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  22 2013-04-06 00:41:24 <aceat64> I have to wonder if anyone uses the account system of bitcoind
  23 2013-04-06 00:41:55 <denisx> I do
  24 2013-04-06 00:43:41 <aceat64> it just seems so clunky
  25 2013-04-06 00:44:13 <denisx> with the commandline I can even pay from a specific account
  26 2013-04-06 00:44:30 <gmaxwell> I do. I like it for personal recordkeeping. It's not good for too much more than that due to backup issues.
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  28 2013-04-06 00:46:06 <gmaxwell> E.g. how do you make sure that your account data updates (moves, etc) are durable against server failure?
  29 2013-04-06 00:46:07 <aceat64> I'm working on a personal online wallet, and I'm debating if I want to deal with accounts or not
  30 2013-04-06 00:46:07 <gmaxwell> the only way to do that is to have an external database write ahead log all changes— and once you have that you might as well not use accounts.
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  66 2013-04-06 01:12:42 <GlitchNZ> is anyone here working on gavins payment protocol code?
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  75 2013-04-06 01:20:49 <sega01> hey!
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  77 2013-04-06 01:21:03 <sega01> i'm looking at https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Getwork#Protocol
  78 2013-04-06 01:21:15 <sega01> it says you need to swap the byte order on every 32bit chunk
  79 2013-04-06 01:22:33 <sega01> ah, hmm. i think i figured it out
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  86 2013-04-06 01:27:52 <[7]> hm, what's the easiest/quickest way to get the full block header of block 000000002076870fe65a2b6eeed84fa892c0db924f1482243a6247d931dcab32?
  87 2013-04-06 01:27:53 <[7]> (on testnet3)
  88 2013-04-06 01:27:55 <gmaxwell> ProfMac: I'm not aware of any pgp software that will do that. In general trust in the PGP WOT isn't considered transitive.
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  91 2013-04-06 01:28:00 <gmaxwell> (e.g. there is no way to distinguish in published signatures "I trust this key to be who it says it is" from "I trust this party to competent validate other keys")
  92 2013-04-06 01:28:00 <gmaxwell> s/competent/competently/
  93 2013-04-06 01:28:12 <Diablo-D3> http://i.imgur.com/lPIoVfs.png
  94 2013-04-06 01:28:43 <lianj> Diablo-D3: 1972 had nicer typography though
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  97 2013-04-06 01:28:55 <[7]> any idea how I can get that block header?
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  99 2013-04-06 01:29:01 <[7]> IIUC the endianness of the fields does *not* match with the representation here: http://blockexplorer.com/testnet/rawblock/0000000004ae623ee5643ca7479a1714d3b3d685f0343a120609ea13e8629867
 100 2013-04-06 01:29:01 <lianj> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Protocol_specification#getheaders
 101 2013-04-06 01:29:05 <Diablo-D3> [7]: try parsing it as little endian ints
 102 2013-04-06 01:29:07 <[7]> and what about the 256bit fields?
 103 2013-04-06 01:29:43 <[7]> lianj: does that mean that I have to write up a p2p protocol client to obtain a block header?
 104 2013-04-06 01:30:06 <lianj> depends, but no. explain what you want to do
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 106 2013-04-06 01:30:26 <sipa1024> can someone copy-paste me the last SetBestChain line he has in his debug.log?
 107 2013-04-06 01:30:39 <[7]> I just need the block header of that single block to figure out where a bug in a stratum implementation is
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 110 2013-04-06 01:31:25 <lianj> in binary?
 111 2013-04-06 01:31:25 <[7]> lianj: binary or hex
 112 2013-04-06 01:31:26 <[7]> sipa1024: SetBestChain: new best=000000000000009bfcff5b89d761ec2971810f459851e4fe0e126bc435f954eb  height=229878  work=962148242334774935060  tx=15605536  date=2013-04-06 00:24:07
 113 2013-04-06 01:31:40 <sipa1024> [7]: thanks!
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 115 2013-04-06 01:34:27 <lianj> [7]: 02000000cde88347dc71e1aee645441f83654f9b7ef853bfcb0ff68c7e29a77e00000000311a979c3def0ae31d34c1b2fcb7cc9abfecd6f7321bd4acbb6aaa1c2be679379f3e4f50afc42a1c0042a4a404
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 117 2013-04-06 01:34:33 <[7]> aha... so the version is backwards as well
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 119 2013-04-06 01:35:03 <sipa1024> everything is little-endian, except crypto stuff
 120 2013-04-06 01:35:04 <[7]> stratum passes the version as "00000002"
 121 2013-04-06 01:35:51 <sega01> are there any simple ways to add a new rpc user to bitcoin which is locked down to only one function, say getwork?
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 123 2013-04-06 01:36:10 <sega01> or would i need to write something that meshes between and restricts it, itself?
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 128 2013-04-06 01:38:08 <[7]> lianj: are you sure that this is the right block?
 129 2013-04-06 01:38:09 <[7]> the prevhash doesn't match
 130 2013-04-06 01:38:09 <[7]> how did you obtain that?
 131 2013-04-06 01:41:37 <[7]> maybe you picked that block from mainnet?
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 138 2013-04-06 01:56:42 <sega01> what is id for in getwork?
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 141 2013-04-06 01:58:57 <lianj> [7]: i took it from http://blockexplorer.com/testnet/rawblock/0000000004ae623ee5643ca7479a1714d3b3d685f0343a120609ea13e8629867
 142 2013-04-06 01:59:13 <sega01> ah, hmm. sounds like id is for connection tracking, if anything
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 144 2013-04-06 01:59:40 <[7]> that's another block - but how did you even get this data from that page?
 145 2013-04-06 01:59:44 <lianj> which block you want again?
 146 2013-04-06 02:00:01 <[7]> 000000002076870fe65a2b6eeed84fa892c0db924f1482243a6247d931dcab32 from tn3
 147 2013-04-06 02:00:05 <[7]> but thanks, I think I found the bug now
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 151 2013-04-06 02:00:18 <lianj> k
 152 2013-04-06 02:00:31 <lianj> [7]: btw, i just deserialized the blockexplorer json back to binary
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 154 2013-04-06 02:00:34 <[7]> something that one can't really do when one is unsure about endianness of various fields :)
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 156 2013-04-06 02:00:37 <lianj> [7]: ;)
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 168 2013-04-06 02:03:16 <gmaxwell> So I captures some of those vin failures
 169 2013-04-06 02:03:17 <gmaxwell> the hex of the whole transaction is ... 01000000000000000000
 170 2013-04-06 02:03:19 <sipa> do they come consistently from the same (set of) IPs?
 171 2013-04-06 02:03:23 <gmaxwell> In my case I'm getting them from an inbound onion peer, consistently the same peer
 172 2013-04-06 02:03:23 <gmaxwell> who is also flooding me with 2013-04-06 01:04:42 ERROR: CTxMemPool::accept() : inputs already spent
 173 2013-04-06 02:03:24 <sipa> and localhost doesn't get killed for DoS
 174 2013-04-06 02:03:27 <gmaxwell> $ grep '2013-04-06 01:04:41' ~/.bitcoin/debug.log | grep 'Warning: Local node 127.0.0.1:43105 misbehaving' | wc -l
 175 2013-04-06 02:03:27 <gmaxwell> 64
 176 2013-04-06 02:03:28 <gmaxwell> $ grep '2013-04-06 01:04:42' ~/.bitcoin/debug.log | grep 'Warning: Local node 127.0.0.1:43105 misbehaving' | wc -l
 177 2013-04-06 02:03:28 <gmaxwell> 33
 178 2013-04-06 02:03:29 <gmaxwell> those are _mostly_ input already spents.
 179 2013-04-06 02:03:30 <sipa> 9133 transactions with non-canonical signatures in the last 1339449
 180 2013-04-06 02:03:30 <gmaxwell> In any case, a sendrawtransaction 01000000000000000000  ... triggers the same failure at accept to mempool.
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 182 2013-04-06 02:03:31 <gmaxwell> Perhaps these are from something that has a courrupt wallet which is constantly reannouncing "01000000000000000000" ?
 183 2013-04-06 02:03:32 <gmaxwell> hm.. getpeerinfo on 127.0.0.1:43105 says:
 184 2013-04-06 02:03:32 <gmaxwell>         "version" : 70001,
 185 2013-04-06 02:03:32 <gmaxwell>         "subver" : "/Satoshi:0.8.1/",
 186 2013-04-06 02:03:32 <gmaxwell>         "inbound" : true,
 187 2013-04-06 02:03:32 <gmaxwell>         "startingheight" : 229873,
 188 2013-04-06 02:03:37 <sipa> doesn't mean it's a non-patched node
 189 2013-04-06 02:03:39 <gmaxwell> no, though we've had at two people that claimed to have it between their own nodes, who claimed they weren't patched.
 190 2013-04-06 02:03:54 <sipa> hmm
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 192 2013-04-06 02:03:58 <gmaxwell> hm.. putting in the hash of that transaction d21633ba23f70118185227be58a63527675641ad37967e2aa461559f577aec43 into google gets some results
 193 2013-04-06 02:04:00 <sipa> not if you add -blockchain
 194 2013-04-06 02:04:00 <gmaxwell> oh yea? :P
 195 2013-04-06 02:04:00 <gmaxwell> http://code.google.com/p/bitcoinj/issues/attachmentText?id=350&aid=3500001000&name=coinbase-tx-2.log&token=wsD6ZTnKn_8yeY_TLh0FDNORzHk%3A1363719034057
 196 2013-04-06 02:04:02 <gmaxwell> I cite: W/System.err(26246): 6842310 [New I/O worker #13] INFO com.google.bitcoin.core.MemoryPool - [95.27.142.162]:8333: Announced new transaction [1] d21633ba23f70118185227be58a63527675641ad37967e2aa461559f577aec43
 197 2013-04-06 02:04:03 <sipa> hah
 198 2013-04-06 02:04:05 <gmaxwell> ... does bitcoinj relay transactions?!
 199 2013-04-06 02:04:08 <sipa> perhaps when in full node mode?
 200 2013-04-06 02:04:14 <gmaxwell> I think thats actually an android wallet log
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 202 2013-04-06 02:04:15 <gmaxwell> doesn't explain why the peer is claiming to be 0.8.1 though or why we've had users report seeing it between nodes, but perhaps we have some bug causing us to relay it if we get it from peers?
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 205 2013-04-06 02:04:38 <gmaxwell> GlitchNZ: gavinandresen might be
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 209 2013-04-06 02:05:00 <gmaxwell> sega01: bitcoin getwork is nearly deprecated in any case, and is too slow for anything except testnet use.
 210 2013-04-06 02:05:12 <sipa> id?
 211 2013-04-06 02:05:17 <sipa> you mean in the JSON-RPC?
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 233 2013-04-06 02:11:54 <sega01> gmaxwell: how is it that getblocktemplate is faster?
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 236 2013-04-06 02:12:30 <sega01> sipa: yes, id which you can use in getwork. or i guess any call
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 241 2013-04-06 02:15:13 <sipa> sega01: it isn't, but you have to call it far less frequently
 242 2013-04-06 02:15:16 <sipa> as GBT allows you to build new work yourself
 243 2013-04-06 02:15:24 <sipa> yeah, that's part of the JSON-RPC protocol
 244 2013-04-06 02:15:29 <gmaxwell> sega01: all the modern poolserver software calls getblocktemplate and then makes its own work.
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 433 2013-04-06 04:34:36 <muhoo> sipa: 00000000000000167902bb6d9e1fbb837d98d976413270e72e7ff514772de37c ?
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 438 2013-04-06 04:35:43 <ProfMac> are the boot logs available in the filesystem in openWRT after boot up has finished?
 439 2013-04-06 04:36:01 <muhoo> ProfMac: wrong chan?
 440 2013-04-06 04:36:26 <muhoo> ProfMac: logread is the answer tho :-)
 441 2013-04-06 04:37:00 <ProfMac> thanks.  openWRT is relevant to Avalon development, I had thought.
 442 2013-04-06 04:37:20 <muhoo> ah, good point. they use a MIPS with openwrt as their cpu, i'd forgotten that
 443 2013-04-06 04:37:21 <iwilcox> That'd be more a #bitcoin-mining (or whatever it is) question.
 444 2013-04-06 04:37:36 <ProfMac> aha.  thanks.
 445 2013-04-06 04:37:46 <iwilcox> Might be -miners
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 447 2013-04-06 04:38:20 <ProfMac> I should visit #bitcoin-tell.me.where.to.go
 448 2013-04-06 04:38:30 <iwilcox> Heh, yeah, #bitcoin-signpost
 449 2013-04-06 04:38:39 <muhoo> isn't there a list channels function in irssi?
 450 2013-04-06 04:38:57 <muhoo> pipe that to grep bitcoin, maybe
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 479 2013-04-06 05:17:15 <owowodopolous> http://i.imgur.com/bRoF0dq.png   ;o)
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 481 2013-04-06 05:19:00 <holorga_> ProfMac: dmesg?
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 483 2013-04-06 05:22:40 <gmaxwell> lolbug
 484 2013-04-06 05:22:40 <gmaxwell> 2013-04-06 04:57:57 SetBestChain: new best=00000000000001606cb1587604719d2e1543be7046a2b1ab570ef41e5be94035  height=229906  work=000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000034354b87e5519fdee4  tx=15615589  date=2013-04-06 04:57:22
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 486 2013-04-06 05:25:17 <Diablo-D3> oh?
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 491 2013-04-06 05:32:45 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, wat
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 494 2013-04-06 05:41:39 <user123> anyone awake?
 495 2013-04-06 05:41:55 <phantomcircuit> some people are
 496 2013-04-06 05:41:57 <phantomcircuit> what's up
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 498 2013-04-06 05:42:25 <user123> are you familiar with the bloom filtering stuff in the protocol?
 499 2013-04-06 05:42:45 <phantomcircuit> not in the least
 500 2013-04-06 05:42:57 <phantomcircuit> and the people who are im pretty sure are asleep
 501 2013-04-06 05:43:05 <user123> haha, fair enough :)
 502 2013-04-06 05:43:12 <phantomcircuit> being mostly normal people :)
 503 2013-04-06 05:43:18 <phantomcircuit> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Protocol_specification#filterload.2C_filteradd.2C_filterclear.2C_merkleblock
 504 2013-04-06 05:43:20 <user123> when are they usually online?
 505 2013-04-06 05:43:21 <phantomcircuit> there is that though
 506 2013-04-06 05:43:39 <phantomcircuit> user123, try normal business hours for the east coast of the us
 507 2013-04-06 05:44:06 <user123> ok thanks
 508 2013-04-06 05:46:41 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, leave it to gmaxwell to say that and then just disappear without explanation lol
 509 2013-04-06 05:46:52 <Diablo-D3> yeah no shit
 510 2013-04-06 05:47:05 <JackStorm> his work was padded :)
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 593 2013-04-06 07:21:45 <gresh3e> buy 50 bitcoin free 2 bitcoin .only sell$2400,and delivery in 4 minutes http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinWallet/comments/1bsaot/50_bitcoin_free_extra_2_bitcoin_usd2300/
 594 2013-04-06 07:21:45 <gresh3e> buy 50 bitcoin free 2 bitcoin .only sell$2400,and delivery in 4 minutes http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinWallet/comments/1bsaot/50_bitcoin_free_extra_2_bitcoin_usd2300/
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 612 2013-04-06 07:38:48 <user123> could someone clarify something pls. if i run an SPV node and import an existing private key, will it result in me having to re-download all the block headers in order to collect the transactions relevant to me even though i'm already sync'd?
 613 2013-04-06 07:41:26 <gmaxwell> yes. or at least rebloom filter them. Also, if they provide a way to import a key with a birthdate you might be able to scan less.
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 618 2013-04-06 07:52:24 <user123> ok, thanks. By rebloom, do you mean something like if you have part sync'd and then import a key, you can set the filter for the remaining and then you only have to re-download the first blocks?
 619 2013-04-06 07:54:09 <gmaxwell> user123: I don't know if any implementations are smart enough to do that _yet_, in theory they could.
 620 2013-04-06 07:54:20 <Goonie_> bitcoinj doesn't
 621 2013-04-06 07:54:35 <user123> don't worry it's for my own implementation
 622 2013-04-06 07:55:06 <user123> and to understand how the whole thing works
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 638 2013-04-06 08:16:43 <mushly> is the "public note" that http://blockchain.info/ supports part of the actual blockchain, or just a tag on their website?
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 640 2013-04-06 08:17:05 <gmaxwell> the latter
 641 2013-04-06 08:17:08 <quaz0r> architects and engineers agree
 642 2013-04-06 08:17:14 <quaz0r> the twin towers and building 7 were demolished
 643 2013-04-06 08:17:31 <mushly> gmaxwell: thankyou
 644 2013-04-06 08:17:54 <gmaxwell> quaz0r: what does this have to do with the development of bitcoin software?
 645 2013-04-06 08:18:24 <quaz0r> nothing whatsoever
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 647 2013-04-06 08:18:49 <quaz0r> im a terrible irc user
 648 2013-04-06 08:18:53 <gmaxwell> Ah. Okay.
 649 2013-04-06 08:19:07 <quaz0r> agree 100%
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 666 2013-04-06 08:46:07 <quaz0r> gmaxwell can bitcoin development help combat tyranny?
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 700 2013-04-06 09:19:55 <flyingkiwiguy> quaz0r: only if it destroys central banks
 701 2013-04-06 09:20:23 <quaz0r> flyingkiwi you are 100% spot on there
 702 2013-04-06 09:26:07 <flyingkiwiguy> US miltary budget is half of the US's balance of trade deficit. So esentially the Fed provides paper promises to pay China to supply the US military.
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 704 2013-04-06 09:26:21 <quaz0r> END THE FED
 705 2013-04-06 09:26:44 <flyingkiwiguy> OT for #bitcoin-dev...
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 709 2013-04-06 09:27:25 <quaz0r> is end the fed really offtopic for bitcoin?
 710 2013-04-06 09:27:58 <gmaxwell> quaz0r: It's offtopic for this channel.
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 712 2013-04-06 09:28:24 <quaz0r> good point
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 717 2013-04-06 09:33:29 <quaz0r> gmaxwell is there a channel where it is on topic to discuss that the central-banking fiat currency tyranny is responsible for the sad state of this world?
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 720 2013-04-06 09:36:02 <alaricsp> Perhaps #bitcoin, quaz0r! Do we have a dedicated bitcoin world economics channel?
 721 2013-04-06 09:36:23 <gmaxwell> #bitcoin-politics perhaps
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 723 2013-04-06 09:37:30 <gmaxwell> The network is reallllly close to performing 2^56 SHA256 operations per block now... eat that deepcrack.
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 725 2013-04-06 09:38:42 <mushly> heh, if they were DES key attempts, you'd be able to exhaust the entire keyspace in a second
 726 2013-04-06 09:39:39 <gmaxwell> mushly: well, depends on what gear.. software implementations of DES are remarkably slow.
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 728 2013-04-06 09:40:12 <mushly> probably wasn't the best example, it was the first thing I could recall that had the same sized keys
 729 2013-04-06 09:41:42 <alaricsp> I suppose it's valid to say that (modulo some constant factor) the effort performed to generate each block is kind of comparable to that of brute-forcing a DES key.
 730 2013-04-06 09:42:10 <alaricsp> Assuming, as most cryptograhic brute-forcing analyses go, that you have a machine that does a DES decryption in a single "tick" :-)
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 732 2013-04-06 09:42:40 <gmaxwell> mushly: well that was actually my point in pointing it out.
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 734 2013-04-06 09:43:30 <gmaxwell> in hardware sha256 is mmmuuuch slower than DES.
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 736 2013-04-06 09:45:37 <mushly> gmaxwell: this is why you are the developer, and I'm not
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 793 2013-04-06 10:54:03 <jh2o2389> how can I start bitcoind, without the debug IO? I see a "ln -s /dev/null debug.log", but how can I stop bitcoind performing the HD I/O?
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 801 2013-04-06 11:02:39 <jh2o2389> I just want to start the process in a silent mode. the dev null workaround, or the printscreen alternative still performs kernel syscalls and IO operations, as far I understand.
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 808 2013-04-06 11:12:33 <cultavix> good morning
 809 2013-04-06 11:12:55 <cultavix> anyone do any kind of charting for web dev. using API's from btc exchanges?
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 814 2013-04-06 11:17:16 <jh2o2389> good morning cultavix
 815 2013-04-06 11:17:33 <cultavix> good morning
 816 2013-04-06 11:17:48 <cultavix> I am looking to create a central place to look at all of the markets
 817 2013-04-06 11:17:52 <cultavix> that I am interested in
 818 2013-04-06 11:18:04 <cultavix> need to figure out which charting to use, which APi's to use
 819 2013-04-06 11:18:05 <cultavix> etc
 820 2013-04-06 11:18:19 <cultavix> I dont know if this is the right place to talk about this
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 824 2013-04-06 11:24:46 <jh2o2389> you mean something like bitcoinity.org an bitcoincharts.com? I cant tell you or point you to an API. But as far I understand, you will always depend on the API of an market (like mtgox) and a gui api for the graphs.
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 826 2013-04-06 11:27:11 <jh2o2389> as gmaxwell asked yesterday in #bitcoin, what want you to do/whats your problem? "cenral place" sounds vague to me.
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 828 2013-04-06 11:29:58 <jh2o2389> I would welcome an aggregated chart of all markets, with all currencys in the web. Maybe you mean this with "central".
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 830 2013-04-06 11:32:04 <jh2o2389> s/with all/for all/
 831 2013-04-06 11:33:42 <cultavix> Yes
 832 2013-04-06 11:34:00 <cultavix> https://btc-e.com/api/documentation
 833 2013-04-06 11:34:20 <cultavix> https://www.bitstamp.net/api/
 834 2013-04-06 11:34:25 * jh2o2389 nods
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 836 2013-04-06 11:34:42 <cultavix> and as for charting
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 838 2013-04-06 11:35:09 <cultavix> jquery seems like it could be a good choice
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 841 2013-04-06 11:36:06 <cultavix> http://filamentgroup.com/examples/jqueryui-visualize/
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 843 2013-04-06 11:36:32 <jh2o2389> cultavix: and mtgox api https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/MtGox/API/HTTP
 844 2013-04-06 11:36:34 <cultavix> I'll start off small
 845 2013-04-06 11:36:42 <cultavix> Yes, i've got that page open as well
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 848 2013-04-06 11:37:07 <cultavix> what ill do is just create a graph, for BTC, displaying the prices from those exchanges
 849 2013-04-06 11:37:11 <cultavix> and i'll go from there
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 851 2013-04-06 11:38:15 <Scrat> [14:14] <cultavix> http://filamentgroup.com/examples/jqueryui-visualize/
 852 2013-04-06 11:38:17 <Scrat> wont do
 853 2013-04-06 11:38:56 <cultavix> what is wrong with it ?
 854 2013-04-06 11:38:56 <Scrat> it has no tooltips, it will only display static data
 855 2013-04-06 11:39:08 <cultavix> hrm
 856 2013-04-06 11:39:35 <cultavix> so I just want to start off by combining the data from 3 exchanges, into one graph
 857 2013-04-06 11:39:44 <cultavix> that will update every 1 minute or so
 858 2013-04-06 11:39:56 <jh2o2389> cultavix: start importing the data from the the exchanges with the most volume. from the biggest to the smallest. in front to the target to express the "market price", this will increase the efficiency of your programming costs.
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 860 2013-04-06 11:40:17 <Scrat> well first of all, you have to best this: http://www.bitcoinity.org/markets
 861 2013-04-06 11:40:19 <cultavix> so that would be mtgox
 862 2013-04-06 11:40:22 <Scrat> this is the most popular
 863 2013-04-06 11:40:25 <cultavix> yes, Scrat
 864 2013-04-06 11:40:34 <cultavix> that's my role model :)
 865 2013-04-06 11:40:43 <cultavix> he's using canvas
 866 2013-04-06 11:41:16 <cultavix> http://www.highcharts.com/
 867 2013-04-06 11:41:25 <bwen> https://developers.google.com/chart/interactive/docs/gallery/annotatedtimeline
 868 2013-04-06 11:42:17 <cultavix> bwen: thanks
 869 2013-04-06 11:42:29 <bwen> I havent tested if it can take live updates tho
 870 2013-04-06 11:42:36 <bwen> but its javascript
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 872 2013-04-06 11:42:40 <bwen> so I guess why not
 873 2013-04-06 11:43:00 <Scrat> argh, thats flash
 874 2013-04-06 11:43:03 <Scrat> kill it with fire
 875 2013-04-06 11:43:53 <bwen> thats what google use on their finance charts
 876 2013-04-06 11:44:31 <bwen> ohh maybe this one http://www.amcharts.com/stock-chart/stock-events/
 877 2013-04-06 11:44:37 <bwen> first time I run into that one
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 880 2013-04-06 11:45:48 <bwen> meh its not free >_<
 881 2013-04-06 11:46:01 <cultavix> https://data.mtgox.com/api/2/BTCUSD/money/ticker
 882 2013-04-06 11:46:08 <cultavix> there's my ticker api
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 884 2013-04-06 11:46:54 <bwen> meh.. long polling, kill it with fire
 885 2013-04-06 11:47:25 <Scrat> cultavix: need realtime data
 886 2013-04-06 11:47:29 <Scrat> you can use that as a fallback
 887 2013-04-06 11:47:36 <Scrat> websocket as the primary
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 892 2013-04-06 11:50:05 <bwen> well for javascript push I cant think of anything easier than nodejs + socket.io
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 894 2013-04-06 11:51:36 <cultavix> hrmm
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 897 2013-04-06 11:53:03 <cultavix> I might give that a try bwen
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 899 2013-04-06 11:53:07 <Scrat> but really, dont think for a moment that you can slap some charts together and make it work, this is much more involved
 900 2013-04-06 11:53:44 <Scrat> there's a reason bitcoinity and mtgoxlive use their own custom canvas
 901 2013-04-06 11:53:48 <bwen> yeah mtgox seems to have started with socket.io and then moved to custom websocket
 902 2013-04-06 11:54:06 <bwen> I wonder if it is still nodejs behind
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 904 2013-04-06 11:54:31 <Scrat> bwen: nop, gox uses socket.io
 905 2013-04-06 11:54:42 <Scrat> for their website
 906 2013-04-06 11:56:21 <Scrat> it's on a different domain
 907 2013-04-06 11:56:27 <bwen> I remember wondering how they were doing their livechart about a month ago and seing socket.io on bitcoinity.org
 908 2013-04-06 11:56:36 <bwen> and then checking recently and not seing socket.io
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 910 2013-04-06 11:57:17 <Scrat> can't see any sign of socket.io on bitcoinity
 911 2013-04-06 11:57:53 <bwen> not anymore no, thats why I said they moved to raw webscoket or something else
 912 2013-04-06 11:58:37 <jh2o2389> interesting. bitcoinity.org received just $15 on the 1comboyNsev2ubWRbPZpxxNhghLfonzuN address
 913 2013-04-06 11:59:03 <sivu> donate more
 914 2013-04-06 11:59:26 <jh2o2389> sivu: maybe I have?
 915 2013-04-06 11:59:40 <bwen> jh2o2389: maybe they change the address regularly
 916 2013-04-06 11:59:45 <bwen> I know I would
 917 2013-04-06 12:00:28 <jh2o2389> bwen: ah, okay. This makes sense.
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 920 2013-04-06 12:02:23 <jh2o2389> I need to leave. I wish you all a nice weekend. Buy.
 921 2013-04-06 12:02:38 <Scrat> buy
 922 2013-04-06 12:02:41 <bwen> cultavix: http://www.humblesoftware.com/finance/index
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 924 2013-04-06 12:03:07 <jh2o2389> aehm, Bye! I mean.
 925 2013-04-06 12:03:12 <jh2o2389> ;)
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 928 2013-04-06 12:03:34 <bwen> with a canvas this one. looks pretty :)
 929 2013-04-06 12:04:44 <cultavix> take care jh2o2389
 930 2013-04-06 12:04:59 <cultavix> oh yea
 931 2013-04-06 12:05:02 <cultavix> I like that actually
 932 2013-04-06 12:05:13 <cultavix> that looks easy enough
 933 2013-04-06 12:05:43 <bwen> its when you want live update that could get tricky
 934 2013-04-06 12:05:50 <Scrat> yeah, looks static
 935 2013-04-06 12:06:06 <cultavix> hrm
 936 2013-04-06 12:06:15 <cultavix> dammit
 937 2013-04-06 12:06:54 <Scrat> and then there's the problem of drawing orderbook depth
 938 2013-04-06 12:08:06 <cultavix> nodejs is taking forever to compile
 939 2013-04-06 12:08:32 <Scrat> you're also compiling V8 and openssl
 940 2013-04-06 12:08:36 <Scrat> both huge projects
 941 2013-04-06 12:09:10 <bwen> I wonder if "Go" does websockets and have a frontend lib...
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 943 2013-04-06 12:10:06 <Scrat> bwen: why would you need a frontend lib?
 944 2013-04-06 12:10:17 <Scrat> and it does websockets, it's in the core (almost)
 945 2013-04-06 12:10:19 <bwen> for abstracting websockets
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 947 2013-04-06 12:11:02 <Scrat> if you abstract you end with an abomination like socket.io
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 949 2013-04-06 12:11:12 <bwen> usually when there is a pre-made lib that abstract websockets client/server they usually do both sides as they have their own protocole within the socket
 950 2013-04-06 12:11:14 <Scrat> (thanks to IE6/7 for that)
 951 2013-04-06 12:11:20 <bwen> like crossbrowser abstraction
 952 2013-04-06 12:11:20 <Scrat> websocket spec has been stable for a while
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 954 2013-04-06 12:11:54 <bwen> I have not bothered with playing with raw websockets yet
 955 2013-04-06 12:12:03 <bwen> its on my todo list xD
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 958 2013-04-06 12:13:03 <Scrat> it's where things are moving, people without a browser that has RFC 6455 websocket support have no business being on the internet really
 959 2013-04-06 12:13:12 <bwen> I should start playing with Go, I hear good things from my co-workers. How more and more serious enterprises are starting it implement it
 960 2013-04-06 12:13:56 <Scrat> bwen: shhhh, TD is here
 961 2013-04-06 12:14:06 * TD chuckles
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 963 2013-04-06 12:14:21 <TD> not for long. i have many things to do today
 964 2013-04-06 12:14:46 <bwen> Scrat: so basicly you are saying support just the websocket standard and avoid blotted libraries. Which makes alot of sense :)
 965 2013-04-06 12:15:35 <bwen> for self projects. but when you want something professional... you gonna have pressure to get it to work everywhere
 966 2013-04-06 12:15:53 <Scrat> bwen: yeah we're not there yet
 967 2013-04-06 12:16:35 <bwen> but getting closer :D
 968 2013-04-06 12:16:44 <bwen> soon...¬_¬
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 970 2013-04-06 12:17:21 <Scrat> for a simple ticker without state you should be able to hack together a websocket client with ajax fallback pretty quickly
 971 2013-04-06 12:17:56 <Scrat> in less than 100 lines, without loading a 43 kb (minified mind you) library
 972 2013-04-06 12:18:24 <bwen> oooouuuuuuu 43kb lib... help me i'M drowning
 973 2013-04-06 12:18:27 <bwen> :P
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 975 2013-04-06 12:19:25 <bwen> and thats just for the first load because its being cashed
 976 2013-04-06 12:19:30 <bwen> oups
 977 2013-04-06 12:19:33 <bwen> cached
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 979 2013-04-06 12:20:16 <Scrat> i dont like bloat
 980 2013-04-06 12:20:21 <bwen> I understand the argument, its been made over and over...
 981 2013-04-06 12:20:30 <Scrat> socket.io's polling fallbacks are very bloated
 982 2013-04-06 12:20:33 <bwen> oh I understand
 983 2013-04-06 12:20:43 <bwen> its not the size of the lib that matters
 984 2013-04-06 12:20:45 <Scrat> (in the server side)
 985 2013-04-06 12:20:46 <bwen> its what they do
 986 2013-04-06 12:20:52 <Scrat> but this is all OT, lets stop :p
 987 2013-04-06 12:20:59 <bwen> but but :(
 988 2013-04-06 12:22:50 btcfaucet has left ("bbl")
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 990 2013-04-06 12:24:29 <bwen> so why did bitcoin chose freenode as official irc?
 991 2013-04-06 12:24:54 * bwen *cough cough* TOR *cough*
 992 2013-04-06 12:24:57 <cultavix> becase its a free node
 993 2013-04-06 12:25:04 <cultavix> lol
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 998 2013-04-06 12:28:18 <skinnkavaj> Anyone wanna buy a pizza for me with credit card?
 999 2013-04-06 12:28:27 <skinnkavaj> Oops wrong channel...
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1001 2013-04-06 12:32:10 <wumpus> bwen: because nearly all open source projects are here
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1007 2013-04-06 12:33:56 <rwf> anyone heard of or working on a btc based system similar to bandcamp etc?
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1012 2013-04-06 12:38:39 <Joric> github pages got attacked recently :) all *.github.com have been moved to *.github.io
1013 2013-04-06 12:39:00 <greenstar> china angry at github again?
1014 2013-04-06 12:39:07 <Joric> yeah and there was no ssl support in the first place
1015 2013-04-06 12:40:31 <Joric> custom domains like bitcoin.org were not affected afaik
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1018 2013-04-06 12:42:42 <Joric> i wonder why china is angry about github ??
1019 2013-04-06 12:43:15 <Joric> ah, found it
1020 2013-04-06 12:43:58 <Joric> china govt's trying to censor it using a forged ssl cert
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1022 2013-04-06 12:44:55 <greenstar> because some githubbers are using it to expose those techies that worked on chinas great firewall
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1045 2013-04-06 13:14:16 <cultavix> hrmm.. its not going to be very easy to create a live graph from  the exchange API
1046 2013-04-06 13:14:28 <cultavix> it would be very easy to make a static chart
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1050 2013-04-06 13:17:34 <iwilcox> cultavix: There are a few dynamic charting thingys out there.
1051 2013-04-06 13:17:46 <cultavix> oh yea?
1052 2013-04-06 13:17:55 <cultavix> I am looking at a few ways...
1053 2013-04-06 13:18:26 <cultavix> the simplest way I can think of is by using google api charting, by just using curl to get the data I need, then use awk to parse it
1054 2013-04-06 13:18:33 <cultavix> then input that into google charts
1055 2013-04-06 13:18:36 <cultavix> and display it
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1057 2013-04-06 13:18:41 <cultavix> and do this every 60 seconds
1058 2013-04-06 13:18:53 <cultavix> that's the simplest way I can think of to do it
1059 2013-04-06 13:19:06 <cultavix> the other way is by trying to use node.js and socket.io to keep a live stream
1060 2013-04-06 13:19:07 <cultavix> of data
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1063 2013-04-06 13:20:35 <bwen> you could do long polling method
1064 2013-04-06 13:20:45 <bwen> its just that its not as efficient
1065 2013-04-06 13:20:49 <bwen> but it works
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1067 2013-04-06 13:23:20 <bwen> if you make too many hits on the exchange json though, they might blacklist you
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1069 2013-04-06 13:24:16 <cultavix> ah really?
1070 2013-04-06 13:24:18 <bwen> so if you have 1000 clients looking at your page which does long polling every 5 secondes to that market json (which isnt yours)
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1072 2013-04-06 13:24:34 <cultavix> well, initially... the page is just for me :)
1073 2013-04-06 13:24:38 <cultavix> and maybe a friend or 2
1074 2013-04-06 13:24:39 <bwen> oh actualy... that would be the client...
1075 2013-04-06 13:24:42 <bwen> hm
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1077 2013-04-06 13:25:23 <bwen> cultavix: if its just a small project I would not worry too much.. Your initial idea can work
1078 2013-04-06 13:25:35 <cultavix> Yea
1079 2013-04-06 13:25:47 <cultavix> ill give a it ago, ill come back to you guys
1080 2013-04-06 13:25:50 <cultavix> maybe give a demo
1081 2013-04-06 13:25:51 <cultavix> haha
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1083 2013-04-06 13:26:11 <bwen> :)
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1100 2013-04-06 13:59:51 <bwen> where could I get more information about "signrawtransaction" ? On https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Raw_Transactions I see [<privatekey1>,...] what is the ... mean? :P
1101 2013-04-06 14:00:04 <bwen> dont tell me source code plz :P
1102 2013-04-06 14:00:46 <Belxjander> repeat the same... as many times as you like
1103 2013-04-06 14:01:03 <monkeynipples> bwen, its an array of priv keys
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1105 2013-04-06 14:01:15 <bwen> oh basicly it should be "signtransactions" ?
1106 2013-04-06 14:02:03 <bwen> oups I meant "signrawtransactionS"
1107 2013-04-06 14:02:04 <bwen> :p
1108 2013-04-06 14:02:17 <bwen> aight aight tx
1109 2013-04-06 14:02:20 <bwen> thx*
1110 2013-04-06 14:02:21 <bwen> :p
1111 2013-04-06 14:02:32 <scripting> Whats the latest version of the Berkeley DB bitcoin can compile with?
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1114 2013-04-06 14:08:31 <DBordello> I am upgrading to 0.8.1.  Did anything change with the getrawtransaction API?
1115 2013-04-06 14:09:45 <bwen> DBordello: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin
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1117 2013-04-06 14:11:48 <bwen> found it :P
1118 2013-04-06 14:11:49 <bwen> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/master...0.8.1
1119 2013-04-06 14:12:19 <bwen> the release-notes.txt :P
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1122 2013-04-06 14:13:43 <diki> Quick question. How does one make a thin client? I.e creating and receiving transactions, but not having the whole chain stored.
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1125 2013-04-06 14:14:16 <bwen> diki: I'm no expert but I think they query an online service...
1126 2013-04-06 14:14:37 <bwen> not for signing transaciton.... I hope :P
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1129 2013-04-06 14:18:47 <alaricsp> diki: Read the SPV section of The Paper
1130 2013-04-06 14:18:54 <alaricsp> diki: And read the source of electrum, it's Python
1131 2013-04-06 14:19:07 <CodeShark> DBordello: yes. you'll need to use -txindex to use it on nonwallet transactions
1132 2013-04-06 14:19:07 <diki> Can't say I have much experience with Python.
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1259 2013-04-06 16:15:19 <JWU42> https://www.refheap.com/paste/13335
1260 2013-04-06 16:15:44 <JWU42> this one VPS is acting up -- bitcoind keeps crashing - this is the most recent...
1261 2013-04-06 16:16:01 <sipa> define 'most recent' ?
1262 2013-04-06 16:16:25 <JWU42> as in - it won't run for more than a few hours -- this is the teail of the debug.log
1263 2013-04-06 16:16:33 <JWU42> 0.8.1
1264 2013-04-06 16:16:40 <gwillen> JWU42: std::bad_alloc is thrown when you run out of memory
1265 2013-04-06 16:16:48 <JWU42> K
1266 2013-04-06 16:16:51 <JWU42> POS VPS
1267 2013-04-06 16:16:54 <JWU42> thks
1268 2013-04-06 16:16:56 <gwillen> np
1269 2013-04-06 16:17:10 <JWU42> 512MB = fail
1270 2013-04-06 16:17:14 <JWU42> :/
1271 2013-04-06 16:17:17 <sipa> JWU42: try git head
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1273 2013-04-06 16:17:30 <sipa> it has some very significant memory usage improvements
1274 2013-04-06 16:17:34 <JWU42> K - will pull and rebuild
1275 2013-04-06 16:17:45 <sipa> especially with many peers
1276 2013-04-06 16:17:48 <mushly> sipa: how significant?
1277 2013-04-06 16:18:25 <sipa> mushly: with 170 peers, i know use 366 MiB; it used to be over 800
1278 2013-04-06 16:18:33 <sipa> *now
1279 2013-04-06 16:18:52 <sipa> though it seems there's still some accumulating memory usage (not an actual leak, but just memory usage increasing over time)
1280 2013-04-06 16:19:29 <mushly> I might fire up a 512MB VPS and see if it survives
1281 2013-04-06 16:20:13 <JWU42> my git skills suck - just recloned it '
1282 2013-04-06 16:21:05 <JWU42> 2 months of a free vps so I can't be that upset
1283 2013-04-06 16:21:13 <mushly> DigitalOcean, right?
1284 2013-04-06 16:21:19 * JWU42 nods
1285 2013-04-06 16:21:32 <JWU42> tried the NL ones first - horrendous
1286 2013-04-06 16:21:40 <JWU42> so went back to US
1287 2013-04-06 16:21:54 <JWU42> but really wanted to add a EU node - oh well
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1289 2013-04-06 16:22:27 <mushly> the first node I ever made in the NL zone seems to be fine, but subsequent ones I've used are bad
1290 2013-04-06 16:22:54 <JWU42> I just ran the freevps bench -- not very impressive
1291 2013-04-06 16:23:06 <JWU42> even the supposed SSD was poor
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1293 2013-04-06 16:24:02 <JWU42> sipa: 170 peers abnd 366 MiB = awesome!
1294 2013-04-06 16:24:20 <mushly> they're great for web scraping though.
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1296 2013-04-06 16:24:32 <mushly> 15 instances and you can wget the world.
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1298 2013-04-06 16:25:02 <JWU42> mushly: that is right - you were the one suggesting them
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1300 2013-04-06 16:25:05 <JWU42> forgot...
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1308 2013-04-06 16:26:58 <graingert> what is the correct capitalization and plural for bitcoin in the following sentences:
1309 2013-04-06 16:27:03 <denisx> sipa: git HEAD is completely compatible with 0.8.1?
1310 2013-04-06 16:27:06 <JWU42> tow 0.8.1 nodes -- 43 conns @ 684MB and and 59 @ 584
1311 2013-04-06 16:27:11 <graingert> I like the Bitcoin protocol.
1312 2013-04-06 16:27:11 <denisx> so I can switch back and forth?
1313 2013-04-06 16:27:11 <graingert> I think the Bitcoin-QT client is too slow, I’d rather try other Bitcoin clients.
1314 2013-04-06 16:27:11 <graingert> The enormous mansion was worth three whole bitcoins!
1315 2013-04-06 16:28:41 <sipa> denisx: yes
1316 2013-04-06 16:29:38 <sipa> graingert: Bitcoin when referring to the system/protocol, bitcoin/bitcoins when referring to the currency
1317 2013-04-06 16:29:58 <graingert> sipa: I sent mark three bitcoins
1318 2013-04-06 16:30:00 <graingert> or
1319 2013-04-06 16:30:03 <graingert> I sent mark three bitcoin
1320 2013-04-06 16:30:08 <sipa> 'mark' ?
1321 2013-04-06 16:30:16 <graingert> Mark*
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1323 2013-04-06 16:30:30 <graingert> sipa: ^
1324 2013-04-06 16:30:49 <sipa> i'd say 3 bitcoins; but perhaps when it's a fractional number like 2.3 i'd use bitcoin
1325 2013-04-06 16:30:57 <sipa> what would you use if it were another currency?
1326 2013-04-06 16:31:02 <denisx> graingert: like Deutsche Mark? ;)
1327 2013-04-06 16:31:04 <graingert> sipa: 3 dollars
1328 2013-04-06 16:31:07 <JWU42> sipa: I was confused as last time I built from MASTER it showed "version" : 80000 which I thought was a problem so did checkout v0.8.1 instead...
1329 2013-04-06 16:31:12 <graingert> sipa: 1 penny
1330 2013-04-06 16:31:17 <graingert> sipa: 1.2 pennies
1331 2013-04-06 16:31:32 <graingert> sipa: fractions induce plurality
1332 2013-04-06 16:31:42 <sipa> JWU42: right, the version number isn't increased yet; but git head branched off 0.8.0 not off 0.8.1 (even though it has 0.8.1's changes 'backported' to it)
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1334 2013-04-06 16:31:44 <graingert> sipa: 0.1 bitcoins
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1336 2013-04-06 16:31:59 <graingert> sipa: ew
1337 2013-04-06 16:32:09 <sipa> 0.8.1 was sort of an emergency release
1338 2013-04-06 16:32:17 <JWU42> sipa: understood
1339 2013-04-06 16:32:36 <JWU42> so I shouldn't fear the version number - OK
1340 2013-04-06 16:32:43 <graingert> sipa: any idea how I should cite a paper that gets the term wrong?
1341 2013-04-06 16:32:55 <graingert> sipa: I don't want to litter sic all over my paper?
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1343 2013-04-06 16:33:09 <sipa> JWU42: debug.log lists the exact build at startup
1344 2013-04-06 16:33:10 <graingert> this really isn't the place to ask this
1345 2013-04-06 16:33:12 <graingert> but hey
1346 2013-04-06 16:33:43 <denisx> git HEAD is still without gavins cleanshutdown changes?
1347 2013-04-06 16:34:16 <sipa> graingert: "meh", hard to enforce any official notation in a decentralized system... but there's sort of a consensus about Bitcoin the system and bitcoin the currency; about plurals... use your language's normal :)
1348 2013-04-06 16:34:16 <sipa> denisx: hmm, which one?
1349 2013-04-06 16:34:28 <denisx> sipa: all of them
1350 2013-04-06 16:34:38 <denisx> net.cpp: In function 'bool GetMyExternalIP(CNetAddr&)':
1351 2013-04-06 16:34:39 <denisx> net.cpp:342: warning: 'pszKeyword' may be used uninitialized in this function
1352 2013-04-06 16:34:40 <denisx> net.cpp:341: warning: 'pszGet' may be used uninitialized in this function
1353 2013-04-06 16:34:52 <sipa> what compiler is that?
1354 2013-04-06 16:35:07 <denisx> old gcc
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1356 2013-04-06 16:35:39 <sipa> more recent gcc's do better call tracing and notice that isn't a problem, afaik
1357 2013-04-06 16:35:50 <denisx> ok
1358 2013-04-06 16:36:08 <denisx> freebsds gcc is 4.2 or something
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1361 2013-04-06 16:36:25 <sipa> denisx: afaik, git head has all of Gavin's recent changes relating to threads/shutdown
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1363 2013-04-06 16:37:15 <graingert> sipa: I think I'll just have to mention it in the viva
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1365 2013-04-06 16:37:32 <graingert> sipa: I doubt any of my professors will know, unless I tell them
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1367 2013-04-06 16:42:54 <denisx> hmm, five connections and already 500MB right after start
1368 2013-04-06 16:43:01 <sipa> RES or VIRT?
1369 2013-04-06 16:43:09 <denisx> 458RES
1370 2013-04-06 16:43:35 <sipa> that seems a lot, but not yet outrageous... let me know how it evolves
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1374 2013-04-06 16:43:56 <sipa> you don't use -dbcache with some large number?
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1376 2013-04-06 16:44:04 <denisx> no
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1387 2013-04-06 16:51:38 <denisx> sipa: looks stable, it is now at 467M RES
1388 2013-04-06 16:51:58 <sipa> wait a few days before you say it's stable :
1389 2013-04-06 16:53:20 <denisx> uh, it dropped to 379M
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1391 2013-04-06 16:53:46 <denisx> and again to 323M
1392 2013-04-06 16:53:48 <denisx> strange
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1395 2013-04-06 16:56:18 <skinnkavaj> Apperently we have Skype bitcoin malware
1396 2013-04-06 16:56:19 <skinnkavaj> http://storyfic.com/new-bitcoin-skype-malware-spreading-at-2000-clicks-per-hour/
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1399 2013-04-06 17:02:04 <BlueMatt> lol...bitcoin cpumining trojan...
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1405 2013-04-06 17:07:06 <pjorrit_> lol
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1436 2013-04-06 17:30:05 <moarrr> hey any devs around?
1437 2013-04-06 17:30:20 <sipa> yes
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1440 2013-04-06 17:31:19 <moarrr> the first letter of a public address is 1 (or L/N/T/etc depending on alt-coins)
1441 2013-04-06 17:31:22 <moarrr> where is this set in the source code?
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1443 2013-04-06 17:31:37 <sipa> it's not defined directly
1444 2013-04-06 17:31:48 <sipa> addresses have a prefix, called the version byte
1445 2013-04-06 17:31:55 <moarrr> oh
1446 2013-04-06 17:32:03 <moarrr> where is the version byte set?
1447 2013-04-06 17:32:14 <sipa> when converting to base58 thus sometimes leads to a consistent prefix character
1448 2013-04-06 17:32:22 <sipa> in base58.h, i think
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1453 2013-04-06 17:35:05 <flyingkiwiguy> TD: is this the sort of traffic you'd like to see tested on testnet3? http://blockexplorer.com/testnet/block/000000003101f521d1ed57cd692c9270cec7e0467980e1486a99782b26d065ca
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1455 2013-04-06 17:35:52 <flyingkiwiguy> what's missing (other than say > 600 txes)
1456 2013-04-06 17:36:07 <moarrr> sipa, I see litecoin uses 48 as the version byte...        PUBKEY_ADDRESS = 48, // Litecoin addresses start with L
1457 2013-04-06 17:36:10 <moarrr> what does 48 mean?
1458 2013-04-06 17:36:22 <moarrr> (I thought it was the 48th char in base58 but its not)
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1460 2013-04-06 17:36:57 <chmod755> hello. i guess a few people have a function to send out alerts - does anybody know if this is public and/or where i can find it? i'd like to test something
1461 2013-04-06 17:37:37 <flyingkiwiguy> chmod755: I believe it requires Satoshi's / gavinandresen's private signing key
1462 2013-04-06 17:37:43 <rhodon> same issue as moarrr
1463 2013-04-06 17:38:01 <sipa> moarrr: addresses are binary data, that is encoded in base58
1464 2013-04-06 17:38:12 <flyingkiwiguy> I suppose you could compile a testnet bitcoind with your own private key...
1465 2013-04-06 17:38:22 <flyingkiwiguy> *in a box
1466 2013-04-06 17:38:24 <chmod755> flyingkiwiguy, yep
1467 2013-04-06 17:38:26 <sipa> moarrr: 48 neans byte 48 here, i.e. 0x30
1468 2013-04-06 17:38:39 <copumpkin> is there a mechanism to address what happens if gavinandresen gets hit by a bus?
1469 2013-04-06 17:38:52 <copumpkin> I guess we just roll out a new client with a new pubkey in it
1470 2013-04-06 17:38:54 <sipa> copumpkin: theymos has the key too
1471 2013-04-06 17:38:59 <copumpkin> ah :)
1472 2013-04-06 17:39:11 <chmod755> copumpkin, we'll kill the bus driver
1473 2013-04-06 17:39:18 <flyingkiwiguy> so neither of them are allowed within 100m of each other (or a bus)
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1477 2013-04-06 17:40:23 <chmod755> i think others like sipa and gmaxwell should also have it
1478 2013-04-06 17:40:46 <TD> flyingkiwiguy: i guess. there isn't much variety in those transactions though
1479 2013-04-06 17:40:51 <rhodon> what is the letter F in base58
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1481 2013-04-06 17:41:04 <flyingkiwiguy> can you give me some suggestions TD?
1482 2013-04-06 17:41:41 <TD> way wider variety of in/out sizes. maybe different kinds of script, etc
1483 2013-04-06 17:42:16 <flyingkiwiguy> sizes in terms of # of inputs / outputs?
1484 2013-04-06 17:42:40 <flyingkiwiguy> absoloute amounts of BTC shouldn't matter, right?
1485 2013-04-06 17:42:49 <flyingkiwiguy> *lute
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1487 2013-04-06 17:44:08 <TD> yeaj
1488 2013-04-06 17:44:14 <TD> yeah
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1525 2013-04-06 18:07:11 <shawn_fessenden> Looking for btc-qt 0.8.1-b advice re: resource usage. WinXP host severely bogged down 1.5 days after syncing with network. Host becomes practically useless. No help from logs.
1526 2013-04-06 18:07:34 <grapevine> restart client?
1527 2013-04-06 18:07:42 <shawn_fessenden> Same thing happens.
1528 2013-04-06 18:07:46 <sipa> is it synchronized?
1529 2013-04-06 18:07:48 <shawn_fessenden> Yes
1530 2013-04-06 18:08:10 <sipa> how much memory dobyou have?
1531 2013-04-06 18:08:16 <shawn_fessenden> 2G
1532 2013-04-06 18:08:33 <sipa> hmm, should be enough
1533 2013-04-06 18:08:34 <shawn_fessenden> btc usage about 178,000K
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1535 2013-04-06 18:09:00 <sipa> is it consuming cpu?
1536 2013-04-06 18:09:17 <shawn_fessenden> CPU consumption about 5%, heavy disk going on.
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1538 2013-04-06 18:09:24 <Scrat> oh the joy of a 11 year old OS
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1541 2013-04-06 18:09:52 <flyingkiwiguy> fragmented disk?
1542 2013-04-06 18:10:03 <sipa> how many connections?
1543 2013-04-06 18:10:06 <shawn_fessenden> Freshly defragged (ntfs)
1544 2013-04-06 18:10:12 <shawn_fessenden> 8 connections to the network.
1545 2013-04-06 18:10:19 <willphase> shawn_fessenden: does it only exhibit this behavior when bitcoin-qt is running?
1546 2013-04-06 18:10:38 <sipa> can you put a few pages of debug.log online somewhere?
1547 2013-04-06 18:10:42 <shawn_fessenden> Yes. It's def btc-qt doing it, but I have no idea what it's doing.
1548 2013-04-06 18:10:51 <shawn_fessenden> Ok, coming up...
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1553 2013-04-06 18:13:04 <shawn_fessenden> Trying to pastebin now, but like I said it's taking forever to do anything.
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1555 2013-04-06 18:13:32 <sipa> well shut it down then
1556 2013-04-06 18:14:04 <flyingkiwiguy> shawn_fessenden: check out http://technet.microsoft.com/en-gb/sysinternals/bb896645
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1558 2013-04-06 18:14:36 <shawn_fessenden> debug.log up at http://pastebin.com/C3am88ER (reading suggested link now)
1559 2013-04-06 18:14:37 <flyingkiwiguy> is this a new wallet or a wallet that has a lot of tx in it?
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1561 2013-04-06 18:14:48 <shawn_fessenden> New
1562 2013-04-06 18:14:52 <shawn_fessenden> New wallet
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1564 2013-04-06 18:15:17 <willphase> shawn_fessenden: is it an upgraded blockchain data file from previous version of bitcoin-qt?
1565 2013-04-06 18:15:56 <shawn_fessenden> Saved off old blocks & balance, loaded new client & started. Waited for sync and this happened.
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1569 2013-04-06 18:17:59 <sipa> shawn_fessenden: do these 'getblocks <number> to <hash>' happen often?
1570 2013-04-06 18:18:10 <sipa> (that means someone is downloading the chain from you)
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1572 2013-04-06 18:19:11 <shawn_fessenden> had to shut down the client. It's just getting to the point where the computer won't do anything. It's unwinding now.
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1574 2013-04-06 18:19:27 <sipa> what hard drive do you have?
1575 2013-04-06 18:19:33 <shawn_fessenden> Seems so sipa
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1578 2013-04-06 18:19:47 <shawn_fessenden> The kind that spins :)
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1585 2013-04-06 18:22:37 <shawn_fessenden> Anyway... there's no reason this should be happening. I proly need to wipe all trace of it & reinstall / resync. This has never happened before... only when I upgraded to 0.8.1-b
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1587 2013-04-06 18:23:48 <MC1984_> dr who = deus ex machina
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1592 2013-04-06 18:28:36 <shawn_fessenden> Yeah I'm gonna nuke/reup. Can't have this thing getting stuck like that.
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1596 2013-04-06 18:32:12 <MC1984_> thats goibg to br a really paincul thing to say in about ten years
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1609 2013-04-06 18:42:50 <dino__> A bit off topic, but have a tricky question about blockchain.info wallets.  I have several addresses in my wallet.  They seem to have pre-selected the "main" receiving address for me (the one that generates the QR code, etc.)  Is there a way to change this?  I don't see any related option in the preferences.
1610 2013-04-06 18:43:43 <willphase> dino__: there doesn't appear to be any way of changing it except by deleting the key from your wallet then it pickes the second oldest
1611 2013-04-06 18:44:14 <dino__> willphase:  Thanks.  That makes sense.  Awkward, but a reasonable work around.
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1621 2013-04-06 18:50:06 <cultavix> hrmm
1622 2013-04-06 18:50:19 <cultavix> pretty sure that I am getting attacks on my network because of bitcoin
1623 2013-04-06 18:50:26 <cultavix> looks like you are targetted
1624 2013-04-06 18:50:31 <cultavix> for using the btc client
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1627 2013-04-06 18:52:36 <Guest53479> Ìû
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1635 2013-04-06 18:58:06 <JWU42> sipa: up to 28 conns and under 200MB - very nice!
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1638 2013-04-06 19:00:46 <wumpus> huh I have a testnet wallet that has an output marked as spent that should not be, which causes the balance shown to be 0 even though there is only a transaction coming in. No idea how it ended up this way.
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1643 2013-04-06 19:02:01 <sipa> wumpus: i'm pretty sure there are potential inconsistencies possible with the current wallet implementatio
1644 2013-04-06 19:02:35 <sipa> wumpus: i've been wanting to drop vfSent from CWalletTx, and use CWallet itself to assess whether a particular output is spendable
1645 2013-04-06 19:03:06 <wumpus> sipa: agreed, it may be better not to serialize the vfSpent at all
1646 2013-04-06 19:03:28 <sipa> not just not serialize it; drop it altogether
1647 2013-04-06 19:03:29 <wumpus> it's not that expensive to determine it when needed
1648 2013-04-06 19:03:43 <wumpus> I've tried -rescan but it doesn't solve it 
1649 2013-04-06 19:04:03 <sipa> -salvagewallet should fix it, but that's overkill
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1655 2013-04-06 19:08:24 <melvster> anyone know roughly how many tx in the block chain?
1656 2013-04-06 19:08:35 <JWU42> many...
1657 2013-04-06 19:08:38 <sipa> 15.5M
1658 2013-04-06 19:08:42 <melvster> thank you!
1659 2013-04-06 19:08:52 <melvster> and the chain is roughly 5gb right?
1660 2013-04-06 19:08:56 <melvster> 6
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1662 2013-04-06 19:09:20 <JWU42> 7.5
1663 2013-04-06 19:09:23 <melvster> so that equates to roughly 500bytes per tx?
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1665 2013-04-06 19:09:32 <sipa> closer to 6.9
1666 2013-04-06 19:09:39 <sipa> melvster: that's possible, yes
1667 2013-04-06 19:09:44 <wumpus> salvagewallet made the wallet un-loadable. "Kan sleutel-pool niet initialiseren" debug.log: http://www.pastebin.ca/2351244
1668 2013-04-06 19:09:45 <JWU42> 7.5G    /home/jw/.bitcoin/blocks/
1669 2013-04-06 19:09:56 <JWU42> fwiw
1670 2013-04-06 19:09:56 <melvster> sipa: thanks... and this is every transaction since the beginning?
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1672 2013-04-06 19:10:09 <sipa> JWU42: that's more than just the blocks
1673 2013-04-06 19:10:10 <cyphase> JWU42, that includes the index
1674 2013-04-06 19:10:16 <sipa> and undo data
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1676 2013-04-06 19:10:49 <melvster> sipa: have you considered compression techniques for the block chain?
1677 2013-04-06 19:10:52 <JWU42> fair enough -- when most talk about the blockchain it seems they are concerned with storage so it seems it should ALL be considered
1678 2013-04-06 19:11:05 <cyphase> indeed
1679 2013-04-06 19:11:07 <sipa> melvster: yes
1680 2013-04-06 19:11:30 <melvster> sipa: could you express current thinking in 1-2 sentences?
1681 2013-04-06 19:11:39 <sipa> melvster: something like 20-40% should be doable, but working towards pruning is considered higher priority
1682 2013-04-06 19:12:00 <melvster> sipa: pruning, based on what?
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1684 2013-04-06 19:12:06 <sipa> melvster: not storing the block data
1685 2013-04-06 19:12:28 <melvster> sipa: sure i get that, but which blocks become candidates for pruning?
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1687 2013-04-06 19:12:32 <sipa> melvster: all of them
1688 2013-04-06 19:12:33 <wumpus> I wonder if the wallet was corrupted in the first place, but salvagewallet shouldn't make it worse...
1689 2013-04-06 19:12:35 <melvster> lol
1690 2013-04-06 19:12:44 <cyphase> melvster, transactions whose outputs have all been spent
1691 2013-04-06 19:12:48 <sipa> cyphase: wrong
1692 2013-04-06 19:12:54 <cyphase> lol
1693 2013-04-06 19:13:02 <sipa> we keep a separate database of all unspent transaction outputs
1694 2013-04-06 19:13:02 <cyphase> i was going to say "i believe", but i was pretty sure :P
1695 2013-04-06 19:13:07 <scripting> how many coins was inside it?
1696 2013-04-06 19:13:10 <melvster> sipa: good, and how is the actual pruned blocks determined, is it a proababalistic algorithm or deteriministic?
1697 2013-04-06 19:13:31 <sipa> melvster: it's very simple: still download and fully verify all blocks, but not store them
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1699 2013-04-06 19:13:53 <melvster> sipa: nice idea ... will think it over
1700 2013-04-06 19:13:54 <sipa> (you have to keep the last few blocks around for reorganisation, but apart from that, anything can be deleted)
1701 2013-04-06 19:14:22 <melvster> sipa: but i heard miners have to keep the whole chain?
1702 2013-04-06 19:14:43 <sipa> they don't
1703 2013-04-06 19:14:48 <melvster> so this makes sense, is it what lite clients like electrum do?
1704 2013-04-06 19:14:55 <sipa> no, that's very different
1705 2013-04-06 19:15:00 <melvster> kk
1706 2013-04-06 19:15:04 <sipa> melvster: see it this way
1707 2013-04-06 19:15:05 <cyphase> melvster, electrum talks to servers that have the whole blockchain
1708 2013-04-06 19:15:11 <sipa> cyphase: not necessarily, even
1709 2013-04-06 19:15:17 <cyphase> wow
1710 2013-04-06 19:15:20 <cyphase> okay, i'll stop
1711 2013-04-06 19:15:24 <cyphase> i'm all wrong today :P
1712 2013-04-06 19:15:30 <sipa> melvster: the current 'state' of the chain is the set of unspent transaction outputs
1713 2013-04-06 19:15:42 <melvster> got it
1714 2013-04-06 19:15:46 <melvster> basically a ledger
1715 2013-04-06 19:15:49 <denisx> sipa: the bitcoind has now 385M RES
1716 2013-04-06 19:15:54 <melvster> based on key pairs
1717 2013-04-06 19:15:56 <sipa> that is, a list of all 'coins' that can be spent still, together with their amount, script (=address), and some metadata like version info and height
1718 2013-04-06 19:16:07 <melvster> ah
1719 2013-04-06 19:16:09 <sipa> melvster: not really - scripts are a bit more high-level than keys
1720 2013-04-06 19:16:20 <sipa> and it's not a per-address balance; it's really the separate coins
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1722 2013-04-06 19:16:39 <sipa> melvster: this is currently maintained explicitly by the 0.8.x clients in chainstate/
1723 2013-04-06 19:16:48 <melvster> thanks i think i will need to reread some of the documentaion, but your explanation is very helpful
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1725 2013-04-06 19:17:18 <sipa> melvster: now, a block is really just an authenticated 'patch' for that chainstate: it consumes some coins, and introduces some new ones
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1727 2013-04-06 19:17:37 <melvster> yes
1728 2013-04-06 19:17:41 <melvster> i get that
1729 2013-04-06 19:17:53 <sipa> so verifying blocks is (simplified) testing whether it applies cleanly on the state (produced by its parent blocks) and applying it if it works
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1731 2013-04-06 19:18:04 <sipa> the undo data are reverse patches
1732 2013-04-06 19:18:12 <melvster> ah ok
1733 2013-04-06 19:18:15 <melvster> smart
1734 2013-04-06 19:18:32 <sipa> so, the only reason you need the blocks themself is 1) to initialize a new node
1735 2013-04-06 19:18:52 <sipa> 2) to rescan for wallet transactions (which isn't necessary if you don't fiddle with them)
1736 2013-04-06 19:19:04 <sipa> 3) for reorganizations (the undo data isn't standalone)
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1738 2013-04-06 19:19:30 <melvster> is there any other way of getting the chainstate other than verifying every block?
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1740 2013-04-06 19:19:48 <sipa> if you trust someone to produce it for you, you can copy it
1741 2013-04-06 19:19:53 <sipa> but you *really* have to trust them
1742 2013-04-06 19:20:02 <sipa> as there is no way to prove it is correct (for now)
1743 2013-04-06 19:20:28 <sipa> and 4) debug/introspection purposes like BBE sites
1744 2013-04-06 19:20:28 <melvster> sipa: why not take snapshots and get them verified with proof of work?
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1746 2013-04-06 19:20:52 <sipa> melvster: bingo; that's an idea: put a hash of the chainstate in the coinbase, and have it verified by miners
1747 2013-04-06 19:21:02 <sipa> melvster: that's however far from a trivial change
1748 2013-04-06 19:21:02 <melvster> got it
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1750 2013-04-06 19:21:16 <melvster> great so we can keep improving bitcoin
1751 2013-04-06 19:21:22 <melvster> that's good in itself to know
1752 2013-04-06 19:21:24 <melvster> and exciting :)
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1760 2013-04-06 19:22:03 <melvster> how might the chain state be stored?
1761 2013-04-06 19:22:09 <melvster> i could probably do it in json
1762 2013-04-06 19:22:33 <sipa> if you want to know how it is stored now, look at main.h, in comments above the definition of class CCoins
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1764 2013-04-06 19:22:42 <melvster> ah thanks
1765 2013-04-06 19:22:52 <sipa> it's quite aggressively compressed
1766 2013-04-06 19:22:58 <melvster> makes sense
1767 2013-04-06 19:23:03 <sipa> well, encoded compactly
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1769 2013-04-06 19:24:35 <melvster> we should maybe do a yearly snapshot of btc since the day it started and publish the chain state and hash
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1771 2013-04-06 19:25:05 <sipa> that would kind of defeat the purpose
1772 2013-04-06 19:25:10 <melvster> why?
1773 2013-04-06 19:25:13 <sipa> the idea of bitcoin is that you don't need to trust anyone
1774 2013-04-06 19:25:24 <sipa> if you do want to, don't run a fully verifying node in the first place
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1776 2013-04-06 19:25:40 <melvster> sipa: well you spread out the trust
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1778 2013-04-06 19:26:30 <sipa> why would you go verify the chain, if your entire mechanism of verifying it is based on assuming you got the right data in the first place?
1779 2013-04-06 19:27:20 <melvster> sipa: just adding another option ... you can verify the whole chain if you want, or you can verify the last X years of the chaibn
1780 2013-04-06 19:27:34 <sipa> right, indeed
1781 2013-04-06 19:28:10 <sipa> but it'd be much nicer if the chainstate itself got committed to block data, so you can verify it by just the assumption that miners don't collude
1782 2013-04-06 19:28:34 <sipa> (i.e., have the whole world verify the same shared piece of data, instead of individuals verifying individual copies)
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1786 2013-04-06 19:28:57 <melvster> isnt the chain state very large?  or do you mean as a one off?  say on 'santoshi day'
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1789 2013-04-06 19:29:20 <melvster> satoshi
1790 2013-04-06 19:29:21 <melvster> lol
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1793 2013-04-06 19:30:03 <sipa> go check the size of your chainstate directory
1794 2013-04-06 19:30:30 <melvster> dont have it on this machine
1795 2013-04-06 19:30:44 <melvster> seems to me the btc addresses are hard to compress as they are high entropy
1796 2013-04-06 19:30:45 <sipa> it's 184 MiB here
1797 2013-04-06 19:30:47 <melvster> wow
1798 2013-04-06 19:31:16 <melvster> but commonly used addresses could be stored in a codebook, like huffman encoding
1799 2013-04-06 19:31:26 <sipa> but the chainstate doesn't store addresses at all
1800 2013-04-06 19:31:38 <sipa> it stores output scripts
1801 2013-04-06 19:31:39 <melvster> all addresses with non zero outputs right?
1802 2013-04-06 19:31:49 <sipa> it's not a balance!
1803 2013-04-06 19:32:09 <sipa> it's a list of coins, and for each coin to which script it was assigned (which yes, indeed, may have a corresponding address)
1804 2013-04-06 19:32:25 <sipa> but the actual data in the script is uncompressible
1805 2013-04-06 19:32:28 <melvster> ah ok ...
1806 2013-04-06 19:32:39 <sipa> as it's a 160-bit hash of the pubkey
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1809 2013-04-06 19:33:24 <sipa> anyway; that number was including headers and checksums and indexes... it contains 160 MiB of actual data
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1811 2013-04-06 19:33:39 <melvster> thanks
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1813 2013-04-06 19:34:34 <melvster> so is the chainstate linear, ie could it be considered one huge patch from day 0
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1815 2013-04-06 19:34:45 <melvster> similarly you could have a patch from block 100k to 200k
1816 2013-04-06 19:35:11 <sipa> it's not a patch, in the sense that it doesn't contain "delete" data
1817 2013-04-06 19:35:17 <sipa> it's the result of the patch
1818 2013-04-06 19:35:26 <melvster> got it
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1821 2013-04-06 19:36:13 <melvster> btw it IS possible to compress hashes, but you need to be very lucky, and probably would not save much
1822 2013-04-06 19:36:31 <melvster> in fact you may increase the size
1823 2013-04-06 19:36:58 <sipa> if you can, you're not using the right entropy model
1824 2013-04-06 19:37:04 <sipa> and it will in general increase the size
1825 2013-04-06 19:37:07 <melvster> yes
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1827 2013-04-06 19:37:18 <sipa> so no, they are incompressible
1828 2013-04-06 19:37:31 <sipa> (apart from the fact that addresses are reused)
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1830 2013-04-06 19:37:44 <melvster> satoshidice i guess is used a lot
1831 2013-04-06 19:39:08 <melvster> ok thanks makes a lot of sense
1832 2013-04-06 19:39:53 <melvster> where can i learn more about scripts?
1833 2013-04-06 19:39:57 <melvster> wiki i guess
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1837 2013-04-06 19:41:55 <melvster> interesting
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1839 2013-04-06 19:42:06 <iwilcox> Why is the hash-in-the-blockchain patch particularly disruptive then?  Backwards-incompatibility?
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1841 2013-04-06 19:42:17 <melvster> so could a script be made to work with a NON ECDSA key, eg an RSA key pair?
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1843 2013-04-06 19:42:40 <TD> there's no opcode for that
1844 2013-04-06 19:42:49 <melvster> obvious application is that you could then send coins to GPG addresses or WebIDs
1845 2013-04-06 19:42:59 <sipa> iwilcox: it requires every miner to maintain and validate the hash-of-chainstate
1846 2013-04-06 19:43:02 Guest30408 is now known as basylib
1847 2013-04-06 19:43:04 <melvster> rsa keys are generally 2048 bits
1848 2013-04-06 19:43:14 <sipa> iwilcox: which, if done naively, is very expensive
1849 2013-04-06 19:43:31 basylib is now known as Guest8874
1850 2013-04-06 19:43:36 <sipa> melvster: current scripts are too restricted for that
1851 2013-04-06 19:43:53 Guest8874 is now known as MAN0l1YO
1852 2013-04-06 19:44:00 <melvster> sipa: you say 'current' scripts .. is it realistic to expect change?
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1854 2013-04-06 19:44:05 <TD> no
1855 2013-04-06 19:44:11 <TD> there is a reason bitcoin uses ECDSA
1856 2013-04-06 19:44:27 <melvster> TD: efficiency?
1857 2013-04-06 19:44:29 <TD> indeed
1858 2013-04-06 19:44:30 <sipa> and size
1859 2013-04-06 19:44:34 <sipa> of signatures and keys
1860 2013-04-06 19:44:36 <TD> same thing :)
1861 2013-04-06 19:44:36 <melvster> sure
1862 2013-04-06 19:44:44 <melvster> i understand that
1863 2013-04-06 19:44:59 <melvster> im just thinking on bootstrap possibilities to grow the user base
1864 2013-04-06 19:45:16 <melvster> i mean i could send paper wallets to an RSA key by encrypting with their pub key
1865 2013-04-06 19:45:19 <TD> hardly anyone uses GPG
1866 2013-04-06 19:45:21 <melvster> but that's a bit inelagnt
1867 2013-04-06 19:45:24 <TD> so that wouldn't help very much
1868 2013-04-06 19:45:25 <sipa> well RSA is more efficient to verify, but has larger keys and signatures
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1870 2013-04-06 19:45:53 <TD> you can just ask somebody for an address via a GPG encrypted conversation
1871 2013-04-06 19:46:10 <melvster> hardly anoyone used bitcoin 3 years ago, but i agree with your point ... im just contemplating what's possible
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1873 2013-04-06 19:46:45 <melvster> i could create an ecdsa key from an rsa private key
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1875 2013-04-06 19:46:54 <melvster> just take the first 256 bits
1876 2013-04-06 19:47:15 <sipa> so?
1877 2013-04-06 19:47:18 <remotemass> Does the difficulty problem get adjusted every two weeks or every 2016 blocks? Can someone point me to the lines of code corresponding to that on github?
1878 2013-04-06 19:47:22 <melvster> sorry just thinking out loud
1879 2013-04-06 19:47:27 <midnightmagic> remotemass: 2016 blocks.
1880 2013-04-06 19:47:32 <scripting> pretty dumb thoughts
1881 2013-04-06 19:48:06 <midnightmagic> remotemass: the target is reset so that 2016 blocks would take another two weeks based on how long it took to do the last 2016, according to the bitcoin distributed timestamp mechanism
1882 2013-04-06 19:48:08 <melvster> i need to read more about scripts
1883 2013-04-06 19:48:29 <melvster> there's almost always a solution to your problems with some clever crypto
1884 2013-04-06 19:48:56 <melvster> my main aim is not to tie together bitcoin and GPG, but rather, to tie together bitcoin and the web
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1886 2013-04-06 19:49:11 <melvster> the web uses RSA keys in lots of places
1887 2013-04-06 19:49:23 <melvster> and some DSA
1888 2013-04-06 19:49:31 <melvster> not too much ECDSA, but we may be able to change that
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1890 2013-04-06 19:50:28 <lianj> melvster: < TD> you can just ask somebody for an address via a GPG encrypted conversation
1891 2013-04-06 19:51:01 <TD> melvster: yeah, i guess my point is that GPG/web of trust is a lot older than bitcoin
1892 2013-04-06 19:51:28 <remotemass> midnightmagic: is that part of main.cpp? Which line on github?
1893 2013-04-06 19:51:43 <melvster> yeah it's true dont get me wrong, im very critical of GPG, the 'strong set' is only about 30k users ... im interested in making things scale
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1895 2013-04-06 19:52:02 <melvster> but at the moment im just learning what's possible, so sorry for the noob questions
1896 2013-04-06 19:52:10 <melvster> i have a reading list now :)
1897 2013-04-06 19:52:14 <lianj> also i dont really trust my ssl cert issuer, its just there so the browser is satisfied and its not plaintext
1898 2013-04-06 19:52:20 <midnightmagic> remotemass: git clone git://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.git ; cd bitcoin grep -nir retarget *
1899 2013-04-06 19:52:28 <midnightmagic> er..  +;
1900 2013-04-06 19:52:53 <melvster> lianj: im sure you know, both clients and servers can have certs, and they can be self signed
1901 2013-04-06 19:53:34 <lianj> melvster: im sure you know its inconvenient for the normal drive-by user
1902 2013-04-06 19:54:25 <melvster> lianj: yes definitely the browser vendors have poor UIs
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1907 2013-04-06 19:55:00 <remotemass> ok
1908 2013-04-06 19:55:02 <remotemass> .
1909 2013-04-06 19:55:05 <remotemass>     CBigNum bnNew;
1910 2013-04-06 19:55:05 <remotemass>     bnNew.SetCompact(pindexLast->nBits);
1911 2013-04-06 19:55:05 <remotemass>     bnNew *= nActualTimespan;
1912 2013-04-06 19:55:05 <remotemass>     bnNew /= nTargetTimespan;
1913 2013-04-06 19:55:05 <remotemass>     if (bnNew > bnProofOfWorkLimit)
1914 2013-04-06 19:55:06 <remotemass>         bnNew = bnProofOfWorkLimit;
1915 2013-04-06 19:55:06 <remotemass> .
1916 2013-04-06 19:55:07 <remotemass> .
1917 2013-04-06 19:55:16 <midnightmagic> remotemass: Please don't paste in channel.
1918 2013-04-06 19:55:29 <remotemass> ok
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1921 2013-04-06 19:57:14 <remotemass> what is the line bnNew.SetCompact(pindexLast->nBits); for?
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1923 2013-04-06 19:57:54 <sipa> converting between the compact 32-bit 'bits' format and the 256-bit representation
1924 2013-04-06 19:58:15 <midnightmagic> remotemass: bn is the BigNum library they use for bitcoin math.
1925 2013-04-06 19:58:35 <remotemass> was just about to ask what was bn
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1927 2013-04-06 19:59:21 <remotemass> dont know about little endian and big endian , yet
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1929 2013-04-06 19:59:37 <sipa> little endian = least significant digit first
1930 2013-04-06 19:59:43 <sipa> big endian = most significant digit first
1931 2013-04-06 19:59:56 <remotemass> ah ok, is simple
1932 2013-04-06 20:00:10 <remotemass> thought was something much more bizarre
1933 2013-04-06 20:01:10 <remotemass> it is getting more clear now
1934 2013-04-06 20:02:46 <Kireji> has anyone built a commandline interface/ncurses client to bitcoind?  googling around for 20 mins seems some interest, but no one has actually done it
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1937 2013-04-06 20:05:10 <gmaxwell> Kireji: bitcoind is a commandline interface to bitcoind.
1938 2013-04-06 20:05:32 <Kireji> gmaxwell: true, and what I'm using all the time.  it's just not *pretty*
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1940 2013-04-06 20:06:33 <sipa> Kireji: do you mean a bitcoin client, or an RPC client?
1941 2013-04-06 20:06:53 <Kireji> I mean an RPC client - an interface
1942 2013-04-06 20:07:15 <midnightmagic> Kireji: I would use any ncurses rpc-based interface you build, especially if it could show me semi-live updates like I were sitting at Pine in an xterm. :)
1943 2013-04-06 20:07:16 <Kireji> UX - nice ledgers, single key interfaces to do common actions
1944 2013-04-06 20:07:31 <Kireji> midnightmagic: exactly
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1946 2013-04-06 20:07:58 <Kireji> I've done a few of these in the past, I use a todo client all the time that I built with ncurses and perl years ago
1947 2013-04-06 20:08:16 <midnightmagic> Kireji: Be careful about benching rpc costs against bitcoind. *It is possible* that some types of RPC commands are extremely impactful.
1948 2013-04-06 20:08:33 <sipa> Kireji: i'm not sure you understand what i mean: you want to create a bitcoin client (i.e. something that shows a wallet/ledger, allows to do transactions, similar to bitcoin-qt), or an RPC client (something like for example ncftp, which just helps writing RPC commands)
1949 2013-04-06 20:08:37 <Kireji> benching?
1950 2013-04-06 20:08:47 <midnightmagic> Kireji: Benchmarking for performance. :)
1951 2013-04-06 20:09:39 <Kireji> sipa: not a bitcoin client, a bitcoin front end that would RPC communicate with bitcoind, and give a consistent and undertandable interface for the user,- in a console
1952 2013-04-06 20:09:47 <midnightmagic> sipa: It sounds like he wants to just interact with bitcoind via RPC for convenience.
1953 2013-04-06 20:09:58 <sipa> Kireji: i'm not talking about how you implement it; i'm asking about the funcionality
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1955 2013-04-06 20:10:32 <sipa> Kireji: because the RPC interface is terrible for writing a wallet interface
1956 2013-04-06 20:10:39 <Kireji> midnightmagic: convenience, and information design - what's important to know; people don't want to be memorizing console commands and digging through wiki pages for docs everytime they want to do something
1957 2013-04-06 20:11:06 <Kireji> sipa: ok.  can you elaborate?
1958 2013-04-06 20:11:16 <sipa> Kireji: well you can only do polling, for instance
1959 2013-04-06 20:11:47 <gmaxwell> Kireji: shell history eliminates the memorization. (Not to discourage you— I'm sure some people would like something else and I encourage you to work on it)
1960 2013-04-06 20:12:02 <gmaxwell> An ncurses block explorer would be radness squared.
1961 2013-04-06 20:12:12 <sipa> Kireji: i'm still not sure what you mean; assuming your project is finished, what does a user see?
1962 2013-04-06 20:12:23 <sipa> Kireji: a list of transactions/addresses, buttons "send transaction", ...
1963 2013-04-06 20:12:26 <midnightmagic> +1 gmaxwell
1964 2013-04-06 20:12:39 <sipa> Kireji: or something like a block explorer?
1965 2013-04-06 20:12:51 <Kireji> sipa: an interface to show that stuff, yes, in an xterm/screen shell
1966 2013-04-06 20:12:53 <sipa> Kireji: or does he see RPC commands and their output, but with an interface that helps writing them
1967 2013-04-06 20:12:58 <sipa> Kireji: WHAT stuff?
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1970 2013-04-06 20:13:59 <Kireji> sipa: I would want a home screen with accounts and balances, and single key commands to common wallet actions like sending bitcoins.  separate screens for ledger and history, drill bown pages for an account to get individual addresses
1971 2013-04-06 20:14:10 <Kireji> very similar to QT wallets
1972 2013-04-06 20:14:16 <Kireji> just text
1973 2013-04-06 20:14:24 <sipa> Kireji: ok, so you want to write a bitcoin client, but use the RPC mechanism to implement it
1974 2013-04-06 20:14:31 <Kireji> yes
1975 2013-04-06 20:14:33 <sipa> Kireji: what i'm getting at is this: there is a reason why bitcoin-qt is not an RPC client, but uses a built-in bitcoin core... the RPC mechanism just isn't good for writing wallets
1976 2013-04-06 20:14:53 <sipa> you can't have hooks for updates to specific transactions or the block chain state, for example
1977 2013-04-06 20:14:55 <Kireji> ok, I got that.  can you elaborate?
1978 2013-04-06 20:15:06 <sipa> the only thing you can do is basically continuously poll all transactions
1979 2013-04-06 20:15:11 <sipa> and see if things change
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1981 2013-04-06 20:15:45 <Kireji> well, that's not idael design, but for my purposes, the current interface (running bitcoind at the command line) is this bad already
1982 2013-04-06 20:16:10 <sipa> well the RPC interface is not really intended to be used by humans
1983 2013-04-06 20:16:20 <Kireji> well, many do.  I do
1984 2013-04-06 20:16:29 <Kireji> it's the only client I've ever used
1985 2013-04-06 20:16:30 <midnightmagic> I do. :)
1986 2013-04-06 20:16:38 <midnightmagic> He might mean directly though..
1987 2013-04-06 20:16:44 <sipa> yes, so do I; but i'd rather have a nice RPC client
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1989 2013-04-06 20:16:48 <sipa> not a wallet
1990 2013-04-06 20:17:00 <sipa> i.e., something with tab completion, knows the types of arguments
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1992 2013-04-06 20:17:09 <sipa> remembers username/password
1993 2013-04-06 20:17:10 <Kireji> sipa: what do you mean by "the RPC interface is not really intended to be used by humans"
1994 2013-04-06 20:17:12 <midnightmagic> I want a nice rpc client that can do clever transactions! :)
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1996 2013-04-06 20:17:34 <sipa> Kireji: the RPC interface is intended for other programs to communicate with bitcoin
1997 2013-04-06 20:17:42 <Kireji> sipa: do you mean people typing "bitcoind getbalance" on the command line?
1998 2013-04-06 20:17:51 <Kireji> or actually writing RPC calls?
1999 2013-04-06 20:18:16 <Kireji> bitcoind acts as both a client and a server for RPC calls as I understand it
2000 2013-04-06 20:18:28 <sipa> Kireji: what i mean is this: bitcoind implements a very naive RPC client, which is just slightly more user-friendly than just writing the JSON-RPC by hand
2001 2013-04-06 20:18:34 <sipa> i would like something more powerful
2002 2013-04-06 20:19:01 <sipa> but i don't care about user interfaces that try to show me a wallet (whether that's a text-based UI or graphical one)
2003 2013-04-06 20:19:13 <Kireji> more pooooowerrr!!!  we all would :)
2004 2013-04-06 20:19:33 <Kireji> so be able to craft more complex transactions?
2005 2013-04-06 20:19:52 <Kireji> or get data from bitcoind that the command line interface doesn't provide?
2006 2013-04-06 20:19:53 <midnightmagic> multisig and combined. yay
2007 2013-04-06 20:20:28 <midnightmagic> lol way to set expectations man
2008 2013-04-06 20:20:52 <sipa> as i said: something that does tab-completions, fixes types, remembers paswords, formats data, ... but is still just an RPC client
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2010 2013-04-06 20:21:03 <sipa> not something that tries to look like a wallet, but uses RPC to implement it
2011 2013-04-06 20:21:04 <midnightmagic> yeah, awesome.
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2013 2013-04-06 20:21:22 <Kireji> sipa: we're on the same page
2014 2013-04-06 20:21:33 <Kireji> I don't use a wallet now, don't want one
2015 2013-04-06 20:21:36 <sipa> Kireji: i don't think so - what you've been describing is a wallet inerface
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2017 2013-04-06 20:21:46 <Kireji> really?
2018 2013-04-06 20:21:52 <Kireji> howso?
2019 2013-04-06 20:21:59 <RAM2012> I have a question about messages attached to transactions...
2020 2013-04-06 20:22:03 <sipa> 21:51:58 < Kireji> sipa: I would want a home screen with accounts and balances, and single key commands to common wallet actions like  sending bitcoins.  separate screens for ledger and history, drill bown pages for an account to get individual  addresses
2021 2013-04-06 20:22:15 <sipa> that sounds exactly like a wallet to me
2022 2013-04-06 20:22:28 <RAM2012> I found this: http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/4707/what-method-does-my-wallet-use-to-encode-messages-in-the-blockchain/4709#4709
2023 2013-04-06 20:22:29 <Kireji> semantics - why would you not want that data available?
2024 2013-04-06 20:22:41 <sipa> Kireji: ??
2025 2013-04-06 20:22:43 <RAM2012> it says messages on transactions are now stored at blockchain.info?
2026 2013-04-06 20:22:47 <sipa> RAM2012: yes
2027 2013-04-06 20:22:53 <sipa> RAM2012: bitcoin transactions do not have messages
2028 2013-04-06 20:23:06 <Kireji> if I'm implementing an RPC client, some of the commands would require the user to have that data
2029 2013-04-06 20:23:18 <sipa> Kireji: i don't think you understand what i mean
2030 2013-04-06 20:23:21 <RAM2012> how do the messages get to blockchain.info? Is that hardcoded into the client?
2031 2013-04-06 20:23:33 <sipa> RAM2012: they have a database that says "transaction X has message Y"
2032 2013-04-06 20:23:48 <Kireji> sipa: I think you think that I think something different. I don't think it means what you think it means.  I think.
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2034 2013-04-06 20:24:08 <sipa> Kireji: haha
2035 2013-04-06 20:24:10 <Kireji> chuckling - (seriosly) I really appreciate the convo
2036 2013-04-06 20:24:21 <RAM2012> I'm trying to figure out a way to put encrypted messages into a blockchain, possible start a blockchain just for this purpose...
2037 2013-04-06 20:24:25 * midnightmagic hugs everybody who's having trouble understanding each other.
2038 2013-04-06 20:24:26 <sipa> RAM2012: DON'T
2039 2013-04-06 20:24:30 <chmod755> it would be great if bitcoin-qt allowed me to specify the address i want to use to send my coins from (like sendfrom / sendmany in bitcoind) - is anyone working on this?
2040 2013-04-06 20:24:34 <Kireji> +! sipa
2041 2013-04-06 20:24:46 <sipa> chmod755: yes
2042 2013-04-06 20:24:57 <chmod755> sipa, oh, great!
2043 2013-04-06 20:25:02 <sipa> chmod755: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2343
2044 2013-04-06 20:25:16 <Kireji> RAM2012: putting encr messages intothe blockchain would be detrimental to the ends of the comunity
2045 2013-04-06 20:25:39 <midnightmagic> He might mean *another* blockchain.
2046 2013-04-06 20:25:43 <sipa> chmod755: i think it's a terrible purpose (users shouldn't need to bother with even the idea that wallets are implemented using different addresses), but I support it as it offers a way for those who are interested to understand the system better
2047 2013-04-06 20:25:51 <Luke-Jr> I hate Google.
2048 2013-04-06 20:25:54 <RAM2012> well if there is already a way for messages to be stored at a server, I could just fork the client and run my own server to handle that load
2049 2013-04-06 20:26:25 <sipa> RAM2012: that'd the most trivial database implementation possible: just store a message linked to a transaction
2050 2013-04-06 20:26:38 <sipa> RAM2012: it's also relatively useless in this setting, as it's completely centralized
2051 2013-04-06 20:26:39 <Kireji> sipa: knowledge of addresses are required to have people conduct transactions, how is it "users shouldn't need to bother with even the idea that wallets are implemented using different addresses" ?
2052 2013-04-06 20:26:42 <RAM2012> like bitcoin-tipbot
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2054 2013-04-06 20:27:00 <chmod755> sipa, maybe it could be hidden unless you enable "advanced features" or something
2055 2013-04-06 20:27:00 <sipa> Kireji: i wish humans wouldn't ever need to see a bitcoin address at all
2056 2013-04-06 20:27:08 <sipa> chmod755: that's exactly what that patch does
2057 2013-04-06 20:27:12 <RAM2012> with encyrpted messaging, and keys being handled in the sandbox of the website it is running on
2058 2013-04-06 20:27:13 <chmod755> haha
2059 2013-04-06 20:27:14 <chmod755> ok
2060 2013-04-06 20:27:32 <Kireji> sipa: how would someone identify a "to" place in intiating a transaction?
2061 2013-04-06 20:27:41 <sipa> Kireji: a name in an address book? a URL?
2062 2013-04-06 20:27:49 <sipa> Kireji: like the payment protocol does
2063 2013-04-06 20:28:11 <RAM2012> why not make a blockchain just for encrypted messaging, with a fast block turnover but low reward
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2066 2013-04-06 20:28:24 <sipa> RAM2012: i think you mean bitmessage?
2067 2013-04-06 20:28:35 <RAM2012> hmmmm
2068 2013-04-06 20:28:37 <TD> why do you want to put a message inside a transaction
2069 2013-04-06 20:28:41 <Kireji> you want wallets/clients to have contact data and hide the addresses. ok, but a lot of te power of what bitcoin enables is that it doesn't depend on identity to function
2070 2013-04-06 20:28:42 <TD> instead, put the transaction inside a message
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2072 2013-04-06 20:29:01 <RAM2012> because encrypted messages in a blockchain is a permanent and public way to store them
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2074 2013-04-06 20:29:25 <Kireji> in so many places, ain so many companies, the "ID" problem stymies progress over and over, and part of bitcoin's system has and will succeed by decoupling ID from transactions
2075 2013-04-06 20:29:39 <RAM2012> so when a transaction is sent, can a message be sent directly to the receiver of the coins?
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2077 2013-04-06 20:29:53 <sipa> Kireji: but even if addresses aren't hidden, the abstraction offered by wallet clients is a ledger with a balance per wallet, and incoming and outgoing transaction from to/from that wallet - a user shouldn't need to know the details of how that is mapped to bitcoin transactions, how splitting/combining coins works, how an address is a hash of a public key, how change addresses work, ...
2078 2013-04-06 20:30:09 <sipa> Kireji: coin control breaks that abstraction, and users shouldn't need to break it
2079 2013-04-06 20:30:22 <sipa> Kireji: however for those who are interested in understand the system, it is nice to be able to
2080 2013-04-06 20:31:10 <sipa> RAM2012: the payment protocol (currenty in development) will allow that, yes
2081 2013-04-06 20:31:25 <RAM2012> the bitmessage site is ... lacking
2082 2013-04-06 20:31:31 <sipa> RAM2012: and the block chain is a horribly inefficient, slow and expensive communication mechanism
2083 2013-04-06 20:31:45 <sipa> RAM2012: i don't see why you would want to use it for sending a piece of private data
2084 2013-04-06 20:32:00 <RAM2012> it is not meant to be an efficient form of communication, but a permanent and secure one
2085 2013-04-06 20:32:33 <RAM2012> if the message can go directly to the receiver, then no need to even use the blockchain?
2086 2013-04-06 20:32:40 <sipa> indeed
2087 2013-04-06 20:32:47 <sipa> we have this thing called the internet
2088 2013-04-06 20:32:48 <gmaxwell> permanent and very very highly public.
2089 2013-04-06 20:32:58 <sipa> it pretty much allows anyone to communicate directly with anyone
2090 2013-04-06 20:33:11 <ryan-c> coin control?
2091 2013-04-06 20:33:11 <RAM2012> which internet site has infinite capacity and is truly distributed, again?
2092 2013-04-06 20:33:21 <sipa> RAM2012: 'site' ?
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2094 2013-04-06 20:33:31 <sipa> i'm talking about the internet, not the world wide web
2095 2013-04-06 20:33:41 <RAM2012> ok, point taken
2096 2013-04-06 20:33:51 <sipa> and the block chain most certainly doesn't have infinite capacity
2097 2013-04-06 20:34:08 <ryan-c> I don't think bitmessage is actually a presistant block chain - not much need for once since they don't so much have double spend concerns
2098 2013-04-06 20:34:22 <sipa> ryan-c: exactly
2099 2013-04-06 20:34:41 <sipa> the block chain is expensive, but it needs to be, as it provides a very high degree of global consistency
2100 2013-04-06 20:34:56 <sipa> something you don't need for sending a private message to a single known party
2101 2013-04-06 20:35:09 <RAM2012> I think it would be a fun gimick to allow people to trigger encrypted messaging to their friends on a diaspora pod, for example, by using a bitcoin-tip command API, and linking coins to messages for the users of the pod
2102 2013-04-06 20:36:21 <RAM2012> or even across servers, a simple command to allow an embedded encrypted message to the receiver in any coin transaction
2103 2013-04-06 20:36:36 <sipa> RAM2012: look up the payment protocol
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2105 2013-04-06 20:36:49 <sipa> RAM2012: it allows all that, but without any server needing to store the message
2106 2013-04-06 20:36:59 <Kireji> sipa: thanks
2107 2013-04-06 20:37:01 <sipa> (it's still in development)
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2110 2013-04-06 20:37:25 <RAM2012> right, but the use of keys is left to the end users then? That is what the tipbot would handle on an end-user site...
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2114 2013-04-06 20:38:50 <RAM2012> I think terracoin would be a good candidate for such a protocol because it has a fast block turnover
2115 2013-04-06 20:39:14 <sipa> private messages don't belong in a block chain
2116 2013-04-06 20:39:28 <sipa> it increases the cost for everyone to maintain it, and nobody is interested in that date
2117 2013-04-06 20:39:38 <gmaxwell> A blockchain has basically no properties that you want for private messages.
2118 2013-04-06 20:39:39 <RAM2012> right, as I understand it, they could go directly in transactions and bypass the blockchain
2119 2013-04-06 20:39:55 <sipa> but transactions are what is stored in the block chain
2120 2013-04-06 20:40:18 <sipa> what the payment protocol does is associate signed meta-data with a transaction, sends it directly to the receiver
2121 2013-04-06 20:40:18 <gmaxwell> RAM2012: you want bitmessage. Go there.
2122 2013-04-06 20:40:35 <sipa> and the receiver gets in the block chain, after stripping the metadata
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2129 2013-04-06 20:43:43 <richweskus> RAM2012: YOU WANT BBM
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2131 2013-04-06 20:44:01 <potar> hello there is an Italian channel?
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2133 2013-04-06 20:44:15 <sipa> blackberry messenger...?
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2135 2013-04-06 20:44:27 <richweskus> Yes
2136 2013-04-06 20:44:35 <richweskus> its the best for chatting to all your BFF's
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2161 2013-04-06 20:55:16 <TheSeven> can someone tell me what the correct output script (in hex) for a simple send-to-pubkey is?
2162 2013-04-06 20:55:27 <TheSeven> (not to pubkey hash or anything compressed, to a plain pubkey)
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2165 2013-04-06 20:57:44 <lianj> TheSeven: Bitcoin::Script.from_string("4678afdb0fe5548271967f1a67130b7105cd6a828e03909a67962e0ea1f61deb649f6bc3f4cef38c4f35504e51ec112de5c384df7ba0b8d578a4c702b6bf11d5f OP_CHECKSIG").to_payload.unpack("H*")[0]
2166 2013-04-06 20:57:48 <lianj> "414678afdb0fe5548271967f1a67130b7105cd6a828e03909a67962e0ea1f61deb649f6bc3f4cef38c4f35504e51ec112de5c384df7ba0b8d578a4c702b6bf11d5f0ac"
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2168 2013-04-06 20:59:12 <TheSeven> so basically just a push and an op_checksig?
2169 2013-04-06 20:59:15 <lianj> ups
2170 2013-04-06 20:59:17 <lianj> Bitcoin::Script.from_string("04678afdb0fe5548271967f1a67130b7105cd6a828e03909a67962e0ea1f61deb649f6bc3f4cef38c4f35504e51ec112de5c384df7ba0b8d578a4c702b6bf11d5f OP_CHECKSIG").to_payload.unpack("H*")[0]
2171 2013-04-06 20:59:23 <lianj> "4104678afdb0fe5548271967f1a67130b7105cd6a828e03909a67962e0ea1f61deb649f6bc3f4cef38c4f35504e51ec112de5c384df7ba0b8d578a4c702b6bf11d5fac"
2172 2013-04-06 20:59:38 <sipa> TheSeven: indeed, push the pubkey + OP_CHECKSIG
2173 2013-04-06 20:59:44 <TheSeven> ok, perfect
2174 2013-04-06 20:59:45 <lianj> TheSeven: yep
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2179 2013-04-06 21:01:51 <TheSeven> why is it 65 bytes btw? is there some header/version byte in the pubkey?
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2182 2013-04-06 21:02:34 <sipa> indeed
2183 2013-04-06 21:02:45 <sipa> 0x04 for uncompressed pubkeys, and 0x02 or 0x03 for compressed ones
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2185 2013-04-06 21:02:53 <TheSeven> ok, that's the same for testnet and mainnet?
2186 2013-04-06 21:03:16 <sipa> that's standard ECDSA
2187 2013-04-06 21:03:20 <sipa> it has nothing to do with bitcoin
2188 2013-04-06 21:03:24 <TheSeven> ok
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2192 2013-04-06 21:06:13 <cultavix> :)
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2195 2013-04-06 21:08:21 <TD> yay, bcj0.8 multibit test release coming on monday or tuesday
2196 2013-04-06 21:08:48 <sipa> \o/
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2200 2013-04-06 21:10:38 <gmaxwell> TD: what was ultimately the cause of the issue for that guy who couldn't get to that private key in multibit?
2201 2013-04-06 21:10:47 <TD> i don't know. he never replied to me.
2202 2013-04-06 21:11:12 <gmaxwell> ah, he must have had the multibit dev help him them. He said _someone_ I sent him to saved him, I'd assumed it was you.
2203 2013-04-06 21:11:17 <TheSeven> hm, if I export a privkey, patch up the version and hash in the base58check representation, and import that key into testnet, would that work?
2204 2013-04-06 21:11:19 <TD> nope. must have been jim.
2205 2013-04-06 21:11:24 <TD> i'll ask jim what the issue was
2206 2013-04-06 21:11:39 <TD> bitcoinj has no "export" code, so i don't know what might have happened there
2207 2013-04-06 21:11:44 <sipa> TheSeven: yes, depending on what you call 'work'
2208 2013-04-06 21:11:51 <sipa> TheSeven: it will be a valid secret key
2209 2013-04-06 21:12:00 <TheSeven> have the same public key as in mainnet
2210 2013-04-06 21:12:06 <gmaxwell> TD: as mentioned it wasn't just export. Payments to the address in question were't showing up either. so who knows..
2211 2013-04-06 21:12:31 <TD> yeah. i'll ask him what's up with that. there was an old version that had a bug that could miss payments, but i don't recall now if the guy said he was on the latest version or not
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2213 2013-04-06 21:13:06 <sipa> \o/ 411us for ECDSA verification on 32-bit
2214 2013-04-06 21:13:18 <sipa> (using GMP)
2215 2013-04-06 21:13:25 <TD> wow
2216 2013-04-06 21:13:28 <TD> is that a new record?
2217 2013-04-06 21:13:34 <sipa> for 32-bit, yes
2218 2013-04-06 21:13:40 <sipa> for 64-bit, i'm down to 96us :)
2219 2013-04-06 21:13:40 <gmaxwell> TD: thats really slow, but for 32 bit its much better.
2220 2013-04-06 21:13:49 <gmaxwell> sipa: what was the issue?
2221 2013-04-06 21:14:14 <sipa> gmaxwell: just a new field implementation using GMP (instead of just C code using uint64_t)
2222 2013-04-06 21:14:34 <gmaxwell> oh dear. lol.
2223 2013-04-06 21:14:43 <sipa> that same implementation is not faster than C code using __int128 on 64-bit, but on 32-bit it, it's faster
2224 2013-04-06 21:15:07 <TD> 100us. so 10,000 sigs per second per core?
2225 2013-04-06 21:15:27 <sipa> TD: there is some overhead in bitcoin itself too (~ 20us afaik)
2226 2013-04-06 21:15:36 <TD> well, the hashing and so on, yes
2227 2013-04-06 21:15:37 <sipa> for constructing the message hash
2228 2013-04-06 21:15:44 <TD> serialization
2229 2013-04-06 21:15:46 <TD> still
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2231 2013-04-06 21:15:57 <TD> 10,000 sigs per second per core with stock secp256k1 is mighty impressive
2232 2013-04-06 21:16:13 <sipa> it's within 20% of ed25519, i think
2233 2013-04-06 21:16:13 <gmaxwell> Thats why this curve is attractive…
2234 2013-04-06 21:16:32 <TD> it was a highly fortunate choice indeed
2235 2013-04-06 21:16:37 <TD> given that it was basically a random one
2236 2013-04-06 21:17:22 <sipa> stock OpenSSL needs around 600us on 64-bit, and around twice that on 32-bit
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2240 2013-04-06 21:18:09 <gmaxwell> I dunno, if was as random as he made it sound. It fits or needs well. It avoids a ton of binary field patents that someone could use to go after bitcoin businesses and it's agreeable to fast implementations. .. and it existed.
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2242 2013-04-06 21:18:33 <sipa> and there were known (but unimplemented) optimizations for that curve specifically
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2244 2013-04-06 21:19:05 <gmaxwell> Yes. I was known to be agreeable to optimization.
2245 2013-04-06 21:19:10 <gmaxwell> er.. lol. IT
2246 2013-04-06 21:19:20 * sipa optimizes gmaxwell
2247 2013-04-06 21:19:39 * gmaxwell *poof*
2248 2013-04-06 21:19:50 <sipa> damn, vanished into a puff of logic
2249 2013-04-06 21:20:00 <midnightmagic> gmaxwell is god?
2250 2013-04-06 21:20:01 <chmod755> gmaxwell is much faster now
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2252 2013-04-06 21:20:10 <chmod755> ;;gmaxwelllag
2253 2013-04-06 21:20:10 <gribble> Error: "gmaxwelllag" is not a valid command.
2254 2013-04-06 21:20:30 <sipa> midnightmagic: op, god, what's the difference?
2255 2013-04-06 21:20:45 <midnightmagic> We'll never know. Douglas Adams is dead now.
2256 2013-04-06 21:20:47 <midnightmagic> :`(
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2259 2013-04-06 21:24:24 * TheSeven wonders why ppcoin signs the block header with the pubkey of the first coinbase txn output
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2262 2013-04-06 21:25:32 <TD> gmaxwell: yeah. i'm not sure if he really considered all those factors, but it worked out well regardless
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2267 2013-04-06 21:25:53 * TD logs on to ebanking to send some payments the old fashioned way
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2275 2013-04-06 21:37:00 <dust-otc> if all nodes on the network are shut down, what happens?
2276 2013-04-06 21:37:10 <dust-otc> do the first two nodes back online assume they have the longest chains?
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2278 2013-04-06 21:37:50 <sipa> well, every nodes always assumes it has the longest chain
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2280 2013-04-06 21:38:43 <dust-otc> k, and they would just get orphaned/updated when a node with a longer chain came online
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2283 2013-04-06 21:40:32 <dust-otc> unless there is a single node on the network, in which case it assumes it just isn't connected
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2285 2013-04-06 21:41:13 <TD> sipa: was wondering if you have any plans to do anything on pruning?
2286 2013-04-06 21:41:23 <sipa> TD: sure
2287 2013-04-06 21:41:28 <denisx> TheSeven: still fighting the endianess? ;)
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2289 2013-04-06 21:41:37 <TD> cool
2290 2013-04-06 21:41:54 <sipa> TD: but we first need a consensus about how to advertize prunedness in network bits, and which degrees
2291 2013-04-06 21:41:58 <TD> i guess the next step is to put block heights into addr messages?
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2293 2013-04-06 21:42:13 <TD> as in "i have deleted all blocks below height X"
2294 2013-04-06 21:42:38 <sipa> well, you could have a bit saying "i serve the last 2016 blocks" for example
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2296 2013-04-06 21:43:02 <sipa> and one "i only relay new blocks"
2297 2013-04-06 21:43:29 <sipa> or something like that, so new nodes that aren't far behind can use a larger set of nodes to resync from
2298 2013-04-06 21:43:45 <TD> does it have to be a service bit?
2299 2013-04-06 21:43:46 <denisx> sipa: that would be cool for pools ;)
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2301 2013-04-06 21:43:48 <TD> can't we add new fields to addr?
2302 2013-04-06 21:44:03 <sipa> i suppose we can
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2304 2013-04-06 21:44:16 <sipa> but that's information that won't be relayed by old nodes
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2309 2013-04-06 21:47:18 <TD> oh, right. i thought addr was like tx, it had support for having more data tacked on the end.
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2311 2013-04-06 21:48:16 <TD> perhaps both then …. a service bit indicating that the node is pruning, and new fields in addr so as time goes by you can directly find nodes that have enough blocks for you
2312 2013-04-06 21:48:36 <TD> and/or a new protocol message that says "send me addrs for nodes that have at least N blocks"
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2314 2013-04-06 21:49:53 <TD> it looks like we're reaching 250kb blocks again, but this time without satoshidice whales
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2316 2013-04-06 21:50:30 <TD> hm, interesting. http://blockchain.info/tx/8b0371ebe3fa924d5c8d45fff5923c7514dcfcaeed426d1c792653aca5f41dd2
2317 2013-04-06 21:51:01 <TD> looks like someone might be embedding a message using multisig outputs
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2320 2013-04-06 21:52:48 <TD> i wonder what it is
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2325 2013-04-06 21:55:59 * HM muses
2326 2013-04-06 21:56:35 <cyphase> would it be fair to call 6 blocks/hour the "ideal rate" of block generation?
2327 2013-04-06 21:57:03 <cyphase> i know it's what the network aims for, but i'm not positive about the word "ideal"
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2331 2013-04-06 21:57:46 <willphase> TD: also https://blockchain.info/tx/1588e206e99bff32683a50a26e26fe67ebc8e67fb9689f70d914f6bb5c3e3923
2332 2013-04-06 21:57:52 <TD> yeah, there are several of them
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2334 2013-04-06 21:58:13 <TD> hm
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2336 2013-04-06 21:58:37 <HM> cyphase: it's a trade-off
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2338 2013-04-06 21:59:04 <TD> cyphase: it's hard to know, really.
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2340 2013-04-06 21:59:13 <TD> cyphase: the variables involved have/can/will change over time
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2342 2013-04-06 22:01:30 <cyphase> what's a better word then? i'm writing something like (if i was going to use "ideal"), "at the ideal rate of 6 blocks per hour, 144 blocks would take 24 hours"
2343 2013-04-06 22:01:48 <TD> average
2344 2013-04-06 22:02:18 <cyphase> yea, i thought about that.. i guess it'll work
2345 2013-04-06 22:02:44 <cyphase> it seems like the rate is usually over 6 bph
2346 2013-04-06 22:03:00 <HM> it's a fanciable time :)
2347 2013-04-06 22:03:09 <CodeShark> hmm, interesting - looking at the strings in blk00052.dat
2348 2013-04-06 22:03:14 <CodeShark> there's some source code in there
2349 2013-04-06 22:04:39 <CodeShark> #!/usr/bin/python3
2350 2013-04-06 22:04:40 <CodeShark> # File insertion tool for Bitcoin
2351 2013-04-06 22:05:15 <CodeShark> looks like someone embedded some python code for a tool for embedding files into bitcoin :)
2352 2013-04-06 22:05:20 <HM> yo dawg, i heard you like your file insertion tools to insert themselves using your file insertion tools
2353 2013-04-06 22:05:28 <TD> # (c) 2A013 Satoshi Nakamoto All Rights Reserved
2354 2013-04-06 22:05:32 <TD> somehow i am doubting that
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2356 2013-04-06 22:05:40 <cyphase> i heard you like code so i put some code in your code so you can code while you code
2357 2013-04-06 22:05:42 <cyphase> lol
2358 2013-04-06 22:05:45 <TD> # UNAUTHORIZED DUPLICASQATION AND/OR USAGE OF THIS PROGRAM IS PROHIBITED BY US AND INTERNAATIONAL COPYRIGHT LAW
2359 2013-04-06 22:05:45 <cyphase> code-ception
2360 2013-04-06 22:05:46 <TD> hahaha
2361 2013-04-06 22:05:56 <HM> Someones going to get sued
2362 2013-04-06 22:06:03 <HM> Can you work out how much it cost to insert?
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2364 2013-04-06 22:06:10 <TD> lame
2365 2013-04-06 22:06:29 <TD> i'm not sure which transactions that is
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2367 2013-04-06 22:06:52 <cyphase> it's a self-hosting file insertion tool
2368 2013-04-06 22:06:58 <TD> indeed
2369 2013-04-06 22:08:02 <cyphase> actually, i think a self-hosting file insertion tool is a virus. or at least a virus is a self-hosting file insertion tool
2370 2013-04-06 22:08:03 <TD> i guess it's the source of the multisig transactions, judging from the source code
2371 2013-04-06 22:08:05 <cyphase> anyway
2372 2013-04-06 22:08:50 <HM> actually that's a good point
2373 2013-04-06 22:09:16 <HM> it could be annoying if AV software scanned the blockchain and identified it as a virus because of arbitrary bytes
2374 2013-04-06 22:09:24 <cyphase> lol
2375 2013-04-06 22:09:25 <HM> e.g. if you pushed an EXE file in to it
2376 2013-04-06 22:09:36 <cyphase> "We've detected a virus. Deleting your money now.."
2377 2013-04-06 22:09:54 <iwilcox> VIRUS FOUND IN BITCOIN, PANIC SELL ENSUES
2378 2013-04-06 22:10:04 <HM> nah, it might have DoS potential though
2379 2013-04-06 22:10:21 <TD> i suspect the contiguous byte runs wouldn't be long enough to trigger AV quarantine
2380 2013-04-06 22:10:23 <K1773R> CodeShark: blk00052? huh, high number
2381 2013-04-06 22:10:24 <TD> but yes, that'd be annoying
2382 2013-04-06 22:10:31 <HM> especially if you can get something like Microsofts AV detecting it
2383 2013-04-06 22:10:33 <cyphase> maybe miners should start running av software before verifying blocks
2384 2013-04-06 22:10:44 <CodeShark> K1773R: whatever the most recent block file you got
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2386 2013-04-06 22:11:26 <flyingkiwiguy> better if the AV vendors whitelist Bitcoin data files
2387 2013-04-06 22:11:30 <kuzetsa> a transaction with an eicar test pattern might do it hehe
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2390 2013-04-06 22:13:02 <CodeShark> and then after the file inserting source code, there's a couple URLs about ami firmware source code leaked and wikileaks
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2392 2013-04-06 22:14:03 <CodeShark> including a pdf file
2393 2013-04-06 22:14:07 <HM> kinda sad
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2395 2013-04-06 22:14:07 <CodeShark> encoded into bitcoin :p
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2397 2013-04-06 22:14:22 <CodeShark> lol
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2399 2013-04-06 22:15:14 <K1773R> how do you browse it? with $ strings ?
2400 2013-04-06 22:15:24 <CodeShark> yeah
2401 2013-04-06 22:15:31 <K1773R> bytes value?
2402 2013-04-06 22:15:51 <CodeShark> just do strings -a <filename> -n <minimum length>
2403 2013-04-06 22:15:53 <HM> nom nom nom
2404 2013-04-06 22:16:04 <K1773R> ok, 1 mom
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2406 2013-04-06 22:16:15 <Andi__> hi!
2407 2013-04-06 22:16:17 <Andi__> question: what about the private keys in the wallet.dat ? are they completely independent to each other ? or hava i to make a new wallet.dat do bekom unindependent private keys ?
2408 2013-04-06 22:16:22 <flyingkiwiguy> Kaminski's hack seems to not be visible anymore since the move off BDB
2409 2013-04-06 22:16:35 <K1773R> what minlen did you set?
2410 2013-04-06 22:16:43 <CodeShark> Andi__: they are all independently generated by OpenSSL's RNG
2411 2013-04-06 22:17:13 <flyingkiwiguy> *Kaminsky's
2412 2013-04-06 22:17:25 <CodeShark> no more ASCII Bernanke? :p
2413 2013-04-06 22:17:55 <sipa> flyingkiwiguy: i don't see how BDB is related to that at all
2414 2013-04-06 22:18:03 <sipa> the block files are still in exactly the same format
2415 2013-04-06 22:18:06 <Andi__> ok thanks! sereral different private keys in one wallet is equal to various wallets with one private key in each ?
2416 2013-04-06 22:18:19 <sipa> Andi__: more or less
2417 2013-04-06 22:18:36 <HM> there should be something dedicated to cyprus in there
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2419 2013-04-06 22:19:58 <flyingkiwiguy> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=BUB3dygQ
2420 2013-04-06 22:20:06 <Andi__> what means more or less ? i dont want all bitcoins accessable with only on  private key and no im not sure if i shoud make more wallets or just serveral private keys in one wallet
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2423 2013-04-06 22:21:34 <K1773R> found it (didnt sync since 32h)
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2426 2013-04-06 22:22:19 <CodeShark> Andi__: a single wallet with multiple private keys is no less secure than multiple wallets each with a single key (unless you scatter the wallet files across the globe)
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2428 2013-04-06 22:22:58 <CodeShark> the former is far more convenient as far as usability, though
2429 2013-04-06 22:23:23 <TD> CodeShark: a pdf?
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2432 2013-04-06 22:23:49 <Andi__> ok that what i wanted to know thanks. My wallet is on an offline pc an blocks are only transferes with usb stick to that pc... wallet is not on facebook :)
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2434 2013-04-06 22:24:13 <CodeShark> TD: there are a bunch of lines that look like
2435 2013-04-06 22:24:14 <CodeShark> <</Type/Font/Subtype/TArueType/BaseFont/FAAAAA+TimesNewRomanPS-ItalicMT
2436 2013-04-06 22:24:23 <TD> hm
2437 2013-04-06 22:24:38 * TD is somewhat curious but not enough to bother decoding it
2438 2013-04-06 22:25:20 <lianj> someone already found what this new multisig ones contain?
2439 2013-04-06 22:25:23 <K1773R> yes, seems like a pdf
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2441 2013-04-06 22:25:40 <TD> lianj: a program for uploading files to the block chain
2442 2013-04-06 22:25:45 <TD> lianj: and a pdf of something, it seems
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2444 2013-04-06 22:26:39 <K1773R> google dosnt know about the script, yet
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2446 2013-04-06 22:27:20 <flyingkiwiguy> correction - still can see Kaminsky's hack, was looking in the wrong block
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2448 2013-04-06 22:29:13 <K1773R> there are some random A and S\nQA which have to be removed
2449 2013-04-06 22:29:35 <CodeShark> oh, and also there's the ati firmware source
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2451 2013-04-06 22:29:53 <lianj> K1773R: are we talking about http://blockchain.info/tx/8b0371ebe3fa924d5c8d45fff5923c7514dcfcaeed426d1c792653aca5f41dd2 only?
2452 2013-04-06 22:29:53 <CodeShark> err, ami
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2454 2013-04-06 22:30:23 <CodeShark> the ami source code along with a signing private key
2455 2013-04-06 22:30:27 <CodeShark> is now part of the block chain :p
2456 2013-04-06 22:30:47 <upb> the whole source code????
2457 2013-04-06 22:30:57 <CodeShark> well, I just see a bunch of hex bytes
2458 2013-04-06 22:31:09 <upb> it was a test key anyway so
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2462 2013-04-06 22:31:57 <TheSeven> denisx: different project this time
2463 2013-04-06 22:32:08 <TheSeven> now I have this pubkey: 049908BEF0377F688C4B993856BA98DA2EB4B592733F4A9660374AFFE1A88894587C47710B4FB624C22702B24E22B7AB1DC2E7A52DBCC9E66603307626C1F45D58
2464 2013-04-06 22:32:28 <K1773R> lianj: tons of txs
2465 2013-04-06 22:32:42 <TheSeven> that should (assuming testnet, so version 111) have the address mmZxV6bWiUUGD5HF42qJQzZrnEh831e9wG
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2468 2013-04-06 22:33:54 <TheSeven> which means that the ripemd160 hash of the above pubkey should be 42622959d2ad1553ee23c13ef3c3b8a3e4ac2358
2469 2013-04-06 22:33:54 <TD> ugh
2470 2013-04-06 22:34:12 <TD> someone thinks that code is more important than it really is
2471 2013-04-06 22:34:56 <HM> lol yeah
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2474 2013-04-06 22:35:34 <TheSeven> however, the above pubkey, if run through bitcoind's Hash160 function, produces d42dac266f08106f91dee3c7c7a3bfa1d375e596
2475 2013-04-06 22:35:40 <K1773R> TD: dont tell me u dont look at it too :P
2476 2013-04-06 22:35:53 <HM> I'm impressed that the Bitcoin Wallet app on Android is only using 40 MB
2477 2013-04-06 22:35:55 <lianj> TheSeven: i get muGpY1Mkh5dpnKPUTyiwXPL5ecPiaMUbWD for your pubkey using testnet3
2478 2013-04-06 22:35:57 <TD> look at what?
2479 2013-04-06 22:36:00 <HM> I know it's not a full client but that's a nice size
2480 2013-04-06 22:36:07 <TD> HM: the beta version uses much, much less
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2482 2013-04-06 22:36:14 <K1773R> at the blockchain ;)
2483 2013-04-06 22:36:16 <HM> oh really? cool
2484 2013-04-06 22:36:21 <HM> what changed?
2485 2013-04-06 22:36:42 <TD> it doesn't store all the headers any more. just a couple of months worth
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2495 2013-04-06 22:39:11 <lianj> TheSeven: also the hash160 is 96e575d3a1bfa3c7c7e3de916f10086f26ac2dd4, not d42dac266f08106f91dee3c7c7a3bfa1d375e596
2496 2013-04-06 22:39:48 <TheSeven> hm, endianness again
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2502 2013-04-06 22:43:44 <TD> HM: beta app will probably be promoted to full on monday or some time next week
2503 2013-04-06 22:43:52 <TD> as there haven't been any problem reports from the test period
2504 2013-04-06 22:44:15 <TD> but you won't get the storage space savings unless you replay the chain, i don't think Goonie_ implemented any upgrade for old users
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2506 2013-04-06 22:45:41 <Goonie_> TD: not yet. Maybe I will in future.
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2508 2013-04-06 22:45:55 <TD> ok
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2515 2013-04-06 22:54:47 <K1773R> interesting scripts
2516 2013-04-06 22:55:51 <Goonie_> TD: what do you think of my optimizations btw.?
2517 2013-04-06 22:56:01 <TD> i didn't review the code yet
2518 2013-04-06 22:56:04 <TD> but the concept sounds good
2519 2013-04-06 22:56:21 <TD> i'll probably change Transaction to deserialize inputs/outputs on demand at some point, which should be a more powerful memory saving
2520 2013-04-06 22:56:24 <TD> but your changes are good for now
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2526 2013-04-06 23:01:27 <Goonie_> cool
2527 2013-04-06 23:01:27 * TD -> sleep
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2532 2013-04-06 23:05:55 <K1773R> TheSeven: how its going?
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2535 2013-04-06 23:05:55 <TheSeven> K1773R: turns out the root cause is that bitcoind won't find a private key if I call *pwalletMain.GetKey on an uncompressed pubkey
2536 2013-04-06 23:05:55 <K1773R> then use this: https://www.bitaddress.org
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2538 2013-04-06 23:09:42 <TheSeven> wtf. I managed to orphan one of my own testnet blocks? :P
2539 2013-04-06 23:09:42 <K1773R> btw, 96e575d3a1bfa3c7c7e3de916f10086f26ac2dd4 as hex equals 1EksExGmt4Ca1CurkQkZhU7knco1fhhX2X, no tx's yet
2540 2013-04-06 23:10:30 <K1773R> or if we take yours (which ever was the right one) we get 1LLty3gmQgYfc7H3XravC2WaMCAxbAPBui, no tx's too
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2542 2013-04-06 23:11:37 <lianj> K1773R: its 1EksExGmt4Ca1CurkQkZhU7knco1fhhX2X on mainnet and muGpY1Mkh5dpnKPUTyiwXPL5ecPiaMUbWD on testnet3. he asked about testnet
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2546 2013-04-06 23:17:35 <K1773R> im done cleaning up the scripts :)
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2548 2013-04-06 23:17:37 <K1773R> the script itself should work on testnet too, nice
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2551 2013-04-06 23:24:08 <K1773R> anyone else checking the script?
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2554 2013-04-06 23:26:28 <sipa> *crickets*
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2559 2013-04-06 23:37:17 <K1773R> well, the guy failed a bit. the download script has a lil problem :P
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2572 2013-04-06 23:50:24 <K1773R> alright, the first file he uploaded were ilegal primes from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_prime
2573 2013-04-06 23:50:35 <K1773R> btw, anyone interested about a summary on btctalk?
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2578 2013-04-06 23:54:24 <clav8> I'm using the standard bitcoind config but a user is complaining that tx fees aren't being included. has anyone tinkered with these settings? I thought bitcoind would include it by default when required?
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