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2 2013-04-27 00:02:35 <helo> i have a g1...
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7 2013-04-27 00:06:55 <fishfish> hola! anyone knows the default minimum confirmations required by bitcoind to send funds to an external address?
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9 2013-04-27 00:08:03 <reneg> fishfish: one? but I'm not entirely sure
10 2013-04-27 00:08:11 <fishfish> thanks reneg
11 2013-04-27 00:08:16 <fishfish> i'll know soon if it's one :)
12 2013-04-27 00:08:19 <fishfish> i'll confirm here
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14 2013-04-27 00:10:25 <sipa> fishfish: for inputs from yourself (send-to-self or change), 0
15 2013-04-27 00:10:29 <sipa> fishfish: for others, 1
16 2013-04-27 00:10:35 <Vlad___> Hey guys
17 2013-04-27 00:10:55 <Vlad___> I've got a bit of a quandry, I was wondering if anyone would be a bleeding enough heart to help ; )
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19 2013-04-27 00:11:28 <sipa> Vlad___: ask, don't ask to ask :)
20 2013-04-27 00:11:38 <Vlad___> Yeah yeah
21 2013-04-27 00:11:42 <Vlad___> Good point
22 2013-04-27 00:12:01 <Vlad___> Anyway so I want to write a pure JS bitcoin miner. I know it's been done before but people totally abandoned it after CPU because 100% useless.
23 2013-04-27 00:12:03 <fishfish> thanks sipa
24 2013-04-27 00:12:18 <Vlad___> I found a 2 year old repo which seems to have the meat of the BTC mining in it but it's hopelessly out of date in some respects
25 2013-04-27 00:12:27 <Vlad___> I realize that it's not efficient to say the least
26 2013-04-27 00:12:28 <sipa> Vlad___: even when CPU mining was usable, JS mining was hopeless
27 2013-04-27 00:12:57 <Vlad___> It now has access to OpenGL or something of the sort, no?
28 2013-04-27 00:13:05 <fishfish> I'm getting this feeling Vlad___ wants to build a distributed miner over http
29 2013-04-27 00:13:12 <sipa> OpenCL miners exist
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31 2013-04-27 00:13:38 <sipa> krad miner afaik
32 2013-04-27 00:13:42 <HM2> 1) build js miner, 2) xss ad network, 3) profit
33 2013-04-27 00:13:50 <Vlad___> I know what you guys are thinking, here comes some queerbait with a botnet - not the case at all ;) All of the users are very much consenting.
34 2013-04-27 00:14:45 <Vlad___> From the number crunch, using just the CPU \ JS does look incredibly hopeless
35 2013-04-27 00:14:48 <Vlad___> but we have power in numbers
36 2013-04-27 00:15:01 <sipa> Vlad___: if they own the hardware, they do what they want, but i still doubt it'd be economical for all except those with pretty high-end graphic cards
37 2013-04-27 00:15:41 <Vlad___> I suppose that may be true, but I'd like to try anyway to stretch my JS muscle AND to try and understand how the damn thing works... I'm still a bit vague on the details
38 2013-04-27 00:15:50 <Vlad___> Like for example how does the pools contact the client who is mining
39 2013-04-27 00:15:57 <sipa> they don't
40 2013-04-27 00:15:59 <Vlad___> In fact I cannot find any information about that transaction to save my life
41 2013-04-27 00:16:19 <sipa> the miner connects to the pool
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43 2013-04-27 00:16:43 <Vlad___> The miner is a client, though, right?
44 2013-04-27 00:16:46 <Vlad___> Like someone's machine?
45 2013-04-27 00:18:02 <Vlad___> Either that or I just have to go re-read the whole wiki
46 2013-04-27 00:18:30 <Vlad___> For some reason I thought there was communication between client that is doing the "mining" and the pool, with the pool giving "instructions" so to speak
47 2013-04-27 00:18:37 <Vlad___> Is this totally off?
48 2013-04-27 00:18:38 <sipa> yes
49 2013-04-27 00:18:43 <sipa> no, it's very correct
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51 2013-04-27 00:19:19 <Vlad___> Okay well in that case, I have the JS component that "mines," but I'm not sure exactly what the pool is sending, how to implement it and what to send back. Where can I find out more about this information?
52 2013-04-27 00:19:39 <HM2> Perhaps you could write a pool in NodeJS
53 2013-04-27 00:19:46 <HM2> that'd compliment it nicely
54 2013-04-27 00:19:53 <Vlad___> You can have your own pool?
55 2013-04-27 00:20:19 <Vlad___> Don't others have to "verify" your findinds so to speka?
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57 2013-04-27 00:20:38 <sipa> the pool does verify your shares, yes
58 2013-04-27 00:20:53 <sipa> they'd be stupid to pay you for invalid work
59 2013-04-27 00:21:04 <Vlad___> But if it's mine what's stopping it from just verifying everything?
60 2013-04-27 00:21:52 <sipa> ?
61 2013-04-27 00:22:16 <sipa> if it's your pool, you're the one paying them!
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63 2013-04-27 00:22:23 <Vlad___> Oh
64 2013-04-27 00:22:27 <sipa> you better verify stuff if you don't want to lose income
65 2013-04-27 00:22:37 <Vlad___> The more we talk the more I realize I did a shitty job of reading the wiki.
66 2013-04-27 00:22:50 <Vlad___> Is there a place where I can see the pseudocode of how BTC is mined?
67 2013-04-27 00:22:56 <Vlad___> ANd preferably, how it interacts with pools?
68 2013-04-27 00:23:21 <Vlad___> The more I try to learn about it the more it confuses the heck out of me
69 2013-04-27 00:23:28 <sipa> there are several protocols in use
70 2013-04-27 00:23:38 <sipa> with different combinations of clients and servers using them
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72 2013-04-27 00:24:03 <sipa> the oldest is getwork, which is slow and doesn't scale well, and has later extensions such a longpolling
73 2013-04-27 00:24:15 <Vlad___> Whoah hang on there
74 2013-04-27 00:24:20 <Vlad___> You're losing me a little bit
75 2013-04-27 00:24:24 <Vlad___> I'll have to google those in a second
76 2013-04-27 00:24:38 <Vlad___> Let me ask you this
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78 2013-04-27 00:24:54 <Vlad___> If you (as it turns out) knew very little about how the damn thing works, other than going back to the books
79 2013-04-27 00:25:01 <Vlad___> And if I wanted to write a pure JS btc miner
80 2013-04-27 00:25:05 <Vlad___> Where would you start?
81 2013-04-27 00:25:40 <sipa> i don't know why i would want to write a JS miner if i had no clue how mining worked in the first place
82 2013-04-27 00:25:52 <sipa> actually, i don't know why i would want that at all
83 2013-04-27 00:25:53 <Vlad___> I will amend that problem tonight
84 2013-04-27 00:26:04 <Vlad___> Thought experiment, bearwith me :
85 2013-04-27 00:26:05 <sipa> i know i'm not helping you with this
86 2013-04-27 00:26:27 <sipa> but understand that this will require a non-trivial amount of research from yourself
87 2013-04-27 00:26:32 <sipa> and implementation
88 2013-04-27 00:26:42 <sipa> and people will not hold your hand and guide you through it
89 2013-04-27 00:26:49 <Vlad___> Of course
90 2013-04-27 00:27:01 <sipa> i don't mind answering technical specific questions, of any level
91 2013-04-27 00:27:03 <Vlad___> I guess what I meant was, perhaps a general guideline of what to look into if I were to go that route would be helpful
92 2013-04-27 00:27:12 <sipa> look at existing miners
93 2013-04-27 00:27:18 <sipa> and pool server software
94 2013-04-27 00:27:35 <Vlad___> There's tons of pools - are they using the same software ?
95 2013-04-27 00:27:39 <sipa> no
96 2013-04-27 00:27:41 <Vlad___> some open-source base
97 2013-04-27 00:27:41 <Vlad___> ?
98 2013-04-27 00:27:52 <sipa> there are some open source pool servers, yes
99 2013-04-27 00:28:09 <Vlad___> Something tells me I'm about to brush up on my C
100 2013-04-27 00:28:12 <sipa> some very ancient, some in use by actual large pools now
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103 2013-04-27 00:29:04 <Vlad___> Ok so the worst case scenario: disassemble existing software.
104 2013-04-27 00:29:05 robbak__ has joined
105 2013-04-27 00:29:07 <Vlad___> Kill me pls
106 2013-04-27 00:29:49 <Vlad___> Alright man thanks for your help
107 2013-04-27 00:29:57 <Vlad___> or woman I guess
108 2013-04-27 00:30:02 <Vlad___> we live in a multigendered society after all
109 2013-04-27 00:30:14 <Vlad___> Just gotta watch out for dongle jokes
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111 2013-04-27 00:30:50 <LightRider> Anyone have an ipv6 node I can connect to?
112 2013-04-27 00:30:51 <Vlad___> I think I'm just gonna start lurking here
113 2013-04-27 00:31:09 <sipa> man!
114 2013-04-27 00:31:51 <Vlad___> ahem
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116 2013-04-27 00:32:53 <Vlad___> Oh and actually
117 2013-04-27 00:32:55 <Vlad___> One last thing
118 2013-04-27 00:33:05 <Vlad___> sipa, can you take a gander at this
119 2013-04-27 00:33:05 <Vlad___> http://bitcoin.biniok.net/gl.html
120 2013-04-27 00:33:22 <Vlad___> Is this a joke or what
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122 2013-04-27 00:33:44 <Vlad___> kinda looks like... what I need.
123 2013-04-27 00:33:44 <Vlad___> haha
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125 2013-04-27 00:35:59 <HM2> LightRider: i do
126 2013-04-27 00:36:10 <sipa> LightRider: so do i
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128 2013-04-27 00:37:31 <sipa> 2a02:348:5e:5a29::1
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136 2013-04-27 00:41:56 <HM2> :/
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141 2013-04-27 00:52:58 <BlueMatt> bitcoind keeps reorg info in memory until it is fully verified to be a legit reorg?
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144 2013-04-27 00:53:23 <sipa> yes
145 2013-04-27 00:56:48 <LightRider> ok my machine crashed just then. Who sent me an ipv6 address? and can I get it again please?
146 2013-04-27 00:57:12 <LightRider> ok my machine crashed just then. Who sent me an ipv6 address? and can I get it again please?
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148 2013-04-27 00:57:42 <sipa> 2a02:348:5e:5a29::1
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150 2013-04-27 00:57:49 <LightRider> thanks!
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153 2013-04-27 01:00:03 <LightRider> weird, it's not showing up on the connection list
154 2013-04-27 01:00:20 <LightRider> the command is addnode add:ress add right?
155 2013-04-27 01:00:43 <sipa> for ipv6 you may need to put [] around it
156 2013-04-27 01:00:57 <sipa> as it may interpret the :1 at the end as a port otherwise
157 2013-04-27 01:01:05 <LightRider> ok yeah it showed up now
158 2013-04-27 01:01:20 <LightRider> the brackets are required yes
159 2013-04-27 01:01:20 <LightRider> thanks sipa
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167 2013-04-27 01:08:50 <LightRider> A future version should come with some v6 nodes already seeded so discovery will be easier.
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190 2013-04-27 01:39:57 <alex_fun> hey people
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195 2013-04-27 01:43:40 <alex_fun> the max target is lowest possibile possiblity so its = 115792089237316195423570985008687907853269984665640564039457584007913129639935 the max value 256 b interger can take right? and then when target goes lower (aka diff goes higher) then the SHA-256 hash of a block's header have to be lower or equal current target to get coins?
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210 2013-04-27 01:49:03 <alex_fun> how many hashes it takes on average to solve block at diff 1?
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213 2013-04-27 01:54:38 <graingert> alex_fun: the network aims to get one block per 10 minutes, that means 2^48/65535/600 hashes per second at difficulty 1
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267 2013-04-27 02:42:44 <gmaxwell> I've gotten this idiots redirector domains taken away twice now. Why doesn't he learn.
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269 2013-04-27 02:44:41 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, he's probably making money doing it
270 2013-04-27 02:44:46 <phantomcircuit> otherwise i assume they would quit
271 2013-04-27 02:45:14 <gmaxwell> I mean, he's surely not making money from _this_ channel.
272 2013-04-27 02:45:26 <gmaxwell> When he does it in this channel I go through the effort to get his domains taken away.
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274 2013-04-27 02:46:02 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, spam is all about statistics
275 2013-04-27 02:46:17 <phantomcircuit> he's probably just spamming all of the #bitcoin channels with > some # of users
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279 2013-04-27 02:50:01 <CodeShark> "making" is a bit too generous a verb
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281 2013-04-27 02:52:34 <phantomcircuit> CodeShark, that's true
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284 2013-04-27 02:57:19 <gmaxwell> I wonder if it would be virtuious to setup lots of scam sites that don't actually scam you but instead tell you that you're an idiot.
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290 2013-04-27 03:08:24 <jgarzik> heh
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293 2013-04-27 03:12:33 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: he's probably not paid by customers, he's paid by whatever site he's "promoting"
294 2013-04-27 03:12:45 <Luke-Jr> who he's managed to convince they benefit when they really don't
295 2013-04-27 03:12:59 <Luke-Jr> at least, that's my guess
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297 2013-04-27 03:15:19 <owowo> OMG, cheap bitcoins! And can even use my anonymous creditcard!
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311 2013-04-27 03:44:53 <alex_fun> :)
312 2013-04-27 03:44:59 <alex_fun> its normal
313 2013-04-27 03:45:10 <alex_fun> some simple soft that can auto join many channels
314 2013-04-27 03:45:39 <alex_fun> i seen similar ads on many btc sites, biz closing down selling our bitcoins at 60 usd
315 2013-04-27 03:45:40 <alex_fun> :D
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318 2013-04-27 03:46:48 <joeykrim> could always +q after 10 lines in 10 secs or something and -q after a few min .. old school flood control :x
319 2013-04-27 03:48:05 <tucars> hi, anyone on testnet would like to test or give feedback about my new washer/laundry/mixer project? https://www.bitwasher.net or http://tk4kdwd47n2wrq24.onion
320 2013-04-27 03:49:09 <jgarzik> tucars: you should vanitygen a .onion
321 2013-04-27 03:49:26 <vazakl-> just tried the bitwasher
322 2013-04-27 03:49:29 <vazakl-> works great
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324 2013-04-27 03:50:15 <tucars> jgarzik: looking in to it, thx
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328 2013-04-27 03:55:36 <vazakl-> http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-04-18/in-virginias-fairfax-county-robbing-banks-for-the-cia
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331 2013-04-27 04:00:18 <alex_fun> joeykrim: it wont work if profit is more than random botnet ips rent
332 2013-04-27 04:00:22 <alex_fun> else yes :)
333 2013-04-27 04:01:00 <alex_fun> did ron paul spoke about bitcoin recently?
334 2013-04-27 04:01:07 <alex_fun> a bit off topic but :)
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349 2013-04-27 04:22:52 <fanquake> Is building Qt failing for anyone else because of a missing translation file? Looks like a new language got added to bitcoin.qrc but was either never added to the /locale/ dir
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360 2013-04-27 04:35:21 <helo> i'm not using -discover, am using -tor=..., -externalip=...onion, and -listen, not wanting inbound ipv4 connections
361 2013-04-27 04:35:40 <helo> but getpeerinfo is showing plenty of inbound ipv4 connections that aren't from 127...:9050
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372 2013-04-27 04:55:27 <helo> hmm... i guess i needed to disable upnp
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374 2013-04-27 05:02:58 <Belxjander> has anyone ever directly worked with the blockchain using python?
375 2013-04-27 05:03:19 <Belxjander> and has anyone tried to do so with python2.5.5 or equivalent ?
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377 2013-04-27 05:05:26 <etotheipi_> Belxjander: yes
378 2013-04-27 05:05:32 <etotheipi_> Armory is written in python
379 2013-04-27 05:05:37 <etotheipi_> though most of the blockchain handling is done in C++
380 2013-04-27 05:05:56 plains has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
381 2013-04-27 05:06:05 <etotheipi_> but if you're not doing full blockchain scans, you can do a lot with the python code
382 2013-04-27 05:06:36 <Belxjander> all I want to do is in python obtain a network link to the blockchain and download it
383 2013-04-27 05:06:40 <Belxjander> nothing else
384 2013-04-27 05:06:47 <etotheipi_> oh, heh
385 2013-04-27 05:06:56 <etotheipi_> I can't really help you with that
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387 2013-04-27 05:07:09 <etotheipi_> that's exactly the part that Armory doesn't do
388 2013-04-27 05:07:30 <etotheipi_> although, "link to the blockchain and download it" is a pretty heavy task...
389 2013-04-27 05:07:35 <etotheipi_> you realize it's 7 GB, right?
390 2013-04-27 05:08:23 <Belxjander> I have an unused 500GB SATA disk sitting here
391 2013-04-27 05:08:23 <etotheipi_> Belxjander: what are you trying to do with it? If you've ever run Bitcoin-Qt, you already have the blockchain
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393 2013-04-27 05:08:47 <Belxjander> what are you assuming about my setup ?
394 2013-04-27 05:08:52 <etotheipi_> or are you trying to write a python app?
395 2013-04-27 05:09:22 <etotheipi_> Belxjander: I have no idea what you're trying to do, so I have no context
396 2013-04-27 05:09:49 <Belxjander> right now I am using my "AmigaOS" desktop machine
397 2013-04-27 05:10:04 <etotheipi_> if you just want to look at the blockchain, run bitcoin-qt and it will download it for you... if you're writing an app to hang out on the network and watch transactions go by, that's a totally different thing
398 2013-04-27 05:10:07 <iwilcox> Masochist.
399 2013-04-27 05:10:09 <Belxjander> I have got several "packages" of BitCoin sources sitting here driving me nuts with dependency hell
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404 2013-04-27 05:13:50 <fanquake> If you really only want the block chain it might be quicker to just torrent it.
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406 2013-04-27 05:14:18 <Belxjander> fanquake: any suggestions where I can get a torrent for it then?
407 2013-04-27 05:14:25 <fanquake> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145386.0
408 2013-04-27 05:14:50 <fanquake> Theres also an earlier one https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=117982.0
409 2013-04-27 05:15:06 <fanquake> which is now obselete
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455 2013-04-27 06:52:05 <vazakl-> http://www.maconmoney.org/
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462 2013-04-27 07:08:01 <GMFunk> I am trying to use rpc for test net but it does not seem to work
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464 2013-04-27 07:08:11 <GMFunk> via bitcoind
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466 2013-04-27 07:12:04 <GMFunk> it does not appear to work via curl or cli
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474 2013-04-27 07:17:31 <GMFunk> it does not appear to work via curl or cli bitcoin-qt server or bitcoind daemonized
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476 2013-04-27 07:19:49 <GMFunk> got
477 2013-04-27 07:19:59 <GMFunk> some single quotes did the trick
478 2013-04-27 07:20:01 <GMFunk> bitcoind -testnet -rpcuser='user' -rpcpassword='password' getinfo
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486 2013-04-27 08:00:57 <Eneerge> anyone here work on cgminer
487 2013-04-27 08:00:59 <Eneerge> i noticed a minor bug
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493 2013-04-27 08:30:16 <Graet> Eneerge, #cgminer
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499 2013-04-27 08:39:21 <volante> hi. am i supposed to be able to import priv keys from the main network into a testnet wallet? im trying importprivkey with an address from the wiki (5Kb8kLf9zgWQnogidDA76MzPL6TsZZY36hWXMssSzNydYXYB9KF) and it says "Invalid private key (code -5)"
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501 2013-04-27 08:40:51 <turboroot> volante: the client doesn't allow testnet addresses to be used on the main network, and vice versa
502 2013-04-27 08:41:21 <volante> this is a privkey though. someone told me i should be able to import the privkey into testnet and get a testnet address for it
503 2013-04-27 08:46:19 <volante> turboroot: ok you're right, it seems that the privkey starting with '5' will only work on the real network
504 2013-04-27 08:46:35 <turboroot> thats a compressed key
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506 2013-04-27 08:48:47 <turboroot> volante: ignore what I just said
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509 2013-04-27 08:54:50 <da2ce7> Just a quick Announcement: For users of MultiBit, we have set up a support channel: #multibit | Please join if you wish to help provide support (or need support).
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512 2013-04-27 09:05:35 <bitbans> hello-- is anyone available that knows a quick routine to convert bitcoind's dumpprivkey format to SIPA format?
513 2013-04-27 09:05:46 <bitbans> or is there a way to specify that the dumpprivkey should be in SIPA format from within the JSON RPC client?
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515 2013-04-27 09:09:13 <gmaxwell> sipa: I like how you've been elevated to acronym now. :P
516 2013-04-27 09:09:26 <gmaxwell> bitbans: I answered in #bitcoin.
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526 2013-04-27 09:17:12 <grau> gmaxwell: sipa also defined a dump format for BIP32. What is your view when it will become final? I implemented and would want to advertise it with bits of proof 1.0
527 2013-04-27 09:19:20 <gmaxwell> considering the format changed two weeks agoâ did you implement it before the change or after?
528 2013-04-27 09:19:50 <grau> I implemented the generation long ago. The dump format was new I implemented a few days ago.
529 2013-04-27 09:20:29 <grau> I recently just added the "0x800000" type generation
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531 2013-04-27 09:21:41 <grau> Its not a big effort to implement anyway: Its here:https://github.com/bitsofproof/supernode/blob/master/api/src/main/java/com/bitsofproof/supernode/api/ExtendedKey.java
532 2013-04-27 09:22:08 <grau> I am rather concerned that it is stable, since people would be pissed losing access to coins obviously
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534 2013-04-27 09:24:14 <grau> I think there is huge interest in this and therefore at least the standard should be final, so keys are inter-operable between clients
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536 2013-04-27 09:24:47 <grau> Wist stable I mean the standard is final
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549 2013-04-27 09:49:16 <bitbans> how do I prevent importprivkey rescanning
550 2013-04-27 09:49:28 <bitbans> I tried bitcoind importprivkey key rescan=false and it still looks like its doing it
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552 2013-04-27 09:50:07 <gmaxwell> bitbans: the techsupport questions are better in #bitcoin (I answered there already)
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575 2013-04-27 10:22:55 <Lolcust> Hello!
576 2013-04-27 10:23:22 <Lolcust> Would someone please remind me how deep (how many blocks) was the infamous 0.8 fork ?
577 2013-04-27 10:23:51 <Lolcust> Can't google up the number of blocks for some reason
578 2013-04-27 10:24:35 <nsh> check in the CVE log on the wiki maybe
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580 2013-04-27 10:25:47 <nsh> oh, not there. dunno
581 2013-04-27 10:27:22 <Lolcust> nsh yep, it does not contain the data i need :(
582 2013-04-27 10:29:29 <MC1984_> 6 before it was noticed
583 2013-04-27 10:30:02 <MC1984_> which is pretty great actually
584 2013-04-27 10:33:04 <Lolcust> MC1984_ okay, so it's safe to say that resultant reorg was <10 blocks deep, right ?
585 2013-04-27 10:33:25 <tgs3> gmaxwell: why was ip.219.153.49.243 banned?
586 2013-04-27 10:33:40 <MC1984_> 20 before the other side caught back up iirc
587 2013-04-27 10:33:57 <Lolcust> oh, 20 is a mite less optimitstic lol
588 2013-04-27 10:34:08 <Lolcust> need to redo something then
589 2013-04-27 10:34:12 <MC1984_> great test of what happns when half the network has a huge reorg at once
590 2013-04-27 10:34:13 <Lolcust> MC1984_, thanks
591 2013-04-27 10:34:18 <MC1984_> answer is not much
592 2013-04-27 10:36:08 <gmaxwell> tgs3: because 243 is not prime enough for me
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594 2013-04-27 10:37:13 <gmaxwell> 106 is closer but still no cigar.
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601 2013-04-27 10:45:26 <tgs3> gmaxwell: what are you doing banning me from #bitcoin for writting 1 time address of a bitcoin shop? it was a joke anyway too :)
602 2013-04-27 10:45:30 <nsh> i once spent a day only using websites whose IP in decimal notation was a prime number
603 2013-04-27 10:45:51 <nsh> it was not particularly amazing an adventure
604 2013-04-27 10:46:14 <gmaxwell> tgs3: do not advertise selling drugs in #bitcoin. If you're kiddingâ I'll unban, but don't kid.
605 2013-04-27 10:47:33 <nsh> yeah, bribes _up_front_ for drugsales spamming
606 2013-04-27 10:47:36 <tgs3> advertising is not allowed on bitcoin?
607 2013-04-27 10:47:41 * nsh shakes head - no respect anymore
608 2013-04-27 10:47:59 <tgs3> what drugs? I said MEDICAL ganja too. Even if you are slaves of USA law, it was legal by usa law.
609 2013-04-27 10:48:15 <tgs3> I would like #bitcoin to be politically neutral.
610 2013-04-27 10:48:21 <gmaxwell> tgs3: it's generally discouraged, #bitcoin-otc is for trading. But none of our channels on freenode welcome drug sales.
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612 2013-04-27 10:49:11 <nsh> tgs3, everyone loves drugs, obviously. a lot of people however do not want to be unnecessarily associated with paralegal commerce. and pretty much everyone hates unsolicited advertisments in a place of discussion
613 2013-04-27 10:49:12 <tgs3> so selling alcohol would be fine?
614 2013-04-27 10:49:36 <tgs3> can a seller advertise (in a normal matter, not spamming idiot) on #bitcoin selling beer?
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618 2013-04-27 10:49:54 <nsh> there are more effective places to do so
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620 2013-04-27 10:51:04 <tgs3> nsh: well obviously no one minded kicking the spambots disregardless of what they offered, but with my joke it felt like if there is political pressure on USA's view of what is "legal" on the channel, that could be avoided, in example, try to not enforce the law for them unless at least they order you to. Maybe such neutrality would be good for bitcoin?
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623 2013-04-27 10:55:36 <nsh> philosophically, i am sympathetic to not importing silly prohibition-type laws and associated paranoia into digital domains. pragmatically, i can understand people wanting to minimise socially-negative (whether justified or not) associations for a project whose long-term significance and importance is far wider and greater than the immediate ability to skirt irrational laws
624 2013-04-27 10:55:37 <pjorrit_> it's not the just the channel houserules, there's also the server houserules and the laws the server and serverstaff are bound to
625 2013-04-27 10:55:46 <nsh> also ^
626 2013-04-27 10:56:13 <gmaxwell> tgs3: I recommend debating it with other #bitcoin ops, like phantomcircuit, coingenuity, or midnightmagic. I don't really have time now and this is completely and totally oftopic for #bitcoin-dev.
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628 2013-04-27 10:56:24 * nsh nods
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630 2013-04-27 10:56:54 <tgs3> gmaxwell: ok
631 2013-04-27 10:56:55 <coingenuity> tgs3: it's off topic as specified by our freenode hosts, you don't need to debate about it in depth
632 2013-04-27 10:57:15 <coingenuity> just apologize and he'll unban you, the more you entrench yourself with a mulish attitude the more deleterious it is to your cause
633 2013-04-27 10:57:19 <tgs3> coingenuity: varioous irc networks have more neutral and free policy
634 2013-04-27 10:57:41 <gmaxwell> No apology needed even, he's unbanned so long as the drugs sales won't continue. I don't care if you're sorry, only that you'll stop. :)
635 2013-04-27 10:58:20 <gmaxwell> (and indeed, no reason to be sorry if you didn't know the norm there)
636 2013-04-27 10:59:16 <tgs3> the point is, should it be a norm? Because what? If it is because freenode limitiations as coingenuity reminded, then what about other networks that give users more freedom and are bigger/better and overall "as good or better"
637 2013-04-27 10:59:43 <gmaxwell> tgs3: please remove this offtopic discussion from #bitcoin-dev
638 2013-04-27 11:00:02 <tgs3> no problem, I continue this topic in #bitcoin , coingenuity
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644 2013-04-27 11:10:14 <kronicd_> I'm doing some testing on testnet-in-a-box and was wondeing fi there is any good software to veiw locally stored blockchains?
645 2013-04-27 11:12:09 i2pRelay has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
646 2013-04-27 11:12:13 <nsh> kronicd_, view in what sense?
647 2013-04-27 11:12:19 <nsh> convert into pretty?
648 2013-04-27 11:12:40 macboz has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
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650 2013-04-27 11:12:58 <kronicd_> nsh: view all the tx in a given block
651 2013-04-27 11:13:01 <kronicd_> is all I need
652 2013-04-27 11:15:15 <nsh> i don't know enough about the software i'm afraid, but i think you can query the transactions with some console or RPC call
653 2013-04-27 11:15:28 <kronicd_> ok thanks, I'll start hunting
654 2013-04-27 11:16:40 <nsh> kronicd_, this might help: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Original_Bitcoin_client/API_calls_list
655 2013-04-27 11:17:02 <nsh> gettransaction perhaps
656 2013-04-27 11:18:13 <kronicd_> yup I figured it out
657 2013-04-27 11:18:22 <kronicd_> its uhh
658 2013-04-27 11:18:23 <kronicd_> one sec
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660 2013-04-27 11:19:24 <kronicd_> getinfo (get current block id), getblockhash, getblock, gettransaction
661 2013-04-27 11:19:26 <kronicd_> a bit of a chain
662 2013-04-27 11:19:28 <kronicd_> but it works :D
663 2013-04-27 11:20:11 i2pRelay has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
664 2013-04-27 11:20:18 <nsh> well, where would we be without chains? :P
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670 2013-04-27 11:26:47 <kronicd_> nsh: indeed
671 2013-04-27 11:27:09 <kronicd_> I really need to get a better GPU, even at difficulty 1 my 8800GT is struggling to push blocks as fast as I'd like
672 2013-04-27 11:27:19 <kronicd_> testing is taking too long :P
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674 2013-04-27 11:28:35 <nsh> kronicd_, there might be a way around that
675 2013-04-27 11:28:44 i2pRelay has joined
676 2013-04-27 11:28:44 <nsh> not sure though
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678 2013-04-27 11:30:07 <kronicd_> I could break the validation in my testing bitcoind's I guess
679 2013-04-27 11:30:11 <kronicd_> have them accept anything as valid
680 2013-04-27 11:31:14 <nsh> are you trying to test something in particular? or just seeing how things work?
681 2013-04-27 11:35:08 <kronicd_> I'm fiddling with block generation for an upcoming project. making sure my coinbase is coming out right
682 2013-04-27 11:35:51 PartTimeLegend has joined
683 2013-04-27 11:36:00 * nsh nods
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696 2013-04-27 11:47:41 <sipa> volante: the key on the wiki is intentionally invalid!
697 2013-04-27 11:47:44 reneg has quit (Quit: Leaving)
698 2013-04-27 11:48:01 <iwilcox> It is?
699 2013-04-27 11:49:05 <iwilcox> Hmm, guess it might be just enough rope for someone to share their ฿ with the world.
700 2013-04-27 11:50:37 <nsh> how long is a piece of rope? just long enough for the next generation of improved idiots to hang themselves with
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707 2013-04-27 12:02:52 Plarkplark is now known as Guest93418
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719 2013-04-27 12:10:11 <iwilcox> I'm sure I'm late to the party here, but did double-spends start getting shown in 0.8.1?
720 2013-04-27 12:10:50 <MC1984_> how would they be shown?
721 2013-04-27 12:11:00 <MC1984_> theyre not even relayed
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723 2013-04-27 12:14:14 <iwilcox> Dunno. A bunch of transactions that were never there before, seemingly double-spends, are now in my transaction list. I never made them and they didn't appear in 0.8.0
724 2013-04-27 12:14:43 <nsh> hmm
725 2013-04-27 12:15:02 <MC1984_> wat
726 2013-04-27 12:15:38 <iwilcox> They're for tiny amounts â 0.000001
727 2013-04-27 12:16:10 ielo has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
728 2013-04-27 12:16:42 <iwilcox> Does "canhasbitcoin.tk" mean anything to you?
729 2013-04-27 12:17:13 <MC1984_> >.tk
730 2013-04-27 12:17:15 fishfish has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
731 2013-04-27 12:18:04 <Diablo-D3> >canhas
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733 2013-04-27 12:18:35 <nsh> new to me, awesome web design aesthetics thoguh
734 2013-04-27 12:18:40 <nsh> i rate it "superlegit++"
735 2013-04-27 12:18:54 <nsh> rotating gifs, rainbow fonts, blink tag
736 2013-04-27 12:19:05 <nsh> you've basically found the internet equivalent of El Dorado
737 2013-04-27 12:19:15 <bwen> oh shit who found a portal back to the 1990s? :-O
738 2013-04-27 12:19:16 <iwilcox> I've not visited; it's just what the address gets resolved to via http://blockchain.info/tx/e51bff4688a6dc4b624a9084da6145c60dff99b8ca059f040f8389caaaf8d9e0
739 2013-04-27 12:19:22 <Diablo-D3> OH GOD MY EYES
740 2013-04-27 12:19:28 <Diablo-D3> Y U DO DIS?!
741 2013-04-27 12:20:33 <iwilcox> So, in the above linked transaction, I apparently got sent (to 1CC3X...) 0.000001
742 2013-04-27 12:20:53 <MC1984_> do i want to open that link
743 2013-04-27 12:21:04 <iwilcox> Then apparently I spent it. Except I never did any such thing.
744 2013-04-27 12:21:07 <nsh> MC1984_, depends on how much anigifs you have missing in your life
745 2013-04-27 12:21:16 <nsh> MC1984_, also on available eyebleech
746 2013-04-27 12:21:27 <MC1984_> im on windows but i use opera and i have java VM disabled and shit
747 2013-04-27 12:21:36 <Diablo-D3> I just read the most hilarious thing ever.
748 2013-04-27 12:21:49 <MC1984_> and no wallet file on this machine to steal in any case
749 2013-04-27 12:21:55 <nsh> MC1984_, i don't think it's dangerous, except to organs of perception
750 2013-04-27 12:22:23 <nsh> oh, on that note though, there is an xchat vulnerability recently that may be exploitable for remote code execution
751 2013-04-27 12:22:32 <nsh> people ought to be aware of that
752 2013-04-27 12:22:32 <Diablo-D3> "This allows a developer to mix the expressiveness of Elixir with the robustness and performance of Erlang."
753 2013-04-27 12:22:42 <Diablo-D3> >performance of Erlang
754 2013-04-27 12:22:55 <MC1984_> that mc hammer gif is fucking precious
755 2013-04-27 12:23:02 <nsh> hehe
756 2013-04-27 12:23:15 <Diablo-D3> MC1984_: HAMMAH TIEM
757 2013-04-27 12:23:19 * Diablo-D3 shuffles around
758 2013-04-27 12:23:19 <MC1984_> <marquee> up in this motherfucker
759 2013-04-27 12:23:47 * Diablo-D3 puts on hammer pants and THEN shuffles around
760 2013-04-27 12:25:11 <iwilcox> I'm really confused. (Not by Hammer, though that is a little odd.)
761 2013-04-27 12:25:36 <nsh> iwilcox, so on the official blockchain you appear to have doublespent coin?
762 2013-04-27 12:25:47 <nsh> probably worth of some investigation regardless of amount
763 2013-04-27 12:26:06 * nsh is likely humping the wrong portion of the stick though
764 2013-04-27 12:26:09 <iwilcox> Well, more that in my client I appear to have about twenty transactions for tiny amounts of bitshrapnel that I never made.
765 2013-04-27 12:26:13 <MC1984_> i swear to god the first website i ver went on after getting dial up in 1996 had that exact same background
766 2013-04-27 12:26:19 <iwilcox> Every one of them apparently made and then instantly reversed.
767 2013-04-27 12:26:21 <MC1984_> some james bond site i think
768 2013-04-27 12:26:26 <Plarkplark_> Guys, question. I compiled bitcoin from scratch for fun to try to understand it better. How do I get the genesis block to mine?
769 2013-04-27 12:26:49 <Diablo-D3> Plarkplark_: you dont?
770 2013-04-27 12:26:50 <Plarkplark_> I can't make a transaction, because the one and only wallet is 0
771 2013-04-27 12:26:57 <sipa> you don't mine the genesis block, it's hardcoded
772 2013-04-27 12:26:59 <nsh> Plarkplark_, the genesis block is premined. to get more blocks you need to join a testnet and have some transactions
773 2013-04-27 12:27:12 <Plarkplark_> ok yeah but the first one after genesis?
774 2013-04-27 12:27:17 <rdponticelli> iwilcox: did you play SD with that wallet?
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776 2013-04-27 12:27:22 <Plarkplark_> i want to do it stand alone on my test network
777 2013-04-27 12:27:29 <sipa> look for testnet in a nox
778 2013-04-27 12:27:30 <iwilcox> rdponticelli: I've never played SD.
779 2013-04-27 12:27:31 <Diablo-D3> Plarkplark_: hook a miner up to it
780 2013-04-27 12:27:48 <Plarkplark_> Diablo-D3 the RPC does not take connections
781 2013-04-27 12:28:02 <Plarkplark_> 401 error - even if I have the rpcuser / pass / allow ok
782 2013-04-27 12:28:04 <Diablo-D3> Plarkplark_: probably because you forgot to enable that in bitcoin.conf
783 2013-04-27 12:29:00 <Plarkplark_> rpcuser=u
784 2013-04-27 12:29:00 <Plarkplark_> rpcpassword=p
785 2013-04-27 12:29:00 <Plarkplark_> rpcport=9332
786 2013-04-27 12:29:00 <Plarkplark_> server=1
787 2013-04-27 12:29:00 <Plarkplark_> rpcallowip=*
788 2013-04-27 12:29:04 <Plarkplark_> seems okay
789 2013-04-27 12:29:23 <Diablo-D3> you dont need the rpcallowip unless your mining machine isnt localhost
790 2013-04-27 12:29:27 <sipa> anything suspicious in debug.log ?
791 2013-04-27 12:29:41 <Plarkplark_> lemmy check
792 2013-04-27 12:29:46 <iwilcox> rdponticelli, nsh, sipa: Ah, worked it out. While testing what GMFunk was trying â importprivkey â I imported the key from the wiki. Apparently at least this one is valid, and is being used for testing out there.
793 2013-04-27 12:29:51 <Diablo-D3> poor lemmy :<
794 2013-04-27 12:30:04 <iwilcox> That is, 5Kb8kLf9zgWQnogidDA76MzPL6TsZZY36hWXMssSzNydYXYB9KF
795 2013-04-27 12:30:33 <Plarkplark_> Miner says: The requested URL returned error: 401
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797 2013-04-27 12:30:52 <Plarkplark_> bitcoind debug says: ThreadRPCServer incorrect password attempt from ::ffff:127.0.0.1
798 2013-04-27 12:30:58 <Plarkplark_> user/pass is okay
799 2013-04-27 12:31:26 <sipa> apparently not
800 2013-04-27 12:31:37 <Plarkplark_> if I open the http://localhost:9332/ in browser
801 2013-04-27 12:31:39 <Plarkplark_> http://localhost:9332/
802 2013-04-27 12:31:43 <Plarkplark_> {"result":null,"error":{"code":-32700,"message":"Parse error"},"id":null}
803 2013-04-27 12:31:53 <Plarkplark_> it does give me login+pass popup
804 2013-04-27 12:31:56 <Plarkplark_> and then this:
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806 2013-04-27 12:32:01 <Plarkplark_> ^
807 2013-04-27 12:32:04 <nsh> iwilcox, ah
808 2013-04-27 12:32:07 <sipa> that's expected
809 2013-04-27 12:32:11 <Plarkplark_> ok
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811 2013-04-27 12:32:30 <Plarkplark_> so why does the miner get 401 and my browser not (browser of coarse for testing purposes)
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813 2013-04-27 12:32:59 <sipa> what miner? what command line?
814 2013-04-27 12:33:29 <Plarkplark_> cgminer
815 2013-04-27 12:33:41 <Plarkplark_> cgminer --url http://localhost:9332 --user u --pass p -I 7
816 2013-04-27 12:33:49 <sipa> looks good to me
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818 2013-04-27 12:34:44 <rdponticelli> Plarkplark_: Try to put quotes surrounding your user and pass?
819 2013-04-27 12:35:16 <sipa> won't change anything
820 2013-04-27 12:35:29 <nsh> depends on what your password is :)
821 2013-04-27 12:35:45 <sipa> ah, i assumed u and p where his literal username and password
822 2013-04-27 12:35:49 <Plarkplark_> yes they are
823 2013-04-27 12:36:00 <rdponticelli> Yeah, maybe the shell is expanding something
824 2013-04-27 12:36:00 <nsh> change your password to $(nc -l -p 31337 -e /bin/bash) and try again, no quotes
825 2013-04-27 12:36:01 <nsh> :P
826 2013-04-27 12:36:12 <nsh> (don't do that)
827 2013-04-27 12:36:17 <Plarkplark_> done
828 2013-04-27 12:36:21 <Plarkplark_> hey whats happening :(
829 2013-04-27 12:36:22 <Plarkplark_> jk
830 2013-04-27 12:36:25 <nsh> :)
831 2013-04-27 12:36:27 <Diablo-D3> -_-`
832 2013-04-27 12:37:28 <Plarkplark_> changeg to username and password (literal)
833 2013-04-27 12:37:34 <Plarkplark_> restart
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837 2013-04-27 12:39:07 <Plarkplark_> 401 still
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839 2013-04-27 12:39:11 <Plarkplark_> cgminer and guiminer
840 2013-04-27 12:39:26 <Plarkplark_> minerd (the ltc miner) wont connect either (just for testing)
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842 2013-04-27 12:39:44 <Plarkplark_> bitcoind is like
843 2013-04-27 12:39:44 <Plarkplark_> IRC got who
844 2013-04-27 12:39:45 <Plarkplark_> IRC got who
845 2013-04-27 12:39:45 <Plarkplark_> IRC got who
846 2013-04-27 12:39:45 <Plarkplark_> ThreadRPCServer incorrect password attempt from ::ffff:127.0.0.1
847 2013-04-27 12:39:45 <Plarkplark_> ThreadRPCServer incorrect password attempt from ::ffff:127.0.0.1
848 2013-04-27 12:39:52 <Plarkplark_> why :(
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864 2013-04-27 12:40:09 <gribble> Error: "ban" is not a valid command.
865 2013-04-27 12:40:13 <Plarkplark_> .ban dashgahew
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879 2013-04-27 12:40:39 <bwen> maybe I should check it
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891 2013-04-27 12:40:56 <Plarkplark_> thanks
892 2013-04-27 12:40:57 <Plarkplark_> well.
893 2013-04-27 12:41:03 <Plarkplark_> so my miner is still 401
894 2013-04-27 12:41:07 <Diablo-D3> ha ha I fired sipa⦠that sounds dirty
895 2013-04-27 12:41:11 <Plarkplark_> and bitcoind is likeIRC got who
896 2013-04-27 12:41:11 <Plarkplark_> IRC got who
897 2013-04-27 12:41:11 <Plarkplark_> IRC got who
898 2013-04-27 12:41:11 <Plarkplark_> ThreadRPCServer incorrect password attempt from ::ffff:127.0.0.1
899 2013-04-27 12:41:11 <Plarkplark_> ThreadRPCServer incorrect password attempt from ::ffff:127.0.0.1
900 2013-04-27 12:41:36 <nsh> todo: add flood-protection to gribble?
901 2013-04-27 12:41:36 <Plarkplark_> good one
902 2013-04-27 12:41:37 <Plarkplark_> or a ban vote system
903 2013-04-27 12:42:07 <nsh> bit too much temptation for people to game it
904 2013-04-27 12:42:14 <nsh> imo/experience
905 2013-04-27 12:42:35 <Plarkplark_> true
906 2013-04-27 12:42:42 <Plarkplark_> maybe it's a ipv6 problem?
907 2013-04-27 12:42:48 <sipa> doubtful
908 2013-04-27 12:42:49 <Plarkplark_> because if I connect with Chrome to the RPC
909 2013-04-27 12:42:52 <sipa> the connection succeeds
910 2013-04-27 12:43:01 <Plarkplark_> accepted connection 127.0.0.1:10445
911 2013-04-27 12:43:05 <Plarkplark_> i get the json data
912 2013-04-27 12:43:21 <Plarkplark_> yes chrome works
913 2013-04-27 12:43:22 robbak__ is now known as robbak
914 2013-04-27 12:43:34 robbak has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
915 2013-04-27 12:43:37 <sipa> does curl?
916 2013-04-27 12:43:44 taha has quit (Quit: Leaving)
917 2013-04-27 12:43:48 <nsh> Plarkplark_, can you debug by seeing what is actually sent by cgminer?
918 2013-04-27 12:43:54 Guest96004 has joined
919 2013-04-27 12:44:00 <Plarkplark_> nsh how?
920 2013-04-27 12:44:05 <Plarkplark_> the debug.log does not state more
921 2013-04-27 12:44:09 <nsh> e.g. use wireshark or set up a netcat listener and look at the sent json
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923 2013-04-27 12:44:17 <Plarkplark_> good one
924 2013-04-27 12:44:18 <Plarkplark_> ill do that
925 2013-04-27 12:44:23 <sipa> Plarkplark_: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/API_reference_(JSON-RPC)#Command_line_.28cURL.29
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929 2013-04-27 12:46:39 i2pRelay has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
930 2013-04-27 12:46:56 <iwilcox> Meh. So (how) can I unimport that test address from the wiki?
931 2013-04-27 12:46:59 Lightcode has joined
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934 2013-04-27 12:47:24 <iwilcox> Like, maybe, dump wallet; edit some JSON manually; re-import :)
935 2013-04-27 12:47:48 crank has joined
936 2013-04-27 12:48:10 <rdponticelli> iwilcox: Didn't you make a backup before importing?
937 2013-04-27 12:48:32 <iwilcox> I do have one but it's off-site now.
938 2013-04-27 12:48:52 i2pRelay has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
939 2013-04-27 12:49:12 <Plarkplark_> curl-7.30.0-ssl-sspi-zlib-static-bin-w32\curl-7.30.0-ssl-sspi-zlib-static-bin-w32\curl.exe --user user --data-binary "{"jsonrpc": "1.0", "id":"curltest", "method": "getinfo", "params": [] }" http://localhost:9332
940 2013-04-27 12:49:12 <Plarkplark_> Enter host password for user 'user':
941 2013-04-27 12:49:12 <Plarkplark_> <BODY><H1>401 Unauthorized.</H1></BODY>
942 2013-04-27 12:49:12 <Plarkplark_> </HTML>
943 2013-04-27 12:49:43 <rdponticelli> iwilcox: You could use db4.8_dump, and db4.8_load....
944 2013-04-27 12:49:58 <iwilcox> Or sed :)
945 2013-04-27 12:50:11 <rdponticelli> :P
946 2013-04-27 12:50:21 <bwen> plarkplark_: wait a minute... when you access it thru the browser you get a Basic Auth request? O.o
947 2013-04-27 12:50:26 <Plarkplark_> Yes
948 2013-04-27 12:50:29 <Plarkplark_> popup
949 2013-04-27 12:50:32 <Plarkplark_> and it works
950 2013-04-27 12:50:48 <bwen> dont think thats normal
951 2013-04-27 12:50:50 <sipa> that's expected
952 2013-04-27 12:50:58 <bwen> is it? I didnt get that when I tried it
953 2013-04-27 12:51:12 <bwen> and when I curl to the json rpc I dont send basic auth
954 2013-04-27 12:51:17 <sipa> works here
955 2013-04-27 12:51:18 <iwilcox> rdponticelli: I might actually try ghex on a copy, seriously, to see if it breaks.
956 2013-04-27 12:51:38 <bwen> well I think the cgminer doesnt send the basic auth, simple as that
957 2013-04-27 12:51:42 <sipa> iwilcox: do db4.8_dump, remove the key, db4.8_load
958 2013-04-27 12:51:52 <sipa> bwen: that would be silly...
959 2013-04-27 12:51:57 * nsh votes for h4x
960 2013-04-27 12:52:10 <sipa> and it would mean cgminer wouldn't ever work with bitcoind
961 2013-04-27 12:52:29 <bwen> Oh nevermind i do send the basic auth
962 2013-04-27 12:52:36 <bwen> i'm half asleep again >_<
963 2013-04-27 12:53:28 <Plarkplark_> Sooo its normal?
964 2013-04-27 12:53:34 <bwen> plarkplark_: try this cgminer --url localhost:9332 --user u --pass p -I 7
965 2013-04-27 12:53:44 <Plarkplark_> its the rpc port
966 2013-04-27 12:53:47 <Plarkplark_> bwen thanks ill do it
967 2013-04-27 12:53:51 <bwen> or this cgminer --url http://u:p@localhost:9332 -I 7
968 2013-04-27 12:55:25 <Plarkplark_> No login credentials supplied for pool 0 http://username:password@localhost:9332
969 2013-04-27 12:55:32 <Plarkplark_> now the first one
970 2013-04-27 12:56:22 <Plarkplark_> wont connect :( (timeout)
971 2013-04-27 12:56:27 <bwen> meh :p
972 2013-04-27 12:56:35 <Plarkplark_> i find it weird - 401 would imply that the layer3/4 connections is there
973 2013-04-27 12:56:41 <Plarkplark_> just in layer 567 something is wrong
974 2013-04-27 12:56:59 Lightcode has quit (Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi)
975 2013-04-27 12:57:16 <sipa> clearly
976 2013-04-27 12:57:45 <sipa> Plarkplark_: wait, you're on windows... so you compiled bitcoind on windows?
977 2013-04-27 12:58:02 <Plarkplark_> y
978 2013-04-27 12:58:06 <Plarkplark_> mingw
979 2013-04-27 12:58:09 <sipa> impressive
980 2013-04-27 12:58:14 <Plarkplark_> why?
981 2013-04-27 12:58:18 <Plarkplark_> took a day yes
982 2013-04-27 12:58:19 <Plarkplark_> :P
983 2013-04-27 12:58:36 <Plarkplark_> qt also works
984 2013-04-27 12:58:41 <sipa> well in any case, that means you know a lot more about windows than i do :p
985 2013-04-27 12:58:52 <rdponticelli> Plarkplark_: You're the third!
986 2013-04-27 12:58:56 <Plarkplark_> whut?
987 2013-04-27 12:58:58 <Plarkplark_> am i?
988 2013-04-27 12:59:04 <Plarkplark_> how about all them altcoin clones?
989 2013-04-27 12:59:40 <sipa> no clue about those
990 2013-04-27 13:00:22 <Plarkplark_> well im onto something. because chrome does get through the auth model
991 2013-04-27 13:00:29 <nsh> mmmm
992 2013-04-27 13:00:31 <Plarkplark_> maybe il lchange some libs to lower versions.
993 2013-04-27 13:00:33 <nsh> maybe it's a platform problem
994 2013-04-27 13:00:34 <Plarkplark_> like boost
995 2013-04-27 13:00:40 <sipa> i doubt that
996 2013-04-27 13:00:57 <sipa> wireshark may give useful info
997 2013-04-27 13:01:05 <nsh> when in doubt, blame carriage returns
998 2013-04-27 13:01:21 <Plarkplark_> that...that might be something!
999 2013-04-27 13:01:33 <Plarkplark_> mmm wiresharking localhost won't work
1000 2013-04-27 13:01:43 swulf-- has joined
1001 2013-04-27 13:02:00 <nsh> you should be able to select the loopback interface
1002 2013-04-27 13:02:02 safra has quit (Quit: Leaving)
1003 2013-04-27 13:02:17 <nsh> oh, maybe not
1004 2013-04-27 13:02:29 <nsh> http://www.hsc.fr/ressources/articles/win_net_srv/missing_loopback.html
1005 2013-04-27 13:02:32 <nsh> http://wiki.wireshark.org/CaptureSetup/Loopback
1006 2013-04-27 13:02:39 <nsh> "You can, however, use a raw socket sniffer like RawCap to capture localhost network traffic in Windows. Read more here: http://www.netresec.com/?page=Blog&month=2011-04&post=RawCap-sniffer-for-Windows-released"
1007 2013-04-27 13:02:46 <nsh> ^^ maybe useful
1008 2013-04-27 13:03:03 tsche has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
1009 2013-04-27 13:03:13 <Plarkplark_> ill run the litecoind on the wifi and run the miner from a linux miner
1010 2013-04-27 13:03:24 <nsh> can't hurt :)
1011 2013-04-27 13:03:37 <Plarkplark_> maybe the linux miner works instantly because... blaim carriage
1012 2013-04-27 13:03:38 <Plarkplark_> ;)
1013 2013-04-27 13:03:42 <Plarkplark_> brb
1014 2013-04-27 13:04:23 <nsh> g'luck
1015 2013-04-27 13:04:33 swulf--1 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1016 2013-04-27 13:06:16 <kronicd_> I'm pretty confused right now, does anyone have an idea why "getbalance "" 6" might return some coins, but getinfo shows a balance of zero?
1017 2013-04-27 13:06:27 ielo has joined
1018 2013-04-27 13:06:35 <kronicd_> when I was looking in the source it looks like by default 1 is the minimum confirmation without any params
1019 2013-04-27 13:09:12 <rdponticelli> kronicd_: You may have spent the coins from other account, which is now negative
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1023 2013-04-27 13:11:19 <kronicd_> rdponticelli: not in this case, there is only one account in the wallet :/
1024 2013-04-27 13:12:13 Plarkplark_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
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1027 2013-04-27 13:12:58 <rdponticelli> kronicd_: listaccounts lists only the default ""?
1028 2013-04-27 13:14:42 <kronicd_> I moved it to a new account to see if that would help, but:
1029 2013-04-27 13:14:43 <kronicd_> 2 listaccounts
1030 2013-04-27 13:14:43 <kronicd_> { "" : 0.00000000, "1" : 300.00000000
1031 2013-04-27 13:14:43 <kronicd_> }
1032 2013-04-27 13:14:43 <kronicd_> 0.00000000
1033 2013-04-27 13:14:52 <kronicd_> the 0.0000000 at the bottom is from "Getbalance"
1034 2013-04-27 13:15:06 ThomasV has joined
1035 2013-04-27 13:15:36 <kronicd_> and a sendfrom 1 address_goes_here shows insufficient funds
1036 2013-04-27 13:15:40 <kronicd_> this is really confusing heh :P
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1038 2013-04-27 13:17:47 <Plarkplark_> nsh linux cgminer get error 500 on wireshark
1039 2013-04-27 13:17:54 <Plarkplark_> this is starting to look real ugly
1040 2013-04-27 13:18:27 <nsh> hrmm :/
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1042 2013-04-27 13:21:58 Plarkplark__ has joined
1043 2013-04-27 13:22:11 <Plarkplark__> curl from linux to windows bitcoind does not work either : 401
1044 2013-04-27 13:22:30 <nsh> curiouser and curiouser
1045 2013-04-27 13:22:45 <Plarkplark__> chrome still works
1046 2013-04-27 13:22:52 <Plarkplark__> gotta get rid of this ipv6 crap
1047 2013-04-27 13:23:12 <nsh> try curl with IPV4 specified?
1048 2013-04-27 13:23:34 <nsh> --ipv4
1049 2013-04-27 13:23:44 <nsh> (or -4)
1050 2013-04-27 13:24:18 Plarkplark_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
1051 2013-04-27 13:24:21 <Plarkplark__> .
1052 2013-04-27 13:24:23 <Plarkplark__> OK
1053 2013-04-27 13:24:47 <Plarkplark__> still no
1054 2013-04-27 13:25:00 <Plarkplark__> the bitcoind now goes
1055 2013-04-27 13:25:00 <Plarkplark__> ThreadRPCServer incorrect password attempt from ::ffff:192.168.2.52
1056 2013-04-27 13:26:01 <Plarkplark__> Oh look my bug
1057 2013-04-27 13:26:01 <Plarkplark__> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/457
1058 2013-04-27 13:26:18 <Plarkplark__> For some reason, if -rpcallowip is used, it sees local connections as ::ffff:127.0.0.1 and sends a 403 instead of allowing the connection.
1059 2013-04-27 13:27:02 <nsh> definitely seems fishy
1060 2013-04-27 13:27:22 <nsh> can you confirm whether it's isolated to windows/mingw compile?
1061 2013-04-27 13:30:26 <Plarkplark__> no
1062 2013-04-27 13:30:36 <Plarkplark__> i had to heavyly adjust some code to get it compiled on win
1063 2013-04-27 13:30:53 <Plarkplark__> sorry to say this, but bitcoin is a whole lot of overhead at hte include level.
1064 2013-04-27 13:32:31 <nsh> hmm, can you elaborate?
1065 2013-04-27 13:35:18 <HM2> hte?
1066 2013-04-27 13:35:52 * saracen thinks probably the*
1067 2013-04-27 13:38:16 <HM2> yeah the include paths in bitcoin are a bit of a mess, I think sipa said there was a pull request for some refactoring work
1068 2013-04-27 13:39:11 <kronicd_> ahh.. immature, what does that mean in terms of mined coins?
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1071 2013-04-27 13:41:59 <kronicd_> ah cant spend until 120 blocks have passed? interesting
1072 2013-04-27 13:44:08 systemParanoid has joined
1073 2013-04-27 13:44:53 <Plarkplark__> yes its a mess somewhat
1074 2013-04-27 13:44:57 <Plarkplark__> but its ok
1075 2013-04-27 13:45:19 <Plarkplark__> well running on a 32 bit ipv4 XP does not solve it. Same error
1076 2013-04-27 13:45:19 <Plarkplark__> ThreadRPCServer incorrect password attempt from 192.168.2.52
1077 2013-04-27 13:46:02 <Plarkplark__> I wiresharked it... it tries to login
1078 2013-04-27 13:46:12 <Plarkplark__> but hte bitecoind just says nope 401
1079 2013-04-27 13:48:03 <nsh> which way worked again>
1080 2013-04-27 13:48:04 <nsh> ?
1081 2013-04-27 13:48:16 <Plarkplark__> chrome
1082 2013-04-27 13:48:35 <Plarkplark__> the only one. miners from linux (cgminer/cpuminer) - Windows 7 or xp do not connect. 401
1083 2013-04-27 13:48:41 <Plarkplark__> basic auth fails
1084 2013-04-27 13:49:04 <nsh> can you compare the raw octets from chrome logging in to cgminer attempting?
1085 2013-04-27 13:49:27 <nsh> under the assumption that logic still applies, there must be some difference somewhere
1086 2013-04-27 13:49:50 <nsh> (<Homer> Now Lisa, that's a pretty big "if"...)
1087 2013-04-27 13:50:09 <Plarkplark__> :D
1088 2013-04-27 13:50:31 <Plarkplark__> im hacking out the user/pass check in bitcoinrpc if that works it a weird bug of some kind
1089 2013-04-27 13:50:40 <Plarkplark__> ugly
1090 2013-04-27 13:51:30 <Plarkplark__> Here we go
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1092 2013-04-27 13:57:15 <Plarkplark__> that works. omg now i have to debug the rpc/json/api thing.
1093 2013-04-27 13:57:22 <Plarkplark__> Pff enough for today
1094 2013-04-27 13:58:01 taha has joined
1095 2013-04-27 13:59:08 <nsh> Plarkplark__, 'grats
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1102 2013-04-27 14:17:14 <MC1984_> when i have a fork of a project on github
1103 2013-04-27 14:17:31 <MC1984_> how do i get my fork to replicate the change made to the upstream
1104 2013-04-27 14:18:10 <HM2> issue a pull request?
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1107 2013-04-27 14:18:29 <nsh> MC1984_, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4410091/github-import-upstream-branch-into-fork
1108 2013-04-27 14:18:58 <HM2> oh that way
1109 2013-04-27 14:19:05 <nsh> or maybe: http://gitready.com/intermediate/2009/02/12/easily-fetching-upstream-changes.html
1110 2013-04-27 14:19:06 <MC1984_> github mentions something about it happening automatically
1111 2013-04-27 14:19:23 <nsh> they deprecated magic in recent updates
1112 2013-04-27 14:19:34 <nsh> (no, i don't really have a clue; ignore me)
1113 2013-04-27 14:19:40 <Plarkplark__> Still nogo
1114 2013-04-27 14:20:11 <Plarkplark__> Im trying to get a totally blank internal testnet to mine - so the blockchain is just the genesis block - The bitcoind gives me error 500
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1116 2013-04-27 14:20:21 <Plarkplark__> How do I bootstrap the blockchain?
1117 2013-04-27 14:20:32 <Plarkplark__> pointing a miner to it gives me error 500 now
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1120 2013-04-27 14:22:12 <MC1984_> When a repository is cloned, it has a default remote called origin that points to your fork on GitHub, not the original repository it was forked from. To keep track of the original repository, you need to add another remote named upstream:
1121 2013-04-27 14:22:41 <HM2> or named whatever you like
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1123 2013-04-27 14:22:48 <MC1984_> so cloning it means making a copy of the repo on your local machine
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1125 2013-04-27 14:23:11 <MC1984_> which follows your repo on github, but you can make it follow the repo you forked from instead
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1127 2013-04-27 14:23:40 <MC1984_> but your repo on github cant follow its upstream because thats a bad idea
1128 2013-04-27 14:24:24 <MC1984_> but then you could commit back to your github repo all the stuff your local repo followed from the upstream repo anyway
1129 2013-04-27 14:24:26 <MC1984_> is that right
1130 2013-04-27 14:29:31 <MC1984_> I feel like im talking a huge amount of bollox again
1131 2013-04-27 14:29:53 * nsh is unqualified to comment
1132 2013-04-27 14:30:00 <nsh> #github may help
1133 2013-04-27 14:30:37 <MC1984_> i got to push through it
1134 2013-04-27 14:31:13 <MC1984_> when i learn new things, im lost for hours/days until it suddenly groks and then im ok
1135 2013-04-27 14:32:13 <nsh> such is the way
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1140 2013-04-27 14:34:16 <lianj> MC1984_: yes
1141 2013-04-27 14:35:05 <MC1984_> ??
1142 2013-04-27 14:36:05 <lianj> "is that right" - yes
1143 2013-04-27 14:36:23 <MC1984_> all of it? cool
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1145 2013-04-27 14:37:23 <lianj> instead of "you could commit back" its better so say "push back" because you dont actually commit anything from upstream, just fetch from upstream and push to your origin
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1148 2013-04-27 14:38:05 <MC1984_> ok
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1151 2013-04-27 14:40:06 <MC1984_> so then i change something and go to the upstream and make a pull request, and one of the guys reviews my clumsy hacking and then "pulls" it in to the upstream if satisfied right
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1153 2013-04-27 14:41:04 <lianj> if satisfied, yes
1154 2013-04-27 14:42:59 <MC1984_> and is push analogous to commit
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1170 2013-04-27 15:05:31 <MC1984_> my branch on the command line was blue, then i added git://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.git as a remote and pulled it in, and now its green
1171 2013-04-27 15:05:33 <MC1984_> what mean?
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1178 2013-04-27 15:16:48 <saracen> MC1984_: http://askubuntu.com/questions/17299/color-meanings-in-terminal
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1181 2013-04-27 15:18:35 <MC1984_> is that applicable?
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1183 2013-04-27 15:18:43 <MC1984_> im using windowd "powershell"
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1186 2013-04-27 15:19:35 <MC1984_> gits invocation of powershell any way
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1188 2013-04-27 15:21:03 <saracen> As in, this thing: https://github.com/dahlbyk/posh-git
1189 2013-04-27 15:21:03 <saracen> ?
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1191 2013-04-27 15:21:56 <saracen> "Green means the branch is ahead of its remote (green light to push)"
1192 2013-04-27 15:22:19 <saracen> But anyway, best google what it means
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1194 2013-04-27 15:23:25 <MC1984_> oh right my default remote is still my own repo
1195 2013-04-27 15:23:27 <MC1984_> thanks
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1201 2013-04-27 15:33:16 <meth_htem> probably not the place to ask but no one answers in #bitcoin: is bitinstant cash deposit at walmart to gox working?
1202 2013-04-27 15:36:10 <fanquake> meth_htem #mtgox might be a better place
1203 2013-04-27 15:36:21 <meth_htem> ty
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1216 2013-04-27 15:53:27 <MC1984_> why do people like gavin make pull requests, dont they have direct commit privs
1217 2013-04-27 15:53:39 <Diapolo> sipa: any news on the LevelDB thing?
1218 2013-04-27 15:53:48 <MC1984_> is it just to be transparent about things
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1221 2013-04-27 15:54:26 <sipa> Diapolo: i'll write an exyra patch that prints the actual windows system call error at the point in the leveldb code that triggers it
1222 2013-04-27 15:54:37 <sipa> Diapolo: and ask you to try agaij :)
1223 2013-04-27 15:55:08 <bitanarchy> is it still possible to maintain a blockchain on your computer or should i give up?
1224 2013-04-27 15:55:24 <sipa> bitanarchy: sure?
1225 2013-04-27 15:55:36 <Diapolo> sipa: that is fine... one thing, it seems your latest commit produces an error message we already generate somewhere else
1226 2013-04-27 15:55:53 <sipa> dia i know
1227 2013-04-27 15:56:06 <bitanarchy> sipa: but downloading of the blockchain takes way too long
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1229 2013-04-27 15:56:22 <sipa> bitanarchy: how long?
1230 2013-04-27 15:56:56 <bitanarchy> 1 block every few minutes
1231 2013-04-27 15:57:01 <MC1984_> what is too long, really?
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1233 2013-04-27 15:57:09 <sipa> that's very slow
1234 2013-04-27 15:57:17 <bitanarchy> still have to go a few thousand
1235 2013-04-27 15:57:58 <sipa> MC1984_: even if i write a trovial patch, i create a pullreq... just to make sure the other devs and whoever is interested has a chance to see it and comment
1236 2013-04-27 15:58:13 <sipa> bitanarchy: is your cpu loaded?
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1238 2013-04-27 15:59:17 <bitanarchy> sipa: no it uses 10%
1239 2013-04-27 15:59:26 <bitanarchy> have 11 connections
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1242 2013-04-27 15:59:43 <sipa> provavly fetching from a slow peer in thatcase
1243 2013-04-27 15:59:58 <sipa> *probably
1244 2013-04-27 16:00:59 <Diapolo> sipa: a small RPC call to select a new peer would be a nice thing, no?
1245 2013-04-27 16:01:21 <sipa> Diapolo: or just being a bit smarter in picking a sync peer...
1246 2013-04-27 16:01:53 <Diapolo> sipa: I'm sure that is on your list ^^
1247 2013-04-27 16:02:03 <sipa> hehe
1248 2013-04-27 16:02:09 * sipa has a long list
1249 2013-04-27 16:02:10 <bitanarchy> so how do i improve my peers or nr of peers
1250 2013-04-27 16:02:18 <bitanarchy> ?
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1252 2013-04-27 16:02:30 <Bob__> Hi there. Anyone here that could straighten out something to me about the MtGox websocket API?
1253 2013-04-27 16:02:36 <sipa> bitanarchy: number of peers is irrelevant (it even slows things down during initial sync)
1254 2013-04-27 16:02:38 <Bob__> When I'm connected to the websocket depth channel, it sends me updates with depth changes, containing a volume_int value of 0
1255 2013-04-27 16:02:46 <Bob__> what do these messages mean? If you ask me, a new ask or bid should always have a positive amount value
1256 2013-04-27 16:02:56 <Bob__> and... can I ask this in this channel?
1257 2013-04-27 16:03:18 <sipa> bitanarchy: best is connectig directly to a fast peer (-connect=ip on the command lime), though that is obviously not a nice and userfriendly solution
1258 2013-04-27 16:04:07 <rdponticelli> Bob__: Ask in #mtgox
1259 2013-04-27 16:04:14 <bitanarchy> sipa: can you give me a fast peer?
1260 2013-04-27 16:04:18 <Bob__> ok thanks
1261 2013-04-27 16:04:49 <Bob__> I did but there doesnt seem to be anyone there :(
1262 2013-04-27 16:04:57 <sipa> bitanarchy: 178.18.90.41 (my own)
1263 2013-04-27 16:04:59 <Bob__> at least no1 responsive ;)
1264 2013-04-27 16:05:22 <sipa> bitanarchy: but only do that for the initial sync, please
1265 2013-04-27 16:06:04 <sipa> bitanarchy: also, increasing database cache speeds things up (-dbcache=1000) for 1 GB extra cache, for example
1266 2013-04-27 16:06:54 <bitanarchy> sipa: thanks... will give it a try
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1269 2013-04-27 16:08:27 <Bob__> rdponticelli: Any thoughts about where else I could ask this?
1270 2013-04-27 16:09:22 <MC1984_> people picking up a slow peer on IBD and getting a bad impression of bitcoin seems to happen a lot
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1272 2013-04-27 16:10:46 <MC1984_> compounded by how the disk/p2p functions and everything else is in the same thread iirc
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1274 2013-04-27 16:11:07 <sydna> are there any services or scripts using lock_time at the moment?
1275 2013-04-27 16:12:38 <rdponticelli> Bob__: Just wait until somebody shows up on #mtgox
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1277 2013-04-27 16:14:59 <sipa> MC1984_: network and processing are not in the same thread
1278 2013-04-27 16:15:22 <bitanarchy> there will be a time that only miners and companies will have the blockchain... is that a problem?
1279 2013-04-27 16:15:34 <sipa> bitanarchy: who knows?
1280 2013-04-27 16:15:36 <bitanarchy> i mean service providers
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1283 2013-04-27 16:16:02 <MC1984_> yeah its a problem
1284 2013-04-27 16:16:08 <MC1984_> so please peservere
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1286 2013-04-27 16:17:59 <bitanarchy> mc1984: so where is it going... to a bitcoin cartel?
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1288 2013-04-27 16:18:35 <sipa> bitanarchy: nobody here knows the future
1289 2013-04-27 16:19:00 <MC1984_> no one can say
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1292 2013-04-27 16:19:28 <bitanarchy> i sorta hope that bitcoin will make people believe in a free market again.... in other words, that people start seeing the light :)
1293 2013-04-27 16:19:28 <Belxjander> Well I would like to start caching the blockchain as part of the bitcoin dataset I want to obtain
1294 2013-04-27 16:19:38 <MC1984_> but i get the feeling the equilibrium state for keeping bitcoin decentralised yet useful is akin to balancing a bowling ball on a saddle
1295 2013-04-27 16:21:00 <MC1984_> bitcoin works in a free market that is at least majorly rational
1296 2013-04-27 16:21:09 <MC1984_> and there might be the rub
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1298 2013-04-27 16:21:46 <bitanarchy> the rub?
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1300 2013-04-27 16:22:08 <MC1984_> the difficulty
1301 2013-04-27 16:22:08 <sydna> alright, so if I set the lock_time on a TX to be a block some 3 days in the future, I won't be able to spend it until then, right?
1302 2013-04-27 16:23:18 <bitanarchy> mc: ah :)
1303 2013-04-27 16:24:28 <bitanarchy> mc: you mean that only large mining companies stay in bussiness
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1305 2013-04-27 16:26:28 <sipa> sydna: define 'spend' ?
1306 2013-04-27 16:26:55 <sipa> if you mean "get a spending transaction confirmed", then indeed not
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1310 2013-04-27 16:31:17 <sydna> sipa: after mentioning it I found what I was looking for. you can do some nutty things with these scripts.
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1312 2013-04-27 16:32:30 <MC1984_> bitanarchy mining and verifying are seperate enterprises
1313 2013-04-27 16:33:22 <MC1984_> mining is "lost", if you will, to market efficiencies and verifying is peobably the only thing that can keep their power in check
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1315 2013-04-27 16:33:48 <MC1984_> checks and balances for cheques and balances
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1330 2013-04-27 16:56:56 <sipa> Diapolo: present?
1331 2013-04-27 16:57:09 <sipa> Diapolo: can you try with https://github.com/sipa/bitcoin/commit/67efbda4a22dcf0868df18cc1280ffa6a33d0ecd ?
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1336 2013-04-27 17:03:56 <kinlo> does blockchain support testnet too?
1337 2013-04-27 17:04:08 <kinlo> blockexplorer does, but it needs an upgrade :)
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1340 2013-04-27 17:06:19 <Diapolo> sipa: one moment
1341 2013-04-27 17:07:38 <Diapolo> sipa: -par and -dbcache are finished ^^
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1343 2013-04-27 17:07:56 <sipa> Diapolo: \o/
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1346 2013-04-27 17:12:51 <Diapolo> sipa: building LevelDB and bitcoin-qt, just a sec
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1349 2013-04-27 17:14:41 <sipa> gmaxwell: didn't you have a page that demonstrates the use of p2sh things?
1350 2013-04-27 17:14:47 <Diapolo> sipa: I'm seeking a good practise for having some constants or globals which hold default values for our parameters, which are shared by core and Qt settings ... any idea?
1351 2013-04-27 17:15:04 <sipa> Diapolo: typically in the relevant core .h file
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1353 2013-04-27 17:15:09 <sipa> Diapolo: constants for what?
1354 2013-04-27 17:15:48 <Diapolo> dbcache or par for example
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1358 2013-04-27 17:15:55 <Diapolo> I need the default values in the Qt code also
1359 2013-04-27 17:16:27 <Diapolo> cd /c/Users/Diapolo/bitcoin.Qt/src/leveldb
1360 2013-04-27 17:16:27 <Diapolo> TARGET_OS=NATIVE_WINDOWS make libleveldb.a libmemenv.a
1361 2013-04-27 17:16:33 <Diapolo> sorry wrong copy and paste ^^
1362 2013-04-27 17:16:49 <Diapolo> case DatabaseCache:
1363 2013-04-27 17:16:49 <Diapolo> return settings.value("nDatabaseCache", GetArg("-dbcache", 25));
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1367 2013-04-27 17:20:55 <Diapolo> sipa: is there a limit for dbcache currently?
1368 2013-04-27 17:21:30 <sipa> Diapolo: on 32-bit systems i wouldn't go above 1 GB or so
1369 2013-04-27 17:21:54 <Diapolo> so a safe limit in the Qt settings is 1024 then?
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1371 2013-04-27 17:22:48 <sipa> sizeof(void*) > 4 ? 4096 : 1024
1372 2013-04-27 17:23:09 <Diapolo> :-P a simple integer would have been nice ^^
1373 2013-04-27 17:23:32 <Diablo-D3> sipa: 2
1374 2013-04-27 17:23:39 <Diablo-D3> 2 is the absolute maximum safe
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1377 2013-04-27 17:26:50 <sipa> Diablo-D3: static const int nMaxDbCache = sizeof(void*) > 4 ? 4096 : 1024, somewhere at the top of init.cpp ?
1378 2013-04-27 17:27:14 <Diablo-D3> sipa: we're talking about address space, right?
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1382 2013-04-27 17:27:25 <Diablo-D3> you have to subtract what bitcoin is already using
1383 2013-04-27 17:27:36 <Diablo-D3> bitcoin should have a unified memory allocator by now
1384 2013-04-27 17:28:17 <sipa> Diablo-D3: good, write one
1385 2013-04-27 17:28:31 <Diablo-D3> sipa: sure, when bitcoin becomes C
1386 2013-04-27 17:28:37 <Diablo-D3> then you'll be able to use the one I already wrote
1387 2013-04-27 17:28:52 <sipa> ha
1388 2013-04-27 17:30:05 <sipa> Diapolo: also, to change par or dbcache, you need to restart
1389 2013-04-27 17:30:18 <Diapolo> sipa: yeah :)
1390 2013-04-27 17:30:45 <Diablo-D3> sipa: well, Im writing code that targets anti-thread platforms
1391 2013-04-27 17:30:58 <Diablo-D3> so bitcoin wouldnt be a really good fit for, you know, writing code correctly. >_>
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1393 2013-04-27 17:34:13 <Diapolo> sipa: currently running with the LevelDB patch applied, I'm really interested what is going on there
1394 2013-04-27 17:34:47 <sipa> i've found a potential resource leak in the win32 leveldb code, but i'm not sure it's related or even reachable
1395 2013-04-27 17:34:58 <sipa> checking now
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1397 2013-04-27 17:35:35 <Diapolo> sipa: now that is interesting 2013-04-27 17:11:12 LevelDB read failure: IO error: C:\Users\Diapolo\AppData\Roaming\Bitcoin\chainstate\000569.sst: Der Prozess kann nicht auf die Datei zugreifen, da sie von einem anderen Prozess verwendet wird.
1398 2013-04-27 17:35:51 <sipa> translation?
1399 2013-04-27 17:36:00 <Diapolo> sipa: The process can not access the file because it is being used by another process.
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1401 2013-04-27 17:36:07 <Sans> hey guys, I am a professional software tester and know a little scripting in a few languages. Can i help out?
1402 2013-04-27 17:36:09 <sipa> now that is interesting :P
1403 2013-04-27 17:36:31 <Diapolo> I have no idea what would access that file aside from bitcoin-qt.exe??
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1407 2013-04-27 17:38:50 <Steve132> Diablo-D3: what do you mean memory allocator?
1408 2013-04-27 17:39:33 <Luke-Jr> Sans: more testing is always appreciated. are you familiar with Boost's unit test framework?
1409 2013-04-27 17:39:41 <Diablo-D3> Steve132: â¦. wha?
1410 2013-04-27 17:40:02 <Steve132> <Diablo-D3> you have to subtract what bitcoin is already using
1411 2013-04-27 17:40:03 <Steve132> <Diablo-D3> bitcoin should have a unified memory allocator by now
1412 2013-04-27 17:40:18 <Diablo-D3> yes I know what I said.
1413 2013-04-27 17:40:22 <Diablo-D3> your question makes no sense.
1414 2013-04-27 17:40:41 <Sans> Luke-Jr: no, but I can be. i use a domain specific one for work.
1415 2013-04-27 17:40:47 <Diablo-D3> Luke-Jr: dude, Boost is evil, quit pushing for the further Boostification of Bitcoin
1416 2013-04-27 17:42:09 <Luke-Jr> Sans: if you would like to help with unit tests, the best way is to add more to the existing test suite and submit pull requests for them individually
1417 2013-04-27 17:42:47 <Luke-Jr> there are also some more complicated/involved tests that BlueMatt's "pull tester" runs - I'm not sure what kind of framework that uses though
1418 2013-04-27 17:43:21 <Steve132> Diablo-D3: C++ already has a standord memory allocator
1419 2013-04-27 17:43:35 <Steve132> What/Why would you write a new one? Why is it necessary?
1420 2013-04-27 17:43:47 <Diablo-D3> Steve132: no, C++ implementations have it
1421 2013-04-27 17:43:53 <Steve132> fine.
1422 2013-04-27 17:43:56 <Diablo-D3> and they just wrap malloc
1423 2013-04-27 17:44:08 <Steve132> sure
1424 2013-04-27 17:44:16 <Steve132> so?
1425 2013-04-27 17:44:16 <Sans> Luke-Jr: okay I can do that.
1426 2013-04-27 17:44:31 <Luke-Jr> Steve132: don't let Diablo-D3 get to you, he tends to troll more often than not
1427 2013-04-27 17:44:31 <Diablo-D3> which until operating systems stop pandering to the yay threads segment of the insane asylum, I see no purpose in using it
1428 2013-04-27 17:45:07 <Diapolo> sipa: I'm off rather soon, if you have any news or stuff you want me to test use the old pull-req to reach me :)
1429 2013-04-27 17:45:19 <Steve132> Luke-Jr: I'm not mad about anything, I'm just curious what he thinks
1430 2013-04-27 17:45:32 <Steve132> Diablo-D3: so bitcoin isn't threaded?
1431 2013-04-27 17:45:40 <Diablo-D3> says Luke-Jr, the guy who forked a program just to troll the author
1432 2013-04-27 17:45:43 <Diablo-D3> Steve132: it, sadly, is
1433 2013-04-27 17:45:55 <Steve132> Why is that a problem, exactly?
1434 2013-04-27 17:46:31 <Diablo-D3> rather depressingly so, given what Bitcoin is and does
1435 2013-04-27 17:47:17 <Diablo-D3> I dont trust threads.
1436 2013-04-27 17:47:26 <Steve132> Why not?
1437 2013-04-27 17:47:26 <Diablo-D3> They are an anti-pattern of the grandest scale
1438 2013-04-27 17:47:30 <sipa> < Diablo-D3> I dont understand threads.
1439 2013-04-27 17:47:32 <sipa> fixed that for you
1440 2013-04-27 17:47:35 <Steve132> lol
1441 2013-04-27 17:47:53 <sipa> threads are hard, yes
1442 2013-04-27 17:47:54 <Diablo-D3> Threads, ultimately, dont work.
1443 2013-04-27 17:47:54 <Diablo-D3> sipa: no, I understand threads fine
1444 2013-04-27 17:47:54 <Diablo-D3> I also understand how computers work and how operating systems work
1445 2013-04-27 17:48:06 <Diablo-D3> and Ive also read thousands of pages of research on the subject
1446 2013-04-27 17:48:09 <Diablo-D3> sipa: not hard, just wrong
1447 2013-04-27 17:48:16 <sipa> ok, carry on
1448 2013-04-27 17:48:22 <Diablo-D3> anything you can do I can do better without threads while preserving a better form of concurrency
1449 2013-04-27 17:48:27 <MC1984_> but
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1451 2013-04-27 17:48:39 <sipa> Diablo-D3: ok, parallel signature verification
1452 2013-04-27 17:48:41 <sipa> Diablo-D3: GO
1453 2013-04-27 17:48:51 <Diablo-D3> every single "correct" use of threads just emulates concurrency badly.
1454 2013-04-27 17:48:53 <MC1984_> excecution cores are not getting faster anymore, just more numerous
1455 2013-04-27 17:48:55 <MC1984_> so wtf am i reading
1456 2013-04-27 17:49:00 <Diablo-D3> sipa: opencl on dedicated hardware. next?
1457 2013-04-27 17:49:14 <Steve132> Diablo-D3: so opencl *isn't* threads?
1458 2013-04-27 17:49:25 <Steve132> how is it different?
1459 2013-04-27 17:49:31 <sipa> it's SIMD, technically not threads
1460 2013-04-27 17:49:42 <sipa> but also not a solution
1461 2013-04-27 17:49:47 <Steve132> Except wavefronts execute asynchronously
1462 2013-04-27 17:49:51 <Diablo-D3> Steve132: no (unless you use a CPU target)
1463 2013-04-27 17:49:56 <Diablo-D3> hardware threads in highly parallel DSPs (aka GPUs) use, basically, massive SIMD
1464 2013-04-27 17:49:58 <Steve132> and require explicit synchronizations
1465 2013-04-27 17:50:12 <Diablo-D3> Steve132: yes, but on hardware its like a seperate process
1466 2013-04-27 17:50:25 <nsh> "wow, i didn't expect this to be threadsafe!" said no, ever, before giving up again
1467 2013-04-27 17:50:44 <Diablo-D3> any synchronization in the kernel is done using hardware native primitives
1468 2013-04-27 17:50:47 <Steve132> Diablo-D3: yes, as long as your work-size is smaller than a core
1469 2013-04-27 17:51:00 <sipa> Diablo-D3: so are mutexes, if uncontended
1470 2013-04-27 17:51:04 <Diablo-D3> the entire state is managed very carefully by the driver and the hardware
1471 2013-04-27 17:51:06 <sipa> at least on linux
1472 2013-04-27 17:51:24 <Diablo-D3> Steve132: you misunderstood
1473 2013-04-27 17:51:25 <sipa> but please, this discussion is pointless
1474 2013-04-27 17:51:28 <Diablo-D3> the opencl event model works around ,essentially, futures.
1475 2013-04-27 17:51:38 <sipa> if Diablo-D3 wants a bitcoin without threads, he is very welcome to try implementing one
1476 2013-04-27 17:51:48 <Diablo-D3> sipa: its on my todo list.
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1478 2013-04-27 17:51:57 <sipa> looking forward to it :D
1479 2013-04-27 17:51:57 <Diablo-D3> although I wont be implementing bitcoin
1480 2013-04-27 17:52:15 <Diablo-D3> I want to try a research from scratch coin.
1481 2013-04-27 17:52:27 <Diablo-D3> (hopefully some of my research will benefit bitcoin)
1482 2013-04-27 17:52:53 <Diablo-D3> sipa: the thing is, bitcoin is both a massively concurrent problem and a massively parallel problem
1483 2013-04-27 17:53:04 <Diablo-D3> you need to know what part is which
1484 2013-04-27 17:53:08 <Diablo-D3> throwing threads at something has NEVER fixed something. ever.
1485 2013-04-27 17:53:19 <Diablo-D3> bitcoin suffers a lot from throw x at it thinking
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1509 2013-04-27 18:19:44 <melvster1> hi all does anyone know if blockexplorer.com is open source?
1510 2013-04-27 18:20:23 <melvster1> or if there is a similar block explorer that is open source
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1519 2013-04-27 18:40:58 <BlueMatt> not really and yes
1520 2013-04-27 18:41:53 <BlueMatt> bitcoinjs is supposed to have a bbe thingbuilt in
1521 2013-04-27 18:42:39 <BlueMatt> there are really quite a few
1522 2013-04-27 18:42:59 <Luke-Jr> ABE is the most popular free software block explorer alike
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1537 2013-04-27 18:54:51 <melvster1> BlueMatt: thanks ill look through the wiki
1538 2013-04-27 18:55:16 <melvster1> Luke-Jr: thanks will check out ABE and bitcoinjs
1539 2013-04-27 18:56:06 <MC1984_> did satoshi ever explain his choice of licence for bitcoin
1540 2013-04-27 18:56:14 <MC1984_> why not gpl or something
1541 2013-04-27 18:56:59 <MC1984_> gpl doesnt preclude commercial use right, mostly just that source code is always passed on
1542 2013-04-27 18:57:22 <MC1984_> and MIT is kinda just do whatever the hell you want?
1543 2013-04-27 18:57:31 <melvster1> MC1984_: there's a few GPLs, GPL2 GPL3 LGPG AGPL
1544 2013-04-27 18:57:40 <melvster1> MIT is liberal and compatible with GPL
1545 2013-04-27 18:58:11 <sipa> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=989.msg12494#msg12494
1546 2013-04-27 18:58:15 <sipa> MC1984_: he did ^
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1548 2013-04-27 18:58:26 <MC1984_> thanks sipa
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1550 2013-04-27 19:00:53 <melvster1> hmmm abe seems to 404 https://github.com/jtobey/bitcoin-abe
1551 2013-04-27 19:01:10 <sipa> melvster1: anything in particular you need it for?
1552 2013-04-27 19:01:13 <melvster1> oh works now
1553 2013-04-27 19:01:37 <melvster1> sipa: i was going to do yet another block explorer but also for ripple and semantically annotated
1554 2013-04-27 19:01:46 <sipa> ok
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1556 2013-04-27 19:01:58 <melvster1> will help me develop an ontology for crypto currencies
1557 2013-04-27 19:02:22 <melvster1> which i could then cross link to bitcoin otc for example for a distributed web of trust
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1567 2013-04-27 19:21:43 <MC1984_> so MIT was chosen with a view towards large scale adoption and corporate playes, instead of just neckbeards
1568 2013-04-27 19:21:52 <MC1984_> truly satoshi was a visionary
1569 2013-04-27 19:24:52 <alex2> :)
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1577 2013-04-27 19:34:27 <melvster1> how much bitcoin activity goes on off the block chain?
1578 2013-04-27 19:34:45 <melvster1> e.g. in the form of IOUs that get netted later
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1580 2013-04-27 19:35:25 <melvster1> e.g. if a played poker i could send a transaction after every hand, OR play 1000 hands and then count up ...
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1584 2013-04-27 19:41:45 <Luke-Jr> melvster1: most, as it should
1585 2013-04-27 19:42:11 <melvster1> ive been thinking about doing a btc IOU system
1586 2013-04-27 19:42:22 <melvster1> you could do that if you trusted the counter parties not to double spend
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1588 2013-04-27 19:42:31 <melvster1> then net out at an agreed time or just leave a running tab
1589 2013-04-27 19:43:57 <owowo> how does big poker sites do it? do they send every penny after ever hand to users bank account or do they have a "IOU system"?
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1594 2013-04-27 19:50:02 <melvster1> owowo: IOU system ... most money operates at IOUs
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1598 2013-04-27 19:54:49 <Luke-Jr> melvster1: https://gist.github.com/luke-jr/5409899
1599 2013-04-27 19:54:56 <Luke-Jr> melvster1: something to start with ;)
1600 2013-04-27 19:55:17 <melvster1> Luke-Jr: thanks!
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1605 2013-04-27 20:08:51 <Plarkplark_> Luke-Jr nice idea
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1608 2013-04-27 20:16:35 <Edward_Black> Hello! Could someone please explain transaction pruning to me in small, MBA-friendly words :) ?
1609 2013-04-27 20:19:06 <Edward_Black> Wouldn't having a transaction removed change the block's hash ?
1610 2013-04-27 20:20:54 <nsh> Edward_Black, you don't remove any transactions, you just remove the requirement to validate them
1611 2013-04-27 20:22:03 <Edward_Black> so, it will not affect the *size* of blockchain proper as far as downloading it is concerned ? You still have to download full sausage ?
1612 2013-04-27 20:22:08 <nsh> presently, clients validate the entire blockchain starting from the genesis block. however, because of the rapidly-increasing difficulty of reversing transactions after each validation, transactions whose outputs are 'spent' meaning they have no to the exchange of other butcoins are not strictly needed to be maintained
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1614 2013-04-27 20:22:23 <nsh> *no further consequence to the exchange
1615 2013-04-27 20:23:33 <nsh> Edward_Black, clients would be able to pick up the chain from some point "close enough" to present
1616 2013-04-27 20:24:01 <Edward_Black> That's Ultraprune IIRC
1617 2013-04-27 20:24:21 <Edward_Black> I thought Satoshi's pruning was a bit different, no ?
1618 2013-04-27 20:24:59 <Edward_Black> What I want is know whether current implementation allows to permanently remove a transaction if it's provably unspendable ( OP_RETURN thingus from wiki or something)
1619 2013-04-27 20:25:13 <Edward_Black> current design I mean
1620 2013-04-27 20:25:13 <sipa> Edward_Black: define 'permanently remove'
1621 2013-04-27 20:25:54 <sipa> all depends on what security model you're talking about
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1623 2013-04-27 20:26:34 <Edward_Black> Well, sipa , as in "if it is burried like, 1000 blocks down, and is that unspendable OP_RETURN thing, we kind of purge it so when another node requests this block from us later, we send them the block without the unspendable thingie"
1624 2013-04-27 20:26:37 <sipa> if you want the zero-trust model the current reference client implements, there is no way around at least processing the entire history, to know the current state is not the result of fraud
1625 2013-04-27 20:26:49 <sipa> Edward_Black: in that case, no
1626 2013-04-27 20:27:04 <sipa> you cannot drop a transaction when sending it to a client that needs to validate history
1627 2013-04-27 20:27:19 <Edward_Black> oh, that's sad
1628 2013-04-27 20:27:20 <sipa> but that doesn't mean everyone needs to store it
1629 2013-04-27 20:27:57 <Edward_Black> hm...
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1631 2013-04-27 20:28:15 <sipa> doing so would imply that you're able to prove 1) there exists a transaction with a hash that is not known the the receiver and 2) this transaction only has unspendable outputs
1632 2013-04-27 20:28:31 <sipa> there is simply no way to do so without telling him the transaction itself
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1641 2013-04-27 20:43:21 <Steve132> Is bitcoin subject to export-control regulation?
1642 2013-04-27 20:43:37 <Steve132> like, if I wrote a bitcoin wallet, that used ECDSA and SHA256
1643 2013-04-27 20:43:48 <Steve132> and someone in iran downloaded it
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1645 2013-04-27 20:47:56 <jgarzik> wow, lotsa transactions on the network
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1657 2013-04-27 21:01:22 <melvster1> Steve132: export control was defeated ages ago by john gilmore for open source projects ... I dont know if the more recent sanctions have something in tho, IANAL
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1676 2013-04-27 21:35:11 <melvster1> Luke-Jr: how co Btx and Ctx differ?
1677 2013-04-27 21:35:48 <EPiSKiNG-> If i import a btc address private key to multiple wallets, can I send from each of those wallets?
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1679 2013-04-27 21:36:21 <bytecoin> hi
1680 2013-04-27 21:36:23 <bytecoin> dnsseed.bitcoin.dashjr.org
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1683 2013-04-27 21:36:42 <bytecoin> is not returning any data with getaddrinfo
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1685 2013-04-27 21:37:05 <bytecoin> wait long time and now resolve
1686 2013-04-27 21:37:09 <bytecoin> no resolve
1687 2013-04-27 21:37:42 <bytecoin> is it me or is the bootstrap node down
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1689 2013-04-27 21:39:09 <sipa> EPiSKiNG-: not really supported
1690 2013-04-27 21:39:31 <bytecoin> wot?
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1692 2013-04-27 21:39:36 <sipa> EPiSKiNG-: unless you how wallets work internally, you're likely to shoot yourself in the foot
1693 2013-04-27 21:40:29 <sipa> bytecoin: looks down indeed
1694 2013-04-27 21:40:35 <sipa> Luke-Jr: your dns seed down?
1695 2013-04-27 21:41:50 <michagogo> EPiSKiNG-: If you're asking if you can send the BTC multiple times, no
1696 2013-04-27 21:42:22 <sipa> michagogo: i assume he means whether the wallets will synchronize with eachother (see eachother's spends, ...)
1697 2013-04-27 21:42:47 <michagogo> Ah
1698 2013-04-27 21:43:03 <bytecoin> who owns these dns-seeds?
1699 2013-04-27 21:43:17 <michagogo> I don't know if the spends will show up (I assume so) but one wallet isn't going to know the other's change address
1700 2013-04-27 21:43:49 <sipa> bytecoin: jgarzik, BlueMatt, Luke-Jr, me
1701 2013-04-27 21:43:51 <melvster1> if you use a change address that is
1702 2013-04-27 21:43:55 <michagogo> Which means, if I'm not mistaken, that the other wallets will show a larger spend than was actually sent
1703 2013-04-27 21:44:01 <sipa> michagogo: almost every transaction does
1704 2013-04-27 21:44:14 <sipa> eh, melvster1
1705 2013-04-27 21:44:28 <bytecoin> i get 67 ip-adresses over all dns-seeds
1706 2013-04-27 21:44:29 <melvster1> sipa: cant you turn off change address in some wallet clients?
1707 2013-04-27 21:44:31 <bytecoin> is this correct?
1708 2013-04-27 21:44:42 <sipa> bytecoin: they returns random subsets
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1710 2013-04-27 21:44:57 <bytecoin> sometimes is 92 sometimes 67
1711 2013-04-27 21:45:13 <sipa> melvster1: some clients just don't use change addresses
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1716 2013-04-27 21:46:51 <huulie> hello all
1717 2013-04-27 21:47:06 <melvster1> sipa: in electrum settings it has "Use change address: Yes/No"
1718 2013-04-27 21:47:14 <sipa> ok
1719 2013-04-27 21:47:29 <huulie> is there anyone willing to donate some bitcoins??
1720 2013-04-27 21:48:00 <sipa> for what cause?
1721 2013-04-27 21:48:10 <melvster1> yes for a good project
1722 2013-04-27 21:48:22 <melvster1> i donated 30 to opentransactions, but dont have too many left ...
1723 2013-04-27 21:49:03 <huulie> i am building a distrubition site and dont have enough to get started
1724 2013-04-27 21:49:15 <sipa> then buy some?
1725 2013-04-27 21:50:01 <huulie> i have bought some but cant afford enough
1726 2013-04-27 21:50:17 <sipa> then you certainly shouldn't give them away
1727 2013-04-27 21:50:25 <EPiSKiNG-> Imported a private key to Gox and to my Local wallet... Each time I've recieved coins to the wallet, it shows up in my local wallet, then gets immediately sent to the gox wallet, with a different address...
1728 2013-04-27 21:50:38 <huulie> i have not recieved any donations and am currently at 9 BTP
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1730 2013-04-27 21:50:56 <EPiSKiNG-> is it possible to "undo" that change, or remove it from one wallet?
1731 2013-04-27 21:51:00 <EPiSKiNG-> ps... go Bulls
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1733 2013-04-27 21:51:28 <sipa> EPiSKiNG-: no, mtgox sweeps payments to imported addresses to another address
1734 2013-04-27 21:51:31 <huulie> well if anyone feels nice enough heres the address 1p1vBAnEg63qW4C1RNk13eHoEtkQcn1K6
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1736 2013-04-27 21:51:52 <sipa> EPiSKiNG-: exactly to prevent the problem where other clients with the same key touch it
1737 2013-04-27 21:53:14 <EPiSKiNG-> so if it gets imported elsewhere, will gox "auto-sweep" it?
1738 2013-04-27 21:53:35 <sipa> ?
1739 2013-04-27 21:53:38 <EPiSKiNG-> just trying to see if my ultra-cool vanity address is safe
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1741 2013-04-27 21:54:07 <EPiSKiNG-> 1EPiSKiNG139bzcwTm8rxMFNfFFdanLW5K
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1743 2013-04-27 21:54:44 <bytecoin> 28:seed.bitcoin.sipa.be
1744 2013-04-27 21:54:46 <bytecoin> 53:dnsseed.bluematt.me
1745 2013-04-27 21:54:47 <bytecoin> 79:dnsseed.bitcoin.dashjr.org
1746 2013-04-27 21:54:49 <bytecoin> 93:bitseed.xf2.org
1747 2013-04-27 21:55:08 <bytecoin> cummulative seedcount, is this ok, ballpark figures?
1748 2013-04-27 21:55:13 <sipa> looks ok
1749 2013-04-27 21:55:33 <bytecoin> thx, just checkin
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1764 2013-04-27 22:05:16 <gmaxwell> Steve132: consult your own legal advice, but authentication (as opposed to encrpytion) has bright-line permission in US law, there should be no issue.
1765 2013-04-27 22:05:45 <gmaxwell> Caselaw protecting open source software (no matter if it encrypts) in the US is also very strong.
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1774 2013-04-27 22:10:07 <Luke-Jr> melvster1: Ctx is multiple Ltx; Btx is either Ctx or normal
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1776 2013-04-27 22:10:47 <melvster1> ah thx
1777 2013-04-27 22:10:59 <Luke-Jr> bytecoin: sipa: DNS seed shows lookups working find (count increasing)..
1778 2013-04-27 22:11:25 <sipa> yeah, they're fine now
1779 2013-04-27 22:11:44 <Luke-Jr> melvster1: change is always necessary unless you're sending the exact value of a coin in your wallet
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1781 2013-04-27 22:12:39 <melvster1> Luke-Jr: cant the change address be your original address?
1782 2013-04-27 22:12:48 <sipa> Luke-Jr: now it doesn't work
1783 2013-04-27 22:12:52 <Luke-Jr> melvster1: it *can*, but it's bad to make it so
1784 2013-04-27 22:13:03 <sipa> melvster1: change != change address
1785 2013-04-27 22:13:12 <Luke-Jr> sipa: why not?
1786 2013-04-27 22:13:19 <Luke-Jr> looks fine on my end still..
1787 2013-04-27 22:13:33 <bytecoin> Luke-Jr: yes, i re-writing jgarzik picocoin code a bit, just running some tests
1788 2013-04-27 22:13:41 <sipa> Luke-Jr: timeout, it seems
1789 2013-04-27 22:13:55 <sipa> status: SERVFAIL
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1791 2013-04-27 22:14:48 <sipa> Luke-Jr: i can't resolve bitcoin.dashjr.org
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1797 2013-04-27 22:18:34 <Luke-Jr> sipa: afaik there is no bitcoin.dashjr.org
1798 2013-04-27 22:19:02 <Luke-Jr> just dnsseed.bitcoin.dashjr.org
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1801 2013-04-27 22:20:04 <sipa> wel, i need to be able to find an NS for bitcoin.dashjr,org, no?
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1803 2013-04-27 22:20:53 <gmaxwell> a zone can contain the subdomain directly, no?
1804 2013-04-27 22:21:09 <sipa> right
1805 2013-04-27 22:21:49 <sipa> but still, jun.dashjr.org is NS for dnsseed.bitcoin.dashjr.org, itself resolving to 173.242.112.53, but that server doesn't respond to a query
1806 2013-04-27 22:21:56 <sipa> connection timeout
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1809 2013-04-27 22:23:37 <sipa> gmaxwell: not sure you saw, but Diapolo's leveldb problem is caused by the windows api returning an error when opening an sst file for reading... saying that it is in used by another process
1810 2013-04-27 22:24:02 <sipa> gmaxwell: however, these sst files written by windows' mmap-like interface, but read through a file interface
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1812 2013-04-27 22:24:34 <sipa> which indepedently open the file, perhaps causing a conflict if they happen simultaneously
1813 2013-04-27 22:24:42 <sipa> even from the same process
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1815 2013-04-27 22:26:16 <Luke-Jr> sipa: jun.dashjr.org runs your software, which claims it is handling requests..
1816 2013-04-27 22:26:48 <sipa> this is fishy!
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1822 2013-04-27 22:31:06 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: side note: for the quantum-breakthrough contingency plan.. we'd need to broadcast *hashes* of the signature in advance, not the signature itself
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1824 2013-04-27 22:31:21 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: since a QC could derive the pubkey from the signature
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1831 2013-04-27 22:36:46 <ecolo> What does this mean "signing message"? in bitcoin-gt?
1832 2013-04-27 22:36:51 <[7]> BlueMatt: I'm not 100% sure on that matter, but it looks like your bfgminer package will break with ubuntu 13.04 because of the "libudev0" package no longer being availab
1833 2013-04-27 22:36:54 <[7]> available*
1834 2013-04-27 22:37:15 <BlueMatt> I dont build bfgminer?
1835 2013-04-27 22:38:17 <Luke-Jr> O.o
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1837 2013-04-27 22:38:46 <sipa> ecolo: http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/10070/bitcoin-qt-signing
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1839 2013-04-27 22:39:06 <vazakl-> ./nbitcoin-qt-zerocoin.exe
1840 2013-04-27 22:39:09 <vazakl-> oops
1841 2013-04-27 22:39:22 <ecolo> sipa: should i use it? what do you prefer?
1842 2013-04-27 22:40:12 <sipa> ecolo: to do what?
1843 2013-04-27 22:40:20 <sipa> ecolo: use it when you need to, don't if you don't
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1845 2013-04-27 22:42:07 <ecolo> sipa: ok thanks. when do i need it? for a example?
1846 2013-04-27 22:42:24 <sipa> ecolo: if you don't know when to use it, you don't need it
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1848 2013-04-27 22:43:12 <ecolo> sipa: ok. i understand that its to verify that is my bitcoin address. for a example if you send me bitcoin, i could give you the message, so you could verify the bitcoin address its mine, right?
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1851 2013-04-27 22:43:29 <vazakl-> sup
1852 2013-04-27 22:43:32 <ecolo> but is there any other example to use it?
1853 2013-04-27 22:43:41 <sipa> ecolo: it's a very low-level function
1854 2013-04-27 22:44:01 <fishfish> good evening guys, my stupid question of the night: is bitcoind paytxfee= per KB, or per transaction? I'm seeing conflicting links online
1855 2013-04-27 22:44:16 <sipa> fishfish: per started kilobyte
1856 2013-04-27 22:45:00 <fishfish> thanks sipa, i guess it's a bit confusing then, would putting 0.0005 in there make it the 'standard' or could it end up costing me a lot?
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1858 2013-04-27 22:45:38 <ecolo> sipa: so i pay tax for running the bitcoin-gt program?
1859 2013-04-27 22:45:43 <sipa> ecolo: no
1860 2013-04-27 22:45:58 <ecolo> sipa: then i dont understand? sorry bro, iam new too
1861 2013-04-27 22:46:06 <sipa> ecolo: you pay a voluntary fee to increase the priority of your transactions
1862 2013-04-27 22:46:35 <sipa> ecolo: in certain cases, when a transaction looks too much like spam to the network it will be dropped, and in these cases a minimum fee is required
1863 2013-04-27 22:46:44 <sipa> but the fee goes to miners
1864 2013-04-27 22:46:53 <ecolo> sipa: do i need to pay anything at all?
1865 2013-04-27 22:46:54 <sipa> which confirm your transaction
1866 2013-04-27 22:46:57 <fishfish> ah right, answering my own question: "Users may override the default 0.0005 BTC/kb fee setting, but cannot control transaction fees for each transaction" - **Note that a typical transaction is 500 bytes, so the typical transaction fee is 0.0005 BTC, regardless of the number of bitcoins sent.**
1867 2013-04-27 22:47:01 <fishfish> happy days
1868 2013-04-27 22:47:29 <sipa> ecolo: if the transaction is not spammy, no
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1871 2013-04-27 22:47:54 <sipa> (not too large in bytes, old/large enough coins, no very small outputs)
1872 2013-04-27 22:48:10 <ecolo> sipa: when a transaction looks too much like spam to the network it will be dropped. <- so it can decline some transactions?
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1874 2013-04-27 22:48:26 <ecolo> how do i know if it will be dropped?
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1876 2013-04-27 22:48:41 <sipa> because your software uses the same rules
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1878 2013-04-27 22:48:51 <sipa> so it will not create anything it would not relay by itself
1879 2013-04-27 22:49:03 <sipa> but everyone is free to change their software of course
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1882 2013-04-27 22:49:14 <sipa> there are just standard safeguards built into the client
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1886 2013-04-27 22:49:33 <ecolo> sorry i dont understand, can you give me some example sipa?
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1889 2013-04-27 22:49:47 <sipa> ecolo: for?
1890 2013-04-27 22:49:58 <sipa> an example of something that wouldn't be relayed?
1891 2013-04-27 22:50:24 <ecolo> the last thing we talked about, "when a transaction looks too much like spam"
1892 2013-04-27 22:50:35 <sipa> yes
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1895 2013-04-27 22:51:19 <jgarzik> bytecoin: what is getting rewritten in picocoin? :)
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1898 2013-04-27 22:51:51 <bytecoin> Hi jgarzik , I am getting ridd of glib
1899 2013-04-27 22:51:53 <sipa> the rules (built in the reference client) are: not larger than 10 kilobytes, no outputs smaller than 0.01, the age times the amount of every input coin to the transaction is above 1 BTC*day per 250 bytes
1900 2013-04-27 22:51:55 <bytecoin> and openssh
1901 2013-04-27 22:52:01 <bytecoin> openssl
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1903 2013-04-27 22:52:18 <bytecoin> I am doing my own tables
1904 2013-04-27 22:52:33 <ecolo> sipa: ok thanks
1905 2013-04-27 22:52:43 <bytecoin> also using mipr
1906 2013-04-27 22:52:46 <ecolo> when synchronising with the network does that only require bandwidth or is the client actually calculating anything in the process?
1907 2013-04-27 22:52:54 <bytecoin> instead of glib for the bignumber stuff
1908 2013-04-27 22:52:54 <sipa> ecolo: it's calculating a lot
1909 2013-04-27 22:53:11 <sipa> ecolo: it's verifying the entire bitcoin history
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1911 2013-04-27 22:53:14 <ecolo> does it cost anything to synchronising with the network?
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1914 2013-04-27 22:53:42 <sipa> ecolo: electricity, bandwidth, ...
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1917 2013-04-27 22:54:13 <ecolo> sipa: do i need to wait to 100% to send the bitcoin to some other account, for example?
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1923 2013-04-27 22:55:24 <sipa> ecolo: it's complicated, but to be safe: yes
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1927 2013-04-27 22:55:45 <sipa> ecolo: note that you can use lightweight clients that do not verify everything
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1930 2013-04-27 22:56:15 <ecolo> please explain more sipa, what is about the "synchronising with the network"?
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1932 2013-04-27 22:56:26 <rdymac> bytecoin: are you really that close to Lechuga Verde's team?
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1940 2013-04-27 22:56:54 <sipa> ecolo: it is downloading historical blocks with transactions from the network and verifying them
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1945 2013-04-27 22:57:46 <sipa> it checks that no coin is spent twice, for example
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1948 2013-04-27 22:57:57 <sipa> or that miners do not create more coins than they are allowed to
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1959 2013-04-27 22:59:46 <ecolo> thanks sipa
1960 2013-04-27 23:00:18 <bytecoin> rdymac, excuse me,
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1963 2013-04-27 23:00:26 <bytecoin> what do i have to do with him?
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1965 2013-04-27 23:00:50 <ecolo> sipa: if I for a example recive only 0.23 bitcoin / per day /everyday, should i worry about "when a transaction looks too much like spam"?
1966 2013-04-27 23:00:54 <bytecoin> rdymac, i am a pentagon agent just like you
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1968 2013-04-27 23:00:56 <rdymac> Maria2.0 (who said that is making bytecoin) said that knows them well
1969 2013-04-27 23:01:09 <sipa> ecolo: depends how quickly you spend it
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1971 2013-04-27 23:01:20 <sipa> ecolo: and in which amounts you receive it
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1973 2013-04-27 23:01:41 <rdymac> You're wrong, I'm feom wikileaks
1974 2013-04-27 23:01:43 <ecolo> sipa: 0.23 bitcoin per transaction / 1 transacion per day / every day, for a example?
1975 2013-04-27 23:01:56 <sipa> ecolo: depends how quickly you spend it
1976 2013-04-27 23:01:58 <sipa> ecolo: and in which amounts you receive it
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1980 2013-04-27 23:03:44 <rdymac> Lechuga Verde robbed a lot of people, they are a known scam. Telling people your project is driven by Lechuga Verde's real friends is not a good flag
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1983 2013-04-27 23:05:21 <sipa> heh, there's an altcoin called bytecoin now?
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1985 2013-04-27 23:05:38 <sipa> they're not even trying to be useful, it seems
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1989 2013-04-27 23:06:08 <ecolo^> sipa sorry bro my connection get ping out
1990 2013-04-27 23:06:11 <ecolo^> sipa: 0.23 bitcoin per transaction / 1 transacion per day / every day, for a example?
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1992 2013-04-27 23:06:23 <ecolo^> <sipa> ecolo: and in which amounts you receive it
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1995 2013-04-27 23:06:36 <sipa> ok, and how quickly do you spend them?
1996 2013-04-27 23:06:40 <sipa> and in which amounts?
1997 2013-04-27 23:06:41 <rdymac> sipa: yep "it is better because a byte is more than a bit" they are friends of a known scam who robbed a lot of people
1998 2013-04-27 23:06:45 ecolo^ is now known as ecolo
1999 2013-04-27 23:07:31 <ecolo> sipa: I receive 1 transaction per day and this transaction its on 0.23 bitcoin / every day
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2001 2013-04-27 23:07:44 <sipa> ecolo: i know that, but you haven't answered my other questions
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2003 2013-04-27 23:08:00 <sipa> it depends on the exact details of the transactions created
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2005 2013-04-27 23:08:32 <ecolo> I dont understand, give me a example?
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2007 2013-04-27 23:08:43 <ecolo> let us say I dont spend them, i save them keep them
2008 2013-04-27 23:08:52 <sipa> then you obviously don't pay a fee!
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2010 2013-04-27 23:09:21 <ecolo> so if you send me 1 transaction everyday on 0.23 bitcoin
2011 2013-04-27 23:09:34 <ecolo> for a example,i shouldnt worry about that?
2012 2013-04-27 23:09:43 <sipa> of course not
2013 2013-04-27 23:09:47 <sipa> the sender pays a fee
2014 2013-04-27 23:10:02 <ecolo> aha ok
2015 2013-04-27 23:10:03 <sipa> and it depends on the details of the created transaction
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2017 2013-04-27 23:10:06 <rdymac> I would worry... "Why not receiving moar!!!
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2019 2013-04-27 23:10:25 <ecolo> what do you mean by details of the created transaction?
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2021 2013-04-27 23:10:37 <sipa> how many bytes it is
2022 2013-04-27 23:10:41 <sipa> which input coins it uses
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2025 2013-04-27 23:10:47 <sipa> how old those coins are
2026 2013-04-27 23:10:50 <sipa> what value they have
2027 2013-04-27 23:11:08 <ecolo> value? 0.23 its always the same? in real time?
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2029 2013-04-27 23:11:35 <sipa> yes, but assume you have received 0.23 for 3 days in a row
2030 2013-04-27 23:11:41 <sipa> so you have 3 coins of 0.23
2031 2013-04-27 23:11:47 <sipa> now you want to send 0.5 to X
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2033 2013-04-27 23:12:24 <sipa> that means you'll create a transaction that consumes those 3 coins, and produces 2 output coins: one of 0.5 addressed to X, and one of 0.19 back to yourself
2034 2013-04-27 23:12:43 <sipa> if you now want to send 0.1 somewhere, you'll have to use that smaller and younger 0.19 coin
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2037 2013-04-27 23:13:01 <sipa> this is all done by the software, invisibly to the user
2038 2013-04-27 23:13:05 <ecolo> sipa: and how do i choice this?
2039 2013-04-27 23:13:06 <ecolo> aha ok
2040 2013-04-27 23:13:08 <ecolo> hmh
2041 2013-04-27 23:13:52 <ecolo> why does it count "by coin" and not the amount at all?
2042 2013-04-27 23:14:08 <sipa> because coins are the only thing that exist
2043 2013-04-27 23:14:12 <ecolo> like Liberty Reserve for a example
2044 2013-04-27 23:14:20 <sipa> the network does not reason in terms of wallets or balances or addresses
2045 2013-04-27 23:14:36 <sipa> those only exist at the client view
2046 2013-04-27 23:14:41 <ecolo> hmh
2047 2013-04-27 23:16:21 <ecolo> the creator of this system, he/she can math :)
2048 2013-04-27 23:16:33 <ecolo> so thats why its invisible? right?
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2050 2013-04-27 23:16:49 <ecolo> the system?
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2052 2013-04-27 23:17:06 <ecolo> cool
2053 2013-04-27 23:17:06 <jgarzik> bytecoin: are you going to contribute patches back?
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2057 2013-04-27 23:17:52 <ecolo> mathematics
2058 2013-04-27 23:18:00 <bytecoin> jgarzik, I would like to, but my code is radicly different, I use your code as a guide and template though
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2060 2013-04-27 23:18:13 <bytecoin> my lists are not drop in replacements unfortunatly
2061 2013-04-27 23:18:14 <sipa> ecolo: it's invisible because it's not something users need to know
2062 2013-04-27 23:18:38 <ecolo> sipa: but now i see the "image" how it works
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2064 2013-04-27 23:18:40 <ecolo> :)
2065 2013-04-27 23:18:55 <ecolo> the coins have no names
2066 2013-04-27 23:19:07 <ecolo> sorry for my english,brw
2067 2013-04-27 23:19:08 <ecolo> btw
2068 2013-04-27 23:19:13 <sipa> they are identified by the txid of the transaction that created them
2069 2013-04-27 23:19:13 <bytecoin> I am learning a lot from your code on how bitcoin actually works )) gjarzik
2070 2013-04-27 23:19:33 <sipa> bytecoin: are you 'ByteCoin' on the forum?
2071 2013-04-27 23:19:35 <bytecoin> jgarzik: sorry typo your name
2072 2013-04-27 23:19:46 <ecolo> sipa: is it possible to delete a address?
2073 2013-04-27 23:19:54 <ecolo> i cant find this option in the progream
2074 2013-04-27 23:19:55 <bytecoin> no sipa, i am not
2075 2013-04-27 23:19:57 <sipa> ecolo: no
2076 2013-04-27 23:20:13 <bytecoin> i didnt even know that bytecoin even existed, just made it up 2 month ago
2077 2013-04-27 23:20:19 <sipa> ok
2078 2013-04-27 23:20:20 <bytecoin> the name i mean
2079 2013-04-27 23:20:31 <bytecoin> np
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2083 2013-04-27 23:21:50 <ecolo> http://blockchain.info/address/13G61q4gFHF2Pgf3XYkL4VLSZs5PvV%C2%ADN8aW
2084 2013-04-27 23:21:52 <ecolo> Unfortunately, this is not a valid Bitcoin address
2085 2013-04-27 23:22:02 <ecolo> why then is says" its not a valid address sipa?
2086 2013-04-27 23:22:24 <sipa> because it's not a valid address?
2087 2013-04-27 23:22:46 <ecolo> somebody post it for 13 hours ago, how can it not be valid?
2088 2013-04-27 23:22:47 <bytecoin> jgarzik, my intent is to contribute patches back
2089 2013-04-27 23:22:48 <ecolo> for a example?
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2091 2013-04-27 23:23:09 <sipa> ecolo: do you think everything everyone says here is correct?
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2094 2013-04-27 23:23:33 <ecolo> sipa: i tried several bitcoin addresses
2095 2013-04-27 23:23:40 <ecolo> they said the same, "not valid"
2096 2013-04-27 23:23:44 <melvster1> %C2% is Ã
2097 2013-04-27 23:23:51 <sipa> you likely made a typo
2098 2013-04-27 23:23:53 <melvster1> you appear to have a funny letter in there
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2100 2013-04-27 23:24:00 <sipa> there are two weird characters in it
2101 2013-04-27 23:24:14 <bytecoin> jgarzik: my main focus is windows)
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2103 2013-04-27 23:24:35 <melvster1> i dont trust windows for btc
2104 2013-04-27 23:24:41 <bytecoin> but standard C, no windows functions except for winsock
2105 2013-04-27 23:24:55 <bytecoin> and maybe some threading
2106 2013-04-27 23:25:18 <rdymac> I thought bytecoin was really a April's Fool
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2109 2013-04-27 23:26:15 <ecolo> sipa: i copy it correct, lol
2110 2013-04-27 23:26:16 <ecolo> strange
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2112 2013-04-27 23:26:25 <sipa> you did not
2113 2013-04-27 23:26:45 <sipa> you have an A with a ^ on it
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2115 2013-04-27 23:27:45 <ecolo> http://blockchain.info/address/1E8FA4Jixt7hQuMrAU6G4PqAKabEJBADoFDN
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2117 2013-04-27 23:27:58 <ecolo> you mean %C2%?
2118 2013-04-27 23:27:59 <ecolo> right?
2119 2013-04-27 23:28:06 <sipa> yes
2120 2013-04-27 23:28:13 <ecolo> i just ctrl + C and copy it
2121 2013-04-27 23:28:22 <ecolo> i dont understand why the %C2% was there
2122 2013-04-27 23:28:32 <sipa> doesn't matter
2123 2013-04-27 23:28:36 <sipa> that one still isn't valid
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2125 2013-04-27 23:29:51 <ecolo> strange I copy it and paste it correct, lol?
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2127 2013-04-27 23:30:20 <ecolo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwy5kgwvzE4
2128 2013-04-27 23:30:25 <ecolo> i found them here try by you self
2129 2013-04-27 23:30:39 <ecolo> in the comments
2130 2013-04-27 23:30:55 <ecolo> I just copy the addresses, and paste them in front of http://blockchain.info/address/
2131 2013-04-27 23:30:58 <sipa> then perhaps what is pasted there is invalid
2132 2013-04-27 23:31:09 <ecolo> hmh ok
2133 2013-04-27 23:31:36 <ecolo> ok back to the point, so if i create a address, it will always be valid?
2134 2013-04-27 23:31:49 <sipa> yes
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2137 2013-04-27 23:34:04 <ecolo> ok
2138 2013-04-27 23:34:12 <ecolo> "they are identified by the txid of the transaction that created them" what do you mean by "txid"?
2139 2013-04-27 23:34:21 <sipa> transaction id
2140 2013-04-27 23:34:26 <ecolo> address?
2141 2013-04-27 23:34:33 <sipa> no
2142 2013-04-27 23:34:57 <sipa> 11b0a095818e407995b942927e4284269bee0f40303dc70dea8581251f2b1d88
2143 2013-04-27 23:35:00 <ecolo> but if the police get my bitcoin address, they can see all my transactions right?
2144 2013-04-27 23:35:04 <sipa> is a transaction id, for example
2145 2013-04-27 23:35:07 <sipa> yes
2146 2013-04-27 23:35:20 <sipa> that is why you use a different address for every incoming transaction
2147 2013-04-27 23:35:25 <sipa> so it is hard to link them
2148 2013-04-27 23:35:30 <ecolo> right
2149 2013-04-27 23:35:42 <ecolo> thanks
2150 2013-04-27 23:36:02 <ecolo> i really start to like bitcoin :)
2151 2013-04-27 23:37:48 <ecolo> is the "minning" the servers that makes this possible?
2152 2013-04-27 23:37:57 <ecolo> i mean the hole bitcoin system
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2154 2013-04-27 23:38:20 <sipa> you may want to read a bit into all that
2155 2013-04-27 23:38:39 <ecolo> ok you have any link about it?
2156 2013-04-27 23:39:02 <sipa> bitcoin.it
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2158 2013-04-27 23:39:11 <sipa> bitcoin.stackexchange.com
2159 2013-04-27 23:39:30 <sipa> maybe even bitcointalk.org, some of the sticky threads in the dev forum
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2162 2013-04-27 23:40:08 <ecolo> thanks
2163 2013-04-27 23:40:56 <ecolo> haha this guy he make this bitcoin
2164 2013-04-27 23:41:04 <ecolo> as i see, its not possible to take it down? right?
2165 2013-04-27 23:41:09 <vazakl-> bitcoin good
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2167 2013-04-27 23:44:09 <ecolo> cannot be manipulated
2168 2013-04-27 23:44:32 <vazakl-> its controlled by a small number of super-miners
2169 2013-04-27 23:45:00 <vazakl-> they are sort of like th board of governors of the federal reserve, deciding what happens for the rest of the users
2170 2013-04-27 23:46:07 <vazakl-> but they dont have an army
2171 2013-04-27 23:46:23 <vazakl-> so if they misbehave, users can move to a different network
2172 2013-04-27 23:46:41 <gmaxwell> "controlled by" ... what miners can do is tightly constrained by the system.
2173 2013-04-27 23:46:59 <gmaxwell> and nothing forces anyone to use a gigantic pool except ignorance.
2174 2013-04-27 23:47:05 <ecolo> diffrent network? so you mean that blockchain is a minner? whats happend if they take down the blockchain?
2175 2013-04-27 23:47:45 <sipa> ecolo: the blockchain is an abstract concept
2176 2013-04-27 23:47:53 <sipa> what do you mean by "take down the blockchain" ?
2177 2013-04-27 23:48:24 <ecolo> After an hour or two, each transaction is locked in time by the massive amount of processing power that continues to extend the blockchain.
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2179 2013-04-27 23:48:29 <sipa> and miners build the blockchain, not the other way around
2180 2013-04-27 23:48:56 <ecolo> ok but vazakl- sayd, "so if they misbehave, users can move to a different network"
2181 2013-04-27 23:49:14 <ecolo> how would they misbehave? and what other diffrent network are there?
2182 2013-04-27 23:49:28 <vazakl-> ecolo: in a situation like that, where the users revolted, theyd have to change the protocol rules to prevent the abuse, essentially forking the chain
2183 2013-04-27 23:49:49 <sipa> vazakl-: i'm not sure you understand
2184 2013-04-27 23:50:13 <sipa> but running a node is how you prevent miners from not following the rules
2185 2013-04-27 23:50:21 <vazakl-> ?
2186 2013-04-27 23:50:44 <vazakl-> miners have discretion that isnt governed by any existing rules. if they misbehav, new rules would have to be written in a fork
2187 2013-04-27 23:50:45 <sipa> if miners create blocks that do not obey the rules implemented by your client, you will simply ignore that block
2188 2013-04-27 23:50:57 <sipa> true, they have some discretion indeed
2189 2013-04-27 23:51:01 <sipa> but it's very limited
2190 2013-04-27 23:51:08 <vazakl-> it would be a much different looking bitcoin, but technically it would be some kind of fork to prevent the abuse
2191 2013-04-27 23:51:59 <vazakl-> how is it limited? there are zero constraints on which transactions they can choose to ignore
2192 2013-04-27 23:52:15 <vazakl-> their discretion is fairly unlimited...
2193 2013-04-27 23:52:33 <sipa> you are also free to run your own miner to include the transactions you like
2194 2013-04-27 23:52:50 <sipa> and unless the others do a 51% attack on you, they can't prevent you from doing so
2195 2013-04-27 23:53:27 <vazakl-> i dont have any significant computing power. the decision is up to the super-miners who control the blockchain. a small number of people
2196 2013-04-27 23:53:57 <vazakl-> what keeps them in check is a social aspect, the threat of users forking off
2197 2013-04-27 23:54:03 <Steve132> Is it possible to verify that a miner did computational work
2198 2013-04-27 23:54:06 <vazakl-> but its not a technical constraint...
2199 2013-04-27 23:54:13 <Steve132> without replicating the work that they did?
2200 2013-04-27 23:54:20 <sipa> Steve132: of course, that's what the PoW mechanism is about
2201 2013-04-27 23:54:30 <sipa> Steve132: that is how the block frequency is kept constant
2202 2013-04-27 23:54:55 <Steve132> Can you go into a little more detail on that?
2203 2013-04-27 23:55:11 <sipa> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof-of-work_system
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