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 23 2013-02-09 01:47:32 <Luke-Jr> looks like half-a-fix
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112 2013-02-09 06:25:58 <Skav> hello
113 2013-02-09 06:26:44 <Skav> can someone look at this please
114 2013-02-09 06:26:47 <Skav> http://pastebin.chiznillen.net//view.php?id=78
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131 2013-02-09 07:33:06 <petertodd> Has anyone started work on Gavin's request for a input-mixing service?
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136 2013-02-09 07:46:02 <weex> petertodd: is there a link on that?
137 2013-02-09 07:47:03 <petertodd> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141865.0 is the request for a Bitcoin Foundation grant proposal
138 2013-02-09 07:48:44 <benkay> dear bitcoin-dev
139 2013-02-09 07:49:31 <benkay> all bit coin clients work better on linux than they do on os 10.?
140 2013-02-09 07:49:50 <benkay> please communicate this to hackers coming up to speed on the protocol
141 2013-02-09 07:50:14 <benkay> in the meantime, imma figure out how to bring merchants online with a minimum of hassle
142 2013-02-09 07:50:17 <benkay> yours twoooly
143 2013-02-09 07:50:20 <benkay> benkay/ikbrunel
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150 2013-02-09 08:09:50 <CodeShark> benkay: given the fact that both linux and OS X are unix-like, it is generally not too difficult to port C++ code from linux to OS X (only a few libraries require special #ifdefs for OS X).
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152 2013-02-09 08:10:34 <CodeShark> having said that, I think most hardcore hackers working on bitcoin-related projects use linux as their main build/deployment platform
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203 2013-02-09 11:25:25 <dada> ciao
204 2013-02-09 11:25:36 <dada> !list
205 2013-02-09 11:25:36 <gribble> Admin, Alias, Anonymous, AutoMode, BitcoinData, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Conditional, Config, Debug, Dict, Dunno, Factoids, Filter, Format, GPG, GPGExt, Games, Gatekeeper, Google, Herald, Internet, Later, Market, Math, MessageParser, Misc, Network, OTCOrderBook, Owner, Plugin, RSS, RatingSystem, Relay, Reply, Scheduler, Seen, Services, Status, String, Time, Topic, URL, Unix, User, (1 more message)
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222 2013-02-09 12:17:34 <sipa> ;;later tell gavinandresen i got a gitian match for v0.8.0rc1 linux
223 2013-02-09 12:17:34 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
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237 2013-02-09 13:39:17 <astro9> hey people, I'm having trouble with double spends.. I'd like to at least make sure that the transaction I've received is propagaded asap.. I'd do that by connecting to well connected nodes I guess.. but how do I find them? does blockchain.info accept connections and run a daemon that would propagade my data?
238 2013-02-09 13:40:22 <astro9> its connected to 2000+ nodes so I'm guessing that it might be a good place to connect to first..
239 2013-02-09 13:42:25 <astro9> ok, found http://blockchain.info/hub-nodes
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253 2013-02-09 14:18:19 <MC1984> i wonder how hat guy was having such a problem with double spends
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255 2013-02-09 14:19:30 * sipa guesses: satoshidice
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257 2013-02-09 14:21:58 <pere> hi.  Anyone able to help more with the strange build failure of bitcoin in Debian?  is stillfail to build on i386 archs.  Now with more debug information.  See "buildd logs" linked to from <URL: http://packages.qa.debian.org/b/bitcoin.html >.  The test files are present, so the json parser failing seem to be the most likely cause.
258 2013-02-09 14:23:40 <MC1984> so does that mean hes having trouble trying to DS lol
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292 2013-02-09 16:11:31 <gavinandresen> rc1 announced on bitcoin-development and bitcointalk
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294 2013-02-09 16:15:12 <pere> gavinandresen: would any of the Debian patches available from <URL: http://patch-tracker.debian.org/package/bitcoin/0.7.2-3 > be interesting for the next release?
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296 2013-02-09 16:15:47 <gavinandresen> pere : maybe….  lemme look
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298 2013-02-09 16:16:22 <pere> the 1XXX patches are believed to be useful for upstream.
299 2013-02-09 16:17:00 <gavinandresen> pere: 1002_libdb-squeeze.patch   :   different versions of BDB are a royal pain in our asses; what version of BDB is in squeeze?
300 2013-02-09 16:17:28 <gavinandresen> 1003_qmake_cleanup.patch  : Good Idea
301 2013-02-09 16:17:48 <pere> gavinandresen: libdb_cxx-4.6.so
302 2013-02-09 16:17:54 <gavinandresen> 1004_conservative_qt-dbus.patch : no idea, ask wumpus
303 2013-02-09 16:18:21 <gavinandresen> pere:  4.6 ?  sigh….  we try to stick with 4.8
304 2013-02-09 16:19:10 <gavinandresen> 2001_stupify_header_script.patch : ask sipa
305 2013-02-09 16:19:11 <pere> gavinandresen: well, only a very small change was needed to get it to build with 4.6, as you can see. :)
306 2013-02-09 16:19:53 <pere> gavinandresen: it was just a suggestion to look at the patches in case you are interested.  I do not plan to spend much time tracking down the right people. :)
307 2013-02-09 16:19:55 <gavinandresen> pere: yes, but the issue is users getting really upset if they switch bitcoin executables and suddenly their wallet cannot be read
308 2013-02-09 16:20:31 <sipa> gavinandresen: nit for rc2/final: gettxout gettxoutsetinfo p
309 2013-02-09 16:20:46 <sipa> rpcs
310 2013-02-09 16:20:46 <gavinandresen> pere: wumpus and sipa are easy to track down; their email addresse are on the bitcoin.org homepage (wumpus is Wladimir, sipa is Pieter)
311 2013-02-09 16:21:55 <pere> gavinandresen: I am sure they are.  It is beside my point.  which is I spend the little time I can sink on bitcoin to try to figure out the build failure, not pushing patches upstream.  my suggestion was an suggestion, not an offer to spend time pushing the patches.
312 2013-02-09 16:21:56 <gavinandresen> sipa: new rpcs ?  I think they'll have to wait for 0.8.1 (or whatever next release is)
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315 2013-02-09 16:22:45 <pere> but the build failure is so strange I suspect I never will have enough time to sink on it. :(
316 2013-02-09 16:23:05 <gavinandresen> pere:  okey dokey.  I personally don't think bitcoin should be Officially Packaged until we hit version 1.0
317 2013-02-09 16:23:11 <sipa> gavinandresen: how do you mean? they exist in 0.8rc1, just not mentioned in the release note
318 2013-02-09 16:23:27 <gavinandresen> sipa: oh, good.  ACK on release note fixes for final
319 2013-02-09 16:24:39 <pere> if anyone got any idea why the json parser fail on i386 architectures, I am very interested.
320 2013-02-09 16:24:57 <moore_> pere, gavinandresen, also is it a good idea to have people ship builds that don't have the same hash as the "official" version?
321 2013-02-09 16:25:02 <sipa> pere: NAK on 2001; maybe a different solution is needed for distribution binaries (and i'm happy to look at that), but just removing git versioning from the script would break our own official builds right now
322 2013-02-09 16:26:48 <moore_> who would want a vendor patched bitcoin?
323 2013-02-09 16:27:33 <sipa> i'm sure people would like the convenience of distribution-packaged binaries
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325 2013-02-09 16:29:01 <moore_> hmm, I see that there are two use cases, do I want a bitcoin I can really trust, or do I just want a lower value wallet.
326 2013-02-09 16:29:15 <sipa> not all users are equal
327 2013-02-09 16:29:26 <moore_> I guess the second is the case you are referring to .
328 2013-02-09 16:29:46 <sipa> it's good to point out the varying trade-offs are ivolved when choosing software, imho
329 2013-02-09 16:30:37 <gavinandresen> I want Bitcoin-Qt to support multi-device wallets.  And if you get more than N bitcoin in a single-device wallet, I want it to nag you to create a multi-device wallet and move your funds there
330 2013-02-09 16:30:50 <moore_> I feel like I should spend some time making a matrix of bitcoin features one might like and where they can be found
331 2013-02-09 16:32:46 <moore_> I guess as long as vendor patches don't make a real difference, as you have to trust you vendor not to just ptrace and fuck with your programs no matter how sure you know they are correct
332 2013-02-09 16:32:59 <moore_> s/ as log as //
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334 2013-02-09 16:34:13 <moore_> in the end I guess repeatable builds are more a testing feature
335 2013-02-09 16:34:33 <moore_> I have convinced my self, bring on the vendor patches
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338 2013-02-09 16:35:25 <sipa> somehow vereion numbers like 0.8 and 0.9 feel almost mature, but 0.10 or 0.11 do not at all
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340 2013-02-09 16:35:46 <moore_> sipa, size matters
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342 2013-02-09 16:37:43 <Eliel> sipa: how about 0.A, 0.B? :)
343 2013-02-09 16:37:48 <sipa> haha
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347 2013-02-09 16:53:37 <HM> base58 version numbers
348 2013-02-09 16:57:52 <gavinandresen> Luke-Jr: can you rebase pull #2243 and see if that makes pulltester happy ?
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355 2013-02-09 17:10:21 * jgarzik waits patiently for a solo mined block
356 2013-02-09 17:13:05 <sipa> jgarzik: how does it feel, owning a device that harnesses the power of 3 ArtForz's?
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362 2013-02-09 17:16:47 <jgarzik> hehehe
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365 2013-02-09 17:20:09 <jgarzik> let's see if bitcoind has shutdown-freeze problems with eloipool's more moderate getblocktemplate usage
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369 2013-02-09 17:23:01 <MC1984> you guys ever get scared about how many people have how much money in code youre looking after
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371 2013-02-09 17:24:40 <jgarzik> What scares me is that there are only a few like us that are indeed scared ;p
372 2013-02-09 17:25:43 <jgarzik> Sometimes I think we treat the code and responsibilities with far more seriousness than is demonstrated on the forums/IRC/reddit/slashdot/media
373 2013-02-09 17:26:51 <MC1984> ive never doubted that the core devs are quite seriousface about the whole thing
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375 2013-02-09 17:27:45 <MC1984> just wonder if its kind of limiting coding on an experemental project with a $250m on your back
376 2013-02-09 17:27:57 <MC1984> economy*
377 2013-02-09 17:28:42 <jgarzik> [random tangent]  I'm always at the amount of getblocks activity on my non-listening nodes
378 2013-02-09 17:29:06 <jgarzik> someone is IBD'ing from my firewalled node right now
379 2013-02-09 17:29:25 <MC1984> how can you tell
380 2013-02-09 17:29:50 <jgarzik> logs show ever increasing
381 2013-02-09 17:29:51 <jgarzik> 2013-02-09 17:10:48   getblocks stopping at 136275 000000000000032872b5461173f25698afbac96412ce3516a5ffaa6134cc5cd2
382 2013-02-09 17:30:23 <MC1984> oh
383 2013-02-09 17:30:37 <MC1984> i didnt know block sends were logged
384 2013-02-09 17:31:12 <jgarzik> Bitcoin is a biological entity now.  With all the alternate implementations and old clients in the wild, you would be surprised how little ability we have to change things sometimes.  Several DNA strains in the wild, well outside our control (which is IMO a good thing).
385 2013-02-09 17:32:14 <MC1984> yeah you have not much direct control
386 2013-02-09 17:32:17 <jgarzik> a heterogenous collection should ultimately be more healthy than a homogeneous one
387 2013-02-09 17:32:26 <MC1984> over the current network
388 2013-02-09 17:32:32 <MC1984> you have rather more control over its future though
389 2013-02-09 17:32:59 <TD> jgarzik: how do they manage that if they can't connect to your node?
390 2013-02-09 17:33:03 <MC1984> i think only armoury and maybe multibit are the only serious contenders
391 2013-02-09 17:33:06 <TD> you connected to them and they were behind?
392 2013-02-09 17:33:10 <jgarzik> TD: apparently
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394 2013-02-09 17:33:30 <TD> MC1984: btw yes, it scares the crap out of me
395 2013-02-09 17:33:31 <jgarzik> TD: or they are simply pretending to be an IBD'ing node, for measurement/observation purposes
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398 2013-02-09 17:33:43 <TD> the thing that re-assures me is that actually destroying private keys is really, really hard
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400 2013-02-09 17:34:10 <MC1984> lol lots of people would disagree with that
401 2013-02-09 17:34:13 <TD> almost all serious bugs, at least in my code, result in getting out of sync with the network or creating spends that don't confirm. actually losing large sums of money is hard.
402 2013-02-09 17:34:20 <TD> well, i meant, via bugs in my code
403 2013-02-09 17:34:41 <MC1984> what do you code
404 2013-02-09 17:34:59 <TD> bitcoinj
405 2013-02-09 17:35:11 <MC1984> oh cool
406 2013-02-09 17:35:57 <MC1984> id like to see someone else take a shot at a full node
407 2013-02-09 17:36:48 <jgarzik> MC1984: Do we have control over bitcoin's future?  Yes and no.  As it becomes harder and harder to run a full node, I think the more centralizing elements -- big pools, or users using a web wallet rather than decentralized client -- will tend to have more power than us devs
408 2013-02-09 17:37:10 <jgarzik> So far we've largely tightened existing Satoshi restrictions, IMNSHO
409 2013-02-09 17:37:29 <MC1984> thats what i mean
410 2013-02-09 17:37:42 <MC1984> maybe you can only take what satoshi did and make it better
411 2013-02-09 17:38:00 <MC1984> but radical change is now out of the question
412 2013-02-09 17:38:06 <jgarzik> for better or worse
413 2013-02-09 17:38:20 <MC1984> well see
414 2013-02-09 17:38:33 <sipa> hings like bloom filtering, ipv6/tor support, dns seeding, ... were improvements beyond that
415 2013-02-09 17:38:59 <MC1984> with the asics out, people might have an incentive to use them to restart a better bitcoin if need be, as long as you use the same hash function
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417 2013-02-09 17:39:46 <MC1984> sipa yes thats all good stuff, i do not mean to belittle your work
418 2013-02-09 17:39:48 <sipa> few changes to the actual consensus rules were made (bip16 and bip30), but i  but those are far more fragile
419 2013-02-09 17:40:43 <sipa> MC1984: no offence takn
420 2013-02-09 17:41:51 <MC1984> just goddamn if theres some fatal flaw in satoshis model its gonna hurt the whole concept for a long time
421 2013-02-09 17:42:01 <MC1984> like the first cold fusion guy
422 2013-02-09 17:43:05 <MC1984> theres actual VC money riding on bitoin now though and one would hope some ort of due dilligence would be done there
423 2013-02-09 17:43:27 <MC1984> i wonder if VCs might hire coders to go over it
424 2013-02-09 17:43:58 <MC1984> or maybe they just threw a million at it just in case, sot of like everyone else really......
425 2013-02-09 17:44:23 <jgarzik> woah!
426 2013-02-09 17:44:29 <jgarzik> we pulled 'addnode' RPC?
427 2013-02-09 17:44:31 <jgarzik> hooray!
428 2013-02-09 17:44:49 * jgarzik missed that due to baby-induced fog
429 2013-02-09 17:45:21 <sipa> jgarzik: too bad we didn't pull your netmessage sruff
430 2013-02-09 17:46:10 <jgarzik> sipa: <shrug>  no urgent rush
431 2013-02-09 17:46:36 * jgarzik looks forward to coding again, maybe late Feb or early March <sigh>
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436 2013-02-09 17:54:45 <Eliel> MC1984: well, you know how the dot.com boom went :)
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438 2013-02-09 17:58:06 <MC1984> yep
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461 2013-02-09 18:41:38 <benkay> CodeShark: I just don't think it's ready for primetime is all.
462 2013-02-09 18:41:56 <CodeShark> benkay: you don't think what is ready for primetime?
463 2013-02-09 18:42:04 <benkay> please read my comment last night as an expression of frustration
464 2013-02-09 18:42:26 <benkay> not honest evaluation
465 2013-02-09 18:42:58 <benkay> it was faster and less painful to install linux in a virtual box and then run armory from the vb
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467 2013-02-09 18:44:25 <CodeShark> it's no secret that linux builds are the most tested
468 2013-02-09 18:46:01 <benkay> I know this now :(
469 2013-02-09 18:48:23 <CodeShark> but it's not really a matter of it being intrinsically more complicated to build on OS X - just fewer people doing it
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471 2013-02-09 18:50:11 <benkay> yeah, and while I learned a lot trying to do it, i don't have the chops to make it happen
472 2013-02-09 18:54:17 <CodeShark> the issue with armory is more that etotheipi simply hasn't focused on it
473 2013-02-09 18:54:25 <CodeShark> focused on OS X, that is
474 2013-02-09 18:54:54 <CodeShark> but armory is just one of many bitcoin applications
475 2013-02-09 18:55:19 <CodeShark> so yeah, if you want to run armory, clearly OS X support will be far more limited than linux
476 2013-02-09 18:56:02 <CodeShark> unless you want to hack away at it and package it yourself
477 2013-02-09 18:56:42 <Eliel> yep, every platform tends to need one coder who takes it on him/herself to keep everything working on the platform.
478 2013-02-09 18:58:10 <CodeShark> even bitcoind only has a handful of developers who regularly build and test on OS X
479 2013-02-09 18:58:18 <gavinandresen> speaking of which… we need somebody to make Bitcoin-Qt work nicely out-of-the-tree with Visual Studio
480 2013-02-09 18:58:25 <CodeShark> but that's almost infinitely more than the number of OS X developers working on armory :)
481 2013-02-09 18:59:25 <CodeShark> I haven't used Visual Studio in nearly 10 years :p
482 2013-02-09 18:59:48 <gavinandresen> me neither
483 2013-02-09 19:00:16 <gavinandresen> wait… no, I think it's been 15 years for me
484 2013-02-09 19:00:20 <sipa> I think I used Visual Basic 3.0 at some point
485 2013-02-09 19:00:55 <CodeShark> welcome back, sipa :)
486 2013-02-09 19:01:00 <gavinandresen> wonder how long it is before we get somebody in here with "I'm reimplementing bitcoin in Visual Basic, and....."
487 2013-02-09 19:01:06 <kinlo> eh, visualbasic 1.0, 3 DD disks :)
488 2013-02-09 19:02:00 <CodeShark> lol
489 2013-02-09 19:02:30 * gavinandresen puts his boots on to finish shovelling 2 feet of snow off his front walk.....
490 2013-02-09 19:02:45 <benkay> well, the rails devs are arriving ;)
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492 2013-02-09 19:03:59 <kinlo> gavinandresen: btw, a quick note in the readme for gitian that you need to save the output of the dependencies for the win32 build into the inputs/ dir would have saved me a lot of time :)
493 2013-02-09 19:04:20 <gavinandresen> kinlo:  can you submit a patch to the readme?
494 2013-02-09 19:04:33 <kinlo> gavinandresen: do you need win32 sigs btw, or is the process random and therefore the resulting sigs worthless?
495 2013-02-09 19:04:45 <kinlo> gavinandresen: I'll create a pull request later
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497 2013-02-09 19:04:48 <gavinandresen> kinlo:  don't bother with win32 sigs yet.
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502 2013-02-09 19:10:37 <sipa> CodeShark: still on a train...
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508 2013-02-09 19:27:19 <Luke-Jr> gavinandresen: ok, 1 sec
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510 2013-02-09 19:28:28 <Luke-Jr> pushed
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514 2013-02-09 19:35:26 <benkay> gavinandresen; I'm looking at your 2 of 3 gist and don't understand the purpose of completing the 2 of 3 signatures with a public key; doesn't the transaction need to be signed by another private key to be valid?
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523 2013-02-09 20:07:31 <rocoo> hi, Luke-Jr, how are you?
524 2013-02-09 20:07:46 <Luke-Jr> …
525 2013-02-09 20:07:52 <jgarzik> Luke-Jr: hrm
526 2013-02-09 20:07:54 <jgarzik> 2013-02-09 14:45:07,750	blockSubmission	DEBUG	Upstream 'primary' accepted block
527 2013-02-09 20:07:54 <jgarzik> 2013-02-09 14:45:07,848	redflag	CRITICAL	Upstream 'primary' block submission failed: rejected
528 2013-02-09 20:08:04 <Luke-Jr> jgarzik: normal
529 2013-02-09 20:08:21 <Luke-Jr> jgarzik: it tries to submit twice to the bitcoind that made the template
530 2013-02-09 20:08:25 <rocoo> hey, it's jgarzik! you've you been?
531 2013-02-09 20:08:40 <rocoo> how've you been?
532 2013-02-09 20:08:53 <sipa> he has been jgarzik
533 2013-02-09 20:09:02 <jgarzik> Luke-Jr: ok
534 2013-02-09 20:09:18 <jgarzik> Luke-Jr: well, it does appear to be on the network...  00000000000001528a3fa72b86032459e1fb6ab38720e19a26e3a1f4a64e461a
535 2013-02-09 20:09:24 <jgarzik> so, whee :) first solo mined block
536 2013-02-09 20:09:40 <Luke-Jr> jgarzik: any idea why sync would hang and be unkillable and be doing no IO?
537 2013-02-09 20:10:07 <sipa> network fs, and server not responding
538 2013-02-09 20:10:30 <sipa> or some device/driver problem?
539 2013-02-09 20:10:31 <Luke-Jr> no network fs mounted
540 2013-02-09 20:10:45 <sipa> anything in dmesg?
541 2013-02-09 20:10:46 <jgarzik> Luke-Jr: could be any number of reasons inside the kernel.  there are often periods of uninterruptibility
542 2013-02-09 20:10:47 <gjs278> when my raid controller dies, sync is unkillable and does no IO
543 2013-02-09 20:10:56 <Luke-Jr> 4 bitcoind-alikes running, but I presume it'd catch up eventually
544 2013-02-09 20:11:01 <Luke-Jr> sipa: nope
545 2013-02-09 20:11:01 <jgarzik> 1087 transactions in "my block"
546 2013-02-09 20:11:04 <jgarzik> 413 kb
547 2013-02-09 20:11:06 <jgarzik> whee
548 2013-02-09 20:11:19 * jgarzik boosted the max size and priority area size numbers
549 2013-02-09 20:11:46 <sipa> first time you solo mine a block?
550 2013-02-09 20:11:51 <Luke-Jr> Deleted inode 5416863 has zero dtime. <-- normal if mounted?
551 2013-02-09 20:12:09 <jgarzik> sipa: I'm not a solo mining virgin, no
552 2013-02-09 20:12:25 <CodeShark> I've solo mined on testnet :)
553 2013-02-09 20:12:30 <jgarzik> sipa: first time with this ASIC ;p  The ASIC miner previously mined some blocks for slush and btcguild
554 2013-02-09 20:12:58 <sipa> neither am i, but i don't plan on solo mining again for the time being
555 2013-02-09 20:13:05 <CodeShark> jgarzik, have you already paid off your investment in the ASIC?
556 2013-02-09 20:13:33 <jgarzik> CodeShark: https://twitter.com/jgarzik/status/300138033590718464
557 2013-02-09 20:13:45 <gjs278> I don't plan on solo mining until avalon sends out at least batch 1 to everyone and then I'll buy it... right now I still can't be sure
558 2013-02-09 20:13:48 <CodeShark> sweet
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560 2013-02-09 20:14:30 <CodeShark> it's nice to be an early adopter, jgarzik :)
561 2013-02-09 20:14:33 <dserrano5> now on to recover the basic fiasco
562 2013-02-09 20:15:41 <dserrano5> (if you preordered with btc, that is)
563 2013-02-09 20:17:58 <jgarzik> dserrano5: I preordered one from each vendor.  Still waiting on the (unlikely, it seems) BTC refund for bASIC.
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565 2013-02-09 20:19:13 <dserrano5> that's precisely why I said that, implying there won't be any btc refund
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568 2013-02-09 20:19:52 <sipa> jgarzik: i guess that means you can only declare victory whem you've mined enoufh to repay electricity + all hardware (excluding already refunded.stuff)
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570 2013-02-09 20:20:15 <petertodd> jgarzik:
571 2013-02-09 20:20:28 <petertodd> jgarzik: Given the huge returns, it maddens me that I didn't think of your strategy myself...
572 2013-02-09 20:20:45 <sipa> haha
573 2013-02-09 20:20:48 <CodeShark> jgarzik's strategy wasn't without risk
574 2013-02-09 20:20:50 <gjs278> uhh well he's so far the only one to get one I think...
575 2013-02-09 20:20:54 <sipa> it was still a gamble
576 2013-02-09 20:20:55 <CodeShark> hindsight doesn't count :)
577 2013-02-09 20:20:56 <gjs278> who else even has an avalon
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579 2013-02-09 20:21:18 <sipa> the foundation :)
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581 2013-02-09 20:21:50 <petertodd> CodeShark: Yes, but if I had thought to do it, I think I would have concluded the risk was low enough. I remember thinking a good chunk of the risk was picking the wrong vendor... Brain fart right there.
582 2013-02-09 20:21:56 <dserrano5> diversifying investments is always good advide
583 2013-02-09 20:22:00 <dserrano5> advice*
584 2013-02-09 20:22:35 <CodeShark> it was obvious that ASICs would outperform anything else in existence and could be made viable in principle. what was not obvious was whether the vendors were legitimate and competent
585 2013-02-09 20:22:36 <jgarzik> sipa: true :)  I need to figure out how much money is still outstanding, for !Avalon vendors
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587 2013-02-09 20:23:36 <petertodd> Of course, being a dev lowers your pre-order risk in itself due to PR...
588 2013-02-09 20:23:47 <dserrano5> or not, you can be quite sure you'll recover it all nevertheless :)
589 2013-02-09 20:23:59 <gjs278> indeed petertodd
590 2013-02-09 20:24:24 <CodeShark> it might not be too late to get in on the strategy, petertodd - but the longer you wait the less the payoff, obviously :)
591 2013-02-09 20:24:31 <sipa> petertodd: i don't think jgarzik knew in advance he'd basically get an early review sample
592 2013-02-09 20:24:56 <jgarzik> nope
593 2013-02-09 20:25:08 <petertodd> sipa: Of course not, but he certainely had a higher chance than Joe-random.
594 2013-02-09 20:25:30 <petertodd> sipa: Yet another reason I need to make more stuff. :P
595 2013-02-09 20:25:35 <jgarzik> petertodd: well most ASIC vendors are/were making a show of being _extremely_ fair in how their distribute things
596 2013-02-09 20:25:45 <jgarzik> not that I'm complaining about being bumped to the head of the line
597 2013-02-09 20:25:55 <sipa> true, but that 'higher' was hard to quantifu
598 2013-02-09 20:26:22 <petertodd> jgarzik: That aspect did surprise me. But, look at it this way, it was unlikely they'd push the devs to the *back* of the line.
599 2013-02-09 20:26:31 <jgarzik> true
600 2013-02-09 20:26:39 <gjs278> I didn't realize they did batch 2 on feb 2nd, but I'll definitely join batch 3 as long as everyone gets shipped for batch 1
601 2013-02-09 20:27:00 <jgarzik> gjs278: based on forum posts, it sounds like batch 2 is still incomplete, and might re-open
602 2013-02-09 20:27:07 <petertodd> Oh well, I have a BFL order coming... my coffee will be warm at least.
603 2013-02-09 20:27:07 <gjs278> hmm
604 2013-02-09 20:27:42 <dserrano5> I understand batch 2 is filled. Took some time but it has eventually sold out
605 2013-02-09 20:27:52 <dserrano5> but I may be worng
606 2013-02-09 20:28:15 <gjs278> there were issues where they gave the wrong price to people and then they didn't fill the rest of the coins
607 2013-02-09 20:28:31 <jgarzik> dserrano5: ah.  well I don't have any inside info, just reading the forum
608 2013-02-09 20:28:32 <dserrano5> as for batch 3, I expect another disaster
609 2013-02-09 20:28:36 <jgarzik> hehe
610 2013-02-09 20:28:42 <dserrano5> (let's invoke murphy's law by publicly stating that :))
611 2013-02-09 20:28:47 <jgarzik> gjs278: yah, I was charged $2
612 2013-02-09 20:28:53 <jgarzik> but failed to actually get into batch #2
613 2013-02-09 20:29:45 <dserrano5> I think they offered those items a second time, without notifying anyone
614 2013-02-09 20:31:22 <Luke-Jr> FWIW, OOM killer taking out bitcoind seems to have recovered sync
615 2013-02-09 20:31:24 <Luke-Jr> O.o
616 2013-02-09 20:31:44 <Luke-Jr> jgarzik: I presume OOM killer nonsense is outside your area? :p
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625 2013-02-09 20:50:58 <jgarzik> Luke-Jr: yes.  I'm a device drivers and filesystems guys largely
626 2013-02-09 20:51:12 <jgarzik> Luke-Jr: oh and networking, though more in the 10/100 era
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632 2013-02-09 21:14:26 <sipa> gavinandresen: perhaps it's worth mentioning that you can delete the old blk0001.dat and blk0002.dat files after upgrading, if you don't plan on returning to 0.7.x or earlier versions
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634 2013-02-09 21:15:37 <gavinandresen> sipa: meh.  they'll be hardlinked, so deleting them won't actually save space.  Deleting blkindex.dat will, though
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638 2013-02-09 21:16:45 <sipa> right - it won't save space in most cases, but i except "can we delete the old files now?" to become a frequent question
639 2013-02-09 21:16:50 <sipa> *expect
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641 2013-02-09 21:18:01 <petertodd> gavinandresen: Has anyone done a "trust-free mixer" proposal yet? I was thinking of submitting a proposal; it would be good practice for the much more complex trustbits stuff I'm working on.
642 2013-02-09 21:18:18 <gavinandresen> petertodd: nope, nobody has.
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644 2013-02-09 21:18:42 <gavinandresen> petertodd: (well, at least not last I glanced at the proposals that have come in)
645 2013-02-09 21:20:15 <petertodd> gavinandresen: Alright, I'll come up with something.
646 2013-02-09 21:21:12 <Luke-Jr> petertodd: might talk to coingenuity; I think he had some ideas for how to do it nicely
647 2013-02-09 21:21:20 <Luke-Jr> (p2p, without a service)
648 2013-02-09 21:21:50 <gavinandresen> sipa: a contrib/tidy-datadir.sh script that removed the old addr.dat, blk*.dat, and the post-0.7.2-pre-0.8.0rc1 ultraprune directories would be spiffy
649 2013-02-09 21:22:16 <sipa> gavinandresen: ACK
650 2013-02-09 21:22:34 <petertodd> gavinandresen: Beyond that, for core changes, A: does that include stuff like fidelity bonds and bonded bank things like I'm working on, and B: for funding, what sort of requirements would they be looking at? (IE, only from universities under profs or similar)
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653 2013-02-09 21:23:57 <gavinandresen> petertodd: A) maybe   B) no fixed requirements, you have to convince the Foundation Board that you're likely to actually complete the work.
654 2013-02-09 21:25:00 <petertodd> gavinandresen: Alright, sounds like a long-shot, but learning how to explain this stuff is valuable in itself...
655 2013-02-09 21:25:03 <gavinandresen> petertodd: … and keep in mind the Foundation isn't rich yet, so 2,000 BTC grants to pay a postdoc's salary are unlikely
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657 2013-02-09 21:26:51 <petertodd> gavinandresen: Yeah, Google Summer of Code rates at best.
658 2013-02-09 21:27:48 <gavinandresen> yes, at this point grants that are "I'll do the work for free, but need a grant to pay for THESE expenses (hardware or software or whatever)" are more likely to be funded.
659 2013-02-09 21:29:12 <sipa> "due to geothermomagnetic disturbances, this research ideally takes place on The Bahamas."
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661 2013-02-09 21:34:06 <petertodd> gavinandresen: Actually, what I'll do is ask for tentative funding for one of the IBM crypto-processors gmaxwell and I were disussing using to back up the fidelity bonds. They're expensive, and equally, funds only need to be released when I'm at that stage a few months down the line. (at least)
662 2013-02-09 21:34:38 <petertodd> (and, assuming I don't find a cheaper way to do remote attestation)
663 2013-02-09 21:34:59 <gavinandresen> petertodd: sounds like a really good use of Foundation funds (assuming your work will be open source / shared / documented)
664 2013-02-09 21:35:37 <petertodd> gavinandresen: I'm thinking AGPL actually, because the whole point of remote attestation is to have the soruce code...
665 2013-02-09 21:36:26 <gavinandresen> petertodd: which one is AGPL?  What is the A ?
666 2013-02-09 21:36:48 <sipa> gavinandresen: code running server must be copyleft too
667 2013-02-09 21:37:10 <petertodd> gavinandresen: GPL + you must provide code to remote clients
668 2013-02-09 21:38:01 <gavinandresen> petertodd: any GPL variation ought to be fine  (personally, I don't care about copyrights, and wish everything was public domain)
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670 2013-02-09 21:39:18 <petertodd> gavinandresen: Yeah, I'd stick to MIT like satoshi, but it'd be good to have a way, however weak, to encourage operators to do the right thing given the technical requirements demand it.
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674 2013-02-09 21:43:06 <Luke-Jr> gavinandresen: sadly, public domain means people can't use it at all in some countries (which do not hold PD as legally valid)
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676 2013-02-09 21:43:34 <gavinandresen> I can still wish.  I WANT PONIES!
677 2013-02-09 21:44:13 <petertodd> I can get you that... spelled with a w...
678 2013-02-09 21:44:27 * Luke-Jr backs away slowly
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681 2013-02-09 21:45:45 * sipa envisions the gate to the Source Of The Ponies being opened, and all of them populating the Public Domains surrounding it
682 2013-02-09 21:48:35 <petertodd> I didn't realize I wasn't the only one with a fine arts degree...
683 2013-02-09 21:49:16 <sipa> ag
684 2013-02-09 21:49:18 <sipa> ah
685 2013-02-09 21:49:35 <sipa> i'll let you write the novel then
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687 2013-02-09 21:51:10 <petertodd> nah, I'll help write the grant proposal for the novel
688 2013-02-09 21:51:20 <sipa> :)
689 2013-02-09 21:53:07 <petertodd> Ripple is wonderfully confusing: seems that someone who has extended credit to you creating a trade offer, like "I want 1BTC for 350XRP", is equivalent to you creating that trade offer yourself...
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696 2013-02-09 22:12:29 <gavinandresen> I uploaded the VirtualBox 'base' VMs that I'll be using for gitian builds:  https://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/GitianVBox/
697 2013-02-09 22:12:46 <gavinandresen> goal:  'gitian-in-a-VirtualBox' that makes gitian building really easy
698 2013-02-09 22:15:14 <petertodd> goal: sneak code into the gitian virtualbox VM to hack the qemu box inside
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700 2013-02-09 22:16:23 <gavinandresen> … longer term goal:  get VBoxManage to build the VMs from signed .iso's or something….
701 2013-02-09 22:17:19 <petertodd> ...foiling my evil plans
702 2013-02-09 22:17:54 <gavinandresen> the latest struggles with gitian made me seriously start to doubt whether it is worth all the bother and fuss. We're implicitly trusting a pretty darn big software stack not to Be Evil.
703 2013-02-09 22:18:17 <gavinandresen> … which is why I keep pushing for multi-device wallets...
704 2013-02-09 22:18:53 <CodeShark> what do you mean by multi-device wallets?
705 2013-02-09 22:19:07 <petertodd> well, even with the payment protocol, multi-device wallets will protect against the evil that gitian prevents
706 2013-02-09 22:19:11 <CodeShark> wallets that require two or more devices to sign?
707 2013-02-09 22:19:14 <petertodd> (most of the evil)
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709 2013-02-09 22:19:22 <petertodd> CodeShark: exactly
710 2013-02-09 22:19:23 <gavinandresen> CodeShark: yes
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712 2013-02-09 22:19:44 <petertodd> CodeShark: using P2SH addresses + multisig transactions is the most obvious way to do it
713 2013-02-09 22:20:09 <gmaxwell> Big but infrequently updated at least. And there is some bake time for evil detection.
714 2013-02-09 22:20:43 <petertodd> CodeShark: and it can be done mostly automatically by having the second device just check that the change address is correct, and display the to address to the user for a quick verification.
715 2013-02-09 22:21:23 <petertodd> CodeShark: A payment protocol would tie that verification of the to address to an actual signature, so it couldn't be defeated by a virus that causes bitcoin addresses displayed on your computer to be redirected.
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717 2013-02-09 22:23:47 <CodeShark> I'm also somewhat of a fan of implementing key storage/signing in hardware
718 2013-02-09 22:24:29 <CodeShark> for the really secure stuff
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720 2013-02-09 22:24:45 <CodeShark> or at least use dedicated devices with very restricted interfaces
721 2013-02-09 22:25:31 <petertodd> That's a good thing too, but multi-device support gets you pretty close to that level of security by itself.
722 2013-02-09 22:26:14 <petertodd> FWIW I use manual P2SH multisig myself for my savings... although I probably actually have a higher risk of losing funds due to screwing that up than anythign else.
723 2013-02-09 22:26:57 <CodeShark> yeah, when you introduce greater complexity to the scheme you also allow more chances to accidentally mess something up
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725 2013-02-09 22:27:40 <petertodd> Yeah, but also remember that you can do 2-of-3 multisig, which I think would overall reduce the chances by giving people a way to recover their funds if they forget a password.
726 2013-02-09 22:28:07 <CodeShark> yeah, there's also the fundamental tradeoff between security and convenience
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728 2013-02-09 22:28:32 <petertodd> Yup, but Bitcoin needs a hell of a lot more security to keep your wallet safe than I think most people realize.
729 2013-02-09 22:29:27 <CodeShark> wallet management in bitcoin is currently a horrific mess
730 2013-02-09 22:29:45 <CodeShark> it takes a lot of effort and discipline on the part of the wallet owner to do things right
731 2013-02-09 22:29:51 <petertodd> Heh, the satoshi client is a horrific mess...
732 2013-02-09 22:30:04 <CodeShark> other wallet solutions aren't exactly much better
733 2013-02-09 22:30:11 <CodeShark> they all have their problems
734 2013-02-09 22:30:31 <petertodd> It really bugs me how unreliable Armory is, the idea is quite nice.
735 2013-02-09 22:32:15 <petertodd> But I gotta duck out for a bit, later.
736 2013-02-09 22:32:22 <CodeShark> later
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740 2013-02-09 22:37:47 <rocoo> you, gmaxwell, were in #bitcoin-otc for no other reason than to be a PRICK
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742 2013-02-09 22:38:11 <rocoo> therefore, stamit comes to -dev for no other reason than to tell people what a prick you've been
743 2013-02-09 22:39:00 <rocoo> there's basically now way you are getting removed from stamit's list any time this year
744 2013-02-09 22:39:03 <rocoo> *no way
745 2013-02-09 22:39:18 <rocoo> absolutely no way
746 2013-02-09 22:41:44 <rocoo> and it's a well deserved listing
747 2013-02-09 22:42:11 <rocoo> and people joined in to do it to you too
748 2013-02-09 22:46:29 <CodeShark> rocoo, please die
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750 2013-02-09 22:47:32 <rocoo> what's with the "please die"? is this like a standard wish for people?
751 2013-02-09 22:47:42 <CodeShark> no, just for you
752 2013-02-09 22:48:05 <rocoo> sorry, but i'd prefer to live
753 2013-02-09 22:48:28 <rocoo> and not just live, but live properly too
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