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4 2013-04-30 00:02:35 <buZz> multiwallet? :O
5 2013-04-30 00:02:44 <buZz> one wallet for more than one coin?
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7 2013-04-30 00:02:59 <sipa> no, multiple wallets for the same coin :)
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9 2013-04-30 00:03:17 <sipa> (wallets as in the money-container abstraction, not the software)
10 2013-04-30 00:03:24 <buZz> oh meh
11 2013-04-30 00:03:40 <buZz> i still want a client that will let me manage all these coins in one go
12 2013-04-30 00:04:16 <sipa> if the changes between the different coins are so small that they are maintainable inside a single codebase, the changes are probably not interesting
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15 2013-04-30 00:10:20 <sipa> The_Fly: indeed, the reconnection code doesn't allow interruption
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17 2013-04-30 00:11:57 <The_Fly> ok, i have been unable to recreate it
18 2013-04-30 00:12:22 <The_Fly> but i think that's where that bad block comes from, the kill -9 (didn't actually try a straight kill)
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28 2013-04-30 00:21:05 <The_Fly> well, i recreated it...
29 2013-04-30 00:21:38 <sipa> how?
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32 2013-04-30 00:22:10 <The_Fly> if i dont use testnet i can force it into the same (rpc unresponsive) state
33 2013-04-30 00:22:26 <The_Fly> although was happneing with testnet before
34 2013-04-30 00:22:29 <The_Fly> http://pastebin.com/RiSXNu8G
35 2013-04-30 00:22:41 <The_Fly> are my -printtoconsole messages, now trying with -debug
36 2013-04-30 00:22:58 <The_Fly> oh,and it *did* respond to a standard kill
37 2013-04-30 00:23:06 <The_Fly> so i guess this time i wont get a corrupt block
38 2013-04-30 00:23:07 <The_Fly> ...
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40 2013-04-30 00:23:24 <The_Fly> yep, no corrupt block
41 2013-04-30 00:23:35 <sipa> The_Fly: what's going on there? looks like a normal shutdown
42 2013-04-30 00:24:39 <The_Fly> it does... just the RPC server is not coming on
43 2013-04-30 00:24:48 <The_Fly> is doing it in master and 0mq branch
44 2013-04-30 00:25:10 <sipa> heh
45 2013-04-30 00:26:12 <The_Fly> again, clean shutdown with kill. http://pastebin.com/DPLr2FHm
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47 2013-04-30 00:26:23 <The_Fly> but no can do RPC stop
48 2013-04-30 00:27:03 <sipa> can you paste a bit more?
49 2013-04-30 00:27:12 <The_Fly> erm, there's rather a lot
50 2013-04-30 00:27:19 <The_Fly> i can paste the whole debug.log
51 2013-04-30 00:27:20 <The_Fly> ...
52 2013-04-30 00:27:52 <sipa> the first few pages after startup (when RPC isn't coming up)
53 2013-04-30 00:29:47 <The_Fly> hm, is not giving me a debug.log either
54 2013-04-30 00:30:16 <sipa> ?
55 2013-04-30 00:30:16 <The_Fly> ah wait, printtoconsole lol
56 2013-04-30 00:30:24 <sipa> ha
57 2013-04-30 00:30:28 <The_Fly> hehe
58 2013-04-30 00:30:46 <syskk> im getting "libssl.1.0.0.dylib malformed object" when running macdeploy
59 2013-04-30 00:30:50 <syskk> anyone knows why?
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61 2013-04-30 00:33:12 <The_Fly> sipa: http://pastebin.com/yPprhibt
62 2013-04-30 00:33:47 <The_Fly> i dont see RPC mentioned once in this log!
63 2013-04-30 00:33:52 <The_Fly> hrm.....
64 2013-04-30 00:34:45 <The_Fly> was started with -daemon ...
65 2013-04-30 00:35:17 <sipa> is this bitcoin-qt or bitcoind?
66 2013-04-30 00:35:28 <The_Fly> bitcoind
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68 2013-04-30 00:39:42 <syskk> sipa: any idea?
69 2013-04-30 00:39:44 <Luke-Jr> saivann: I think you should consider posting those "guidelines" you wrote up earlier, even if they're not described as cold and hard rules
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71 2013-04-30 00:40:15 <sipa> syskk: i know ~nothing about OSX
72 2013-04-30 00:40:32 <saivann> jgarzik didn't seem to agree so much with having guidelines, or at least rules
73 2013-04-30 00:40:35 <syskk> sipa: ok :(
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75 2013-04-30 00:40:54 <syskk> I will try to reinstall openssl
76 2013-04-30 00:41:21 <gmaxwell> I think the discussion has show that 'guidelines' being posted wouldn't be helpful. People would just misconstrew them and demand they be used as a suicide pact.
77 2013-04-30 00:41:36 <Luke-Jr> saivann: [Wednesday, April 24, 2013] [2:56:03 AM] <jgarzik> saivann: the rules seem good as guidelines, sure
78 2013-04-30 00:42:00 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: maybe, but at least they couldn't claim things were unclear
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82 2013-04-30 00:42:52 <saivann> Basically, we can't extract to the fact that these matters subject to interpretation.. So even if there's guidelines, it's subtle..
83 2013-04-30 00:42:59 <gmaxwell> ^ exactly.
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86 2013-04-30 00:43:37 <saivann> I sort of think that these guidelines would be good to help us in our decisions, not to protects us against trolls..
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88 2013-04-30 00:44:32 <gmaxwell> saivann: I think that they're probably already mostly in our heads. Or at least I've seen substantial evidence that jgarzik, mike, you, and myself are generally of similar opinions here.
89 2013-04-30 00:44:53 <gmaxwell> (I don't mean on specific people, I mean on the approach generally)
90 2013-04-30 00:45:02 <Luke-Jr> â¦
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92 2013-04-30 00:46:55 <saivann> And as jgarzik said, hard rules are bad. They can prevent us to react in a rational way to new circumstances. Or to allow one of us to disagree.
93 2013-04-30 00:47:11 <The_Fly> sipa: StartRPCThreads is defintely called, will try again on master with new .bitcoind again
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95 2013-04-30 00:47:51 <gmaxwell> saivann: they're also bad because they favor rules lawyering. E.g. where people start arguing over the language of the rule instead of the best outcome.
96 2013-04-30 00:48:04 <saivann> :(
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101 2013-04-30 00:50:15 <The_Fly> i wonder if alertnotify should also send a 0mq message...
102 2013-04-30 00:50:53 <The_Fly> and perhaps even a debug message channel
103 2013-04-30 00:51:16 <sipa> ;;bc,diff
104 2013-04-30 00:51:17 <gribble> Error: "bc,diff" is not a valid command.
105 2013-04-30 00:51:19 <sipa> ;;diff
106 2013-04-30 00:51:20 <gribble> 8974296.01488785
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108 2013-04-30 00:52:34 <sipa> ;;calc [diff]*2**48/65535
109 2013-04-30 00:52:35 <gribble> 38544896037004512
110 2013-04-30 00:53:14 <sipa> ;;calc 1/([diff]*2**48/65535)
111 2013-04-30 00:53:15 <gribble> 0
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113 2013-04-30 00:54:25 <The_Fly> and yes, i can confirm, on current master... start up -daemon, try to stop, fails
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115 2013-04-30 00:54:59 <The_Fly> StartRPCThreads is definitely being called
116 2013-04-30 00:56:14 <The_Fly> try it yourself
117 2013-04-30 00:56:16 <The_Fly> is definitely a problem
118 2013-04-30 00:56:26 <sipa> it's that easy? just -daemon?
119 2013-04-30 00:56:39 <sipa> i'm rebuilding my chain, but will try soon
120 2013-04-30 00:56:41 <The_Fly> and -debug but makes no difference
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122 2013-04-30 00:57:05 <The_Fly> tried with a .bitcoin with a bitcoin.conf there in place
123 2013-04-30 00:57:23 <The_Fly> and also starting without .bitcoin, allowing bitcoind to mkdir and complain, etc.
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125 2013-04-30 00:57:26 <The_Fly> both same
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128 2013-04-30 00:59:31 <The_Fly> adding some debugging here
129 2013-04-30 00:59:38 <The_Fly> if only the build wasn't so slow
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136 2013-04-30 01:01:24 <atweiden> how do you include a fee in your transaction when running createrawtransaction, signrawtransaction, sendrawtransaction?
137 2013-04-30 01:01:59 <sipa> atweiden: by having value of the input coins be more than the value of the output coins
138 2013-04-30 01:02:05 <sipa> the difference is fee
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140 2013-04-30 01:02:55 <atweiden> so in gavin's example https://gist.github.com/gavinandresen/3966071
141 2013-04-30 01:03:11 <atweiden> specifically createrawtransaction
142 2013-04-30 01:03:22 <atweiden> the fee is 0.01 - vout
143 2013-04-30 01:03:26 <atweiden> ?
144 2013-04-30 01:04:07 <sipa> input - 0.01
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146 2013-04-30 01:04:34 <jgarzik> I hate rules lawyering. I'm a veteran of Dungeons & Dragons.
147 2013-04-30 01:04:45 <sipa> it uses one input coin (d6f72aab8ff86ff6289842a0424319bf2ddba85dc7c52757912297f948286389:0), and creates one output of value 0.01
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149 2013-04-30 01:04:55 <sipa> the difference in value between them is fee
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153 2013-04-30 01:05:16 <sipa> jgarzik: haha
154 2013-04-30 01:05:18 <atweiden> oh i see, thanks sipa
155 2013-04-30 01:05:55 <atweiden> so if the input coin was 10, the fee would be 9.99?
156 2013-04-30 01:06:03 <sipa> indeed
157 2013-04-30 01:10:15 <atweiden> sipa: does the fee come out of the transaction *in addition* to the sending of 0.01 to the multisig address?
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160 2013-04-30 01:12:34 <sipa> atweiden: i guess?
161 2013-04-30 01:12:56 <sipa> all inputs are consumed, something has to be done with their value
162 2013-04-30 01:13:07 <sipa> some of it goes to outputs, some of it goes to fees
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164 2013-04-30 01:14:22 <sipa> jgarzik, gmaxwell, saivann: i think i'm glad i unsubscribed from bitcoin/bitcoin.org :)
165 2013-04-30 01:14:35 <saivann> sipa : x_X
166 2013-04-30 01:15:05 <saivann> I hope that it calms down, because it's counterproductive for everyone..
167 2013-04-30 01:15:36 <saivann> ..And I am actually afraid that many people did like you..
168 2013-04-30 01:15:49 <sipa> ?
169 2013-04-30 01:16:36 <sipa> perhaps the debate causes more people to unsubscribe, which would automatically calm things down
170 2013-04-30 01:16:53 <saivann> sipa: If many people unsubscribed from bitcoin.org, that means there is less experienced people to comment, and more trolls in control.
171 2013-04-30 01:16:54 <sipa> wait no... http://xkcd.com/386
172 2013-04-30 01:17:07 <saivann> :)
173 2013-04-30 01:17:27 <sipa> saivann: i never commented on that whole debate
174 2013-04-30 01:17:31 <atweiden> sipa: what does vout do? i feel i'm still missing something
175 2013-04-30 01:17:49 <jgarzik> sipa: you were wise ;p
176 2013-04-30 01:17:50 <sipa> atweiden: it's the number of the output of the mentioned transaction that is consumed
177 2013-04-30 01:18:01 <sipa> jgarzik: i hate politics
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179 2013-04-30 01:19:04 <sipa> and i think it was clear from the start that it'd be a debate between groups of people with such wildly different opinions that they'd never agree (though i don't know how it evolved the past days)
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182 2013-04-30 01:19:41 <saivann> sipa : Maybe I was naive, but I thought we could find a compromise.
183 2013-04-30 01:19:58 <atweiden> sipa: does itthe number of the output have to match the input's total value? can you make up the vout number?
184 2013-04-30 01:20:09 <sipa> atweiden: no, not at all
185 2013-04-30 01:20:11 <gmaxwell> I thought the emansipator guy's comments were pretty spot on.
186 2013-04-30 01:20:20 <jgarzik> indeed. And you get the familiar intention view-skewing, by trolling in the right venues for likeminded viewpoints
187 2013-04-30 01:20:29 <jgarzik> *intentional
188 2013-04-30 01:20:44 <sipa> atweiden: if transaction X has 3 outputs, they have numbers 0, 1, 2; assume they have value 0.1, 0.2 and 0.3
189 2013-04-30 01:21:00 <sipa> assume all are to yourself, so you can use them
190 2013-04-30 01:21:13 <sipa> now you want to send 0.35 to address A
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192 2013-04-30 01:21:23 <sipa> so you create a change address C for yourself
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194 2013-04-30 01:22:27 <sipa> and then construct a transaction that consumes X:0 and X:2 (with values 0.1 and 0.3), and has two outputs, value 0.35 to A (output 0) and value 0.04 to C (output 1)
195 2013-04-30 01:22:33 <sipa> the difference is 0.01 fee
196 2013-04-30 01:22:37 <intrd> jgarzik can u help with this? i'm getting 401 error on authproxy.py when eloipool try to coonect on my bitcoind.. but l/pw is the same of bitcoin.conf, same port, localhost allowed, all seems ok.. but i get ThreadRPCServer incorrect password attempt from ::ffff:127.0.0.1 on bitcoind.. any ideas? details: http://pastebin.com/RjBTEc81
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198 2013-04-30 01:22:49 <sipa> atweiden: so the vout's here are 0 and 2
199 2013-04-30 01:22:59 <sipa> because you consume outputs 0 and 2 of X
200 2013-04-30 01:23:17 <sipa> (typically you won't consume different outputs from the same txid)
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204 2013-04-30 01:24:07 <intrd> i'm stuck on this, troubleshooting for a day.. anyone get this error?
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208 2013-04-30 01:28:01 <atweiden> sipa: what is transaction X?
209 2013-04-30 01:28:14 <atweiden> the one you're about to make or historical?
210 2013-04-30 01:29:10 <sipa> historical
211 2013-04-30 01:29:14 <sipa> one that credited you
212 2013-04-30 01:31:38 <atweiden> what if the wallet is freshly funded? i assume i only have 1 output to work with? what can you do with vout
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214 2013-04-30 01:31:49 <atweiden> newly created wallet*
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216 2013-04-30 01:32:37 <sipa> you don't "do" anything with it
217 2013-04-30 01:32:44 <sipa> it's just the number of the output you're consuming
218 2013-04-30 01:32:57 <sipa> you don't get to choose it
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221 2013-04-30 01:33:42 <atweiden> if you run listunspent, is the 'index' value the vout you pick from?
222 2013-04-30 01:34:48 <sipa> yes
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224 2013-04-30 01:35:05 <sipa> the name should have been consistent
225 2013-04-30 01:35:11 <sipa> apparently it isn't
226 2013-04-30 01:36:13 <sipa> The_Fly: running bitcoind with -daemon and then running ./bitcoind stop works perfectly here
227 2013-04-30 01:36:57 <atweiden> it may be different in electrum
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229 2013-04-30 01:38:13 <sipa> atweiden: can you do raw transactions in electrum?
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232 2013-04-30 01:38:31 <atweiden> i'm about to find out :)
233 2013-04-30 01:38:45 <atweiden> it does have a cli
234 2013-04-30 01:39:03 <NHL> Hi. a quick question to anyone who knows about this. is transaction replacement still disabled?
235 2013-04-30 01:39:21 <NHL> thnx for the help in advance
236 2013-04-30 01:39:23 <Line_> hey devs, im trying to wrangle the timestamps from the jsonrpc api
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238 2013-04-30 01:40:05 <Line_> can i speak in here?
239 2013-04-30 01:40:09 <sipa> sure
240 2013-04-30 01:40:35 <NHL> yup yup, alive bots are here :)
241 2013-04-30 01:40:43 <sipa> NHL: it is
242 2013-04-30 01:40:54 <NHL> sipa you absolutely sure?
243 2013-04-30 01:40:58 <sipa> yes
244 2013-04-30 01:41:03 <sipa> there's discussion about it, though
245 2013-04-30 01:41:27 <NHL> Thank you so much. I am working on one of Mike Hearn's contracts suggestion
246 2013-04-30 01:41:45 <sipa> cool
247 2013-04-30 01:42:00 <NHL> yeah I remembered everytime the subject is on the devs vehemtly refused to enable it
248 2013-04-30 01:42:23 <sipa> it's only very recently even been suggested to enable it
249 2013-04-30 01:42:29 <NHL> Are you sure you are mixing it with n_lock_time
250 2013-04-30 01:42:33 <sipa> and yes, it's controversial
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252 2013-04-30 01:42:44 <NHL> I meant not mixing it
253 2013-04-30 01:42:47 <sipa> yes
254 2013-04-30 01:42:58 <NHL> ok thnx
255 2013-04-30 01:43:02 <sipa> nLockTime is enabled (and has ever been), as it's part of the network rules
256 2013-04-30 01:43:08 <Line_> hello devs, im trying to wrange the timestamps coming from the jsonRPC calls to bitcoind
257 2013-04-30 01:43:09 <sipa> transaction replacement is just a local policy
258 2013-04-30 01:43:10 <nsh> can someone summarise the controversy/debate?
259 2013-04-30 01:43:11 <Line_> what format are they in?
260 2013-04-30 01:43:19 <nsh> is a matter of opcode safety?
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262 2013-04-30 01:43:20 <sipa> Line_: unix timestamps
263 2013-04-30 01:43:35 <Line_> thanks ill look to get them into datetime mysql
264 2013-04-30 01:43:42 <NHL> basically they think it might be a way to spam the network
265 2013-04-30 01:43:58 <NHL> you know, ppl making some... miners keep track of them in mem
266 2013-04-30 01:43:58 <sipa> indeed
267 2013-04-30 01:44:32 <saracen> Hmms
268 2013-04-30 01:44:56 <NHL> But solutions can be made
269 2013-04-30 01:45:13 <sipa> of course, but agreeing on those solutions is something else :)
270 2013-04-30 01:45:51 <NHL> for example for the two traders, They should not sign a tx with lower version than the lock and for the miners when they see a tx with ver > 0, If they don't have v0 in mem they should discard it
271 2013-04-30 01:45:58 <NHL> yeah....
272 2013-04-30 01:46:20 <NHL> But ver replacement opens too many options
273 2013-04-30 01:46:25 <NHL> too many ideas...
274 2013-04-30 01:46:48 <NHL> I am telling you my wall will thank the devs for how many old notes that are foing to be taken down
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276 2013-04-30 01:47:02 <saracen> A small flaw in GitHub has lead to me looking like I have done a bunch of commits to the Bitcoin project, and have been listed on the bitcoin.org website.
277 2013-04-30 01:47:13 <saracen> I've removed the problem, but GitHub is probably going to cache it for awhile
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279 2013-04-30 01:47:31 <nsh> heh saracen
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281 2013-04-30 01:47:37 <NHL> lol
282 2013-04-30 01:47:42 <saracen> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commits?page=110
283 2013-04-30 01:47:51 <NHL> ok thanks guys thanks Sipa. Good night all
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285 2013-04-30 01:48:17 <nsh> saracen, nice to meet you satoshi
286 2013-04-30 01:48:23 <nsh> :P
287 2013-04-30 01:48:27 <saracen> nsh: :)
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291 2013-04-30 01:52:23 <CodeShark> in the RPC, is there any way to call sendmany without specifying an account?
292 2013-04-30 01:52:32 <CodeShark> if not, there should be a method which allows this
293 2013-04-30 01:52:57 <CodeShark> or it should be possible to pass the wildcard for the account name
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295 2013-04-30 01:54:23 <saracen> Why not just add a * account and send it from there if you dont want to deduct the value from other accounts?
296 2013-04-30 01:54:43 <CodeShark> point is I don't care which accounts the coins come from
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299 2013-04-30 01:54:54 <CodeShark> just like you can call sendtoaddress without specifying an account name
300 2013-04-30 01:55:15 <sipa> CodeShark: sendtoaddress uses account=""
301 2013-04-30 01:55:22 <CodeShark> oh, doh!
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305 2013-04-30 01:56:54 <atweiden> i owe you one sipa
306 2013-04-30 01:57:10 <sipa> thanks, but i already have a sipa
307 2013-04-30 01:57:28 <saracen> What's wrong with two?
308 2013-04-30 01:57:45 <sipa> they'd never agree on anything
309 2013-04-30 01:57:52 <atweiden> haha
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313 2013-04-30 02:01:23 <Line_> uhh, whats the timezone of the unix timestamps for the blockchain?
314 2013-04-30 02:01:26 <Line_> gmt utc?
315 2013-04-30 02:01:38 <CodeShark> then I need a call "move all addresses in account X to account Y" - argh...
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317 2013-04-30 02:02:01 <CodeShark> not hard to do...just a lot more tedious than I was hoping for :p
318 2013-04-30 02:02:25 <sipa> Line_: unix timestamps are defined as the number of seconds since 1 jan 1970 0:00 UTC
319 2013-04-30 02:02:34 <sipa> Line_: they're timezone independent
320 2013-04-30 02:02:37 <Line_> thank you
321 2013-04-30 02:02:53 <Line_> ill need to do the conversion on my end then, im getting a -05:00 offset
322 2013-04-30 02:02:56 <Line_> php nonsense
323 2013-04-30 02:03:35 <sipa> CodeShark: addresses or transactions?
324 2013-04-30 02:04:11 <sipa> (the from account is stored in transactions)
325 2013-04-30 02:04:15 <CodeShark> setaccount takes an address and an account
326 2013-04-30 02:04:26 <sipa> yes
327 2013-04-30 02:05:01 * sipa zZzZ
328 2013-04-30 02:07:21 <CodeShark> yet another bunch of reasons why NEVER EVER EVER EVER to use the wallet account system and instead manage all those details on my end
329 2013-04-30 02:07:25 <CodeShark> lol
330 2013-04-30 02:08:01 <CodeShark> everytime I've used it thinking it would ease some implementation on the other end, it turns out to complicate it
331 2013-04-30 02:08:20 <gavinandresen> You have to either use it 100% or not use it at all.
332 2013-04-30 02:08:38 <gavinandresen> It is always a bad idea to split data between 2 different databases
333 2013-04-30 02:08:48 <CodeShark> using it 100% is never an option because I need to be able to assign and import addresses dynamically
334 2013-04-30 02:08:56 <gavinandresen> okey dokey
335 2013-04-30 02:09:45 <CodeShark> the only reason I was using it in this particular app was so that I could differentiate deposits made by users and deposits made by admins
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338 2013-04-30 02:09:53 <CodeShark> getbalance could be called on either account
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340 2013-04-30 02:10:43 <CodeShark> but I want to be able to withdraw from the wallet without regard for which account it came from
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355 2013-04-30 02:23:13 <CodeShark> anyhow, point is even if the bitcoind built-in account system supports 95% of what one wants to do, the remaining 5% means one must pretty much implement the whole thing oneself
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357 2013-04-30 02:27:21 <CodeShark> sorry, just frustrated because I thought I was completely done with this app...but I'm probably going to have to reimplement it
358 2013-04-30 02:28:07 <CodeShark> or at least reimplement that entire portion that deals with distinguishing between user deposits and admin deposits
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362 2013-04-30 02:31:32 <CodeShark> blah, it's no big deal, really - I'm just tired
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365 2013-04-30 02:35:34 <CodeShark> my bad for not having made sure that the "*" account can't be passed to sendtoaddress and sendmany
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368 2013-04-30 02:43:12 <jgarzik> CodeShark: the bitcoind account system is lame, and quickly outgrown ;p
369 2013-04-30 02:43:26 <jgarzik> CodeShark: bigger projects inevitably wind up rethinking key management in general
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374 2013-04-30 02:45:59 <saracen> Will the account system one day be removed?
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376 2013-04-30 02:48:02 <Cusipzzz> I like accounts
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379 2013-04-30 02:50:12 <Luke-Jr> saracen: hopefully optimized if not
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381 2013-04-30 02:50:15 <saracen> But with the live notifications from bitcoind in the future, the accounts could easily be kept elsewhere
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395 2013-04-30 03:03:09 <gmaxwell> saracen: "live notifications from bitcoind in the future, the accounts could easily be kept elsewhere" it's kind of orthorgonal. Accounts really aren't quite suited for e.g. running a shared walletâ no live replication means no durability of metadata changes...
396 2013-04-30 03:03:54 <gmaxwell> but they're perfectly ducky for more casual accounting. They make my tax reporting easier. Perhaps that should ultimately be replaced with accounting system bitcoin intergration too, but its less obvious.
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427 2013-04-30 03:57:35 <The_Fly> CodeShark: i've merged your multiwallet with master, 0mq with master and have now put in support for namespace 0mq wallet messages (e.g. wallet.default{...json...} or wallet.test{...json...})
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430 2013-04-30 03:58:03 <The_Fly> so now one can subscribe to messages for an individual wallet or all wallets
431 2013-04-30 03:58:32 <The_Fly> and can tell by looking at the message prefix the wallet in question
432 2013-04-30 03:58:33 <phantomcircuit> The_Fly, you know that 0mq makes no delivery guarantees right
433 2013-04-30 03:58:51 <The_Fly> yes, i do
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435 2013-04-30 03:59:07 <phantomcircuit> good just checking
436 2013-04-30 03:59:27 <The_Fly> https://github.com/rabbitmq/rmq-0mq/wiki
437 2013-04-30 03:59:46 <The_Fly> it makes sense to use 0mq and leave rabbitmq as an optional and external add-on
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439 2013-04-30 04:00:31 <The_Fly> i'm going to be hooking up the allertnotify event into a 0mq message, those messages probably dont need transactions or persistence
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442 2013-04-30 04:01:32 <Luke-Jr> The_Fly: you know CodeShark's multiwallet is dead, right? :p
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444 2013-04-30 04:02:10 <The_Fly> i saw he had a multiwallet-new
445 2013-04-30 04:02:16 <The_Fly> which is a month old
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447 2013-04-30 04:03:55 <The_Fly> plus it's not very dead if i've got it sucessfully merged and running into latest master
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449 2013-04-30 04:06:01 <The_Fly> ive merged both 0mq and multiwallet separately and am now bringing those branches together into a 0mq+multiwallet branch, it's useful for my purposes
450 2013-04-30 04:06:13 <The_Fly> and hopefully useful for others too
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465 2013-04-30 04:21:48 <mollison> gmaxwell: want to ask you in particular something about bitcoin-qt's use of random numbers, you around?
466 2013-04-30 04:22:36 <gmaxwell> mollison: Hm?
467 2013-04-30 04:24:15 <mollison> gmaxwell: if you look at man 4 random, it states that /dev/random should be used for "long-term keys", and i just checked, and at least on my machine, that is what gnupg is doing (for example). so shouldn't bitcoin-qt also follow that advice and use /dev/random? or are the bitcoin devs certain that that is not good advice?
468 2013-04-30 04:24:51 <mollison> gmaxwell: man 4 random mentions that there may be classified attacks on the kind of data produced by /dev/urandom
469 2013-04-30 04:25:17 <gmaxwell> I'm really not going to go through this discussion again, sorry. Go take it up with opensls.
470 2013-04-30 04:25:20 <gmaxwell> er openssl
471 2013-04-30 04:25:22 <mollison> gmaxwell: basically i just wanted to make sure you're aware that the man page writer seems to be saying NOT to do something that bitcoin-qt is doing
472 2013-04-30 04:25:59 <mollison> gmaxwell: ok... but i'm not bringing this up for my own intellectual satisfaction, i'm bringing it up b/c, as i said above, the man pages are saying not to do something that you all are doing.
473 2013-04-30 04:26:09 <gmaxwell> That isn't what the manpage writer is saying there.
474 2013-04-30 04:26:54 <mollison> gmaxwell: "As a general rule, /dev/urandom should be used for everything except long-lived GPG/SSL/SSH keys." I would think that a long-lived bitcoin private key would fit in that category.
475 2013-04-30 04:27:23 <gmaxwell> In an information theoretic sense it may be possible to determine some urandom output based on a bunch of other urandom output, assuming you can compromise sha1 and actually have a bunch of other random output. This is not a threat model which applies to Bitcoin generally, as I explained the prior time.
476 2013-04-30 04:28:08 <Guest63996> mollison: Long answer: get yourself a copy of Cryptography Engineering https://www.schneier.com/book-ce.html and read it, particularly the section on random number generation. Short answer, well, I'm busy.
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478 2013-04-30 04:28:22 <mollison> gmaxwell: interesting that you are asserting a disagreement with presumably gnupg which does use dev/random, AND the man page, but OK.
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480 2013-04-30 04:28:42 <petertodd> mollison: really short answer, they're both fine
481 2013-04-30 04:28:43 <mollison> gmaxwell: i don't know enough to argue it or care to argue it... just wanted to make it clear that there is a disagreement here and that bitcoin-qt is potentially on the "less secure" side
482 2013-04-30 04:29:14 <gmaxwell> s/bitcoin-qt/openssl/
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485 2013-04-30 04:29:47 <forrestv> gmaxwell, see pm please
486 2013-04-30 04:29:53 <gmaxwell> And bitcoin is generates new keys with every transaction.
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490 2013-04-30 04:31:31 <mollison> gmaxwell: all right, thanks. maybe i will take it up with openssl.
491 2013-04-30 04:31:56 <mollison> gmaxwell: if you're right, the man 4 random page probably needs to be corrected
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493 2013-04-30 04:32:30 <gmaxwell> gah it doesn't.
494 2013-04-30 04:32:44 <gmaxwell> Nothing it says is wrong. But you are both obsessing and not listening to me.
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496 2013-04-30 04:33:16 <gmaxwell> Under certian threat models, like the attacker being on a common multiuser system with you and being able to monitor 99.9% of the urandom output, then it's potentially interesting.
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498 2013-04-30 04:33:32 <CodeShark> the multiwallet is not dead, Luke-Jr - I use it a lot
499 2013-04-30 04:33:44 <CodeShark> but it isn't the branch that will get merged with master
500 2013-04-30 04:33:48 <Luke-Jr> CodeShark: but I thoguht you were rewriting it?
501 2013-04-30 04:34:12 <CodeShark> I am...but that doesn't mean the multiwallet branch is dead
502 2013-04-30 04:34:35 <CodeShark> the multiwallet branch works - I use that build a lot
503 2013-04-30 04:34:42 <Luke-Jr> >_<
504 2013-04-30 04:34:56 <The_Fly> CodeShark: :)
505 2013-04-30 04:35:11 <The_Fly> and i've brought it up to date with current master, going to push soon
506 2013-04-30 04:35:24 <The_Fly> just putting in 0mq alert messages
507 2013-04-30 04:35:41 <CodeShark> nice, The_Fly...unfortunately, it has so many changes that I'm not sure merging it in all at once is recommended
508 2013-04-30 04:36:38 <CodeShark> if the commits can be structured such that each is easy to test, we could do it like that
509 2013-04-30 04:37:06 <CodeShark> but I'd like to see multiple small commits rather than one big one merged into master
510 2013-04-30 04:37:37 <The_Fly> i did rebase it initally
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512 2013-04-30 04:38:07 <The_Fly> but going through the process was easier with a merge
513 2013-04-30 04:38:38 <The_Fly> id say its worth writing multiwallet test cases and 0mq test cases
514 2013-04-30 04:39:18 <The_Fly> both features are working reliably here, and the 0mq+multiwallet branch
515 2013-04-30 04:39:46 <CodeShark> a big problem is that it touches a large number of source files...so unless the commits can be structured incrementally, it means that unless it's all merged in at once, it will diverge again from master very quickly requiring another labor-intensive merge
516 2013-04-30 04:40:08 <The_Fly> im going to merge master as i go
517 2013-04-30 04:40:15 <The_Fly> ive caught up now
518 2013-04-30 04:40:53 <CodeShark> cool, well, if you're willing to do it like that and we can get the test cases down then that might be an avenue as well. I gave up on trying to merge master as I go :)
519 2013-04-30 04:41:22 <The_Fly> it could get painful when certain pull requests come through
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521 2013-04-30 04:41:33 <CodeShark> yes, exactly - that's the problem
522 2013-04-30 04:41:54 <CodeShark> don't want to discourage you - perhaps you've got some tricks that I don't
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525 2013-04-30 04:42:35 <k9quaint> I think I have decided that I don't like Kano much
526 2013-04-30 04:43:03 <CodeShark> my new strategy was to first merge in the core requirements (i.e. the CWalletManager class) while changing as little behavior as possible
527 2013-04-30 04:43:16 <CodeShark> and touching as few source files as possible
528 2013-04-30 04:43:41 <CodeShark> and then gradually changing the monstrous files like main.cpp
529 2013-04-30 04:43:46 <CodeShark> and finally adding the RPC
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531 2013-04-30 04:44:32 <CodeShark> it's probably the safest, if most boring, way to go
532 2013-04-30 04:44:40 <CodeShark> since none of the useful stuff will be available until the very end
533 2013-04-30 04:44:54 <The_Fly> it's safe, but the state of the test_cases doesnt help
534 2013-04-30 04:45:12 <The_Fly> running them (and adding to them) after each incremental edit would be good
535 2013-04-30 04:45:37 <The_Fly> but that's not always practical
536 2013-04-30 04:46:02 <The_Fly> id argue that, considering im caught up, it's merged and the testcases follow before the next release
537 2013-04-30 04:46:12 <The_Fly> gets both 0mq and multiwallet in
538 2013-04-30 04:46:17 <travolta> I blame satoshi the mythical beast!
539 2013-04-30 04:46:39 <The_Fly> but i'll leave it up to the repo owners to decide
540 2013-04-30 04:46:40 <sivu> in the maze
541 2013-04-30 04:46:58 <travolta> yes, wearing pink lacey panties
542 2013-04-30 04:47:00 <travolta> in the dark!
543 2013-04-30 04:47:03 <CodeShark> if you can 1) help me put together a good test plan and 2) convince the others here to ack it I'm all for it, The_Fly
544 2013-04-30 04:47:24 <travolta> but be aware satoshi is a dude he just likes to cross dress
545 2013-04-30 04:49:43 <The_Fly> CodeShark: nice one, sounds like a plan :)
546 2013-04-30 04:49:52 <travolta> Personally I think satoshi is Max Keiser, who here agrees?
547 2013-04-30 04:50:10 <gmaxwell> This is all really offtopic fot this channel.
548 2013-04-30 04:50:20 <travolta> still a interesting subject..
549 2013-04-30 04:50:27 <The_Fly> CodeShark: not really sure i have any leverage for 2
550 2013-04-30 04:50:51 <The_Fly> but 1, no problem
551 2013-04-30 04:50:58 <The_Fly> can discuss after i push
552 2013-04-30 04:51:09 <The_Fly> which i will do after i sleep, ttyl
553 2013-04-30 04:51:20 <CodeShark> nite
554 2013-04-30 04:51:28 <travolta> Don't forget to code while you sleep!
555 2013-04-30 04:51:35 <travolta> Very important ;)
556 2013-04-30 04:51:39 <The_Fly> always, without fail
557 2013-04-30 04:51:43 <travolta> good!
558 2013-04-30 04:51:50 <The_Fly> ;)
559 2013-04-30 04:52:04 <CodeShark> I've gone through periods when I have these lucid dreams where I have to code something and can't wake up until I solve it
560 2013-04-30 04:52:07 <CodeShark> lol
561 2013-04-30 04:52:18 <travolta> Those aren't dreams they are nightmares :P
562 2013-04-30 04:52:20 <travolta> and they are true
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564 2013-04-30 04:52:42 <travolta> you were just masking part of your subconscious problem solving..
565 2013-04-30 04:53:48 <travolta> Oh and by the way Codeshark you are my hero
566 2013-04-30 04:54:00 <travolta> I don't know what I would do without your pull request
567 2013-04-30 04:54:12 <travolta> with the importaddress branch
568 2013-04-30 04:54:58 <travolta> when I make some cash I will donate to you personally for that
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577 2013-04-30 05:20:24 <mollison> gmaxwell: if the whole /dev/urandom things comes up again, you can just direct people here if you want: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=179464.msg1982415#msg1982415 (feel free to not read that if you're sick of the whole topic though :P )
578 2013-04-30 05:20:45 <gmaxwell> thanks.
579 2013-04-30 05:21:00 <gmaxwell> (I don't mean to be so rude, you wore me out before. My failing, not yours, no doubt)
580 2013-04-30 05:22:47 <mollison> gmaxwell: no worries, you're way better than 99% of people out there in that regard in my experience
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588 2013-04-30 05:34:29 <k9quaint> so, about this /dev/urandom thing...
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592 2013-04-30 05:39:13 <mollison> k9quaint: yeah?
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596 2013-04-30 05:44:40 <k9quaint> mollison: I was just toying with gmaxwell, but caught you in my net :P
597 2013-04-30 05:44:52 <k9quaint> good thing its catch and release
598 2013-04-30 05:45:02 <mollison> k9quaint: oh, lol. he's had plenty of tortue on this topic already :)
599 2013-04-30 05:45:23 <gmaxwell> oh darn, and I already dispatched the ninjas. I wonder if its possible to call them off?
600 2013-04-30 05:45:41 <mollison> i'd better lock my doors
601 2013-04-30 05:45:59 <k9quaint> gmaxwell: I ate the ninjas
602 2013-04-30 05:46:16 <k9quaint> I ordered takeout...I figured they just got my order wrong
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604 2013-04-30 05:47:03 * k9quaint realizes that gmaxwell can now probably afford to actually hire and dispatch ninjas on a whim
605 2013-04-30 05:47:44 <sivu> using discreet ninja service thru tor
606 2013-04-30 05:48:01 <gmaxwell> Who said I could always? :P People are weird, both at assuming bitcoin has made me a ton of money, and also in assuming that ninjas are unreasonably priced. :P
607 2013-04-30 05:48:10 <k9quaint> touche
608 2013-04-30 05:48:15 <gmaxwell> sivu: it's an EC2 ajaxy rpc thing.
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610 2013-04-30 05:48:45 <k9quaint> so, is Kano a bit off his rocker? or am I getting the wrong vibe off him?
611 2013-04-30 05:48:48 <gmaxwell> "Adaptive Assassin 3"
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613 2013-04-30 05:49:16 <gmaxwell> k9quaint: at a minimum he has an odd discourse style, which has given other people that impression.
614 2013-04-30 05:49:39 <k9quaint> is there anything to Avalon being in violation of the GPL?
615 2013-04-30 05:50:10 <gmaxwell> Not as far as I know, the full source for their firmware images appears to be provided.
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617 2013-04-30 05:51:30 <petertodd> gmaxwell: "Adaptive Assassin"? is that the latest ubuntu release?
618 2013-04-30 05:51:31 <Luke-Jr> k9quaint: not anymore
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621 2013-04-30 05:52:52 <Luke-Jr> k9quaint: but Kano is never on his rocker
622 2013-04-30 05:53:01 <k9quaint> bitcoin should harness the output of bitcointalk.org for entropy
623 2013-04-30 05:53:24 <petertodd> k9quaint: wouldn't work, much too repetitive
624 2013-04-30 05:53:55 <k9quaint> petertodd: sure, but it always devolves into chaos
625 2013-04-30 05:55:06 <mollison> a most wretched hive of scum and villany
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627 2013-04-30 05:55:53 <gmaxwell> mollison: you credit it with being more interesting than it is. :P
628 2013-04-30 05:56:07 <mollison> lol true
629 2013-04-30 05:56:09 <gmaxwell> besides, github is the new hot hub of scumm and villany.
630 2013-04-30 05:56:23 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: I only saw a few on github O.o
631 2013-04-30 05:56:31 <Luke-Jr> nothing like bitcointroll
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633 2013-04-30 05:57:06 <petertodd> we could be the first project with the dubious honor of needing an ignore button...
634 2013-04-30 05:57:45 <k9quaint> god, I never thought of trolling the github project
635 2013-04-30 05:57:49 * k9quaint slaps forehead
636 2013-04-30 05:57:51 <gmaxwell> petertodd: nah, apparently not.
637 2013-04-30 05:57:55 <gmaxwell> k9quaint: too late.
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639 2013-04-30 05:58:05 <gmaxwell> petertodd: (github already has blocking and ignore tools)
640 2013-04-30 05:58:51 <petertodd> gmaxwell: good to know
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708 2013-04-30 08:42:57 <swulf--> anyone know if blockchain.info will give me the raw tx info somehow?
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710 2013-04-30 08:45:14 <jgm> swulf--: Not that I'm aware of. Blockexplorer will give you slightly-more-raw tx info but for the bytes themselves you'll need to go to bitcoind
711 2013-04-30 08:45:30 <swulf--> i'd be happy with just getting the scriptsigs
712 2013-04-30 08:45:50 <swulf--> http://abe.bitcoinstats.org:2750/rawtx/ looks like it may
713 2013-04-30 08:46:08 <jgm> swulf--: http://blockexplorer.com/rawtx/dc5ac4b8965cdb48aa96f5eb4cc9fd03a8b83bffe8e6ce4039d6d6cd663eff19 for example
714 2013-04-30 08:46:22 <swulf--> thanks
715 2013-04-30 08:46:28 <swulf--> blockexplorer might be better then
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719 2013-04-30 08:47:48 <swulf--> er, blockexplorer is laggy
720 2013-04-30 08:47:52 <swulf--> http://blockexplorer.com/rawtx/0481c8457c3e54762048f3157b3adb4184adf115809d3f0d76e6764f0e884769 definitely exists
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724 2013-04-30 08:49:16 <jgm> slight difference between them from the looks of it. appears that blockexplorer gives you the scriptsig values, your link gives the actual script
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726 2013-04-30 08:49:51 <jgm> which means that blockexplorer might not give you what you are expecting if you have non-standard scripts
727 2013-04-30 08:50:19 <swulf--> hmm
728 2013-04-30 08:50:22 <swulf--> so abe would be better
729 2013-04-30 08:50:27 <swulf--> but
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731 2013-04-30 08:50:35 <swulf--> it's laggy, just like blockexplorer
732 2013-04-30 08:51:44 <jgm> You'd have to define "laggy". If you watch blockexplorer's homepage it seems to show new blocks within a minute or so of them being broadcast
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734 2013-04-30 08:52:01 <swulf--> it doesn't seem to show transactions until they're been confirmed at least once?
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736 2013-04-30 08:53:39 <jgm> Well until it's in a solved block it won't show up, certainly
737 2013-04-30 08:54:01 <swulf--> blockchain.info will show it.. I suppose technically any btc client may never see it until it's in a block
738 2013-04-30 08:54:40 <jgm> Yeah perhaps you're after something a bit different. By definition, blockexplorer parses blocks so you won't see it until it's in the block
739 2013-04-30 08:55:25 <jgm> If you want to see unconfirmed transactions then that info will be out there (don't know of a site which has that info in raw form) but they are, of course, unconfirmed so use them at your own risk
740 2013-04-30 08:56:08 <swulf--> of course
741 2013-04-30 08:56:10 <jgm> (and actually you should wait until a block has a few more on top of it to have a high level of confidence that the transaction is going to stick around, but that's up to you)
742 2013-04-30 08:56:23 <swulf--> blockchain.info will show them, but unfortunately doesn't include scriptsig in the json output
743 2013-04-30 08:58:13 <jgm> Hmm... their website shows it so perhaps a flag on the request might give it to you? Or just mail their support and see if they can help
744 2013-04-30 08:58:37 <swulf--> I'll e-mail support. The html version has it, yeah.. the same flag (show_adv) doesn't seem to affect the json output
745 2013-04-30 08:59:34 <jgm> Good luck!
746 2013-04-30 08:59:42 <swulf--> thanks:)
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781 2013-04-30 09:54:24 <Diablo-D3> http://nsnbc.me/2013/04/18/federal-reserve-refuses-to-submit-to-an-audit-of-germanys-gold-held-in-u-s-vaults-2/
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799 2013-04-30 10:09:37 <intrd> anyone can help-me with this problem at Eloipool http://pastebin.com/7wPcsQmA
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804 2013-04-30 10:29:07 <pjorrit> bye bye gold...
805 2013-04-30 10:30:35 <t7> Diablo-D3, oh lordy :)
806 2013-04-30 10:32:00 <_dr> you want to inspect something that belongs to you and you pay millions per year for stroage for, no way!
807 2013-04-30 10:32:29 <_dr> why? well, because... terrorists
808 2013-04-30 10:32:52 <_dr> and freedom! yeah, right, we forgot about all the freedom!
809 2013-04-30 10:34:08 <t7> why is german gold in the US in the first place?
810 2013-04-30 10:35:09 <nsh> what are you all talking about?
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843 2013-04-30 11:01:34 <_dr> t7: not only german gold. all countries have their gold distributed to hubs (fed, BoE, ...) so they can sell it off quickly in case of emergency
844 2013-04-30 11:01:50 <t7> oh i c
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846 2013-04-30 11:04:04 <pjorrit> but is the fed really afraid germany is gonna come in and steal all the gold? ;D
847 2013-04-30 11:04:58 <wumpus> their own gold, even :D
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867 2013-04-30 11:26:22 <xeroc> is there a standalone ECDSA implementation in C anywhere?
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875 2013-04-30 11:40:57 <wumpus> xeroc: there is openecc, but I don't know of any that supports secp256k1
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893 2013-04-30 11:55:57 <sacrelege> hi all
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895 2013-04-30 11:57:24 <sacrelege> question about using 'bitcoind'; whats the command to see if the server is up-to-date/synced everything?
896 2013-04-30 11:58:57 <sacrelege> compare 'getinfo' -> blocks with getblockcount?
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899 2013-04-30 12:02:41 <xeroc> wumpus: thanks for the link .. for signing of transactions i need secp256k1?
900 2013-04-30 12:03:50 <t7> check getblockcount = your-fav-block-chain-explorer-website
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902 2013-04-30 12:08:18 <_dr> xeroc: there's sipa's implementation github.com/sipa/secp256k1
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905 2013-04-30 12:11:17 <sacrelege> erm http://blockexplorer.com/q/getblockcount -> 233899 my bitcoind prints: 224185 ?
906 2013-04-30 12:12:01 <sacrelege> but I guess, getblockcount is the total amount of blocks and getinfo is sometimes behind...
907 2013-04-30 12:12:29 <PRab> I have 233899 via the gui
908 2013-04-30 12:12:45 <PRab> (Bitcoin=QT)
909 2013-04-30 12:13:18 <sacrelege> hmm true, mine also shows 233899 qt...
910 2013-04-30 12:13:36 <sacrelege> so what the hell is happening on my bitcoind?
911 2013-04-30 12:14:39 <sacrelege> can anybody else provide "getblockcount" or "getinfo" -> blocks from bitcoind?
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914 2013-04-30 12:15:49 <fronti> -bitcoind "getblockcount"
915 2013-04-30 12:15:49 <fronti> 233899
916 2013-04-30 12:15:49 <fronti> -bitcoind "getinfo" | grep -i block "blocks" : 233899,
917 2013-04-30 12:15:49 <fronti> -
918 2013-04-30 12:16:20 <sacrelege> oh boy, thx..
919 2013-04-30 12:16:26 <jonass> bitcoin-qt build: how can i enable testnet with Qt-Creator so i can debug on testnet?
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926 2013-04-30 12:23:16 <wumpus> _dr: didn't know sipa's implementation was c and not c++
927 2013-04-30 12:23:17 <xeroc> _dr: thanks a lot
928 2013-04-30 12:25:21 <jonass> how can i get some coins on testnet for debuging some issues? mine?
929 2013-04-30 12:26:24 <xeroc> there is a faucet
930 2013-04-30 12:26:43 <xeroc> http://tpfaucet.appspot.com/
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932 2013-04-30 12:27:09 <wumpus> I don't have any anymore, otherwise I'd send some
933 2013-04-30 12:27:21 <Diablo-D3> man
934 2013-04-30 12:27:31 * Diablo-D3 looks at this monster he has created
935 2013-04-30 12:27:49 <Diablo-D3> 300gbit/sec of infiniband bandwidth
936 2013-04-30 12:28:03 <jonass> xeroc thanks, let me try
937 2013-04-30 12:29:39 <jonass> xeroc, huh,? gives API error 5 (urlfetch: DEADLINE_EXCEEDED) after sending a btc request
938 2013-04-30 12:30:51 <jonass> okay. works. thanks
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941 2013-04-30 12:33:07 <xeroc> your welcome
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960 2013-04-30 13:19:42 <[269]gbg> Why would getbalance ignore a coinbase transaction?
961 2013-04-30 13:19:51 t7` has joined
962 2013-04-30 13:20:16 <[269]gbg> gbg@ubuntu:~$ bitcoind listaccounts
963 2013-04-30 13:20:17 <[269]gbg> {
964 2013-04-30 13:20:17 <[269]gbg> "" : -20.41900000,
965 2013-04-30 13:20:17 <[269]gbg> "Venture" : 21.18487985
966 2013-04-30 13:20:17 <[269]gbg> }
967 2013-04-30 13:20:19 <[269]gbg> gbg@ubuntu:~$ bitcoind listreceivedbyaccount
968 2013-04-30 13:20:21 <[269]gbg> [
969 2013-04-30 13:20:24 <[269]gbg> {
970 2013-04-30 13:20:26 <[269]gbg> "account" : "Venture",
971 2013-04-30 13:20:29 <[269]gbg> "amount" : 20.97972623,
972 2013-04-30 13:20:31 <[269]gbg> "confirmations" : 56
973 2013-04-30 13:20:34 <[269]gbg> }
974 2013-04-30 13:20:36 <[269]gbg> ]
975 2013-04-30 13:20:39 <[269]gbg> I'm missing ~.2
976 2013-04-30 13:21:48 <[269]gbg> why the difference between 20.97 and 21.18?
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979 2013-04-30 13:22:38 <[269]gbg> unless coinbase transactions require more confirmations than standard transactions?
980 2013-04-30 13:22:44 <_dr> yes, they do
981 2013-04-30 13:23:22 <[269]gbg> how many until bitcoind treats coinbase transactions as part of my balance?
982 2013-04-30 13:23:33 <_dr> i'm not certain, but i keep thinking of 120...
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984 2013-04-30 13:23:42 <_dr> which seems like a lot though
985 2013-04-30 13:24:26 <[269]gbg> This difference could be made clearer,
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990 2013-04-30 13:28:32 <swulf--1> geez, block 233904 had 8.6btc in fees...
991 2013-04-30 13:29:51 <sacrelege> dat lucky miners :D
992 2013-04-30 13:30:04 <The_Fly> anyone have any idea how often alerts go out over the bitcoin network?
993 2013-04-30 13:30:26 <The_Fly> live or testnet, wanting to test something i wrote
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996 2013-04-30 13:33:25 <The_Fly> there's a comment saying that they're reserved for notifying old versions
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998 2013-04-30 13:33:32 <The_Fly> do they get used for anything else?
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1000 2013-04-30 13:36:53 <sipa> wumpus: it started as being C++, but i changed it to C for better portability
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1004 2013-04-30 13:41:40 <wumpus> ok, makes sense
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1006 2013-04-30 13:52:23 <_dr> and since it's supposed to be fast you should only use the c subset of c++ anyways :)
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1008 2013-04-30 13:54:39 <sipa> i originally planned to have it better modularized, so field elements, scalars, group elements, ... would all be classes
1009 2013-04-30 13:55:04 <sipa> but it ended up not using much OO anyway
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1014 2013-04-30 13:59:58 <wumpus> _dr: why would the c subset of c++ be faster, that makes no sense
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1016 2013-04-30 14:01:50 <wumpus> by using templates you can do optimizations that would need a custom code generator for c, for example
1017 2013-04-30 14:02:27 <_dr> i mean stuff like the stl and object orientation
1018 2013-04-30 14:02:49 <syskk> Im trying to use gitian builder and im stuck here:
1019 2013-04-30 14:02:52 <syskk> @ubuntuvm:~/dev/gitian-builder$ bin/make-base-vm --arch i386 --lxc
1020 2013-04-30 14:02:53 <syskk> 2013-04-30 21:35:29,234 INFO : Calling hook: preflight_check
1021 2013-04-30 14:02:54 <syskk> 2013-04-30 21:35:29,238 INFO : Calling hook: set_defaults
1022 2013-04-30 14:02:54 <syskk> 2013-04-30 21:35:29,239 INFO : Calling hook: bootstrap
1023 2013-04-30 14:02:59 <sipa> templates and RAII are useful and do not impact performace
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1025 2013-04-30 14:03:08 <syskk> and then there's nothing happening
1026 2013-04-30 14:03:09 <sipa> but i barely used them :)
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1028 2013-04-30 14:03:34 <sipa> s/RAII/destructors in general/
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1030 2013-04-30 14:05:28 <wumpus> vtables / structs with pointers are used all the time in modern C code as well, it completely depends on what you want, object orientation in C++ doesn't make anything slower if you don't use virtual methods
1031 2013-04-30 14:06:05 <sipa> indeed
1032 2013-04-30 14:06:09 <syskk> is it normal for this step to take very long? 2013-04-30 21:35:29,239 INFO : Calling hook: bootstrap
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1035 2013-04-30 14:06:23 <sipa> syskk: define very long
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1037 2013-04-30 14:06:32 <syskk> sipa: about 10 mins now
1038 2013-04-30 14:06:38 <sipa> oh, wait longer for sure
1039 2013-04-30 14:06:45 <sipa> it needs to download and install a full ubuntu
1040 2013-04-30 14:06:48 <syskk> sipa: in a virtualbox ubuntu (host is macbook air)
1041 2013-04-30 14:06:54 <syskk> ok thanks got it
1042 2013-04-30 14:07:04 <sipa> the extra layer of virtualization probably slows things down further
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1044 2013-04-30 14:07:37 <wumpus> and stl is only slow if improperly used, just like the C standard library...
1045 2013-04-30 14:08:06 <sipa> wumpus: the problem was that at some point, you want to do things like (a + 3 * c) in code, without constructing temporary objects and copying them around (which the compiler may or may not optimize away)
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1047 2013-04-30 14:08:32 <sipa> wumpus: there are ways around that, by having lightweight expression tree objects to describe computations (and are trivially optimized away)
1048 2013-04-30 14:09:02 <sipa> but in the end, i wanted the code to clearly demonstrate the exact computation rather than the easiest notation anyway
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1050 2013-04-30 14:09:44 <sipa> so if all you can do is a single + or * per statement, you don't have much advantage over calling bla_mult(...) anyway
1051 2013-04-30 14:10:05 <wumpus> sipa: right, before you know it you end up with boost-level complex template code, and the advantage in code understanding goes away
1052 2013-04-30 14:10:35 <wumpus> right
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1054 2013-04-30 14:11:46 <wumpus> I think C is fine for a well-defined library with a single purpose
1055 2013-04-30 14:11:52 <wumpus> there is no real reason to parametrize here
1056 2013-04-30 14:11:52 <sipa> for example, in this function: https://github.com/sipa/secp256k1/blob/master/src/impl/group.h#L133
1057 2013-04-30 14:12:15 <sipa> the code itself isn't that readable, but the expressions calculated are shown in comments
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1062 2013-04-30 14:17:16 <syskk> sipa: i thought lxc didnt virtualize a full os
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1067 2013-04-30 14:18:18 <syskk> sipa: or is it onlly downloading packages?
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1069 2013-04-30 14:19:45 <sipa> syskk: all except the kernel
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1071 2013-04-30 14:19:55 <sipa> downloading packages and installing them
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1073 2013-04-30 14:21:06 <syskk> sipa: ok
1074 2013-04-30 14:21:25 <syskk> sipa: anyway i can track progress? log file?
1075 2013-04-30 14:21:49 <sipa> gitian-builder/var/ may have a log file
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1078 2013-04-30 14:22:38 <syskk> nothing for now but thanks
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1080 2013-04-30 14:22:59 <sipa> during actual build there may be log files
1081 2013-04-30 14:23:14 <sipa> s/may be/are/
1082 2013-04-30 14:23:38 <syskk> right
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1084 2013-04-30 14:25:16 <syskk> there should be an IRC extension to show people's bitcoin addresses
1085 2013-04-30 14:26:01 <Belxjander> syskk: you mean per-client bitcoin support scripting ?
1086 2013-04-30 14:26:06 <Belxjander> syskk: pick a language ?
1087 2013-04-30 14:26:57 <syskk> no more like modifying the IRC spec to allow users to add a bitcoin address associated to their username
1088 2013-04-30 14:27:02 <syskk> guess that could be done with bots
1089 2013-04-30 14:27:16 <syskk> might work on that
1090 2013-04-30 14:28:08 <Belxjander> you mean a "/CTCP <keyword>" extension?
1091 2013-04-30 14:28:13 <syskk> you could register your address with the bot and people could query the bot to get a user's bitcoin address
1092 2013-04-30 14:28:15 <Belxjander> let users exchange BitCoin addresses ?
1093 2013-04-30 14:28:31 <syskk> yeah something like that
1094 2013-04-30 14:28:44 <Belxjander> its just a <name:address> tupling database...
1095 2013-04-30 14:28:52 <syskk> I dont know much about IRC protocol but it'd be doable with a bot
1096 2013-04-30 14:28:56 <Belxjander> AddressBook field?
1097 2013-04-30 14:29:02 <syskk> ahh so its already theoretically possible
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1099 2013-04-30 14:29:58 <Belxjander> possible? hell... it can be scripted into any existing IRC client pretty easily
1100 2013-04-30 14:29:59 <cut> syskk: put it in real_name
1101 2013-04-30 14:30:06 <Belxjander> depends entirely on how fancy you want to make it
1102 2013-04-30 14:30:19 <syskk> right
1103 2013-04-30 14:30:44 <sipa> what is the point? being able to prove to everyone how much donations you got?
1104 2013-04-30 14:30:48 <sipa> random IRC people will not be sending you money
1105 2013-04-30 14:30:58 <syskk> didnt think about that
1106 2013-04-30 14:30:59 <sipa> and if they do, they can just as well ask for a fresh address
1107 2013-04-30 14:31:29 <syskk> well I'd be tempted to tip you since you've been helpful sipa
1108 2013-04-30 14:31:30 <syskk> :)
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1110 2013-04-30 14:32:27 <syskk> would be cool to have a coinbase for IRC
1111 2013-04-30 14:32:36 <syskk> uhh
1112 2013-04-30 14:32:50 <SomeoneWeird> lulwut
1113 2013-04-30 14:33:16 <sipa> ...?
1114 2013-04-30 14:33:19 <syskk> i mean a hosted wallet but instead of being accessible through a web interface
1115 2013-04-30 14:33:35 <sipa> why do you call that "a coinbase" ?
1116 2013-04-30 14:33:36 <syskk> you would do like !btcbot send 0.1 BTC to sipa
1117 2013-04-30 14:33:47 <syskk> i was just referring to that YC startup
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1119 2013-04-30 14:33:51 <sipa> ah right
1120 2013-04-30 14:33:55 <alaricsp> Authentication might be a challenge
1121 2013-04-30 14:34:06 <SomeoneWeird> why
1122 2013-04-30 14:34:10 * sipa hates the fact that all bitcoin startups use terminology that has a meaning in the protocol
1123 2013-04-30 14:34:12 <SomeoneWeird> sign with btc addy
1124 2013-04-30 14:34:13 <syskk> https://coinbase.com/
1125 2013-04-30 14:34:26 <SomeoneWeird> oooooh
1126 2013-04-30 14:34:27 <SomeoneWeird> hahahah
1127 2013-04-30 14:34:29 <SomeoneWeird> yeah, sipa
1128 2013-04-30 14:34:32 <SomeoneWeird> i was like wut
1129 2013-04-30 14:34:35 <sipa> everyone confuses "blockchain.info" with "the blockchain" for example
1130 2013-04-30 14:34:40 <sipa> this is similar
1131 2013-04-30 14:34:44 <alaricsp> SomeoneWeird: In which case, you'll need software locally to sign the requests to paste into IRC... Why not just run a wallet?
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1133 2013-04-30 14:34:58 <TD> syskk: i'd recommend just using a local desktop gui wallet.
1134 2013-04-30 14:35:07 <syskk> yea.. not sure how to handle auth securely on ircâ¦
1135 2013-04-30 14:35:18 <syskk> I know TD
1136 2013-04-30 14:35:27 <TD> coinbase is basically a bank
1137 2013-04-30 14:35:30 <syskk> you'd probably only want to keep a small balance in your hosted wallet
1138 2013-04-30 14:35:31 <TD> except not a bank. if you see what i mean.
1139 2013-04-30 14:35:41 <syskk> I know
1140 2013-04-30 14:35:44 * TD doesn't use any hosted wallets and so far never lost any coins in scams or collapses
1141 2013-04-30 14:36:12 <sipa> i may have lost a few to mywallet, but i think my account was empty at the time
1142 2013-04-30 14:36:25 <TD> mybitcoin, you mean ?
1143 2013-04-30 14:36:30 <syskk> just thought it would be cool to be able to tip people by doing a simple !tip username 0.1
1144 2013-04-30 14:36:38 <TD> sure
1145 2013-04-30 14:36:52 <sipa> TD: right!
1146 2013-04-30 14:36:55 <sipa> too long ago
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1148 2013-04-30 14:37:10 <TD> syskk: yeah integrated tipping is cool. it's just that IRC is pretty insecure.
1149 2013-04-30 14:37:19 <syskk> TD: right
1150 2013-04-30 14:37:21 <TD> maybe if you're an IRC ninja and can integrate with nickserv or something, it's possible
1151 2013-04-30 14:37:59 <syskk> there's also the problem of MITM attacks
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1153 2013-04-30 14:38:10 <syskk> afaik, no way to force a user to use SSL
1154 2013-04-30 14:38:11 <TD> for small tips you don't have to be very secure
1155 2013-04-30 14:38:20 <TD> but yes
1156 2013-04-30 14:38:30 <TD> i mean you could just have an address in your IRC name or something. no big deal.
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1158 2013-04-30 14:38:37 <sipa> TD: what do you call small? i noticed that my forum donation address regularly gets tips of 1 uBTC...
1159 2013-04-30 14:38:39 <TD> if you tip a MITM because he's so helpful, well, who cares. go go man in the middle?
1160 2013-04-30 14:38:55 <TD> sipa: lol, i've seen that too. or 1 satoshi. but then the other day i got a 1btc tip! very generous
1161 2013-04-30 14:38:59 <syskk> lol
1162 2013-04-30 14:39:10 <sipa> TD: yes, some a remarkable :)
1163 2013-04-30 14:39:19 <syskk> guess the guy didnt check the exchange rate since last year
1164 2013-04-30 14:39:20 <syskk> haha
1165 2013-04-30 14:39:30 <TD> or he/she just really liked a post :)
1166 2013-04-30 14:39:42 * TD bbiab
1167 2013-04-30 14:43:37 <Belxjander> well I have had the issue where I was transferring a DCC
1168 2013-04-30 14:43:48 <Belxjander> I received the DCC however...
1169 2013-04-30 14:44:03 <Belxjander> the catch was the entire DCC file transfer occured *after* the sender had already logged off
1170 2013-04-30 14:44:49 <Belxjander> turned out the server in question always MITM trapped DCC SEND/MOVE requests and cached files being transferred
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1176 2013-04-30 14:47:30 <syskk> once I made the vm (sudo bin/make-base-vm --lxc --arch i386) i wont have to run this command again when i want to build
1177 2013-04-30 14:47:33 <syskk> right :s ?
1178 2013-04-30 14:47:41 <sipa> no, you only need to do that once
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1205 2013-04-30 15:09:51 <slavik0329> Anyone know of any bitcoinjs exit nodes that are up n working?
1206 2013-04-30 15:10:06 <slavik0329> exit.trucoin.com doesnt seem to be working
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1211 2013-04-30 15:12:59 <SomeoneWeird> slavik0329, bitcoinjs-server?
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1215 2013-04-30 15:21:47 <avendael> hello guys. I configured bitcoind to send a payment notification by putting "walletnotify=curl http://url/%s/" in bitcoin.conf, but it seems that the url was not called after I sent btc to an address where bitcoind is running
1216 2013-04-30 15:22:18 <avendael> i'm not sure if i should enclose in double quotes the argument to walletnotify in the bitcoin.conf
1217 2013-04-30 15:22:32 <avendael> i also don't know whether walletnotify triggered at all
1218 2013-04-30 15:23:18 <avendael> i checked for transactions via rpc and the btc was received, with more than 10 confirmations atm
1219 2013-04-30 15:23:24 <avendael> did I do something wrong?
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1221 2013-04-30 15:25:05 <alaricsp> avendael: I dunno, but whenever you have problems with shell commands being run like that, try a few simple things to narrow it down first
1222 2013-04-30 15:25:38 <alaricsp> Try "walletnotify=touch /tmp/foo-happened" for a start and see if /tmp/foo-happened appears :-)
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1225 2013-04-30 15:27:41 <avendael> alaricsp: thanks, i'll try that. what the url basically does is to use rpc to get the transaction info, and then record some of the data in a db. but yeah, should've tried something simpler first :)
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1227 2013-04-30 15:32:37 <syskk> nooooooooooooooo
1228 2013-04-30 15:32:55 <syskk> :( :( :(
1229 2013-04-30 15:33:26 <darkskiez> yes?
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1231 2013-04-30 15:34:08 <Cylta> Hello. I have a transaction, 4 conformations already, but I do not see it in my wallet, v0.8.1-beta, last block: 233893
1232 2013-04-30 15:35:15 <syskk> http://pastebin.ca/2370117
1233 2013-04-30 15:35:30 <syskk> does anyone know what went wrong? and do i have to start the process all over again?
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1235 2013-04-30 15:36:02 <darkskiez> your apt-cacher-ng instance doesnt seem to be running
1236 2013-04-30 15:36:23 <rdponticelli> ;;blocks
1237 2013-04-30 15:36:25 <gribble> 233922
1238 2013-04-30 15:36:25 <darkskiez> wonder why its trying to use that and not go direct
1239 2013-04-30 15:36:31 <syskk> i think i've followed all instructions
1240 2013-04-30 15:36:39 <rdponticelli> Cylta: Your client is behind
1241 2013-04-30 15:36:54 <Cylta> rdponticelli: what is the latest block?
1242 2013-04-30 15:37:01 <Cylta> ahh, i see
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1244 2013-04-30 15:37:22 <Cylta> but that's strange, it shows that last block was updated 23 sec ago
1245 2013-04-30 15:37:40 <syskk> darkskiez: how to start it?
1246 2013-04-30 15:37:56 <darkskiez> Cylta: if you help/debug window you can see the datestamp of the last block you have..
1247 2013-04-30 15:38:08 <syskk> im following the tutorial here: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/tree/master/contrib/gitian-descriptors
1248 2013-04-30 15:38:13 <rdponticelli> Cylta: The tooltip on qt is known to stall
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1250 2013-04-30 15:38:33 <tgs3> hi, what's the newest, official stable bitcoind vesrion?
1251 2013-04-30 15:38:40 <Cylta> rdponticelli: darkskiez: yeah, in console it shows -4h...
1252 2013-04-30 15:38:48 <tgs3> btw, new websiste is kinda confusing
1253 2013-04-30 15:39:03 <darkskiez> syskk, have you done the prerequisites/sanity checks ?
1254 2013-04-30 15:39:03 <syskk> 0.8.1 according to topic tgs3
1255 2013-04-30 15:39:32 <syskk> darkskiez: yes.. well i did https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/tree/master/contrib/gitian-descriptors
1256 2013-04-30 15:39:55 <syskk> darkskiez: I mean sudo apt-get install debootstrap lxc ruby apache2 git apt-cacher-ng python-vm-builder
1257 2013-04-30 15:39:55 <Cylta> how to ask satoshi client to recheck the last block?
1258 2013-04-30 15:40:09 <syskk> darkskiez: my ubuntu is running inside a VM
1259 2013-04-30 15:40:35 <darkskiez> syskk and output from sanity check?
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1261 2013-04-30 15:41:06 <darkskiez> running vms from inside vms isnt already a recipe for success
1262 2013-04-30 15:41:31 <syskk> darkskiez: * apt-cacher-ng is running
1263 2013-04-30 15:41:41 <syskk> darkskiez: no choice really :(
1264 2013-04-30 15:42:10 <syskk> I dont have a spare computer here
1265 2013-04-30 15:42:19 <SirDefaced> man, windows really makes it hard to compile the QT sheesh
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1269 2013-04-30 15:45:16 <syskk> I think its a problem with my ubuntu mirrors
1270 2013-04-30 15:45:31 <syskk> seems chinese mirrors are down⦠i remember having trouble a few hours ago
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1272 2013-04-30 15:48:44 <syskk> maybe i should find a way to force apt-get to use different repositories
1273 2013-04-30 15:48:56 <Cylta> i had to reload my wallet... it solved problem with no-updating-the-blockchain
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1275 2013-04-30 15:54:15 <rdponticelli> Cylta: The download code sometimes get confused. It would have resumed on the next block.
1276 2013-04-30 15:55:43 <Cylta> rdponticelli: it just did not want to download next block by some reason AND it shows that last block was downloaded several seconds ago, and that timer stucks at that moment.
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1292 2013-04-30 16:15:03 <avendael> hello guys. how many confirmations does it take for walletnotify to trigger?
1293 2013-04-30 16:15:19 <Cylta> ~second
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1295 2013-04-30 16:15:31 <Cylta> if it's up to date
1296 2013-04-30 16:16:32 <avendael> nice, thanks!
1297 2013-04-30 16:16:51 <rdponticelli> avendael: It should trigger on reception and on first confirm
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1299 2013-04-30 16:17:20 <rdponticelli> s/reception/entering the memory pool/
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1302 2013-04-30 16:18:02 <avendael> rdponticelli: it seems that mine doesn't trigger. I have this on my bitcoin.conf
1303 2013-04-30 16:18:10 <avendael> walletnotify=touch /tmp/txid-%s
1304 2013-04-30 16:18:29 <avendael> my transaction is already at the first confirmation, and no file is created yet :(
1305 2013-04-30 16:18:46 <rdponticelli> avendael: Try to place quotes around the command
1306 2013-04-30 16:19:04 <avendael> single quotes or double quotes?
1307 2013-04-30 16:19:15 <rdponticelli> Single should work
1308 2013-04-30 16:19:27 <avendael> thanks! I'll try that
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1316 2013-04-30 16:26:49 <sipa> avendael: it should trigger on a) the first time it is seen and b) when it gets its first confirmation
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1323 2013-04-30 16:29:17 <SomeoneWeird> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtXpOD6jFls&feature=player_embedded
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1347 2013-04-30 16:42:55 <avendael> hi guys. i still cant receive wallet notifications :(
1348 2013-04-30 16:43:07 <avendael> here's what I have for walletnotify in bitcoin.conf
1349 2013-04-30 16:43:08 <avendael> walletnotify='touch /tmp/txid-%s'
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1352 2013-04-30 16:43:36 <avendael> the file was not created after receipt and 3 confirmations
1353 2013-04-30 16:43:44 <avendael> did I miss something?
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1368 2013-04-30 16:51:49 <TD> interesting
1369 2013-04-30 16:51:58 <TD> my node is sending ~25KB/sec pretty much all the time
1370 2013-04-30 16:52:19 <TD> approx 10x outbound:inbound blowup
1371 2013-04-30 16:52:27 <TD> i guess for some reason my node usually hears about transactions first
1372 2013-04-30 16:52:37 <TD> unless it's mostly addr relaying
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1375 2013-04-30 16:56:39 <gmaxwell> TD: ping responses. :P
1376 2013-04-30 16:56:59 <gmaxwell> (I'm kidding)
1377 2013-04-30 16:57:23 <TD> heheh. actually i thought of that already but the recvbytes/sentbytes show bitcoinj being quite well behaved these days
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1380 2013-04-30 16:58:18 <TD> most of them actually sit at around 500-1000 bytes which is suspiciously low
1381 2013-04-30 16:58:29 <sipa> TD: getpeerinfo now shows bytes sent/received per node
1382 2013-04-30 16:58:35 <TD> yep, i saw. very useful.
1383 2013-04-30 16:58:43 <TD> i suspect that's how much a null connection that just gets from just setting a bloom filter and then resting.
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1388 2013-04-30 16:59:20 <TD> i suppose if i cared enough i'd pcap it and then look at what most of the traffic is
1389 2013-04-30 16:59:34 <TD> a project for another day
1390 2013-04-30 16:59:49 <TD> i see a ton of non-canonical sigs
1391 2013-04-30 16:59:58 <TD> i hope whoever is generating them finds out in time
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1393 2013-04-30 17:00:51 <sipa> i see one from time to time
1394 2013-04-30 17:00:58 <sipa> but not really frequently
1395 2013-04-30 17:02:35 <TD> i don't have stats, but any time i switch to the terminal that's tailing the log i seem to see one
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1398 2013-04-30 17:03:38 <TD> i'm pretty sure bitcoinjs is doing at least some of the negative values
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1400 2013-04-30 17:03:49 <sipa> it used to
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1404 2013-04-30 17:04:45 <TD> maybe b.i never updated.
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1406 2013-04-30 17:04:49 <TD> because i can't see how the code in github could
1407 2013-04-30 17:05:08 <sipa> link?
1408 2013-04-30 17:05:37 <sipa> i'm sure piuk is aware of it, he was part of the mail thread half a year ago where i discussed it with justmoon
1409 2013-04-30 17:05:53 <TD> https://github.com/blockchain/My-Wallet/commit/07d12433495286a969dae92fac3fc7f0fe92efc3
1410 2013-04-30 17:05:54 <TD> !!
1411 2013-04-30 17:05:54 <gribble> Error: "!" is not a valid command.
1412 2013-04-30 17:06:26 <sipa> eh
1413 2013-04-30 17:06:27 <TD> ok, well, if he's aware of it, maybe no big deal.
1414 2013-04-30 17:06:37 <TD> sorry that's not related to non-canonical sigs
1415 2013-04-30 17:06:48 <TD> just a bit alarming to see that commit
1416 2013-04-30 17:06:49 <TD> anyway
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1420 2013-04-30 17:08:32 <gmaxwell> TD: notice the use of the mouse position in rng seeding? :(
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1423 2013-04-30 17:08:55 <TD> there are other commits where browsers that support html crypto extensions are used
1424 2013-04-30 17:09:03 <TD> so i don't know how many browsers would actually rely on mouse position
1425 2013-04-30 17:09:07 <TD> but yeah .... js crypto.
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1427 2013-04-30 17:09:11 <gmaxwell> TD: I'm aware...
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1430 2013-04-30 17:09:45 <gmaxwell> Been trying to convince the authors of the crypto library that most of these things are using that they should have a strong mode that refuses to work if good system RNGs are not available.
1431 2013-04-30 17:10:01 <gmaxwell> So far I've not gotten past "they shouldn't be using our code for that!"
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1445 2013-04-30 17:18:06 <iwilcox> Sorry for the dupe sipa. I did search for the message but your existing bug didn't come up.
1446 2013-04-30 17:18:18 <sipa> no problem
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1459 2013-04-30 17:24:22 <avendael> hello guys. What version of bitcoind has walletnotify?
1460 2013-04-30 17:24:27 <sipa> 0.8.2
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1462 2013-04-30 17:24:49 <sipa> (or git head, as 0.8.2 isn't released yet)
1463 2013-04-30 17:25:44 <avendael> thanks! so that's why walletnotify is not working, I was using the wrong version lol
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1466 2013-04-30 17:26:19 <sipa> we should really have something to warn on unknown options
1467 2013-04-30 17:26:39 <wumpus> yeah
1468 2013-04-30 17:26:46 <rdponticelli> sipa: +1
1469 2013-04-30 17:26:57 <avendael> that would be very helpful :)
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1472 2013-04-30 17:27:20 <sipa> i've tried writing a nice C++'y replacement, but perhaps we should check whether boost has something that suffices first
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1474 2013-04-30 17:28:08 <TD> sipa: google flags library? it's open source
1475 2013-04-30 17:28:15 <wumpus> boost program options
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1477 2013-04-30 17:28:45 <sipa> TD[gone]: ah, i didn't know it was open source :)
1478 2013-04-30 17:28:58 <TD[gone]> https://code.google.com/p/gflags/
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1480 2013-04-30 17:30:01 <sipa> meh, looks way too large for what we need, so it may not be worth the dependency hassle
1481 2013-04-30 17:30:46 <wumpus> http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_53_0/doc/html/program_options.html
1482 2013-04-30 17:31:10 <wumpus> looks pretty simple, may be enough for us
1483 2013-04-30 17:31:17 <The_Fly> +1 on unknown option warning
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1487 2013-04-30 17:32:13 <sipa> ideally, i'd like something like: CIntOption nMaxConnections("optionname", default, "description"); to be declarable at the global level
1488 2013-04-30 17:32:19 <avendael> when is the target release date for 0.8.2?
1489 2013-04-30 17:32:24 <sipa> and then use nMaxConnections as an int
1490 2013-04-30 17:32:32 <sipa> and have a nMaxConnections.IsSet() or so
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1492 2013-04-30 17:32:59 <sipa> avendael: soonish
1493 2013-04-30 17:33:07 <sipa> avendael: but when it's ready
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1497 2013-04-30 17:34:43 <avendael> sipa: thanks! :)
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1526 2013-04-30 17:59:17 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: can you make pulltester run again on 2595, the results look insane.
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1558 2013-04-30 18:20:40 <swulf--1> I must be the only person using blockchain.info/unspent .. or it's not an issue that tx_hash has the bytes backwards.. see http://blockchain.info/unspent?active=16P73rXE8WJTVAPoPJv5ZQYev7LUs2JSn5 for example..
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1572 2013-04-30 18:37:50 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: yea, sorry, really not sure what happened there, the creation script is somehow messed up
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1574 2013-04-30 18:38:29 <sipa> i pushed to the branch again, so it should retest
1575 2013-04-30 18:38:46 <BlueMatt> oh, well I just reset it too
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1578 2013-04-30 18:40:18 <buZz> is there a way to pick which inputs to use for a transaction?
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1580 2013-04-30 18:40:37 <sipa> you choose from those available
1581 2013-04-30 18:40:43 <buZz> where
1582 2013-04-30 18:40:58 <buZz> is there a way to NOT let the client pick which inputs to use for a transaction?
1583 2013-04-30 18:41:08 <sipa> yes, use the raw transaction API
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1585 2013-04-30 18:41:21 <buZz> meh, so not with the normal client
1586 2013-04-30 18:41:32 <buZz> oh api ..
1587 2013-04-30 18:41:33 <buZz> hmm
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1589 2013-04-30 18:41:34 <sipa> you mean with the GUI?
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1591 2013-04-30 18:41:47 <sipa> there's a pull request to add an expert mode that allows that
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1593 2013-04-30 18:42:23 <buZz> sendrawtx <hex string>
1594 2013-04-30 18:42:26 <buZz> this one right?
1595 2013-04-30 18:42:45 <sipa> use listunspent to list the unspent outputs in your wallet
1596 2013-04-30 18:42:46 <BlueMatt> you first createrawtx, then signrawtx, then sendrawtx
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1599 2013-04-30 18:43:12 <sipa> createrawtransaction to build the transaction with the inputs and outputs you want (make *sure* you understand how change works before using this, or you WILL lose money)
1600 2013-04-30 18:43:21 <sipa> then use signrawtransaction to sign the inputs
1601 2013-04-30 18:43:27 <sipa> and sendrawtransaction to broadcast it
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1604 2013-04-30 18:43:37 <buZz> right
1605 2013-04-30 18:43:39 <buZz> ty :D
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1628 2013-04-30 18:46:10 <nsh> DEM PINGS
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1661 2013-04-30 19:19:33 <SirDefaced> is there a how to guide for compiling windows bitcoin-qt in ubuntu?
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1727 2013-04-30 20:19:53 <evan_> So, the more users running the client persistently the better right? Why not encourage that with some points they get in the GUI, they wouldn't do anything... but the longer they ran it the more they'd have. It would also educate the users.
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1730 2013-04-30 20:20:13 <dino> Howdy - curious if anyone here is going to the Bitcoin Conference in May?
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1732 2013-04-30 20:20:27 <jgarzik> dino: yes
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1737 2013-04-30 20:20:45 <jgarzik> evan_: mainly yes. The more users... that accept incoming connections from the outside Internet, outside their firewall.
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1739 2013-04-30 20:21:05 <dino> jgarzik: Good - I'll be there. Looking forward to networking with some of the group here.
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1762 2013-04-30 20:40:16 <syskk> if bin/make-base-vm --arch i386 fails, which files should i clean up to start again?
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1773 2013-04-30 20:58:33 <execut3> is there any info anywhere about using multisign transactions?
1774 2013-04-30 20:58:42 <execut3> I can't seem to get it working properly
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1785 2013-04-30 21:17:23 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: "But http has webscale!"
1786 2013-04-30 21:17:34 <jgarzik> heh
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1791 2013-04-30 21:25:58 <sipa> adding an http interface for public blockchain data wouldn't be too hard...
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1796 2013-04-30 21:31:04 <jgarzik> email sent to bitcoin devs,
1797 2013-04-30 21:31:10 <jgarzik> Opening sentence: "i am aware that u must have a couple of bit-coins spare. dont try treat me like them other guys"
1798 2013-04-30 21:31:12 <jgarzik> <delete>
1799 2013-04-30 21:31:36 <sipa> same :p
1800 2013-04-30 21:31:37 <lianj> ^^
1801 2013-04-30 21:32:00 * sipa ponders clicking "spam"
1802 2013-04-30 21:32:01 <jgarzik> sipa: indeed, though I would veto any attempt to push IBD through HTTP REST with a block-per-request or worse tx-per-request interface
1803 2013-04-30 21:32:02 <jgarzik> puke
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1805 2013-04-30 21:32:32 <jgarzik> sipa: recall my wallet backup via HTTP pull req? That was the start of such an interface.
1806 2013-04-30 21:32:48 <sipa> i know, that's why i said it wouldn't be hard
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1821 2013-04-30 21:54:02 <MC1984_> is all txn relay and verify halted while a processblock is happening
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1832 2013-04-30 22:01:25 <BlueMatt> MC1984_: essentially, see: cs_main
1833 2013-04-30 22:02:06 <sipa> network is not stopped during processing by the way, send and receive from/to buffers still works
1834 2013-04-30 22:02:32 <BlueMatt> well, yes, but processing of just about anything is
1835 2013-04-30 22:03:43 <sipa> true
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1837 2013-04-30 22:04:26 <MC1984_> is that why the console spits out lots of stuff just after a processblock
1838 2013-04-30 22:04:35 <BlueMatt> yes
1839 2013-04-30 22:04:42 <MC1984_> okie dokie
1840 2013-04-30 22:04:53 <BlueMatt> if you mean generally lots of things happening right after a processblock finishes? yes
1841 2013-04-30 22:05:03 <MC1984_> yes
1842 2013-04-30 22:05:32 <kinlo> hmmmz, if you would send 2 times 1 btc to the same address in 1 transaction, how to diffentiate in listtransactions? Would there just not be 2 entries that are exactly the same?
1843 2013-04-30 22:05:33 <MC1984_> hav we had a legit megabyte block yet. the last one seemed big
1844 2013-04-30 22:06:57 <lianj> MC1984_: in testnet
1845 2013-04-30 22:08:13 <sipa> jgarzik: saw my reply to your comment on the do-not-flood-disconnect pullreq?
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1847 2013-04-30 22:08:43 <jgarzik> sipa: yep. need to think about it some more, but it sounds like you covered all edge cases
1848 2013-04-30 22:09:53 <sipa> there is a potential flood attack by sending large and unwanted blocks possible, but you need to be able to handle such block sizes anyway
1849 2013-04-30 22:10:52 <sipa> jgarzik: i'll add a comment explaining why it can't cause a deadlock
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1852 2013-04-30 22:13:49 <sipa> kinlo: is the output index not in the rpc output? if it isn't, it should, imho
1853 2013-04-30 22:14:09 <kinlo> the blockindex is in it, but that just tells me which transaction, not which vout
1854 2013-04-30 22:14:41 <kinlo> given that since the v2 blocks, a txid:vout would be unique, it would be great for a primary key
1855 2013-04-30 22:14:49 <kinlo> but it isn't there
1856 2013-04-30 22:15:46 <kinlo> should I make a pull-request for that?
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1858 2013-04-30 22:15:53 <sipa> kinlo: feel free
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1865 2013-04-30 22:27:09 <phantomcircuit> SetBestChain: new best=000000000000017c4de2 height=232119 work=1037567110717755388008 date=04/19/13 16:17:16
1866 2013-04-30 22:27:18 <phantomcircuit> it's amazing how much faster 0.8.x is
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1876 2013-04-30 22:39:58 <abadr> I'm trying to write a new client. How can I debug my version messages? I try sending to one of the bootstrap nodes but get nothing in response.
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1878 2013-04-30 22:40:00 <abadr> I'm assuming that's because there's something wrong with the format of my message, but I don't know what.
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1886 2013-04-30 22:42:03 <kinlo> sipa: bleh, can't figure it out how to do it :)
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1944 2013-04-30 23:46:03 <owowo> Is it possible to connect bitcoin-qt to a specific node?Like I have a node running on LAN and wan't to connect only to that node?
1945 2013-04-30 23:46:43 <owowo> *want
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1950 2013-04-30 23:50:01 <sipa> owowo: -connect=IP
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1952 2013-04-30 23:50:36 <owowo> k, thx
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