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 13 2013-02-11 00:23:25 <TradeFortress> I get Warning: fopen(http://...@localhost:8333): failed to open stream: HTTP request failed! HTTP/1.1 404 when I try to connect with jsonRPCClient.php :/
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 15 2013-02-11 00:26:05 <TradeFortress> I am really out of clues on why this is happening.
 16 2013-02-11 00:27:47 <upb> lrn2debug
 17 2013-02-11 00:29:42 <TradeFortress> upb: no idea why I get 404. curl works fine.
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 19 2013-02-11 00:38:58 <D34TH> seriously?
 20 2013-02-11 00:39:12 <D34TH> TradeFortress: try 8332
 21 2013-02-11 00:39:48 <D34TH> should say something about method not found
 22 2013-02-11 00:40:56 <D34TH> or something like that
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 29 2013-02-11 00:52:59 <asuk> Can anybody explain me the wiki page https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Getwork? especially,
 30 2013-02-11 00:53:06 <asuk> "Because getwork provides the data in little endian, and"
 31 2013-02-11 00:53:19 <asuk> "SHA256 works in big endian"  (???) ...
 32 2013-02-11 00:53:23 <asuk> next
 33 2013-02-11 00:53:32 <asuk> "SHA256 (SHA256 (bigEndianToLittleEndianForEach32BitBlock (data)))" ?
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 35 2013-02-11 00:56:14 <Luke-Jr> asuk: what's unclear?
 36 2013-02-11 00:56:25 <Luke-Jr> the last line is wrong
 37 2013-02-11 00:56:59 <asuk> What should it be?
 38 2013-02-11 00:57:40 <Luke-Jr> calculate: hash = SHA256(SHA256(EndianFlipForEach32Bits(First80BytesOf(data))))
 39 2013-02-11 00:58:38 <asuk> it's more understandable )
 40 2013-02-11 00:58:55 <Luke-Jr> asuk: note that getwork is deprecated though ;)
 41 2013-02-11 00:58:56 <asuk> thank you
 42 2013-02-11 00:59:54 <asuk> yes. I just use this method to get some data
 43 2013-02-11 01:00:01 <asuk> to play with
 44 2013-02-11 01:00:26 <Luke-Jr> asuk: libblkmaker includes a very simple example that mines a share, FWIW
 45 2013-02-11 01:00:42 <Luke-Jr> (CPU mining using libgcrypt, so not optimized at all)
 46 2013-02-11 01:00:59 <Luke-Jr> (but it does include an example template that has an early-found share)
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 64 2013-02-11 01:41:29 <B0g4r7> Ugh, Ubuntu Software Center offers to install bitcoind 0.3.24.
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 67 2013-02-11 01:46:06 <rdponticelli> lol
 68 2013-02-11 01:46:15 <rdponticelli> That's not bitcoin anymore
 69 2013-02-11 01:46:17 <gmaxwell> B0g4r7: please ask them to remove it, it is insecure and will get people robbed.
 70 2013-02-11 01:52:16 <andytoshi> yikes
 71 2013-02-11 01:54:22 <B0g4r7> I wonder how hard it'd be to get 0.7.2 into the repo.
 72 2013-02-11 01:55:25 <B0g4r7> and keep it up to date
 73 2013-02-11 01:55:39 <Luke-Jr> B0g4r7: it might be easier to get 0.6.4 in
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 82 2013-02-11 02:06:20 <petertodd> Does anyone have data on orphan rates?
 83 2013-02-11 02:06:46 <petertodd> Looking at blockchain.info the orphan rate appears to be about 1-2%
 84 2013-02-11 02:07:07 <petertodd> Just wondering if a more concerted effort has been made to determine this.
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112 2013-02-11 02:55:52 <eckey> Does anyone here rune Bitcoin-Qt on MacBook OSX 10.8.2?
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118 2013-02-11 03:29:21 <sgornick> gmaxwell: Ping
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120 2013-02-11 03:30:18 <sgornick> re: > I asked for permissions to unlock it but haven't heard back— will prod.  <--- Bitcoin wiki BIP article.
121 2013-02-11 03:30:34 <sgornick> That article isn't locked, is that resolved for you?
122 2013-02-11 03:30:57 <sgornick> Wiki does use that BitcoinPayment anti-spam now, but other than that you should be able to edit that article.
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127 2013-02-11 03:42:25 <B0g4r7> I run Bitcoin-Qt on 10.6 and 10.7.  Not on 10.8 tho.
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261 2013-02-11 09:49:20 <Raccoon> What paste sites (eg, pastebin) do you guys use on IRC? I'm compiling a list of ones people actively use. Please /msg me your reply; cross-posted.
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342 2013-02-11 13:23:44 <Belkaar> is it ok to hard- or symlink the new blk????.dat and rev????.dat between two instances of bitcoind 0.8 (provided it is not the highest number) ?
343 2013-02-11 13:25:24 <sipa> Belkaar: should be, yes
344 2013-02-11 13:25:43 <Belkaar> so once they are "full" they are not written to again?
345 2013-02-11 13:26:03 <sipa> indeed
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347 2013-02-11 13:27:00 <Belkaar> But as I understand it they contain unpruned blocks, so in future updates they could be altered again by the pruning feature?
348 2013-02-11 13:28:46 <Luke-Jr> Belkaar: you can hardlink the last one too. just new blocks won't be shared
349 2013-02-11 13:29:25 <Belkaar> Luke-Jr: wont both bitcoinds try to write to it at the same time when a new block arrives?
350 2013-02-11 13:29:35 <Luke-Jr> Belkaar: no, only old ones will
351 2013-02-11 13:29:41 <Luke-Jr> Belkaar: new ones cap out blocks at 256 MB
352 2013-02-11 13:30:16 <Belkaar> Luke-Jr
353 2013-02-11 13:30:45 <Belkaar> Luek-Jr: sorry I don't get it, lets say the currently not full one is blk0012.dat
354 2013-02-11 13:31:14 <Luke-Jr> Belkaar: as long as it's over 256 MB, the new one will start blk00012.dat
355 2013-02-11 13:31:25 <Luke-Jr> Belkaar: but it's not intended to scale beyond blk0003.dat
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357 2013-02-11 13:32:13 <Belkaar> Luke-Jr: I'm talking about a newly synced block database from 0.8 with its currently about 40 block files
358 2013-02-11 13:32:58 <Luke-Jr> Belkaar: oh
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360 2013-02-11 13:33:28 <Belkaar> Luke-Jr: So I have blk0000.dat-blk0042.dat with 128MB and blk0043.dat with 16MB . So my question is: can I symlink 0000-00042 only or all of them
361 2013-02-11 13:33:38 <Belkaar> Luke-Jr: *hard-link
362 2013-02-11 13:33:48 <Luke-Jr> why would you make any links?
363 2013-02-11 13:34:04 <Luke-Jr> also, 0.8+ uses blk00000.dat etc, not blk0001.dat etc
364 2013-02-11 13:34:35 <Belkaar> Luke-Jr: So I don't need 3GB of disk space containing the same data for each running node
365 2013-02-11 13:35:27 <Luke-Jr> Belkaar: nobody can predict how 0.9 will be compatible with 0.8
366 2013-02-11 13:42:12 <sipa> Belkaar: if pruning is ever added (it may well be), it will just be deleting blk* and rev* files
367 2013-02-11 13:44:07 <Belkaar> Ok. Thank you for the clarification
368 2013-02-11 13:44:27 <sipa> (that's the primary reason for smaller block files, so you have better granularity for pruning)
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380 2013-02-11 14:03:00 <Happzz> is the testnet also limited to 21mil, etc'?
381 2013-02-11 14:04:35 <kjj> the problem in that question is the "the".  it would be better to say that "each testnet is also limited"
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383 2013-02-11 14:05:08 <Happzz> are there more than 1 testnet?
384 2013-02-11 14:05:11 <kjj> but it would be trivial to change that in your own testnet, should you ever wish to do so
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387 2013-02-11 14:05:43 <kjj> yes, there is a testnet-in-a-box that anyone can use to set up their own private test network
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389 2013-02-11 14:06:25 <kjj> there is also some agreement to make a distributed test network if you want to connect to it
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391 2013-02-11 14:07:20 <kjj> if you are using the testnet mode of the stock client, it follows mostly the same rules as the real network
392 2013-02-11 14:07:38 <Happzz> okay
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403 2013-02-11 14:28:50 <Belkaar> kjj: On that note: I'm running a Testnet node 24/7 at the moment. Is that still usefull?
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406 2013-02-11 14:37:26 <kjj> yeah, I think I've seen the guys talking about wanting more long lived nodes on the distributed testnet
407 2013-02-11 14:37:57 <kjj> I've been meaning to set one up, but my poor decade old colo box just can't take it
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409 2013-02-11 14:40:03 <jgarzik> Belkaar: yes, it is use.  Consider CPU mining on testnet, with a single core or so, if you can afford it.
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411 2013-02-11 14:42:47 <Belkaar> jgarzik: It's running on a raspberry pi with cpu minig on. Does 177kH/s. So it will ensure a block every 4 hours or so
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542 2013-02-11 17:17:00 <jgarzik> 27262 jgarzik   39  19 1791m 227m  16m S  8.6  5.8  38:59.35 bitcoind
543 2013-02-11 17:17:11 <jgarzik> not bad at all!  Quite nice memory usage, for a full node + mining.
544 2013-02-11 17:21:05 <Guest85802> 227mb?
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547 2013-02-11 17:27:52 <jgarzik> correct
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549 2013-02-11 17:29:46 <EskimoBob> Hi, how do I check out the latest stable version from github? Or is v0.8.0rc1 OK for regular use?
550 2013-02-11 17:30:48 <sipa> rc = release candidate
551 2013-02-11 17:30:55 <sipa> so not intended for production use yet
552 2013-02-11 17:31:13 <sipa> v0.7.2 is the latest release
553 2013-02-11 17:31:21 <EskimoBob> OK, let me rephrase my question. How to I get 0.7.2 from github
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555 2013-02-11 17:31:44 <EskimoBob> make that version current or what eve it is in git speak :)
556 2013-02-11 17:32:57 <Scrat> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/archive/0.7.2.zip
557 2013-02-11 17:33:20 <EskimoBob> there is no way to do it with git?
558 2013-02-11 17:33:29 <Scrat> if you want to clone it git://git.github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/tree/0.7.2
559 2013-02-11 17:33:37 <rdponticelli> EskimoBob: Maybe what you're looking for is: git checkout v0.7.2
560 2013-02-11 17:33:54 <rdponticelli> If you already are on a cloned repository
561 2013-02-11 17:34:47 <EskimoBob> rdponticelli: yes. That's the word
562 2013-02-11 17:34:59 <rdponticelli> ;)
563 2013-02-11 17:35:07 <EskimoBob> git tag -l
564 2013-02-11 17:35:35 <EskimoBob> $ git checkout v0.7.2
565 2013-02-11 17:35:39 <EskimoBob> is that correct?
566 2013-02-11 17:35:47 <rdponticelli> Should be
567 2013-02-11 17:35:48 <sipa> EskimoBob: yes
568 2013-02-11 17:36:01 <EskimoBob> thank you for your help
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570 2013-02-11 17:38:23 <EskimoBob> "for production use" do you mean mining? Is it OK to use it for moving millions? ;)
571 2013-02-11 17:39:26 <EskimoBob> fuck: A fatal error occurred. Bitcoin can no longer continue safely and will quit.
572 2013-02-11 17:39:28 <EskimoBob> EXCEPTION: St13runtime_error
573 2013-02-11 17:39:30 <EskimoBob> CLevelDB(): error opening database environment IO error: lock /home/mart/.bitcoin/blocks/index/LOCK: Resource temporarily unavailable
574 2013-02-11 17:39:32 <EskimoBob> bitcoin in Runaway exception
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576 2013-02-11 17:40:36 <EskimoBob> that was stupid, I guess back to downloading that fkn 4 Gb monster files
577 2013-02-11 17:41:06 <EskimoBob> and it not my PC :(
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579 2013-02-11 17:41:57 <sipa> EskimoBob: sounds like it's already running
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590 2013-02-11 18:13:23 <EskimoBob> it sure did some damage. 14K bloks needs to be downloaded
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592 2013-02-11 18:16:56 <ne0futur> EskimoBob: diskspace ?
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594 2013-02-11 18:19:44 <EskimoBob> ne0futur: no, I started 0.8.0rc1 qt while 0.7.something was running with -daemon
595 2013-02-11 18:20:55 <EskimoBob> so now its sucking down blocks from last 100 days
596 2013-02-11 18:22:12 <ne0futur> arf
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598 2013-02-11 18:23:06 <EskimoBob> and at this rate, it will take about 237 min...
599 2013-02-11 18:23:07 <discrete> who hear is mining on bitcoin.cz
600 2013-02-11 18:23:23 <EskimoBob> or 4 hours
601 2013-02-11 18:23:46 <discrete> I am not able to retrieve work from RPC server
602 2013-02-11 18:23:59 <discrete> http://api.bitcoin.cz:8332
603 2013-02-11 18:24:11 <discrete> could it be that I am new to the pool
604 2013-02-11 18:24:31 <discrete> I am using rpcminer
605 2013-02-11 18:24:56 <discrete> can someone help me out?
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611 2013-02-11 18:30:50 <Eliel_> discrete: you might have more luck asking on the pool's own irc-channel.
612 2013-02-11 18:34:15 <ProfMac> ;ident ProfMac
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614 2013-02-11 18:41:19 <ProfMac> ;;ident profmac
615 2013-02-11 18:41:20 <gribble> Nick 'profmac', with hostmask 'ProfMac!42ea7b1c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.234.123.28', is identified as user ProfMac, with GPG key id 4B238EBE02617AB2, key fingerprint 6AEA1BC998E702854BD3BD0C4B238EBE02617AB2, and bitcoin address 1fdAs2wtgAUbNmaLMeFrABQUpBSjhLhV8
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617 2013-02-11 18:42:05 <ProfMac> does anyone have a utility that will dump peers.dat to a human readable file?
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625 2013-02-11 19:13:56 <jgarzik> ProfMac: http://bitcoin.sipa.be/seeds.txt
626 2013-02-11 19:14:36 <casascius> wondering if I can direct some bitcointalk mod attention to the following thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=92969.660;topicseen
627 2013-02-11 19:14:42 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: well, thats not peers.dat...
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629 2013-02-11 19:19:07 <casascius> specifically, the bitcoin gift certificate someone has created featuring what looks like a 6-year-old girl.  image likely problematic if it spreads
630 2013-02-11 19:20:43 <Luke-Jr> casascius: wrong place to report it
631 2013-02-11 19:23:05 <sipa> ProfMac: i once had a patch for bitcoind to dump peers.dat in a human-readable format
632 2013-02-11 19:23:10 <sipa> not sure if i still have it
633 2013-02-11 19:24:00 <jgarzik> casascius: not much forum modding going on in here.  We all think the forum is a ghetto ;p
634 2013-02-11 19:24:07 <jgarzik> casascius: try reporting it
635 2013-02-11 19:24:23 <casascius> reported a while back
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638 2013-02-11 19:26:22 <casascius> it may well be a ghetto, having that image not circulate on the internet is in the project's best interest, anyone able to pull it ought to.  there, I've done my part =)
639 2013-02-11 19:27:07 <ProfMac> Thanks jgarzik.  I have also teleported to Ubuntu land and used grep 'version message' < debug.log to get a similar thing.  I will probably wade into the data structure of peers.dat and do my own dump utility if one does not exist.  Sigh, I haven't even compiled the reference, so this is not a 1 hour task.
640 2013-02-11 19:27:16 <Luke-Jr> casascius: theymos is big on not moderating
641 2013-02-11 19:27:32 <jgarzik> ProfMac: it's not an easy task, as you must grok the serialized data format
642 2013-02-11 19:27:34 <ProfMac> sipa, I'd love to know more about your patch.
643 2013-02-11 19:27:45 <jgarzik> ProfMac: peers.dat is serialized CAddrMan object
644 2013-02-11 19:28:54 <webb> so if i buy a 1500$ Bitcoin miner GPU i can make 200$ per month out of it?
645 2013-02-11 19:29:02 <ProfMac> I don't know cpp.  But the Satoshi client seems to be really well done, I almost understand it.  Only two more levels to go before I grok.
646 2013-02-11 19:29:38 <Luke-Jr> webb: doubtful
647 2013-02-11 19:30:45 <discrete> - Im finally running multiple workers
648 2013-02-11 19:31:01 <discrete> is 240 mhash/s decent?
649 2013-02-11 19:31:18 <discrete> will I be able to generate 2-3 bitcoins a month?
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652 2013-02-11 19:33:05 * Luke-Jr redirects webb and discrete over to #bitcoin-mining
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654 2013-02-11 19:33:34 <sipa> ;;genrate 240
655 2013-02-11 19:33:35 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 240.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 3275464.58657, is 0.0368489906557 BTC per day and 0.00153537461065 BTC per hour.
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660 2013-02-11 19:35:30 <discrete> thanks!
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663 2013-02-11 19:36:05 <discrete> so that puts me at 1 btc per month
664 2013-02-11 19:36:06 <discrete> lol
665 2013-02-11 19:36:25 <discrete> :'(
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667 2013-02-11 19:36:54 <sipa> discrete: also, if ASIC usage starts soon, global hash rate may rise very significantly
668 2013-02-11 19:37:00 <sipa> making GPU mining even less profitable
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675 2013-02-11 20:02:04 <velige> hi jgarzik, how are you?
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677 2013-02-11 20:03:07 <velige> and luke-jr too. how is our luke-jr?
678 2013-02-11 20:03:33 <velige> my two favorite people
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681 2013-02-11 20:05:45 <velige> aren't you two feeling well today? isn't everybody here ok with them? don't we all love them?
682 2013-02-11 20:07:05 <velige> i am a big luke-jr and jgarzik fan
683 2013-02-11 20:07:16 <velige> i even got an autograph
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685 2013-02-11 20:07:58 <jgarzik> velige: on topic, please
686 2013-02-11 20:10:55 <discrete> ;;genrate 3026000
687 2013-02-11 20:10:57 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 3026000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 3275464.58657, is 464.604357184 BTC per day and 19.3585148827 BTC per hour.
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695 2013-02-11 20:28:53 <discrete> I have access to free electricity
696 2013-02-11 20:29:13 <sipa> do you also have free hardware?
697 2013-02-11 20:29:24 <discrete> nope wanna invest in ASICs
698 2013-02-11 20:29:26 <discrete> lol
699 2013-02-11 20:29:45 <discrete> or is it to late
700 2013-02-11 20:30:02 <discrete> is the marketplace taken over by the bigpools
701 2013-02-11 20:30:12 <discrete> and the leaders within
702 2013-02-11 20:30:17 <gmaxwell> 0_o
703 2013-02-11 20:30:31 <gmaxwell> This conversation would probably be better had in #bitcoin.
704 2013-02-11 20:32:12 * gmaxwell invites discrete to #bitcoin
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737 2013-02-11 22:15:04 <ProfMac> ident
738 2013-02-11 22:15:15 <ProfMac> ;; ident
739 2013-02-11 22:15:16 <gribble> You are identified as user ProfMac, with GPG key id 4B238EBE02617AB2, key fingerprint 6AEA1BC998E702854BD3BD0C4B238EBE02617AB2, and bitcoin address 1fdAs2wtgAUbNmaLMeFrABQUpBSjhLhV8
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743 2013-02-11 22:30:59 <MC1984> 100 blocks to go and bitcoin is not really pegging my CPU
744 2013-02-11 22:31:01 <MC1984> is that normal
745 2013-02-11 22:32:15 <MC1984> thrashing HDD like a cat o nine tails though
746 2013-02-11 22:32:22 <sipa> 0.8?
747 2013-02-11 22:32:30 <MC1984> c1
748 2013-02-11 22:32:33 <MC1984> rc1
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750 2013-02-11 22:34:10 <johnywin> -dev
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752 2013-02-11 22:35:26 <johnywin> #bitcoin-dev
753 2013-02-11 22:35:32 * TD brings up a new 0.8 node on a bitvps
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755 2013-02-11 22:35:49 <TD> let's hope it doesn't crater this server like it did for my last one :(
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757 2013-02-11 22:36:11 <MC1984> also i kp forgetting to ask, does filesystem fragmentation have a great effect on IBD
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761 2013-02-11 22:37:20 <johnywin> #bitcoin-dev
762 2013-02-11 22:38:04 <MC1984> umm yes you ae here bro
763 2013-02-11 22:38:52 <MC1984> MFW ive got 4gb free space left on this drive and im stuffing it full of others peoples gambling habits
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768 2013-02-11 22:42:54 <TD> sipa: what's up with the renamed directories?
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772 2013-02-11 22:45:15 <TD> sipa: btw one thing i thought is that nodes shouldn't listen during ibd
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774 2013-02-11 22:45:25 <MC1984> coins was pretty ambiguous
775 2013-02-11 22:45:34 <MC1984> like "wait, MY coins?"
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779 2013-02-11 22:58:38 <gmaxwell> TD: they don't announce themselves during the IBD.
780 2013-02-11 22:58:46 <TD> hm
781 2013-02-11 22:58:56 <gmaxwell> Not exactly the same as not listening, but for a node which wasn't previously announced it's equal.
782 2013-02-11 22:59:01 <TD> i sometimes see nodes that are a long way beyind appear in dns seeds
783 2013-02-11 22:59:04 <TD> perhaps they were reset
784 2013-02-11 22:59:18 <gmaxwell> TD: There are nodes that are simply stuck.
785 2013-02-11 22:59:22 <gmaxwell> They'll never recover.
786 2013-02-11 22:59:30 <TD> i saw one that was 0.8
787 2013-02-11 22:59:41 <gmaxwell> Sure— nodes get stuck due to disk corruption too.
788 2013-02-11 22:59:49 <gmaxwell> well, hm. that one might have just be reset as you say.
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790 2013-02-11 23:03:51 <sipa> TD: there was an incompatible-with-unreleased-code change that was made anyway (drop support for non-checksummed undo files), so that was an opportunity to change the confusing names
791 2013-02-11 23:03:57 <TD> ok
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793 2013-02-11 23:04:55 <MC1984> Connect 692 transactions: 10435.01ms (15.079ms/tx, 9.145ms/txin)
794 2013-02-11 23:06:16 <sipa> MC1984: is that single-threaded?
795 2013-02-11 23:06:32 <MC1984> yes
796 2013-02-11 23:06:55 <sipa> do you have similar ms/txin numbers during reindex?
797 2013-02-11 23:07:19 <MC1984> i dont know yet
798 2013-02-11 23:07:32 <MC1984> its after the checkpoint
799 2013-02-11 23:07:40 <sipa> during reindex, after the last checkpoint, i mean
800 2013-02-11 23:08:42 <MC1984> ill reindex overnight once the sync is finished
801 2013-02-11 23:08:50 <sipa> ok
802 2013-02-11 23:09:03 <MC1984> are those numbers bad?
803 2013-02-11 23:09:10 <sipa> if that 9ms/txin is (mostly) due to signature checking, it's really slow
804 2013-02-11 23:09:33 <MC1984> wellbitcoin is hammering the cpu now
805 2013-02-11 23:09:49 <sipa> i see around 0.6ms/txin here
806 2013-02-11 23:10:02 <TD> does -par get set automatically, or do i have to set it myself?
807 2013-02-11 23:10:17 <sipa> TD: by default it's equal to the number of detected cores
808 2013-02-11 23:10:21 <TD> ok, cool
809 2013-02-11 23:10:40 <MC1984> what would cause it to be that slow
810 2013-02-11 23:10:46 <sipa> MC1984: what CPU?
811 2013-02-11 23:10:47 <MC1984> this cpu is a Dothan 1.6ghz
812 2013-02-11 23:11:18 <sipa> MC1984: can you find your cpu here: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php ?
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816 2013-02-11 23:12:27 <MC1984> that site just crashed my browser lol
817 2013-02-11 23:12:43 <sipa> i assume it's a pentium m
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820 2013-02-11 23:13:10 <MC1984> penitum m dothan 1.6
821 2013-02-11 23:14:12 <sipa> not too surprising, if i see the benchmarks on that site
822 2013-02-11 23:14:43 <MC1984> what cpu have you got|
823 2013-02-11 23:14:45 <Scrat> ancient in-order cpu
824 2013-02-11 23:14:54 <Scrat> their IPC is incredibly low
825 2013-02-11 23:15:05 <MC1984> its not in order
826 2013-02-11 23:15:05 <sipa> naively interpreting the per-core performance numbers there, i expect your cpu to be around 7 times slower
827 2013-02-11 23:15:54 <MC1984> is bitcoin optimised for a certain amount of cache
828 2013-02-11 23:16:03 <MC1984> this has got 2mb whih is still respectable
829 2013-02-11 23:16:09 <sipa> not really
830 2013-02-11 23:16:17 <Scrat> MC1984: you're right. but it's scary how much juice per mhz you get today compared to 8 years ago
831 2013-02-11 23:16:19 <sipa> (optimized for a certain amount)
832 2013-02-11 23:16:44 <MC1984> what i the verification engine fit in the cache?
833 2013-02-11 23:16:50 <MC1984> mite b cool
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835 2013-02-11 23:18:15 <MC1984> i remember people going bananas at the first 512kb cache chips back in the day, because a seti@home work unit fit completely in it
836 2013-02-11 23:18:17 <MC1984> heh
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839 2013-02-11 23:19:39 <MC1984> well this is a pain in the ass, but not so much if it was being done low priority in the background
840 2013-02-11 23:19:42 <MC1984> hint hint
841 2013-02-11 23:20:12 <sipa> see #2199
842 2013-02-11 23:20:52 <MC1984> Verify 2608 txins: 26257.76ms (10.068ms/txin) 26 seconds lawd
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850 2013-02-11 23:28:52 <serp> hello fellers
851 2013-02-11 23:30:07 <amiller> sup serp
852 2013-02-11 23:30:08 <serp> I installed bitcoin-qt 0.8 fresh on a win7 machine.. on day 3 of syncing.. i was questioning whether this is still expected given the updates with bloom filtering and db improvements
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855 2013-02-11 23:30:55 <sipa> bloom filtering won't help you - it's for light clients fetching transactions from you
856 2013-02-11 23:31:06 <sipa> and 3 days is certainly unexpectedly slow
857 2013-02-11 23:31:27 <MC1984> i thought i had it bad
858 2013-02-11 23:31:30 <serp> that was   normal for prior versions for me
859 2013-02-11 23:31:36 <serp> at the same hardware
860 2013-02-11 23:32:08 <serp> at least going from scratch
861 2013-02-11 23:33:35 <sipa> what hardware/disk/network connection?
862 2013-02-11 23:35:16 <serp> intel core 2 duo, 4gb ram, probably a 7200 rpm disk... network is pretty fast cable (at least for US)
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865 2013-02-11 23:36:18 <sipa> and is it making progress?
866 2013-02-11 23:36:23 <sipa> how far are you?
867 2013-02-11 23:36:27 <serp> yes it's getting close now
868 2013-02-11 23:36:36 <serp> i can sit and watch it and it'll maek progress
869 2013-02-11 23:36:39 <sipa> how many left?
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871 2013-02-11 23:36:47 <serp> 5034 blocks
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873 2013-02-11 23:37:21 <sipa> ;;calc 216116-[bc,blocks]
874 2013-02-11 23:37:22 <gribble> -4617
875 2013-02-11 23:37:56 <sipa> have you tried exiting and restarting?
876 2013-02-11 23:38:10 <serp> i have not done that.. just started it and let it go
877 2013-02-11 23:38:15 <Scrat> serp: something wrong with your system. my laptop has the same specs and it took around 7 hrs
878 2013-02-11 23:38:42 <sipa> you may be unlucky and got a slow peer to download from
879 2013-02-11 23:38:56 <sipa> the sync mechanism is pretty stupid and sometimes gets confused
880 2013-02-11 23:39:14 <sipa> stopping and restarting (unfortunately) really helps sometimes
881 2013-02-11 23:39:21 <serp> k i will try
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884 2013-02-11 23:39:50 <sipa> Scrat: i would even consider that ridiculously slow
885 2013-02-11 23:40:07 <serp> uhh after restart it's now down to 2700 left
886 2013-02-11 23:40:27 <sipa> it's only a guess
887 2013-02-11 23:40:37 <sipa> it doesn't know the real number of blocks until it has them
888 2013-02-11 23:40:56 <serp> right
889 2013-02-11 23:41:02 <serp> but it halfed when i restarted
890 2013-02-11 23:41:06 <serp> well almost
891 2013-02-11 23:41:18 <serp> oh now it's back up .. disregard :)
892 2013-02-11 23:42:46 <serp> what is a reasonable expectation for a full sync now on such a machine
893 2013-02-11 23:42:54 <serp> assuming a decent peer is chosen
894 2013-02-11 23:42:57 <Scrat> sipa: in a VM :)
895 2013-02-11 23:43:29 <sipa> serp: in perfect conditions, half an hour or so
896 2013-02-11 23:43:53 <sipa> though in practice i haven't seen any reports for less than an hour
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898 2013-02-11 23:46:53 <serp> what are the light clients... is this/will this be built into bitcoin-qt or is it to support like electrum?  or perhaps something different?
899 2013-02-11 23:47:40 <sipa> electrum is technically not a real client, as it doesn't connect to the network (it connects to a special server)
900 2013-02-11 23:47:59 <sipa> though it certainly classifies as light
901 2013-02-11 23:48:22 <sipa> multibit and bitcoin wallet for android are light clients, and they will probably soon support bloom filtering
902 2013-02-11 23:48:37 <sipa> bitcoin-qt implements a full node, which is the opposite of a light client
903 2013-02-11 23:48:38 <Scrat> will an SPV client gain anything by storing the UXTO database?
904 2013-02-11 23:48:52 <sipa> an SPV client doesn't verify transactions
905 2013-02-11 23:49:00 <sipa> no point for it to have an UTXO database
906 2013-02-11 23:49:07 <Scrat> ye
907 2013-02-11 23:49:58 <gmaxwell> By definition a SPV client does "simplified payment validation" it never checks if txn are valid— it only checks that they're in a chain— hopefully a valid chain (but they wouldn't know— except by hoping that there is a unique longest chain and that its valid)
908 2013-02-11 23:51:04 * sipa benchmarks a sync from scratch over the internet
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