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  37 2013-02-13 01:04:42 <MobGod> anyone know how i can get the BTC symbol
  38 2013-02-13 01:05:00 <MobGod> err from a mac keyboard a way to type it like $
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  43 2013-02-13 01:10:33 <Luke-Jr> MobGod: doubt it, it's a composed Unicode character
  44 2013-02-13 01:11:12 <Luke-Jr> can just copy and paste: B⃦
  45 2013-02-13 01:11:16 <MobGod> Luke-Jr do i have any other choice for this
  46 2013-02-13 01:11:30 <Luke-Jr> MobGod: like copy and paste?
  47 2013-02-13 01:11:57 <MobGod> don't think that will work either trying that right now
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  50 2013-02-13 01:17:13 <MobGod> Luke-Jr do you know what the rest of these settings should be
  51 2013-02-13 01:17:18 <MobGod> http://mobgod.biz/share/images/store.jpg
  52 2013-02-13 01:17:47 <MobGod> didn't really see anything in docs about those settings
  53 2013-02-13 01:17:57 <Luke-Jr> well, value will change every few minutes.. :p
  54 2013-02-13 01:18:05 <Luke-Jr> and BTC is not a valid ISO code
  55 2013-02-13 01:19:16 <MobGod> ok can you tell me what those settings should be oplease
  56 2013-02-13 01:20:12 <Luke-Jr> there is no ISO code for Bitcoin
  57 2013-02-13 01:20:30 <Luke-Jr> and like I said, value will change regularly
  58 2013-02-13 01:20:33 <Luke-Jr> everything else is fine
  59 2013-02-13 01:21:36 <MobGod> ok so code gets left blank alone with value right
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  62 2013-02-13 01:28:37 <MobGod> is that correct Luke-Jr leave it blank
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  70 2013-02-13 01:42:46 <jgarzik> <Eleuthria> But I'm noticing bitcoind is still fairly sluggish when its been running for a while
  71 2013-02-13 01:42:46 <jgarzik> <Eleuthria> The time for it to respond with a new getblocktemplate seems to creep up steadily the longer it has been running
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  73 2013-02-13 01:43:21 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: any idea what code he's talking about— that certantly used to be the case.
  74 2013-02-13 01:43:46 <gmaxwell> (because we never forgot doublespent transactions, so the mempool would grow forever, and scanning it to create a block template too longer and longer)
  75 2013-02-13 01:44:00 <gmaxwell> That isn't the case in 0.8, however.
  76 2013-02-13 01:44:14 <gmaxwell> And all p2pool users have insane charting of the GBT latency now.
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  78 2013-02-13 01:46:43 <gmaxwell> http://p2pool.bouton.name:9332/static/graphs.html?Week (see the second to last chart— I dunno what version thats running as I just found it in a google search)
  79 2013-02-13 01:48:04 <jgarzik> gmaxwell: <Eleuthria> Aye, all Stratum servers except Germany have been moved over to 0.8 (either pre-0.8 or 0.8 rc)
  80 2013-02-13 01:48:50 <gmaxwell> welp, more data would be nice— because the graphing done by p2pool nodes doesn't show "creep up steadily the longer it has been running"
  81 2013-02-13 01:49:01 <gmaxwell> perhaps he's just seeing the inital creep when the pool goes from totally empty?
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 207 2013-02-13 09:01:43 <ATC777> anyone around? :P
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 211 2013-02-13 09:32:02 <sipa> no
 212 2013-02-13 09:32:28 <petertodd> robot
 213 2013-02-13 09:32:55 <ATC777> I could really use some help... trying to fix a corrupted wallet with pywallet.py
 214 2013-02-13 09:33:10 <petertodd> oh yeah?
 215 2013-02-13 09:33:11 <SomeoneWeird> what's wrong with it?
 216 2013-02-13 09:33:12 <ATC777> have no idea wth I'm doing... Python is a totally foreign thing to me
 217 2013-02-13 09:33:36 <petertodd> what are you trying to do?
 218 2013-02-13 09:34:04 <sipa> ATC777: have you tried -salvagewallet ?
 219 2013-02-13 09:34:06 <ATC777> I played a couple rounds of satoshidice with BitcoinQT the other day and then a double-spend tx got sent (I didn't do it) and it corrupted my wallet... I've got frozen 0/6 confirm transactions stuck
 220 2013-02-13 09:34:22 <sipa> ah
 221 2013-02-13 09:34:24 <ATC777> there's 9.50+ BTC in the wallet I cant get out
 222 2013-02-13 09:34:26 <petertodd> interesting, whats the tx hash?
 223 2013-02-13 09:34:45 <ATC777> the tx hashes return no result on blockchain.info
 224 2013-02-13 09:34:51 <ATC777> I checked them
 225 2013-02-13 09:34:57 <ATC777> I tried to do a payment to self
 226 2013-02-13 09:34:58 <petertodd> well, one of them must
 227 2013-02-13 09:35:19 <ATC777> to move the coins to another address, and that transaction froze in purgatory as well and never showed in blockchain
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 229 2013-02-13 09:35:57 <ATC777> gmax told me to run pywallet and delete those transactions and it will be fine... <-- how to actually do that is why I'm here
 230 2013-02-13 09:35:58 <petertodd> yeah, payment to self through the gui won't work, creating a tx manually with the raw tx api does
 231 2013-02-13 09:36:24 <petertodd> admittedly I've never used pywallet
 232 2013-02-13 09:36:37 <petertodd> what version are you on?
 233 2013-02-13 09:36:44 <doublec> ATC777: is this you https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=142395
 234 2013-02-13 09:36:56 <doublec> or rather, is that the problem you are having
 235 2013-02-13 09:37:00 <ATC777> yes
 236 2013-02-13 09:37:05 <ATC777> both
 237 2013-02-13 09:37:06 <ATC777> lol
 238 2013-02-13 09:38:38 <ATC777> I've been asking around Bitcointalk and on OTC how to do this and seems no one will tell me :S
 239 2013-02-13 09:39:16 <petertodd> hmm... I don't see anything in pywallet that dumps transactions
 240 2013-02-13 09:39:56 <ATC777> well is there some other way? something other than pywallet? I'll try anything that will work
 241 2013-02-13 09:40:53 <SomeoneWeird> (i hope you backed up your wallet before trying anything on it)
 242 2013-02-13 09:41:03 <weex> ATC777: you could dump your privkeys and import them into a new wallet
 243 2013-02-13 09:41:24 <weex> since they're really what matters
 244 2013-02-13 09:41:49 <ATC777> will that work? When I open the QT console and enter "listunspent" I cant see where the coins actually *are*
 245 2013-02-13 09:41:53 <petertodd> ATC777: after you load them into the new wallet, you use -rescan to scan the whole block chain and find coins sent to you
 246 2013-02-13 09:41:59 <ATC777> each unspent out has a tiny amount
 247 2013-02-13 09:42:19 <petertodd> listunspent gives you the list of unspent transaction with one or more confirmations, use listunspent 0 to see all the ones that aren't confirming
 248 2013-02-13 09:42:22 <weex> ATC777:  you'll shut down bitcoin-qt, then run...hang on a sec
 249 2013-02-13 09:42:55 <weex> pywallet --dumpwallet (might have to give it a --datadir= )
 250 2013-02-13 09:43:07 <ATC777> so try "listunspent 0" and see what it says?
 251 2013-02-13 09:43:12 <petertodd> yup
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 253 2013-02-13 09:43:13 <weex> that should give you a file with every address and privkey in json
 254 2013-02-13 09:43:26 <petertodd> anythign that says confirmations=0 is unconfirmed
 255 2013-02-13 09:43:30 <ATC777> weex: even if wallet is encrypted?
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 257 2013-02-13 09:43:53 <weex> ahh missed that part
 258 2013-02-13 09:44:00 <petertodd> ATC777: pywallet has a --password flag
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 260 2013-02-13 09:44:44 <ATC777> "listunspent 0" found where the coins are hiding :D
 261 2013-02-13 09:44:51 <ATC777> they still exist, yay lol
 262 2013-02-13 09:45:41 <epscy> weex: that json file, can you import that in to stock bitcoind easily?
 263 2013-02-13 09:45:54 <weex> not that i know of
 264 2013-02-13 09:46:02 <weex> but you can importprivkey individual privkeys
 265 2013-02-13 09:46:32 <weex> importprivkey is in bitcoind
 266 2013-02-13 09:47:06 <ATC777> can someone point me to the place to download the correct/working version of pywallet?
 267 2013-02-13 09:47:11 <ATC777> to make sure I'm using the right thing
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 269 2013-02-13 09:47:23 <ATC777> and give me some actual instruction on how to launch it and use it :P
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 271 2013-02-13 09:48:51 <weex> i have the one at https://github.com/jackjack-jj/pywallet.git
 272 2013-02-13 09:49:22 <weex> but it's quite simple as long as you have python installed
 273 2013-02-13 09:49:23 <ATC777> and it works with Pyhton 2.7? or 3.3? or ... ?
 274 2013-02-13 09:49:31 <weex> 2.7 i'm sure
 275 2013-02-13 09:50:02 <weex> probably would be better to move this to #bitcoin though as this isn't really a dev thing
 276 2013-02-13 09:50:11 <ATC777> the link gives me a code box with the script in it... so I have to copy+paste it and save it myself?
 277 2013-02-13 09:50:32 <ATC777> ah well, MCM-Mike suggested I come here... said you guys would know what to do
 278 2013-02-13 09:50:40 <SomeoneWeird> it's not THAT offtopic
 279 2013-02-13 09:50:50 <SomeoneWeird> nothing else is happening in here either though
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 281 2013-02-13 09:51:21 <weex> ok... ATC777 yeah you can copypaste it in a file called pywallet.py
 282 2013-02-13 09:51:31 <ATC777> ANSI?
 283 2013-02-13 09:51:38 <ne0futur> je bookmarka
 284 2013-02-13 09:51:41 <ne0futur> oups
 285 2013-02-13 09:51:51 <weex> le ANSI what?
 286 2013-02-13 09:52:06 <ne0futur> ATC777: the correct version of pywallet couldbe to install linux :p
 287 2013-02-13 09:52:15 <ne0futur> and then have the good python version
 288 2013-02-13 09:52:35 <weex> https://github.com/jackjack-jj/pywallet/archive/master.zip
 289 2013-02-13 09:52:40 <weex> that's the best link to get it with
 290 2013-02-13 09:53:23 <ATC777> I dont have any way to run Linux right now... I just need to get my coinzzzz :P
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 294 2013-02-13 09:54:39 <weex> you can get python for windows from python.org
 295 2013-02-13 09:55:03 <SomeoneWeird> give me your wallet i'll fix it
 296 2013-02-13 09:55:04 <SomeoneWeird> >.>
 297 2013-02-13 09:55:06 <SomeoneWeird> <.<
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 299 2013-02-13 09:56:15 <ATC777> that version of pywallet definitely did something lol
 300 2013-02-13 09:57:00 <ATC777> I used "python pywallet.py --dumpwallet" as instructed and it looks like it did it... I dunno where the file is though
 301 2013-02-13 09:57:07 <SomeoneWeird> .
 302 2013-02-13 09:57:57 <ne0futur> ATC777: you tried with python 2.7 or still trying with python 3.x ?
 303 2013-02-13 09:58:17 <weex> ATC777: normally it will dump to the stdio
 304 2013-02-13 09:58:34 <ATC777> "the stdio"?
 305 2013-02-13 09:58:35 <weex> so you wanna put a "> wallet-dump.txt" on the end
 306 2013-02-13 09:58:46 <weex> so it puts the dump into a file
 307 2013-02-13 09:58:53 <weex> st st stdio
 308 2013-02-13 09:59:07 <ATC777> hold on lol...
 309 2013-02-13 09:59:21 <weex> sorry that makes no sense
 310 2013-02-13 09:59:24 <weex> stdout does though
 311 2013-02-13 09:59:25 <ATC777> all of this simulataneous information is overwhelming me lol
 312 2013-02-13 10:00:14 <ATC777> ok, I have an encrypted wallet... I have python.py in the same directory as python.exe (Python 2.7)... what do I type into command prompt?
 313 2013-02-13 10:00:41 <ATC777> I could also copy and paste the wallet.dat in the same directory if that would simplify things.
 314 2013-02-13 10:01:29 <weex> python pywallet.py --dumpwallet > dumped-wallet.txt
 315 2013-02-13 10:01:43 <weex> not sure if you need the datadir
 316 2013-02-13 10:02:03 <petertodd> you also need to use --password
 317 2013-02-13 10:02:08 <weex> but if so you'd put a --datadir=%appdata%/Bitcoin i think
 318 2013-02-13 10:02:11 <ATC777> show me a complete example maybe?
 319 2013-02-13 10:02:19 <weex> that's all i got
 320 2013-02-13 10:02:46 <ATC777> I mean pretend you're me... type it into the cmd prompt (here) :D
 321 2013-02-13 10:03:02 <ATC777> so I can see it, and make sure I get the syntax right
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 323 2013-02-13 10:04:13 <weex> you on xp or 7?
 324 2013-02-13 10:04:48 <ATC777> 7
 325 2013-02-13 10:05:16 <doublec> .\python.exe pywallet.py --password --dumpwallet >foo.txt
 326 2013-02-13 10:05:20 <doublec> ATC777: something like that
 327 2013-02-13 10:05:42 <weex> python pywallet.py --dumpwallet --password > dumped-wallet.txt
 328 2013-02-13 10:07:05 <weex> any errors?
 329 2013-02-13 10:07:20 <weex> any new files in that folder?
 330 2013-02-13 10:09:02 <ATC777> "no such option password"
 331 2013-02-13 10:09:28 <weex> yeah i didn't see that one either
 332 2013-02-13 10:09:56 <weex> how long's it been since your transaction went into the ether?
 333 2013-02-13 10:10:22 <ATC777> I tried replacing --password with --<my passphrase here> and that didn't work... also tried "--password <passphrase>" and that also doesnt work
 334 2013-02-13 10:10:26 <ATC777> couple days
 335 2013-02-13 10:10:46 <doublec> ATC777: try without "--password"
 336 2013-02-13 10:12:09 <ATC777> I think that did it... the file was created :-)
 337 2013-02-13 10:12:50 <ATC777> yep!!!
 338 2013-02-13 10:12:53 <ATC777> :D
 339 2013-02-13 10:12:59 <ATC777> now what?
 340 2013-02-13 10:13:02 <weex> did you have to enter your password?
 341 2013-02-13 10:13:08 <weex> open the file
 342 2013-02-13 10:13:15 <weex> see if there are any private keys in thar
 343 2013-02-13 10:13:23 <ATC777> yes... got rid of the "--" and "--password" and just replaced it with the actual passphrase
 344 2013-02-13 10:13:29 <ATC777> how/where?
 345 2013-02-13 10:13:46 <weex> notepad dumped-wallet.txt
 346 2013-02-13 10:14:08 <weex> or open Computer and get to the folder in question and double click on the file
 347 2013-02-13 10:14:18 <ATC777> I've already got it open... its a huge file...
 348 2013-02-13 10:14:30 <ATC777> I wanna know where to find it and what I'm looking for lol
 349 2013-02-13 10:14:56 <ATC777> this is my first time, so I'm completely ignorant :P
 350 2013-02-13 10:15:00 <weex> huge file is good i think, you'll need to search for the address that held the coins before
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 352 2013-02-13 10:15:27 <Scrat> ATC777 moral of the story? don't play SD
 353 2013-02-13 10:15:41 <ATC777> ...with BitcoinQT ;-)
 354 2013-02-13 10:15:49 <ATC777> lol
 355 2013-02-13 10:17:21 <ATC777> ok... so ???
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 357 2013-02-13 10:17:53 <weex> did you find the "from" address in there?
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 363 2013-02-13 10:23:33 <ATC777> sorry, had to restart my client
 364 2013-02-13 10:24:45 <weex> < weex> did you find the "from" address in there?
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 366 2013-02-13 10:26:17 <ATC777> I dunno what you're talking about :S
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 368 2013-02-13 10:27:07 <ATC777> I dunno what I'm looking for in this file or how to find it... you've gotta explain :P
 369 2013-02-13 10:28:27 <ATC777> ??
 370 2013-02-13 10:28:30 <weex> actually, i'm falling asleep...my last suggestion is to check the input addresses on your stuck transaction and find the privkeys for those addresses.
 371 2013-02-13 10:28:42 <weex> you can import them to a blockchain.info/wallet
 372 2013-02-13 10:28:44 <ATC777> how?
 373 2013-02-13 10:29:22 <ATC777> and there are several frozen transactions and I think the coin came from multiple addresses
 374 2013-02-13 10:30:04 <ATC777> and how/where do I find a private key in this file?
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 401 2013-02-13 11:49:38 <lupine313> I was wondering if someone wouldn't mind holding my hand a bit - I'm trying my hand at creating a tool to create a bitcoin key pair based on a passphrase
 402 2013-02-13 11:49:44 <lupine313> initially trying in php
 403 2013-02-13 11:50:00 <lupine313> i'd like to duplicate the functionality of bitaddress.org
 404 2013-02-13 11:50:26 <lupine313> so i could take the sha256 hash of a passphrase and then generate the private key and public bitcoin address from that
 405 2013-02-13 11:50:51 <lupine313> and i'm having problems finding material to help out with this…i've found lots of people asking, but all of the references i see generate the key pair randomly and not based on a passphrase
 406 2013-02-13 11:50:58 <lupine313> and i cant figure out how to adapt them
 407 2013-02-13 11:53:27 <lupine313> if anyone could help out, i'd be quite appreciative
 408 2013-02-13 12:10:49 <ne0futur> lupine313: the script here : http://dot-bit.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=779
 409 2013-02-13 12:10:52 <ne0futur> could help you
 410 2013-02-13 12:11:28 <lupine313> so its getting the private key from a PEM file
 411 2013-02-13 12:11:38 <lupine313> i guess i need to figure out how to generate a PEM based on a passphrase
 412 2013-02-13 12:13:00 <ne0futur> http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showthread.php?683840-Creating-PEM-file-via-openssl
 413 2013-02-13 12:13:11 <ne0futur> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1170700/need-to-create-a-pem-file
 414 2013-02-13 12:14:30 <lupine313> those dont really say how to create one based on a passphrase
 415 2013-02-13 12:14:45 <lupine313> and i think theres an easier way
 416 2013-02-13 12:15:07 <lupine313> for example, I can just do something like this:  echo -n 'password' | shasum -a 256 to get the privkey
 417 2013-02-13 12:15:19 <lupine313> so i want to be able to take that output and generate the bitcoin address with it
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 419 2013-02-13 12:19:32 <lupine313> this page gives a summary of what i want to do:
 420 2013-02-13 12:19:32 <lupine313> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Private_key
 421 2013-02-13 12:19:55 <lupine313> but on the technical part, it just says: When a private key is imported, it always corresponds to exactly one https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Address. Any utility which performs the conversion can display the matching Bitcoin address. The mathematical conversion is somewhat complex and best left to a computer...
 422 2013-02-13 12:20:04 <lupine313> that's not the most helpful :\
 423 2013-02-13 12:21:13 <sipa> it's certainly not trivial to implement
 424 2013-02-13 12:21:19 <Jouke> lupine313: why don't you look in the source of bitaddress.org?
 425 2013-02-13 12:21:33 <sipa> and calculating private keys from passphrases is a bad idea, in my opinion
 426 2013-02-13 12:21:50 <sipa> as you're exposing yourself to a brute-force attack by the whole world
 427 2013-02-13 12:22:07 <sipa> and people are bad at estimating how hard their passwords are to crack
 428 2013-02-13 12:22:13 <lupine313> bitaddress.org is all java
 429 2013-02-13 12:22:19 <sipa> javascript
 430 2013-02-13 12:22:28 <lupine313> well, i was planning on using a very long passphrase
 431 2013-02-13 12:22:39 <Jouke> There are allready people that are making rainbowtables of bitcoinaddresses..
 432 2013-02-13 12:23:08 <lupine313> well, I'd still like to try my hand at this
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 434 2013-02-13 12:23:56 <sipa> lupine313: are you familiar with elliptic curve mathematics?
 435 2013-02-13 12:24:03 <lupine313> I'm not, which is the problem
 436 2013-02-13 12:24:11 <lupine313> I haven't worked with libraries like these before
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 439 2013-02-13 12:26:09 <sipa> well if you want to do it in PHP, you'll need EC code in PHP
 440 2013-02-13 12:27:38 <sipa> either find some existing code that does this (for secp256k1), or learn how it works and write it yourself
 441 2013-02-13 12:29:19 <lupine313> I think I found some php code that does this, but I'm not sure how to include any of the EC stuff
 442 2013-02-13 12:29:26 <lupine313> apparently the options are GMP or BCMATH
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 445 2013-02-13 12:35:06 <sipa> lupine313: also, given that you implement it in PHP, does that mean you're doing the calculation server-side, and asking users to send their passphrases to the server?
 446 2013-02-13 12:35:25 <lupine313> im not building this into a site
 447 2013-02-13 12:35:41 <lupine313> just for my own personal use and to become more familiar with this type of code
 448 2013-02-13 12:35:46 <lupine313> this is more of an exercise than anything
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 451 2013-02-13 12:42:57 <enferex> Is there a few test blocks I can download online.  I want to write a block parser, but do not want to download the complete chain.
 452 2013-02-13 12:43:41 <sipa> enferex: use testnet?
 453 2013-02-13 12:44:59 <enferex> sipa: yep, but how large is the block chain?
 454 2013-02-13 12:45:03 <enferex> I just need a few blocks
 455 2013-02-13 12:45:17 <enferex> Im looking on block explorer...
 456 2013-02-13 12:47:09 <sipa> enferex: testnet chain in 20 MiB
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 458 2013-02-13 12:51:27 <enferex> ah ok yeah no biggie
 459 2013-02-13 12:51:46 <enferex> sipa: thanks, ill look for a download somewhere
 460 2013-02-13 12:52:15 <sipa> ./bitcoind -testnet
 461 2013-02-13 12:52:58 <enferex> ah ok thanks
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 467 2013-02-13 13:02:05 <vicep> Hi all
 468 2013-02-13 13:02:47 <vicep> I need to automate payments, my main language is python
 469 2013-02-13 13:03:12 <vicep> what python library should I use to achieve that?
 470 2013-02-13 13:03:35 <vicep> I've been testing python bitcoinrpc
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 472 2013-02-13 13:08:30 <t7> vicep, it might be easier to use an existing API
 473 2013-02-13 13:08:36 <t7> from mtgox or whatever
 474 2013-02-13 13:09:49 <vicep> I'm not trying to buy and sell bitcoin on the market
 475 2013-02-13 13:10:01 <vicep> I need to accept payments
 476 2013-02-13 13:10:16 <t7> yeah there are APIs for just that
 477 2013-02-13 13:10:36 <vicep> there are some stable ones in python that I can trust?
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 479 2013-02-13 13:21:12 <vicep>  I need an API to work with the "bitcoind" on my webserver
 480 2013-02-13 13:21:34 <vicep> some ideas on a library/API that I can trust?
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 482 2013-02-13 13:31:03 <epscy> vicep: it wouldn't be that difficult to write what you need yourself
 483 2013-02-13 13:31:26 <epscy> the workflow will be something like this
 484 2013-02-13 13:31:39 <epscy> assign a new user a unique bitcoin address
 485 2013-02-13 13:32:09 <epscy> then poll bitcoind for any payments you are expecting
 486 2013-02-13 13:32:40 <epscy> what you probably want to consider though, is whether running bitcoind on your web server is a good idea
 487 2013-02-13 13:32:51 <vicep> hi epscy
 488 2013-02-13 13:32:58 <vicep> great!
 489 2013-02-13 13:33:12 <epscy> most bitcoin services use a hot wallet/cold wallet strategy
 490 2013-02-13 13:33:22 <vicep> It is better to have bitcoind on other location?
 491 2013-02-13 13:33:36 <vicep> in other VPS for example
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 493 2013-02-13 13:33:56 <epscy> it might be better to look at gox, bitpay or bitinstant for payment processing
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 495 2013-02-13 13:34:26 <epscy> if you have a bitcoind with significant amounts of coin in the wallet open on the internet then that is a security risk
 496 2013-02-13 13:34:32 <vicep> Ok
 497 2013-02-13 13:34:33 <epscy> you can do it
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 499 2013-02-13 13:34:44 <epscy> i just want to draw your attention to it
 500 2013-02-13 13:34:56 <epscy> because there have been many hacks in the past
 501 2013-02-13 13:34:56 <vicep> I'm very new on the bitcoin
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 503 2013-02-13 13:35:25 <epscy> and the security skills needed are significant
 504 2013-02-13 13:35:28 <vicep> where can I read technical news and developments on bitcoin?
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 506 2013-02-13 13:36:01 <Jouke> vicep: bitcoind has an api
 507 2013-02-13 13:36:24 <Jouke> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/API_reference_%28JSON-RPC%29
 508 2013-02-13 13:36:38 <vicep> Yes I've been playing with a python bitcoinrpc api
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 511 2013-02-13 13:37:07 <vicep> but there is not a lot of information on it
 512 2013-02-13 13:38:08 <vicep> just came here to ask if there is some API that I can trust and have many followers developing it
 513 2013-02-13 13:38:28 <epscy> yeah, the bitcoind API
 514 2013-02-13 13:38:48 <epscy> everything you need to integrate it into your service is there
 515 2013-02-13 13:39:09 <vicep> ok
 516 2013-02-13 13:39:20 <vicep> I will study a little more
 517 2013-02-13 13:39:30 <vicep> thank you for your attention
 518 2013-02-13 13:39:31 <epscy> though i would reccomend against using the accounts system in bitcoind
 519 2013-02-13 13:39:33 <Jouke> All the information is there
 520 2013-02-13 13:39:44 <Jouke> epscy: why?
 521 2013-02-13 13:39:54 <epscy> it's a bit flakey
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 523 2013-02-13 13:40:23 <epscy> most bitcoin services write their own accounting layer anyway
 524 2013-02-13 13:40:36 <vicep> I've also read that a website like satoshidice uses bitcoinj
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 526 2013-02-13 13:40:50 <vicep> there is advantages using this last deamon?
 527 2013-02-13 13:40:52 <Jouke> epscy: hmm, we use it without any problems
 528 2013-02-13 13:41:01 <epscy> Jouke: who is we?
 529 2013-02-13 13:41:28 <epscy> also if you use the accounts system in bitcoind you are hitting it a lot more than you need to if you don't
 530 2013-02-13 13:41:57 <epscy> than if you don't
 531 2013-02-13 13:43:21 <Jouke> We, as in: our company (based in holland).
 532 2013-02-13 13:44:16 <epscy> Jouke: yeah, what is your company?
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 534 2013-02-13 13:44:55 <Jouke> It is called bitonic
 535 2013-02-13 13:45:17 <epscy> what does it do
 536 2013-02-13 13:45:35 <Jouke> buy/sell bitcoins and webshop integration.
 537 2013-02-13 13:45:57 <epscy> ah interesting
 538 2013-02-13 13:46:04 <epscy> well i wish you luck
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 540 2013-02-13 13:46:32 <Jouke> Well, we've been running for a year ;)
 541 2013-02-13 13:47:24 <epscy> is it profitable?
 542 2013-02-13 13:47:36 <Jouke> And we sent and received thousands of transactions and only experienced problems with accounts in 7.0 or 7.1
 543 2013-02-13 13:48:11 <epscy> Jouke: sure, i mean it probably works well in certain scenearios
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 545 2013-02-13 13:48:58 <epscy> but really the accounting layer is more suited to a traditional RDBMS in my opinion
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 554 2013-02-13 14:00:11 <epscy> i keep thinking i should write a generic accounting layer for bitcoin
 555 2013-02-13 14:00:33 <epscy> with a restful API and a simple admin interface
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 580 2013-02-13 15:05:09 <Luke-Jr> I might have found a bug in 0.8 block acceptance rules, if anyone wants to investigate it with me..
 581 2013-02-13 15:05:28 <Luke-Jr> probably not, but hmm
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 583 2013-02-13 15:07:17 <sipa> Luke-Jr: ping
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 591 2013-02-13 15:13:09 <Luke-Jr> sipa: pong
 592 2013-02-13 15:13:50 <sipa> Luke-Jr: what bug? (or potential bug)
 593 2013-02-13 15:14:09 <Luke-Jr> sipa: actually, it seems a block created by 0.8 is being rejected by 0.6
 594 2013-02-13 15:14:21 <Luke-Jr> FetchInputs failing to find another transaction in the same block
 595 2013-02-13 15:14:55 <sipa> stock 0.6, or a modified 0.6? :p
 596 2013-02-13 15:15:01 <Luke-Jr> modified of course
 597 2013-02-13 15:15:07 <Luke-Jr> stock * isn't very useful :p
 598 2013-02-13 15:15:31 <sipa> well sure, i don't expect it to be unmodified at all
 599 2013-02-13 15:15:39 <Luke-Jr> I keep missing the transaction in question in gdb
 600 2013-02-13 15:15:46 <sipa> but modified in a way that could cause such a bug to be added?
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 604 2013-02-13 15:17:20 <Luke-Jr> sipa: I don't think so
 605 2013-02-13 15:17:23 <Luke-Jr> caught it
 606 2013-02-13 15:17:27 <Luke-Jr> 89bd0a78f9 is the one failing
 607 2013-02-13 15:18:16 <Luke-Jr> $1842 = {<base_uint<256u>> = {pn = {766043750, 880548844, 2601451599, 860761792, 1122945906, 1829229063, 4187007381, 2310867576}}, <No data fields>}
 608 2013-02-13 15:19:03 * Luke-Jr kicks -O*
 609 2013-02-13 15:19:18 <sipa> you compiled with -fomit-broken-code?
 610 2013-02-13 15:19:22 <sipa> *emit
 611 2013-02-13 15:20:50 <Luke-Jr> no, it just does all sorts of insane reordering nonsense
 612 2013-02-13 15:20:59 <Luke-Jr> so 'next' goes over the same statements like 3 times
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 616 2013-02-13 15:22:10 <Luke-Jr> gah, .count doesn't work in gdb
 617 2013-02-13 15:24:33 <BlueMatt> sipa: where can one find this magical -fomit-broken-code?
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 620 2013-02-13 15:25:28 <sipa> BlueMatt: no idea, I heard many gentoo users use it, though :p
 621 2013-02-13 15:25:44 <sipa> emit, that is
 622 2013-02-13 15:25:56 <gavinandresen> first, you program your improbability drive, then compile gcc….
 623 2013-02-13 15:25:58 <BlueMatt> sipa: well emit is boring, I want gcc to omit by broken code...
 624 2013-02-13 15:26:14 * sipa gives gavinandresen a cup of really hot tea
 625 2013-02-13 15:26:15 <BlueMatt> s/by/my/
 626 2013-02-13 15:26:26 <sipa> BlueMatt: that's easy: -o /dev/null
 627 2013-02-13 15:26:27 <gavinandresen> ooh, yeah, forgot, you have to make tea first.
 628 2013-02-13 15:26:30 <SomeoneWeird> gavinandresen, lol
 629 2013-02-13 15:26:58 * Luke-Jr scratches his head
 630 2013-02-13 15:27:02 <BlueMatt> sipa: lol, my code isnt quite /that/ bad...
 631 2013-02-13 15:27:17 <denisx> I made a 64bit cli version of bitcoin running on osx
 632 2013-02-13 15:29:02 <Luke-Jr> I'm getting "FetchInputs() : %s mapTransactions prev not found %s" - but the code reads like that should be impossible in ConnectBlock :/
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 638 2013-02-13 15:30:41 <Luke-Jr> oh, I see how
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 640 2013-02-13 15:30:54 <Luke-Jr> eww
 641 2013-02-13 15:31:08 <Luke-Jr> this looks like a bug in 0.6 more than 0.8 :/
 642 2013-02-13 15:31:18 <sipa> Luke-Jr: explain
 643 2013-02-13 15:31:44 <Luke-Jr> sipa: it seems that ConnectBlock will fail if TransactionB depends on TransactionA in the same block, but TransactionA is missing from the local memory pool
 644 2013-02-13 15:33:14 <MobGod> Luke-Jr have a min
 645 2013-02-13 15:34:12 <MobGod> i'm getting back to the currency code you said not to use BTC but the problem i'm having is that they are asking for one before i can save the file
 646 2013-02-13 15:34:47 <Luke-Jr> MobGod: you might have to use BTC, just saying it's not allowed per the rules in your screenshot
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 648 2013-02-13 15:36:35 <MobGod> Luke-Jrok because it's asking me to put something in there so you would suggest to put BTC
 649 2013-02-13 15:37:05 <Luke-Jr> MobGod: as long as nobody's going to audit it and complain it isn't ISO
 650 2013-02-13 15:37:35 <MobGod> ok Luke-Jr what about the others having a problem with them also
 651 2013-02-13 15:37:37 <MobGod> http://awesomescreenshot.com/01cxai777
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 653 2013-02-13 15:37:59 <MobGod> or should i just leave it the way it is with the BTC in there and thats it
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 655 2013-02-13 15:38:32 <Luke-Jr> MobGod: you might be better off asking someone supporting the system
 656 2013-02-13 15:38:49 <MobGod> looking to see what i should put in for decimal places
 657 2013-02-13 15:39:34 <gavinandresen> MobGod: put BTC in there. If anybody complains, blame me.
 658 2013-02-13 15:39:45 <MobGod> haha np
 659 2013-02-13 15:40:01 <MobGod> what about for decimal places
 660 2013-02-13 15:40:08 <MobGod> is 8 good enough
 661 2013-02-13 15:40:34 <gavinandresen> 8 is the right answer
 662 2013-02-13 15:41:43 <MobGod> ok that works
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 665 2013-02-13 15:45:57 <Luke-Jr> sipa: can you confirm?
 666 2013-02-13 15:46:46 <sipa> Luke-Jr: not now
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 670 2013-02-13 15:56:14 <MC1984> does the bitcoin URI also pass a label too?
 671 2013-02-13 15:57:10 <MC1984> im starting to see bitcoin URIs on lots of random pages now which is cool, but no labels
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 673 2013-02-13 16:00:49 <gavinandresen> MC1984:  https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BIP_0021
 674 2013-02-13 16:02:49 <MC1984> so "yes"
 675 2013-02-13 16:03:12 <MC1984> i wonder why people arnt using the label then
 676 2013-02-13 16:03:14 <MC1984> oh well
 677 2013-02-13 16:04:16 <gavinandresen> Well, the spec could use improvement-- it doesn't say if or how the label is encoded, for example.  Although the payment protocol should replace bitcoin: URIs
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 679 2013-02-13 16:07:06 <MC1984> payment protocol?
 680 2013-02-13 16:07:47 <gavinandresen> payment protocol:  https://gist.github.com/gavinandresen/4120476    I'm starting work on implementing it now
 681 2013-02-13 16:08:53 <helo> are foundation membership fees going to be repegged every so often?
 682 2013-02-13 16:09:42 <gavinandresen> helo: yes, foundation re-pegs fees and salaries every three months
 683 2013-02-13 16:09:54 <jgarzik> helo: heh.  interesting question, isn't it?  other non-profits usually don't have to bother with questions like that ;p
 684 2013-02-13 16:09:58 <jgarzik> $26.03... this is nuts
 685 2013-02-13 16:10:51 * gavinandresen is happy his salary was re-pegged January 1....
 686 2013-02-13 16:10:52 <MC1984> i think the foundation tried to ignore USD for most of last year and it didnt work out so well
 687 2013-02-13 16:11:37 <gavinandresen> it worked ok until we had to start paying for lots of conference expenses in dollars, and the lack of a bank account became a real problem
 688 2013-02-13 16:11:39 <Scrat> gavinandresen: how do you transfer a SignedPaymentRequest from a website to a user's bitcoin client?
 689 2013-02-13 16:12:16 <gavinandresen> Scrat: that's what I'll be working on first. The web server will serve up an application/x-bitcoin-paymentrequest  file, which will be handled by the client
 690 2013-02-13 16:12:59 <gavinandresen> (just like web servers produce application/pdf documents that your web browser or pdf viewer handles)
 691 2013-02-13 16:13:31 <Scrat> since browsers can handle rediculously large URIs it could be done in bitcoin: too
 692 2013-02-13 16:13:44 <gavinandresen> yuck
 693 2013-02-13 16:13:49 <MC1984> is this an elaborate scheme to hide those ugly addresses
 694 2013-02-13 16:14:11 * jgarzik isn't usually a trader: I buy bitcoin as needed, and try to use bitcoin-denominated services.  Happened to buy some recently @ ~$21.27
 695 2013-02-13 16:14:21 <jgarzik> and then the rocket ship continued
 696 2013-02-13 16:14:35 <gavinandresen> how do I figure out what version of debian/ubuntu this package first shipped in:  http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/protobuf.html
 697 2013-02-13 16:15:31 <Scrat> gavinandresen: ubuntu here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/protobuf
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 699 2013-02-13 16:15:52 <Scrat> 10.04+
 700 2013-02-13 16:16:15 <gavinandresen> spiffy, thanks
 701 2013-02-13 16:16:31 <Luke-Jr> gavinandresen: 2.3.0 is in Debian stable, at least
 702 2013-02-13 16:16:38 <MC1984> ahh you are addressing the delivery of bitcoin addresss over insecure links
 703 2013-02-13 16:16:41 <MC1984> nice nice
 704 2013-02-13 16:16:58 <Luke-Jr> gavinandresen: in my experience, the pain with protobufs is that they break generated-source compatibility a bit
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 706 2013-02-13 16:17:30 <sipa> MC1984: and actually negotiating a payment with the receiver, instead of just shooting a transaction to a static address into the void
 707 2013-02-13 16:17:51 <MC1984> yes good stuff
 708 2013-02-13 16:17:54 <Scrat> it's in the universe repo in 9.10 so I guess that works too
 709 2013-02-13 16:18:01 <gmaxwell> and lets you specify things like refund addresses.
 710 2013-02-13 16:18:01 <gavinandresen> Luke-Jr: You mean if we put generated protobuf source files into the git tree, instead of running the protobuf compiler to generate them in the Makefile ?
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 712 2013-02-13 16:18:14 <gmaxwell> (even unique ones— so that if they do refund you have some clue _who_ refunded you)
 713 2013-02-13 16:18:45 <Luke-Jr> gavinandresen: correct
 714 2013-02-13 16:18:49 <sipa> and letting a receiver track his own transactions, instead of needing to scan the blockchain for stuff that may be a fullfillment for a requested payment
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 716 2013-02-13 16:20:06 <MC1984> "1 bitcoin" doesnt really exist in the network does it, its all satoshis right? so the current decimal place 8 places to the left of a satishis is a UI thing
 717 2013-02-13 16:20:25 <sipa> correct
 718 2013-02-13 16:20:27 <MC1984> any thought of what happens when a bitcoin becomes really unweildy
 719 2013-02-13 16:20:41 <MC1984> just move the decimal in 4 places in the UI?
 720 2013-02-13 16:20:41 <sipa> yes, set your client unit to mBTC
 721 2013-02-13 16:20:47 <sipa> which is already possible
 722 2013-02-13 16:20:50 <gmaxwell> MC1984: you start trading in mBTC.
 723 2013-02-13 16:21:07 <MC1984> yes you can do that, but its a recipie for huge confusions unless everyone else is on th same page too
 724 2013-02-13 16:21:26 <Luke-Jr> not really
 725 2013-02-13 16:21:33 <sipa> do you have a problem with dealing with dollars and dollarcents simultaneously?
 726 2013-02-13 16:21:34 <MC1984> right now the page everyone is on is 8 places from the left IE 1 bitcoin
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 728 2013-02-13 16:21:58 <Luke-Jr> MC1984: well, the problem there is you're writing "1 bitcoin" when you mean "1 BTC"
 729 2013-02-13 16:22:00 <MC1984> thats only 2 decimal places, most people can just about handle that
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 731 2013-02-13 16:22:16 <Luke-Jr> if you write "1 BTC" and "1 mBTC", you don't have that problme
 732 2013-02-13 16:22:18 <sipa> there are countries which have 1/1000 subdivisions
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 734 2013-02-13 16:23:17 <MC1984> also most people probably dont know what SI prefix correlats to which decimal place
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 736 2013-02-13 16:23:40 <Luke-Jr> MC1984: then push for tonal adoption
 737 2013-02-13 16:23:50 <sipa> i don't see the problem
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 739 2013-02-13 16:24:15 <MC1984> just seems awkward
 740 2013-02-13 16:24:23 <sipa> even if you're completely oblivious to what the prefix 'm' or 'milli' means, you'll learn to understand that mBTC is a different and smaller unit than BYC
 741 2013-02-13 16:24:25 <MC1984> and being of by 1 place is a big deal
 742 2013-02-13 16:24:35 <sipa> it's in no way different then using cents and dollars or whatever
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 744 2013-02-13 16:25:04 <gavinandresen> it is a really good problem to have.  And my advice is not to worry too much about problems that are good to have
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 746 2013-02-13 16:25:31 <MC1984> i just said there are only 100 subunits of a dollar in use, and theres talk of phasing out pennies in a lot of countries, theres a reason for that
 747 2013-02-13 16:26:03 <gavinandresen> that is the opposite problem:  pennies have been inflated away to where they aren't worth enough to keep around
 748 2013-02-13 16:26:36 <MC1984> i agree its a good problem
 749 2013-02-13 16:26:39 <gavinandresen> transaction costs of handling a penny are a significant fraction of a penny…..
 750 2013-02-13 16:26:47 <MC1984> not worrying about it really
 751 2013-02-13 16:27:19 <MC1984> i think it gets to a point where the metal in a penny is worth more than a penny....
 752 2013-02-13 16:27:32 <MC1984> then the mint finds the pennies take themselves out of circulation lol
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 754 2013-02-13 16:29:14 <MC1984> anyway yes i can set it to mBTC or whatever today, but it seems like people can only really handle multiple decimal places in their currency as long as everyone is on the same scheme
 755 2013-02-13 16:29:37 <helo> thus canada recalling pennies
 756 2013-02-13 16:29:56 <MC1984> and seeing as id already have to type in 0.15 to pay for a cup of coffe or something
 757 2013-02-13 16:30:16 <MC1984> whats that in satoshis?
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 759 2013-02-13 16:30:25 <helo> hopefully bitcoin can be the thing that gets everyone on the whole 'basic metric prefix' scheme :)
 760 2013-02-13 16:30:28 <MC1984> 15000000?
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 764 2013-02-13 16:30:35 * gavinandresen wonders if we need RPC calls for payment requests
 765 2013-02-13 16:31:03 <gmaxwell> gavinandresen: US pennys currently cost about 2 cents to make
 766 2013-02-13 16:31:09 <kinlo> I believe we need a high-level layer on top to process payment requests imho
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 768 2013-02-13 16:31:23 <gavinandresen> gmaxwell: I know. And it is against the law to melt them and sell the metals....
 769 2013-02-13 16:31:33 <MC1984> these blocks after 216116 are painful....
 770 2013-02-13 16:31:42 <sipa> kinlo: for _receiving_ payments, certainly
 771 2013-02-13 16:31:50 <sipa> kinlo: for making them, i'm not sure
 772 2013-02-13 16:32:09 <sipa> the only way to get adoption is if they're easy to use
 773 2013-02-13 16:32:14 <kinlo> sipa: one tool to handle them all, from creating the request to receiving them
 774 2013-02-13 16:32:41 <gavinandresen> Creating the request is a web-side process, and that code is already written
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 776 2013-02-13 16:33:14 <kinlo> basicly, I'd like something where I can say "get me payment for X BTC", I receive a transactionnumber, something to send to the enduser, and a way to query the status of the request by transactionnumber
 777 2013-02-13 16:33:35 <gavinandresen> I suppose payment request creation could migrate into bitcoind, but I think I'd rather keep it a separate tool
 778 2013-02-13 16:33:39 <helo> what will -otc users use to make their payment requests?
 779 2013-02-13 16:34:12 <kinlo> helo: they can just give out btc addresses like they do now...  you are already talking to a human
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 781 2013-02-13 16:35:00 <kinlo> the requests gavin is talking about is to prove that the automated system has given me a request to pay, and that I fullfilled that request, something you must proove to the human running the websiteshop
 782 2013-02-13 16:35:02 <gavinandresen> helo: -otc users I'm not terribly concerned about, because there aren't very many of them.
 783 2013-02-13 16:35:06 <kinlo> in case something goes wrong
 784 2013-02-13 16:35:36 <gavinandresen> helo: … but I imagine otc users will come up with their own gpg-based tools and payment requests
 785 2013-02-13 16:35:41 <kinlo> besides, oftc people can simply send gpg signed mails
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 787 2013-02-13 16:37:26 <helo> yeah, gpg signed emails are good enough
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 789 2013-02-13 16:37:56 <SomeoneWeird> a lot of irc clients have options for url link thingys too :P
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 791 2013-02-13 16:40:05 <denisx> the latest checkpoint in 0.8 is 210000?
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 793 2013-02-13 16:42:00 <gavinandresen> so…  creating a payment request will stay a separate tool, for now. I'm not sure I see a use case for receiving/processing a payment request via a RPC method, so I'm inclined to make all of the payment-request-handling code part of Bitcoin-Qt but not bitcoind for now.
 794 2013-02-13 16:43:15 <kinlo> I'm in any case pro seperating the 2, I would still like to see bitcoin more as a backend withouth too many wallet features, ideally none
 795 2013-02-13 16:43:34 <kinlo> so handling a payment can be a seperated process
 796 2013-02-13 16:46:14 <gmaxwell> gavinandresen: if cli users can't make payments somehow, then we exclude a chunk of the highly technical early adopter userbase. ... but that would just be satisfied by some tool that knows how to make the rpc call.
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 798 2013-02-13 16:47:20 <jgarzik> (mildly related) /me wants a tool for creating "oddball" transactions:  multi-sig, atomic swap, and other fun things we can think about.  Possibly PyQt or somesuch, interfacing with bitcoind raw tx api.
 799 2013-02-13 16:47:42 <jgarzik> a la spendfrom
 800 2013-02-13 16:48:05 <gavinandresen> good idea
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 802 2013-02-13 16:48:53 <kinlo> well, I want that in a seperated tool with it's own rpc so it is easy to use
 803 2013-02-13 16:49:35 <jgarzik> yeah, the user interface part is an open question.  each "oddball" transaction tends to have its own I/O needs
 804 2013-02-13 16:50:14 <gavinandresen> re: early technical users:  lemme think on that.  https://github.com/gavinandresen/paymentrequest   can already create and validate payment requests…  teaching it to call the RPC sendmany should be easy
 805 2013-02-13 16:50:15 <jgarzik> a tool that assists in building group transactions
 806 2013-02-13 16:50:20 <jgarzik> like gmaxwell's mixing
 807 2013-02-13 16:50:28 <jgarzik> or an anyonecanpay group tx
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 810 2013-02-13 16:51:48 <kinlo> gavinandresen: for the payment request protocol, does the request sent to the enduser contain the return bitcoin address, and will the payment program (bitcoin-qt) verify that this is indeed an address from the end-user's own wallet? :)
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 812 2013-02-13 16:52:43 <gavinandresen> kinlo: no, the request doesn't include a return bitcoin address (how would the merchant know?).  But the Payment message from the user back to the merchant can include a return address.
 813 2013-02-13 16:53:21 <kinlo> mmz, the merchant could ask, but that does indeed make stuff more complex
 814 2013-02-13 16:53:36 <kinlo> the payment message from the user back to the merchant, is it signed?
 815 2013-02-13 16:53:44 <SomeoneWeird> i agree it's better without one
 816 2013-02-13 16:54:05 <gmaxwell> The default should be to always provide one in the response. (in fact, it should probably be made mandatory)
 817 2013-02-13 16:54:18 <kinlo> imagine I intercept the message, and change the return address..
 818 2013-02-13 16:54:36 <gmaxwell> kinlo: then you would have replaced the whole payment request too, most likely.
 819 2013-02-13 16:54:53 <SomeoneWeird> GPG SIGN THE REQUEST!!!!11!1!
 820 2013-02-13 16:54:54 <SomeoneWeird> lol
 821 2013-02-13 16:54:56 <kinlo> gmaxwell: I can't, the payment request is signed
 822 2013-02-13 16:55:05 <SomeoneWeird> hows it signed?
 823 2013-02-13 16:55:14 <gmaxwell> kinlo: you can replace a signed message with another signed message.
 824 2013-02-13 16:55:27 <kinlo> SomeoneWeird: x509, read https://github.com/gavinandresen/paymentrequest
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 826 2013-02-13 16:55:43 <SomeoneWeird> i am
 827 2013-02-13 16:55:45 <kinlo> gmaxwell: that requires the key
 828 2013-02-13 16:56:01 <gmaxwell> kinlo: It requires _a_ key. :P
 829 2013-02-13 16:56:16 <gavinandresen> the Payment message is delivered to the merchant over a https: connection, so MITM is impossible
 830 2013-02-13 16:56:21 <kinlo> gmaxwell: the key from teh certificate
 831 2013-02-13 16:56:53 <gavinandresen> … and the original payment request is signed by the merchant, so you can be sure you've got the right URL for submitting the payment...
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 835 2013-02-13 16:57:27 <gavinandresen> … and yes, all of this relies on the horrible, terrible, no-good SSL certificate infrastructure that is the worst system there is, except for all the others
 836 2013-02-13 16:57:40 <gmaxwell> We could make it stronger by signing the response with all the paying transaction's bitcoin keys, but this gets a little ugly to implement.
 837 2013-02-13 16:58:07 <gmaxwell> gavinandresen: the bummer with the SSL submit secures it is that its reputable.
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 839 2013-02-13 16:58:26 <gavinandresen> gmaxwell: I couldn't parse that
 840 2013-02-13 16:58:30 <gmaxwell> "I told you to refund to AAAPPLE" "No, here is your message, it says refunds go to DDOOOGGFOOD"
 841 2013-02-13 16:58:36 <SomeoneWeird> that would mean the link would be quit long
 842 2013-02-13 16:58:51 <gmaxwell> SomeoneWeird: huh?
 843 2013-02-13 16:59:00 <SomeoneWeird> dw
 844 2013-02-13 16:59:03 * SomeoneWeird tired and confusing self
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 846 2013-02-13 16:59:46 <MC1984> what about using the trust web in OTC to bootstrap a new x509 system
 847 2013-02-13 16:59:52 <helo> repudiable?
 848 2013-02-13 16:59:53 <MC1984> a distributed one
 849 2013-02-13 17:00:02 <MC1984> do somthing radical instead
 850 2013-02-13 17:00:10 <MC1984> or am i talking bollocks again
 851 2013-02-13 17:00:19 <gavinandresen> MC1984: go for it, knock yourself out….
 852 2013-02-13 17:00:21 <gmaxwell> gavinandresen: so even if only the sender and the reciever can dork with it, we still can't tell which is lying. Major bummer. ... and fixing it is possible. (sign with the transaction keys) The the reponse becomes basically an "extended" transaction.
 853 2013-02-13 17:00:48 <gavinandresen> MC1984: but if you want to do something really radical, you should implement http://arxiv.org/abs/1212.3257
 854 2013-02-13 17:01:04 <helo> signing with bitcoin private keys <3
 855 2013-02-13 17:01:18 <gmaxwell> helo: uh. that is not a pki.
 856 2013-02-13 17:01:53 <helo> is that not what you meant by "sign with the transaction keys"?
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 858 2013-02-13 17:02:07 <gavinandresen> gmaxwell: ah, I see.  Right, unless the customer has a reputable identity I don't see how that can be solved.
 859 2013-02-13 17:02:15 <gmaxwell> helo: ah, I thought you were continuing mc1984's thread.
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 863 2013-02-13 17:03:29 <MC1984> doing my best to understand that paper
 864 2013-02-13 17:03:34 <gmaxwell> gavinandresen: no no, well it's fine — the payment has signtures, you just use the same keys on the transaction to show that the payment is properly bound to the invoice. The payer could double spend his payment to create multiple bindings but the merchant could always show the one he acted on to prove he acted in good faith.
 865 2013-02-13 17:04:10 <MC1984> just kind of meh about doing something to futher cement the PKI weve got now
 866 2013-02-13 17:04:16 <MC1984> the one that is trivially coercible
 867 2013-02-13 17:04:21 <gmaxwell> MC1984: the address that gets paid is derrived from the contracts and a secret known to the recipent.  So there is no ambiguity in what the payment was for or what the terms were.
 868 2013-02-13 17:04:47 <gmaxwell> MC1984: we don't have an alternative.
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 870 2013-02-13 17:05:16 <MC1984> like i said, there is a nascent WOT in -otc
 871 2013-02-13 17:05:28 <MC1984> its gotta stat somewhere
 872 2013-02-13 17:05:31 <helo> gotta use what is in use by a larger population than that
 873 2013-02-13 17:06:06 <gmaxwell> MC1984: hah the WOT in otc is pretty much a joke. sadly.
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 877 2013-02-13 17:06:32 <gmaxwell> and it's also a centeralized system (around nanotube's bot)
 878 2013-02-13 17:06:43 <MC1984> works well enough to garner you atlast one stalker though.....
 879 2013-02-13 17:06:58 <gavinandresen> maybe, just maybe, petertodd's work on fidelity bonds could make a wot-like system work… but that's a long ways off
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 881 2013-02-13 17:07:22 <MC1984> and yes im aware its reliant on nanotube being a good guy
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 883 2013-02-13 17:07:41 <MC1984> maybe you could take that WOT and put it...
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 885 2013-02-13 17:07:49 <MC1984> i dunno, in a DHT.....
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 887 2013-02-13 17:08:21 <helo> there are some people who have been talking about distributing the wot
 888 2013-02-13 17:08:31 <helo> *decentralizing
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 890 2013-02-13 17:09:01 <MC1984> dont know if thats even possible
 891 2013-02-13 17:09:04 <gavinandresen> gmaxwell: it feels to me like return addresses aren't quite right.  Perhaps they should be signed…  that ties into some larger thoughts I had about securely associating metadata with transactions.
 892 2013-02-13 17:09:05 <helo> i don't think it's going to get off the ground though... progress has been nonexistant
 893 2013-02-13 17:09:17 <MC1984> maybe as a sidchain of bitcoin
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 895 2013-02-13 17:09:23 <MC1984> mite b cool
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 897 2013-02-13 17:09:52 <gmaxwell> gavinandresen: yep. well the entire reply should be asscoiated, but it doesn't have to be double spend proof.
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 899 2013-02-13 17:10:03 <gmaxwell> (including the identity of the contract being paid to)
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 904 2013-02-13 17:12:25 <helo> MC1984: no chain is necessary, as the currency (rating units) in a distributed WoT can be (and always is) created out of nothing
 905 2013-02-13 17:13:00 <gavinandresen> well, I'm not going to let the perfect be the enemy of the good, and actually implementing something always helps firm up a spec, so I'm going to start writing code after lunch
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 922 2013-02-13 17:26:49 <Luke-Jr> sipa: found the problem, I think it's only affecting 0.6-based Proposals because they're not on-disk
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 931 2013-02-13 17:37:29 <Happzz> how long will it take bruteforce the privatekey of address X, given 60GH/s
 932 2013-02-13 17:37:59 <Happzz> or, how many unique addresses are there?
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 934 2013-02-13 17:38:19 <gmaxwell> more than forever. "60GH/s" mining devices don't do the right kind of computation.
 935 2013-02-13 17:38:41 <gmaxwell> (all the POW hashing in the world won't generate a single address for you)
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 937 2013-02-13 17:39:04 <Happzz> okay. i had another theory. tell me what's your opinion on it
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 939 2013-02-13 17:39:13 <Happzz> start generating private keys for different addresses, like randomaly
 940 2013-02-13 17:39:18 <Happzz> save them. kind of a rainbow table
 941 2013-02-13 17:39:33 <Happzz> you'll eventually hit an address that's in the blockchain, right?
 942 2013-02-13 17:39:36 <sipa> a rainbow table means you pregenerate all keys
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 944 2013-02-13 17:39:46 <sipa> it's just a convenient way for storing the result
 945 2013-02-13 17:39:51 <gmaxwell> v=1 addresses are 160 bits long.
 946 2013-02-13 17:40:03 <sipa> and there's no way you'll ever go through O(2^160) keys
 947 2013-02-13 17:40:30 <Happzz> sipa if you got through 1/10 of that, it's still 10% chance of hitting addresses that have coins on
 948 2013-02-13 17:40:43 <Happzz> if you save the keys, you're basically going to hit some in the future, too
 949 2013-02-13 17:40:48 <kjj> you don't understand how big 2^160 is
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 951 2013-02-13 17:41:15 <kjj> taking your 60 GHash/sec example as 60 billion addresses per second, it will take you 24358360622181715303394747211938050327 seconds
 952 2013-02-13 17:41:56 <kjj> obviously, 10% of that is still kinda large
 953 2013-02-13 17:42:40 <ProfMac> 2^160 is so big, it is difficult to find anything physical to express it.
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 955 2013-02-13 17:43:03 <Happzz> okay so take 1/1000 of it
 956 2013-02-13 17:43:14 <Happzz> idk.. you keep generating, you're going to hit something eventually, won't you?
 957 2013-02-13 17:43:21 <ProfMac> e.g., how many multiples of "age of the universe" is that many nano-seconds.
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 959 2013-02-13 17:43:58 <ProfMac> 'eventually' is from the French phrase, "not in your lifetime."
 960 2013-02-13 17:44:46 <ProfMac> What is the difference between "them" and "peer" in debug.log?
 961 2013-02-13 17:45:18 <sipa> ProfMac: peer is the IP you're connected to; them is where they're claiming they're at
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 964 2013-02-13 17:48:51 <kjj> Happzz:  772398548394904721695673110 years for 0.1% of the address space at 6E10 addresses per second
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 966 2013-02-13 17:49:07 <ProfMac> So, in an IPv6 environment, is "them" likely to be the public address, and "peer" likely to be the throwaway limited time address?  I'm trying to build an IPv6 "addr.txt" file.
 967 2013-02-13 17:51:37 <Happzz> :o
 968 2013-02-13 17:51:38 <Happzz> ok
 969 2013-02-13 17:51:50 <Luke-Jr> ProfMac: they're likely to be identical
 970 2013-02-13 17:52:55 <ProfMac> They are not.  I can post a mySQL input file on pastebin...
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 972 2013-02-13 17:54:03 <sipa> ProfMac: are they both ipv6 addresses?
 973 2013-02-13 17:55:38 <ProfMac> in about 2 cases I have mixed IPv4 & IPv6 addresses.  Dozens of cases I seem to have a MAC based and a non MAC based address.  I am assuming the non MAC based is the temporary use IP address that IPv6 often generates.  I am at a loss why I have any IPv4 addresses when I specify IPv6 in the bitcoin.conf file.
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 977 2013-02-13 17:58:45 <sipa> ProfMac: the address announced to other nodes is set through the externalip setting
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 981 2013-02-13 18:01:12 <ProfMac> mySQL import file located at http://pastebin.com/6jKkBbc3
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1003 2013-02-13 18:26:19 <PhantomSpark> probably the wrong channel for this but has anybody run into this problem with the bitpay plugin for woocommerce? http://wordpress.org/support/topic/an-error-has-occurred-while-processing-your-payment-please-try-again-or-contac?replies=1
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1006 2013-02-13 18:29:00 <MCM-Mike> how much bandwidth does an bitcoin node use per month (aprox.)
1007 2013-02-13 18:30:07 <gmaxwell> MCM-Mike: that can varry a lot— depends on how many peers pull the chain from it. If it's not listening to incoming connections that number will be little.
1008 2013-02-13 18:30:50 <MCM-Mike> ok, in order to run a fully functional node I need to enable the incoming connections
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1010 2013-02-13 18:31:48 <MC1984> no you dont
1011 2013-02-13 18:32:57 <MCM-Mike> ok
1012 2013-02-13 18:33:15 <gmaxwell> MCM-Mike: what do you mean by fully functional?
1013 2013-02-13 18:33:17 <MCM-Mike> I need to read a bit more and than get back to you guys if I have further question
1014 2013-02-13 18:34:14 <MC1984> will non-connectable nodes ever serve the chain?
1015 2013-02-13 18:35:36 <MCM-Mike> I would like to share some resources in order to help the bitcoin community, any "good how to" on how to set up a node
1016 2013-02-13 18:38:37 <sipa> MC1984: in theory, yes
1017 2013-02-13 18:38:43 <sipa> MC1984: in practice, rarely
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1019 2013-02-13 18:42:00 <MCM-Mike> than I should accept incomming connections
1020 2013-02-13 18:42:52 <gmaxwell> MC1984: its really unlikely that it would— you'd have to connect out to an old node that got wiped, before it refilled itself... and somehow beat out the other connections for being the one it pulled from.
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1024 2013-02-13 18:44:56 <MCM-Mike> what would be an appropriate value for  "maxconnections=?"  (dedicated server)
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1026 2013-02-13 18:45:20 <gmaxwell> The default is approiate. What made you think you needed to set it?
1027 2013-02-13 18:46:48 <MCM-Mike> based on the man pages there wasn't any value set
1028 2013-02-13 18:47:38 <MCM-Mike> but it was my mistake I looked at http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/man5/bitcoin.conf.5.html  not at the actual "bitcoind --help"
1029 2013-02-13 18:47:54 <gmaxwell> oh dear, you should _not_ be running a bitcoin package from ubuntu.
1030 2013-02-13 18:48:02 <MCM-Mike> I am not
1031 2013-02-13 18:48:18 <MCM-Mike> just looked at it for configuration reference
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1033 2013-02-13 18:48:42 <gmaxwell> K.
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1036 2013-02-13 18:49:42 <MCM-Mike> this is why I got confused with the maxconnections value
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1039 2013-02-13 18:54:52 <MC1984> if you want to be altruistic then yes open ports
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1041 2013-02-13 18:55:46 <MC1984> i dont know if that decision affects whether you should have a non trivial amount of coins in the wallet though
1042 2013-02-13 18:56:49 <MC1984> i think the ntwor
1043 2013-02-13 18:57:16 <MC1984> netowrk facing code in bitcoin is pretty hardened against shenanigans i think
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1062 2013-02-13 19:47:18 <ProfMac> gmaxwell, why not run a bitcoin package from Ubuntu?
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1065 2013-02-13 19:49:41 <gmaxwell> ProfMac: because afaik any version they've shipped has been horribly outdated with known security issues.
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1091 2013-02-13 20:21:48 <jgarzik> <jgarzik> Eleuthria: is this stock getwork/getblocktemplate from bitcoin/bitcoin.git?
1092 2013-02-13 20:21:49 <jgarzik> <Eleuthria> It's stock GBT, with two modifications
1093 2013-02-13 20:21:49 <jgarzik> <Eleuthria> It adds the decimal version of difficulty
1094 2013-02-13 20:21:55 <jgarzik> <Eleuthria> and the transactions JSON object is -just- the raw transactions in hex format
1095 2013-02-13 20:21:55 <jgarzik> <Eleuthria> [no fee/sigops/depends]
1096 2013-02-13 20:22:03 <midnightmagic> does luke still maintain a ppa?
1097 2013-02-13 20:22:17 <midnightmagic> or rather..   does anyone still maintain a ppa?
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1099 2013-02-13 20:23:58 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: uuhhh if you don't have fee/sigops/depends and you make your own coinbase you'll potentially produce invalid blocks
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1101 2013-02-13 20:24:58 <jgarzik> <Eleuthria> When bitcoind has a fresh start, I get responses from GBT in very short time, even when the memorypool gets a bit large
1102 2013-02-13 20:24:58 <jgarzik> <Eleuthria> But after a while it starts taking ~100ms, even with only 40-50 transactions in the memorypool
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1110 2013-02-13 20:31:46 <Luke-Jr> midnightmagic: AFAIK BlueMatt still maintains the PPA (I never have)
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1125 2013-02-13 20:45:41 <ProfMac> gmaxwell, I have v0.7.2.0-g32a928e-beta, which is from Ubuntu.  Where would I get a recommended reference client?
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1128 2013-02-13 20:46:28 <midnightmagic> ok thanks Luke-Jr
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1130 2013-02-13 20:49:14 <helo> ProfMac: that version looks like it's the one from the ppa
1131 2013-02-13 20:49:37 <helo> i'm pretty sure the normal ubuntu repos aren't up to date, but that version is
1132 2013-02-13 20:51:52 <ProfMac> Yes, it is from the ppa.  Though I don't know what ppa itself is.
1133 2013-02-13 20:54:04 <helo> a ppa is just an unofficial package repository for ubuntu
1134 2013-02-13 20:54:38 <helo> if you have that, you should be set up using the PPA already. so when 0.8 is released, presumably a normal update will pull it in
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1136 2013-02-13 20:58:08 <gmaxwell> helo: uhh.. people getting updated to 0.8 via regular OS updates will not be happy.
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1138 2013-02-13 21:00:16 <helo> because of the re-validation?
1139 2013-02-13 21:00:44 <gmaxwell> Reindexing to be more accurate.
1140 2013-02-13 21:00:47 <helo> seems that either the ppa gets abandoned, or a majority of ubuntu users will get updated to 0.8 via regular OS updates
1141 2013-02-13 21:01:39 <ProfMac> it took me a week to build the block*.dat files.  Reindexing seems interesting.
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1144 2013-02-13 21:05:47 <helo> it will be much faster than that, at least
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1158 2013-02-13 21:28:57 <Happzz> what's the difference between address v1 or v3
1159 2013-02-13 21:30:07 <Eliel_> Happzz: if you want a multisig address, it has to be v3
1160 2013-02-13 21:30:36 <Happzz> does any of the popular clients support v3?
1161 2013-02-13 21:31:17 <Eliel_> As far as I know, no GUI wallets will generate one.
1162 2013-02-13 21:31:41 <Happzz> can it be imported to one?
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1164 2013-02-13 21:32:04 <Happzz> any other relevant differences?
1165 2013-02-13 21:33:38 <Eliel_> I expect many sites won't accept a v3 address at the moment.
1166 2013-02-13 21:34:07 <gmaxwell> Eliel_: I'd be somewhat surprised.
1167 2013-02-13 21:34:24 <gmaxwell> They aren't new, the code to validate them is the same.
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1170 2013-02-13 21:41:55 <dhill> test/wallet_tests.cpp(107): error in "coin_selection_tests": check setCoinsRet.size() == 3 failed [4 != 3]
1171 2013-02-13 21:41:58 <dhill> any ideas why that test would fail?
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1174 2013-02-13 21:45:41 <gmaxwell> dhill: more info about how you're building and what version you're running?
1175 2013-02-13 21:45:53 <dhill> 0.7.2, openbsd-current on i386
1176 2013-02-13 21:46:08 <dhill> boost 1.42.0
1177 2013-02-13 21:47:15 <gmaxwell> The test seems a little dumb, otoh, its surprising that it would fail.
1178 2013-02-13 21:47:51 <dhill> just about every test in wallet_tests.cpp fails
1179 2013-02-13 21:47:58 <dhill> test/wallet_tests.cpp(107): error in "coin_selection_tests": check setCoinsRet.size() == 3 failed [4 != 3]
1180 2013-02-13 21:47:59 <gmaxwell> then something is broken.
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1182 2013-02-13 21:48:01 <dhill> test/wallet_tests.cpp(146): error in "coin_selection_tests": check nValueRet == 18 * CENT failed [19000000 != 18000000]
1183 2013-02-13 21:48:04 <dhill> test/wallet_tests.cpp(158): error in "coin_selection_tests": check nValueRet == 11 * CENT failed [14000000 != 11000000]
1184 2013-02-13 21:49:03 <gmaxwell> what compiler?
1185 2013-02-13 21:49:13 <dhill> gcc 4.2.1
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1188 2013-02-13 21:53:58 <andytoshi> i'll try it on llvm..
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1190 2013-02-13 21:55:35 <andytoshi> okay over here
1191 2013-02-13 21:56:41 <dhill> what compiler?
1192 2013-02-13 21:56:51 <dhill> going to try with clang++
1193 2013-02-13 21:57:04 <andytoshi> clang version 3.2 (tags/RELEASE_32/final)
1194 2013-02-13 21:57:13 <andytoshi> ok, i'll try it with gcc
1195 2013-02-13 21:58:31 <andytoshi> still OK with gcc version 4.7.2 20120921 (Red Hat 4.7.2-2) (GCC)
1196 2013-02-13 21:59:05 <andytoshi> i'm on a fully 64-bit OS
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1198 2013-02-13 22:01:59 <dhill> 32-bit here
1199 2013-02-13 22:03:42 <andytoshi> hmm, this doesn't seem like it should be a system-dependent bug
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1204 2013-02-13 22:10:27 <dhill> std namespace doesn't have set
1205 2013-02-13 22:10:32 <dhill> so where is it getting it from
1206 2013-02-13 22:10:54 <dhill> typedef std::pair<long long, unsigned int> blah;
1207 2013-02-13 22:10:55 <dhill> that works
1208 2013-02-13 22:11:04 <dhill> typedef std::set<std::pair<long long, unsigned int>> blah;
1209 2013-02-13 22:11:24 <dhill> hi.cpp:5:14: error: no type named 'set' in namespace 'std'
1210 2013-02-13 22:11:24 <dhill> typedef std::set<std::pair<long long, unsigned int>> blah;
1211 2013-02-13 22:11:33 <dhill> hmm
1212 2013-02-13 22:12:12 <pjorrit_> that sounds weird
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1214 2013-02-13 22:14:52 <andytoshi> dhill: can you build bitcoin normally? does it seem to work?
1215 2013-02-13 22:15:56 <dhill> it works for a while
1216 2013-02-13 22:15:58 <dhill> then blows up
1217 2013-02-13 22:16:38 <andytoshi> weird
1218 2013-02-13 22:16:48 <dhill> sec
1219 2013-02-13 22:16:52 <andytoshi> like, segfault? can you post a backtrace on gdb?
1220 2013-02-13 22:16:57 <andytoshi> pastebin*
1221 2013-02-13 22:17:17 <dhill> http://gbpaste.org/P5IQ1
1222 2013-02-13 22:17:21 <dhill> yea, seg fault
1223 2013-02-13 22:18:59 <andytoshi> thx, can you also do it in valgrind? also, what git commit are you at?
1224 2013-02-13 22:19:22 <dhill> not sure what version
1225 2013-02-13 22:19:24 <dhill> bitcoin-0.7.2/bitcoin-bitcoin-f2c8ffc
1226 2013-02-13 22:19:26 <dhill> if that helps?
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1228 2013-02-13 22:20:23 <andytoshi> you downloaded the 0.7.2 tarball?
1229 2013-02-13 22:21:14 <andytoshi> one sec, i'll grab that..
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1231 2013-02-13 22:23:30 <dhill> yea
1232 2013-02-13 22:25:21 <dhill> oh, for set, i need #include <set>
1233 2013-02-13 22:25:54 <pjorrit_> oh this is your own code? i was assuming that was in :)
1234 2013-02-13 22:26:40 <andytoshi> got it, building now..
1235 2013-02-13 22:27:18 <dhill> i am trying to narrow it down, that's all :)
1236 2013-02-13 22:27:27 <dhill> seeing if there is math or type issue
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1239 2013-02-13 22:31:40 <bitmarco> hmmm
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1246 2013-02-13 22:44:20 <andytoshi> dhill: got the tarball, tests still pass
1247 2013-02-13 22:44:46 <andytoshi> there is nothing remarkable in your backtrace
1248 2013-02-13 22:45:02 <andytoshi> can you make it crash in valgrind? maybe that will tell us where the memory access is
1249 2013-02-13 22:52:09 <dhill> got a better gdb
1250 2013-02-13 22:53:03 <dhill> http://gbpaste.org/rdt0f
1251 2013-02-13 22:53:06 <dhill> not sure if that helps
1252 2013-02-13 22:53:37 <sipa> that's a bug inside bdb
1253 2013-02-13 22:53:40 <dhill> still in gdb if you any commands would help
1254 2013-02-13 22:53:50 <dhill> wonder if db4 needs an upgrading
1255 2013-02-13 22:54:09 <dhill> 4.6.21
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1258 2013-02-13 22:55:57 <andytoshi> i'm at 4.8.30
1259 2013-02-13 22:59:49 <dhill> hmm
1260 2013-02-13 23:00:33 <BlueMatt> midnightmagic: yes, I maintain the ppa
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1281 2013-02-13 23:36:59 <ProfMac> ;;market buy --usd 1000
1282 2013-02-13 23:37:00 <gribble> A market order to buy 1000.0000 USD worth of bitcoins right now would buy 39.695531 bitcoins and would take the last price up to 25.2000 USD, resulting in an average price of 25.1918 USD/BTC.
1283 2013-02-13 23:37:32 <ProfMac> ;;market sell --usd 1000
1284 2013-02-13 23:37:34 <gribble> A market order to sell 1000.0000 USD worth of bitcoins right now would sell 39.855211 bitcoins and would take the last price down to 25.0710 USD, resulting in an average price of 25.0908 USD/BTC.
1285 2013-02-13 23:39:05 <jaakkos> this is old, right? http://www.nilsschneider.net/2013/01/28/recovering-bitcoin-private-keys.html
1286 2013-02-13 23:39:20 <jaakkos> did someone check the extent of that?
1287 2013-02-13 23:39:29 <moore> me
1288 2013-02-13 23:39:35 <moore> well and him
1289 2013-02-13 23:39:50 <jaakkos> so are you a rich man now? ;)
1290 2013-02-13 23:39:55 brwyatt is now known as Away!~brwyatt@brwyatt.net|brwyatt
1291 2013-02-13 23:40:09 <moore> no cause he got it all :)
1292 2013-02-13 23:40:19 <moore> any by rich I mean 7btc
1293 2013-02-13 23:40:26 <moore> and with the owners permission
1294 2013-02-13 23:40:48 <Scrat> I wonder what client that guy used
1295 2013-02-13 23:40:56 <moore> here is my write up on it: https://plus.google.com/u/0/106313804833283549032/posts/X1TvcxNhMWz
1296 2013-02-13 23:41:05 <Scrat> oh it says
1297 2013-02-13 23:41:07 <moore> which guy used
1298 2013-02-13 23:41:09 <Scrat> hardware
1299 2013-02-13 23:41:25 <moore> ya
1300 2013-02-13 23:41:54 <sipa> jaakkos: i didn't go as far as recovering keys, but i did verify independently that some transactions were vulnerable
1301 2013-02-13 23:41:54 <MC1984> 29thash
1302 2013-02-13 23:42:07 <MC1984> is dat sum avalon?
1303 2013-02-13 23:42:18 <moore> ecdsa in particular and crypto is easy to mess up in implementation.
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1305 2013-02-13 23:42:54 <sipa> moore: i'd say ecdsa is actually quite easy to get right
1306 2013-02-13 23:43:01 <sipa> compared to RSA, for example
1307 2013-02-13 23:45:12 * Scrat is reminded of sony's ecdsa fuckup
1308 2013-02-13 23:45:51 <moore> well if you set the bar low enough
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1310 2013-02-13 23:48:42 <dhill> GetFilesize should return long
1311 2013-02-13 23:48:50 <dhill> ftell returns long
1312 2013-02-13 23:49:11 <sipa> dhill: true, but meh
1313 2013-02-13 23:49:17 <sipa> we don't have files >2 GB
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1315 2013-02-13 23:52:30 <dhill> ShrinkDebugFile has a file descriptor leak
1316 2013-02-13 23:52:51 <dhill>     if (file && GetFilesize(file) > 10 * 1000000)
1317 2013-02-13 23:53:01 <dhill> if the latter is false, file is never fclose'd
1318 2013-02-13 23:53:31 <sipa> dhill: nice catch!
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1323 2013-02-13 23:58:46 <sipa> dhill: please report