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 10 2012-12-21 00:18:18 <sipa> hmm... watching Terminator 3 again
 11 2012-12-21 00:18:27 <sipa> not sure i like decentralized systems anymore :p
 12 2012-12-21 00:18:38 <gmaxwell> hahahah
 13 2012-12-21 00:22:59 <denisx> sipa: lolz
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 15 2012-12-21 00:23:20 <Luke-Jr> LOl
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 24 2012-12-21 00:29:37 <sipa> etotheipi_: not sure you've seen it, but i added a 'compatibility' section to bip32, and splitted the specification in two parts
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 27 2012-12-21 00:30:54 <midnightmagic> zooko: gah brutal blog posting on mtgox. :-/  I don't know why people have so many problems. In all the time I've ever dealt with them, I've basically never had a single issue getting my money out, or putting money in.
 28 2012-12-21 00:31:57 <sipa> same
 29 2012-12-21 00:32:09 <sipa> though it's been a long time since i tried
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 32 2012-12-21 00:32:32 <MC1984> that happens a lot with big companies
 33 2012-12-21 00:33:00 <MC1984> either you have zero problems, or you find yourself descending into a kafkaesque hell
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 37 2012-12-21 00:33:20 <Luke-Jr> midnightmagic: where is mtgox blog? XD
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 45 2012-12-21 00:35:01 <sipa> Luke-Jr: http://blog.archive.org/2012/12/19/i-donated-bitcoins-to-the-internet-archive/
 46 2012-12-21 00:35:31 <sipa> (not a mtgox blog, but it's about mtgox)
 47 2012-12-21 00:35:34 <sipa> and others
 48 2012-12-21 00:37:24 <Luke-Jr> heh
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 51 2012-12-21 00:37:31 <Luke-Jr> I verified my mtgox account just for meh
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 53 2012-12-21 00:39:24 <gmaxwell> I did mine too— it was easy.
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 57 2012-12-21 00:40:18 <Luke-Jr> sipa: http://blog.jurgen.ca/why-you-should-use-gentoo-on-your-servers
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 60 2012-12-21 00:40:43 <phantomcircuit> Luke-Jr, lol
 61 2012-12-21 00:40:53 <phantomcircuit> actually gentoo on servers is pretty good
 62 2012-12-21 00:41:01 <phantomcircuit> server packages dont update that often
 63 2012-12-21 00:41:12 <Luke-Jr> phantomcircuit: Gentoo packages update often. no avoiding it.
 64 2012-12-21 00:41:19 <phantomcircuit> and nothing beats hardened
 65 2012-12-21 00:41:34 <phantomcircuit> you want a crazy locked down system you'll find no better
 66 2012-12-21 00:43:09 <gmaxwell> Does gentoo hardend have proper selinux yet?
 67 2012-12-21 00:43:24 <phantomcircuit> define proper
 68 2012-12-21 00:45:53 <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: as in actual policies for the daemons that confine them?
 69 2012-12-21 00:46:06 <phantomcircuit> yes
 70 2012-12-21 00:46:42 <phantomcircuit> policies can be installed from portage
 71 2012-12-21 00:46:44 <gmaxwell> Cool— it didn't when I'd previously looked but that was a long while ago and it was in the works then.
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 74 2012-12-21 00:47:09 <phantomcircuit> i actually have the intersango hotwallet on a gentoo hardened system running selinux
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 76 2012-12-21 00:47:29 <phantomcircuit> set to enforcing
 77 2012-12-21 00:47:57 <sipa> is there a bitcoin selinux policy?
 78 2012-12-21 00:48:24 <phantomcircuit> no but it's pretty simple
 79 2012-12-21 00:48:42 <phantomcircuit> just allow binding port 8333/8332 and access files tagged as the same user
 80 2012-12-21 00:49:07 <gmaxwell> we need process seperation to have a really good policy—
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 82 2012-12-21 00:49:50 <gmaxwell> a really good policy would give the network part of bitcoin access to nothing but the network, logs, and blockchain. so even owning completely it couldn't get you the wallet.
 83 2012-12-21 00:50:00 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, the gold standard is mls
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 85 2012-12-21 00:50:08 <phantomcircuit> but lets be honest that's a huge pain in the ass
 86 2012-12-21 00:50:17 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: is there a good article explaining why "brain wallets" and firstbits are bad?
 87 2012-12-21 00:50:34 <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: e.g. in fedora many processes are restricted from accessing .ssh (which has a different security label from the rest of the home)
 88 2012-12-21 00:51:57 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: I got most of the way done with writing one on brainwallets but I've still not found a way of presenting the argument that actually changes minds.
 89 2012-12-21 00:52:07 <Luke-Jr> :<
 90 2012-12-21 00:52:44 <gmaxwell> Firstbits is kinda a non-starter... it's throughly pruning incompatible. So even if you ignore the extreme typosquatting risk and the key reuse issues.. and the fact that most of the good sequences are already taken... it's kinda a non-starter.
 91 2012-12-21 00:53:26 <phantomcircuit> the people already using it dont care about any of that
 92 2012-12-21 00:53:27 <gmaxwell> I can argue the brain wallet thing where all the people who started out agreeing nod their heads and all the people who thought they were great when used by smart people like them still do.
 93 2012-12-21 00:53:55 <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: well it means you have to depend on some service to keep the directory for you and it might as well just do $whatever.
 94 2012-12-21 00:54:53 <gmaxwell> The core counter argument to the security stuff seems to be 'well I haven't heard of anyone getting robbed' ... and when you point to a case it's 'oh well they were stupid'
 95 2012-12-21 00:55:08 <phantomcircuit> whats the problem with brain wallets other than reduced entropy and you can forget them?
 96 2012-12-21 00:55:22 <sipa> people are horrible entropy-estimating devices
 97 2012-12-21 00:55:40 <sipa> the problem is not low entropy, but the fact that people aren't aware of it
 98 2012-12-21 00:55:54 <gmaxwell> ^ that.  or worse, their efforts to be high entroy have the opposite effect.
 99 2012-12-21 00:56:23 <sipa> "Nobody will ever think about 'passwordpasswordpassword'!"
100 2012-12-21 00:56:58 <phantomcircuit> i thought they were 5 random dictionary words that you memorized
101 2012-12-21 00:57:11 <gmaxwell> Also, we teach people about security models like websites where the attacker might only be able to do a small number of attempts per second and attack a single user at a time,  vs a private key where an attacker attaks all users with almost O(1) work, and can go as fast as he has computing power for.. and can even save tables to attack future users.
102 2012-12-21 00:57:48 <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: what electrum does is fine— it gives you 12 words from a dictionary big enough to give you 128 bits. But what a lot of people are doing is just coming up with words.
103 2012-12-21 00:58:21 <gmaxwell> (because thats what e.g. brainwallet.org does— just gives you a box to type in whatever you like— for example)
104 2012-12-21 00:59:20 <gmaxwell> I can only imagine that when mining FPGAs become cheap someone's going to buy up a bunch of them and start building address rainbowtables.
105 2012-12-21 01:02:13 <gmaxwell> In any case, it seems really really hard to convince people that they're bad sources of entropy. And hard to get them to appreciate how fast fast searching can be.
106 2012-12-21 01:07:28 <gavinandresen> Very interesting: the "Your computer is broken" section of this blog post: http://www.codeofhonor.com/blog/whose-bug-is-this-anyway
107 2012-12-21 01:09:44 <gmaxwell> I've seen people lament "Windows quality hardware" especially at the peak of windows' buggyness a number of years ago, if the normal customer base for a piece of hardware is running software that crashes daily anyways, there is little incentive to provide hardware that crashes less often whan once a week.
108 2012-12-21 01:11:31 <gmaxwell> gavinandresen: while fuzzing bitcoin, even with most of the block validity checks disabled we still reliably reject chains even with bit error rates of under one in 5 to 10 million. We're a lot more obviously sensitive to misbehavior than most software.
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112 2012-12-21 01:12:27 <gavinandresen> the idea of detecting that people are running on subtly broken hardware, and then telling them "by the way, your computer is broken" is appealing.  Or at least writing a "this computer is broken" to debug.log so we know that blockchain corruption (or whatever) bug reports are likely not our fault
113 2012-12-21 01:13:35 <gmaxwell> I'm really concerned about all the blockchain corruption I'm seeing reported. I think BDB is failing on people at an increased rate but I don't know why. The ones I've investigated clearly have incorrect block indexes.
114 2012-12-21 01:15:05 <gavinandresen> agreed.  Would be good to know if it is just sucky hard drives combined with a few gigabytes of data that must be exactly right (as opposed to a few gigabytes of a movie where an MPEG decoding error gets ignored)
115 2012-12-21 01:15:20 <gavinandresen> ... or real bugs
116 2012-12-21 01:15:27 <gmaxwell> issues with keys just not being in the index are hard to detect as broken computers— hashes not valdating off disk would be easy however.
117 2012-12-21 01:16:01 <gmaxwell> I note that leveldb's checks make it fail cleanly right now, but nothing gets obviously emitted that a checksum failed.
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120 2012-12-21 01:18:26 <gmaxwell> at some point we may need to replace our malloc to deal with the fragementation problems, (tcmalloc and jemalloc both pretty much solve our fragmentation behavior).. if we do we could put in one that tests all newly acquired memory.
121 2012-12-21 01:19:15 <gavinandresen> testing memory would be good.  Testing memory and disk would be great (although we'd have to be careful not to wear out SSD's....)
122 2012-12-21 01:20:28 <sipa> "Installig Bitcoin..." "Rebooting into 48-hour memtest86" ...
123 2012-12-21 01:20:31 <gmaxwell> make the leveldb crc stuff actually produce useful errors may be almost as good as actually testing the disk... probably that with background spot checking of the data.. perhaps.
124 2012-12-21 01:22:11 <gmaxwell> heh. well just taking every new page that gets sbrked and writing a pattern and checking it should probably have basically no performance impact at least under allocators that make a concerted effort to reuse memory.
125 2012-12-21 01:22:48 <sipa> utxo merkle root in coinbase stuff (or even not in coinbase) could be a very good way to improve reliability
126 2012-12-21 01:23:06 <sipa> as it alliws for near-certain validation of your local db
127 2012-12-21 01:23:37 <gmaxwell> sipa: if we just save it locally, rolling back the last N blocks and checking the root would be pretty good.
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129 2012-12-21 01:24:01 <gmaxwell> The one insance I had of utxo corruption was easily detectable against the past few blocks.
130 2012-12-21 01:24:52 <gmaxwell> The IBD process gives the host a pretty useful workout too.
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134 2012-12-21 01:34:14 <sipa> we should urge people to use windings for representing bitcoin addresses
135 2012-12-21 01:34:28 <sipa> it would instantly kill all vanity purposes :p
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146 2012-12-21 01:52:07 <sipa> 265 non-canonical transactions in the last 50000 i've seen on the network
147 2012-12-21 01:52:28 <sipa> wizkid057: what was the result of your benchmarking the hal/par code, actually?
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150 2012-12-21 01:54:39 <wizkid057> sipa: took roughly 2.5 hours with your patches from 0 to current, via -connect
151 2012-12-21 01:55:28 <gmaxwell> slower than I expected.
152 2012-12-21 01:55:32 <sipa> have any debug.log output left (especially of the part after 210k) ?
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155 2012-12-21 01:56:02 <wizkid057> hm
156 2012-12-21 01:56:04 <wizkid057> maybe
157 2012-12-21 01:56:07 <wizkid057> its been running a while now
158 2012-12-21 01:56:07 <wizkid057> lol
159 2012-12-21 01:57:50 <wizkid057> sipa: heres a snippet http://pastebin.com/y9cA17jH
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162 2012-12-21 02:16:22 <MC1984> does it say processblock accepted before or after processing a block
163 2012-12-21 02:17:02 <sipa> after
164 2012-12-21 02:20:24 <MC1984> thought so
165 2012-12-21 02:20:59 <MC1984> sometimes i wish the logs of seperate functions were demarcated more clearly in the file
166 2012-12-21 02:21:12 <MC1984> line break or dashes or whatever
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260 2012-12-21 04:56:41 <etotheipi_> am I hallucinating, or did github stop supporting downloads?  I can't get to the page except via direct URL and I can't add an yfiles
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266 2012-12-21 05:03:42 <etotheipi_> SOB: https://github.com/blog/1302-goodbye-uploads
267 2012-12-21 05:07:27 <MC1984> shit
268 2012-12-21 05:07:45 <MC1984> WELP BACK TO SOURCEFORGE
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346 2012-12-21 07:03:03 <stealth222> If I've already forked the bitcoin integration/staging tree and started working on something on the master branch but want to rename my local branch to something else while keeping the master branch in sync with the integration/staging tree, how do I do it?
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349 2012-12-21 07:17:11 <forrestv> stealth222, first, make sure everything is committed, then: git branch my_own_branch && git reset --hard HEAD^ && git checkout my_own_branch
350 2012-12-21 07:17:28 <forrestv> if you have more than one of your own commits, add as many "^"s as you have commits
351 2012-12-21 07:18:53 <jgarzik> stealth222: well, renaming a branch from A to B is simply
352 2012-12-21 07:18:58 <jgarzik> git branch -m old_name new_name
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354 2012-12-21 07:19:19 <stealth222> I want to be able to move between my branches and the original commit I forked from easily
355 2012-12-21 07:19:33 <jgarzik> if you committed to master branch, then perhaps
356 2012-12-21 07:20:09 <jgarzik> git branch -m master side_branch ; git branch 6940626d08e313c5e1cd99c63aeca9da45d5b7a4 master
357 2012-12-21 07:20:28 <jgarzik> (where 6940626d08e313c5e1cd99c63aeca9da45d5b7a4 is a base commit in the commit tree)
358 2012-12-21 07:20:50 <Luke-Jr> jgarzik: won't that move the tracking of the branch too?
359 2012-12-21 07:21:05 <jgarzik> there is also a command that reset master -> remote/master, which I forgot
360 2012-12-21 07:21:13 <Luke-Jr> I'd personally do it forrestv's way :P
361 2012-12-21 07:21:59 <Luke-Jr> jgarzik: any thoughts on brainwallets and firstbits?
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364 2012-12-21 07:23:42 <jgarzik> Luke-Jr: pick a good password
365 2012-12-21 07:23:56 <stealth222> then if I want to completely overwrite a repo I have with my new local copy?
366 2012-12-21 07:24:00 <Luke-Jr> jgarzik: (I sent you an invite btw)
367 2012-12-21 07:24:00 <stealth222> including all branches?
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369 2012-12-21 07:24:13 <stealth222> a remote repo
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372 2012-12-21 07:32:36 <stealth222> just add push lines in the config file?
373 2012-12-21 07:32:43 <stealth222> and use the -f option?
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383 2012-12-21 07:55:36 <stealth222> I had an open pull request - I updated my branches and forced a push and now my pull request seems to be gone
384 2012-12-21 07:55:49 <stealth222> on github
385 2012-12-21 07:56:00 <stealth222> do I need to create a new one?
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388 2012-12-21 07:56:41 <stealth222> and are all the comments in the old one deleted?
389 2012-12-21 07:57:23 <stealth222> oh, wait - it was just closed
390 2012-12-21 07:57:52 <stealth222> derp - I want to reopen it but using the new branch I created
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480 2012-12-21 11:27:23 <pere> hi.  I'm trying to build bitcoin-qt without UPNP support, but when I run qmake I do not get the expected output.  Why is UPNP reported twice, once without and once with?  <URL: http://paste.debian.net/217970/ > show the confusing output.  When I try to build it, I end up with -DUPSE_UPNP=0, which is not what I expected.
481 2012-12-21 11:28:00 <sipa> USE_UPNP=0 means upnp support is compiled in, but disabled by default
482 2012-12-21 11:28:20 <sipa> use -DUSE_UPNP=- if you want to build without
483 2012-12-21 11:28:29 <pere> sipa: did you look at the URL?
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485 2012-12-21 11:29:57 <sipa> doesn't load (mobile connection on train)
486 2012-12-21 11:30:16 <pere> sipa: I did pass USE_UPNP=- to qmake, but it didn't stick. :)
487 2012-12-21 11:30:34 <sipa> hmm?
488 2012-12-21 11:30:57 <pere> and qmake report that the feature is both disabled and enabled...
489 2012-12-21 11:31:01 <sipa> oh, that message
490 2012-12-21 11:31:09 <sipa> yes that's a bug
491 2012-12-21 11:31:15 <sipa> don't worry about it
492 2012-12-21 11:31:35 <pere> I'm not worrying about the message, I am worrying about the fact that the setting do not work.
493 2012-12-21 11:32:11 <sipa> iit works fine here, even with that message
494 2012-12-21 11:32:22 <pere> the only way I could get the build to work properly is by commenting out the entire else block.
495 2012-12-21 11:32:50 <pere> sipa: do you have the -lminiupnpc library installed?  I do not, and the linker fail because it is missing.
496 2012-12-21 11:35:57 <sipa> on some systems i don't have it
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563 2012-12-21 15:18:47 <topace> anyone know of a neat  bitcoin/blockchain visualizer?  i want something running in the office lobby
564 2012-12-21 15:18:58 <topace> that'll make people stop and gaze
565 2012-12-21 15:19:08 <topace> preferably 3D
566 2012-12-21 15:19:21 <topace> and that doesnt need interaction
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569 2012-12-21 15:24:04 <helo> not 3d, but http://bitcoinmonitor.com/
570 2012-12-21 15:24:43 <helo> i don't think blockchain activity is well suited for 3d visualization
571 2012-12-21 15:25:38 <helo> i would be interested to see the oldest coin that is moved each day
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573 2012-12-21 15:25:58 <helo> week, month, year
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575 2012-12-21 15:36:28 <topace> yea bitcoinmonitor isnt very sexxy
576 2012-12-21 15:36:37 <topace> especially with the ads on the page
577 2012-12-21 15:37:01 <SomeoneWeird> check iseecoins
578 2012-12-21 15:37:12 <SomeoneWeird> http://iseecoins.org/
579 2012-12-21 15:37:18 <topace> right now the lobby machine is running gl_tail to tail the common apache access  log file for the 600+ websites we bost
580 2012-12-21 15:37:20 <topace> host
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583 2012-12-21 15:39:27 <helo> topace: you can use the browser (ctrl +) to zoom in on the interesting part
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587 2012-12-21 16:00:27 <sipa> gavinandresen: hmm, a binary linked with dbghelp worked fine on my win7 system with no dev environment whatsoever
588 2012-12-21 16:00:40 <sipa> gavinandresen: strange that you could avoid it, but i hardly understand everything
589 2012-12-21 16:01:05 <gmaxwell> Hm. I have a hang on shutdown with the remaining thread stuck in the destructor for the signature cache waiting on the cs_sigcache mutex.
590 2012-12-21 16:01:23 <sipa> gavinandresen: what code/branch?
591 2012-12-21 16:01:30 <sipa> eh, gmaxwell
592 2012-12-21 16:01:50 <sipa> gavinandresen: no more problems with Logv?
593 2012-12-21 16:01:59 <gavinandresen> sipa: mmmm... I just worry about depending on something named 'debug help', maybe it is part of windows(or maybe that pragma is linking statically?)
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595 2012-12-21 16:02:10 <gavinandresen> in any case, I think avoiding mingw64 is a good idea
596 2012-12-21 16:02:27 <sipa> sure, if it works with mingw32, perfectly
597 2012-12-21 16:02:50 <gavinandresen> hopefully I'll be able to test that very soon
598 2012-12-21 16:02:59 <sipa> we'll need mingw64 anyway for gitian i think, as the mingw32 on ubuntu is outdated
599 2012-12-21 16:05:04 <gavinandresen> do you remember why we need a newer mingw32?
600 2012-12-21 16:05:50 <sipa> c++0x support
601 2012-12-21 16:06:35 <sipa> and also because in the older mingw32 i didn't have dbghelp, but you may have solved that now
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603 2012-12-21 16:12:55 <gmaxwell> sipa: so, the mutex hang seems to be reproducable at a rate of 1:100 of my test runs.
604 2012-12-21 16:13:41 <sipa> gmaxwell: which code?
605 2012-12-21 16:14:01 <gavinandresen> sipa: I compiled without c++0x support by replacing 'nullptr' with NULL ...
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607 2012-12-21 16:14:38 <sipa> gavinandresen: right, i did that as well, but then i hit the dbghelp problem
608 2012-12-21 16:14:46 <gmaxwell> master as of a couple days ago, plus hal, plus current par (which is what puts a mutex into the sig cache),  plus a patch that disables the hash checks on the block.
609 2012-12-21 16:15:13 <gmaxwell> trigger must be some kind of race, since it doesn't reproduce every time on the same blockchain.
610 2012-12-21 16:15:15 <sipa> gavinandresen: though it may rely on move semantics too, which doesn't necessarily show in the code
611 2012-12-21 16:15:24 <gavinandresen> sipa: move semantics?
612 2012-12-21 16:15:44 <sipa> gavinandresen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%2B%2B11#Rvalue_references_and_move_constructors
613 2012-12-21 16:15:45 <gmaxwell> didn't see it while running in valgrind, though I suppose thats no shocker.
614 2012-12-21 16:16:32 <sipa> gavinandresen: still, i think upgrading to a newer gcc is nice, unless there are clear problems obviously
615 2012-12-21 16:17:13 <gavinandresen> sipa: I'm worried about making an even bigger barrier for gitian builders-- if you have to build-vm twice, that's more work, more stuff to go wrong....
616 2012-12-21 16:17:34 <gavinandresen> sipa:  I agree that upgrading to a newer gcc IS nice, though
617 2012-12-21 16:17:40 <sipa> gavinandresen: we have 3 people right now who do gitian builds; it can't get much worse, right?
618 2012-12-21 16:18:21 <gavinandresen> right-- but every time we change dependencies it is painful
619 2012-12-21 16:18:55 <sipa> you already have to do build-vm twice, btw; it now becomes 3 times :p
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621 2012-12-21 16:19:44 <sipa> anyway, i don't have a problem with delaying upgrading to a newer env if there's a good reason
622 2012-12-21 16:20:09 <sipa> if building new leveldb works on lucid win32... fine
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624 2012-12-21 16:25:03 <sipa> gavinandresen: maybe having a git repo with my build script + subrepositories that refer to gitian and bitcoin master would make it easier to get into gitian building
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626 2012-12-21 16:25:48 <gavinandresen> sipa: good idea.
627 2012-12-21 16:26:34 <sipa> if it'd also download dependencies automatically it would be even nicer, but that's somewhat fishy already i suppose
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629 2012-12-21 16:26:48 <sipa> at least unless checksum verification of those files
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636 2012-12-21 16:30:34 <gavinandresen> sigh... one of my mingw32 dependencies was built with the wrong compiler, linking fails...
637 2012-12-21 16:33:00 <D34TH> gavinandresen, i've come to the conclusion that leveldb+mingw=no
638 2012-12-21 16:33:17 * gavinandresen is an idiot.. used mingw64-deps on a mingw32 machine
639 2012-12-21 16:33:41 <gavinandresen> D34TH: I still have faith dogged persistence will pay off for me
640 2012-12-21 16:34:01 <D34TH> gavinandresen, ive come to a code error i have no idea how to fix
641 2012-12-21 16:34:43 <gavinandresen> D34TH: see https://gist.github.com/4353422  for my work so far...
642 2012-12-21 16:35:07 <gavinandresen> D34TH: ... although I'm working through more changes to eliminate the c++0x support right now
643 2012-12-21 16:35:20 <D34TH> i had to use gnu++0x
644 2012-12-21 16:35:22 <gavinandresen> D34TH: that's a patch against sipa's leveldb17 branch
645 2012-12-21 16:35:43 <sipa> gavinandresen: there's still an -ldbghelp in your patch
646 2012-12-21 16:36:00 <gavinandresen> sipa: yes, I changed that about 10 minutes ago
647 2012-12-21 16:36:12 <sipa> gavinandresen: are you now building on windows, or in linux-mingw?
648 2012-12-21 16:36:39 <gavinandresen> I'm building on windows, makefile.mingw variant that compiled -g -ggdb to get a debugging environment
649 2012-12-21 16:36:58 <sipa> ok
650 2012-12-21 16:37:11 <gavinandresen> Once that is working nicely, I plan on getting the cross-compile working and tested
651 2012-12-21 16:37:30 <sipa> thanks for that - it was driving me nuts :)
652 2012-12-21 16:38:23 <gavinandresen> I, too, can only tolerate this kind of thing for a couple of days before I go nuts.... tag-team development for the win!
653 2012-12-21 16:38:43 <sipa> you probably want to disable CROSSCOMPILE for the windows build case
654 2012-12-21 16:39:15 <sipa> though i think that just disables some automated tests
655 2012-12-21 16:39:41 <gavinandresen> yes, doesn't seem to make a difference for me
656 2012-12-21 16:39:44 <sipa> ok
657 2012-12-21 16:40:13 <gavinandresen> (running tests is a good idea, though....)
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659 2012-12-21 16:50:29 <Davey> how do i get secret key for mtgox api
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662 2012-12-21 17:05:59 <gavinandresen> it's ALIVE!
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664 2012-12-21 17:07:40 <gavinandresen> wait... no, it is hung...
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666 2012-12-21 17:09:12 <sipa> gavinandresen: sure that is the fault of the program and not the OS?
667 2012-12-21 17:09:30 <gavinandresen> sipa: I'll debug after lunch and errands
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676 2012-12-21 17:40:42 <Davey> can anyone tell me how to get secret for mtgox bot authentication
677 2012-12-21 17:41:28 <Graet> #mtgox might be able to
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714 2012-12-21 19:28:02 <gavinandresen> sipa: I've got a good mingw32 debugging environment, and recreated the bug.  _vsnprintf is crashing when parsing the "%lld". I wrote a little code to translate to %I64d, which mingw/Windows likes much better
715 2012-12-21 19:28:55 <gavinandresen> sipa: I'll clean up my changes, and see if cross-compiling still works
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717 2012-12-21 19:31:47 <sipa> nice find
718 2012-12-21 19:31:50 <sipa> !
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728 2012-12-21 20:18:29 <gavinandresen> sipa: https://github.com/gavinandresen/bitcoin-git/commit/eb0ecd2192aecebe32923a39902b12945ff39167
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731 2012-12-21 20:19:07 <gavinandresen> sipa: I haven't had a chance to test cross-compiling with that yet
732 2012-12-21 20:20:27 <gavinandresen> sipa: I'll be back later to do that-- I expect makefile.linux-mingw needs some changes
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734 2012-12-21 20:23:00 <sipa> gavinandresen: just no -ldbghelp i guess
735 2012-12-21 20:23:15 <gavinandresen> mmm
736 2012-12-21 20:24:04 <sipa> unless you want linux-mingw to use mingw32 again instead of mingw-w64
737 2012-12-21 20:25:17 <sipa> it makes sense though... i had no problem running my cross-compiled leveldb17 binary on Win7, but you did on WinXP... if %ll is supported in more recent version
738 2012-12-21 20:25:54 <sipa> wizkid057: is that par/hal bitcoind still running?
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740 2012-12-21 20:28:52 <gmaxwell> interesting— still can get the shutdown hang with -maxsigcachesize=0
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742 2012-12-21 20:37:08 <EasyAt_> Hey gmaxwell, in your post about deterministic wallets.  What is the difference between a change address and displayed address?
743 2012-12-21 20:37:12 <EasyAt_> Why would a type matter
744 2012-12-21 20:40:45 <gmaxwell> EasyAt_: so you an tell them apart when reconstructing a wallet— e.g. you don't show your own payments to change addresses as seperate transactions.
745 2012-12-21 20:45:55 <EasyAt_> Ah, thank you!
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751 2012-12-21 21:05:40 <Luke-Jr> gavinandresen: re that commit's comments… do new versions of Windows support %ll finally? :O
752 2012-12-21 21:06:30 <gavinandresen> Luke-Jr: I guess. I dunno, the only version of Windows I have is XP SP3
753 2012-12-21 21:07:06 <Luke-Jr> i c
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765 2012-12-21 22:00:48 <TD> BlueMatt: heya
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774 2012-12-21 22:23:23 <thesnark> Hi all. I have a simple question - can more than one person get the same response for a GetWork request? Do people compete for the same blocks?
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780 2012-12-21 22:36:44 <D34TH> thesnark, yes
781 2012-12-21 22:37:07 <kjj> erm.
782 2012-12-21 22:38:12 <gmaxwell> D34TH: please don't confuse people.
783 2012-12-21 22:38:25 <gmaxwell> Getworks are universally unique unless software is broken.
784 2012-12-21 22:38:28 <kjj> each node uses their own pubkey for the generate transaction, and the reference client keeps track of the number of requests and increments a counter in the coinbase called extranonce
785 2012-12-21 22:39:08 <kjj> so, you could use a proxy to provide the same work to multiple miners, which would be really, really silly.  but each direct getrequest will have a unique output
786 2012-12-21 22:39:09 <D34TH> gmaxwell, i probably misunderstood sorry
787 2012-12-21 22:40:10 <kjj> and the whole world is competing to find the next valid block, but the blocks they find are unique for reasons given above
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789 2012-12-21 22:40:46 <kjj> so, the problem was really ambiguity in the notion of "same blocks"
790 2012-12-21 22:41:09 * thesnark is a noob
791 2012-12-21 22:41:31 <kjj> nothing wrong with being a noob.  everyone is or was once.
792 2012-12-21 22:42:16 <kjj> did my answer make sense to you?
793 2012-12-21 22:42:49 <thesnark> So everybody competes for the same solution, but nobody is assigned the same work?
794 2012-12-21 22:42:59 * thesnark scratches head
795 2012-12-21 22:43:28 <thesnark> no
796 2012-12-21 22:44:39 <thesnark> everyone is assigned different work, however if anybody can provide a solution they will "win" credit for it
797 2012-12-21 22:45:08 <thesnark> so if I solve my neighbor's work I still get that credit...but knowing what my neighbor's work is is very difficult?
798 2012-12-21 22:47:41 <kjj> if you solver someone else's work, their address gets the credit
799 2012-12-21 22:47:44 <kjj> er, solve
800 2012-12-21 22:48:07 <thesnark> kjj I see. So mining is basically non-competitive?
801 2012-12-21 22:48:18 <kjj> the reward goes to the key (address) specified when the work is created, and can't be changed without invaliding the block candidate
802 2012-12-21 22:48:25 <kjj> no, it is totally competitive
803 2012-12-21 22:48:26 <thesnark> I see
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808 2012-12-21 22:57:47 <etotheipi_> sipa: good news:  my CKD matches yours
809 2012-12-21 22:58:01 <etotheipi_> all the way up to m/0/1/3/7/15/31/63/127/255/511/1023/2047/4095/8191/16383/32767
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814 2012-12-21 23:05:13 <wizkid057> sipa: yes, it should be
815 2012-12-21 23:05:30 <wizkid057> yeah, it is
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817 2012-12-21 23:06:55 <gavinandresen> sipa: https://github.com/gavinandresen/bitcoin-git/commits/mingw32fixes rebased with a fix to makefile.linux-mingw. Cross-compile works
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819 2012-12-21 23:07:25 <gavinandresen> ... and now I've got to disappear.  Happy solstice everybody!  And Merry Christmas... I'll be mostly away until the 26'th.
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821 2012-12-21 23:09:03 <galambo> oh no the world is ending
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841 2012-12-21 23:22:11 <robocoin> hi, whort question regarding bitcoind. When I 'bitcoind getbalance', I'll see currently confirmed balance. In Bitcoind-Qt I can also see the currently unconfirmed amounts. - > Can I call this value (received but unconfirmed) from bitcoind? - without writing a function. I have not found it in the documentation :(
842 2012-12-21 23:22:18 <robocoin> *short
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844 2012-12-21 23:23:41 <Scrat> robocoin: getreceivedbyaccount account 0
845 2012-12-21 23:23:48 <Scrat> this is just received (NOT BALANCE)
846 2012-12-21 23:24:14 <robocoin> Scrat, but it also sums already spend amounts.
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849 2012-12-21 23:25:21 <robocoin> but I could (getreceivedbyaccount * - getbalance).. But if the bitcoind already does it, I thought I could avoid using a function
850 2012-12-21 23:25:25 <Scrat> try getbalance "" 0
851 2012-12-21 23:26:18 <robocoin> Scrat, thank you!
852 2012-12-21 23:26:42 <Scrat> I misread your question ;/
853 2012-12-21 23:26:52 <robocoin> Scrat, thx
854 2012-12-21 23:29:04 <MC1984> the foundation only accepts coins right
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