23:32:17 <sipa> HUH?
684 2012-12-11 23:32:19 <sipa> + mkdir /home/ubuntu/qt
685 2012-12-11 23:32:19 <sipa> mkdir: cannot create directory `/home/ubuntu/qt': File exists
686 2012-12-11 23:32:33 <sipa> has gitian been writing to my base image the previous time?
687 2012-12-11 23:35:35 <lianj> 0351efb6e91a31221652105d032a2508275f374cea63939ad72f1b1e02f477da78 is a compressed key, right? is the bitcoin address == pubkey_to_address(compressed_key) or pubkey_to_address(uncompressed_compressed_key) then?
688 2012-12-11 23:36:06 <sipa> hash(compressed_key)
689 2012-12-11 23:37:44 <lianj> so 0351efb6e91a31221652105d032a2508275f374cea63939ad72f1b1e02f477da78 is 1NdB761LmTmrJixxp93nz7pEiCx5cKPW44 and not 19FBCg9295EBQ4P6bSLTGyz2BdbbPcqQD then?
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691 2012-12-11 23:43:23 <lianj> sipa: confuses me. wouldnt hash(uncompressed_compressed_key) make more sense?
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694 2012-12-11 23:48:39 <sipa> no - how would an old client validate that?
695 2012-12-11 23:49:18 <sipa> the script says "provide a pubkey and a signature such that a) the signature is valid for that pubkey and b) the hash of the pubkey is ADDRESS"
696 2012-12-11 23:50:02 <sipa> if the address where the hash of the uncompressed pubkey, you'd need to provide the uncompressed pubkey in the spending input as well
697 2012-12-11 23:50:18 <sipa> in which case you've gained nothing
698 2012-12-11 23:50:38 <sipa> *were
699 2012-12-11 23:50:43 <lianj> you dont need to provide it but bitcoind had to generate it
700 2012-12-11 23:51:58 <sipa> the point of compressed pubkeys is exactly that they take less space in the blockchain
701 2012-12-11 23:52:12 <sipa> if you'd just change how they are stored in the wallet - who cares about 32 bytes there?
702 2012-12-11 23:52:49 <sipa> the whole thing is just a very nice hack, really
703 2012-12-11 23:53:03 <sipa> it was possible because old nodes accepted compressed public keys
704 2012-12-11 23:53:08 <sipa> even though they didn't know about them
705 2012-12-11 23:54:37 <lianj> ok, just saying in my code it would be easier to generate an address from the uncompressed form of the ec point rather then checking if its compressed or not an then put the right pubkey version in the hash_to_address function
706 2012-12-11 23:55:18 <lianj> it has nothing to do with how it is in the script as data itself
707 2012-12-11 23:56:04 <sipa> the rule is just that the address is always the hash of the public key as it will be passed by the spending input script, as the output requires that hash(pubkey)=ADDRESS
708 2012-12-11 23:56:27 <sipa> if you're going to pass an uncompressed pubkey there, then the address is the hash of the uncompressed pubkey
709 2012-12-11 23:56:35 <sipa> if you're going to pass a compressed pubkey there, then the address is the hash of the compressed pubkey
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