1 2013-03-27 00:00:52 <Blaster_> guys, I lost 16 bitcoins because I forgot my wallet passphrase, and I just ran this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=25091.0) and its found over 200 keys and going. Is there a chance I have my coins back?
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3 2013-03-27 00:01:14 <TheSeven> Blaster_: if you lost your passphrase, then they're gone
4 2013-03-27 00:01:29 <Blaster_> even if this app finds them?
5 2013-03-27 00:01:47 <TheSeven> if the wallet was encrypted, it can't possibly find them without the passphrase
6 2013-03-27 00:01:56 <TheSeven> if you remember most of the passphrase, it might be recoverable though, but with quite a bit of effort
7 2013-03-27 00:02:25 <Blaster_> But this app is finding the unencrypted private keys isn't it?
8 2013-03-27 00:02:33 <TheSeven> "Edit 3: v0.3 release to support the compressed public keys created by recent Bitcoin versions. Still can't recover encrypted wallets."
9 2013-03-27 00:02:34 <rdponticelli> Blaster_: Try importing those keys to a new wallet, and you'll see
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11 2013-03-27 00:03:03 <rdponticelli> You may have some luck if you received coins before the encription
12 2013-03-27 00:03:08 <iwilcox> He did.
13 2013-03-27 00:03:42 <TheSeven> do you have a copy of the wallet from before you encrypted it?
14 2013-03-27 00:03:50 <Blaster_> no
15 2013-03-27 00:04:05 <Blaster_> this thing has outputted a large list of public and private keypairs
16 2013-03-27 00:04:14 <Blaster_> doesnt that mean it found them unencrypted?
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18 2013-03-27 00:04:32 <iwilcox> Could be. The only way to be sure is to fire up the client with the generated wallet.
19 2013-03-27 00:04:34 <TheSeven> it found something that looks like a key - but isn't necessarily one of the keys that hold your funds
20 2013-03-27 00:04:35 <rdponticelli> Blaster_: Maybe. You'll have to try
21 2013-03-27 00:04:50 <Blaster_> ok
22 2013-03-27 00:04:53 <TheSeven> or put the public keys into blockchain.info and check
23 2013-03-27 00:04:54 <Blaster_> holding my breath here
24 2013-03-27 00:05:07 <TheSeven> how did you lose the passphrase?
25 2013-03-27 00:05:15 <Blaster_> somehow with keepass it saved the wrong password.
26 2013-03-27 00:05:15 <TheSeven> i there a chance to recover most of it?
27 2013-03-27 00:05:22 <Blaster_> no it was randomly generated
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29 2013-03-27 00:05:25 <TheSeven> damn
30 2013-03-27 00:05:33 <Blaster_> yeah it really sucks
31 2013-03-27 00:05:43 <Blaster_> this is pretty much my last hope
32 2013-03-27 00:06:08 <Blaster_> 203 keys recoverd it says
33 2013-03-27 00:06:10 <Blaster_> recovered
34 2013-03-27 00:06:19 <Blaster_> 9 % done
35 2013-03-27 00:06:20 <TheSeven> mind to pastebin the public keys?
36 2013-03-27 00:06:33 <TheSeven> was the wallet encrypted from the very beginning?
37 2013-03-27 00:06:39 <Blaster_> no
38 2013-03-27 00:06:44 <TheSeven> if not, how long ago (roughly) did you encrypt it?
39 2013-03-27 00:06:48 <Blaster_> on the 21st
40 2013-03-27 00:06:56 <Blaster_> and i had btc installed since the 16th
41 2013-03-27 00:06:58 <rdponticelli> Blaster_: If you're importing them on the reference client, use the rescan=false flag, until the last one
42 2013-03-27 00:06:59 <TheSeven> ok, then this might indeed work
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44 2013-03-27 00:07:16 <iwilcox> $1500 riding on it working :)
45 2013-03-27 00:07:27 <Blaster_> yes indeed
46 2013-03-27 00:07:40 <sipa> if it can recover keys, there's something wrong
47 2013-03-27 00:07:45 <TheSeven> note that this isn't recovering the keys from your wallet file, but rather from some free space on the hdd where an unencrypted wallet copy used to be
48 2013-03-27 00:07:51 <sipa> ah
49 2013-03-27 00:07:56 <Blaster_> yes thats what I am banking on
50 2013-03-27 00:08:11 <Blaster_> I know shadow copies of my fs got created, but they got corrupted due to a repartioning
51 2013-03-27 00:08:12 <rdponticelli> sipa: It's windows, there's something wrong indeed
52 2013-03-27 00:08:40 <Blaster_> but just because its found 203 pub/priv keypairs doesnt mean any of them are bitcoin keypairs, so I may be out of luck still
53 2013-03-27 00:08:42 <TheSeven> well those shadow copies largely increase the chance of success here
54 2013-03-27 00:09:12 <saivann> qdii : Current translations are made by a Canadian french (me), and I welcome any improvements. I am aware of a few typos and I was about to proof-read it again very closely. Thanks
55 2013-03-27 00:09:20 <TheSeven> Blaster_: did it find all 203 of those in one large chunk?
56 2013-03-27 00:09:30 <TheSeven> and then nothing since that?
57 2013-03-27 00:09:44 <Blaster_> well, pretty much
58 2013-03-27 00:09:50 <TheSeven> that sounds good
59 2013-03-27 00:09:54 <Blaster_> really
60 2013-03-27 00:10:04 <Blaster_> yeah it found all those in the first 5 minutes of this tool running
61 2013-03-27 00:10:26 <Blaster_> its 13% done
62 2013-03-27 00:10:33 <TheSeven> roughly how many addresses did you generate and how many outgoing transactions did you send?
63 2013-03-27 00:10:40 <TheSeven> is the sum of those somewhere around 100?
64 2013-03-27 00:11:01 <Blaster_> no I only received like one transaction and sent 2
65 2013-03-27 00:11:09 <Blaster_> and I generated 2 addresses
66 2013-03-27 00:11:18 <lianj> TheSeven: bitcoind precreates a lot of keys
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68 2013-03-27 00:11:35 <sipa> yes, 100
69 2013-03-27 00:11:36 <TheSeven> lianj: I thought the default keypool size was 100, but it might have been 200
70 2013-03-27 00:11:42 <Blaster_> bashful is another helpful ircer who was dilligently trying to help me through this
71 2013-03-27 00:11:50 <bashful> hello
72 2013-03-27 00:11:50 <Blaster_> i have a whole team trying to help me get my coins back lol
73 2013-03-27 00:12:18 <Diablo-D3> I tohught it was 200
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75 2013-03-27 00:12:23 <Diablo-D3> because you need to backup every 100 transactions
76 2013-03-27 00:12:31 <Blaster_> does that recovery app find any pub/priv keypairs or just ones that look like BTC keypairs?
77 2013-03-27 00:12:36 <sipa> it's 100
78 2013-03-27 00:12:42 <TheSeven> can you paste the first few public keys here (or privately to me)?
79 2013-03-27 00:12:47 <Diablo-D3> er right, Im stupid, its 100
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81 2013-03-27 00:13:12 <Blaster_> TheSeven: I dont want to spoil the suprise, and it's a separate box than I am typing on
82 2013-03-27 00:13:37 <TheSeven> it's very likely that all your funds are within the first 5-10 of those
83 2013-03-27 00:13:47 <jaakkos> Blaster_: do you remember anything about the passphrase
84 2013-03-27 00:13:49 <Blaster_> it found 203 keys very quickly
85 2013-03-27 00:13:52 <TheSeven> jaakkos: no
86 2013-03-27 00:14:00 <Blaster_> jakkos: it was randomly generated using keepass
87 2013-03-27 00:14:05 <Blaster_> 22 chars, puncuation, etc
88 2013-03-27 00:14:15 <Blaster_> jaakkos* sorry
89 2013-03-27 00:14:43 <jaakkos> ok so it's hopeless
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91 2013-03-27 00:15:26 <Blaster_> why do you say that?
92 2013-03-27 00:15:38 <Blaster_> I have recovered 200 pub/priv key and counting, using https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=25091.0
93 2013-03-27 00:15:40 <lianj> if you found some 'keys' just go ahead and look up the addresses balances
94 2013-03-27 00:15:55 <jaakkos> Blaster_: private keys?
95 2013-03-27 00:15:59 <Blaster_> people keep contradicting other people here
96 2013-03-27 00:16:03 <Blaster_> jaakkos: yes
97 2013-03-27 00:16:04 <jaakkos> how is that possible without the passphrase
98 2013-03-27 00:16:14 <Blaster_> My wallet was previously unencrypted on the computer in question
99 2013-03-27 00:16:27 <TheSeven> jaakkos: not from the wallet file, but from the keypool of an unencrypted wallet copy somewhere in the drive's free space
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102 2013-03-27 00:17:26 <Blaster_> if this works I am going to be forever faithful
103 2013-03-27 00:17:28 <jaakkos> yeah. btw, could you attempt to recover keepass files?
104 2013-03-27 00:17:46 <Blaster_> I tried, but it seems I didn't save the proper passphrase
105 2013-03-27 00:17:52 <Blaster_> I backed up keepass several times
106 2013-03-27 00:18:14 <lianj> if you found some 'keys' just go ahead and look up the addresses balances
107 2013-03-27 00:18:24 <Blaster_> I can't right now
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111 2013-03-27 00:18:40 <Blaster_> this is happening on another PC and I dont want to retype 200+ keys
112 2013-03-27 00:19:09 <Blaster_> nor interrupt the process ;)
113 2013-03-27 00:19:37 * TheSeven still wonders why there would be 203 keys for 3 manually generated ones
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115 2013-03-27 00:20:00 <Blaster_> didnt someone say bitcoin pregenerates a bunch of keys?
116 2013-03-27 00:20:06 <lianj> maybe not uniq ones
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118 2013-03-27 00:20:20 <Blaster_> read https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=25091.0
119 2013-03-27 00:20:24 <TheSeven> it should pregenerate 100, not 200
120 2013-03-27 00:20:29 <Blaster_> they even say its good news if all the sudden 100-200 are found
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123 2013-03-27 00:20:49 <TheSeven> so either you had two wallets, or something has tinkered with they keypool settings, or that tool doesn't ignore duplicates
124 2013-03-27 00:20:53 <lianj> but this should only continue when he has the keys at hand and can paste pubkeys
125 2013-03-27 00:20:59 <lianj> TheSeven: maybe not uniq ones
126 2013-03-27 00:21:26 <Blaster_> does one wallet become two wallets when you protect it with passphrase?
127 2013-03-27 00:21:48 <Blaster_> ie. one becomes obsolete?
128 2013-03-27 00:21:57 <lianj> maybe he ran testnet once
129 2013-03-27 00:22:09 <Blaster_> no
130 2013-03-27 00:22:23 <TheSeven> Blaster_: not in a way that would generate additional keys
131 2013-03-27 00:22:26 <Blaster_> i have a bunch of ssh-keygen keys, would this pick those up?
132 2013-03-27 00:22:40 <TheSeven> it shouldn't
133 2013-03-27 00:23:03 <Blaster_> when I load these back up why do I have to start btc with -rescan?
134 2013-03-27 00:24:17 <lianj> i would check using some oneline or local tool if the addresses from that pubkeys actually have balance in them before the rescan
135 2013-03-27 00:25:12 <Blaster_> why?
136 2013-03-27 00:25:19 <lianj> faster
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142 2013-03-27 00:34:53 <Blaster_> all the pubkey its found have been compressed. Does bitcoin 0.8.2 create compressed pubkeys?
143 2013-03-27 00:36:02 <iwilcox> Keys have been compressed for a few versions now.
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158 2013-03-27 00:50:17 <Luke-Jr> Blaster_: IIRC compressed pubkeys were added in 0.6
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160 2013-03-27 00:51:26 <jurov> hello, can anyone help me debug sendmany problem? i get reply {"code":-1,"message":"sendmany <fromaccount> {address:amount,...} [minconf=1] [comment]\namounts are double-precision floating point numbers\nrequires wallet passphrase to be set with walletpassphrase first"}
161 2013-03-27 00:51:31 <gmaxwell> 17:13 < Blaster_> all the pubkey its found have been compressed. Does bitcoin 0.8.2 create compressed pubkeys?
162 2013-03-27 00:51:40 <gmaxwell> Yes, but only if the wallet is upgraded to a new enough version.
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165 2013-03-27 00:51:52 <Blaster_> gmaxwell this wallet was created by 0.8.2
166 2013-03-27 00:52:02 <gmaxwell> Blaster_: then all keys will be compressed.
167 2013-03-27 00:53:19 <Blaster_> cool
168 2013-03-27 00:53:26 <Blaster_> that gives me hope
169 2013-03-27 00:53:39 <doublec> jurov: usually that means you got the command line syntax wrong
170 2013-03-27 00:53:49 <doublec> jurov: possibly incorrectly escaping the JSON
171 2013-03-27 00:54:24 <Blaster_> also, I accidentally created another wallet as I was trying to recover my first (emptied out the data dir and launched bitcoin) so could that explain why this recovery app (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=25091.0) has found 200+ keys?
172 2013-03-27 00:54:37 <jurov> doublec: i omitted the account parameter
173 2013-03-27 00:54:44 <gmaxwell> Blaster_: yea, it found the 100 keypool keys in each wallet too, I expect.
174 2013-03-27 00:54:51 <jurov> but the error is utternly confusing
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176 2013-03-27 00:55:02 <jurov> thx anyway!
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180 2013-03-27 00:55:08 <doublec> np
181 2013-03-27 00:55:21 <sipa> 0.8.2 ??
182 2013-03-27 00:55:24 <gmaxwell> jurov: it's just giving you the help for the rpc.
183 2013-03-27 00:55:48 <gmaxwell> hm. I must have version number error correction in my brain. I thought he was asking about 0.7.2
184 2013-03-27 00:56:19 <gmaxwell> Or maybe I'm really from the future and you caught me not realizing which versions are out in this timeline.
185 2013-03-27 00:56:27 <doublec> is there a tool to extract private keys from a corrupt wallet.dat?
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187 2013-03-27 00:57:35 <tgs3> doublec: yes, send wallet to me, will send you back extracted privkeys
188 2013-03-27 00:58:03 <doublec> nice try :)
189 2013-03-27 00:58:10 <tgs3> what? :)
190 2013-03-27 00:58:26 <sipa> doublec: best trick i found: db4.8_dump corruptwallet.dat | db4.8_import fixedwallet.dat
191 2013-03-27 00:58:43 <doublec> sipa: thanks, I'll give it a try
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194 2013-03-27 00:59:25 <gmaxwell> doublec: in theory -salvagewallet though you may need the pull I have open for it to do anything.
195 2013-03-27 00:59:36 <gmaxwell> It's simiar to doing db4.8_dump corruptwallet.dat | db4.8_import fixedwallet.dat though.
196 2013-03-27 01:00:00 <midnightmagic> gmaxwell: salvagewallet , does it do a raw scan for key-looking objects or does it grok the db format?
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199 2013-03-27 01:00:46 <gmaxwell> midnightmagic: the later, mostly.
200 2013-03-27 01:00:55 <midnightmagic> okie doke thanks.
201 2013-03-27 01:03:01 <doublec> looks like dump/load recovered enough to load it, thanks
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206 2013-03-27 01:15:19 <warren> gmaxwell: is it confirmed that the leveldb + btrfs problem is due to leveldb's use of sparse files?
207 2013-03-27 01:15:27 <warren> (and btrfs not handling that well)
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209 2013-03-27 01:15:51 <warren> I just corrupted here again due to a power outage. quite annoying.
210 2013-03-27 01:15:59 <sipa> leveldb doesn't use sparse files...
211 2013-03-27 01:16:10 <warren> oh
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213 2013-03-27 01:16:49 <gmaxwell> sipa: apparently it does.
214 2013-03-27 01:17:02 <gmaxwell> warren: I gave you the link to the thread go look at it. :P
215 2013-03-27 01:17:10 <sipa> gmaxwell: link?
216 2013-03-27 01:17:24 * gmaxwell was trying to get out of looking it up again.
217 2013-03-27 01:17:25 <gmaxwell> :P
218 2013-03-27 01:17:32 <sipa> ok
219 2013-03-27 01:17:34 <sipa> warren: link?
220 2013-03-27 01:18:19 <warren> gmaxwell: it was in the znc memory of the server that lost power just now
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222 2013-03-27 01:18:45 <gmaxwell> This was supposidly the patch that fixed it: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/josef/btrfs-next.git/commit/?id=d468abec6b9fd7132d012d33573ecb8056c7c43f but since it didn't seem that people had a reliable reproduction I'm not confident in it.
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230 2013-03-27 01:21:35 <doublec> sipa: -salvagewallet fixed the issue for me
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232 2013-03-27 01:22:44 * warren adds db quieting to TODO list ...
233 2013-03-27 01:24:41 <gmaxwell> warren: how do you deal with users that quiet the db and forget to unquiet it? Disable mining, processing blocks, and accepting new P2P connections while the db is quiet?
234 2013-03-27 01:25:23 <sipa> what is db quieting?
235 2013-03-27 01:25:28 <warren> gmaxwell: too bad for them. I just want a way to safely copy the index.
236 2013-03-27 01:25:38 <gmaxwell> sipa: flushing it and putting it in a state that you can back it up from.
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238 2013-03-27 01:25:42 <sipa> oh, righ
239 2013-03-27 01:25:58 <warren> gmaxwell: set a time limit? you don't need much time to copy it.
240 2013-03-27 01:25:59 <gmaxwell> warren: we don't want people creating broken nodes that way, it harms more than just the person who does it.
241 2013-03-27 01:26:08 <gmaxwell> thats one possiblity.
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243 2013-03-27 01:27:51 <warren> FWIW I've copied the live bdb many times and haven't had it in a corrupted state. Yet. =)
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245 2013-03-27 01:27:56 <warren> For local test nodes
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247 2013-03-27 01:28:48 <gmaxwell> warren: that you know is corrupted, it's not like there is a consistency check!
248 2013-03-27 01:29:07 <warren> I would blow away those nodes within hours anyway
249 2013-03-27 01:29:24 <gmaxwell> are you talking about 0.7.x nodes?
250 2013-03-27 01:29:28 <gmaxwell> oh litecoin
251 2013-03-27 01:29:32 <warren> both
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253 2013-03-27 01:29:59 <gmaxwell> In any case, it does corrupt it if you copy it out from under it at the wrong time. Just depends on where in its rollback log application it is.
254 2013-03-27 01:30:10 <gmaxwell> If you're lucky it will crash it instead of sending it off on a fork.
255 2013-03-27 01:30:32 <warren> yeah, I got lucky. I didn't care if it was corrupted. I was using -connect and not doing any tx's
256 2013-03-27 01:30:41 <sipa> warren: how about an explicit "copy database" RPC?
257 2013-03-27 01:30:44 <sipa> like backupwallet
258 2013-03-27 01:30:57 <warren> sipa: that would actually write a copy itself?
259 2013-03-27 01:31:02 <sipa> yes
260 2013-03-27 01:31:07 <warren> sipa: that'd be great.
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263 2013-03-27 01:32:13 <warren> I might disappear at any moment, power might die again
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265 2013-03-27 01:32:17 <warren> bbl
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319 2013-03-27 02:36:40 <sipa> BlueMatt: pong
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321 2013-03-27 02:37:19 <BlueMatt> sipa: actually, nvm I think I did it
322 2013-03-27 02:37:45 <sipa> eh, good!
323 2013-03-27 02:37:48 * sipa zZzZ
324 2013-03-27 02:37:58 <BlueMatt> heh, have fun
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422 2013-03-27 04:59:59 <Optimus-Prime> hi
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425 2013-03-27 05:00:54 <Optimus-Prime> what's up
426 2013-03-27 05:01:46 <Belxjander> Optimus-Prime: the BTC exchange rate?
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428 2013-03-27 05:03:50 <Luke-Jr> anyone awake?
429 2013-03-27 05:04:11 <Optimus-Prime> yes hi
430 2013-03-27 05:04:11 <zoinky> o_o
431 2013-03-27 05:04:32 <Belxjander> I'm awake
432 2013-03-27 05:07:22 <Belxjander> Luke-Jr: do you know anyone with a working FPGA program including sources?
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434 2013-03-27 05:08:22 <Luke-Jr> Belxjander: BFGMiner..
435 2013-03-27 05:08:42 <Belxjander> Luke-Jr: includes the FPGA sources?
436 2013-03-27 05:08:54 <Belxjander> compilable into a bitstream?
437 2013-03-27 05:09:00 <Luke-Jr> I believe I linked you to the repo with the bitstream sources
438 2013-03-27 05:09:43 <Belxjander> was that yesterday or the day before...
439 2013-03-27 05:09:55 <Belxjander> if it was 2 days ago then I would not really remember
440 2013-03-27 05:10:09 <Belxjander> if it was yesterday then I have a chance I will remember something
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443 2013-03-27 05:11:25 <Belxjander> Luke-Jr: the bfgminer source tree appears to only have the software sources, not the fpga hardware bitstream sources
444 2013-03-27 05:11:47 <Luke-Jr> search for fpgaminer on github
445 2013-03-27 05:12:16 <Belxjander> that one includes Verilog or VHDL?
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452 2013-03-27 05:18:45 <Luke-Jr> whatever .v is
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480 2013-03-27 06:09:00 <Blaster_> hi guys
481 2013-03-27 06:09:37 <Blaster_> can anyone tell me, once I follow the steps here, and I have the recovered-wallet.dat, how I continue? do I just copy it into the data dir? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=25091.0
482 2013-03-27 06:09:51 <Blaster_> it says to run rescan, but I am not sure why I would need to.
483 2013-03-27 06:10:14 <gmaxwell> because the recovered wallet.dat will know no transactionsâ but it should autorescan in any case.
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485 2013-03-27 06:10:55 <gmaxwell> Blaster_: with bitcoin shut down, backup your encrypted wallet.dat that is in your appdata directory now and then put the recovered on in the same place. (make a copy of it too, just to be sure)
486 2013-03-27 06:11:07 <gmaxwell> then start bitcoin it should rescan which may make the startup take longer than usual.
487 2013-03-27 06:11:23 <Blaster_> I am doing it on a different pc with a freshly downloaded bitcoin client and up to date blockchain
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489 2013-03-27 06:11:26 <gmaxwell> it won't show the txn until its down rescanning (and until your node is synced up, if its not already)
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491 2013-03-27 06:11:36 <gmaxwell> okay. same deal.
492 2013-03-27 06:12:04 <Blaster_> so just place the recovered wallet.dat in place of the wallet.dat
493 2013-03-27 06:12:09 <Blaster_> and then just run bitcoin-qt?
494 2013-03-27 06:12:22 <Blaster_> how will I know if it worked and I recovered my coins?
495 2013-03-27 06:12:52 <Blaster_> will by balance be displayed appropriately right away, or after some time, or other?
496 2013-03-27 06:12:58 <Blaster_> my balance*
497 2013-03-27 06:13:39 <weex> as soon as the rescan is done it should
498 2013-03-27 06:13:49 <Blaster_> about how long does a rescan take?
499 2013-03-27 06:14:06 <weex> depends on your hardware but maybe 30-60 mins?
500 2013-03-27 06:14:06 <Blaster_> i am very nervous... I have a lot of coin riding on this recovery :|
501 2013-03-27 06:14:30 <Blaster_> ok
502 2013-03-27 06:14:33 <weex> if you have backups of your wallet and a rescan can't really do any damage
503 2013-03-27 06:14:44 <Blaster_> I am recovering my wallet using https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=25091.0
504 2013-03-27 06:14:55 <Blaster_> I got locked out because the passphrase I used didnt get saved properly in keepass
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506 2013-03-27 06:15:36 <Blaster_> I think the recovered-wallet is going to contain key pairs from 2 different wallets, is that going to pose an issue?
507 2013-03-27 06:17:02 <weex> i wouldn't imagine so
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509 2013-03-27 06:17:51 <Blaster_> k thanks so much
510 2013-03-27 06:17:55 <weex> i don't really understand how a tool can help with an encrypted wallet but maybe you're trying with a version from before?
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512 2013-03-27 06:18:15 <Blaster_> well I only encrypted the wallet a couple days ago
513 2013-03-27 06:18:19 <Blaster_> before that it was unencrypted
514 2013-03-27 06:18:32 <Blaster_> so this tool hopefully can pull the private keys from the unencrypted version out of my HDD somehow
515 2013-03-27 06:18:49 <Guest74366> Hmmm. my bitcoin-qt is rebroadcasting transactions in ResendWalletTransactions() that were included in a block almost a year ago!
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517 2013-03-27 06:19:10 <Blaster_> it has found 200 keys so that is promising I hope *cross fingers*
518 2013-03-27 06:19:23 <Blaster_> but I have to wait for it to finish so I dont get a half baked wallet file
519 2013-03-27 06:19:49 <sivu> patience is good
520 2013-03-27 06:20:09 <Blaster_> about 100 keypairs for wallet I have been told?
521 2013-03-27 06:20:12 <Blaster_> per wallet*
522 2013-03-27 06:20:20 <rebroad_> I shall raise an issue for this...
523 2013-03-27 06:20:57 <Blaster_> lets hear it
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545 2013-03-27 07:04:21 <bonks> When creating a raw transaction (I'm using brainwallet.org), is it required to include transaction history?
546 2013-03-27 07:04:43 <bonks> I am trying to transfer coins from an address containing inputs, offline
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552 2013-03-27 07:21:28 <bonks> Ok so I was able to use blockchain.info/unspent?address= and copy over the input to my offline machine via a usb stick and that worked
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555 2013-03-27 07:21:57 <bonks> What is the syntax for bitcoind? listunspent "address" displays all unspent items
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576 2013-03-27 07:43:49 <Aziz_> Hey guys, I am trying to integrate btc into my rails app. Any pointer/guider where i can get started?
577 2013-03-27 07:43:55 <Aziz_> guides*
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596 2013-03-27 08:04:16 <Blaster_> hey I tried opening my bitcoin wallet and I got wallet corrupted. So I run dbdump.py from bitcointools and I got "ERROR parsing wallet.dat, type bestblock key data in hex: .... value data in hex: 0000000" any help please?
597 2013-03-27 08:04:24 <doublec> Aziz_: find a jsonrpc client for ruby and use the bitcoin rpc api
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599 2013-03-27 08:05:04 <doublec> Aziz_:
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601 2013-03-27 08:08:37 <Blaster_> can I save time downloading the block chain if I already have it on one PC on my LAN?
602 2013-03-27 08:08:44 <Blaster_> just copy the blockchain over ?
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614 2013-03-27 08:37:00 <naxxatoe> the walls, they are coming closer
615 2013-03-27 08:40:34 <Blaster_> hey I lost my encrypted wallet of 16.25 btc, but I recovered my public and private keys from before I encrypted it. I was able to use those private keys in a new wallet.dat, but my balance is only 0.5. Why is that?
616 2013-03-27 08:41:05 <hmmmstrange> you may be missing change addresses.....
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619 2013-03-27 08:41:35 <Blaster_> so would a change address result in new priv/pub keys?
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621 2013-03-27 08:41:59 <hmmmstrange> yes, if you had gone through your pre generated addresses
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623 2013-03-27 08:42:12 <Blaster_> what do you mean?
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626 2013-03-27 08:44:54 <hmmmstrange> i'm probably not the best to answer....
627 2013-03-27 08:45:32 <hmmmstrange> bitcoind pre generates addresses for use as the change address when you send coins
628 2013-03-27 08:46:44 <Blaster_> at the same time that you send them?
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630 2013-03-27 08:47:11 <Blaster_> when you say addresses do you mean key value pairs ?
631 2013-03-27 08:47:13 <hmmmstrange> this is where i'm not the best guy to answer it
632 2013-03-27 08:47:18 <Blaster_> pub priv keys
633 2013-03-27 08:47:23 <Blaster_> ok
634 2013-03-27 08:48:06 <hmmmstrange> i'm not sure if it will reuse addresses or generate new ones if you use up them
635 2013-03-27 08:49:41 <hmmmstrange> did you try -rescan?
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637 2013-03-27 08:52:50 <Blaster_> yes
638 2013-03-27 08:53:05 <Blaster_> damn it sucks losing 16 btc :(
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640 2013-03-27 08:53:16 <hmmmstrange> how did you lose it?
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642 2013-03-27 08:53:32 <Blaster_> keepass generated a password to use as the passphrase of my wallet
643 2013-03-27 08:53:40 <Blaster_> and so I encrypted with that passphrase
644 2013-03-27 08:53:41 rphlx_ is now known as rphlx
645 2013-03-27 08:53:53 <Blaster_> and then it didnt save the passphrase into keepass properly.
646 2013-03-27 08:54:03 <Blaster_> so now I am locked out of the encrypted wallet
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649 2013-03-27 08:54:21 <Blaster_> but It's time to move on and get over it I suppose
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651 2013-03-27 08:54:41 <hmmmstrange> how long ago?
652 2013-03-27 08:54:50 <Blaster_> a few days
653 2013-03-27 08:55:04 <Blaster_> i recovered a copy of the wallet.dat from before I encrypted it
654 2013-03-27 08:55:12 <Blaster_> but like I said, it doesnt have my coins
655 2013-03-27 08:55:15 <hmmmstrange> i was thinking of mem dump
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657 2013-03-27 08:55:21 <Blaster_> they were sent to a change address
658 2013-03-27 08:55:33 <Blaster_> what would I find in a memdump?
659 2013-03-27 08:55:41 <hmmmstrange> it's too late
660 2013-03-27 08:55:56 <Blaster_> ahh
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713 2013-03-27 10:07:54 <Silox> !~Silox@zeusgw.ugent.be|Can you mine litecoins with scrypt without GPU?
714 2013-03-27 10:08:02 <Silox> !~Silox@zeusgw.ugent.be|cgminer tells me that I need opencl to enable scrypt ><
715 2013-03-27 10:08:59 <n1c> You can, not sure if you can with cgminer though?
716 2013-03-27 10:09:33 <Silox> !~Silox@zeusgw.ugent.be|I'll try cpuminer then :3
717 2013-03-27 10:09:55 <n1c> It seems like cgminer does have a "--enable-cpu" flag
718 2013-03-27 10:10:04 <n1c> "CPU only options (deprecated, not included in binaries!):"
719 2013-03-27 10:10:38 <n1c> Q: What happened to CPU mining?
720 2013-03-27 10:10:38 <n1c> A: Being increasingly irrelevant for most users, and a maintenance issue, it is
721 2013-03-27 10:10:38 <n1c> no longer under active development and will not be supported unless someone
722 2013-03-27 10:10:38 <n1c> steps up to help maintain it. No binary builds supporting CPU mining will be
723 2013-03-27 10:10:38 <n1c> released but CPU mining can be built into cgminer when it is compiled.
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727 2013-03-27 10:11:53 <Silox> !~Silox@zeusgw.ugent.be|Yeah, I'm compiling it, but even with --enable-cpumining, I can't enable scrypt
728 2013-03-27 10:12:01 <n1c> :x
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823 2013-03-27 12:21:59 <Fanquake> Anyone having frequent db corruption using QT on OSX? Installed 0.8.1 a few days after it came out, never had a corruption/issue before then. Since install I've had a corrupted wallet/db at least twice, maybe a third time. Although both times the wallet has recovered fine.
824 2013-03-27 12:22:43 <TD> which db is corrupted? the chain state db or the wallet?
825 2013-03-27 12:23:19 <Fanquake> Pretty sure chain state. I can't remember exactly what came up.
826 2013-03-27 12:23:31 <Fanquake> Just checking the log
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833 2013-03-27 12:32:25 <TD> Fanquake: yeah, we get more reports of corruption since the change to leveldb. we think it's not actually a bug but rather, that leveldb is better at detecting flaky hardware than bdb was
834 2013-03-27 12:32:38 <TD> Fanquake: so it may be that there's an issue with your hdd
835 2013-03-27 12:32:45 <TD> (or flash storage)
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837 2013-03-27 12:35:11 <Fanquake> TD: I'm using one of the mac fusion drives, essentially a 120GB SSD, and a 3TB HDD
838 2013-03-27 12:35:21 <TD> ok
839 2013-03-27 12:35:24 <Fanquake> Purchased this year
840 2013-03-27 12:35:41 <TD> do you have more details on the nature of the corruption?
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842 2013-03-27 12:36:28 <Fanquake> Looking through debug.log backups to find something for ya
843 2013-03-27 12:44:07 <flyingkiwiguy> wallet tx bloat seems to be a real issue for bitcoind
844 2013-03-27 12:45:50 <flyingkiwiguy> $ ls -s wallet.dat*
845 2013-03-27 12:45:54 <flyingkiwiguy> 184720 wallet.dat
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847 2013-03-27 12:46:37 <flyingkiwiguy> is it fine to overwrite the bloated wallet with the original wallet periodically?
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849 2013-03-27 12:47:25 <rdponticelli> flyingkiwiguy: You can create a new wallet and send your balance there
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852 2013-03-27 12:48:21 <rdponticelli> Overwriting it is a horrible idea, and won't work
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857 2013-03-27 12:55:45 <kermit_> jgarzik are you here?
858 2013-03-27 12:56:12 <kermit_> I forked picocoin but an include file is missing: #include "picocoin-config.h"
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868 2013-03-27 13:07:44 <flyingkiwiguy> rdponticelli: yes, I understand the wallet shuffle approach
869 2013-03-27 13:08:09 <flyingkiwiguy> why wouldn;t overwriting work? I thought the tx log in wallet.dat is a (poor) replica of the blockchain?
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871 2013-03-27 13:08:35 <flyingkiwiguy> hence Satoshi's dislike of listtransactions
872 2013-03-27 13:10:25 <sipa> a poor replica?
873 2013-03-27 13:10:42 <sipa> it doesn't contain the same information
874 2013-03-27 13:11:04 <flyingkiwiguy> is there anything in it concerning tx that can't be rebuilt from the blockchain?
875 2013-03-27 13:11:15 <sipa> time
876 2013-03-27 13:11:17 <flyingkiwiguy> (other than keys, of course)
877 2013-03-27 13:11:18 <sipa> account info
878 2013-03-27 13:11:22 <sipa> comments
879 2013-03-27 13:11:34 <sipa> unconfirmed transactions
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881 2013-03-27 13:12:03 <sipa> the blockchain is a last-resort way tonlrevent loss of coins in a wallet
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883 2013-03-27 13:12:13 <sipa> to prevent
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885 2013-03-27 13:13:57 <flyingkiwiguy> so essentially the wallet recycling requires at least two bitcoind instances for 24x7 operation, including a lot of juggling of keys
886 2013-03-27 13:14:14 <sipa> heh?
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889 2013-03-27 13:14:32 <sipa> wallet recyclung?
890 2013-03-27 13:14:52 <flyingkiwiguy> sending bitcoins to a new wallet when an old wallet is bloated
891 2013-03-27 13:15:10 <sipa> define bloated?
892 2013-03-27 13:15:15 <kjj> wait, what?
893 2013-03-27 13:15:26 <flyingkiwiguy> 189MB, 6 second to sync to disk
894 2013-03-27 13:15:34 <sipa> ow
895 2013-03-27 13:15:41 <flyingkiwiguy> yeah
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897 2013-03-27 13:15:48 <kjj> I condense my small transactions without a second wallet or second node running
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899 2013-03-27 13:16:07 <flyingkiwiguy> I want to keep my bitcoind running 99.99%
900 2013-03-27 13:16:17 <sipa> i assume it's more a problem of too many keys?
901 2013-03-27 13:16:27 <rdponticelli> flyingkiwiguy: No, you can start your node after moving your wallet
902 2013-03-27 13:16:34 <flyingkiwiguy> so simply shutting it down, swapping the bloated wallet with the virgin copy (same set of keys), and starting up seems the quickest
903 2013-03-27 13:16:44 <rdponticelli> That will create a new wallet
904 2013-03-27 13:17:23 <flyingkiwiguy> I understand
905 2013-03-27 13:17:35 <rdponticelli> flyingkiwiguy: If you use the same set of keys, you're almost equal
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907 2013-03-27 13:18:14 <sipa> what is causing the wallet to grow so large?
908 2013-03-27 13:18:27 <flyingkiwiguy> testing on testnet, don't worry
909 2013-03-27 13:18:32 <sipa> many keys or many transactions?
910 2013-03-27 13:18:36 <flyingkiwiguy> both
911 2013-03-27 13:18:45 <flyingkiwiguy> 2K keys, 2K+ tx
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913 2013-03-27 13:19:03 <sipa> 2000?
914 2013-03-27 13:19:07 <flyingkiwiguy> yeah
915 2013-03-27 13:19:15 <sipa> that's all?
916 2013-03-27 13:19:28 <flyingkiwiguy> lots of small inputs, perhaps?
917 2013-03-27 13:20:03 <sipa> how many incoming transactions?
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919 2013-03-27 13:20:26 <flyingkiwiguy> I've lost count, but rather a lot
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921 2013-03-27 13:20:50 <flyingkiwiguy> I'm just playing with bitcoind, trying to understand how to manage it in Production 24x7
922 2013-03-27 13:21:03 <rdponticelli> flyingkiwiguy: if you use the same set of keys, you'll have to rescan to see your balance, and all the transactions will end in the wallet again
923 2013-03-27 13:21:18 <flyingkiwiguy> ty rdponticelli, I'll look into that
924 2013-03-27 13:21:44 <sipa> well every outgoing transaction creates a new key for change
925 2013-03-27 13:21:59 <flyingkiwiguy> then I likely have 5K+ keys
926 2013-03-27 13:22:14 <flyingkiwiguy> thanks for your all help, got to run...
927 2013-03-27 13:22:24 <sipa> if you restore a backup that is older than 100 (keypoolsize) new keys, you will lose coins
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929 2013-03-27 13:22:49 <flyingkiwiguy> good to know! laterz
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938 2013-03-27 13:30:59 <Happzz> how long do you think it'll take a tx with 0 fee to be confirmed?
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941 2013-03-27 13:33:48 <denisx> Happzz: that depends on alot of factors
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944 2013-03-27 13:36:16 <SomeoneWeird> Happzz, a while
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971 2013-03-27 13:57:24 <abadr> Using the standard client, how do I get unconfirmed transactions to me? Would `listunspent 0 0` work?
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978 2013-03-27 14:00:54 <rdponticelli> abadr: listtransactions should work
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980 2013-03-27 14:04:17 <abadr> yes, but kind of a blunt tool. i don't know in advance how many txns to specify.
981 2013-03-27 14:05:05 <rdponticelli> abadr: What are you trying to do?
982 2013-03-27 14:06:34 <abadr> from a web interface, display transactions-to-me sorted by block. the unconfirmed ones will be in a column on their own.
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984 2013-03-27 14:07:24 <rdponticelli> Have you seen -walletnotify to receive a notification when there's a change on your wallet transactions?
985 2013-03-27 14:07:45 <abadr> no! that will be very useful. thanks.
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1022 2013-03-27 14:42:59 <abadr> will the standard client accept transactions with multiple outputs to the same address?
1023 2013-03-27 14:43:28 <lianj> not testen but why not
1024 2013-03-27 14:43:35 <lianj> *tested
1025 2013-03-27 14:45:45 <sipa> abadr: yes
1026 2013-03-27 14:46:08 <sipa> iirc there was a bug at some point about listtransactions not showing all
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1029 2013-03-27 14:48:05 <abadr> now it will show multiple entries, right?
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1034 2013-03-27 14:53:01 <abadr> What's the easiest way to get the amount of transaction `txid`'s output `n`?
1035 2013-03-27 14:53:11 <skinnkavaj> Looking for some help with blockchain.info API and bitcoin in general, anyone up for the challenge? will pay you 0.5 BTC if you come up with a solution for me
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1038 2013-03-27 14:54:19 <kinlo> skinnkavaj: shoot :)
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1041 2013-03-27 14:55:29 <gavinandresen> abadr: getrawtransaction <txid> 1 <-- after running bitcoind with the -txindex -reindex flags once so you have a complete transaction index
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1043 2013-03-27 14:56:23 <abadr> thanks, gavinandresen!
1044 2013-03-27 14:56:24 <gavinandresen> abadr: ⦠or if the transaction is in your wallet and unspent, 'listunspent' might be better
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1048 2013-03-27 14:56:50 <Scrat> skinnkavaj: wut
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1050 2013-03-27 15:00:52 <alexwaters> is the "time" included in a block referenced by other blocks?
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1052 2013-03-27 15:01:28 <alexwaters> or included in the hash or mrkl_root?
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1055 2013-03-27 15:02:33 <lianj> alexwaters: the hash is the hash over the block header. the time is inside, so yes
1056 2013-03-27 15:02:42 <petey1> is this the right channel to help me understand some "problems" in my blockchain?
1057 2013-03-27 15:03:43 <rdponticelli> petey1: Just ask
1058 2013-03-27 15:04:48 <petey1> I'm having trouble follwing the blockchain. i have a couple of addresses and i'm basically confused now.
1059 2013-03-27 15:04:50 <petey1> http://blockchain.info/address/18SZ6C4oJSgkaJhQ1QE3bVp2ANuStejkzH
1060 2013-03-27 15:05:20 <petey1> take a look at the latest entry, why is it sending to two addresses there?
1061 2013-03-27 15:05:32 <petey1> in my bitcoin client, i'm only sending 101.24 and that's it
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1063 2013-03-27 15:05:49 <zoinky> its change
1064 2013-03-27 15:05:55 <Scrat> petey1: 2nd is a change address
1065 2013-03-27 15:05:55 <petey1> here's my other address: http://blockchain.info/address/1MqYGHQHpzcGzYfqFcpxMdpEQkby2qH5Zq
1066 2013-03-27 15:06:00 <sipa> ;;google host:bitcoin.it change
1067 2013-03-27 15:06:02 <gribble> Trade - Bitcoin: <https://bitcoin.it/wiki/trade>; Network - Bitcoin: <https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Network>; Virtual private server - Bitcoin: <https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Virtual_private_server>
1068 2013-03-27 15:06:05 <sipa> nah
1069 2013-03-27 15:06:15 <sipa> petey1: read this: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Change
1070 2013-03-27 15:06:31 <rdponticelli> Useless gribble :)
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1072 2013-03-27 15:07:01 <sipa> petey1: or in short: the wallet you see is an abstraction by the client; internally it doesn't deal with balances of addresses, but with individual coins that always have to be spent entirely
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1074 2013-03-27 15:07:08 <rdponticelli> Or useless google
1075 2013-03-27 15:07:18 <sipa> petey1: if a coin is too large for a payment, it is a split, and change is sent back to yourself, under a new address
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1086 2013-03-27 15:07:47 <petey1> i see.
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1088 2013-03-27 15:07:58 <skinnkavaj> ban this fucker
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1090 2013-03-27 15:08:17 <Guest5039> wow
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1093 2013-03-27 15:08:21 <Guest5039> 2 free bitcoins
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1096 2013-03-27 15:08:31 <skinnkavaj> sipa can u ban him
1097 2013-03-27 15:09:10 <petey1> so what's in my wallet is accurate then?
1098 2013-03-27 15:09:26 <sipa> petey1: they're different levels of abstractions
1099 2013-03-27 15:09:47 <sipa> petey1: the blockchain site will show you the low-level bitcoin transactions, the client shows you a ledger & balance
1100 2013-03-27 15:10:09 <sipa> no reason to assume they don't match
1101 2013-03-27 15:10:33 <petey1> ok. so next I see this address showing up... but it's not in my wallet.
1102 2013-03-27 15:10:44 <petey1> is this a "change" address as well?
1103 2013-03-27 15:10:45 <petey1> http://blockchain.info/address/13GgRUUHhvgnBRhNsbi89u2Do1DeixRmK5
1104 2013-03-27 15:11:25 <sipa> petey1: typically, almost every transaction you create will result in change
1105 2013-03-27 15:11:50 <sipa> that one doesn't look like change to me
1106 2013-03-27 15:11:50 <petey1> sipa, i guess this transaction in particular is confing me badly.
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1108 2013-03-27 15:11:52 <petey1> http://blockchain.info/tx/4672b59ab978e1e5de705c695a212c651197a604602e1a787b03c4ea2370be28
1109 2013-03-27 15:12:17 <petey1> my one address is in there and I did send that 3BTC... but i am confused about it
1110 2013-03-27 15:12:33 <petey1> what are those other sender addresses?
1111 2013-03-27 15:12:33 <sipa> all 4 addresses on the left are probably yours
1112 2013-03-27 15:12:44 <sipa> many of them are probably change
1113 2013-03-27 15:13:29 <tockitj> can someone fix ticker on #bitcoin-market ?
1114 2013-03-27 15:14:33 <petey1> sipa, so if I dump my wallet file, should i see those addresses?
1115 2013-03-27 15:14:47 <sipa> yes
1116 2013-03-27 15:14:57 <petey1> and if I do not?
1117 2013-03-27 15:15:07 <sipa> if you don't do what?
1118 2013-03-27 15:15:16 <petey1> i don't see those addresses
1119 2013-03-27 15:15:20 <sipa> you will
1120 2013-03-27 15:15:55 <petey1> is there something other than pywallet I should be using?
1121 2013-03-27 15:15:55 <sipa> try going to the debug console (assuming you're using bitcoin-qt), and type "validateaddress <addr>" without the "" or <>
1122 2013-03-27 15:16:05 <sipa> and with addr one of those addresses
1123 2013-03-27 15:16:23 <sipa> it should tell you ismine : true
1124 2013-03-27 15:18:20 <peawormsworth> anybody know whether the mtgox conversion to coinlab will effect their merchant apis?
1125 2013-03-27 15:19:08 <rdponticelli> peawormsworth: Ask in #mtgox
1126 2013-03-27 15:19:18 <petey1> sipa, thanks! i feel better now
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1128 2013-03-27 15:20:13 <petey1> sipa, should all my addresses show up in the "Receive Coins" tab?
1129 2013-03-27 15:20:19 <sipa> no
1130 2013-03-27 15:20:23 <sipa> only public ones
1131 2013-03-27 15:20:34 <sipa> change addresses are internal and not supposed to be given out
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1133 2013-03-27 15:21:22 <petey1> ok. yeah i didn't even know they were mine. you can see why i'd be confused that coins were coming from/going to some address other than the one i was expecting
1134 2013-03-27 15:22:24 <sipa> the wallet client typically does a good job of hiding the complexity behind the scenes
1135 2013-03-27 15:22:36 <sipa> but this also causes people to make incorrect assumptions about how it works
1136 2013-03-27 15:22:51 <petey1> i incorrectly assumed
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1138 2013-03-27 15:23:45 <petey1> i guess as long as i have my wallet and know who i'm sending to, i shouldn't be worried about anyone "hacking" my addresses unless somehow they got a hold of my wallet file
1139 2013-03-27 15:28:17 <abadr> I've noticed that the raw-transaction 'vin' field doesn't say which address signed for the input. In the multisig case, how can I tell which address it was?
1140 2013-03-27 15:30:00 <rdponticelli> abadr: There's no "from" addresses in bitcoin
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1142 2013-03-27 15:31:45 <sipa> well, that's the typical answer for people who want to know where a transaction came from
1143 2013-03-27 15:32:16 <sipa> but it is true that given that you know a prevout was a certain script type, it makes sense to ask what signed it
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1145 2013-03-27 15:33:41 <[Tycho]> Sadly at this moment there are no other ways of securely send funds :(
1146 2013-03-27 15:33:41 <rdponticelli> Well, you can allways get the previous raw transaction
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1148 2013-03-27 15:34:08 <Billdr> haha
1149 2013-03-27 15:34:25 <Billdr> sorry, reacting to that quit in the wrong channel.
1150 2013-03-27 15:34:42 <abadr> rdponticelli: yes, but if the corresponding output of the previous raw transaction has multiple 'addresses' in 'scriptPubKey', it could have been any of them, right?
1151 2013-03-27 15:34:48 <Luke-Jr> [Tycho]: ?
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1153 2013-03-27 15:35:18 <abadr> sipa: can you expand on "certain script type"?
1154 2013-03-27 15:35:22 <[Tycho]> Luke-Jr: i'm talking about strange transactions.
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1162 2013-03-27 15:39:13 <sipa> abadr: imagine someone writes an own cryptographic signing inside the bitcoin script language (that's probably impossible right now, but just assume)
1163 2013-03-27 15:39:34 <sipa> abadr: and he creates a transaction using that
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1167 2013-03-27 15:40:42 <sipa> abadr: and then sends it to you
1168 2013-03-27 15:41:10 <sipa> abadr: if you then ask 'what address did this transaction come from', there is no answer, as whatever he used, it doesn't fit in the notion of address we have
1169 2013-03-27 15:41:39 <sipa> abadr: however, if you're talking about a transaction that you already know is multisig of a specific structure, you can indeed ask that question
1170 2013-03-27 15:42:16 <sipa> as you're not talking about 'where does this random transaction come from', but 'what key signed this, out of the N possibilities'
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1177 2013-03-27 15:44:48 <abadr> ok. more to learn.
1178 2013-03-27 15:45:03 <abadr> thanks :)
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1181 2013-03-27 15:45:56 <sipa> abadr: anyway, i'm just saying that your question makes sense (compared to the frequently-occurring question "how do i find the 'from' address of a transaction"), but unfortunately the only way is to decode it manually
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1184 2013-03-27 15:46:36 * gmaxwell wakes up to a present
1185 2013-03-27 15:46:38 <gmaxwell> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
1186 2013-03-27 15:46:38 <gmaxwell> [Switching to Thread 0x7fffbf7fe700 (LWP 6324)]
1187 2013-03-27 15:46:38 <gmaxwell> ProcessMessages (pfrom=0x7fffb0007140) at main.cpp:3747
1188 2013-03-27 15:46:38 <gmaxwell> 3747 if (!msg.complete())
1189 2013-03-27 15:46:48 <iwilcox> Oh, that kind of present.
1190 2013-03-27 15:47:13 <gmaxwell> oh not that much of one.. I'd forgotten to do an unoptimized build
1191 2013-03-27 15:47:20 <Luke-Jr> I'm not the only one who runs bitcoin in gdb all the time? :o
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1194 2013-03-27 15:48:52 <helo> i just started :)
1195 2013-03-27 15:48:59 <BlueMatt> Luke-Jr: nope, here too
1196 2013-03-27 15:49:21 <gmaxwell> ah
1197 2013-03-27 15:49:22 <gmaxwell> (gdb) p pfrom->vRecvMsg
1198 2013-03-27 15:49:22 <gmaxwell> $4 = std::deque with 0 elements
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1207 2013-03-27 15:53:19 <sipa> gmaxwell: yeah, my assumption is that somehow vRecvMsg is modified while ProcessMessages is still iterating over it
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1210 2013-03-27 15:53:47 <sipa> but i don't see how that can happen
1211 2013-03-27 15:55:02 <denisx> big article in germanies biggest online newssite: http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzpolitik/virtuelle-waehrung-bitcoin-auf-rekordhoch-a-891169.html
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1213 2013-03-27 15:56:24 <gmaxwell> sipa: the iterator is ending up with a null pointer, unfortunately because I was compiled with optimizations its hard to tell more.
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1218 2013-03-27 15:57:33 <skinnkavaj> i forgot to include transaction fee, can anyone help me?
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1220 2013-03-27 15:57:52 <TD> there seems to be quite a few peers that are under a lot of load at the moment
1221 2013-03-27 15:58:03 <TD> it's taking forever to get 4 peers connected when selecting from the dns seeds
1222 2013-03-27 15:58:12 <Luke-Jr> skinnkavaj: elaborate?
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1224 2013-03-27 15:58:43 <skinnkavaj> Luke-Jr: ahh nevermind apperently i got some confirmations now
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1226 2013-03-27 15:58:45 <sipa> gmaxwell: won't help much, i think- it's clearly a corruption isue
1227 2013-03-27 15:59:01 <sipa> gmaxwell: and the code there is valid, absent any concurrent modifications
1228 2013-03-27 15:59:33 <Luke-Jr> FWIW, seems a 6-deep max-txid reorg test consumes 3 GB of space with a real on-disk db
1229 2013-03-27 15:59:50 <Luke-Jr> so I'm guessing I should just keep it as an isolated branch, and not try to merge it to the main test
1230 2013-03-27 16:00:03 <sipa> 3 GB, wtf?
1231 2013-03-27 16:00:11 <sipa> measured how?
1232 2013-03-27 16:00:33 <Luke-Jr> -rw-r--r-- 1 luke-jr luke-jr 810M Mar 27 05:17 blk0001.dat
1233 2013-03-27 16:00:35 <Luke-Jr> -rw-r----- 1 luke-jr luke-jr 2.1G Mar 27 05:27 blkindex.dat
1234 2013-03-27 16:00:36 <Luke-Jr> du
1235 2013-03-27 16:00:44 <Diablo-D3> OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAAAAND
1236 2013-03-27 16:00:50 <sipa> oh, ok
1237 2013-03-27 16:01:00 <sipa> i thought you were talking about memory usage during the reorg
1238 2013-03-27 16:01:07 <Luke-Jr> ah, no
1239 2013-03-27 16:01:18 <Luke-Jr> I probably should measure that though
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1241 2013-03-27 16:01:34 <Luke-Jr> what's a good way to get <max memory needed at any point of a process's lifetime>?
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1243 2013-03-27 16:05:49 <kermit_> jgarzik hi, are you there?
1244 2013-03-27 16:08:33 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: massif will record that... though perhaps there is a cheaper way.
1245 2013-03-27 16:10:19 <Optimus-Prime> Can someone briefly explain to me simply why satoshi can't use a lower # of confirmations
1246 2013-03-27 16:10:22 <Optimus-Prime> is it due to double spending?
1247 2013-03-27 16:11:13 <gmaxwell> Optimus-Prime: This really should be asked in #bitcoin. If you'd like to ask there I'd be happy to answer.
1248 2013-03-27 16:11:31 <Luke-Jr> Optimus-Prime: until 6 confirms, it's possible someone might double-spend
1249 2013-03-27 16:11:34 <Optimus-Prime> alright thanks, one more question I have sort of dumb
1250 2013-03-27 16:11:39 <Optimus-Prime> how do you reply like that so the name is bold
1251 2013-03-27 16:11:49 <Optimus-Prime> new to irc'
1252 2013-03-27 16:11:50 <Luke-Jr> Optimus-Prime: that's waaaaaay off-topic ;)
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1254 2013-03-27 16:11:59 <kermit_> jgarzik, i pm-ed you
1255 2013-03-27 16:12:04 <gmaxwell> Optimus-Prime: it's just bold because I began with your name.
1256 2013-03-27 16:12:15 <Optimus-Prime> oh lol =0
1257 2013-03-27 16:12:16 <Optimus-Prime> thanks
1258 2013-03-27 16:12:59 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: even at 6 confirms it's "possible" just unlikely. But, for example, someone who has commendeered 40% hashpower can produce six confirm long reversals with 50% success rate.
1259 2013-03-27 16:13:32 <Luke-Jr> wait, it's that easy? :O
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1261 2013-03-27 16:14:16 <Optimus-Prime> appreciate the help, thanks
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1263 2013-03-27 16:16:47 <SomeoneWeird> god
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1274 2013-03-27 16:23:13 <TD> ;;blocks
1275 2013-03-27 16:23:13 <gribble> 228264
1276 2013-03-27 16:23:59 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: Yes. with 40% hashpower it is... https://people.xiph.org/~greg/attack.c $ gcc -O2 -Wall -o attack ./attack.c -lm ; ./attack .4 6 AttackerSuccessProbability(0.4,6)=0.50398
1277 2013-03-27 16:24:20 <Luke-Jr> that's kinda scaryu
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1279 2013-03-27 16:26:00 <SomeoneWeird> god
1280 2013-03-27 16:26:26 <gdbz> yo
1281 2013-03-27 16:26:35 <SomeoneWeird> that maths is weird so i'm just going to trust you
1282 2013-03-27 16:26:35 <SomeoneWeird> :P
1283 2013-03-27 16:26:37 <gmaxwell> this is why I bludgeon people who keep using the number 51 as though it were completely magical. A majority is only magical because thats where the probablity becomes 1 if the attack runs forever.
1284 2013-03-27 16:27:38 <SomeoneWeird> ahh yeah
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1286 2013-03-27 16:27:56 <gmaxwell> But really, moderate length attacks that take two hours and have high success are at lot more interesting than large attacks that take forever. :P
1287 2013-03-27 16:28:43 <Scrat> how easily can a big pool operator initiate such an attack?
1288 2013-03-27 16:30:13 <helo> so beware assuming six confirms is sufficient when receiving huge amounts from anyone with ties to a huge miner?
1289 2013-03-27 16:30:30 <SomeoneWeird> helo, probably slightly moreso
1290 2013-03-27 16:30:32 <gmaxwell> s/operator/hacker/ an operator is probably not going to do that, it would compromise their nice 3% of 40% hashpower revenue stream ($103k/month at current market price) and perhaps get them lynched.
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1292 2013-03-27 16:31:49 <helo> ConfirmsRequiredForConfidence(desiredconfidence = 0.999, hashproportion = 0.40) ftw
1293 2013-03-27 16:33:20 <rdponticelli> Well, a hacker story can bring some plausible deniality to a weak pool operator...
1294 2013-03-27 16:33:31 <helo> (i.e. iterating AttackerSuccessProbability ftw)
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1297 2013-03-27 16:34:18 <gmaxwell> Scrat: but someone who compromised such a pool could perform such an attack by making a transaction and once it confirms making a for or so line patch to bitcoind. to reject the block in question (1 line), and not announce their chain until they were ahead. Then they'd reindex their node and give it a conflicting transaction with a nice fee. The difficulty comes mostly from getting the access in the first place, â also in finding a ...
1298 2013-03-27 16:34:24 <gmaxwell> ... good victim.
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1300 2013-03-27 16:34:47 <gmaxwell> s/s for/a four/
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1302 2013-03-27 16:35:28 <Scrat> gmaxwell: you made my head hurt
1303 2013-03-27 16:37:00 <rdponticelli> Sorry guys, i didn't want to spend all your money twice, I just got hacked...
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1310 2013-03-27 16:44:29 <v3ry3l33t3> no new blocks in 45 minutes, is that ok?
1311 2013-03-27 16:44:41 <sipa> ;;bc,tblb
1312 2013-03-27 16:44:42 <gribble> Error: There's really no reason why you should have underscores or brackets in your mathematical expression. Please remove them.
1313 2013-03-27 16:44:45 <sipa> ;;bc,tblb 45m
1314 2013-03-27 16:44:46 <gribble> 16 hours, 57 minutes, and 10 seconds
1315 2013-03-27 16:44:57 <sipa> yup, happens more than once a day
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1319 2013-03-27 16:45:42 <Diablo-D3> http://venturebeat.com/2013/03/27/bitcoin-expensify/
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1322 2013-03-27 16:48:16 <deego> I have two transactions that haven't picked up (0 confirmations) in 12+ hours while newer ones have gone through. Is that normal, or should I be concerned about db corruption, etc.? 0.7.2
1323 2013-03-27 16:48:27 <deego> Each had a fee as well.
1324 2013-03-27 16:49:30 <TD> well, it's not a great idea to be on 0.7.2 at this point, you need to upgrade. but that is probably not the cause of the non confirming tx
1325 2013-03-27 16:50:03 <Luke-Jr> TD: well, there is no 0.7.x upgrade path yet either :p
1326 2013-03-27 16:50:23 <Luke-Jr> hopefully I'll get that finished before BFL pings me
1327 2013-03-27 16:50:45 <TD> deego, if it's any consolation, there seems to be ~2mb of unconfirmed txns right now :(
1328 2013-03-27 16:50:51 <TD> Luke-Jr: upgrade path to what?
1329 2013-03-27 16:50:53 <v3ry3l33t3> deego throw a hash or two, just to see how it looks :P
1330 2013-03-27 16:51:05 <Luke-Jr> TD: across the hardfork
1331 2013-03-27 16:51:18 <TD> i meant he should upgrade to 0.8.1
1332 2013-03-27 16:51:18 <jouke> deego: do you know if other nodes has seen them?
1333 2013-03-27 16:51:35 <jouke> bc.info for example
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1335 2013-03-27 16:52:36 <bitnumus> who can be bothered to explain quickly the reason some blocks take 3minutes and others 60 ?
1336 2013-03-27 16:53:01 <sipa> bitnumus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_distribution :)
1337 2013-03-27 16:53:09 <v3ry3l33t3> bitnumus, someone's asic cluster has hung :))
1338 2013-03-27 16:53:23 <v3ry3l33t3> j/k
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1341 2013-03-27 16:53:52 <denisx> blockchain.info lists 101 total fees for all unconfirmed transactions right now
1342 2013-03-27 16:53:52 <bitnumus> sipa, without confusing myself further :) whats the maximum block time ?
1343 2013-03-27 16:54:06 <bitnumus> wow.
1344 2013-03-27 16:54:19 <Luke-Jr> bitnumus: nodes won't accept block times more than 2 hours into the future
1345 2013-03-27 16:54:29 <Luke-Jr> denisx: 101 BTC?
1346 2013-03-27 16:54:33 <denisx> yes
1347 2013-03-27 16:54:35 <Scrat> bitnumus: there is a (small) chance that no block will ever be mined in the next 10 years
1348 2013-03-27 16:54:38 <TD> bitnumus: it's to do with probability theory
1349 2013-03-27 16:55:01 <Luke-Jr> lol, I totally interpreted bitnumus's question wrong XD
1350 2013-03-27 16:55:22 <bitnumus> jesus, is that not worrying? (Scrat)
1351 2013-03-27 16:55:49 <Luke-Jr> bitnumus: it's more likely that the Sun explodes and kills us all
1352 2013-03-27 16:55:52 <Scrat> as worrying as someone generating the same private key as yours - not very probable
1353 2013-03-27 16:55:58 <bitnumus> Luke-Jr, it could happen though.
1354 2013-03-27 16:56:01 <bitnumus> :P
1355 2013-03-27 16:56:14 <Luke-Jr> bitnumus: my point is we have more immediate scary things to worry about
1356 2013-03-27 16:56:28 <Luke-Jr> plus, bitcoin breaks if it takes more than a few days
1357 2013-03-27 16:56:35 <Luke-Jr> so if that happened, we'd need to fix the clients
1358 2013-03-27 16:56:40 <bitnumus> lol
1359 2013-03-27 16:56:51 <bitnumus> something that isnt worth thinking about until it happens then ?
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1361 2013-03-27 16:57:02 <sipa> bitnumus: it's astronomically unlikely
1362 2013-03-27 16:57:02 <bitnumus> being that the probability is so low
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1364 2013-03-27 16:57:05 <Scrat> ;;bc,tblb 10y
1365 2013-03-27 16:57:06 <gribble> Error: float division
1366 2013-03-27 16:57:18 <Scrat> ;;bc,tblb 10d
1367 2013-03-27 16:57:19 <Luke-Jr> ;;bc,tblb
1368 2013-03-27 16:57:20 <gribble> Error: float division
1369 2013-03-27 16:57:21 <gribble> Error: There's really no reason why you should have underscores or brackets in your mathematical expression. Please remove them.
1370 2013-03-27 16:57:27 <Luke-Jr> â¦
1371 2013-03-27 16:57:30 <Luke-Jr> ;;help bc,tblb
1372 2013-03-27 16:57:31 <gribble> (bc,tblb <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "time elapsed [calc (([bc,diff] * 2**48 / 65535) / ([bc,nethash] * 1000000000) / (1 - [bc,prob [calc [bc,nethash]*1000000] $*]))]".
1373 2013-03-27 16:57:33 <sipa> ;;bc,tblb 10h
1374 2013-03-27 16:57:35 <gribble> Error: float division
1375 2013-03-27 16:57:36 <bitnumus> quickstat on the longest ever block?
1376 2013-03-27 16:57:39 <sipa> ;;bc,tblb 5h
1377 2013-03-27 16:57:39 <Luke-Jr> ;;bc,tblb 1
1378 2013-03-27 16:57:40 <gribble> Error: There's really no reason why you should have underscores or brackets in your mathematical expression. Please remove them.
1379 2013-03-27 16:57:42 <gribble> Error: float division
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1381 2013-03-27 16:57:46 <Luke-Jr> it's b0rked
1382 2013-03-27 16:57:46 <sipa> ;;bc,tblb 2h
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1384 2013-03-27 16:57:49 <gribble> 4 years, 28 weeks, 1 day, 7 hours, and 2 seconds
1385 2013-03-27 16:57:51 <bitnumus> totally borked
1386 2013-03-27 16:57:52 <sipa> ;;bc,tblb 3h
1387 2013-03-27 16:57:53 <gribble> 2256 years, 20 weeks, 4 days, 16 hours, 29 minutes, and 35 seconds
1388 2013-03-27 16:58:10 <bitnumus> ;;bc,tblb 1h
1389 2013-03-27 16:58:11 <gribble> 3 days, 8 hours, 2 minutes, and 30 seconds
1390 2013-03-27 16:58:17 <sipa> no, it just can't deal with astronomicality :p
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1392 2013-03-27 16:58:26 <Scrat> 64 bit float precision too low
1393 2013-03-27 16:58:32 <bitnumus> well i got unlikely then if its once every 3 days
1394 2013-03-27 16:58:58 <Luke-Jr> ;;bc,tblb 24h
1395 2013-03-27 16:58:59 <gribble> Error: float division
1396 2013-03-27 16:59:10 <v3ry3l33t3> so if it's longer than 3 hours, we should start to worry? :D
1397 2013-03-27 16:59:10 <Luke-Jr> ;;bc,tblb 4h
1398 2013-03-27 16:59:11 <gribble> 1149212 years, 20 weeks, 4 days, 23 hours, 38 minutes, and 20 seconds
1399 2013-03-27 16:59:37 <bitnumus> v3ry3l33t3, i think we can worry @ 2.5hours :)
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1401 2013-03-27 17:00:09 <bitnumus> im worrying right now actually
1402 2013-03-27 17:00:45 <Luke-Jr> ;;bc,tblb 2.5h
1403 2013-03-27 17:00:46 <gribble> Error: '2.5h' is not a valid argument.
1404 2013-03-27 17:00:57 <Luke-Jr> ;;bc,tblb 180m
1405 2013-03-27 17:00:58 <gribble> 2256 years, 20 weeks, 4 days, 16 hours, 29 minutes, and 35 seconds
1406 2013-03-27 17:01:08 <Luke-Jr> ;;bc,tblb 150m
1407 2013-03-27 17:01:09 <gribble> 101 years, 11 weeks, 2 days, 4 hours, 27 minutes, and 41 seconds
1408 2013-03-27 17:01:12 <v3ry3l33t3> ;;bc,tblb 62m
1409 2013-03-27 17:01:13 <gribble> 4 days, 2 hours, 26 minutes, and 41 seconds
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1412 2013-03-27 17:01:37 <bitnumus> lol
1413 2013-03-27 17:01:50 <bitnumus> there was a 74 the other week i think
1414 2013-03-27 17:01:57 <bitnumus> does anyone know the longest block time by chance?
1415 2013-03-27 17:02:01 <v3ry3l33t3> ;;bc,tblb 74m
1416 2013-03-27 17:02:02 <gribble> 2 weeks, 0 days, 4 hours, 45 minutes, and 45 seconds
1417 2013-03-27 17:02:15 <sipa> note that tblb uses the current hashrate and difficulty
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1419 2013-03-27 17:02:19 <v3ry3l33t3> so you're probably right about the other week lol
1420 2013-03-27 17:02:26 <sipa> on different times, it will have different results
1421 2013-03-27 17:02:34 <bitnumus> im just an unlucky person then
1422 2013-03-27 17:02:36 <TD> yay, new block
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1425 2013-03-27 17:02:39 <bitnumus> or i use bitcoin too much :)
1426 2013-03-27 17:02:43 <TD> 1 hour == 1364 transactions
1427 2013-03-27 17:02:44 <bitnumus> YAY
1428 2013-03-27 17:02:47 <TD> found by btcguild
1429 2013-03-27 17:02:50 <v3ry3l33t3> ttl sent $ 4,144,190.50
1430 2013-03-27 17:02:53 <v3ry3l33t3> not bad
1431 2013-03-27 17:02:54 <bitnumus> do they keep fees?
1432 2013-03-27 17:02:56 <TD> just like the last 3 â¦.
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1434 2013-03-27 17:03:13 <TD> yeah about $100 in fees
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1436 2013-03-27 17:03:32 <v3ry3l33t3> TD how about 1000
1437 2013-03-27 17:03:50 <denisx> block is 462KB in size, BTCGuild likes to mine on the edge
1438 2013-03-27 17:03:53 <TD> 1000 what?
1439 2013-03-27 17:04:11 <v3ry3l33t3> ah, no, you're right, TD
1440 2013-03-27 17:04:15 <v3ry3l33t3> sry
1441 2013-03-27 17:04:21 <TD> and another!
1442 2013-03-27 17:04:23 * TD cheers
1443 2013-03-27 17:04:31 <TD> 251 txns that time
1444 2013-03-27 17:04:32 <sipa> go go ASICs
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1447 2013-03-27 17:05:34 <TD> hmm, some node is advertising a chain height of 288267
1448 2013-03-27 17:05:39 <sipa> ;;bc,blocks
1449 2013-03-27 17:05:40 <gribble> 228266
1450 2013-03-27 17:06:04 <TD> actually, n/m, i bet i know what that is. and it'd be an issue in my code.
1451 2013-03-27 17:06:08 <TD> ignore me
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1453 2013-03-27 17:06:22 <v3ry3l33t3> i wonder if it breaks those merchant sites that require payment in 'next 20 minutes'
1454 2013-03-27 17:06:22 <abadr> \/ignore TD
1455 2013-03-27 17:06:30 <bitnumus> ;;bc,tblb 5m
1456 2013-03-27 17:06:31 <gribble> 16 minutes and 14 seconds
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1458 2013-03-27 17:06:42 <sipa> v3ry3l33t3: they should receive the transaction immediately in any case
1459 2013-03-27 17:06:57 <sipa> if they depend on the transaction to confirm within that time, things will break
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1461 2013-03-27 17:08:00 <deego> TD: Thanks. jouke: let me go check.
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1464 2013-03-27 17:09:23 <bitnumus> probability of two 65min blocks? :P
1465 2013-03-27 17:09:33 <bitnumus> just multiply them ?
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1469 2013-03-27 17:10:15 <tcatm> saivann: ping
1470 2013-03-27 17:10:24 <sipa> the chance that two given consequetive blocks both take at least 65min each, is the square of the chance that one of them does, yes
1471 2013-03-27 17:11:24 <bitnumus> ;;calc [bc,tblb 65m * bc,tblb 65m]
1472 2013-03-27 17:11:25 <gribble> Error: There's really no reason why you should have underscores or brackets in your mathematical expression. Please remove them.
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1474 2013-03-27 17:11:41 <bitnumus> err
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1477 2013-03-27 17:12:17 <TD> when the megablock came in my memory usage jumped by 40 megs
1478 2013-03-27 17:12:25 <kjj> sipa: yes, but...
1479 2013-03-27 17:12:33 <TD> then about 10 minutes later it dropped by about 70 megs
1480 2013-03-27 17:12:34 <TD> hm, odd
1481 2013-03-27 17:12:46 <TD> i'd expect receiving a block to make memory usage go down, not up as the mempool shrinks
1482 2013-03-27 17:12:46 <deego> jouke: Ah, looks like bc has seen it, but with 0 confirmations there as well.
1483 2013-03-27 17:12:47 <yebyen> the megablock?
1484 2013-03-27 17:12:51 <TD> possibly some leveldb thing
1485 2013-03-27 17:12:52 <deego> them*
1486 2013-03-27 17:13:09 <TD> had to wait to be compacted out or something
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1489 2013-03-27 17:14:04 <sipa> TD: just the temporary memory needed to keep the block may cause extra allocations to happen, and afaik those don't get removed from RES until they are paged out
1490 2013-03-27 17:14:17 <TD> ok
1491 2013-03-27 17:14:18 <sipa> even though they were only used for a very short time
1492 2013-03-27 17:14:58 <saivann> tcatm : pong
1493 2013-03-27 17:15:23 <tcatm> saivann: Is there any magic necessary to make jekyll work without the .html suffix?
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1495 2013-03-27 17:16:06 <saivann> tcatm : I didn't find any way to do that with the webrick server (jekyll --server) that does not imply patching the server itself.. :/
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1497 2013-03-27 17:16:43 <tcatm> saivann: So how do you test the site locally?
1498 2013-03-27 17:17:17 <saivann> tcatm : I simply jekyll && rsync -> to a simple apache server
1499 2013-03-27 17:17:22 <tcatm> ah
1500 2013-03-27 17:17:53 <saivann> tcatm : I know its cumbersome, I would wish jekyll would allow more flexibility with url redirection..
1501 2013-03-27 17:18:16 <TD> jekyll is not very good, imho
1502 2013-03-27 17:18:32 <tcatm> It's easy to extent using plugins :)
1503 2013-03-27 17:18:49 <saivann> tcatm : You said you were working on CSS bootstrap? I stopped touching the CSS in case that it compliate things for you.
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1505 2013-03-27 17:18:57 <tcatm> saivann: yep
1506 2013-03-27 17:19:17 <saivann> tcatm : great
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1508 2013-03-27 17:20:01 <saivann> TD : For static content, I like jekyll pretty much.
1509 2013-03-27 17:20:18 <tcatm> saivann: WIP http://eu1.bitcoincharts.com/stuff/btcwip2.png
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1512 2013-03-27 17:20:44 <tcatm> works well on my nexus 4, too
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1514 2013-03-27 17:22:41 <saivann> tcatm : Interesting!
1515 2013-03-27 17:23:02 <tcatm> still pretty early work
1516 2013-03-27 17:23:13 <Luke-Jr> IMO, the only point to jekyll is that GitHub will automatically run it and stuff; but that hasn't worked for us in a long time
1517 2013-03-27 17:23:45 <tcatm> Yep. Github screwed up their hook API
1518 2013-03-27 17:23:49 <saivann> tcatm : Sure, but I link the "Bitcoin - how it works - vocabulary.." menu. And it solves the problem of the buttons getting out of the page.
1519 2013-03-27 17:23:58 <saivann> like*
1520 2013-03-27 17:24:01 <tcatm> Now jekyll just runs every 15 minutes.
1521 2013-03-27 17:24:24 <Luke-Jr> tcatm: well, the hook API would let us do basically anything with it.. I meant the internal jekyll integration github has, but doesn't support plugins
1522 2013-03-27 17:24:30 <saivann> Ha! That is what happened!
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1525 2013-03-27 17:25:09 <tcatm> Luke-Jr: Ah, That's why I set up a VM to render it and push the finished site back to github.
1526 2013-03-27 17:25:21 <Luke-Jr> right
1527 2013-03-27 17:26:11 <Luke-Jr> if it were me (which I'm glad it isn't), I'd be porting it to Perl :p
1528 2013-03-27 17:26:19 <saivann> :)
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1530 2013-03-27 17:26:48 <tcatm> I'm fine with anything that takes a git repo and outputs a static site.
1531 2013-03-27 17:27:26 <tcatm> A translation plugin would be nice.
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1534 2013-03-27 17:28:40 <saivann> tcatm : Yeah I tried to make things as much simple as I could while keeping this enough flexible, but maybe there is room for improvements.
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1543 2013-03-27 17:34:00 <saivann> tcatm : I see that "community" and "resources" are missing on your layout. Do you intend to put them back on the home page? jgerzik was disappointed that they ended up in seperate pages. And I think that overall, a lot of people think the home page needs improvements.
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1545 2013-03-27 17:34:24 <tcatm> saivann: Yes. They'll be on the frontpage.
1546 2013-03-27 17:34:43 <saivann> Good!
1547 2013-03-27 17:35:06 <holorga_> eefffkill
1548 2013-03-27 17:36:11 <saivann> I'm going back to work, just ping me for anything.
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1554 2013-03-27 17:41:13 <v3ry3l33t3> ;;bc,tblb 29m
1555 2013-03-27 17:41:15 <gribble> 3 hours, 13 minutes, and 14 seconds
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1557 2013-03-27 17:41:31 <v3ry3l33t3> ;;bc,tblb 30m
1558 2013-03-27 17:41:33 <gribble> 3 hours, 34 minutes, and 15 seconds
1559 2013-03-27 17:44:07 <sipa> ;;calc [bc,nethash / 2**48 * 65535 / bc,diff]
1560 2013-03-27 17:44:08 <gribble> 49465.6854201
1561 2013-03-27 17:44:57 <sipa> ;;calc [bc,nethash * 10**9 / 2**48 * 65535 / bc,diff]
1562 2013-03-27 17:44:58 <gribble> 49465.6854201
1563 2013-03-27 17:47:21 <gavinandresen> TD (and anybody else interested): I'm thinking of tweaking the payment request format, to include "how to hash the Payment message to compute the signature" in the pkiType string
1564 2013-03-27 17:47:58 <sipa> gavinandresen: hmm, use case?
1565 2013-03-27 17:48:09 <gavinandresen> TD: don't tell anybody, but I've been writing PHP code implementing payment requestsâ¦. and old versions of PHP don't support openssl_sign with SHA256 hashing
1566 2013-03-27 17:48:45 <gavinandresen> sipa: so use case is I'm using an old version of PHP and want to use x509+sha1 instead of x509+sha256
1567 2013-03-27 17:49:10 <gavinandresen> (I'm actually not using an old version, but it will be an issue for some people)
1568 2013-03-27 17:49:24 <tcatm> Which PHP versions are affected?
1569 2013-03-27 17:49:25 <sipa> seems that the decision about how to hash the document should be part of the PKI system anyway
1570 2013-03-27 17:49:44 <sipa> doesn't the certificate specify which signature schemes are valid?
1571 2013-03-27 17:50:05 <gavinandresen> sipa: sureâ¦. the change would be "pkiType = x509" becomes "pkiType = x509+<hashtype>"
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1573 2013-03-27 17:50:28 <TD> gavinandresen: can't we just tell them to upgrade php?
1574 2013-03-27 17:50:39 <TD> i thought sha1 is already obsolete
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1576 2013-03-27 17:51:29 <sipa> gavinandresen: no, i mean, why does the payment request get to specify which signatures are valid?
1577 2013-03-27 17:51:35 <gavinandresen> TD: if we want it to be painless to support the payment protocol, and support other hashing schemes in the future, it makes sense to do it now.
1578 2013-03-27 17:51:58 <sipa> anything the PKI system permits, should be fine, i'd think
1579 2013-03-27 17:52:03 <gavinandresen> sipa: because the certificate just contains a public key, it doesn't contain what signature or hashing algorithms you can use with it
1580 2013-03-27 17:52:22 <sipa> ok
1581 2013-03-27 17:54:04 <EPiSKiNG-> ;;tslb
1582 2013-03-27 17:54:07 <gribble> Time since last block: 42 minutes and 59 seconds
1583 2013-03-27 17:54:14 <gavinandresen> TD: "just upgrade" doesn't work if you don't control what version of PHP is running, and based on my experience working at a small local web development shop, that is pretty common.
1584 2013-03-27 17:54:57 <TD> yeah, i know that used to be pretty common, i thought the era of cheap VPSs had ended that problem though
1585 2013-03-27 17:55:01 <gavinandresen> TD: e.g. department at a Big Organization where there is One Officially Blessed version of PHP....
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1588 2013-03-27 17:55:41 <sipa> gavinandresen: i'm not sure about that crappy-PHP use case, but i generally don't see a problem with being more flexible in the support hash type
1589 2013-03-27 17:55:46 <TD> oh well, whatever. i suppose it's only a minor extra piece of complexity as long as the spec constrains what hash algos are in use
1590 2013-03-27 17:56:29 <gavinandresen> TD: yes-- I'd propose just SHA1 and SHA256, with SHA256 being recommended.
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1592 2013-03-27 17:56:38 <v3ry3l33t3> ;;bc,tblb 45m
1593 2013-03-27 17:56:39 <gribble> 16 hours, 47 minutes, and 28 seconds
1594 2013-03-27 17:56:39 <Scrat> doesn't the cert specify which hashing algo is used?
1595 2013-03-27 17:56:40 <TD> strange. today, memory usage on my node is low and stable
1596 2013-03-27 17:56:55 <TD> whereas i haven't changed anything since last time when it wasn't ....
1597 2013-03-27 17:57:02 <TD> Scrat: it does _for the certs themselves_
1598 2013-03-27 17:57:08 <TD> Scrat: not for the thing being signed
1599 2013-03-27 17:57:14 <gavinandresen> Scrat: I'll double check, but I don't think so. It specifies what hashing/signing algorithm to use to check the parent certificate's signature
1600 2013-03-27 17:58:41 <bitnumus> v3ry3l33t3, so thats a 65min block, 2 quick ones then a 45min so far?
1601 2013-03-27 17:58:47 <Scrat> ah, the hash of the payment request? (or page)
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1605 2013-03-27 17:59:25 <v3ry3l33t3> bitnumus, yup, pretty slow....
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1608 2013-03-27 18:00:39 <HM> why are blocks taking so long
1609 2013-03-27 18:01:06 <qdii> to be found?
1610 2013-03-27 18:01:10 <kermit_> MtGox cant handle the load
1611 2013-03-27 18:01:12 <v3ry3l33t3> 127 bucks in fees
1612 2013-03-27 18:01:24 <HM> qdii: yes
1613 2013-03-27 18:01:30 <HM> the odds of a 50 minute block must be small
1614 2013-03-27 18:01:39 <sipa> ;;tblb 50m
1615 2013-03-27 18:01:39 <gribble> Error: "tblb" is not a valid command.
1616 2013-03-27 18:01:44 <sipa> ;;bcmtblb 50m
1617 2013-03-27 18:01:44 <gribble> Error: "bcmtblb" is not a valid command.
1618 2013-03-27 18:01:46 <sipa> ;;bc,tblb 50m
1619 2013-03-27 18:01:49 <gribble> 1 day, 4 hours, 7 minutes, and 51 seconds
1620 2013-03-27 18:01:50 <v3ry3l33t3> so its even more fees than 65 min block
1621 2013-03-27 18:02:05 <HM> ah so there should be a 50 minute block every 1 day 4 hours?
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1623 2013-03-27 18:02:15 <sipa> correct - on average
1624 2013-03-27 18:02:20 <HM> of course
1625 2013-03-27 18:02:23 <sipa> at current hashrate and difficulty
1626 2013-03-27 18:02:28 <v3ry3l33t3> HM, in ideal mathematicians world :)
1627 2013-03-27 18:02:30 <HM> that's more often that i expected
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1629 2013-03-27 18:02:48 <Scrat> gavinandresen: php 5.4+ (when openssl_algo_sha256 was added) is used by 3.3% of websites atm, so you're right about that
1630 2013-03-27 18:02:56 <Scrat> very slow adoption
1631 2013-03-27 18:03:02 <kadoban> ;;bc,tblb 60m
1632 2013-03-27 18:03:04 <gribble> 3 days, 6 hours, 57 minutes, and 22 seconds
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1634 2013-03-27 18:03:11 <Scrat> that would be 3.3% of php websites that report version
1635 2013-03-27 18:03:36 <v3ry3l33t3> ;;bc,tblb 52m
1636 2013-03-27 18:03:37 <gribble> 1 day, 10 hours, 34 minutes, and 47 seconds
1637 2013-03-27 18:03:51 <gavinandresen> apparently php 5.3 has an undocumented option to specify the hash algorithm by string ⦠but that's just nasty
1638 2013-03-27 18:04:19 <gavinandresen> (and it is php 5.3.something, I don't remember the something)
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1651 2013-03-27 18:15:09 <TD> block times are very variable today
1652 2013-03-27 18:15:32 <TD> i wonder if someone is switching on/off large chunks of mining power (asicminer?)
1653 2013-03-27 18:15:43 <v3ry3l33t3> could it be a bad luck that i need 4 more confirmations? lol.
1654 2013-03-27 18:16:37 <v3ry3l33t3> and there goes another 65 minutes block
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1656 2013-03-27 18:16:44 <jaakkos> block again
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1658 2013-03-27 18:17:05 <jaakkos> i was thinking of asicminer too
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1662 2013-03-27 18:19:33 digitalmagus is now known as ASICminer
1663 2013-03-27 18:19:39 <ASICminer> If you can't beat them, join them... come over to the darkside.. Mwahahaha
1664 2013-03-27 18:19:42 ASICminer is now known as digitalmagus
1665 2013-03-27 18:19:50 <digitalmagus> :P
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1669 2013-03-27 18:21:53 <kakobrekla> hi, v8 asks for password when getting new addy via gui but not via debug console
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1671 2013-03-27 18:22:40 <Luke-Jr> kakobrekla: correct
1672 2013-03-27 18:22:52 <kakobrekla> intentional? :)
1673 2013-03-27 18:22:58 <Luke-Jr> yes
1674 2013-03-27 18:23:02 <kakobrekla> cause?
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1677 2013-03-27 18:23:54 <kakobrekla> double standards much?
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1679 2013-03-27 18:24:00 <Luke-Jr> kakobrekla: debug console != gui
1680 2013-03-27 18:24:13 <kakobrekla> oh i didnt know that sheesh
1681 2013-03-27 18:24:33 <kakobrekla> whats the point of having psswd in gui
1682 2013-03-27 18:24:44 <kakobrekla> if anyone can go around it
1683 2013-03-27 18:24:56 <kakobrekla> its stupid
1684 2013-03-27 18:25:02 <Luke-Jr> how do you intend to go around it?
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1686 2013-03-27 18:25:17 <kakobrekla> with 'getnewaddress'
1687 2013-03-27 18:25:23 <kakobrekla> in the debug window
1688 2013-03-27 18:25:30 <kakobrekla> of the qt
1689 2013-03-27 18:25:34 <Luke-Jr> that will just fail, if the wallet is locked
1690 2013-03-27 18:25:41 <kakobrekla> it will not fail
1691 2013-03-27 18:25:43 <kakobrekla> its locked
1692 2013-03-27 18:25:51 <Luke-Jr> it fails if it's locked
1693 2013-03-27 18:25:55 <kakobrekla> well it doesnt
1694 2013-03-27 18:25:57 <Luke-Jr> if it doesn't fail, then you unlocked it
1695 2013-03-27 18:26:03 <kakobrekla> i havent
1696 2013-03-27 18:26:41 <kakobrekla> thats why im here
1697 2013-03-27 18:27:01 <Luke-Jr> it's not possible for it to work with the wallet locked
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1701 2013-03-27 18:28:41 <kakobrekla> its what its doing
1702 2013-03-27 18:28:48 <kakobrekla> i ran a walletlock
1703 2013-03-27 18:28:51 <kakobrekla> then newaddy
1704 2013-03-27 18:28:54 <kakobrekla> and it werks
1705 2013-03-27 18:28:59 <kakobrekla> it should not
1706 2013-03-27 18:29:36 <CodeShark> we should just get rid of the timed wallet lock :p
1707 2013-03-27 18:30:00 <CodeShark> if the wallet is to be encrypted, then the RPC should require a decryption passphrase each time - and the UI should have an option to remember the passphrase
1708 2013-03-27 18:30:32 <kakobrekla> http://shrani.si/f/o/Fq/3a0F3UR9/screenshot-from-2013-03-.png
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1723 2013-03-27 18:38:31 <Happzz> can i force bitcoin-qt to use lower fee than it suggest by default?
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1734 2013-03-27 18:43:50 <rdponticelli> Happzz: You can edit the source, but you'll shoot yourself in the foot
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1736 2013-03-27 18:44:50 <Happzz> how so?
1737 2013-03-27 18:45:05 <Happzz> also what does settxfee do
1738 2013-03-27 18:45:32 <rdponticelli> kakobrekla: getnewaddress takes a key from the keypool
1739 2013-03-27 18:45:50 <kakobrekla> and "New address" does not?
1740 2013-03-27 18:45:58 <kakobrekla> in the gui
1741 2013-03-27 18:46:04 <rdponticelli> Happzz: Because other nodes won't relay a transaction with a fee too low
1742 2013-03-27 18:46:06 <kakobrekla> afaik it does too
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1745 2013-03-27 18:46:43 <ryan-c> rdponticelli: Isn't there at least one pool that will confirm no-fee transactions as long as they're valid?
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1747 2013-03-27 18:46:55 <rdponticelli> kakobrekla: The gui restores the keypool as soon as it issue you a new address
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1750 2013-03-27 18:47:21 <flound1129> any reason 4 blocks have been found since 2 transactions I did and neither have any confirmations yet?
1751 2013-03-27 18:47:31 <rdponticelli> ryan-c: It depends
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1755 2013-03-27 18:48:22 <rdponticelli> Yeah, you can send free transactions, but if the client is telling you to add a fee, chances are that it won't relay it otherwise
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1759 2013-03-27 18:50:28 <flound1129> one is a received transaction
1760 2013-03-27 18:50:34 <kakobrekla> rdponticelli, so it will work 100 times
1761 2013-03-27 18:50:35 <kakobrekla> then break
1762 2013-03-27 18:50:35 <flound1129> actually both are
1763 2013-03-27 18:50:36 <kakobrekla> ?
1764 2013-03-27 18:50:39 <flound1129> one from mtgox
1765 2013-03-27 18:50:43 <sipa> kakobrekla: indeed
1766 2013-03-27 18:50:44 <flound1129> one from another user
1767 2013-03-27 18:50:52 <kakobrekla> sipa aint that silly?
1768 2013-03-27 18:50:54 <flound1129> http://blockchain.info/address/16cAnkFb4EUkjPTBUJZCzGxtiubyRuYmhp
1769 2013-03-27 18:50:59 <sipa> kakobrekla: why?
1770 2013-03-27 18:51:04 <rdponticelli> kakobrekla: Yeah, unless you make your keypool bigger
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1772 2013-03-27 18:51:26 <takeyourhatoff> Is it possible to add fees to an existing transaction?
1773 2013-03-27 18:51:51 <kakobrekla> its doing one thing with different rules and implications
1774 2013-03-27 18:52:03 <rdponticelli> takeyourhatoff: Not yet
1775 2013-03-27 18:52:07 <kakobrekla> consistency and stuff
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1777 2013-03-27 18:52:30 <takeyourhatoff> rdponticelli: If I were to broadcast a TX and it does not get confirmed at all, is the money lost?
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1779 2013-03-27 18:52:38 <rdponticelli> kakobrekla: If you're using the rpc, you know bitcoin a little better than some gui user
1780 2013-03-27 18:53:06 <kakobrekla> you overestimate me and similiar
1781 2013-03-27 18:53:28 <rdponticelli> takeyourhatoff: No, if the client realyed it, it will eventually confirm
1782 2013-03-27 18:53:45 <kakobrekla> oh well at least i know whats happenin now
1783 2013-03-27 18:53:51 <takeyourhatoff> rdponticelli: If I send 1 satoshi with no fees, will it confirm, eventually?
1784 2013-03-27 18:54:02 <sipa> takeyourhatoff: it won't let you
1785 2013-03-27 18:54:17 <takeyourhatoff> sipa: raw broadcast
1786 2013-03-27 18:54:36 <sipa> takeyourhatoff: then you're on your own
1787 2013-03-27 18:54:49 <gmaxwell> takeyourhatoff: the peers you give it to will just drop it and ignore it.
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1790 2013-03-27 18:55:21 <kadoban> is there a simple formula somewhere to see what the official client will relay or not?
1791 2013-03-27 18:55:54 <takeyourhatoff> gmaxwell: so if it does not get relayed, you might be able to act as if it never happened, wipe you blockchain and get rid of any caches, reload private keys, you will be able to spend again?
1792 2013-03-27 18:56:31 <Happzz> should i upgrade to 0.8.1 if i don't mine?
1793 2013-03-27 18:56:43 <sipa> Happzz: from?
1794 2013-03-27 18:56:47 <Happzz> 0.8.0
1795 2013-03-27 18:57:05 <gmaxwell> takeyourhatoff: yes. s/blockchain/wallet/
1796 2013-03-27 18:57:07 <sipa> takeyourhatoff: yes, no need to wipe your blockchain though
1797 2013-03-27 18:57:19 <gmaxwell> it's your wallet that will remember the txn.
1798 2013-03-27 18:57:21 <takeyourhatoff> sipa: gmaxwell ah, because it was never put in there
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1800 2013-03-27 18:57:27 <takeyourhatoff> gmaxwell: ok
1801 2013-03-27 18:57:32 <flound1129> so if a transaction has 0 confirmations it's because fees weren't paid?
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1804 2013-03-27 18:57:35 <takeyourhatoff> just remember to back up the keys :-)
1805 2013-03-27 18:57:49 <takeyourhatoff> flound1129: not neciarrly
1806 2013-03-27 18:57:58 <flound1129> mt. gox doesn't give an option to pay fees when withdrawing
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1808 2013-03-27 18:58:10 <sipa> flound1129: eh, yes it does
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1811 2013-03-27 18:58:54 <flound1129> oh, it does
1812 2013-03-27 18:59:01 <flound1129> I can't remember whether I checked that though
1813 2013-03-27 18:59:12 <flound1129> I usually do
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1815 2013-03-27 18:59:36 <graingert> BlueMatt typo in the topic
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1817 2013-03-27 18:59:51 <BlueMatt> hmm?
1818 2013-03-27 18:59:56 <graingert> BlueMatt: s/Tell use what/Tell us what/
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1820 2013-03-27 18:59:59 <BlueMatt> ahh
1821 2013-03-27 19:00:13 <graingert> :D
1822 2013-03-27 19:00:24 <BlueMatt> thanks
1823 2013-03-27 19:00:25 <graingert> np
1824 2013-03-27 19:00:40 <graingert> 1BtRY3CuAj8999SCdXr5mbyfdf3DH2ZPyK
1825 2013-03-27 19:00:51 <> Clown|!~clown@static-87-79-93-140.netcologne.de|lol
1826 2013-03-27 19:00:55 <graingert> >.>
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1829 2013-03-27 19:01:15 <Happzz> sipa?
1830 2013-03-27 19:01:26 <sipa> Happzz: not really
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1832 2013-03-27 19:02:00 <Happzz> k.
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1869 2013-03-27 19:24:42 <flound1129> so, it seems my transactions meet the rules for fee-free
1870 2013-03-27 19:24:49 <flound1129> so still not sure why they are not confriming
1871 2013-03-27 19:25:15 <flound1129> http://blockchain.info/tx/85ac087516ac110f88e2195170324859c7faf955a5ae5f8301f36de670a67f31/0
1872 2013-03-27 19:25:25 <sipa> there are just many of them
1873 2013-03-27 19:26:04 <flound1129> too many transactions?
1874 2013-03-27 19:26:30 <Luke-Jr> flound1129: fee-free does not mean priority
1875 2013-03-27 19:26:49 <flound1129> right, but they'll eventually get confirmed right?
1876 2013-03-27 19:26:54 <Luke-Jr> should
1877 2013-03-27 19:27:09 <flound1129> I mean, I did a bunch of transactions yesterday and none of them had this porblem
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1937 2013-03-27 20:08:53 <bernard75> http://blockchain.info/en/unconfirmed-transactions
1938 2013-03-27 20:09:01 <bernard75> whats up with that?
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1940 2013-03-27 20:09:24 <bernard75> stopped processing ~15.00gmt
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1942 2013-03-27 20:09:48 <sipa> ?
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1944 2013-03-27 20:10:43 <bernard75> too late, it "processed" all at once
1945 2013-03-27 20:10:52 <bernard75> at least thats what i heard
1946 2013-03-27 20:11:03 <sipa> i have no idea what you mean
1947 2013-03-27 20:11:39 <bernard75> there wer 3000+ unconfirmed transactions
1948 2013-03-27 20:11:49 <TD> bernard75: try pressing refresh a few times
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1959 2013-03-27 20:22:34 <flound1129> how did block #22875 get solved before 22874?
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1961 2013-03-27 20:23:53 <kjj> magic
1962 2013-03-27 20:24:47 <tockitj> is software going to be updated to 1.0 before BTC reaches $1.000 ? (:
1963 2013-03-27 20:24:47 <sipa> flound1129: it didn't
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1965 2013-03-27 20:25:13 <sipa> flound1129: the timestamp was just lower
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1973 2013-03-27 20:30:14 <Jamesonwa> ;;tslb
1974 2013-03-27 20:30:17 <gribble> Time since last block: 12 minutes and 56 seconds
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1985 2013-03-27 20:43:01 <joelsw> Hi everybody
1986 2013-03-27 20:43:17 tyn has joined
1987 2013-03-27 20:43:30 <joelsw> I had a technical question about bitcoin. Its something that interests me a lot.
1988 2013-03-27 20:43:57 <sivu> the question interests you or bitcoin
1989 2013-03-27 20:44:09 <sipa> you won't get an answer if you don't ask the question :)
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1991 2013-03-27 20:44:58 <joelsw> Am i right in saying that given the max block size, when the volume of transactions per 10 minutes goes above 1mb, there are going to be an increasing number of transactions that are not included in each block
1992 2013-03-27 20:45:06 <joelsw> ?
1993 2013-03-27 20:45:10 <sipa> correct
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1995 2013-03-27 20:45:40 <joelsw> Ok
1996 2013-03-27 20:46:03 <mojod> i'm trying to build bitcoind to run headless and am stuck. i am running CentOS can someone please look at this http://pastebin.com/rD1pXFzU and tell me what dependency i have failed to resolve?
1997 2013-03-27 20:46:11 <joelsw> So if a change to the protocol is not made before this happens, it is going to cause bit problems in the network.
1998 2013-03-27 20:46:15 <joelsw> *big
1999 2013-03-27 20:46:26 <joelsw> (potentially)
2000 2013-03-27 20:46:32 <joelsw> At least difficulties
2001 2013-03-27 20:46:46 <sipa> mojod: centos's OpenSSL doesn't have EC
2002 2013-03-27 20:46:52 <sipa> mojod: you need a custom build
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2004 2013-03-27 20:47:25 <mojod> i'm not sure what that means, but i will investigate it. thank you.
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2006 2013-03-27 20:47:45 <RBecker> mojod: download the source, compile it yourself, etc etc
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2010 2013-03-27 20:58:40 <helo> mojod: the easiest way is probably to download the tarball, and use the pre-compiled binary (it is statically linked with ~everything you need)
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2025 2013-03-27 21:14:06 <skinnkavaj> Wtf
2026 2013-03-27 21:14:14 <mojod> I have a terrible feeling that after I resolve libssl its going to crap out on libdb, then libboost. i grabbed latest, unzipped, configure and waiting on make.
2027 2013-03-27 21:14:17 <skinnkavaj> I just sent a transaction from mtgox
2028 2013-03-27 21:14:25 <skinnkavaj> The transaction is under way, for your information, the transaction ID is:
2029 2013-03-27 21:14:25 <skinnkavaj> f9bc4709-547f-4355-99a8-8d61bc3c5881
2030 2013-03-27 21:14:36 <skinnkavaj> when i search for f9bc4709-547f-4355-99a8-8d61bc3c5881 on blockchain.info
2031 2013-03-27 21:14:37 <skinnkavaj> i get
2032 2013-03-27 21:14:41 <skinnkavaj> Unrecognized search pattern
2033 2013-03-27 21:14:47 <RBecker> take out the fashes
2034 2013-03-27 21:14:50 <RBecker> dashes*
2035 2013-03-27 21:15:10 <warren> mojod: which centos?
2036 2013-03-27 21:15:26 <sipa> skinnkavaj: that is mtgox's internal transaction id
2037 2013-03-27 21:15:27 <skinnkavaj> still not working?? :S
2038 2013-03-27 21:15:38 <skinnkavaj> sipa: i have always been able to search for transaction ids
2039 2013-03-27 21:15:38 <sipa> skinnkavaj: it's not the txid of the matching bitcoin transaction
2040 2013-03-27 21:15:39 <skinnkavaj> from mtgox
2041 2013-03-27 21:15:50 <skinnkavaj> at blockchain.info
2042 2013-03-27 21:15:57 <mojod> sorry warren, it's actually clearos. built with centos they say
2043 2013-03-27 21:16:07 <warren> mojod: 5 or 6?
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2045 2013-03-27 21:16:09 <mojod> 6
2046 2013-03-27 21:17:21 <warren> mojod: EL6 boost works just fine, you only need your own openssl build
2047 2013-03-27 21:17:40 <mojod> make install now
2048 2013-03-27 21:17:43 <warren> mojod: build it in your non-root user's home and static link it to your bitcoind so you don't need to install it anywhere.
2049 2013-03-27 21:18:05 <warren> mojod: try not to make install your own openssl over the RPM ...
2050 2013-03-27 21:18:16 <mojod> shit. too late
2051 2013-03-27 21:18:24 <warren> don't build things as root
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2055 2013-03-27 21:21:51 <Raccoon> 4 days till Easter, 5 days till April 1st. In honor of We Use Carrots, we need every bitcoin webmaster to s/bitcoin/carrot/ together.
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2057 2013-03-27 21:22:00 <Raccoon> Pass it on.
2058 2013-03-27 21:22:45 <Raccoon> You too, MagicalTux!
2059 2013-03-27 21:23:23 <Raccoon> and tcatm
2060 2013-03-27 21:23:37 <Raccoon> and nanotube
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2068 2013-03-27 21:31:25 <L34N3r> so what happens when the block chain gets too large to store locally
2069 2013-03-27 21:31:48 <sipa> then you stop storing it locally
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2071 2013-03-27 21:32:23 <_dr> unlikely to happen, storage capacity should be growing faster than the chain i think
2072 2013-03-27 21:32:33 <sipa> at some point, yes
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2074 2013-03-27 21:32:51 <sipa> right now, the chain certainly grows faster (relatively) then hard disks grow
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2076 2013-03-27 21:33:05 <L34N3r> are the clients capable of connecting to remote block chains ?
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2079 2013-03-27 21:33:20 <sipa> SPV clients just don't need the block chain at all
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2081 2013-03-27 21:34:06 <_dr> sipa: but doesn't the blockchain have a constant growth while storage space should grow (somewhat) exponentially?
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2085 2013-03-27 21:34:59 <sipa> _dr: yes, but even a linear function does grow faster than an exponential one, initially
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2090 2013-03-27 21:36:14 <_dr> yeah, i agree. of course, i could be wrong, and most certainly i am, since you folks have probable thought about this before, but i guess the half-life time of my computers is less that the time it'll take the blockchain to fill my disk :)
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2099 2013-03-27 21:37:17 <_dr> then again, as someone throwing my money at apple, the half-life time of my devices is rather short
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2102 2013-03-27 21:37:45 <sipa> haha
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2105 2013-03-27 21:38:11 <Killdozer> is there a way (even if with a fork or even external tool) to make bitcoind notify some other service on incoming transactions? so no polling should have to be done?
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2107 2013-03-27 21:38:37 <sipa> Killdozer: -walletnotify
2108 2013-03-27 21:40:09 <Killdozer> cool, seems to be it, thx
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2140 2013-03-27 21:56:56 <hardsoft> Hola habla español alguien?
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2147 2013-03-27 22:01:47 <topi`> oops. "error opening block database." , does it mean I have to re-download all blocks from the last snapshot (block 165000 or so?)
2148 2013-03-27 22:02:13 <topi`> too bad, i wanted to sell off some coins, but seems i won't be able to do it today
2149 2013-03-27 22:02:54 <sipa> topi`: which client version?
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2151 2013-03-27 22:03:28 <rdponticelli> hardsoft: En #bitcoin-ar
2152 2013-03-27 22:03:30 <topi`> 0.8.0
2153 2013-03-27 22:03:32 <topi`> Opening LevelDB in /Users/topi/Library/Application Support/Bitcoin/blocks/index
2154 2013-03-27 22:03:35 <topi`> Opened LevelDB successfully
2155 2013-03-27 22:03:37 <topi`> Opening LevelDB in /Users/topi/Library/Application Support/Bitcoin/chainstate
2156 2013-03-27 22:03:42 <topi`> so it seems it got stuck after the chainstate
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2159 2013-03-27 22:04:02 <sipa> topi`: start with -reindex
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2161 2013-03-27 22:04:24 <topi`> sipa: it still worked ok yesterday
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2163 2013-03-27 22:04:57 <topi`> but I did run out of battery, and no room for the sleepimage, so strange things are expected...
2164 2013-03-27 22:05:11 <sipa> sorry to hear that, even in that case it shouldn't corrupt things
2165 2013-03-27 22:05:21 <sipa> but in practice, not so much
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2167 2013-03-27 22:05:54 <topi`> I do have my encrypted wallet in several places
2168 2013-03-27 22:06:13 <topi`> after all, it's the pubkeys / privkeys that matter
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2173 2013-03-27 22:06:41 <topi`> hmm, "reindexing blocks on disk", this seems to happen pretty swiftly
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2175 2013-03-27 22:07:06 <topi`> btw, what's the encryption algo used for the wallet?
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2178 2013-03-27 22:07:33 <sipa> topi`: the first few 10000 blocks are very small
2179 2013-03-27 22:07:36 <topi`> I encrypted it with aes256 back in 2011 when there was no support for encrypted wallets in client
2180 2013-03-27 22:07:39 <sipa> aes256
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2182 2013-03-27 22:08:18 <topi`> had a small shell script that de/encrypted the wallet before/after bitcoind launch :)
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2184 2013-03-27 22:08:35 <topi`> and secure remove... :)
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2186 2013-03-27 22:11:13 <topi`> sipa: good work on the optimizations on SetBestChain, ProcessBlock and friends! it's now so much faster than back in 2011
2187 2013-03-27 22:11:37 <topi`> I'm at around 120000 now and it's going 100 blocks/sec
2188 2013-03-27 22:12:20 <lianj> gets slower at 130k
2189 2013-03-27 22:12:28 <sipa> and even slower at 160
2190 2013-03-27 22:12:34 <sipa> and much slower at 180
2191 2013-03-27 22:12:40 <lianj> way slower on 210
2192 2013-03-27 22:14:25 <topi`> what's the status currently? do we get lots of those big blocks that get close to 1MB limit?
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2194 2013-03-27 22:14:59 <sipa> no, there's a temporary limitation to 500kb
2195 2013-03-27 22:15:21 <topi`> what's the motivation behind that?
2196 2013-03-27 22:15:27 <sipa> preventing forks
2197 2013-03-27 22:15:39 <topi`> ah, so the issue is still not resolved yet?
2198 2013-03-27 22:15:53 <sipa> not until _everyone_ updates their nodes
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2200 2013-03-27 22:16:01 <topi`> I thought it was a bug/feature in BDB
2201 2013-03-27 22:16:05 <sipa> indeed
2202 2013-03-27 22:16:20 <sipa> well, actually in how we used BDB
2203 2013-03-27 22:16:22 <topi`> so you work around by reducing the block size?
2204 2013-03-27 22:16:29 <sipa> we have to
2205 2013-03-27 22:16:49 <gmaxwell> Last 100 blocks, median: 182200, mean: 191100, max: 499200, min: 1216
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2207 2013-03-27 22:17:11 <topi`> yeah, median size still well below
2208 2013-03-27 22:17:18 <gmaxwell> Yup.
2209 2013-03-27 22:17:39 <topi`> but probably we'll get plenty of new users from Cyprus now :)
2210 2013-03-27 22:17:53 <_dr> and the rest of europe soon
2211 2013-03-27 22:18:06 <lianj> think thats just a myth
2212 2013-03-27 22:18:12 <topi`> if they manage to ship the first bitcoin ATMs to the small island.
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2214 2013-03-27 22:18:45 <_dr> lianj: i think with the current policy of our political elite in europe it's inevitable :)
2215 2013-03-27 22:18:47 <topi`> I think a bitcoin ATM will go a long way in making it easier to acquire bitcoins (which has traditionally been a hurdle)
2216 2013-03-27 22:18:54 <_dr> but let's not start discussing boring stuff like that
2217 2013-03-27 22:19:36 <topi`> dr: yeah, the stuff about political elite was discussed already back in 2011, ad nauseum :)
2218 2013-03-27 22:19:37 <lianj> in a country where people dont get to their money you think they will take that little they get to buy bitcoins instead of buying food and paying rent with itâ¦
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2221 2013-03-27 22:20:21 <kfreds> Hi, I want to manipulate locktime and deserialize a hex encoded transaction, preferably using Python. I've tried using Gavin's bitcointools but I can't get it to work. Any advice?
2222 2013-03-27 22:20:45 <_dr> lianj: oh! you were refering to the cyprus users as myth! i thought you meant my remark about the rest of europe :)
2223 2013-03-27 22:21:00 <topi`> kfreds: what's the specific thing you can't get to work with Gavin's tools?
2224 2013-03-27 22:21:26 <petertodd> kfreds: Is this a one off or something you need to do often?
2225 2013-03-27 22:21:27 <topi`> deserializing a transaction sounds very, very trivial thing to do
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2229 2013-03-27 22:23:35 <kfreds> topi`: deserialize.deserialize_Transaction(tx)
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2233 2013-03-27 22:24:37 <weex> sipa: are the moving window estimates just averages or is it some kind of projection?
2234 2013-03-27 22:24:43 <weex> on your graphs i mean
2235 2013-03-27 22:25:00 <kfreds> petertodd: Often.
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2237 2013-03-27 22:25:17 <sipa> weex: at every point, they are a projection for that point in time, using data of its past
2238 2013-03-27 22:25:39 <weex> trying to generate something similar but only have diff to start http://litecoinscout.com/static/speedlin.png
2239 2013-03-27 22:25:54 <petertodd> kfreds: https://github.com/jgarzik/python-bitcoinlib <- jgarzik's bitcoinlib library - I'm working on making it more pythonic right now actually.
2240 2013-03-27 22:26:25 <weex> sipa: so it's not just an average of the past 7 days or whatever from that point?
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2242 2013-03-27 22:26:30 <sipa> weex: no
2243 2013-03-27 22:27:17 <sipa> weex: that would never give good results when the actual hashrate changes
2244 2013-03-27 22:27:35 <sipa> my algorithm tries to correct for the growth it observes during the window
2245 2013-03-27 22:27:46 <weex> oh
2246 2013-03-27 22:27:58 <weex> i always thought that was just the hashrate at that time
2247 2013-03-27 22:28:07 <weex> i see now though it's a diff esimate
2248 2013-03-27 22:28:13 <gmaxwell> ... the hashrate cannot be observed.
2249 2013-03-27 22:28:29 <gmaxwell> weex: it's a hashrate estimate at every time, with the actual diff also provided.
2250 2013-03-27 22:28:31 <weex> gmaxwell: i know, just estimated based on block finding time and diff
2251 2013-03-27 22:28:33 <kfreds> petertodd: Thanks. Is that preferable to gavins tools?
2252 2013-03-27 22:28:35 <CodeShark> it can be inferred indirectly
2253 2013-03-27 22:29:22 <weex> ok
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2257 2013-03-27 22:31:44 <petertodd> kfreds: My understanding is that gavin's tools were just preliminary things to staticly evaluate blocks, while jgarzik's library is intended to be more fully featured; he's already got a node implementation running with it although there are a number of bugs.
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2260 2013-03-27 22:32:47 <petertodd> kfreds: https://github.com/petertodd/python-bitcoinlib/tree/pythonize is my work in progress
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2262 2013-03-27 22:32:55 <topi`> petertodd: good to know there are some python hackers working on bitcoin :)
2263 2013-03-27 22:33:32 <topi`> petertodd: it would be an interesting exercise to e.g. do a python-only bitcoin node, with the perf-critical parts in Cython
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2266 2013-03-27 22:34:11 <petertodd> topi`: Actually I already gave a go at porting jgarzik's bitcoin library to Cython, but I found a compiler bug in it which kinda scared me off for now.
2267 2013-03-27 22:34:39 <topi`> interesting. well, Cython is still in the early 0.x stages.
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2269 2013-03-27 22:35:18 <topi`> I would expect a fair perf also by using Pypy
2270 2013-03-27 22:35:22 <petertodd> topi`: Cython's userbase is mostly science/math types, and they're not known for developing or requiring really robust software.
2271 2013-03-27 22:36:05 <petertodd> topi`: My view of Bitcoin is that the 1MB blocksize limit will stay, which in turn implies that effort spent really optimizing libraries for max performance is probably better spent elsewhere.
2272 2013-03-27 22:36:45 <topi`> well, how would you optimize the tx's then?
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2274 2013-03-27 22:37:32 <petertodd> topi`: Tx's get mostly done off-chain, and in turn those tx services are numereous, thus *their* code doesn't have to be ultra-high performance either.
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2276 2013-03-27 22:38:10 <topi`> I meant to squeeze all that into a 1 megabyte block.
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2279 2013-03-27 22:38:49 <lianj> petertodd: coin selection can be a performance issue when creating txs
2280 2013-03-27 22:39:13 <petertodd> topi`: Well that's exactly it: keep the core blockchain for high-value tx's and settlement between off-chain tx providers, thus the actual volume and performance demands stay low.
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2282 2013-03-27 22:39:30 <topi`> lianj: coin selection must be an O(n^2) problem?
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2284 2013-03-27 22:40:09 <topi`> petertodd: then, the txfee needs to be raised.
2285 2013-03-27 22:40:14 <petertodd> topi`: One really nasty thing about Bitcoin w/ large blocksizes is that even now performance problems have dangerous network forking risks, let alone when people are struggling to keep their nodes fast enough to keep up with whatever GB blocks.
2286 2013-03-27 22:40:41 <petertodd> topi`: Yup, but that happens naturally already. People need to understand that fees are a bidding process.
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2289 2013-03-27 22:40:52 <topi`> valid points, there must be some way to prune those satoshiDICE transactions...
2290 2013-03-27 22:41:37 <petertodd> topi`: Heh, well, as much as I think SD is abusive, I'm also happy to see that the fundemental censorship resistance of Bitcoin works, and SD hasn't been stopped by force.
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2294 2013-03-27 22:41:57 <topi`> maybe the tx cost should be inversely proportional to the age of the previous tx?
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2296 2013-03-27 22:42:27 <gmaxwell> petertodd: I don't think we've seen any example of censorship resistance workingâ as not non-trivial force is trying to stop it.
2297 2013-03-27 22:42:34 <topi`> petertodd: it cannot be anything about SD in particular, it has to be a "generic" medicine to all of its ilk
2298 2013-03-27 22:42:37 <gmaxwell> topi`: none of that makes economic sense.
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2300 2013-03-27 22:43:04 <gmaxwell> topi`: lets move this into #bitcoin, we don't need to rehash a bunch of old stuff here.
2301 2013-03-27 22:43:07 <petertodd> topi`: Miners have 1MB of blockspace to fill, why should they do anythign but optmize for profit?
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2303 2013-03-27 22:44:02 <noooob> i dont understand why Satoshi made the weakness of 50% atack.. it would feel better if the threshold was at 80-90%. any good answer?
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2305 2013-03-27 22:44:41 <gmaxwell> noooob: I suggest you study how the system works more and then meditate on that question some.
2306 2013-03-27 22:44:52 <topi`> noooob: he didnt make any weaknesses, it's just a statistical truth
2307 2013-03-27 22:44:54 <EasyAt> haha
2308 2013-03-27 22:45:01 <EasyAt> I think he is joking. erm I hope
2309 2013-03-27 22:45:17 <noooob> nope im a noob actually :)
2310 2013-03-27 22:45:18 <sipa> if he could have chosen the threshold, i surely hope he'd choose 100% :D
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2312 2013-03-27 22:45:50 <topi`> he could have chosen to write it in 100% pure haskell
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2314 2013-03-27 22:47:13 <Eneerge> lol
2315 2013-03-27 22:47:45 <Eneerge> "I'm going to make my software work 50% of the time only"
2316 2013-03-27 22:48:28 <noooob> its amazing bitcoin has not been hacked yet despite the 50% weakness.. it would only take 1000 ASICs to get 50% hashrate
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2318 2013-03-27 22:48:57 <Diablo-D3> "hacked"
2319 2013-03-27 22:49:06 <Diablo-D3> somebody doesn't understand how bitcoin works.
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2321 2013-03-27 22:49:40 <Wxll> i think remaining coins does not enable you to spend them..
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2331 2013-03-27 22:54:52 <noooob> so you are confident the network is unbreakable...
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2333 2013-03-27 22:55:26 <digitalmagus> noob, but it would take about $1-5 Million to create 1000 ASICS + 1 year of time.
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2336 2013-03-27 22:57:04 <noooob> 1 million dollars is nothing if you are Goldman Sachs and want to screw bitcoin
2337 2013-03-27 22:57:48 <Phraust> then why waste their time with ASICs when they could crush it with cash?
2338 2013-03-27 22:58:19 <sipa> noooob: i'm far from confident that the network is unbreakable - but i know it's very uneconomical to do so
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2340 2013-03-27 22:58:35 <TD> lol
2341 2013-03-27 22:58:40 <TD> goldman wouldn't want to crush bitcoin
2342 2013-03-27 22:58:42 <sipa> noooob: the systems relies on some assumptions, and those assumptions are as small as possible
2343 2013-03-27 22:58:44 <TD> they'd just want to make money off it
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2345 2013-03-27 22:59:02 <owowo> why bother about 900000000$ market cap, when they pay bonuses of 1000000000$+
2346 2013-03-27 22:59:02 <TD> they probably love bitcoin. huge volatility, a market full of non-professional investors -> profit!
2347 2013-03-27 22:59:04 <Phraust> exactly.
2348 2013-03-27 22:59:10 <warren> There is a much cheaper and faster attack than a bank making secret ASIC's.
2349 2013-03-27 22:59:25 <Wxll> probably using bit coin to wash some money for their clients LOL
2350 2013-03-27 22:59:31 <Wxll> GM
2351 2013-03-27 22:59:36 <Wxll> GS*
2352 2013-03-27 23:00:05 <warren> Cheapest attack = Centralized pools + http://xkcd.com/538/
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2356 2013-03-27 23:01:17 <noooob> Ok Dr Evil making secret ASICs ;)
2357 2013-03-27 23:01:40 <noooob> One trillion dollars or i shut down bitcoin!
2358 2013-03-27 23:03:00 <owowo> then join #bitcoin-troll
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