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  2 2012-12-29 00:00:22 <forrestv> Luke-Jr, '1a' should decode to 00 21 and 'a' to 21 ... that's how i've always seen it done
  3 2012-12-29 00:00:34 <forrestv> is your decoder returning an integer instead of a byte string?
  4 2012-12-29 00:00:38 <Joric> i used http://brainwallet.org/#converter
  5 2012-12-29 00:00:40 <Luke-Jr> forrestv: my parser decodes to a fixed size buffer.
  6 2012-12-29 00:01:05 <forrestv> ah
  7 2012-12-29 00:01:22 <Luke-Jr> http://gitorious.org/bitcoin/libblkmaker/blobs/master/base58.c
  8 2012-12-29 00:01:34 <forrestv> so you need to check that the number of leading 1's is equal to the number of leading 0x00's in your buffer
  9 2012-12-29 00:01:43 <forrestv> and reject the base58 string if it doesn't match
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 38 2012-12-29 01:57:36 <Dev007> Hey do you guys know a way to 'observe' specif addresses on the server without having access to them for security reasons?
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 41 2012-12-29 02:10:30 <andytoshi> i don't think there is such a way, though it's a fairly common request
 42 2012-12-29 02:10:47 <andytoshi> i looked into it and it seemed (at the time) to be quite a PITA to add this feature
 43 2012-12-29 02:11:00 <andytoshi> but i'm not really a dev..maybe it's easy for someone who understands the code
 44 2012-12-29 02:12:19 <sipa> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2121
 45 2012-12-29 02:12:26 <Luke-Jr> Dev007: the only current way to do that is to use an encrypted wallet
 46 2012-12-29 02:12:33 <gmaxwell> the simple way to accomplish this right now with the reference software is just put the addresses in an encrypted wallet, and never ever let the decryption key touch the server.
 47 2012-12-29 02:12:49 <Luke-Jr> Dev007: in theory, the encrypted data is indistinguishable from garbage without the passphrase - so just encrypt it with some hugely long keyu
 48 2012-12-29 02:12:50 <Luke-Jr> key8
 49 2012-12-29 02:12:53 <Luke-Jr> key*
 50 2012-12-29 02:13:01 <Dev007> If its encrypted, I can't generate new addresses right?
 51 2012-12-29 02:13:07 <Luke-Jr> correct
 52 2012-12-29 02:14:12 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: forrestv: does this look right? http://codepad.org/bBajFuiD
 53 2012-12-29 02:14:58 <Dev007> If I fill the pool with 10 million addresses for example, I would be alright correct?
 54 2012-12-29 02:16:11 <Luke-Jr> I suppose
 55 2012-12-29 02:16:41 <forrestv> Luke-Jr, i think so
 56 2012-12-29 02:19:01 <gmaxwell> ;;bc,blocks
 57 2012-12-29 02:19:01 <gribble> 214103
 58 2012-12-29 02:19:42 <gmaxwell> darnit, why has my GBT latency gone from 0.02s to 0.1s
 59 2012-12-29 02:20:08 <Dev007> You guys are going to change the world, thx for the help!
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 62 2012-12-29 02:23:52 <helo> src/net.cpp:18:32: fatal error: miniupnpc/miniwget.h: No such file or directory
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 64 2012-12-29 02:24:09 <gmaxwell> helo: Read the fine build docs.
 65 2012-12-29 02:25:59 <helo> :q
 66 2012-12-29 02:26:03 <helo> oops lag :/
 67 2012-12-29 02:26:41 <sipa> gmaxwell: long chain of transactions in mempool?
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 70 2012-12-29 02:27:51 <gmaxwell> 751 in it now. Normally I don't see ones that are that bad on this node as it blocks all the dice, so their dependencies are orphans.
 71 2012-12-29 02:28:54 <gmaxwell> yea, must be it— the last block cleared out a bunch and it dropped.
 72 2012-12-29 02:28:55 <helo> kind of surprised that the build process has changed
 73 2012-12-29 02:29:14 <gmaxwell> helo: ... it hasn't.
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 75 2012-12-29 02:29:41 <sipa> i don't think that was touched since 0.4 or so
 76 2012-12-29 02:29:48 <sipa> the miniupnp thing
 77 2012-12-29 02:30:05 <helo> i built on this machine previously without any problems
 78 2012-12-29 02:30:27 <gmaxwell> helo: Sounds like you need a memory upgrade. ... (as in the organic kind. :P)
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 80 2012-12-29 02:30:48 <gmaxwell> helo: most likely you did the USE_UPNP= thing, and don't recall?
 81 2012-12-29 02:30:56 <andytoshi> helo, i've always gotten that error on new systems
 82 2012-12-29 02:31:06 <andytoshi> "yum provides */miniupnpc/miniwget.h"
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 84 2012-12-29 02:31:23 <sipa> or previously built on ssystems that had miniupnpc installed
 85 2012-12-29 02:31:53 <helo> hmmm... as far as i remember i've not used USE_UPNP before
 86 2012-12-29 02:32:00 * sipa should hide his parseltongue better
 87 2012-12-29 02:32:02 <helo> oh well
 88 2012-12-29 02:33:21 * helo looks into that memory upgrade
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 91 2012-12-29 02:37:47 <gmaxwell> peak mempool transactions in my recently logs 1978 on a non-dice blocking node, and 1602 on a blockin one.
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 94 2012-12-29 02:47:02 <MC1984> thats not so bad
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 96 2012-12-29 03:03:54 <jgarzik> current mempool sizes: 711 / 3170 / 723
 97 2012-12-29 03:04:21 <jgarzik> that's versions 0.8-head-2-weeks / 0.7.1 / 0.8-head-2-weeks
 98 2012-12-29 03:05:14 <jgarzik> all current at ~214107
 99 2012-12-29 03:06:35 <gmaxwell> I assume the difference there is kick-conflicts (cd7fb7d1deece9da15d7750b3e05f729555a2cbe)
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111 2012-12-29 04:07:32 <RBecker> whoops
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124 2012-12-29 04:51:28 <Dev007> Hey I have one last quick question. If I generate 1 million address on the keypool and leave an excrypted copy on the server ( used to listen for payments), another on the desktop ( used for making payments ).
125 2012-12-29 04:52:23 <Dev007> If I call the getnewaddress function on the server, will this change be reflected on the desktop?
126 2012-12-29 04:54:44 <gmaxwell> Clarify what you mean by 'this change'
127 2012-12-29 04:55:26 <Dev007> Will the new address or balance be updated on bitcoin-qt?
128 2012-12-29 04:55:54 <Dev007> that is on the desktop
129 2012-12-29 04:56:01 <gmaxwell> Sure.
130 2012-12-29 04:56:47 <gmaxwell> What won't be updated is that if you do getnewaddress on each of them before using the address, you can get the same address out of both.
131 2012-12-29 04:58:13 <Dev007> Oh ok, so if 5 new addresses are created on the server, I call the getnewaddress 5 times on the desktop machine. Since they are in order on the keypool, I should get the same 5 new addresses correct?
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133 2012-12-29 05:00:35 <gmaxwell> uh. what I expect would happen there is that would happen unless funds were sent to one before you did it on the desktop, and if they were it would be skipped.  Would probably be good for you to test this all with testnet before depending on my expectations. (well, the whole— having the same balanace will work find, but details of using getnewaddress in both places is another matter)
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136 2012-12-29 05:03:02 <Dev007> Yes, I presume its safe since one of them would be totally encrypted so if they would happen that the getnewaddress to be an overlaped, that would be a security issue I would point out.
137 2012-12-29 05:03:37 <Dev007> But thanks for pointing me out in the right direction. I will test this out in a deeper matter.
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139 2012-12-29 05:04:37 <gmaxwell> The getnewaddresses should be overlapped. The addresses are not encrypted— just the private keys.
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142 2012-12-29 05:06:20 <Dev007> Ok, I will check if the same address pops out from both ends and if they dont complict in any way
143 2012-12-29 05:07:04 <Dev007> conflict*
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164 2012-12-29 06:10:55 <stealth2_> shouldn't bitcoind only decrypt the keys necessary to perform the operation?
165 2012-12-29 06:11:08 <stealth2_> I guess once the master key is provided it doesn't matter much
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170 2012-12-29 06:50:14 <B0g4r7> Wow, Eligius solved two consecutive blocks today.  Not super rare, but this time both were solved by the same user.
171 2012-12-29 06:50:49 <B0g4r7> With only a 4m12s interval.
172 2012-12-29 06:51:29 <gmaxwell> B0g4r7: yea, thats because all of us early asic users are just sniping high fees right now instead of mining constantly.
173 2012-12-29 06:53:51 <B0g4r7> Hm, I wouldn't say those two blocks had especially high fees.
174 2012-12-29 06:54:00 <gmaxwell> I was kidding.
175 2012-12-29 06:54:06 <B0g4r7> heh
176 2012-12-29 06:54:22 <B0g4r7> made me look
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179 2012-12-29 06:55:26 <B0g4r7> Is there a place with a graph of the fees per block?
180 2012-12-29 06:56:10 <Luke-Jr> B0g4r7: just draw a shaky line slightly above 0, and you've got it
181 2012-12-29 06:56:44 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: coming back to Eligius for ASICs? :D
182 2012-12-29 06:58:19 <gmaxwell> B0g4r7: trivial to generate.
183 2012-12-29 06:59:33 <gmaxwell> B0g4r7: this will get you the last 100 coinbase values:
184 2012-12-29 06:59:34 <gmaxwell> (for n in {0..100} ; do i=$[`bd getblockcount`-$n]  h=`bd getblockhash $i` ; echo -n $n $h\  ; bd getrawtransaction `bd getblock $h | grep '^        "' | cut -d'"' -f2 | head -1` 1 | grep value | cut -d':' -f2 | awk '{aa+=$0} END {print aa}' ; done)
185 2012-12-29 06:59:38 <gmaxwell> (bd is bitcoind)
186 2012-12-29 06:59:56 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: not if they're spent :/
187 2012-12-29 07:00:24 <gmaxwell> will on 0.7.1
188 2012-12-29 07:00:31 <gmaxwell> and I used 100 for a reason. :P
189 2012-12-29 07:00:57 <Luke-Jr> aha true
190 2012-12-29 07:02:02 <maaku> BIP 22 - is it possible to specify required outputs for the coinbase, while letting the miner fill in the rest?
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192 2012-12-29 07:04:46 <gmaxwell>    Min. 1st Qu.  Median    Mean 3rd Qu.    Max.
193 2012-12-29 07:04:47 <gmaxwell>  0.0000  0.0520  0.1631  0.2225  0.3456 10.9300
194 2012-12-29 07:05:03 <gmaxwell> (fees in the last 4096 blocks)
195 2012-12-29 07:07:07 <gmaxwell> 1.46% with no fees.
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200 2012-12-29 07:11:12 <stealth222> single tx blocks?
201 2012-12-29 07:11:25 <gmaxwell> about the right amount.
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204 2012-12-29 07:12:59 <stealth222> btw, we really should optimize the locking code - that script takes forever to run :p
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207 2012-12-29 07:13:16 <Luke-Jr> maaku: what exactly would you omit for the miner to fill in?
208 2012-12-29 07:14:10 <gmaxwell> stealth222: huh? goes pretty fast for me.
209 2012-12-29 07:14:20 <gmaxwell> I mean, as totally horrible shell hacks go.
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211 2012-12-29 07:15:19 <maaku> The miner's payment. Some outputs would be required, the others the miner would be allowed to fill in.
212 2012-12-29 07:15:26 <maaku> This is for Freicoin (required foundation outputs), but it would apply to a p2pool-like setup as well.
213 2012-12-29 07:15:51 <maaku> Where the miner can fill in their 0.5% bonus, for example.
214 2012-12-29 07:17:34 <Luke-Jr> maaku: there is no way to do that right now, except for miners that support adding their own transactions perhaps; but if you want, it's not too late to add something like that to BIP 23 perhaps
215 2012-12-29 07:28:09 <stealth222> gmaxwell: it took 15 seconds to do 10 blocks
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217 2012-12-29 07:28:26 <stealth222> oh, hmm
218 2012-12-29 07:28:35 <stealth222> it might be my version of bitcoind
219 2012-12-29 07:28:51 <stealth222> added extra locks
220 2012-12-29 07:29:56 <gmaxwell> stealth222: yea, uh, haha. it takes about 2 seconds here to do 100. (and probably a good chunk is because it stupidly gets the current height in every iteration, plus getblock is a linear scan, etc.. but even with all that .. it's still 50/sec or so)
221 2012-12-29 07:30:39 <stealth222> is it safe to lock on a critical section owned by an object that gets deleted inside the lock clause?
222 2012-12-29 07:30:57 <stealth222> still getting familiarized with the sync.h macros
223 2012-12-29 07:31:47 <stealth222> in other words, what happens if you delete a critical section inside itself? :)
224 2012-12-29 07:32:15 <stealth222> trying to figure out how to optimize this
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228 2012-12-29 07:37:34 <stealth222> hmm, I just commented out the lock and I'm not getting better performance
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234 2012-12-29 07:42:14 <stealth222> it's not the RPC locking that's slowing it down
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247 2012-12-29 07:59:57 <stealth222> it's the grep, cut, head sequence
248 2012-12-29 08:00:01 <stealth222> (s=$((`date +%s` * 1000 + `date +%N` / 1000000)); b=`bitcoind getblock 00000000000002cf7bd4b285af2bac5243b610e16fa2157e290d1efa7058117f | grep '^        "' | cut -d'"' -f2 | head -1`; echo $((`date +%s` * 1000 + `date +%N` / 1000000-$s)))
249 2012-12-29 08:00:04 <stealth222> output 539
250 2012-12-29 08:00:21 <stealth222> (s=$((`date +%s` * 1000 + `date +%N` / 1000000)); b=`bitcoind getblock 00000000000002cf7bd4b285af2bac5243b610e16fa2157e290d1efa7058117f`; echo $((`date +%s` * 1000 + `date +%N` / 1000000-$s)))
251 2012-12-29 08:00:24 <stealth222> output 68
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254 2012-12-29 08:08:19 <gmaxwell> https://people.xiph.org/~greg/gbt-wtf2.png 0_o
255 2012-12-29 08:09:33 <stealth222> gmaxwell: grep | cut | head is taking almost half a second
256 2012-12-29 08:09:36 <stealth222> lol
257 2012-12-29 08:10:14 <stealth222> getblock is actually not too terrible
258 2012-12-29 08:10:53 <gmaxwell> stealth222: hah crazy.
259 2012-12-29 08:11:07 <gmaxwell> some unusual locale setting?
260 2012-12-29 08:11:22 <stealth222> I don't think so
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262 2012-12-29 08:32:07 <stealth222> actually, that was pretty messy. this is cleaner
263 2012-12-29 08:32:08 <stealth222> (s=`date +%s%N`; b=`bitcoind getblock 00000000000002cf7bd4b285af2bac5243b610e16fa2157e290d1efa7058117f`; echo $(((`date +%s%N`-$s)/1000000)))
264 2012-12-29 08:36:22 <stealth222> around 60 ms
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287 2012-12-29 10:47:34 <Luke-Jr> miner.c:6475:5: warning: passing argument 2 of 'mmev->callback' from incompatible pointer type
288 2012-12-29 10:47:36 <Luke-Jr> miner.c:6475:5: note: expected 'struct mm_event *' but argument is of type 'struct mm_event *'
289 2012-12-29 10:47:37 <Luke-Jr> wtf? :/
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291 2012-12-29 10:48:32 <Arnavion> Does it go away if you cast it to a struct mm_event * ?
292 2012-12-29 10:49:03 <Luke-Jr> no
293 2012-12-29 10:49:27 <Arnavion> Not completely insane, then.
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297 2012-12-29 10:53:00 <Luke-Jr> ok, I got it.
298 2012-12-29 10:53:16 <Luke-Jr> I declared the function type for callback before declaring struct mm_event
299 2012-12-29 10:53:28 <Luke-Jr> so I ended up with two struct types on the same name, in compiler land
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309 2012-12-29 11:53:22 <Nachtwind> hi, i have a question about "validateaddress". Is an address that is stored in the wallet automatically valid? Or can it happen that a key in the wallet is invalid?
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312 2012-12-29 12:39:12 <SomeoneWeird> Nachtwind, probably impossible unless you add it manually
313 2012-12-29 12:39:46 <Nachtwind> ok
314 2012-12-29 12:39:54 <Nachtwind> thought so, but wanted to make sure
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331 2012-12-29 14:07:05 <abrkn> what's a quick way to backup a wallet.dat from an ubuntu box? password protect it and e-mail to myself would be fine. i'm not very linux savvy...
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333 2012-12-29 14:10:00 <Luke-Jr> abrkn: Bitcoin-Qt has a Backup Wallet option on the File menu
334 2012-12-29 14:12:18 <abrkn> Luke-Jr: i dont have bitcoin-qt, just bitcoind
335 2012-12-29 14:12:27 <Luke-Jr> abrkn: there's a RPC to backup too
336 2012-12-29 14:13:03 <Luke-Jr> backupwallet("/path/to/where/you/want/the/file/on/server/with/bitcoind/backupfilename")
337 2012-12-29 14:13:29 <abrkn> got it
338 2012-12-29 14:13:43 <abrkn> what's a good way to crypt it? (it is not normally encrypted)
339 2012-12-29 14:14:05 <abrkn> on my windows machine i usually just use truecrypt
340 2012-12-29 14:14:54 <Luke-Jr> GnuPG can, but be sure to backup your private key (passphrase-protected) too
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347 2012-12-29 14:41:28 <leotreasure> hello
348 2012-12-29 14:41:53 <leotreasure> is there a way to add a mtgox ticker into a cell of a spreadsheet (using openoffice on mac)
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361 2012-12-29 15:10:57 <sturles> Probably, if you write a OpenOffice plugin which query the MtGox API, but it is offtopic here.
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376 2012-12-29 16:24:40 <SomeoneWeird> sturles, not really
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378 2012-12-29 16:26:10 <etotheipi_> sipa: gmaxwell: would you be up for a "rebranding" of the names of various Bitcoin things?  I want to make a forum post to get some consensus on sexy names for things ... I don't like "Watching-Only Wallet", I don't know what to call "Tx Distribution Proposals", etc
379 2012-12-29 16:27:25 <etotheipi_> "Hollow Wallets"? "Skeleton Wallets"?  "Gray wallets"?
380 2012-12-29 16:27:54 <sipa> etotheipi_: Neutered Wallets?
381 2012-12-29 16:27:58 <etotheipi_> sipa: lol
382 2012-12-29 16:28:22 <SomeoneWeird> lolll
383 2012-12-29 16:28:56 <sipa> what's the problem with watch-only wallet, tough?
384 2012-12-29 16:29:02 <etotheipi_> Especially with Bitcoin-Qt soon to have "Deterministic" (?) wallets, and potentially Neutered wallets
385 2012-12-29 16:29:03 <sipa> it says exactly what it can do
386 2012-12-29 16:29:36 <etotheipi_> sipa: "watch-only" isn't terrible, but it's an engineering description and a lot of syllables
387 2012-12-29 16:30:00 <sipa> Skeleton is as many syllables as watch-only :)
388 2012-12-29 16:30:03 <etotheipi_> and maybe it is fine... I just want to get people to chime in on it, and get some ideas... but I also don't want to do it if no one (who matters) cares
389 2012-12-29 16:30:51 <Eliel_> how about observer wallet? should be quite clear it can't actually do anything?
390 2012-12-29 16:30:53 <etotheipi_> I suffer the most, because I've already built my app around these things...
391 2012-12-29 16:31:06 <etotheipi_> Eliel_: I actually like that better
392 2012-12-29 16:31:18 <sipa> observer wallet is fine for me
393 2012-12-29 16:31:30 <SomeoneWeird> yeah, i like observer
394 2012-12-29 16:31:31 <etotheipi_> sipa: I'm just saying less-enginerd-speak, and less syllables
395 2012-12-29 16:31:37 <etotheipi_> is preferred
396 2012-12-29 16:31:47 <sipa> but different good names is probably worse than one half-bad one :)
397 2012-12-29 16:32:07 <ThomasV_> etotheipi_: how about "deseeded wallet" (that's electrum naming)
398 2012-12-29 16:32:25 <etotheipi_> right... I would love to standardize it
399 2012-12-29 16:32:52 <sipa> deseeded doesn't sound very clear to me
400 2012-12-29 16:33:15 <etotheipi_> we can even have a separate "engineering name", such as "Hierarchical Deterministic wallets", but I think there needs to be something better for casual users to distinguish, learn once, and see it used everywhere
401 2012-12-29 16:34:12 <sipa> well one name for the concept and one for the technology, i guess
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403 2012-12-29 16:35:36 <nick8346> hi
404 2012-12-29 16:35:45 <nick8346> any bitcoin developers here>
405 2012-12-29 16:35:51 <nick8346> ??????????????
406 2012-12-29 16:37:11 <etotheipi_> I like how no one responds, in the bitcoin-*dev*eloper channel
407 2012-12-29 16:37:15 <etotheipi_> :)
408 2012-12-29 16:37:31 <sipa> several
409 2012-12-29 16:37:32 <etotheipi_> nick8346: specific to Bitcoin-Qt?  or generally Bitcoin-related?
410 2012-12-29 16:37:47 <nick8346> bitcoin-related
411 2012-12-29 16:37:51 <nick8346> question
412 2012-12-29 16:38:34 <nick8346> Is it possible to SOLO merge-mine namecoins while mining bitcoins at a pool ?
413 2012-12-29 16:38:36 <nick8346> ?????????????????????????
414 2012-12-29 16:38:45 <etotheipi_> sipa: Eliel_: ThomasV:  so would you be willing to (with further review), pick new terminology for things?  there will be a little turbulence when applications using old terminology switch, but I'm okay with that
415 2012-12-29 16:39:21 <etotheipi_> perhaps it's worht an RFC on the forums, then take the top X of them for each concept and finish the debate on the mailing list
416 2012-12-29 16:40:16 <etotheipi_> I think it will be smooth... I just don't want to bother if the various client developers don't want to change
417 2012-12-29 16:41:23 <sipa> well Bitcoin-Qt doesn't have Deterministic Wallet or Watch-Only Wallet as concepts right now... i suppose when we add those, they'll get whatever name is common for it
418 2012-12-29 16:41:35 <nick8346> Is it possible to SOLO merge-mine namecoins while mining bitcoins at a pool ?
419 2012-12-29 16:41:37 <nick8346> ?????????????????????????
420 2012-12-29 16:41:55 <etotheipi_> nick8346: I'm not ignoring you, I just don't know the answer
421 2012-12-29 16:42:11 <etotheipi_> nick8346: however it is unnecessary to use separete messages full of question marks
422 2012-12-29 16:44:06 <sipa> nick8346: on a traditional pool that is certainly impossible, as you're not the one constructing the actual block
423 2012-12-29 16:44:51 <nick8346> on a stratum pool???
424 2012-12-29 16:44:56 <nick8346> on a GBT pool???
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427 2012-12-29 16:58:42 <nick8346> ?
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432 2012-12-29 17:11:09 <sturles> nick8346: Please teach yourself how question marks work.  You are annoying.
433 2012-12-29 17:11:29 <sturles> And I know the answer.
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435 2012-12-29 17:13:29 <nick8346> <sturles> And I know the answer.
436 2012-12-29 17:13:37 <nick8346> Tell me.
437 2012-12-29 17:14:19 <upb> ?!?!?!?!?!?!
438 2012-12-29 17:15:13 <sturles> nick8346: Try to show better manners in #bitcoin-mining, and I may answer.  This channel is for development, not mining.
439 2012-12-29 17:17:16 <nick8346> Ok sorry
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441 2012-12-29 17:18:23 <nick8346> sturles, i have asked in #bitcoin-mining
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537 2012-12-29 22:51:41 <stealth222> what happened to BitcoinPullTester?
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