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 43 2013-01-08 02:30:42 <SeN> hello
 44 2013-01-08 02:31:36 <MC1984> sup
 45 2013-01-08 02:32:13 <SeN> i'm new and might have a nice idea for the use of bitcoin
 46 2013-01-08 02:32:36 <SeN> but I have a problem, I'm no nerd:(
 47 2013-01-08 02:32:43 <MC1984> ok
 48 2013-01-08 02:33:17 <SeN> I'm just a financial guy trying to become a auditor in the netherlands
 49 2013-01-08 02:33:29 <Azelphur> Is there any way to hook incoming transactions through bitcoind somehow, or do you have to poll?
 50 2013-01-08 02:35:38 <SeN> So I'm looking for someone who can help me realize my business idea
 51 2013-01-08 02:36:10 <zapsoda> SeN, I might be intrested, Want to message me?
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 54 2013-01-08 02:37:20 <SeN> do i do that with dcc/chat?
 55 2013-01-08 02:37:58 <zapsoda> DCC isnt working for me you can email it to me at Zapsoda@gmail.com and you can msg me with /query zapsoda or /msg zapsoda <message>
 56 2013-01-08 02:42:29 <ne0futur> SeN: tell us a little bit more about your idea if you want to find serious partners
 57 2013-01-08 02:43:01 <ne0futur> also not sure #bitcoin-dev is the best place to ask, you should try to ask on #bitcoin , #bitcoin-hosting , #bitcoin-otc
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 59 2013-01-08 02:43:08 <ne0futur> here is more about bitcoin development
 60 2013-01-08 02:44:13 * Azelphur pokes people with his development question :P
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 65 2013-01-08 02:54:20 <SeN> i think i might be able to turn bitcoin into legal tender, but like i said, i'm just a newbie to all this
 66 2013-01-08 02:55:11 <MC1984> only the govt an decree that
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 68 2013-01-08 02:56:59 <Luke-Jr> SeN: I'm not sure if Netherlands might be different, but in the USA (and I presume most countries?), "legal tender" means you can pay taxes and court judgements with it
 69 2013-01-08 02:57:38 <SeN> exactly
 70 2013-01-08 02:57:55 <Dr-X> why would someone want that?
 71 2013-01-08 02:58:11 <Luke-Jr> Dr-X: as long as you need to pay taxes in fiat currency, you can never live on Bitcoins alone
 72 2013-01-08 02:59:18 <Dr-X> exchange it. As long as bitcoin is not legal tender, you can gamble with it, etc.
 73 2013-01-08 02:59:27 <Luke-Jr> Dr-X: um, no. it doesn't work like that.
 74 2013-01-08 02:59:44 <SeN> to reduce transaction costs
 75 2013-01-08 02:59:52 <Luke-Jr> Dr-X: you have to follow all the same regulations on money even if you're using Bitcoin
 76 2013-01-08 03:00:23 <Luke-Jr> Dr-X: including paying taxes on Bitcoin income - but you still have to pay the tax using legal tender
 77 2013-01-08 03:00:45 <Luke-Jr> Dr-X: really sounds like you should be chatting with a lawyer
 78 2013-01-08 03:01:09 <Luke-Jr> (for the record, I am *not* a lawyer myself, nor is this legal advice…)
 79 2013-01-08 03:02:05 <Dr-X> lol no I shouldn't
 80 2013-01-08 03:02:07 <MC1984> i dont know if being able to pay taxes in btc would be the beginning or the end of bitcoin
 81 2013-01-08 03:02:20 <SomeoneWeird> bad
 82 2013-01-08 03:03:38 <Dr-X> When gambling with bitcoins is illegal, so is playing monopoly with your family.
 83 2013-01-08 03:03:40 <SeN> i am the lawyer in this case
 84 2013-01-08 03:04:33 <Luke-Jr> Dr-X: except monopoly money isn't traded as currency anywhere
 85 2013-01-08 03:05:06 <Luke-Jr> SeN: well, usually mere lawyers can't change the law regarding payment of court judgements or taxes ;)
 86 2013-01-08 03:05:11 <Dr-X> well you can buy monopoly money I sell you 100,000k for 13$
 87 2013-01-08 03:05:27 <Luke-Jr> Dr-X: judges aren't fools
 88 2013-01-08 03:05:39 <etotheipi_> Dr-X: if that were true, then no casinos would need any licenses.... since they're not using cash, but these "value-less" pieces of plastic chips
 89 2013-01-08 03:05:39 <Dr-X> well they are
 90 2013-01-08 03:06:09 <Luke-Jr> etotheipi_: exactly. even Second Life had to deal with gambling regulations since their Linden Dollars are convertable to regular currency
 91 2013-01-08 03:06:16 <Dr-X> yes, but they are obligated to change them back into money
 92 2013-01-08 03:06:52 <etotheipi_> Dr-X: it's not the obligation to change it back to money, it's the fact that they have value
 93 2013-01-08 03:07:00 <Luke-Jr> (Linden addressed the problem by removing any random factors from SL, IIRC - thus no more gambling aspect)
 94 2013-01-08 03:07:01 <etotheipi_> they have value because the casino will change them back for you
 95 2013-01-08 03:07:12 <Dr-X> you bought those chips in the casino
 96 2013-01-08 03:07:14 <etotheipi_> Bitcoin has value because other people are willing to buy them from you, even though they're not obligated to
 97 2013-01-08 03:07:31 <Dr-X> I didn't buy bitcoins, I got them for free, like I got the monopoly money in monopoly
 98 2013-01-08 03:07:41 <etotheipi_> nm, I'm done here
 99 2013-01-08 03:07:45 <Luke-Jr> Dr-X: anyhow, expect to land in a world of pain someday if you don't talk to a lawyer about it (or at least behave reasonably).
100 2013-01-08 03:07:49 <SomeoneWeird> x_X
101 2013-01-08 03:08:22 <Dr-X> well I expect to be arrested playing monopoly with my family
102 2013-01-08 03:08:51 <MC1984> pack lube
103 2013-01-08 03:08:51 <Luke-Jr> SeN: anyhow, you should probably go into more detail on your idea here; PMs aren't really necessary in most cases
104 2013-01-08 03:09:30 <gmaxwell> This is all pretty offtopic for #bitcoin-dev... to #bitcoin with all of you!
105 2013-01-08 03:09:37 <SomeoneWeird> lol
106 2013-01-08 03:09:51 <Dr-X> chat police ^^ :p
107 2013-01-08 03:11:49 <SeN> sry
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165 2013-01-08 05:47:19 <stealth222> BlueMatt: you need more HD space?
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192 2013-01-08 06:52:15 <casascius> I have just announced an iPhone app for BIP 38 encrypted paper wallets: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135293.0
193 2013-01-08 06:52:41 <stealth222> nice, casascius
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207 2013-01-08 07:56:49 <stealth222> I'm trying to clean up main.h/main.cpp. I'd like to create separate source files core.h/core.cpp which define the basic bitcoin message structures. I want to keep all verification/block chain management stuff completely separate. As far as these basic message structures are concerned, scripts are just blobs.
208 2013-01-08 07:57:22 <stealth222> I'd also like to separate the block chain engine from main
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212 2013-01-08 08:02:14 <stealth222> *crickets chirping*
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216 2013-01-08 08:09:54 <weex> stealth222: you might want to create an issue in the github.com/bitcoin project or post to the development mailing list
217 2013-01-08 08:10:09 <weex> this is more of a hangout and isn't so active late in the evening
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220 2013-01-08 08:11:09 <stealth222> I like the quick interactive back and forth here sometimes - but yeah, this might merit posting something to the mailing list
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272 2013-01-08 11:18:51 <rphlx> hi.. what's the reasoning behind generated coins taking ~20X longer to confirm than regular transactions?
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274 2013-01-08 11:20:58 <kinlo> if the blockchain gets reverted due to an other chain being better, the generation transaction becomes invalid, hence the coins are not valid.  A transaction that does not rely on newly generted coins can still be valid.   At least that's how I understood it, I'm sure someone will correct me if it's wrong :)
275 2013-01-08 11:21:22 <sipa> rphlx: it's not 120 blocks to confirm, it is 120 blocks before the can be spent at all (vs 0 for normal ones)
276 2013-01-08 11:21:56 <rphlx> sorry. s/confirm/mature.
277 2013-01-08 11:22:11 <rphlx> still, i don't understand why such a large delay is required.
278 2013-01-08 11:22:37 <sipa> and thebreason is indeed that a reorganization makes coinbase inevitably invalid, and this happens without any malicious intent
279 2013-01-08 11:23:28 <sipa> and this would cause any transactions depending on it to become irrevocably invalid as well
280 2013-01-08 11:24:19 <sipa> while for a normal transaction to become invalid after a reorg, it must be double spent
281 2013-01-08 11:26:19 <rphlx> understood. i guess i am wondering how the specific constant (120 blocks) was chosen.
282 2013-01-08 11:26:29 <rphlx> it seems quite unlikely for a blockchain to be orphaned after more than a couple blocks.
283 2013-01-08 11:28:05 <sipa> yeah, it's probably overly cautious
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291 2013-01-08 11:48:00 <TD_> rphlx: the costs of picking a number too low are huge and the costs of picking a number "too high" are practically zero
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293 2013-01-08 11:49:59 <rphlx> that is certainly true. still, i imagine someone did some math to arrive at exactly 120. why not 60? or 240?
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295 2013-01-08 11:52:20 <sipa> satoshi guessed a lot of numbers :)
296 2013-01-08 11:52:41 <sipa> the network rule is 100, by the way
297 2013-01-08 11:52:42 <rphlx> well, he had pretty good taste, i would say.
298 2013-01-08 11:52:49 <phantomcircuit> sipa, CLEARLY HE IS MAGIC
299 2013-01-08 11:52:55 <sipa> the client enforces another 20
300 2013-01-08 11:53:07 <sipa> 101, actually
301 2013-01-08 11:53:18 <rphlx> why would the client enforce more than the network?
302 2013-01-08 11:53:27 <rphlx> that is sort of against the user's best interests.
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304 2013-01-08 11:54:00 <rphlx> just encourges ppl to change it locally & build their own client binaries.
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308 2013-01-08 12:06:04 <stealth222> if nobody will relay the transaction, it doesn't really matter if you make your own custom build
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329 2013-01-08 13:35:39 <pigeons> etotheipi_: will armory be able to use leveldb blockchain soon?
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331 2013-01-08 13:38:25 <sipa> pigeons: the blockchain isn't stored in leveldb
332 2013-01-08 13:38:48 <sipa> (in bitcoind, that is)
333 2013-01-08 13:39:22 <pigeons> ok
334 2013-01-08 13:39:46 <pigeons> what format did it change to recently that i had to re-import it
335 2013-01-08 13:40:10 <sipa> no change at all
336 2013-01-08 13:40:18 <sipa> the indexes changed, and you needed to reindex
337 2013-01-08 13:40:26 <sipa> and the filenames changed
338 2013-01-08 13:40:48 <pigeons> ok. now i have a blocks directory, they are still berkley?
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340 2013-01-08 13:42:25 <sipa> blocks are and have always been just blocks
341 2013-01-08 13:42:30 <sipa> they are not a database
342 2013-01-08 13:42:35 <pigeons> thank you
343 2013-01-08 13:42:38 <sipa> just files with concatenated blocks in network format
344 2013-01-08 13:46:30 <kinlo> sipa: wasn't the block-chain-fileset going to be limited to 200mb instead of 2 gb?
345 2013-01-08 13:46:48 <kinlo> oh well, still running 0.6 on some places, need to upgrade asap
346 2013-01-08 13:47:25 <sipa> kinlo: yes, smaller files with different names
347 2013-01-08 13:47:28 <sipa> kinlo: but same format
348 2013-01-08 13:47:39 <sipa> limited to 128 MiB in the current code, even
349 2013-01-08 13:47:40 <kinlo> sipa: so an upgrade will rewrite that?
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351 2013-01-08 13:48:04 <kinlo> it's better for backups that do their incrementals based on files in any case
352 2013-01-08 13:48:06 <sipa> there's a hacky solution that tries hardlinking the old files to the new location
353 2013-01-08 13:48:07 <kinlo> less delta
354 2013-01-08 13:48:13 <sipa> not eyt merged
355 2013-01-08 13:48:22 <sipa> but it's fast and easy :)
356 2013-01-08 13:48:42 <kinlo> mmmz, wouldn't it be nice to just migrate the old data to a new directory, leaving the old directory in the original format?
357 2013-01-08 13:49:12 <sipa> you know what a hardlink does?
358 2013-01-08 13:49:40 <kinlo> I'm very good with linux, so yes
359 2013-01-08 13:49:57 <kinlo> but given that you are going to switch to 128mb files, a copy wouldn't seem too bad
360 2013-01-08 13:50:07 <sipa> it does exactly that, but doesn't require duplication
361 2013-01-08 13:50:15 <kinlo> so the files would immediatly in the smaller file sizes
362 2013-01-08 13:50:46 <kinlo> so after a migration you'd have 2 large files and several small ones
363 2013-01-08 13:51:00 <kinlo> if you do the hardlink way
364 2013-01-08 13:51:31 <kinlo> but then, to make it worse, people might start an old version, expanding the 3th file
365 2013-01-08 13:51:34 <sipa> i don't think many people will like bitcoin suddenly requiring 2x as much storage, and needed a manual delete to fix it
366 2013-01-08 13:51:48 <kinlo> while with the new version, a new file would have been created
367 2013-01-08 13:52:19 <kinlo> so when the new version would be started, several blocks would be double in the database
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369 2013-01-08 13:53:51 <kinlo> you're correct that bitcoin should not require twice the place, but hardlinking means that when you use either copy of the database, files will be modified outside the scope of the program (as seen from the other version)
370 2013-01-08 13:54:34 <Luke-Jr> kinlo: -reindex at least works on LDB :P
371 2013-01-08 13:54:58 <kinlo> imho, either you do a full copy and keep 2 versions of the database, or you do a move, deleting the old copy
372 2013-01-08 13:55:23 <kinlo> given the fact that you can always safely delete all files if you keep wallet.dat, I'd go for the bold move...
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374 2013-01-08 13:57:29 <Luke-Jr> I'd opt to hard link IMO
375 2013-01-08 13:59:49 <sipa> kinlo: the files are append-only, nothing breaks if just one side appends to files
376 2013-01-08 14:00:00 <kinlo> true
377 2013-01-08 14:00:24 <sipa> even if both sides keep appending to it
378 2013-01-08 14:01:35 <sipa> actually, it would, because 0.8 doesn't append - it uses the first free space (according to its own view) instead of appending
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380 2013-01-08 14:02:23 <sipa> but 0.8 will not append anything to the old files, as they are over 128 MiB
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382 2013-01-08 14:16:01 <gavinandresen> there's a tiny window where it could be a problem, when we get to the end of blk0003.dat.  And somebody upgrades and then runs both old and new versions.  But that's just not a case I care about
383 2013-01-08 14:18:24 <kinlo> why not just only keep the wallet.dat from the old bitcoin version?
384 2013-01-08 14:18:57 <sipa> why force people to redownload data they already have, in exactly the format we support?
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391 2013-01-08 14:36:55 <gavinandresen> hey, I know, lets keep on talking about this for a few hours instead of pulling the changes and helping test... more fun to talk than to test!
392 2013-01-08 14:37:09 * gavinandresen is grumpy this morning
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394 2013-01-08 14:41:20 <nanotube> gavinandresen: got my gribble msg? :)
395 2013-01-08 14:41:41 <gavinandresen> nanotube: yes, couldn't for the life of me figure out what GSOC was last night.  Remembered this morning.
396 2013-01-08 14:42:58 <gavinandresen> nanotube: I'm still feeling overwhelmed by my TODO list, so if you can, or can find somebody, to manage the GSOC process that is probably the only way it will get done
397 2013-01-08 14:46:53 <nanotube> haha well a google lucky search would have clued you in if you were to have tried it :)
398 2013-01-08 14:47:29 <nanotube> hm, i'll try to dig into it and see what's up
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402 2013-01-08 14:54:14 <MC1984> casascius thinking of doing an android app too?
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408 2013-01-08 15:01:43 <gmaxwell> 03:36 < rphlx> why would the client enforce more than the network?
409 2013-01-08 15:02:04 <gmaxwell> Because if you spend right at the limit your transaction will relay poorly and you'll be confused when it doesn't get mined.
410 2013-01-08 15:02:26 <gmaxwell> Now adays this could be satisfied with a limit at 101/102, though.
411 2013-01-08 15:02:49 <gmaxwell> 03:09 < rphlx> it seems quite unlikely for a blockchain to be orphaned after more than a couple blocks.
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413 2013-01-08 15:03:26 <gmaxwell> The orphaning is catagorically different than any other kind of orphaning— it as it can leave you _unable_ to pay even if you're honest.
414 2013-01-08 15:05:01 <gmaxwell> In the event of a partitioning it prevents funds from being spent that honest people can't replace (admittedly a bigger issue at diff1), and it means that an attacker who mines a short fork to use in attack can't use coins they just mined to do it unless their attack is > 100 blocks long.
415 2013-01-08 15:05:44 <gmaxwell> So .. yea. what number is best for the limit? who knows— but there is basically no cost in making it high.
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418 2013-01-08 15:06:00 <gmaxwell> as far as the 120— meh "03:37 < rphlx> just encourges ppl to change it locally & build their own client binaries.
419 2013-01-08 15:06:05 <gmaxwell> " sounds good to me!
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425 2013-01-08 15:23:05 <casascius> MC1984: I wrote the iPhone app with Monotouch so I could use my C# code from the utility I wrote for Windows.  All of the object model code worked without modification, so the only thing I had to do was create UI.  Could do the same with Android
426 2013-01-08 15:24:31 <casascius> The only real drawback is that Monotouch is payware, making it difficult to get community compiling and improvements
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429 2013-01-08 15:38:46 <MC1984> will nocheckpoints=1 in bitcoin.conf work
430 2013-01-08 15:39:03 <MC1984> all launch args work the same in bitcoin.onf right
431 2013-01-08 15:42:19 <sipa> yes
432 2013-01-08 15:42:21 <sipa> will work
433 2013-01-08 15:44:45 * helo appends 'datadir=/home/helo/.bitcoin-ultraprune'
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443 2013-01-08 16:01:43 <MC1984> nocheckpoints doesnt seem too bad
444 2013-01-08 16:02:20 <MC1984> it got sompletely stuck on block 73000 something just now though
445 2013-01-08 16:02:57 <MC1984> and the estimated total blocks is 107868 :/
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447 2013-01-08 16:06:15 <headcase2> anyone hear
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462 2013-01-08 16:48:16 <jgarzik> https://www.btcfpga.com/forum/index.php?topic=954.0  bASIC now estimated mid-March
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465 2013-01-08 16:52:21 <helo> seems the bitcoin value increase would make a refund pretty compelling at this point
466 2013-01-08 16:57:07 <gmaxwell> helo: the refunds are in dollars.
467 2013-01-08 16:57:31 <gmaxwell> e.g. you get $saleprice worth of coins back.
468 2013-01-08 16:57:42 <helo> ouch :/
469 2013-01-08 16:58:31 <helo> that'll teach people not to spend bitcoin
470 2013-01-08 16:58:32 <gmaxwell> hm? why ouch? it's just the same as having sold your coins at the time of sale. No biggie.
471 2013-01-08 16:58:51 <gmaxwell> If you didn't want your bitcoin holdings to go down you would have bought more coin at the same time.
472 2013-01-08 17:01:49 <helo> i suppose bASIC probably sold the bitcoin to guard against potential value drops
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475 2013-01-08 17:03:50 <helo> just kind of sad that it will take $SUPERLONGTIME to break even
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479 2013-01-08 17:10:08 <Diapolo> wumpus: Are you on?
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482 2013-01-08 17:11:46 <Diapolo> sipa: What about that leveldb1.7 branch and my last comments (the one about Winver and that little "-too much)?
483 2013-01-08 17:12:20 <sipa> Diapolo: people in #mingw told me we need -static to get rid of the dependency on libssp.dll
484 2013-01-08 17:12:27 <sipa> alternative is shipping that dll file of course
485 2013-01-08 17:12:30 <sipa> haven't tried yet
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487 2013-01-08 17:13:14 <Diapolo> sipa: Another new -static in addition to the ones already there or am I missing something?
488 2013-01-08 17:13:41 <sipa> Diapolo: no clue
489 2013-01-08 17:15:20 <Diapolo> I also saw that dependency on mingw\bin\LIBSSP-0.DLL and thought about how to get rid of it though.
490 2013-01-08 17:15:54 <Diapolo> for my local build I have given up the work on a true static build ;) too time consuming
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494 2013-01-08 17:21:56 <Diapolo> sipa: LOL I found this one, where gmaxwell already participated: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=822312
495 2013-01-08 17:23:03 <sipa> ha
496 2013-01-08 17:25:54 <Diapolo> So -Wl,-static -lssp doesn't work, even with the new compiler suite?
497 2013-01-08 17:26:32 <wumpus> Diapolo: yes
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499 2013-01-08 17:27:20 <Diapolo> wumpus: hey mate :) I'm currently creating a screenie for you showing the differences with qSort() and without
500 2013-01-08 17:28:08 <wumpus> Diapolo: the list is *supposed* to remain in sorted order at all times, sure if you say there's a bug there I believe you 
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503 2013-01-08 17:30:25 <Diapolo> just a sec I'll upload to Github
504 2013-01-08 17:31:23 <Diapolo> wumpus: done
505 2013-01-08 17:33:21 <wumpus> yeah that's very clear
506 2013-01-08 17:34:05 <Diapolo> it was pretty damn ugly to debug that stuff for me bzw. ^^
507 2013-01-08 17:34:59 <wumpus> hehe well you managed to sort it out that's great 
508 2013-01-08 17:36:11 <Diapolo> thanks :)
509 2013-01-08 17:36:39 <Diapolo> you have currently very little free time? but it's nice to see you
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511 2013-01-08 17:39:54 <wumpus> yes...
512 2013-01-08 17:41:36 <Diapolo> sometimes I would love to see another Qt capable core dev ^^
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514 2013-01-08 17:45:14 <wumpus> well I suppose if there were to be another GUI core dev the obvious candidate would be you
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516 2013-01-08 17:46:41 <MC1984> pay in BTC refund in dolla dolla
517 2013-01-08 17:46:42 <MC1984> fuck that
518 2013-01-08 17:46:45 <Diapolo> that honors me, but I don't consider my skills anywhere near to be such a dev
519 2013-01-08 17:47:29 <Diapolo> as long as you are able to merge stuff that is correct I'm fine for the moment then :)
520 2013-01-08 17:49:10 <wumpus> sure, I'll keep reading pull requests, testing them and merging them
521 2013-01-08 17:51:20 <Diapolo> What is the best way to ping you for important stuff? Via IRC here?
522 2013-01-08 17:51:57 TD_ has quit (Quit: TD_)
523 2013-01-08 17:52:07 <wumpus> either that or send me a mail, that'll work for sure
524 2013-01-08 17:52:42 <Diapolo> yeah that's fine
525 2013-01-08 17:52:57 <wumpus> I generally see pings here too, but usually by that time you've left already :P
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527 2013-01-08 17:56:08 <Diapolo> I only join when I want to talk ^^
528 2013-01-08 17:57:41 <wumpus> ^^
529 2013-01-08 17:58:44 <sipa> ... why?
530 2013-01-08 17:59:11 <Diapolo> it would also be nice to get some insight on what part you think needs most love or which bug is most serious, I'm fine if you give some hints here and there and I'll take a look, when I have time and fun left
531 2013-01-08 17:59:24 <wumpus> the bugs assigned to me are most serious
532 2013-01-08 17:59:27 <Diapolo> sipa: because my PC is not on 24/7
533 2013-01-08 17:59:36 <sipa> Diapolo: neither is mine :p
534 2013-01-08 17:59:37 <wumpus> :P
535 2013-01-08 17:59:51 <Diapolo> i never understood, why idling in a channel would be a good idea
536 2013-01-08 18:00:09 <sipa> be able to read backlogs easily, or jump in when things are interesting
537 2013-01-08 18:00:38 <Diapolo> sipa: I like to focus on things, play a game, code or read in here ^^
538 2013-01-08 18:01:40 <wumpus> neither is mine, but I run quassel on a server, so my user remains on all the time and I can always connect, and read back when someone highlighted me 
539 2013-01-08 18:02:45 <Diapolo> quassel sounds rather german, lol
540 2013-01-08 18:03:51 <wumpus> it's a great program
541 2013-01-08 18:04:14 <wumpus> and the gui is Qt too :)
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543 2013-01-08 18:05:48 <wumpus> there's even an android client
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545 2013-01-08 18:06:06 <MobPhone> what client
546 2013-01-08 18:06:10 <MobPhone> android
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548 2013-01-08 18:07:05 <Diapolo> wumpus: I'll take a look at it :)
549 2013-01-08 18:07:44 <Diapolo> hey they are at 0.8 already sipa: what takes us so long ^^?
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551 2013-01-08 18:08:42 <MobPhone> wumpus what is the name of the android app
552 2013-01-08 18:08:45 someothernicknam is now known as nanotube
553 2013-01-08 18:09:10 <wumpus> MobPhone: quasseldroid
554 2013-01-08 18:09:20 <wumpus> Diapolo:that's not fair though, they started a loong time ago
555 2013-01-08 18:10:21 <Diapolo> :)
556 2013-01-08 18:11:15 <Pucilowski> Will using bitcoind via the RPC interface allow me to transfer unconfirmed balances in a similar nature to how blockchain.info does?
557 2013-01-08 18:11:50 <Luke-Jr> Pucilowski: explain?
558 2013-01-08 18:12:04 <Pucilowski> Bitcoin-qt does not let you send unconfirmed funds
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560 2013-01-08 18:12:18 <Pucilowski> Does bitcoind restrict this also?
561 2013-01-08 18:12:25 <Luke-Jr> Pucilowski: yes, it's non-trivial to not safely
562 2013-01-08 18:12:29 <Diapolo> sipa: it seems Tor added quite some DLLs to it's package did we ever consider such a thing?
563 2013-01-08 18:12:33 <Diapolo> http://archives.seul.org/or/cvs/Dec-2012/msg00193.html
564 2013-01-08 18:12:39 <Pucilowski> Luke-Jr: what do you mean?
565 2013-01-08 18:13:07 <Luke-Jr> Pucilowski: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/CVEs#CVE-2010-5140
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567 2013-01-08 18:13:59 <Pucilowski> That seems to only be an issue if there's no incentive for miners to add a tx
568 2013-01-08 18:14:15 <Pucilowski> Does blockchain.info use a custom bitcoin implementation then?
569 2013-01-08 18:14:22 <Luke-Jr> Pucilowski: as far as I know, they do
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572 2013-01-08 18:14:39 <Luke-Jr> Pucilowski: it's an issue if your unconfirmed coins never get confirmed
573 2013-01-08 18:14:45 <Luke-Jr> it will have a dominos effect
574 2013-01-08 18:14:56 <Pucilowski> not really what I'm asking about
575 2013-01-08 18:15:03 <Luke-Jr> Bitcoin-Qt and bitcoind *will* let you spend unconfirmed coins you sent yourself, note
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577 2013-01-08 18:15:16 <Luke-Jr> Pucilowski: well, that's why it's a hard problem to solve
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580 2013-01-08 18:16:19 <Pucilowski> Is there a bitcoind fork that allows me to send unconfirmed funds?
581 2013-01-08 18:16:33 <Pucilowski> or something similar, a setting, anything?
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583 2013-01-08 18:17:21 <Luke-Jr> Pucilowski: not afaik, but it shouldn't be hard to do
584 2013-01-08 18:17:27 <Luke-Jr> it's just asking for problems
585 2013-01-08 18:17:59 <Pucilowski> depends on circumstances
586 2013-01-08 18:19:49 <Dr-X> ;;ticker
587 2013-01-08 18:19:50 <gribble> BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 13.73407, Best ask: 13.80996, Bid-ask spread: 0.07589, Last trade: 13.68300, 24 hour volume: 46448.67401479, 24 hour low: 13.42200, 24 hour high: 13.83000, 24 hour vwap: 13.65164
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596 2013-01-08 18:35:24 <Pucilowski> Luke-Jr: whats the default behaviour of bitcoind when it broadcasts a tx, does it send to every peer or a selection?
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598 2013-01-08 18:38:40 <lianj> Pucilowski: sends a inv packet (announcing the tx hash) to everyone
599 2013-01-08 18:39:03 <lianj> peers that dont have it already ask or the tx to be send then
600 2013-01-08 18:42:06 <Pucilowski> i see, thanks
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610 2013-01-08 19:08:17 <MC1984> ........you turn your computer off?
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612 2013-01-08 19:15:38 <MC1984> that asic thread is so painful to read
613 2013-01-08 19:15:59 <MC1984> why the fuck cant anyone just ship the damn things
614 2013-01-08 19:16:29 Dr-X is now known as JohnGalt
615 2013-01-08 19:16:29 <MC1984> theres even market competition fer christ sake, its not like its just bfl
616 2013-01-08 19:18:12 BTCOxygen is now known as btcasic
617 2013-01-08 19:21:23 <JohnGalt> ;;tslb
618 2013-01-08 19:21:26 <gribble> Time since last block: 8 minutes and 8 seconds
619 2013-01-08 19:21:50 <BlueMatt> grau: ping
620 2013-01-08 19:21:56 <grau> pong
621 2013-01-08 19:22:08 <BlueMatt> sorry, keep seeing your messages but you keep being offline by the time im here
622 2013-01-08 19:22:10 <BlueMatt> anywhoo...
623 2013-01-08 19:22:30 <BlueMatt> what you're looking for is here: https://code.google.com/r/bluemattme-bitcoinj/source/detail?r=8d318e905036be89d34cb543b347edde53f2cf40&name=newscripts
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626 2013-01-08 19:23:20 <grau> Thanks a lot. I looked into the MANIFEST of the jar yesterday and found it via google
627 2013-01-08 19:23:58 <BlueMatt> ah, ok
628 2013-01-08 19:24:15 <grau> Your tester is nice.
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630 2013-01-08 19:24:38 <grau> It compiles quite wierd scenarios
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632 2013-01-08 19:25:10 <BlueMatt> thanks, i added a few more the other day, though nothing particularly interesting...there are still a number of things i want to hit (like more testing of the block timestamp acceptance stuff)
633 2013-01-08 19:25:25 <BlueMatt> and some of the other fun tests that are in testnet3
634 2013-01-08 19:25:38 <BlueMatt> though pull-tester hasn't been updated yet
635 2013-01-08 19:26:45 <grau> You formulate your test in code, while I would want to get others into a script, since your code depends on bitcoinj and so creator of new tests has to know that
636 2013-01-08 19:27:28 <grau> did you read our long chat with gmaxwell and sipa about that ? if what is your opinion on the approach I suggested?
637 2013-01-08 19:27:35 <grau> if not I am happy to repeat
638 2013-01-08 19:28:31 <BlueMatt> i did not, but...yea id like to export those blocks from bitcoinj to a generic json file with the blocks mined
639 2013-01-08 19:28:40 <BlueMatt> but there are still a few tests to add, so...i havent yet
640 2013-01-08 19:29:01 <grau> great! that is also my thinking
641 2013-01-08 19:29:09 <grau> I suggest not json but jbehave format
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644 2013-01-08 19:29:20 <grau> look up jbehave.org if not yet familiar
645 2013-01-08 19:29:27 <BlueMatt> json is the format of all the other data-driven tests, so Id stick with the same
646 2013-01-08 19:29:37 <BlueMatt> (as you should be testing with the other data-driven tests too, so...)
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648 2013-01-08 19:29:50 <grau> json can be the format of the data referred in the jbehave
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650 2013-01-08 19:30:17 <stealth222> BlueMatt: I was getting disk space errors from your tester earlier
651 2013-01-08 19:30:31 <BlueMatt> yep, known issue
652 2013-01-08 19:30:36 <BlueMatt> removing old binaries...
653 2013-01-08 19:30:46 <BlueMatt> do you happen to have a list of pulls that need reset?
654 2013-01-08 19:30:54 <BlueMatt> I just know 2157 does
655 2013-01-08 19:31:00 <stealth222> 2156
656 2013-01-08 19:31:05 <BlueMatt> thanks
657 2013-01-08 19:31:07 <stealth222> err
658 2013-01-08 19:31:08 <stealth222> sorry
659 2013-01-08 19:31:13 <stealth222> 2154
660 2013-01-08 19:31:19 <BlueMatt> ok
661 2013-01-08 19:32:03 <BlueMatt> ok...removed bins/logs of tests older than 150 days, will reset
662 2013-01-08 19:33:01 <stealth222> sweet, thanks
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664 2013-01-08 19:33:23 <grau> BlueMatt: are you with me on this: The data e.g. the blocks and transactions should be serialized in json. I suggest the jbehave format to describe how dose data are feeded and how feed links with expected responses. I also suggest to add more than black box testing using P2P but also using API to query internal state of the noode as it gets feed.
665 2013-01-08 19:33:52 <stealth222> I don't agree that the internal serialization should be json
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667 2013-01-08 19:34:00 <stealth222> for RPC, sure
668 2013-01-08 19:34:02 <stealth222> but internally, no
669 2013-01-08 19:34:27 <grau> ou would prefer some wire hex dump ?
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671 2013-01-08 19:34:38 <BlueMatt> its not inernal, its just test-cases...
672 2013-01-08 19:34:48 <BlueMatt> see https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/tree/master/src/test/data
673 2013-01-08 19:35:05 <grau> Yes I use those too
674 2013-01-08 19:35:08 <stealth222> oh, that...yeah, just encountered it for the first time today
675 2013-01-08 19:35:35 <grau> so you would store the blocktester mined test chain in json ?
676 2013-01-08 19:35:42 <BlueMatt> grau: if you'd like to convert existing things to jbehave as an example, then Id be willing to format my tests that way (when i eventually create them......) however, i will probably be lazy and just do them in a similar format to those tests for now
677 2013-01-08 19:36:23 <grau> ok, I think its best you wait and see a complete example and then we discuss it again
678 2013-01-08 19:36:51 <BlueMatt> sounds good, Im also lazy and learning a new format... :)
679 2013-01-08 19:37:10 <gmaxwell> grau: have you run his tests against your code yet?
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681 2013-01-08 19:37:18 <grau> I understand. Lazyness is the driver of big inventions for me too,
682 2013-01-08 19:37:29 <BlueMatt> (also, dont expect any progress on moving the tests any time soon, they get run now, so im not in any particular hurry to move them to unit-tests, as much as that would be nice)
683 2013-01-08 19:37:35 <grau> gmaxwell: sorry no time at hand during the week
684 2013-01-08 19:37:44 <gmaxwell> Okay.
685 2013-01-08 19:38:40 <grau> I promise to do it before the end of the weekend perhabs earlier
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724 2013-01-08 21:17:59 <gmaxwell> I don't suppose Sergio bothered giving anyone a heads up on this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135385.0
725 2013-01-08 21:18:55 <sipa> nope
726 2013-01-08 21:21:15 <gavinandresen> nope
727 2013-01-08 21:21:25 <gavinandresen> I'm all:  "meh"
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729 2013-01-08 21:22:11 <abracadabra> meh
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731 2013-01-08 21:22:15 <abracadabra> guess i'll update
732 2013-01-08 21:23:10 <lianj> gavinandresen: why meh?
733 2013-01-08 21:23:23 <gavinandresen> lianj: because it is an expensive attack that is trivial to recover from
734 2013-01-08 21:23:27 <TD_> there are about a million ways to DoS nodes anyway
735 2013-01-08 21:23:33 <gavinandresen> ... so why would an attacker bother?
736 2013-01-08 21:23:35 <TD_> if that's the worst vulnerability someone can find, we're doing o
737 2013-01-08 21:23:36 <TD_> ok
738 2013-01-08 21:23:42 <lianj> gavinandresen: right
739 2013-01-08 21:24:42 <gavinandresen> even if the attacker was successful, the person attacked would probably not even notice:  "oh, bitcoin crashed.  But it works fine when I restart... weird."
740 2013-01-08 21:24:50 <lianj> typo s/magabyte/megabyte/
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742 2013-01-08 21:27:19 <lianj> or what are magabytes?
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746 2013-01-08 21:29:42 <RBecker> m
747 2013-01-08 21:30:41 <gavinandresen> sipa gmaxwell : I spent most of today on QA process stuff:  https://github.com/bitcoin/QA   ... and creating a couple of test plans, for the hardlink pull request and spendfrom.py
748 2013-01-08 21:30:45 <lianj> oh nevermind, my brain tricked my into thinking the typo appeared twice, but it just one, so sorry for making fun of it
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751 2013-01-08 21:33:19 <MC1984> what is the installer for windows, is it NSIS?
752 2013-01-08 21:33:26 <sipa> yes
753 2013-01-08 21:34:17 <MC1984> it would be nice if it detected where bitcoin is already installed, for upgrade installs
754 2013-01-08 21:34:50 <MC1984> i just ran into that and it led to the URI handler getting registered to the wrong directory on my system
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800 2013-01-08 23:02:55 <helo> hang the client in two minutes with 500kB/s?
801 2013-01-08 23:05:39 <gmaxwell> helo: hang 0.6.2 or below.
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804 2013-01-08 23:07:05 <gmaxwell> assuming you have a 40 mbit/sec+ connection to it and that you can actually produce 40mbit/sec of bitcoin messages at it.
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