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  2 2012-12-13 00:00:21 <sipa> anyone on windows here?
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  5 2012-12-13 00:08:06 <jgarzik> hmmm.  Difficult to tell when to add to the TX-seen cache.
  6 2012-12-13 00:09:17 <jgarzik> Cannot do it in the AlreadyHave() call, because the peer->AskFor() that is triggered may not result in any useful response.
  7 2012-12-13 00:10:22 <sipa> you add it as soon as you've tried connecting it
  8 2012-12-13 00:10:41 <sipa> before that you don't know if it's valid or not
  9 2012-12-13 00:11:15 <gmaxwell> yea, has to be after you've checked the hash, otherwise I tell you I have AAAA and give you bad data, you reject it and never pull AAAA.
 10 2012-12-13 00:11:25 <sipa> indeed
 11 2012-12-13 00:11:41 <sipa> but not just CheckTransaction, as that gets called for orphans as well
 12 2012-12-13 00:11:51 <sipa> and you don't know whether orphans are valid yet
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 25 2012-12-13 00:34:59 <sipa> bah, seems the produced file depends on some gcc .dll's
 26 2012-12-13 00:35:42 <gmaxwell> sipa: ssp.dll?
 27 2012-12-13 00:36:05 <jgarzik> sipa: maybe you want -static-libgcc and/or -static-libstdc++
 28 2012-12-13 00:36:11 <sipa> indeed
 29 2012-12-13 00:36:34 <sipa> libgcc_s_sjlj-1.dll, libstdc++6.dll, libgcc_s_dm2-1.dll
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 41 2012-12-13 01:18:07 <sipa> seems to work!
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 73 2012-12-13 02:54:48 <Ferroh> 0.5 probability that a block will be found after 6.93 minutes. Does that seem right to you guys?
 74 2012-12-13 02:54:51 <Ferroh> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/14r91u/the_reason_we_do_see_long_delays_between_blocks/
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 76 2012-12-13 03:02:41 <fiesh> Ferroh: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_distribution#Mean.2C_variance.2C_moments_and_median
 77 2012-12-13 03:03:03 <fiesh> Ferroh: it's all listed there, and yes, 6.93... = log(2)/10 is right for the median
 78 2012-12-13 03:04:37 <fiesh> (which of course means that the computations in the reddit article are wrong, working with a halflife time of 10 minutes)
 79 2012-12-13 03:04:55 <fiesh> oh it seems he fixed them
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 87 2012-12-13 03:17:38 <roconnor> so I was thinking of solving etotheipi's problem as follows.  Let PubKey[i] = Hash(ChainCode[i])*PubKey[0]  and PrivKey[i] = Hash(ChainCode[i])*PrivKey[0].
 88 2012-12-13 03:18:02 <roconnor> one releases a signature of PubKey[0]
 89 2012-12-13 03:18:48 <roconnor> Call Hash(ChainCode[i]) := InvoiceID[i]
 90 2012-12-13 03:19:17 <roconnor> then release (InvoiceID[i], PubKey[i]) to your client (though PubKey[i] can be derived).
 91 2012-12-13 03:19:52 <roconnor> the client can verify that PubKey[i] = InvoiceID[i]*PubKey[0] and that PubKey[0] is properly signed.
 92 2012-12-13 03:21:03 <roconnor> this means the client knows that only someone who effectively knows PrivKey[0] could receive funds to PubKey[i].
 93 2012-12-13 03:22:13 <roconnor> And the Hash prevent the client from deriving ChainCode[i], and discovering what other transactions belong to the PubKey[0].
 94 2012-12-13 03:23:34 <roconnor> however a client can prove to the world that their transaction went to the owner of PrivKey[0].
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 99 2012-12-13 03:43:41 <gavinandresen> roconnor: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130456  is relevant
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144 2012-12-13 09:05:04 <m0mchil> sipa: still need windows tester?
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154 2012-12-13 09:17:29 <sipa> m0mchil: yes, see http://bitcoin.sipa.be/builds/leveldb17
155 2012-12-13 09:18:26 <m0mchil> sipa: yes, was wondering if this is it... expected to see a 64 bit one too
156 2012-12-13 09:18:55 <sipa> no 64-bit for now
157 2012-12-13 09:21:14 <m0mchil> currently able to sanity test it in VM only, will do performance test later
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160 2012-12-13 09:24:39 <sipa> just getting it to compile in 32-bit already took enough :)
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164 2012-12-13 09:32:18 <jeremias> Bitcoin team at coderwall: https://coderwall.com/team/bitcoin
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167 2012-12-13 09:34:44 <jeremias> hmm, now noticed that this team at coderwall doesn't make much sense, it is aimed for companies
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170 2012-12-13 09:40:40 <m0mchil> sipa: menu is shown, but not working (File, Settings, Help)... I think it was the same with 244-g3ccb06f
171 2012-12-13 09:41:15 <sipa> wut?
172 2012-12-13 09:41:45 <sipa> that's the last thing i would expect to fail
173 2012-12-13 09:42:18 <sipa> qt is just about the only thing that didn'tget upgraded
174 2012-12-13 09:42:42 <m0mchil> yes, seems strange
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176 2012-12-13 09:43:57 <m0mchil> also, in options dialog (showing fine trough system tray menu) it keeps reverting to first tab 'Main'
177 2012-12-13 09:44:34 <m0mchil> does someone else reported this on windows 7?
178 2012-12-13 09:44:47 <sipa> 6?
179 2012-12-13 09:45:26 <sipa> i tried it priefly on win7 myself, but not thoroughly
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190 2012-12-13 10:19:39 <jine> ;;seen Luke-Jr
191 2012-12-13 10:19:39 <gribble> Luke-Jr was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 15 hours, 39 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: of course they aren't. I don't see how that's even possible.
192 2012-12-13 10:23:09 <jine> ;;seen theymos
193 2012-12-13 10:23:10 <gribble> theymos was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 2 weeks, 1 day, 8 hours, 38 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <theymos> gmaxwell: Sounds like maybe some strange problem with BBE's server then. Much less interesting than a DoS attack. :( I'll have to watch to see if something like that happens again. Thanks for looking into it.
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244 2012-12-13 13:22:07 <wumpus> BlueMatt: I don't think there are any problems with boost 1.52 an bitcoin, not that I remember at least
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247 2012-12-13 13:30:19 <sipa> wumpus: good to know; i managed to compile a windows bitcoin-qt binary with leveldb 1.7, boost 1.52, mingw-w64 g++ 4.6.3
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250 2012-12-13 13:34:04 <sipa> wumpus: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=129861.msg1397240#msg1397240
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252 2012-12-13 13:37:17 <m0mchil> sipa: false alarm about the menus, the problem is only in the VM
253 2012-12-13 13:38:38 <wumpus> ah now I remember, I managed to cross-compile it with the mingw-64 that comes with Ubuntu 10.04 once as well, it worked fine I just had some wine issues with boost interprocess (https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1719), that was boost 1.51 though
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255 2012-12-13 13:39:14 <wumpus> no reason to hold up a releast though I suppose no one except developers are running bitcoin in wine in practice
256 2012-12-13 13:39:39 <sipa> well, i think we want to get rid of boost::interprocess anyway
257 2012-12-13 13:41:01 <wumpus> yeah
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260 2012-12-13 13:47:25 <sipa> m0mchil: good to know
261 2012-12-13 13:48:42 <m0mchil> when you think is best to simulate machine crash - during block importing?
262 2012-12-13 13:50:08 <m0mchil> also, i can't answer myself why is the improting of first 193000 block not faster, windows only... it seems there is only one trhead actively crunching, but I don't see IO maxed
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266 2012-12-13 13:54:26 <sipa> m0mchil: if you pass a huge -dbcache (like a gigabyte or so), data will be written to leveldb in large batches as well (which take several seconds) and that gets written to debug.log - so a power failure exactly at that point is what you want :)
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268 2012-12-13 13:54:49 <m0mchil> nice :)
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270 2012-12-13 13:55:47 <m0mchil> will let current test complete and test this
271 2012-12-13 13:56:08 <m0mchil> any idea about first 193000 being processed by a single thread?
272 2012-12-13 13:56:32 <m0mchil> there >are< multiple threads... but only one of them is processing
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276 2012-12-13 13:58:27 <TD> m0mchil: by design
277 2012-12-13 13:58:34 <TD> m0mchil: the first 193k blocks aren't signature checked
278 2012-12-13 13:58:45 <m0mchil> oh, checkpoints
279 2012-12-13 13:58:46 <TD> it's not easy to parallelize the work that goes on during this period, but it's only for the first part of chain download
280 2012-12-13 13:58:47 <TD> indeed
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284 2012-12-13 14:06:37 <sipa> m0mchil: the new build has a -nocheckpoints option by the way
285 2012-12-13 14:07:10 <sipa> but even with that you won't see too much parallellism before block 130k or so
286 2012-12-13 14:07:39 <sipa> it's just a very simple job queue for now, and it's not that good at keeping all threads busy if there's not too much work
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290 2012-12-13 14:30:53 <gavinandresen> sipa: I got about a 2x speedup on my quad-core mac benchmarking yesterday (41 versus 94 minutes to rebuild coins/ up to block 200,111)
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318 2012-12-13 15:18:54 <sipa> gavinandresen: using coins rebuild?
319 2012-12-13 15:19:07 <sipa> MC1984: basic form yes
320 2012-12-13 15:20:24 <sipa> gavinandresen: oh, i should read entire sentences
321 2012-12-13 15:20:31 <sipa> gavinandresen: hmm, nice, but could be better
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324 2012-12-13 15:27:58 <m0mchil> sipa: ok, for 283-gf6aadb1-win32
325 2012-12-13 15:28:22 <m0mchil> 88 minutes user time, 5h:46m CPU time, 71% average CPU, peak mem 235 MB, average memory usage was somewhat lower (than 244-g3ccb06f-win32)
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328 2012-12-13 15:32:02 <jaromil> lv
329 2012-12-13 15:32:43 <jaromil> mistype nvm, hi everyone :)
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332 2012-12-13 15:35:58 <sipa> gavinandresen: do you happen to know how much of that time was to get to 193k?
333 2012-12-13 15:37:05 <gavinandresen> sipa: didn't check.  I'm re-running recompiled with clang, I'll keep track of the 0-193k time
334 2012-12-13 15:38:17 <gmaxwell> sipa: p2pool produced an invalid block today. Might be somewhat interesting.
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336 2012-12-13 15:38:59 <sipa> gavinandresen: when benchmarking par/hal code, i started from a synced node, deleted coins/, let it resync to 193k, stop, and then made a snapshot of coins/ and blktree/; so i could just benchmark how long rebuilding 193k-210k took by restoring the snapshot
337 2012-12-13 15:39:06 <sipa> gavinandresen: oh wow, do we know how?
338 2012-12-13 15:39:10 <sipa> eh, gmaxwell
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342 2012-12-13 15:43:07 <gmaxwell> 12/13/12 09:46:16 InvalidChainFound: invalid block=0000000000000202a4ba  height=212048  work=659104249036541781231  date=12/13/12 09:52:08
343 2012-12-13 15:43:32 <gmaxwell> But it didn't log any reason _why_ it didn't accept it. timestamp and prev looks fine.
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363 2012-12-13 16:19:50 <gavinandresen> sipa: ... make that a 3x speedup for 193,000 on up.  Which matches CPU usage I'm seeing.
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367 2012-12-13 16:28:16 <denisx> gavinandresen: so you do have a macversion of HEAD now?
368 2012-12-13 16:28:31 <denisx> gimme gimme gimme! ;)
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378 2012-12-13 16:56:22 <MC1984> excellent
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380 2012-12-13 16:57:29 <MC1984> is it just verification multi threaded
381 2012-12-13 16:57:40 <MC1984> or verify + i/o
382 2012-12-13 16:57:43 <MC1984> or both
383 2012-12-13 16:58:44 <gavinandresen> just ecdsa signature checking
384 2012-12-13 16:59:36 <sipa> but signature checking DOES run in parallel with DB lookups of later transactions in the same block
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386 2012-12-13 16:59:54 <sipa> although the latter itself is signle-threaded
387 2012-12-13 17:01:40 <sipa> in cases the inputs required are cached, signature verification is about 50x slower, so it won't matter much
388 2012-12-13 17:03:16 <gavinandresen> sipa: compiling with a new clang and -flto is not significantly faster on my machine.
389 2012-12-13 17:04:43 <sipa> gavinandresen: no idea about clang - didn't even know that supported flto
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419 2012-12-13 18:31:23 <BlueMatt> wumpus: ok, i just know various issues have appeared in some versions and you and Diapolo seem to recall which versions better than me :)
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464 2012-12-13 20:17:08 <helo> for ultraprune, will there be a way for a user to manually purge their old blocks?
465 2012-12-13 20:17:30 <helo> rather, "client-assisted" purge of old blocks
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467 2012-12-13 20:19:32 <ciscoftw> blockchian.info not reachable from certain networks??? i can access blockchain.info behind some networks and not others, anybody know why this is???
468 2012-12-13 20:19:34 <sipa> sorry for the confusion, but despite the name, ultraprune is not really about pruning blocks
469 2012-12-13 20:20:02 <sipa> it's the name of a new database layout (which uses a ultra-pruned *copy* of the block chain) and associated validation engine
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471 2012-12-13 20:20:35 <sipa> as a nice advantage, it also would allow removing old blocks without problems, but that's not implemented for now
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482 2012-12-13 20:40:44 <gmaxwell> It's not only that pruning isn't implemented— Pruning can't be done until there are considerable p2p enhancements so that nodes could still _find_ blocks.
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485 2012-12-13 20:45:46 <sipa> i wonder what would happen if you'd just delete old block files yourself
486 2012-12-13 20:46:08 <sipa> it may just work, with rescans and block servings failing
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490 2012-12-13 20:53:34 <gmaxwell> sipa: if people do that in any great number the network will quite rapidly become unusuable...
491 2012-12-13 20:53:37 <gmaxwell> er unusable.
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500 2012-12-13 20:57:20 <sipa> gmaxwell: i know, i woudln't encourage it; but if it happens, it pribably means we need to officially implement it (and turn of the NODE_NETWORK bit in that case)
501 2012-12-13 20:58:28 <gmaxwell> ugh. Alternatively, until the network part is implemented make it a runtime assert. So the node will just crash the first time it fails.
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503 2012-12-13 20:58:39 <gmaxwell> But I do see what you're saying.
504 2012-12-13 20:59:16 <gmaxwell> Are we even smart enough not to pick a non-NODE_NETWORK peer for IBD?
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513 2012-12-13 21:04:22 <sipa> gmaxwell: i believe that is checked, yes
514 2012-12-13 21:05:11 <sipa> but imho there is much more need for nodes that need to sync let's say the last week vs those that have to sync from scratch
515 2012-12-13 21:05:37 <sipa> so a network bit saying "i serve the last 1000" blocks (or something) would make sense
516 2012-12-13 21:05:52 <sipa> as opposed to just nothig/everything
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519 2012-12-13 21:19:29 <gmaxwell> right, but thats why taking away NODE_NETWORK would currently be so disruptive.
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521 2012-12-13 21:19:55 <gmaxwell> also risky because people don don't know better may just rm all of them and not be able to reorg.
522 2012-12-13 21:22:01 <sipa> sure
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544 2012-12-13 22:33:18 <gavinandresen> ;;blocks
545 2012-12-13 22:33:19 <gribble> 212106
546 2012-12-13 22:36:27 <sipa> checkpoint addition time!
547 2012-12-13 22:37:33 <gavinandresen> ... and 0.7.2 final release time...
548 2012-12-13 22:37:40 <sipa> sounds good
549 2012-12-13 22:38:05 <sipa> i can build
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551 2012-12-13 22:38:25 <gavinandresen> tagging now....
552 2012-12-13 22:39:31 <gavinandresen>  * [new tag]         v0.7.2 -> v0.7.2
553 2012-12-13 22:40:13 <sipa> $ ./bitcoin-build.sh v0.7.2
554 2012-12-13 22:40:37 <helo> :D
555 2012-12-13 22:46:39 <gavinandresen> building mac/linux/win...
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557 2012-12-13 22:52:02 <sipa> 6083dbb68badfcb0706ba584d43d680e33527094ec8fede5300c45db986c61a3  bitcoin-qt.exe
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562 2012-12-13 22:54:05 <gavinandresen> afk for a while, dinner.  (mac build is done and uploading to sourceforge, though)
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571 2012-12-13 23:22:11 <sipa> gavinandresen: pushed
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574 2012-12-13 23:30:02 <denisx> sipa: nice, who found the 100% freebsd problem?
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576 2012-12-13 23:31:41 <sipa> Author: Alex <alex>
577 2012-12-13 23:32:20 <sipa> == no clue
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580 2012-12-13 23:33:12 <D34TH> sipa: my money is on Alex
581 2012-12-13 23:34:39 <sipa> 00:09:27 -!- paraipan (Alex B) [~paraipan@gateway/tor-sasl/paraipanakos] has joined #bitcoin-dev
582 2012-12-13 23:34:50 <sipa> paraipan: are you Alex? :)
583 2012-12-13 23:35:00 <paraipan> yes
584 2012-12-13 23:35:05 <paraipan> why you asking?
585 2012-12-13 23:35:26 <denisx> paraipan: what was the 100% cpu bug on freebsd?
586 2012-12-13 23:35:31 <paraipan> author of what?
587 2012-12-13 23:35:51 <paraipan> i don't think I'm that Alex
588 2012-12-13 23:35:52 <paraipan> lol
589 2012-12-13 23:36:24 <sipa> denisx: i know what the bug was, i don't know who fixed it :)
590 2012-12-13 23:36:53 <sipa> (boost::interprocess brokenness)
591 2012-12-13 23:37:56 <denisx> but the osx problem is still there
592 2012-12-13 23:38:57 <sipa> the slow validation?
593 2012-12-13 23:39:02 <denisx> yes
594 2012-12-13 23:39:38 <denisx> I did a short sample and it is used in mach_msg_trap
595 2012-12-13 23:40:33 <sipa> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1488601/how-to-find-out-what-mach-msg-trap-waits-for
596 2012-12-13 23:41:44 <denisx> hmm, maybe its the progressbar itself
597 2012-12-13 23:41:52 <denisx> osx had similar problems in the early days
598 2012-12-13 23:43:08 <sipa> is bitcoind also slow?
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600 2012-12-13 23:45:39 <sipa> gavin reported reindex for him running in 41 minutes, which sounds reasonable
601 2012-12-13 23:45:57 <denisx> sipa: what do you mean with "bitcoind also" ?
602 2012-12-13 23:46:12 <sipa> well you say the problem may be with the progressbar
603 2012-12-13 23:46:36 <sipa> one perfect way to check whether that's the cause is running the same code without progressbar :)
604 2012-12-13 23:46:49 <denisx> when the updating of teh blocks is done the progressbar is not there anymore
605 2012-12-13 23:46:56 <denisx> then bitcoind runs fine
606 2012-12-13 23:47:13 <sipa> bitcoind doesn't have a progressbar - bitcoin-qt does
607 2012-12-13 23:47:48 <denisx> sipa: ah, got it
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610 2012-12-13 23:49:20 <denisx> but I dont have bitcoind on osx ;(
611 2012-12-13 23:49:31 <sipa> oh
612 2012-12-13 23:49:48 <sipa> gavinandresen: you don't build bitcoind for osx?
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615 2012-12-13 23:55:29 <gavinandresen> sipa : no, just Qt.
616 2012-12-13 23:56:00 <denisx> gavinandresen: I would like to have bitcoind
617 2012-12-13 23:56:02 <gavinandresen> (well, I do build bitcoind for osx all the time, I just haven't bothered to do all the packaging to redistribute it)
618 2012-12-13 23:56:32 <gavinandresen> denisx: do you have Xcode installed?
619 2012-12-13 23:56:38 <denisx> gavinandresen: sure
620 2012-12-13 23:56:57 <gavinandresen> denisx: ok, I'll upload a binary for you...
621 2012-12-13 23:57:08 <denisx> gavinandresen: cool, thanks
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