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 18 2012-12-23 01:05:54 <gmaxwell> sipa: diapolo's patch removed the CheckDiskSpace from accept block. It _only_ checks at start and when it grows preallocations now.
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 20 2012-12-23 01:07:00 <gmaxwell> and so it can happily completely run out of space and apparently leveldb can become unrecoverably corrupted in that case (which is somewhat problematic regardless of when we CheckDiskSpace since there is still a race there)
 21 2012-12-23 01:08:03 <rdymac> the blockchain file size is already at 5.6 GB?
 22 2012-12-23 01:09:00 <gmaxwell> rdymac: no, it's about 4.2 GiB.
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 24 2012-12-23 01:10:34 <rdymac> pruned should be less?
 25 2012-12-23 01:10:40 <rdymac> or it doesn't affect the size?
 26 2012-12-23 01:11:04 <gmaxwell> rdymac: What are you talking about with respect to pruned?
 27 2012-12-23 01:12:23 <gmaxwell> (I'm trying to determine if you're confused and believe that we have implemented blockchain pruning)
 28 2012-12-23 01:12:25 <rdymac> in the 0.8 coming version the blockchain file size will be smaller? Or it just will be faster
 29 2012-12-23 01:12:32 <gmaxwell> No. It will just be faster.
 30 2012-12-23 01:13:19 <gmaxwell> much much faster— as it doesn't use the blockchain for validating new blocks— only for serving to other peers and reorganizing the chain.
 31 2012-12-23 01:13:21 <rdymac> wouldn't the size be a problem soon?
 32 2012-12-23 01:13:37 <gmaxwell> rdymac: why would it?
 33 2012-12-23 01:13:58 <phantomcircuit> rdymac, even at the maximum blocksize it wont be a serious issue for a very long time
 34 2012-12-23 01:13:58 <rdymac> 128GB SSD?
 35 2012-12-23 01:14:15 <phantomcircuit> and almost certainly disk space will drop in price faster than the blockchain grows in size
 36 2012-12-23 01:14:33 <rdymac> good point
 37 2012-12-23 01:14:41 <gmaxwell> rdymac: thats very small media by current standards, and sort of odd to store archival data on a slc ssd..., but even there— do the math. It's not much of a concern.
 38 2012-12-23 01:15:27 <MC1984> are 6tb disks out yet?
 39 2012-12-23 01:15:49 <rdymac> ok - if it doesn't use the blockchain to validate new blocks, what's the method then?
 40 2012-12-23 01:15:59 <rdymac> 3TB
 41 2012-12-23 01:16:09 <gmaxwell> there are 4tb drives.
 42 2012-12-23 01:16:23 <rdymac> 4*
 43 2012-12-23 01:16:35 <phantomcircuit> the 3TB drives are the best $/GB currently
 44 2012-12-23 01:16:38 <rdymac> even Hybrid
 45 2012-12-23 01:16:58 <gmaxwell> rdymac: it uses a 'coins' database, which is a structure with all the spendable txouts. It's whats left if you throughly prune a blockchain as tightly as possible and pack the results.
 46 2012-12-23 01:16:58 <phantomcircuit> either way you're talking like $2 to store the entire blockchain
 47 2012-12-23 01:17:28 <sipa> gmaxwell: aha, interesting
 48 2012-12-23 01:17:29 <gmaxwell> Right now that structure is 125MBytes, though its growing a fair bit because of the never-getting-spent 1e-8 txouts being produced by SD.
 49 2012-12-23 01:18:02 <gmaxwell> sipa: I'm glad to have found a real bug. I've had bad testing luck this month! :P
 50 2012-12-23 01:18:19 <sipa> gmaxwell: that check should be added before the flush when the cache size is extended
 51 2012-12-23 01:18:54 <sipa> you can calculate how much it can grow basrd on the cache size settings
 52 2012-12-23 01:19:08 <sipa> *exceeded
 53 2012-12-23 01:19:59 <gmaxwell> it should have a couple other checks too. e.g. log writing should probably check every N seconds too.
 54 2012-12-23 01:20:24 <MC1984> only 4tb
 55 2012-12-23 01:20:31 <MC1984> seems like weve been stuck around there forever
 56 2012-12-23 01:20:32 <gmaxwell> MC1984: … in a single disk.
 57 2012-12-23 01:20:53 <sipa> gmaxwell: debug.log writing you mean?
 58 2012-12-23 01:21:10 <MC1984> yeah single disk
 59 2012-12-23 01:21:13 <MC1984> so what
 60 2012-12-23 01:21:22 <gmaxwell> sipa: correct.
 61 2012-12-23 01:21:36 <MC1984> theyve should be over 1tb per platter by now
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 63 2012-12-23 01:22:16 <sipa> "they" and "should" depend on the market
 64 2012-12-23 01:23:24 <MC1984> you think the market is running out of demand for MOAR SPACE
 65 2012-12-23 01:24:24 <gmaxwell> MC1984: there are a bunch of drives with 1TB platters now.
 66 2012-12-23 01:25:25 <MC1984> cool
 67 2012-12-23 01:25:59 <MC1984> i wonder when theyll be putting tiny cutle little electron force microscopes in them
 68 2012-12-23 01:26:11 <MC1984> cant be far off
 69 2012-12-23 01:26:17 <gmaxwell> How do you think they work now?
 70 2012-12-23 01:26:29 <sipa> magic.
 71 2012-12-23 01:27:16 <MC1984> they dont directly manipulate magnetism anymore afaik
 72 2012-12-23 01:27:36 <gmaxwell> Seems that the 3TB drives got the higher density platters first, I assume to lower materials cost on the more price sensitive products.
 73 2012-12-23 01:28:01 <MC1984> i wonder if they have to take account of quantum effects yet
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 75 2012-12-23 01:28:11 <MC1984> to the wikimobile
 76 2012-12-23 01:28:28 <gmaxwell> ...
 77 2012-12-23 01:28:39 <gmaxwell> yea, this is all answered, google giant magnetoresistance.
 78 2012-12-23 01:29:07 <MC1984> giant? dont be silly, this stuff is very very small
 79 2012-12-23 01:29:44 <gmaxwell> Don't look at me, I can't explain this physics stuff... and whos idea was it to give electrons _negative_ charge?!
 80 2012-12-23 01:30:27 <MC1984> i know rite
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 82 2012-12-23 01:31:47 <MC1984> Worldwide revenues for HDDs shipments are expected to reach $38 billion in 2012, up about 19% from $32 billion in 2011.
 83 2012-12-23 01:32:01 <MC1984> wow i thought disks were on the way out
 84 2012-12-23 01:32:23 <gmaxwell> They don't mention that 80% of thats going to the NSA. :P
 85 2012-12-23 01:32:38 <phantomcircuit> lolol
 86 2012-12-23 01:32:40 <sipa> gmaxwell: given the choice, which would you give the negative cgarge... electrons or POSItrons?
 87 2012-12-23 01:32:51 <MC1984> shiiiiiiit
 88 2012-12-23 01:33:10 <gmaxwell> hahah.
 89 2012-12-23 01:33:38 <gmaxwell> That just shows how mistakes compound over time. :P
 90 2012-12-23 01:33:44 <MC1984> it would have helped if theyd got current flow direction right the first time
 91 2012-12-23 01:34:19 <MC1984> i was taught something vaguely about "hole current" and then no one ever spoke it it again
 92 2012-12-23 01:34:34 <Dagger2> MC1984: the lack of competition in the HDD space means that prices have gone up. 19% revenue increase could easily come from that
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 94 2012-12-23 01:35:01 <MC1984> it was the flood wasnt it?
 95 2012-12-23 01:35:23 <MC1984> they decided they liked the new price level and the market was bearing it anyway
 96 2012-12-23 01:36:01 <Dagger2> you'd expect one of their competitors to undercut them to get a bigger share of the market
 97 2012-12-23 01:36:18 <Dagger2> but no, "one of their competitors" no longer applies in the desktop HDD market, it's just "their competitor" now
 98 2012-12-23 01:36:36 <Dagger2> and two companies isn't enough competition
 99 2012-12-23 01:37:09 <MC1984> yeah duopoly helps
100 2012-12-23 01:37:22 <MC1984> samsung spinpoints were the best too :(
101 2012-12-23 01:37:42 <MC1984> fuck seagate
102 2012-12-23 01:40:13 <MC1984> so anyway the moral of the story is dont worry about chain size vis a vis storage capacities
103 2012-12-23 01:41:12 <MC1984> dice pays fees right? But fees are flat rate according to each miner
104 2012-12-23 01:41:29 <MC1984> but its clear with the new DB that some txns are more onerous than others
105 2012-12-23 01:41:38 <MC1984> like the shit coming out of dice
106 2012-12-23 01:41:39 * Dagger2 has his block chain on an SSD
107 2012-12-23 01:41:50 <Dagger2> and it'd be really helpful if it was smaller
108 2012-12-23 01:41:55 <MC1984> what if these probematic txns were charged more?
109 2012-12-23 01:42:03 <MC1984> ones that cant be pruned, bit dust etc
110 2012-12-23 01:42:39 <gmaxwell> MC1984: we do require a fee for any txn that has very small outputs, but people pay it.
111 2012-12-23 01:42:41 <sipa> Dagger2: if you're on 0.8, only put the block and coin databased on fast storage
112 2012-12-23 01:43:34 <gmaxwell> MC1984: we need to teach the wallet to clean up its mess e.g. prefer to gobble up extra txouts as it can.
113 2012-12-23 01:43:39 <MC1984> gmaxwell its not even slowing dice down
114 2012-12-23 01:44:08 <gmaxwell> MC1984: why would it? their suckers^wcustomers pay for it.
115 2012-12-23 01:44:45 <Dagger2> I'm on whichever version was the last to ship with the wxwidgets interface
116 2012-12-23 01:45:57 <gmaxwell> ...
117 2012-12-23 01:46:02 <Dagger2> I don't have any other storage I can use apart from network drives though
118 2012-12-23 01:46:03 <gmaxwell> Dagger2: And that still runs??
119 2012-12-23 01:46:05 <gmaxwell> :P
120 2012-12-23 01:46:17 <MC1984> seem the 'leaderboards' on that site
121 2012-12-23 01:46:19 <Dagger2> I dunno, I haven't tried in a while :p
122 2012-12-23 01:46:24 <MC1984> some people have a genuine problem
123 2012-12-23 01:46:24 <gmaxwell> I'm surprised you're not stuck.
124 2012-12-23 01:46:44 <MC1984> spend 11,000 btc win 2,000
125 2012-12-23 01:46:57 <Dagger2> but still, the Qt interface irritated me so I figured I'd just ignore it
126 2012-12-23 01:47:30 <sipa> Dagger2: patches welcome :)
127 2012-12-23 01:48:14 <gmaxwell> Dagger2: well the old versions have fairly serious bugs that will leave them subject to getting isolated potentially maliciously.
128 2012-12-23 01:48:30 <Dagger2> the patch would be the wxwidgets interface, with maybe a fix for the toolbar background color over RDP :p
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130 2012-12-23 01:49:00 <Dagger2> as a serious question, can I feasibly use that interface from 0.4 with more recent core code? or would that involve a fair bit of effort?
131 2012-12-23 01:49:40 <MC1984> doesnt luke maintain one with the old gui
132 2012-12-23 01:49:43 <sipa> no
133 2012-12-23 01:50:12 <sipa> the stable backports are bitcoind only, afaik
134 2012-12-23 01:50:30 <MC1984> whats wrong with qt anyway
135 2012-12-23 01:50:33 <sipa> Dagger2: are you serious?
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138 2012-12-23 01:51:19 <gmaxwell> it would be an enormous amount of work— and well, there was _no one_ who wanted to maintain the wxwidgets code. Lots of people are willing to hack on the QT stuff.
139 2012-12-23 01:51:41 <Dagger2> I know nothing about bitcoin's architecture, I have no idea if that should be easy or not
140 2012-12-23 01:51:45 <sipa> the wx interface was not written on top of the core (like qt), but intermingled with it
141 2012-12-23 01:52:19 <Dagger2> if the UI was just an interface to a bitcoind then it should just be a matter of upgrading the daemon while not touching the UI, but I don't know if it is or not
142 2012-12-23 01:52:23 <Dagger2> ... well, I guess I do now
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144 2012-12-23 01:54:28 <sipa> i'm really surprised how much hatred an interface seems to cause for some people
145 2012-12-23 01:55:22 <sipa> except when you have some ideologic problem with Qt, I really don't understand it
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147 2012-12-23 01:55:49 <gmaxwell> If there are specific issues with how the QT interface works- please open issues on them! (or better, submit patches— it's now pretty easy to hack on)
148 2012-12-23 01:57:06 <Dagger2> no ideological problem with Qt per se... but it does produce a UI that's subtly wrong for my OS+theme, whereas the wxwidgets one was perfect
149 2012-12-23 01:58:11 <sipa> 'subtly wrong' sounds easily fixable if reported! and hardly a reason to expose yourself to security risks
150 2012-12-23 01:58:22 <Dagger2> the transaction list uses some weird Qt widget with shaded tall rows with pictures in them, vs the old regular (can't remember what Windows calls the widget -- "listbox" maybe) in the wxwidgets UI
151 2012-12-23 01:58:25 <Dagger2> and no status bar
152 2012-12-23 01:58:47 <Dagger2> instead some pictures that I have to mouse over to get the text that I used to be able to just read in the UI
153 2012-12-23 01:58:56 <Dagger2> (this is all from 0.5, it might have changed since then)
154 2012-12-23 01:59:20 <gmaxwell> it's been tweaked marginally some since 0.5... there were some larger proposed changes that petered out before actually getting done.
155 2012-12-23 02:04:00 <Dagger2> and a major part of the annoyance is not that I don't like the UI, but that somebody exerted effort to go from a UI I was completely happy with to one that I really wasn't
156 2012-12-23 02:05:07 <Dagger2> Firefox does that to me constantly, and then they have the gall to tell me that it's for my own good and that, if I would only just realize it, I actually secretly like the changes
157 2012-12-23 02:05:09 <Dagger2> which I don't
158 2012-12-23 02:05:16 <gmaxwell> Dagger2: But what you're not considering is that the change also moved it from software that no one was willing to maintain, to software that many people are willing to work on... and also a lot of people also prefer the qt interface too. (for reasons mostly different than what makes you dislike it)
159 2012-12-23 02:05:28 <Dagger2> though of course in this case "nobody was willing to hack on our old UI" is a reason I can understand for writing a new one
160 2012-12-23 02:05:57 <gmaxwell> And it was deeply interwoven into the core of the system— a complete mess. So it had to be rewritten.
161 2012-12-23 02:06:23 <gmaxwell> There probably are some interface taste issues that can't be reconciled, but I expect most of what you dislike can be fixed.
162 2012-12-23 02:11:36 <Dagger2> a lot of it is a result of Qt using its own implementations over system-native widgets
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164 2012-12-23 02:12:38 <Dagger2> which can't be so easily fixed by us or by Qt
165 2012-12-23 02:14:12 <sipa> just use bitcoind :p
166 2012-12-23 02:15:43 <gmaxwell> not like system native widgets has much meaning anymore in any case... with webaps and whatever the new windows 8 stuff is called.
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169 2012-12-23 02:22:01 <Dagger2> quite, but "other people are ditching consistent UIs too" is no reason to do so
170 2012-12-23 02:22:24 <Dagger2> at least it's certainly not one that will make me happy to use the resulting software
171 2012-12-23 02:22:35 <rdymac> piles?
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173 2012-12-23 02:25:00 <gmaxwell> Dagger2: I mean its a lost cause regardless of how you value it.
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175 2012-12-23 02:26:59 <gmaxwell> Dagger2: (and QT does use the native libraries and widgets though I admit I don't know much about the details)
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177 2012-12-23 02:33:34 <Dagger2> to some degree it must do, but some parts it definitely doesn't (e.g. the listview looks nothing like a Windows common control listview)
178 2012-12-23 02:34:18 <Dagger2> or dropdown option boxes. I can't figure out exactly what's wrong with them, but they're clearly not the native ones
179 2012-12-23 02:41:09 <Luke-Jr> [01:35:41] <Dagger2> as a serious question, can I feasibly use that interface from 0.4 with more recent core code? or would that involve a fair bit of effort? <-- 0.4.x is still maintained for bitcoind, yes
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181 2012-12-23 02:42:24 <Luke-Jr> Dagger2: sounds like you should suggest changes to Bitcoin-Qt to make it more to your liking; but if you want to pick up wxBitcoin and maintain it, I'd be glad to assist a bit
182 2012-12-23 02:43:33 <Luke-Jr> Dagger2: I suspect the listview looks different because of styling rules more than Qt, if it does indeed look different
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185 2012-12-23 02:49:59 <Dagger2> realistically I'd spend maybe a week hacking on it before promptly losing interest, so I'd have to get it to the point where it was an isolated UI that could cope with bitcoind upgrades without breaking
186 2012-12-23 02:50:31 <Dagger2> and from the sound of things that would be difficult, possibly to the point of it being easier to rewrite from scratch
187 2012-12-23 02:51:39 <Dagger2> it doesn't actually look like it would be too much effort to do that if it's just a UI on top of bitcoind... but software projects have a tendency to never be "not too much effort"
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189 2012-12-23 02:53:38 <phantomcircuit> the time to load the blockchain is getting a lot worse :(
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192 2012-12-23 02:55:25 <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: by worse you mean a lot better?
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194 2012-12-23 02:55:47 <phantomcircuit> i mean using the same version it's getting worse
195 2012-12-23 02:55:57 <gmaxwell> ha, well, duh. :P
196 2012-12-23 02:56:01 <phantomcircuit> 0.8 islot better
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218 2012-12-23 03:40:17 <Luke-Jr> Dagger2: well, you could get started from the bitcoind 0.4.x code - I never removed the GUI code (that could have introduced bugs)
219 2012-12-23 03:40:39 <Luke-Jr> obviously you won't get LevelDB and such, but it's a step
220 2012-12-23 03:41:12 <gmaxwell> or a ton of other features. .. but at least it won't be outright busted and vulnerable (well, we hope)
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222 2012-12-23 03:41:38 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: yeah, but I think LevelDB is the only thing that would be difficult to adapt ;p
223 2012-12-23 03:42:34 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: uh, there are a bunch of features with gui parts that have never been written as wx.
224 2012-12-23 03:42:47 <Luke-Jr> yeah, but most of them are trivial
225 2012-12-23 03:43:19 <Luke-Jr> (compared to LevelDB)
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227 2012-12-23 03:44:01 <MC1984> if leveldb is designed to aplit the chain into storage and active use sections
228 2012-12-23 03:44:27 <MC1984> could it put those different sections on appropriate media in the machine, if available
229 2012-12-23 03:44:44 <MC1984> hybrid drives and stuff
230 2012-12-23 03:44:53 <Luke-Jr> MC1984: well, leveldb included ultraprune, which basically means you can just delete the block files when it's done I thin
231 2012-12-23 03:44:54 <Luke-Jr> think*
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233 2012-12-23 03:45:15 <MC1984> yeah but i hope that will never be neccesary
234 2012-12-23 03:45:31 <gmaxwell> MC1984: you can do that just by symlinking the directories.. works fine.
235 2012-12-23 03:45:53 <MC1984> yes but i am john q dumbass user
236 2012-12-23 03:45:57 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: no, you can't delete them currently, not without breaking things (and the network as a whole)
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238 2012-12-23 03:46:11 <gmaxwell> MC1984: splitting your system across multiple media is not a dumbass user thing to do.
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240 2012-12-23 03:46:36 <MC1984> im nure there are machine sold with a small boot SSD and a hdd too
241 2012-12-23 03:46:43 <MC1984> and hybrid drives
242 2012-12-23 03:47:18 <gmaxwell> MC1984: the hybrid drive stuff is just automagic in windows
243 2012-12-23 03:47:32 <gmaxwell> and should actually do sane things for bitcoin 0.8. (hopefully)
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245 2012-12-23 03:47:57 <MC1984> well if it couldnt be done automatically, then something in the gui to choose directories for chain storage and active use would be nice
246 2012-12-23 03:48:03 <MC1984> and the wallet for that matter
247 2012-12-23 03:48:39 <gmaxwell> I expect we'll get some improved wallet management stuff into 0.8.
248 2012-12-23 03:48:57 <MC1984> cool
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395 2012-12-23 14:12:00 <rebroad> my debug.log seems to be currently filled with getblocks requests... it seems unusually frequent and asking for the same blocks...
396 2012-12-23 14:15:05 <rebroad> does bitcoind accept orphan blocks with work less than the work of the latest checkpoint block?
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414 2012-12-23 15:07:57 <JWU42> mem usage is much improved with 0.7.2 - appreciate that guys!
415 2012-12-23 15:08:14 <JWU42> thanks for all your work !!
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419 2012-12-23 15:14:07 <cjd> Hi guys, I'm doing some windows porting and I'm curious whether it's a safe bet that the value of HANDLE will never exceed INT32_MAX
420 2012-12-23 15:15:33 <cjd> I printed the values of a few and they were <100, it's hard to imagine the windows kernel having a handle table larger than 2 billion so is it just a uintptr to be annoying and incompatable?
421 2012-12-23 15:16:33 <cjd> int fd = (int) handle; assert(handle < INT32_MAX || !"oops lost the bet"); :)
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427 2012-12-23 15:26:56 <cjd> ahh it looks like the OpenSSL guys took the bet for winsock handles http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1953639/is-it-safe-to-cast-socket-to-int-under-win64
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491 2012-12-23 19:05:13 <rebroad> pretty quiet on here today...
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499 2012-12-23 19:19:59 * sipa just drove 600km
500 2012-12-23 19:20:50 <gmaxwell> sipa: wow, are you turning into an american? :P
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504 2012-12-23 19:34:56 <sipa> gmaxwell: no, in that case i would driven 400 miles of 600 km :p
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535 2012-12-23 21:35:47 <pjorrit> so you include some extra distance because of the cheap gas?
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540 2012-12-23 21:55:31 <gmaxwell> hmph. python-jsonrpc changes all the 'float' outputs to Decimal but doesn't handle them on the input side... you have to pass float.
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545 2012-12-23 22:04:10 <zooko> gmaxwell: I have a horrible kludge for that...
546 2012-12-23 22:05:02 <zooko> Wait, you're saying json.dumps({"foo": Decimal('1.0')}) raises an exception?
547 2012-12-23 22:05:12 <gmaxwell> Yes.
548 2012-12-23 22:05:44 <gmaxwell> well not json.dumps (haven't tried), but calls to the ServiceProxy methods for the bitcoin API calls
549 2012-12-23 22:06:06 <zooko> If it has the standard lib's json module inside...
550 2012-12-23 22:06:23 <zooko> Then I think there is nowadays some combination of options you can pass to json to do what I want...
551 2012-12-23 22:06:25 * zooko investigates
552 2012-12-23 22:06:48 <zooko> Excuse my latency -- I'm on the other side of a satellite from you...
553 2012-12-23 22:06:55 <gmaxwell> Jeff did something smart to it so that all the values coming out are Decimal.
554 2012-12-23 22:07:03 <gmaxwell> It just won't take them going back in.
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556 2012-12-23 22:08:05 <zooko> Here's the horrible kludge I mentioned: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/jsonutil
557 2012-12-23 22:08:25 <zooko> I think that's doing the same thing that Jeff already did for python-jsonrpc.
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559 2012-12-23 22:08:38 <zooko> I'm struggling to remember -- I think the other direction should be even easier...
560 2012-12-23 22:08:52 <zooko> I'm also struggling to load web pages over satellite in order to spur my memory.
561 2012-12-23 22:09:51 <zooko> I think use_decimal=True argument to json might suffice for that direction.
562 2012-12-23 22:11:17 <zooko> Strange, http://docs.python.org/2/library/json.html doesn't mention "use_decimal".
563 2012-12-23 22:11:22 <gmaxwell> E.g. In this script http://pastebin.com/phJcj7iB   on line 28 the float() is required there or createrawtransaction throws an exception.
564 2012-12-23 22:12:00 <zooko> And that call to float() could change the value!
565 2012-12-23 22:12:04 <gmaxwell> Yes.
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567 2012-12-23 22:12:38 <gmaxwell> It double checks it at the end by showing you the actual decimal computed fee but ugh.
568 2012-12-23 22:13:12 <gmaxwell> (my own code does all this with integers, but I wanted to move out gmaxwell-hack crap in order to publish some simple scripts for people)
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570 2012-12-23 22:13:30 <zooko> Well, it looks like my solution in https://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/pyutil/browser/trunk/pyutil/jsonutil.py is to use simplejson instead of json (the Python standard library's version) and to pass "use_decimal=True".
571 2012-12-23 22:13:45 <zooko> That causes it to encode Decimal instances into decimal strings in json, which is obviously good and correct.
572 2012-12-23 22:14:18 <zooko> I can recommend doing whatever jsonutil.py does, or even using jsonutil.py itself, on the grounds that it has unit tests and benchmarks.
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574 2012-12-23 22:18:15 <zooko> https://zooko.com/uri/URI:DIR2-RO:d73ap7mtjvv7y6qsmmwqwai4ii:tq5tqejzulg7yj4h7nxuurpiuuz5jsgvczmdamcalpk2rc6gmbsq/klog.html#pyutil.jsonutil
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