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 10 2012-12-17 00:32:47 <elux> "FYI, the SSL cert for the wiki site has expired: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Main_Page There's no obvious owner on the page that I can contact."
 11 2012-12-17 00:32:50 <elux> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=131136.0
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 13 2012-12-17 00:35:02 <Luke-Jr> elux: yep, MagicalTux has been notified
 14 2012-12-17 00:35:24 <MagicalTux> it's pending issuance by CA
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 23 2012-12-17 01:50:14 <cosurgi> wjere's Artforz?
 24 2012-12-17 01:50:18 <cosurgi> where's Artforz?
 25 2012-12-17 01:50:27 <cosurgi> ;;seen Artforz
 26 2012-12-17 01:50:27 <gribble> Artforz was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 1 year, 26 weeks, 4 days, 3 hours, 21 minutes, and 1 second ago: <ArtForz> eternal beta. hah, satoshi is secretly a google employee!
 27 2012-12-17 01:50:56 <cosurgi> huh? did I lose contact for so long?
 28 2012-12-17 01:51:11 <cosurgi> omg
 29 2012-12-17 01:51:39 <cosurgi> do you guys think any of those ASIC companies being credible?
 30 2012-12-17 02:00:49 <gmaxwell> they're credible, competent remains to be seen... but this is offtopic for dev really. Should probably move it to -mining or just #bitcoin. :P
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 77 2012-12-17 05:30:31 <stam3> YOU ARE A PIECE OF SHIT GMAXWELL
 78 2012-12-17 05:30:49 <weex> lol
 79 2012-12-17 05:31:05 <stam3> what's funny?
 80 2012-12-17 05:31:19 <stam3> isn't he a piece of shit?
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 99 2012-12-17 07:04:03 <stam3> and i also wanted to say, SUCK MY COCK GMAXWELL
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152 2012-12-17 10:13:21 <SupaDupa> wsup skanky bitches?
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155 2012-12-17 10:18:32 <SupaDupa> hey RainbowDash
156 2012-12-17 10:18:37 <SupaDupa> why are you such a fuckin cunt?
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159 2012-12-17 10:21:58 <AssWobbles> hey fags
160 2012-12-17 10:22:00 <AssWobbles> hi again
161 2012-12-17 10:22:01 <AssWobbles> wsup
162 2012-12-17 10:22:02 <AssWobbles> ?
163 2012-12-17 10:22:04 <AssWobbles> :D
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168 2012-12-17 10:22:07 <AssWobbles> :D
169 2012-12-17 10:22:08 <AssWobbles> :)
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171 2012-12-17 10:22:14 <AssWobbles> la la la ala la la la al al ala la
172 2012-12-17 10:22:17 <AssWobbles> irc is boring
173 2012-12-17 10:22:23 <AssWobbles> ban me bitch
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198 2012-12-17 10:31:15 <gmaxwell> Kind of him to show himself out.
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208 2012-12-17 10:42:23 <sturles> He asked me to remove the negative rating I gave him on #bitcoin-otc.  I think not..
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220 2012-12-17 11:19:54 <forgot> why rpcminer-cuda.cuda_in.m_merkle is defined as an unsigned int? http://bpaste.net/show/w6flLBjEZNZXRM8hOT2h/
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256 2012-12-17 13:02:54 <stam5> (got the harry potter joke btw)
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258 2012-12-17 13:03:18 <stam5> (and it's a joke)
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260 2012-12-17 13:03:58 <_dr> forgot: well, what should it be?
261 2012-12-17 13:04:03 <denisx> .d
262 2012-12-17 13:04:34 <kinlo> which joke?
263 2012-12-17 13:08:03 <forgot> merkle root should be 256 bit
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291 2012-12-17 14:27:17 <jamalaka> MagicalTux: the ssl-cert of bitcoin.it has expired on 16.12.2012 and needs to be renewed.
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297 2012-12-17 14:42:16 <jgarzik> jamalaka: he knows, but thanks!
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299 2012-12-17 14:44:09 <jamalaka> well.. I don't know any way to detect if he knows about that.
300 2012-12-17 14:44:26 <jamalaka> is there a way?
301 2012-12-17 14:44:36 <sipa> jamalaka: yes, you query the jgarzik :p
302 2012-12-17 14:44:45 <jamalaka> :D
303 2012-12-17 14:45:25 <jamalaka> I will next time ^^
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306 2012-12-17 15:01:08 <forgot> is m_AH the hash of first 64byte chunk of the 80bytes block header?
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309 2012-12-17 15:05:00 <forgot> am I spamming?
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312 2012-12-17 15:14:59 <jgarzik> forgot: no idea what m_AH is
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314 2012-12-17 15:15:25 <sipa> mille ampere hash?
315 2012-12-17 15:15:30 <sipa> *milli
316 2012-12-17 15:15:36 <forgot> jgarzik, it's defined in rpcminer-cudaminer
317 2012-12-17 15:15:56 <forgot> http://bpaste.net/show/w6flLBjEZNZXRM8hOT2h/
318 2012-12-17 15:16:09 <jgarzik> forgot: #bitcoin-mining is more appropriate, but I dunno if that author is still around :(
319 2012-12-17 15:16:50 <forgot> thx for the hint
320 2012-12-17 15:17:38 <forgot> this is the cuda kernel source http://bpaste.net/show/UwTIg0fD1ATyMUNDzxcx/
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330 2012-12-17 15:22:08 <etotheipi_> sipa: can you remind me how Bitcoin-Qt does message signing?
331 2012-12-17 15:22:21 <etotheipi_> just, what algorithm, etc
332 2012-12-17 15:22:24 <etotheipi_> (or gmaxwell )
333 2012-12-17 15:22:54 <sipa> ecdsa with pubkey recovery in a custom signature encoding
334 2012-12-17 15:23:26 <etotheipi_> oh, I didn't realize it was based on pubkey recovery...  I still need to implement that
335 2012-12-17 15:23:40 <etotheipi_> well, I wanted to make Armory's signatures compatible
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337 2012-12-17 15:26:46 <etotheipi_> so what is the sig encoding?
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339 2012-12-17 15:27:11 <sipa> one byte + 32-byte R + 32-byte S
340 2012-12-17 15:27:40 <sipa> the one byte is 27 (not 0x27) + flags, where flags consists of 3 bits
341 2012-12-17 15:27:59 <etotheipi_> gah, maybe there should be a BIP for this, or something
342 2012-12-17 15:28:04 <sipa> yeah
343 2012-12-17 15:29:15 <forgot> did I just got kicked? sorry for flooding
344 2012-12-17 15:29:21 <etotheipi_> If bitcoin-qt is going to continue to support message signing, isn't there some way we can all use "signature blocks"?
345 2012-12-17 15:29:29 <etotheipi_> it doesn't have to be the way armory does it
346 2012-12-17 15:29:50 <etotheipi_> I just want a non-ambiguous way to transmit message&signature in one copy
347 2012-12-17 15:30:45 <etotheipi_> something that will preserve whitespace, and preferably be copy&paste-able via email
348 2012-12-17 15:30:53 <sipa> mhmm
349 2012-12-17 15:32:01 <sipa> easiest is probably to add the encoded message inside a base64 encoded structure or so, but that loses human readability
350 2012-12-17 15:32:03 <etotheipi_> even if it's just hex encoding the raw the raw ASCII codes and bundling them into an opaque block of base64 or base58, etc
351 2012-12-17 15:32:23 <etotheipi_> well, I'd prefer human readability, but it's not a requirement
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353 2012-12-17 15:32:35 <etotheipi_> the verifying system can display the decoded message
354 2012-12-17 15:33:20 <etotheipi_> but yes, I'd prefer human readability in the block... but I think it *must* be encoded some way that can be transmitted via email
355 2012-12-17 15:33:38 <etotheipi_> regardless of the readability
356 2012-12-17 15:33:49 <upb> what would be the point of base64(hexencode(data))
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358 2012-12-17 15:34:03 <etotheipi_> upb: there isn't one, I mistyped
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365 2012-12-17 15:40:05 <gmaxwell> etotheipi_: readable is a requirement.
366 2012-12-17 15:40:31 <gmaxwell> etotheipi_: "Here, sign this opaque blob"  ... nothing could go wrong. :P
367 2012-12-17 15:40:46 <etotheipi_> gmaxwell: I'm talking about the already signed blob
368 2012-12-17 15:40:55 <stam6> why are you still here?
369 2012-12-17 15:41:34 <gmaxwell> etotheipi_: there are a lot of applications where the signature doesn't need to include the message at all— I think the most frequent use of our signing is for authentication.
370 2012-12-17 15:43:05 <etotheipi_> gmaxwell: that's fine.... I'm not talking so much about authentication as the ability for a user to use their known identity (address they just paid for something with), to sign instructions/confirmation messages
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372 2012-12-17 15:43:24 <Matt_von_Mises> For the new "ultrprune", are there these "undo" files for every single block? I'm guessing they contain references to the transactions for prevOut data, so that unspent output data can be restored. If these are for every single block, I'm struggling to see how this saves much more space than an entire transaction index?
373 2012-12-17 15:44:30 <gmaxwell> Matt_von_Mises: where did you get the idea that the point is to save space??
374 2012-12-17 15:44:43 <Matt_von_Mises> "prune"?
375 2012-12-17 15:45:00 <Matt_von_Mises> What does "prune" mean in this context?
376 2012-12-17 15:45:15 <etotheipi_> sipa: gmaxwell:  I assume you've seen what Armory does already?  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=70911.msg813815#msg813815
377 2012-12-17 15:45:17 <gmaxwell> The coins database has nothing but the current unspent transactions in t.
378 2012-12-17 15:45:48 <etotheipi_> I want to improve that in two ways:  better format for the signature blocks that's more versatile, and a way for someone to request a signature
379 2012-12-17 15:46:24 <Matt_von_Mises> gmaxwell: yes but you still need the references to transactions for reorganisation, which is what the undo files are all about I'm assuming.
380 2012-12-17 15:46:32 <gmaxwell> etotheipi_: two of the three cases you list there don't need the message coming back in the signature.
381 2012-12-17 15:46:57 <gmaxwell> Matt_von_Mises: Yes? and?
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383 2012-12-17 15:47:22 <etotheipi_> gmaxwell: okay... so does that mean that bundling the message shouldn't be part of the spec and we just neglect the 1/3 cases that benefit from it?
384 2012-12-17 15:47:29 <Matt_von_Mises> gmaxwell: I just wanted to make sure I looked at that right. The word "prune" is misleading to me.
385 2012-12-17 15:47:31 <gmaxwell> etotheipi_: I'm not saying that.
386 2012-12-17 15:49:12 <etotheipi_> gmaxwell: sorry, I don't mean to be corrosive, you're just pointing out it's frequently not needed, and I'm pointing out there's no reason not to include it
387 2012-12-17 15:49:17 <sipa> Matt_von_Mises: the reason for the name is that ultraprune originally started as an experiment to see how small the UTXO set could be encoded
388 2012-12-17 15:49:17 <gmaxwell> Matt_von_Mises: It's not— the txoutset is maximally pruned and self sufficient for validation. This means that you can throw away block data before the point you expect to directly handle a reorg, assuming you don't need to serve those blocks to other nodes.
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391 2012-12-17 15:49:31 <gmaxwell> Matt_von_Mises: though ultraprune doesn't do this.
392 2012-12-17 15:49:49 <sipa> Matt_von_Mises: and grew into a new database/validation engine based on a very compactly represented utxo set
393 2012-12-17 15:49:52 <gmaxwell> Matt_von_Mises: the primary pratical improvement it provides today is that it enormously reduces the working set size.
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395 2012-12-17 15:50:19 <Matt_von_Mises> gmaxwell, sipa: What would the risks of using undo files backwards only for so many blocks instead of for the entire chain? In that case if there was a larger reorganisation than there was undo information then the entire block-chain would need to be rescanned.
396 2012-12-17 15:50:33 <gmaxwell> (The design of bitcoin makes pruning and reorg generally incompatible)
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398 2012-12-17 15:51:05 <sipa> Matt_von_Mises: that would work; you can generally delete old block files and old undo files if you're ready for the risk of larger reorgs or rescans of older data
399 2012-12-17 15:51:27 <sipa> Matt_von_Mises: but that's not implemented now, because of the potential risks for the network as a whole if everyone would start pruning
400 2012-12-17 15:52:11 <gmaxwell> Matt_von_Mises: thats fine, but the undo data is small, only about 12% of the block data size.. and only accessed in reorgs.
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402 2012-12-17 15:53:12 <gmaxwell> continuing what sipa said, especially since the p2p protocol currently has no mechenism to handle figuring out what nodes are able to serve which blocks other than the big node network switch.
403 2012-12-17 15:53:19 <Matt_von_Mises> gmaxwell: Yes, 12% is small. It's not much of a saving.
404 2012-12-17 15:53:42 <sipa>  but there is certainly no use in keeping more undo data than you keep block data, for example
405 2012-12-17 15:54:09 <sipa> and one of the advantages of the ultraprune design is that you don't need all block data in the first place, on a regular basis
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407 2012-12-17 15:55:51 <Matt_von_Mises> sipa, gmaxwell: OK, thanks for clarifying.
408 2012-12-17 15:55:55 <sipa> Matt_von_Mises: anyway, i agree the name is confusing now; i've generally started using "the 0.8 engine" or "the 0.8 database layout" instead of ultraprune
409 2012-12-17 15:56:07 <gmaxwell> there is also the possibility of 'compressing' the undo data, so that you could get it from someone else for a reorg.
410 2012-12-17 15:56:26 <etotheipi_> sipa: when do you think 0.8 will become official?
411 2012-12-17 15:56:34 <sipa> when it's ready
412 2012-12-17 15:56:36 <etotheipi_> I have to change around a bit of Armory's loops under the hood
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414 2012-12-17 15:56:42 <sipa> not too soon
415 2012-12-17 15:56:44 <etotheipi_> and I decided I just need to create a new Armory version to handle it
416 2012-12-17 15:57:18 <etotheipi_> is it safe to say I can procrastinate on it for a month?
417 2012-12-17 15:57:49 <gmaxwell> etotheipi_: what do you need to change beyond the path name?
418 2012-12-17 15:58:07 <sipa> gmaxwell: dealing with prealloc
419 2012-12-17 15:58:09 <etotheipi_> gmaxwell: the pre-allocation of the block files is really screwing me up
420 2012-12-17 15:58:16 <etotheipi_> armory detects new blocks based on file size
421 2012-12-17 15:58:27 <gmaxwell> ah.
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423 2012-12-17 15:59:43 <etotheipi_> so yeah, I have to change around some core loops, and I don't feel like trying to branch the logic there...
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425 2012-12-17 16:00:29 <gmaxwell> etotheipi_: will you change to using the rpc for block detection?
426 2012-12-17 16:01:10 <etotheipi_> gmaxwell: no
427 2012-12-17 16:01:16 <etotheipi_> unless I have a very compelling reason
428 2012-12-17 16:01:22 <denisx> I use -blocknotify="killall -USR1 pushpoold"
429 2012-12-17 16:01:55 <jgarzik> etotheipi_: nod -- why not use -blocknotify?
430 2012-12-17 16:01:59 <etotheipi_> there's two good reasons for the way I do it:  (1) Armory doesn't store any block data.  It only stores file pointers to the blk*.dat files, so I gotta find it in the blkfile eventually
431 2012-12-17 16:02:05 <gmaxwell> etotheipi_: well, it also lets you do things like detect when the node has no connections, or when it has detected that the network is broken or unsafe.
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433 2012-12-17 16:02:47 <etotheipi_> (2) It allows for some super-minimal armoryengine scripts... since I can effectively run a blockchain-watching loop without any of the networking
434 2012-12-17 16:03:40 <etotheipi_> while(True):  numNewBlk = readBlkFileUpdate();  if numNewBlk>0:  doSomethingUseful()
435 2012-12-17 16:04:36 <jgarzik> the file mod time shouldn't change outside of block updates
436 2012-12-17 16:04:49 <jgarzik> 0.7 or 0.8
437 2012-12-17 16:04:54 <etotheipi_> true...
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439 2012-12-17 16:05:40 <etotheipi_> I actually already know how to handle it, I just don't want to try to have a dual-purpose core loop... I'd rather just make a new version specifically for 0.8+ and make it avialable with 0.8 is available
440 2012-12-17 16:06:01 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: hopefully you don't miss an update that came too fast.
441 2012-12-17 16:06:41 <jgarzik> I don't see why a 0.8-specific version is needed
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443 2012-12-17 16:06:53 <jgarzik> should be perfectly possible to code for both 0.7 and 0.8
444 2012-12-17 16:06:56 <etotheipi_> jgarzik: it is *possible* to do it
445 2012-12-17 16:07:10 <jgarzik> without any "if (ver=foo)" checks
446 2012-12-17 16:07:13 <etotheipi_> and when I thought it was just blk file names changing
447 2012-12-17 16:07:41 <gmaxwell> Your new code for detection should still work on 0.7, so it's just the names to make 0.7 work with your 0.8 code; no?
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450 2012-12-17 16:08:36 <etotheipi_> gmaxwell: oh, now I get it.... I was thinking about branching code based on version
451 2012-12-17 16:08:51 <etotheipi_> but you're saying it should be easy to modify them to work with 0.8 that also works with 0.7
452 2012-12-17 16:08:57 <etotheipi_> that's probably true
453 2012-12-17 16:10:32 <etotheipi_> sorry jgarzik, I get it now
454 2012-12-17 16:10:51 <etotheipi_> thanks
455 2012-12-17 16:12:18 <jgarzik> Boy, that was easy.  "Click checkbox to indicate that you still agree and comply with the Corporate Code of Conduct, and have reviewed the attached ethics materials."
456 2012-12-17 16:12:33 <jgarzik> no 50-page JavaScript wizard with 10-question course at the end.  <whew>
457 2012-12-17 16:13:12 <gavinandresen> ooh, good idea.  We need a Bitcoin Core Developer Code Of Conduct.  Otherwise, who knows what we'll do?
458 2012-12-17 16:14:13 <jgarzik> boy, that would melt the collective trollbrain
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460 2012-12-17 16:15:30 <sipa> "I hereby declare ...
461 2012-12-17 16:15:35 <sipa> all variables."
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463 2012-12-17 16:16:18 <gavinandresen> "I pledge my honor to do my best, to test my pull requests, to fix bugs quickly..."
464 2012-12-17 16:16:49 <jgarzik> For the curious, we are required to page through 50-100 page online courses, followed by a 10-question [easy] quiz, on: Avoiding Bribery and Corruption: A Global Overview, Corporate Compliance and Ethics Training, Preventing Workplace Harassment.
465 2012-12-17 16:17:10 <jgarzik> The Code of Conduct Certification, a fourth, is thankfully the easy checkbox.
466 2012-12-17 16:17:39 <jgarzik> sipa: guess we have to remove python from the tree then ;p
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469 2012-12-17 16:21:28 <stam7> jgarzik: who is requiring that from you?
470 2012-12-17 16:22:18 <stam7> because for everything that is "required", there has to be someone who does the requiring
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473 2012-12-17 16:23:18 <stam7> oh right, i am not supposed to be answered to
474 2012-12-17 16:23:45 <stam7> being a known troll and all - totally deserving it, of course
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477 2012-12-17 16:25:25 <sipa> gmaxwell, etotheipi_: humam readable signed messages has the risk that people don't validate it at all, like people somehow trust data that is gpg signed by some unknown key
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480 2012-12-17 16:26:29 <gmaxwell> sipa: indeed.  "I was expecting you to sign X, you gave me a valid signature, I'll assume its of X"
481 2012-12-17 16:27:07 <etotheipi_> or really lazy people who just see the correct message in the sig block and assume the sig is probably valid and just accept it anyway...?
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483 2012-12-17 16:27:25 <sipa> i meamt what etotheipi_ sai
484 2012-12-17 16:27:27 <sipa> d
485 2012-12-17 16:28:07 <stam7> and suppose, jgarzik, that you don't do as "required", what happens in that case?
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495 2012-12-17 16:36:53 <etotheipi_> sipa: I am fine without human readability (though I still prefer it)
496 2012-12-17 16:37:20 <etotheipi_> I just want something that has all the necessary data bundled and easy to copy via email
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499 2012-12-17 16:38:20 <etotheipi_> just like a URL... whatever is used to request signatures, would of course request confirmation from the user before signing, and the app would have someway to signal that strange characters are part of what they are signing
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505 2012-12-17 16:43:40 <forgot> it seems the mysterious m_AH i talked about is sha256 midstate :3
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512 2012-12-17 17:11:44 <EdmundF> hellp!
513 2012-12-17 17:12:00 <EdmundF> how do i compile ufasoft cpu miner?
514 2012-12-17 17:13:38 <EdmundF> i got the last one from http://darkgamex.ch/ufasoft/
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516 2012-12-17 17:14:55 <sipa> why do you want a cpu miner in the first place?
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518 2012-12-17 17:16:28 <EdmundF> it's on a server with no GPU
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521 2012-12-17 17:17:32 <sipa> that's far from a reason to run a CPU miner on it
522 2012-12-17 17:17:53 <EdmundF> ._.
523 2012-12-17 17:18:46 <EdmundF> it should be straightforward to compile something...
524 2012-12-17 17:19:15 <sipa> agree, but i don't know anything about ufasoft, and i still wonder why you need a CPU miner :)
525 2012-12-17 17:19:53 <EdmundF> even if i get under 1 mhash/s it's still something i guess
526 2012-12-17 17:20:19 <sipa> that will gain you less than just the *extra* power your server uses because of the miner running
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528 2012-12-17 17:24:57 <EdmundF> argh and now i can't install libpcre3
529 2012-12-17 17:25:13 <EdmundF> i hate linux when it dosn't work...
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539 2012-12-17 17:58:55 <phantomcircuit> sipa, im guessing he doesn't pay for power
540 2012-12-17 17:59:31 <phantomcircuit> i have a cpu miner running on a dedicated box at a certain uk dc that i was trying out
541 2012-12-17 17:59:54 <phantomcircuit> but they kept cutting off network access so im just burning through power until the subscription expires
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544 2012-12-17 18:05:56 <MC1984> the harry potter depicted in this fanfic is an aspie sociopath
545 2012-12-17 18:07:28 <sipa> which? HPMoR?
546 2012-12-17 18:09:14 <MC1984> ye
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548 2012-12-17 18:15:15 <MC1984> the adventures of harry potter starring derren brown as harry potter
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560 2012-12-17 19:02:04 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: These days, if I have an available core or so, I'll run the internal CPU miner on bitcoin/bitcoin.git HEAD
561 2012-12-17 19:02:34 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: Rationale being it is more valuable to test the block building code on HEAD, than earning $0.000001/day from a pool
562 2012-12-17 19:02:38 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, it's cold enough that it's basically a space heater that pays for itself
563 2012-12-17 19:02:49 <phantomcircuit> that's actually a good idea
564 2012-12-17 19:02:55 <phantomcircuit> i'll do that instead
565 2012-12-17 19:02:58 <jgarzik> cool
566 2012-12-17 19:03:13 <jgarzik> ultraprune definitely needs as much testing, especially mining-testing, as possible
567 2012-12-17 19:03:33 * jgarzik has one core mining testnet3, and one core mining mainnet
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571 2012-12-17 19:12:01 <jgarzik> Oh man, this Android /dev/mem thing is just too funny.  https://plus.google.com/105018605612129308043/posts/5PgtN4HgxFX
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588 2012-12-17 19:30:12 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: wait...that was the critical security flaw in samsung phones...wow...you are fucking kidding me
589 2012-12-17 19:31:10 <sipa> "too hard to find exactly which address range ought to be accessible... meh just make it r/w for everyone, everywhere"
590 2012-12-17 19:31:33 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: Software is hard, let's go shopping
591 2012-12-17 19:31:46 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: yea...
592 2012-12-17 19:32:00 <BlueMatt> sipa: some people should be liable for criminal negligence...
593 2012-12-17 19:32:29 <phantomcircuit> lol
594 2012-12-17 19:32:35 <phantomcircuit> install cm
595 2012-12-17 19:32:40 <phantomcircuit> laugh at people being exploited
596 2012-12-17 19:34:04 <jgarzik> BlueMatt: Arjan (seasoned kernel dev) makes that very point... https://plus.google.com/u/0/114657443111661859546/posts/cd5e2ZBhUGK
597 2012-12-17 19:35:20 <sipa> BlueMatt: that's not criminal negligence - it's criminal stupidity
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599 2012-12-17 19:35:32 <BlueMatt> sipa: heh, ok, fair point
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601 2012-12-17 19:36:57 <jgarzik> ;p
602 2012-12-17 19:38:13 <sipa> "nobody will guess a name like '/dev/exynos-mem', right?"
603 2012-12-17 19:39:02 <BlueMatt> the best part is...there is *some* code which the camera uses to determine which mem to access, but there is no way for them to move said code into kernel space and magically make the thing (somewhat) secure...
604 2012-12-17 19:40:30 <sipa> BlueMatt: you don't just move code to the kernel layer, think of all the security risks of running with supervisor permissions!!!
605 2012-12-17 19:40:31 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: then they might be obligated to release that code; god knows how much business they could lose with such important competative secrets made public. :P
606 2012-12-17 19:41:08 <BlueMatt> sipa: oh, good point...you know, they should really consider switching to a microkernel!
607 2012-12-17 19:42:22 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: god, what if htc got a hold of this...it would save them literally minutes of development time, the horror!
608 2012-12-17 19:42:58 <sipa> it would push the entire industry forward to the DOS age!
609 2012-12-17 19:43:04 <gmaxwell> to be fair, there are a billion things they could have done wrong— most of them embarassingly stupid. Even if the are super competent the odds of doing something embarassingly stupid are pretty good.
610 2012-12-17 19:43:29 <BlueMatt> sipa: omg!
611 2012-12-17 19:43:33 <sipa> well, we didn't notice our output randomizer was broken either :S
612 2012-12-17 19:44:09 <jgarzik> "I don't always randomize my bitcoin outputs... but when I do, I do it in a predictable fashion"
613 2012-12-17 19:44:14 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: embarrassingly stupid mistake != deliberate design decision.
614 2012-12-17 19:44:21 <jgarzik> or maybe just "I don't always randomize my bitcoin outputs..."
615 2012-12-17 19:44:28 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: bad decisions are just a kind of mistake.
616 2012-12-17 19:44:45 <gmaxwell> (or even— hiring people who made those kinds of design decisions)
617 2012-12-17 19:44:59 <gmaxwell> (or failing to give them proper review/supervision)
618 2012-12-17 19:45:43 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: ok, fair enough, but it does seem to indicate a failure to have proper code reviews there
619 2012-12-17 19:47:58 <gmaxwell> I mean, fedora shipped stuff that let any user on the system install packages or change the system time, and they introduced these changes without a release note even indicating it (AFAIK). They got bludgeoned somewhat for this but no one was yelling about negligence.  (Both of which probably translate into full root elevation at least in some configurations)
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624 2012-12-17 19:49:56 <phantomcircuit> negligence this negligence that
625 2012-12-17 19:50:04 <kuzetsa> =o.O=
626 2012-12-17 19:50:09 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: fair enough, though in any case it indicates some failure of the review/hiring/individuals system
627 2012-12-17 19:50:24 <phantomcircuit> good luck getting around the huge warning that they assume no liability and the even bigger warning that their software is not fit for purpose
628 2012-12-17 19:50:27 <phantomcircuit> *any purpose*
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630 2012-12-17 19:51:25 <BlueMatt> yea, suing them would be fruitless, still...
631 2012-12-17 19:51:51 <jgarzik> gmaxwell: "Fedora" is just another word for "open beta test" ;p
632 2012-12-17 19:52:04 <jgarzik> not exactly a consumer OS
633 2012-12-17 19:52:09 <phantomcircuit> it would be like trying to sue the devs in here if an exploit in bitcoin was found
634 2012-12-17 19:52:13 <phantomcircuit> youd just lose
635 2012-12-17 19:52:24 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: so is everthing android. :P
636 2012-12-17 19:52:26 * sipa hides in a corner
637 2012-12-17 19:52:45 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: so is pretty much everything...
638 2012-12-17 19:53:09 <sipa> ;;seen ArtForz
639 2012-12-17 19:53:09 <gribble> ArtForz was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 1 year, 26 weeks, 4 days, 21 hours, 23 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <ArtForz> eternal beta. hah, satoshi is secretly a google employee!
640 2012-12-17 19:53:13 <sipa> ^
641 2012-12-17 19:54:03 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit: Almost.  The patent lawyers have figured out you can sue bundlers (the entity that marries hardware and software, then ships it to consumers)
642 2012-12-17 19:54:17 <jgarzik> a lot of patent extortion going on in that area
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644 2012-12-17 19:54:32 <jgarzik> liability lawyers will attack there first
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646 2012-12-17 19:54:50 <BlueMatt> sipa: nice that you know what the last thing Art said was...
647 2012-12-17 19:55:16 <sipa> BlueMatt: someone typed ;;seen ArtForz here less than a day ago :)
648 2012-12-17 19:55:37 <kuzetsa> is this the only bugtracker issue thingy (closed or otherwise) for UPnP? ---> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/114
649 2012-12-17 19:55:45 <BlueMatt> sipa: ah, ok
650 2012-12-17 19:56:15 <sipa> kuzetsa: is there need for another?
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652 2012-12-17 19:56:52 <kuzetsa> sipa: well, there's this --> (quote) Currently the Windows makefile doesn't support any UPnP (some have suggested using Window's native UPnP library instead on Windows)
653 2012-12-17 19:57:28 <sipa> the wibdows makefile is provably outdated in several ways
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655 2012-12-17 19:57:33 <sipa> *probably
656 2012-12-17 19:57:44 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, eh
657 2012-12-17 19:57:50 <BlueMatt> sipa: Id actually go with provably there
658 2012-12-17 19:57:55 <sipa> ha!
659 2012-12-17 19:58:32 <kuzetsa> even on recent versions, enabling UPnP via the bitcoin-qt gui on windows, it is totally a placebo and serves no purpose to enable or disable it.
660 2012-12-17 19:58:41 <BlueMatt> thats not true
661 2012-12-17 19:58:44 <BlueMatt> it should work
662 2012-12-17 19:58:46 <kuzetsa> manually forwarding the ports is the only way to accept inbound cnonnections behind nnat
663 2012-12-17 19:58:48 <kuzetsa> *nat
664 2012-12-17 19:59:04 <BlueMatt> upnp support is absolutely included in bitcoin-qt.exe
665 2012-12-17 19:59:05 <kuzetsa> BlueMatt: I tested it last week
666 2012-12-17 19:59:11 <sipa> if the option is there, it means uono support is compiled in
667 2012-12-17 19:59:18 <BlueMatt> can you provide more info on your setup?
668 2012-12-17 19:59:25 <sipa> that doesn't mean it will work necessarily in your setup
669 2012-12-17 19:59:38 <kuzetsa> on a windows 7 machine on a router that works with other upnp-enabled software
670 2012-12-17 19:59:46 <kuzetsa> ...
671 2012-12-17 19:59:47 <BlueMatt> router model?
672 2012-12-17 20:00:11 <kuzetsa> Netgear WNDR3700 (N600)
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674 2012-12-17 20:02:45 <BlueMatt> can you try testing directly via upnpc?
675 2012-12-17 20:02:48 <BlueMatt> from http://miniupnp.free.fr/files/
676 2012-12-17 20:03:11 <BlueMatt> (we may just need to update miniupnpc in bitcoin)
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679 2012-12-17 20:05:55 <BlueMatt> (and, no, I dont actually know how to use upnpc on windows, probably need to use command prompt)
680 2012-12-17 20:07:00 <phantomcircuit> you need a visual basic gui
681 2012-12-17 20:10:41 <t7> backtrace?
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683 2012-12-17 20:14:31 <kuzetsa> hmm... actually, UPnP support on my WNDR3700 (N600) seems to be working today (I switched over to dd-wrt last week)
684 2012-12-17 20:14:41 <kuzetsa> like for bitcoin-qt I mean
685 2012-12-17 20:14:49 <kuzetsa> yay aftermarket firmware :)
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693 2012-12-17 20:32:12 <BlueMatt> kuzetsa: if you have some free time, Im sure the miniupnpc guys would appreciate a test on the stock firmware that didnt work
694 2012-12-17 20:37:51 <gjs278> kuzetsa what firmware did you install
695 2012-12-17 20:37:58 <gjs278> I have that same router and have been wondering on an alternative
696 2012-12-17 20:38:03 <gjs278> oh
697 2012-12-17 20:38:05 <gjs278> dd-wrt
698 2012-12-17 20:38:06 <gjs278> nvm
699 2012-12-17 20:38:11 <gjs278> have you come across any problems with it?
700 2012-12-17 20:39:13 <MC1984> but upnp is generally awful i heard
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714 2012-12-17 21:10:11 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen, sipa, gmaxwell, jgarzik, TD[gone], others: ok, I think I addressed every protocol-level complaint in bloom filters and updated the pull/bip, now time to troll for acks :)
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718 2012-12-17 21:11:33 <BlueMatt> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1795 and https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BIP_0037
719 2012-12-17 21:13:29 <sipa> BIP 0037 still doesn't mention the tweak
720 2012-12-17 21:13:43 <BlueMatt> shit, sorry
721 2012-12-17 21:13:52 <sipa> :p
722 2012-12-17 21:14:45 <sipa> i think i've read some rationale for the 36000 bytes limit, but can't find it in the BIP
723 2012-12-17 21:15:33 <BlueMatt> it may be in comments only, Ill copy those comments
724 2012-12-17 21:15:58 <sipa> also, the N in the merkleblock structure isn't explained
725 2012-12-17 21:16:09 <gavinandresen> sipa: I'm working on testing the leveldb/Windows issue.  I spent a bunch of time today figuring out how to recompile dependencies on plain mingw (as opposed to cross-compiled mingw)... but eventually got stuck trying to get Makefile.mingw to compile leveldb/
726 2012-12-17 21:16:10 <BlueMatt> it is "20,000 items with fp rate < 0.1% or 10,000 items and <0.0001%"
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728 2012-12-17 21:17:01 <sipa> gavinandresen: thanks for spending time on that; i'm afraid i won't have too much time before christmas
729 2012-12-17 21:17:29 <darkip> I'm trying to calculate network hashrate, but I keep getting incorrect values
730 2012-12-17 21:17:39 <gavinandresen> sipa: ok.  Where/who did you get the latest windows/leveldb stuff from?
731 2012-12-17 21:17:41 <darkip> I'm calculating the hashrate for the blocks in a window for the last day
732 2012-12-17 21:17:48 <sipa> gavinandresen: it's in the commit message
733 2012-12-17 21:17:50 <darkip> then averaging them
734 2012-12-17 21:17:55 <gavinandresen> sipa: cool, thanks
735 2012-12-17 21:18:22 <darkip> can anyone suggest where I might have gone wrong
736 2012-12-17 21:19:11 <sipa> BlueMatt: if you mention anything about the size guarantees, probably best to only do that in the partial merkle tree format section, and have some reference in the messages section for the flags/hashes field saying "See further for details" or so
737 2012-12-17 21:19:26 <darkip> Here's the code I've got: http://pastebin.com/UY80jTRk
738 2012-12-17 21:19:59 <sipa> darkip: sum the difficulties of the blocks found in a period of time, divide by the length of the time window in seconds, multiply by 2^48/65535
739 2012-12-17 21:20:54 <sipa> because a difficulty 1 blocks corresponds to 2^48/65536 hashes
740 2012-12-17 21:21:03 <darkip> or 2^32 :)
741 2012-12-17 21:21:20 <darkip> I understand that's an alternative approach, I'm just curious as to why there way I'm doing it doesn't work
742 2012-12-17 21:21:20 <sipa> eh, /65535
743 2012-12-17 21:21:50 <darkip> 2^48 / 2^16 = 2^32 no?
744 2012-12-17 21:22:21 <sipa> yes, but a difficulty one block corresponds to 2^48/65535 hashes, not to 2^48/65536=2^32 hashes
745 2012-12-17 21:22:49 <sipa> so 4295032833 and not 4294967296
746 2012-12-17 21:22:59 <sipa> unlikely to make a noticeable difference though
747 2012-12-17 21:23:36 <sipa> darkip: and timediff may be negative, while you take the absolute value
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749 2012-12-17 21:24:26 <darkip> doesn't that make sense?
750 2012-12-17 21:24:35 <sipa> so if you have blocks A-B-C, with B after C
751 2012-12-17 21:24:55 <sipa> so the actual interval is A-B with 3 blocks in it
752 2012-12-17 21:25:00 <BlueMatt> sipa: ok, removed mentions of the serialization size limit (its not particularly relevant), added nTweak and rationalized the 36k limit
753 2012-12-17 21:25:39 <sipa> darkip: but you calculate it as |A-B| for one block, plus |C-B| for the second, so you have effectively counted the duration of a certain interval twice
754 2012-12-17 21:25:49 <sipa> darkip: plus, if you average per block you get the wrong weights
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756 2012-12-17 21:26:06 <darkip> is even weighting not acceptable?
757 2012-12-17 21:26:09 <sipa> you need to count hashes per time,  not an average of hashes per time per block
758 2012-12-17 21:26:25 <sipa> so you count very short blocks as too important
759 2012-12-17 21:26:37 <sipa> as they count as much as long blocks in your calculation
760 2012-12-17 21:26:37 <darkip> makes sense
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762 2012-12-17 21:26:56 <darkip> I did it a similar way, but I didn't account for the difficulty in the way you said, so the calculation was off
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765 2012-12-17 21:29:56 <sipa> BlueMatt: BIP looks generally good to me; probably needs more explanation at some points (like examples of a PMT, and examples of things that would and wouldn't match), but i think in actually specified behaviour it is ready
766 2012-12-17 21:30:53 <sipa> i'll try to elaborate the PMT section a bit
767 2012-12-17 21:32:10 <BlueMatt> sipa: thanks, Ill gonna go back and try to get the bitcoinj implementation finished up then
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785 2012-12-17 22:17:20 <phantomcircuit> sipa, i feel like performance improvements in the wallet code that would allow for a much larger keypool would do a lot of good for people
786 2012-12-17 22:17:37 <phantomcircuit> being able to have  a huge key pool really does make backups oh so much easier to handle
787 2012-12-17 22:18:56 <sipa> phantomcircuit: it's mostly lots of transactions tha tis a problem
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789 2012-12-17 22:19:20 <phantomcircuit> sipa, well when you start the client loading a ton of keys from the wallet takes ages
790 2012-12-17 22:19:36 <sipa> yeah, that's just BDB slowness
791 2012-12-17 22:20:10 <sipa> but i don't think there much O(n) code in the number of keys
792 2012-12-17 22:20:29 <sipa> loading them is one
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795 2012-12-17 22:24:11 <phantomcircuit> hmm
796 2012-12-17 22:24:21 <phantomcircuit> possibly the default for keypool should be increased to 1000...
797 2012-12-17 22:24:34 <phantomcircuit> 100 is pretty high but is certainly within the realm of people hitting
798 2012-12-17 22:24:42 <phantomcircuit> 1000 is less likely to be an issue
799 2012-12-17 22:26:14 <sipa> we just need deterministic wallets :)
800 2012-12-17 22:27:29 <flatfly> sipa: how far are they on the roadmap?
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807 2012-12-17 22:35:42 <Scrat> getting all transactions for an address (not in the wallet), how easy is that to impement?
808 2012-12-17 22:35:49 <Scrat> sequencial scan would suck, maybe an index?
809 2012-12-17 22:36:32 <sipa> Scrat: if there was an index, it would be easy, but as you don't need that for normal operation, no such index is kept
810 2012-12-17 22:36:47 <sipa> at least not by the reference client
811 2012-12-17 22:36:55 <sipa> flatfly: whenever someone implements them :)
812 2012-12-17 22:38:19 <Scrat> I wonder what blockchain's setup is
813 2012-12-17 22:38:30 <Scrat> probably a relational db
814 2012-12-17 22:38:39 <Scrat> blockchain.info that is
815 2012-12-17 22:39:44 <sipa> i suppose, yes
816 2012-12-17 22:41:12 <Scrat> can I use listtransactions to traverse the entire chain?
817 2012-12-17 22:41:38 <Scrat> in order to dump it to a mongodb or something
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820 2012-12-17 22:45:59 <gavinandresen> sipa: cross-compiled bitcoind.exe with your leveldb17 branch is still crashing in LogAppendVA / Windows msvcrt.dll vsnprintf... I'll dig in more again tomorrow
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822 2012-12-17 22:46:58 <sipa> Scrat: getrawtransaction and getblock provide access to the raw blockchain
823 2012-12-17 22:47:17 <sipa> Scrat: listtransactions and gettransaction just access your wallet
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825 2012-12-17 22:47:55 <Scrat> sipa: ok
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827 2012-12-17 22:50:06 <sipa> gavinandresen: still in the same place?
828 2012-12-17 22:52:58 <darkip> sipa: still having issues even with your approach, spot any silly mistakes? http://pastebin.com/XaJcpFnU
829 2012-12-17 22:54:14 <sipa> darkip: math.pow(2,48)/65535, not 32
830 2012-12-17 22:54:22 <darkip> ah
831 2012-12-17 22:54:25 <darkip> *facepalm*
832 2012-12-17 22:54:48 <darkip> been programming all day at work, and now after getting home
833 2012-12-17 22:55:09 <sipa> gavinandresen: i'm inclined to just disable logging altogether, but i'd rather find out why it fails
834 2012-12-17 22:56:14 <darkip> sipa: thanks! looks much more reasonable now :)
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839 2012-12-17 23:09:54 <etotheipi_> sipa: is there a way to count the number of entries in a leveldb DB?
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842 2012-12-17 23:18:45 <sipa> etotheipi_: check the API, i dunno
843 2012-12-17 23:19:10 <gavinandresen> sipa: yes, same place, but I still don't have a good debugging environment
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845 2012-12-17 23:20:44 <etotheipi_> sipa: I've looked, that's why I'm asking you
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847 2012-12-17 23:20:59 <etotheipi_> the "detailed" documentation on the leveldb site is pretty basic
848 2012-12-17 23:21:15 <etotheipi_> do you have a better reference?
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850 2012-12-17 23:28:06 <sipa> etotheipi_: the .h files :)
851 2012-12-17 23:30:21 <etotheipi_> gah!
852 2012-12-17 23:31:02 <sipa> they're well documented, and do not contain implementation details
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