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 18 2013-01-15 01:13:38 <dhill> EXCEPTION: St9bad_alloc
 19 2013-01-15 01:13:39 <dhill> std::bad_alloc
 20 2013-01-15 01:13:39 <dhill> bitcoin in ProcessMessages()
 21 2013-01-15 01:14:02 <dhill> hit that all the time.. and corrupts my .dat files
 22 2013-01-15 01:14:19 <dhill> 0.7.2
 23 2013-01-15 01:14:47 <sipa> how much RAM do you have?
 24 2013-01-15 01:15:19 <dhill> 1GB
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 26 2013-01-15 01:15:40 <dhill> i notice util.cpp doesn't check the return value of vsnprintf to be -1
 27 2013-01-15 01:15:51 <dhill> what if ret == -1?
 28 2013-01-15 01:15:55 <sipa> which OS?
 29 2013-01-15 01:15:59 <dhill> openbsd
 30 2013-01-15 01:16:06 <dhill> boost 1.52.0
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 34 2013-01-15 01:17:18 <sipa> patches welcome, if you can find the problem
 35 2013-01-15 01:17:26 <dhill> yea, i am looking :)
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 37 2013-01-15 01:18:22 <dhill> i am thinking it gets stuck in a loop
 38 2013-01-15 01:18:37 <dhill> maybe cause vsnprintf is returning -1
 39 2013-01-15 01:18:57 <dhill> i'll add a check for that and see what happens
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 56 2013-01-15 01:30:03 <dhill> this vstrprintf
 57 2013-01-15 01:30:42 <dhill> couldn't you get rid of that loop by just using vasprintf ?
 58 2013-01-15 01:31:11 <sipa> vasprintf is a GNU extension afaik
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 62 2013-01-15 01:34:10 <sipa> so it won't be available on some supported systems
 63 2013-01-15 01:35:58 <dhill> ok
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224 2013-01-15 13:21:40 <ThomasV> is there an example or tutorial on how to create p2sh transactions?
225 2013-01-15 13:22:40 <sipa> ThomasV: i believe gmaxwell made one, at some point; don't know where it is
226 2013-01-15 13:23:00 <sipa> ThomasV: what data do you need exactly for an electrum server (regarding rpcs/indexes?)
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228 2013-01-15 13:24:27 <ThomasV> sipa: electrum servers use a table of addresses-> unspent coins
229 2013-01-15 13:24:55 <sipa> just unspent? so you can't request history?
230 2013-01-15 13:25:28 <ThomasV> it depends. there are pruning servers (that's what I was referring to), and full servers (these severs use abe)
231 2013-01-15 13:25:38 <ThomasV> so, full servers have the complete history
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233 2013-01-15 13:26:39 <ThomasV> but the pruning servers still store the fact that an address has a non-empty history, even if its outputs are fully spent
234 2013-01-15 13:27:09 <sipa> i c
235 2013-01-15 13:27:47 <ThomasV> the pruning servers now work well, and they require only a minor patch to bitcoind
236 2013-01-15 13:28:05 <sipa> which does what?
237 2013-01-15 13:28:32 <sipa> (i'm working on optional indexes in bitcoind)
238 2013-01-15 13:28:33 <ThomasV> oh, that's the pull request I submitted. it adds a height parameter to gettransactionbyid
239 2013-01-15 13:29:09 <ThomasV> I think you saw it
240 2013-01-15 13:30:06 <sipa> hmm? which pull#?
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242 2013-01-15 13:32:07 <ThomasV> hmm, I don't find it anymore :P
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244 2013-01-15 13:34:31 <sipa> anyway, a pruning server doesn't require any by-address lookup ability in bitcoind?
245 2013-01-15 13:34:36 <ThomasV> sipa: here is the patch I use in electrum: https://github.com/spesmilo/electrum-server/blob/master/patch/patch
246 2013-01-15 13:34:53 <ThomasV> no, because it builds its own index
247 2013-01-15 13:35:22 <ThomasV> of course it would be faster if the index was in bitcoind, but you might not like the idea of an ever growing index
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249 2013-01-15 13:35:41 <sipa> ThomasV: i don't, but i suppose people will want it anyway
250 2013-01-15 13:35:43 <ThomasV> (the index stores addresses even if they are fully spent)
251 2013-01-15 13:36:13 <sipa> and if the alternative is them using a centralized service, i certainly prefer it being available as an optional feature in bitcoind
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253 2013-01-15 13:36:52 <ThomasV> electrum is not really a centralized service, if that's what you mean
254 2013-01-15 13:37:05 <doublec> ThomasV: maybe this https://people.xiph.org/~greg/escrowexample.txt
255 2013-01-15 13:37:29 <ThomasV> doublec: thanks
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257 2013-01-15 13:37:34 <doublec> np
258 2013-01-15 13:37:43 <sipa> ThomasV: by centralized service i was mostly referring to blockchain.info
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260 2013-01-15 13:38:13 <sipa> i prefer things that don't need any "fat server" at all (like electrum), though
261 2013-01-15 13:38:24 <ThomasV> oh yes, it will hurt when blockchain.info's page is replaced by the FBI's eagle
262 2013-01-15 13:39:37 <ThomasV> electrum's pruning servers are not much fatter than bitcoind itself
263 2013-01-15 13:40:00 <epscy> adding some of blockchain.info's functionality to bitcoind?
264 2013-01-15 13:40:35 <sipa> ThomasV: agree, that's just a constant factor of overhead
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266 2013-01-15 13:41:12 <petertodd> sipa: how much work would it be right now to add indexes for at least the txout set? you know, lookup by address and the like? or is someone already on that?
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268 2013-01-15 13:44:56 <sipa> petertodd: a bit more than for all chain, as the interface to the utxo set has some caching layers in between, that would need to deal with the index too
269 2013-01-15 13:45:52 <petertodd> interesting, alright, how much work for at least all chain as an intermediary step? (my app just needs the txout set btw)
270 2013-01-15 13:46:06 <sipa> petertodd: i already have a prototype of that
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272 2013-01-15 13:46:17 <petertodd> perfect, where is it?
273 2013-01-15 13:46:24 <sipa> i don't think i've pushed it
274 2013-01-15 13:46:28 <sipa> it's not really useful yet
275 2013-01-15 13:46:53 <petertodd> doesn't work yet?
276 2013-01-15 13:47:10 <sipa> it indexes based on output script, so it distinguishes between a pay-to-pubkey and pay-to-pubkeyhash
277 2013-01-15 13:47:38 <sipa> and the RPC to request information from it crashes if you ask too much :p
278 2013-01-15 13:47:54 <petertodd> for my purposes I can live with that
279 2013-01-15 13:48:33 <petertodd> it'll be awhile before the app is actually usable too, so I'm ok if everything is in flux
280 2013-01-15 13:48:48 <petertodd> (fidelity-bonded banking)
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290 2013-01-15 13:56:05 <ThomasV> doublec: "Carbide81 wants to pay carbide80 50tnbtc but prevent carebide80 from cheating him." <-- was that written by Luke-Jr ??
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293 2013-01-15 13:56:26 <ThomasV> I mean, 50tnbtc...
294 2013-01-15 13:56:30 <Luke-Jr> ThomasV: of course not, why would I write that?
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296 2013-01-15 13:56:45 <ThomasV> Luke-Jr: because it sounds tonal
297 2013-01-15 13:56:49 <Luke-Jr> it's not
298 2013-01-15 13:57:01 <Luke-Jr> TNBTC = BTC on Testnet
299 2013-01-15 13:57:07 <ThomasV> oh sorry
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301 2013-01-15 13:57:30 <ThomasV> yeah, I should have seen the '2'
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318 2013-01-15 14:19:06 <ThomasV> are there already wallets that use p2sh for two-factor authentication?
319 2013-01-15 14:21:32 <Luke-Jr> not afaik
320 2013-01-15 14:22:00 <kinlo> is the stock bitcoin client now not yet fully ready?
321 2013-01-15 14:22:40 <Luke-Jr> kinlo: Bitcoin-Qt has no support for it yet
322 2013-01-15 14:22:48 <ThomasV> isn't etotheipi working on that?
323 2013-01-15 14:22:49 <kinlo> cli wise
324 2013-01-15 14:22:59 <Luke-Jr> kinlo: only if you do the heavy lifting externally
325 2013-01-15 14:23:06 <sipa> kinlo: using the raw transaction API, it's possible
326 2013-01-15 14:23:17 <sipa> but it basically requires you managing your wallet manually
327 2013-01-15 14:23:18 <kinlo> hmmmz, I'm missing a call to figure out which transactions are unspent
328 2013-01-15 14:23:24 <sipa> listunspent
329 2013-01-15 14:23:24 <kinlo> but besides that, it seems complete
330 2013-01-15 14:23:58 <Luke-Jr> sipa: that works for multisig that you have only 1 key for?
331 2013-01-15 14:24:19 <kinlo> oh, so basicly, it should be finished...
332 2013-01-15 14:24:39 <kinlo> for those using some kind of api
333 2013-01-15 14:24:44 <sipa> Luke-Jr: if you know the p2sh address, i suppose that should work
334 2013-01-15 14:24:46 <kinlo> s/api/own tool/
335 2013-01-15 14:24:48 <sipa> haven't tried
336 2013-01-15 14:25:05 <sipa> Luke-Jr: if it's known to your wallet, it will track it
337 2013-01-15 14:25:09 <sipa> iirc
338 2013-01-15 14:25:26 <Luke-Jr> sipa: but IsMine still returns false unless you have all the keys
339 2013-01-15 14:25:28 <kinlo> so basicly, you just need to add the multisig address to your wallet
340 2013-01-15 14:25:41 <sipa> Luke-Jr: hmm, ok
341 2013-01-15 14:25:43 <sipa> so, no
342 2013-01-15 14:25:51 <sipa> you need an own wallet implementation :)
343 2013-01-15 14:25:59 <kinlo> that sucks :)
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345 2013-01-15 14:26:58 <sipa> i suppose you'd need something between IsMine (= i have exclusive ownership) and IsTracked (= wallet tracks it)
346 2013-01-15 14:27:12 <sipa> where you can have a P2SH address tracked, and have it show up in listunspent
347 2013-01-15 14:27:32 <sipa> but not have it consider for outgoing payments
348 2013-01-15 14:27:54 <sipa> seems also useful for watch-only stuff
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350 2013-01-15 14:30:58 <kinlo> mmmz, it would be interesting if that was already available so we could start using it already
351 2013-01-15 14:31:18 <kinlo> I've got an idea about a service I want to create but it requires the api to be fully complete
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431 2013-01-15 16:36:44 <billybb> hi
432 2013-01-15 16:37:02 <Diapolo> Freenode SSL cert is invalid... any news when they issue a new one?
433 2013-01-15 16:40:19 <nanotube> you could ask on #freenode ...
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439 2013-01-15 16:47:03 <t7`> Diablo-D3, run out today?
440 2013-01-15 16:47:26 <t7`> the one on the irc server help page says it runs out in 2020 but the one with my client ran out today
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445 2013-01-15 16:51:38 <Diapolo> yeah today, btw. im NOT Diablo-D3 ^^
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447 2013-01-15 16:52:04 <Luke-Jr> yeah, don't insult Diapolo like that ;)
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449 2013-01-15 16:52:41 <Diapolo> Luke-Jr: :-P nice you like me more ^^
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487 2013-01-15 18:07:26 <amiller_> what's the current status of the DNS seed rules?
488 2013-01-15 18:07:49 <amiller_> according to notes here https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/709 the idea is the behavior of dns seeds should be public policy
489 2013-01-15 18:08:12 <midnightmagic> amiller_: Most if not all of them have source available.
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491 2013-01-15 18:08:20 <amiller_> jgarzik's is the wiki list of fallback nodes, bluematt's seed is described here https://github.com/TheBlueMatt/dnsseed
492 2013-01-15 18:08:30 <gmaxwell> amiller_: the source is available when there is source at all.
493 2013-01-15 18:08:48 <BlueMatt> amiller_: nope, thats the old one
494 2013-01-15 18:08:57 <BlueMatt> amiller_: dont know that anyone runs that one anymore...
495 2013-01-15 18:08:57 <gmaxwell> (the source to jgarzik is not available, though I heard his wife is working on a fork)
496 2013-01-15 18:09:09 <BlueMatt> amiller_: dnsseed.bluematt.me is bitcoinj-based
497 2013-01-15 18:09:21 <midnightmagic> amiller_: Some people implied to me that if I write my own and put it on a reliable server (and publish source) that there's a good chance it'll make it into the dns seeds list..
498 2013-01-15 18:09:41 <BlueMatt> amiller_: though i think Luke-Jr and sipa both run sipa's dnsseed
499 2013-01-15 18:09:47 <gmaxwell> midnightmagic: ideally with some TLD diversity.
500 2013-01-15 18:09:56 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: heh
501 2013-01-15 18:09:58 <midnightmagic> gmaxwell: I have .ca :-)
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503 2013-01-15 18:10:35 <midnightmagic> hrm..  and .bit too, for what it's worth these days. sigh.
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505 2013-01-15 18:12:03 <midnightmagic> jgarzik's seed is closed?
506 2013-01-15 18:12:04 <amiller_> ok found it https://github.com/sipa/bitcoin-seeder
507 2013-01-15 18:12:11 <amiller_> so that accounts for two of the four
508 2013-01-15 18:12:20 <BlueMatt> midnightmagic: jgarzik doesnt have a dnsseed
509 2013-01-15 18:12:26 <BlueMatt> midnightmagic: just a static list
510 2013-01-15 18:12:33 <midnightmagic> ah!
511 2013-01-15 18:12:41 <midnightmagic> cool
512 2013-01-15 18:12:56 <gmaxwell> midnightmagic: Note that I said the source to _jgarzik_ isn't available.
513 2013-01-15 18:13:09 <midnightmagic> gmaxwell: Hence bluematt's "heh".
514 2013-01-15 18:13:12 <gmaxwell> I understand the fork is being made by binary patching. :P
515 2013-01-15 18:13:25 <BlueMatt> midnightmagic: gmaxwell was making a pun on the fact that jgarzik's wife is expecting baby verry soon
516 2013-01-15 18:13:26 <midnightmagic> I've never seen you make a semi-dirty joke before. :)
517 2013-01-15 18:14:02 <amiller_> hah, that joke went over my head... even though i sat for a while thinking about how to make it into a joke about kids and then decide it wasn't gonna be funny :/
518 2013-01-15 18:14:12 <midnightmagic> :-)
519 2013-01-15 18:14:27 <Luke-Jr> midnightmagic: nothing dirty about forking!
520 2013-01-15 18:14:47 <midnightmagic> Luke-Jr: Depends on how you phrase a joke about it!
521 2013-01-15 18:15:21 <midnightmagic> Luke-Jr: Also, "Good pun, paranomasiac!"
522 2013-01-15 18:15:48 <midnightmagic> paro..?
523 2013-01-15 18:16:06 <midnightmagic> paro.
524 2013-01-15 18:16:07 <amiller_> BlueMatt, did you modify bitcoinj to be a dnsseed, is that published?
525 2013-01-15 18:16:30 <BlueMatt> amiller_: its just a very poorly written app which uses bitcoinj
526 2013-01-15 18:16:45 <BlueMatt> it hasnt been published atm, no
527 2013-01-15 18:16:47 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: oh you replaced the old one?
528 2013-01-15 18:16:55 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: yea, the php one was awful
529 2013-01-15 18:16:57 <amiller_> ok so it would just behave roughly equivalent to an ordinary p2p nodes query
530 2013-01-15 18:16:59 <BlueMatt> the bitcoinj one is only bad
531 2013-01-15 18:17:12 <BlueMatt> amiller_: they all er
532 2013-01-15 18:17:13 <BlueMatt> are
533 2013-01-15 18:17:23 <gmaxwell> well jeff isn't.
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537 2013-01-15 18:17:37 <gmaxwell> But sipa's is... it does some logic about which nodes it excludes.
538 2013-01-15 18:18:15 <Joric> does bootstrap.dat really speed up things? i see no essential difference
539 2013-01-15 18:20:41 <Joric> also it would be great if bdb wouldn't be so fragile
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543 2013-01-15 18:23:58 <sipa> Joric: compared to what?
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545 2013-01-15 18:24:42 <Joric> compared to usual bootstrap
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547 2013-01-15 18:25:01 <sipa> BlueMatt: from what i see on g+, jgarzik's child node has been instanciated succesfully
548 2013-01-15 18:25:08 <midnightmagic> yay
549 2013-01-15 18:25:47 <BlueMatt> sipa: ahh, nice
550 2013-01-15 18:26:20 <sipa> Joric: well, the block fetching logic is quite crappy and can get confused when a new block is announced during IBD, or the sync node goes away
551 2013-01-15 18:26:21 <Joric> idk maybe it's because of slow cpu here and the whole bottleneck is verification
552 2013-01-15 18:26:27 <sipa> Joric: so it can stall for several minutes
553 2013-01-15 18:28:12 <Joric> i thought it would import the whole blockchain.dat at once without querying the network
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555 2013-01-15 18:28:32 <sipa> Joric: yes
556 2013-01-15 18:28:48 <sipa> so that's the difference with network IBD
557 2013-01-15 18:28:55 <Joric> it didn't, maybe i forgot to give a key?
558 2013-01-15 18:29:04 <sipa> ... a key?
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563 2013-01-15 18:30:05 <Joric> i run 0.7.2 on linux i downloaded bootstrap.dat (2.4 gb) to the datadir looks it won't import it automatically
564 2013-01-15 18:30:36 <sipa> why does it look like that?
565 2013-01-15 18:31:19 <Joric> well it's been 5 hours since it started and blk0001.dat is just 500 mb
566 2013-01-15 18:31:40 <sipa> do you see the GUI?
567 2013-01-15 18:31:48 <Joric> nope, console version
568 2013-01-15 18:31:56 <sipa> is it RPC reachable?
569 2013-01-15 18:32:08 <Joric> yeah it should be
570 2013-01-15 18:32:30 <sipa> 0.7.x imports bootstrap.dat before the node is started
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574 2013-01-15 18:35:09 <sipa> Joric: should it be, or is it? :p
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576 2013-01-15 18:37:21 <Joric> oh you mean it won't work before it would be fully imported well seems it's just ignoring bootstrap.dat in a whole
577 2013-01-15 18:37:36 <sipa> indeed
578 2013-01-15 18:38:28 <sipa> it should write "Importing bootstrap blockchain data file." to debug.log
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580 2013-01-15 18:38:44 <sipa> and rename to bootstrap.dat.old after import
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586 2013-01-15 18:41:40 <Joric> well it's not happening i have no idea why i placed it in a data directory and gave a proper -datadir
587 2013-01-15 18:42:02 <sipa> and it's called exactly bootstrap.dat ?
588 2013-01-15 18:42:14 <Joric> yep
589 2013-01-15 18:42:15 <sipa> and in the directory supplied as -datadir ?
590 2013-01-15 18:42:19 <Joric> yep
591 2013-01-15 18:42:26 <sipa> very strange
592 2013-01-15 18:42:43 <Joric> bitcoind is from bitcoin.org, 0.7.2
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594 2013-01-15 18:43:30 <sipa> and nothing about boostrap in debug.log at startup?
595 2013-01-15 18:44:37 <Joric> nothing, it just starts bootstrapping from the network
596 2013-01-15 18:45:02 <sipa> and it also reports beging 0.7.2? (first line in debug.log)
597 2013-01-15 18:45:11 <sipa> or getinfo
598 2013-01-15 18:46:38 <Joric> Bitcoin version v0.7.2-beta
599 2013-01-15 18:47:17 <Joric> doesn't mention bootstrap.dat in log
600 2013-01-15 18:47:31 <sipa> just "bootstrap"
601 2013-01-15 18:47:42 <Joric> either
602 2013-01-15 18:48:33 <sipa> just check the 0.7.2 source... i see no way how it could not see it
603 2013-01-15 18:48:42 <Joric> allright
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607 2013-01-15 18:49:02 <sipa> well apparently not
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611 2013-01-15 18:51:11 <Joric> filesystem::path pathBootstrap = GetDataDir() / "bootstrap.dat"; the hell is that, c++11 ?
612 2013-01-15 18:51:41 <Joric> what / does it concatenates strings or what
613 2013-01-15 18:51:51 <sipa> it's boost
614 2013-01-15 18:52:00 <Joric> ah, boost
615 2013-01-15 18:52:28 <sipa> GetDataDir() returns a boost::filesystem::path, and operator/ is overloaded to do pathname composition
616 2013-01-15 18:52:31 <kjj> c++ allows operator overloading.  in this case operator/(path,string) returns another path
617 2013-01-15 18:52:55 <Joric> no shit
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619 2013-01-15 18:53:13 <Joric> i really don't get why it skips bootstrap.dat in my case
620 2013-01-15 18:53:33 <kjj> permissions?
621 2013-01-15 18:54:02 <sipa> even if the file just exist, it should say "importing"
622 2013-01-15 18:54:42 <Joric> same with 777
623 2013-01-15 18:54:45 <sipa> try adding a printf("Bootstrap path: %s\n", pathBootstrap.string().c_str()); there?
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625 2013-01-15 18:55:48 <Joric> not sure it will build boost on this machine in the nearest 4 hours
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627 2013-01-15 18:56:16 <sipa> no need to build boost... unless you're on gentoo
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629 2013-01-15 18:58:38 <Cusipzzz> on bitcoind does -nolisten still work? or is it -listen 0 now?
630 2013-01-15 18:58:48 <Cusipzzz> 7.x
631 2013-01-15 18:58:57 <sipa> Cusipzzz: -nolisten or -listen=0 should both work
632 2013-01-15 18:59:04 <sipa> unsure about -listen 0
633 2013-01-15 18:59:10 <Cusipzzz> sipa: thanks
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635 2013-01-15 19:03:29 <CluckCreek> What does getblockcount return when there are two chains of equal length (ie, one or more blocks is about to be orphaned)?
636 2013-01-15 19:06:32 <sipa> it returns the number of blocks in the currently active chain
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638 2013-01-15 19:07:36 <sipa> Joric: try importing it manually with -loadblock=/path/to/bootstrap.dat ?
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641 2013-01-15 19:08:44 <CluckCreek> sipa: But does the "active chain" end at the split, or does it pick one chain until one of them is longer. What I'm wondering is wherther if I call getblockhash on the number returned by getblockcount, can I be sure that the hash returned is for the only block currently known to be at that height?
642 2013-01-15 19:10:05 <sipa> there can be multiple blocks with the same height, but only one can be active at a given time
643 2013-01-15 19:10:48 <sipa> height is the length of the chain, i.e. the distance from genesis
644 2013-01-15 19:10:56 <Joric> sipa, does -loadblock do exactly the same?
645 2013-01-15 19:11:12 <sipa> Joric: 3~~~3~~~3
646 2013-01-15 19:11:41 <sipa> Joric: ehh... yes
647 2013-01-15 19:11:53 <sipa> wth was that
648 2013-01-15 19:15:00 <CluckCreek> I understand that, I'm just trying to figure out if bitcoind picks one chain to be active when there are two chains of equal length, or if it behaves as if there is no block at the last height until the conflict is resolved. Or if bitcoind behaves in some other way.
649 2013-01-15 19:15:54 <kjj> the first one it sees is the active one, until the ambiguity is resolved by one or the other growing
650 2013-01-15 19:16:08 <CluckCreek> okay, thanks
651 2013-01-15 19:22:22 <Joric> sipa, fopen fails - Error opening file: Value too large for defined data type.
652 2013-01-15 19:22:37 <Joric> seems like 32-bit os limit
653 2013-01-15 19:23:18 <Joric> you dragged me into investigating it all by myself, you fox
654 2013-01-15 19:24:45 <Joric> FILE *file = fopen(pathBootstrap.string().c_str(), "rb"); <- Value too large for defined data type.
655 2013-01-15 19:25:37 <Joric> wait it maybe a printf error above let me see
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657 2013-01-15 19:27:20 <Joric> nope seems like a legit fopen error
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659 2013-01-15 19:27:51 <Joric> gotta try #define _FILE_OFFSET_BITS 64
660 2013-01-15 19:29:40 <Joric> works fine now
661 2013-01-15 19:30:31 <Joric> seems 0.7.2 wasn't patched for that
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663 2013-01-15 19:31:43 <Joric> you maybe should've built it with -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64
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665 2013-01-15 19:39:06 <Joric> looks you patched that 3 months ago and it still didn't get to 0.7.2
666 2013-01-15 19:42:11 <Joric> the bad thing it fails silently theres even no warnings that file can't be opened
667 2013-01-15 19:42:30 <Joric> i just spent a hour finding that out
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669 2013-01-15 19:46:12 <Luke-Jr> Joric: what master commit id?
670 2013-01-15 19:46:41 <jgarzik_> sipa: FWIW, 0.7.0 does not automatically import bootstrap.dat.  That starts with 0.7.1.
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672 2013-01-15 19:46:50 <Joric> apparently that https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/1951
673 2013-01-15 19:47:16 <Joric> or that https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1962
674 2013-01-15 19:47:26 <sipa> jgarzik: sure
675 2013-01-15 19:47:59 <Joric> check fopen next time! )
676 2013-01-15 19:48:20 <Luke-Jr> Joric: I see no sign of it in master, so it won't be in any stable backports
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678 2013-01-15 19:48:31 <sipa> Joric: it was known to me that it couldn't *seek* beyond 2GB
679 2013-01-15 19:48:49 <sipa> Joric: but that it completely fails to open is a surprisr
680 2013-01-15 19:49:03 <Joric> well it doesn't open it as well file handler was 0
681 2013-01-15 19:49:22 <Luke-Jr> Joric: I don't see how #1962 is related, and it doesn't look like a bugfix at all?
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686 2013-01-15 19:50:53 <sipa> 1962 is a fix for 1952
687 2013-01-15 19:51:02 <Joric> not sure about seeking, i'm just telling fopen fails without -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64
688 2013-01-15 19:51:02 <sipa> but that is not Joric's problem
689 2013-01-15 19:53:44 <sipa> eh, a fix for 1951
690 2013-01-15 19:53:48 <Joric> it needs a warning and maybe #define _FILE_OFFSET_BITS 64 somewhere in the header
691 2013-01-15 19:54:25 <Joric> or maybe not, who uses 32-bit systems nowadays
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693 2013-01-15 19:54:49 <sipa> Joric: windows users, mostl
694 2013-01-15 19:55:01 <sipa> but those don't seem to have that problem
695 2013-01-15 19:55:17 <Joric> yeah i don't remember that on vc either
696 2013-01-15 19:56:21 <Luke-Jr> I use 32-bit.
697 2013-01-15 19:56:56 <Joric> well, try loading a large bootstrap.dat
698 2013-01-15 19:57:03 <sipa> but... that is ridiculous
699 2013-01-15 19:57:31 <sipa> surely 32-bit linuxes can work with >2GiB files
700 2013-01-15 19:57:50 <Joric> http://compgroups.net/comp.unix.programmer/fopen-file-size-limitation/142420
701 2013-01-15 19:57:54 <Luke-Jr> I have much>2GB files for my VMs
702 2013-01-15 19:58:39 <Luke-Jr> bbiab
703 2013-01-15 20:00:49 <sipa> interesting
704 2013-01-15 20:01:22 <Joric> i run ubuntu 10.04 i386
705 2013-01-15 20:02:00 <sipa> where did you put that define to make it work?
706 2013-01-15 20:02:13 <Joric> just on the top of init.cpp
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714 2013-01-15 20:14:47 <Joric> http://kotaku.com/5975610/the-exceptional-beauty-of-doom-3s-source-code?post=56177550 funny i always thought karmack is a lousy coder seems those hipsters just love him
715 2013-01-15 20:15:25 <Joric> via http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5055808
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717 2013-01-15 20:18:03 <Joric> 'The Exceptional Beauty' lol
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720 2013-01-15 20:26:57 <gmaxwell> https://en.bitcoin.it/w/index.php?title=Economic_majority&diff=34859&oldid=27978
721 2013-01-15 20:27:01 * gmaxwell facepalm
722 2013-01-15 20:27:46 <Luke-Jr> :p
723 2013-01-15 20:28:03 * jgarzik once again wishes for a wiki-like document hosting service where people approve edits (and editors)
724 2013-01-15 20:28:05 <Joric> all power to miners!
725 2013-01-15 20:28:21 <jgarzik> anyone-can-edit is pre-lulz
726 2013-01-15 20:28:27 <gmaxwell> Joric: it's especially funny because that page was purely about explaining how that wasn't the case!
727 2013-01-15 20:28:52 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: it works well for a lot of stuff.. though best when people are actively paying attention to fix stuff. Thanks, Luke-Jr.
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729 2013-01-15 20:29:53 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: it does suggest that page needs some clarification, though - this smtp guy doesn't feel like a troll
730 2013-01-15 20:30:02 <Luke-Jr> so I'd guess he was genuinely confused by the page
731 2013-01-15 20:30:44 <jgarzik> smtp seems a bit hyperbolic on the forums (like me!) but does not seem like a genuine troll.  Maybe I'm wrong.
732 2013-01-15 20:30:53 <jgarzik> He seems to be trying to understand the details.
733 2013-01-15 20:31:28 <Luke-Jr> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Pyramining <-- this page looks like a scam, but I'm at a loss for how to rewrite it without just putting "Pyramining is a pyramid scheme"
734 2013-01-15 20:31:55 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: I dunno about troll, but he's obviously being intentionally nasty about his ignorance.
735 2013-01-15 20:32:26 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: I dunno. It was clear enough for him to make it say the opposite of what it was saying. :P
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741 2013-01-15 20:33:44 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: from having watched his other edits, it looked to me like he was trying to clarify what he (mis)understood from reading it
742 2013-01-15 20:34:02 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: it's a mining company funded by investors with a pyramid-structured incentive scheme to encourage referrals.
743 2013-01-15 20:34:26 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: right, but normal misunderstanding or unsolvable thickheadedness?
744 2013-01-15 20:34:43 <sipa> Luke-Jr: i think that's true - his forum posts aren't very good english either, so i think he's misunderstanding things and filling the gaps with guesses
745 2013-01-15 20:35:10 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: time will tell I suppose
746 2013-01-15 20:35:19 <sipa> (and probably overly confident about those guesses)
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748 2013-01-15 20:37:35 <gmaxwell> I probably wrote him off when he said "Sorry, I like to disagree" but perhaps I was overly hasty and that was a language gap and not someone actually saying they were trying to argue.
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750 2013-01-15 20:38:10 <sipa> hah, i interpreted as "i beg to differ", actually
751 2013-01-15 20:38:14 <sipa> +that
752 2013-01-15 20:38:27 <gmaxwell> (perhaps I should have known I was making a mistake when I found myself agreeing with 2112 :P)
753 2013-01-15 20:38:29 <sipa> what age is 7th grade in the US?
754 2013-01-15 20:38:56 <gmaxwell> 12 years old. Oh is he 12? pretty impressive if so.
755 2013-01-15 20:39:23 <sipa> indeed :)
756 2013-01-15 20:39:48 <sipa> (not talking about smtp, if that wasn't clear)
757 2013-01-15 20:40:08 <gmaxwell> oh you're talking about the essay?
758 2013-01-15 20:40:11 <gmaxwell> Yea, I enjoyed that.
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760 2013-01-15 20:41:12 <Luke-Jr> sipa: re d33a9218 - does CCoinsViewCache store changes in memory?
761 2013-01-15 20:41:45 <sipa> yes
762 2013-01-15 20:42:17 <Luke-Jr> sipa: might it be a good idea to call view.Flush inside the connect-loop, for every block as soon as total work is > what it was before?
763 2013-01-15 20:42:30 <Luke-Jr> IIRC the BDB code did this, to avoid resource limits
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766 2013-01-15 20:42:54 <Luke-Jr> particularly when the reorg triggers a block being accepted that wasn't under old code (due to a bug)
767 2013-01-15 20:43:38 <sipa> Luke-Jr: not necessary, ConnectBestBlock already calls SetBestBlock in that way
768 2013-01-15 20:44:10 <Luke-Jr> ah
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771 2013-01-15 20:46:41 <sipa> ... but ConnectBestBlock doesn't flush the cache
772 2013-01-15 20:47:17 <sipa> wait, SetBestChain does - never mind :)
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774 2013-01-15 20:57:41 <Luke-Jr> sipa: that bug only affected LevelDB, right?
775 2013-01-15 20:59:48 <sipa> Luke-Jr: yes, the bug was introduced in ultraprune
776 2013-01-15 21:01:04 <Luke-Jr> ty
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