1 2013-05-04 00:00:29 <gecko> duSn: this is the output of config.log http://pastie.org/pastes/7760550/text?key=kh9jhfevpbo9iztfiah5cq
2 2013-05-04 00:02:38 <gecko> that's running ./autogen.sh
3 2013-05-04 00:02:38 <gecko> LIBCURL="-libcurl.dll" ./configure CFLAGS="-O2"
4 2013-05-04 00:03:07 <duSn> you are compiling on mingw/msys?
5 2013-05-04 00:03:12 <gecko> yes
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7 2013-05-04 00:03:45 <duSn> what is your full configure line
8 2013-05-04 00:04:27 <gecko> from configure.ac?
9 2013-05-04 00:07:21 <duSn> you configure ...... line - install the curl.h headers first
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11 2013-05-04 00:08:13 <duSn> the above is your configure line isn't it
12 2013-05-04 00:08:20 <gecko> yes
13 2013-05-04 00:08:44 <duSn> does cpp -v show the location where the curl.h is
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15 2013-05-04 00:09:16 <duSn> and go to #mingw - this is better done there then here
16 2013-05-04 00:09:34 <gecko> can't see curl there
17 2013-05-04 00:09:40 <gecko> nvm will give up
18 2013-05-04 00:09:48 <gecko> only did a hello world before this, it's over my head
19 2013-05-04 00:09:52 <duSn> don't give up
20 2013-05-04 00:10:08 <gecko> it's not really important
21 2013-05-04 00:10:15 <gecko> just would be nice to do
22 2013-05-04 00:10:27 <duSn> you got the curl.h from that curl zip you posted above right
23 2013-05-04 00:10:35 <gecko> yes
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25 2013-05-04 00:11:26 <duSn> put it in the first include dir shown from cpp -v in a dir called curl so ..../include/curl/curl.h
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27 2013-05-04 00:12:00 <duSn> the ..../include being the first include path cpp -v shows
28 2013-05-04 00:12:13 <duSn> pastebin the outpug of cpp -v if you want
29 2013-05-04 00:12:23 <The_Fly> CodeShark: thats the recent merge compiling, test_bitcoin passes also too, so just those 3 TODOs to do... and figure out what to do with RandAddSeedPerfmon as it previously sat under CheckDiskSpace at init "step 11"
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31 2013-05-04 00:13:48 <The_Fly> and is now inside if (fFirstRun) with some other code, GetKeyFromPool/SetDefaultKey/SetAddressBookName
32 2013-05-04 00:14:33 <The_Fly> which looks like it should also be done to each wallet, right
33 2013-05-04 00:16:21 <The_Fly> so then why randseedperfmon only fFirstRun, i dont see why it needs to be inside the performance measurement code GetTimeMillis() - nStart etc.
34 2013-05-04 00:17:55 <The_Fly> and again all this is already in multiwallet, lol
35 2013-05-04 00:18:03 <The_Fly> haha
36 2013-05-04 00:18:04 <gecko> duSn: thanks, trying that
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42 2013-05-04 00:21:34 <duSn> gecko: while you are at it make sure all the rest are in same dir curl.h curlbuild.h curlrules.h curlver.h easy.h mprintf.h multi.h stdcheaders.h typecheck-gcc.h
43 2013-05-04 00:22:15 <gecko> duSn: OK, just copied them all
44 2013-05-04 00:23:11 <gecko> duSn: running the configure commands now, the error about libcurl is gone, thx :)
45 2013-05-04 00:23:59 <duSn> :)
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48 2013-05-04 00:24:32 <gecko> o god, another error http://pastie.org/pastes/7760604/text?key=boqisemptym8nsnzg0xwdq
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51 2013-05-04 00:25:21 <duSn> you paste there got truncated
52 2013-05-04 00:25:56 <duSn> that is make error - so the configure finished
53 2013-05-04 00:26:38 <gecko> oops, can't use > to put the output to text file
54 2013-05-04 00:27:09 <gecko> http://i.imgur.com/lAomTqQ.jpg
55 2013-05-04 00:27:31 <gecko> something now about tcpip, I did copy this file to the directory, as suggested in the guide
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58 2013-05-04 00:28:49 <Vinnie_win> LevelDB got brought in right?
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60 2013-05-04 00:29:48 <vrs> gecko: this wallpaper man, this wallpaper
61 2013-05-04 00:30:24 <gecko> wahey
62 2013-05-04 00:30:47 <gecko> fixed it, used this mstcpip https://ulib-win.googlecode.com/svn-history/r124/trunk/demo/socket/ipv6/mstcpip.h
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64 2013-05-04 00:31:05 <gecko> i was using this 1 http://source.winehq.org/source/include/mstcpip.h?v=wine-1.1.19
65 2013-05-04 00:31:16 <gecko> vrs : pls ignore my sexy wife
66 2013-05-04 00:31:29 <vrs> 'kay
67 2013-05-04 00:31:32 <gecko> duSn: the exe is generated, thank yu for your help :)
68 2013-05-04 00:31:35 <gecko> *you
69 2013-05-04 00:31:40 <duSn> :)
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73 2013-05-04 00:33:55 <duSn> gecko if you are doing other mingw/msys compiles you should set up a dir just for all the includes and libs and use the configure options to tell gcc where they are - this was just a quick temp fix since you said you were 'new' to it
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75 2013-05-04 00:35:13 <gecko> duSn: actually i also installed like 3 versions mingw64, cygwin etc
76 2013-05-04 00:35:33 <gecko> will have to take some time to do it properly
77 2013-05-04 00:35:53 <duSn> okay
78 2013-05-04 00:35:56 <gecko> Is it possible to compile cpuminer for windows using linux?
79 2013-05-04 00:36:16 <Luke-Jr> gecko: probably
80 2013-05-04 00:36:17 <duSn> if it has the options in the configure configure --help
81 2013-05-04 00:36:21 <The_Fly> yep most of that stuff already in multiwallet:src/wallet.cpp, so at the moment -rescan and -upgradewallet act across all wallets
82 2013-05-04 00:36:26 <Luke-Jr> gecko: I do all my BFGMiner builds on Linux
83 2013-05-04 00:36:38 <The_Fly> hm, i can put in "all" and wallet-specific for those... later
84 2013-05-04 00:36:47 <gecko> Luke-jr: yes, windows is all over the shop
85 2013-05-04 00:37:11 <The_Fly> unless there's never a usecase for wallet-specific rescan/upgrade?
86 2013-05-04 00:37:36 <gecko> thx for your help duSn & Luke-Jr
87 2013-05-04 00:38:30 <sipa> The_Fly: i think rescan should be a command/option given when loading a wallet, and upgradewallet can probably become an RPC
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90 2013-05-04 00:39:42 <The_Fly> cool, when loading a wallet via RPC right?
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92 2013-05-04 00:40:03 <The_Fly> or if you give arg to load a specific wallet file as default
93 2013-05-04 00:40:14 <sipa> how is decided which wallets to load at startup?
94 2013-05-04 00:40:23 <The_Fly> wallet- pattern
95 2013-05-04 00:40:36 <The_Fly> regex
96 2013-05-04 00:40:42 <sipa> just all that exist?
97 2013-05-04 00:40:47 <sipa> in the datadir
98 2013-05-04 00:40:48 <The_Fly> yes
99 2013-05-04 00:40:51 <sipa> ah
100 2013-05-04 00:41:07 <The_Fly> could have a config var but hmm
101 2013-05-04 00:41:14 <sipa> well, then you need a way to specify rescans per wallet i guess at startup
102 2013-05-04 00:41:26 <sipa> though rescan could be an RPC as well
103 2013-05-04 00:41:35 <sipa> would be nice if it can be backgrounded
104 2013-05-04 00:41:43 <The_Fly> ah indeed
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106 2013-05-04 00:42:12 <The_Fly> -rescan wallet1,wallet2,wallet3
107 2013-05-04 00:42:23 <The_Fly> -rescan (noarg defaults to wallet.dat)
108 2013-05-04 00:42:29 <The_Fly> -rescan all
109 2013-05-04 00:42:36 <The_Fly> and um... rpc
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111 2013-05-04 00:44:21 <The_Fly> and you might want to use bitcoind to upgrade a wallet, and even just that not the p2p node/rpc/daemon/etc.
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116 2013-05-04 00:46:20 <The_Fly> yeah so seems flushing needs fixed
117 2013-05-04 00:46:25 <The_Fly> for the other wallets
118 2013-05-04 00:46:46 <The_Fly> *now* i sleep
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125 2013-05-04 00:56:39 <gecko> duSn: do you know if there is some way to build the exe with the dlls inside, without having to copy to the .exe directory, i tried adding -static to the cflags, but output is the same
126 2013-05-04 00:57:23 <sipa> which dll's?
127 2013-05-04 00:57:41 <sipa> also, static is a linker flag, not a compiler flag
128 2013-05-04 00:57:55 <gecko> sipa: libcurl.dll libeay32.dll libidn-11.dll librtmp.dll libssh2.dll ssleay32.dll zlib1.dll
129 2013-05-04 00:58:07 <sipa> hmm k
130 2013-05-04 00:58:11 <gecko> oops, I'm new to this
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132 2013-05-04 00:58:18 <gecko> just would be nice to have in single exe
133 2013-05-04 00:58:21 <duSn> gecko: do you have the dll.a files
134 2013-05-04 00:58:24 <gecko> yes
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137 2013-05-04 01:02:31 <The_Fly> bitcoin uses curl somewhere? lol
138 2013-05-04 01:02:41 <The_Fly> zlib
139 2013-05-04 01:02:56 * The_Fly zzzzzzzz
140 2013-05-04 01:05:27 <skinnkavaj> This new kraken exchange really is hot shit technically, check it out https://beta.kraken.com and RELEASE the kraken
141 2013-05-04 01:05:31 <skinnkavaj> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1dltvr/krakencom_us_exchange_opens_beta/
142 2013-05-04 01:06:36 <The_Fly> â
143 2013-05-04 01:07:06 <jgarzik> skinnkavaj: #bitcoin, please
144 2013-05-04 01:07:47 <skinnkavaj> <3
145 2013-05-04 01:09:31 <scripting> How big is txid from a transaction?
146 2013-05-04 01:09:35 <scripting> bits wise
147 2013-05-04 01:09:46 <The_Fly> skinnkavaj: their page still has lorem ipsum on it *facepalm*
148 2013-05-04 01:11:11 <Vinnie_win> Hey guys can you please tell me how you integrated LevelDB into Bitcoin-QT? The Windows port is in a separate branch...what did you do?
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150 2013-05-04 01:12:44 <duSn> gecko try make static if not in the Makefile check out this is good to learn the diff of static and dynamic http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/84461/MinGW-Static-and-Dynamic-Libraries
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152 2013-05-04 01:14:05 <scripting> Is a transaction ID 512bits?
153 2013-05-04 01:14:29 <Vinnie_win> I'm trying to integrate LevelDB into my own project, wondering how the Windows version was handled in Bitcoin-QT
154 2013-05-04 01:14:50 <jgarzik> define "handled"?
155 2013-05-04 01:14:59 <jgarzik> leveldb supports multiple platforms, including Windows
156 2013-05-04 01:15:10 <Vinnie_win> jgarzik: The master branch of leveldb is missing the port_windows.h present in the 'windows' branch
157 2013-05-04 01:16:20 <Vinnie_win> jgarzil: Bitcoin-QT has "port_win.h" which isn't present in leveldb's master branch. So which branch did you use when adding it to Bitcoin-QT?
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159 2013-05-04 01:19:51 <Vinnie_win> How did LevelDB get added to the Bitcoin-QT repo? Just by copying the files over?
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163 2013-05-04 01:22:50 <gecko> duSn: thanks
164 2013-05-04 01:23:05 <scripting> I just saw that its possible for 2 transactions to have the same transaction id... thats messed up
165 2013-05-04 01:23:20 <scripting> so that can't be used reliably on a database to differenciate 2 as primary keys correct?
166 2013-05-04 01:23:22 <duSn> gecko: is the make static in the Makefile?
167 2013-05-04 01:23:26 <gecko> no
168 2013-05-04 01:23:29 <scripting> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=28387.0
169 2013-05-04 01:24:30 <scripting> Can someone shed some light into this subject?
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172 2013-05-04 01:26:19 <gecko> duSn: I'm running following cmd to create the exe http://pastie.org/pastes/7760710/text?key=4pws952ahwmzjesgtdyhw
173 2013-05-04 01:26:34 <scripting> All knowledgable devs either lazy or asleep today? Need some support here pretty please :P
174 2013-05-04 01:27:02 <gecko> so from the link you gave me, it shows i must include other stuff with -l
175 2013-05-04 01:27:17 <duSn> right and -c
176 2013-05-04 01:27:36 <duSn> -Ldir
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179 2013-05-04 01:29:06 <duSn> do it in two steps like it shows
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182 2013-05-04 01:30:22 <duSn> and put it in a script with chmod 700 so you can play with it
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184 2013-05-04 01:34:48 <duSn> gecko: this is from the make static from testdisk $(MAKE) LDFLAGS="$(LDFLAGS) -static" LIBS="$(PTHREAD_LIBS) $(LIBS)" CFLAGS="$(PTHREAD_CFLAGS) $(CFLAGS)" CXXFLAGS="$(PTHREAD_CFLAGS) $(CXXFLAGS)"
185 2013-05-04 01:35:49 <gecko> seeme to get 'linker input file unused because linking not done'
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187 2013-05-04 01:36:07 <gecko> anyway i think now really trying to jump in deep end
188 2013-05-04 01:36:18 <gecko> i should better read more about this
189 2013-05-04 01:36:42 <gecko> thanks for your help anyway, it's working at least perfect with dlls together
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191 2013-05-04 01:38:13 <duSn> do you see that the -static is with the linker flag LDFLAGS and not the compiler flag CFLAGS
192 2013-05-04 01:38:40 <gecko> yes
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195 2013-05-04 01:39:58 <duSn> so make LDFLAGS="-static" yourlibs etc
196 2013-05-04 01:40:22 <duSn> edit you Makefile and try just adding the -static in the right place :)
197 2013-05-04 01:40:53 <duSn> you'll need to rm the exe first though
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200 2013-05-04 01:45:05 <gecko> ko
201 2013-05-04 01:45:15 <gecko> thx for your help duSn
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203 2013-05-04 01:45:23 <duSn> did you get it
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222 2013-05-04 02:17:08 <ProfMac_> Hi, ProfNeurus.
223 2013-05-04 02:17:18 <ProfNeurus> Hello there.
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232 2013-05-04 02:34:15 <rbd> is there a better pushpool web frontend than mmCfe?? looks like it hasn't been updated in awhile
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234 2013-05-04 02:34:40 <rbd> I like mmcfe, but was just looking for a newer version...what I see on github hasn't been updated in 7 months and there are no newer forks
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252 2013-05-04 03:05:14 <alex3> hey people
253 2013-05-04 03:05:23 <alex3> anyone here build win QT lately
254 2013-05-04 03:05:33 <alex3> instructions seems to be many and mad
255 2013-05-04 03:05:34 <alex3> :D
256 2013-05-04 03:06:49 <duSn> alex3: what os?
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259 2013-05-04 03:10:22 <alex3> win server 2008 32 bit
260 2013-05-04 03:10:55 <duSn> why not save yourself headache and just installed already compiled
261 2013-05-04 03:11:36 <ezdiy> alex3: i did
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264 2013-05-04 03:12:15 <alex3> duSn: already compiled cause I want to learn how to compile
265 2013-05-04 03:12:18 <alex3> its handy
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267 2013-05-04 03:12:28 <alex3> else u can install wallet that take u coins, etc
268 2013-05-04 03:12:28 <alex3> :P
269 2013-05-04 03:12:39 <alex3> plus I am curious how it works
270 2013-05-04 03:12:46 <ezdiy> i dont follow
271 2013-05-04 03:12:56 <ezdiy> if you managed to compile it why are you asking? :)
272 2013-05-04 03:13:25 <alex3> I mean I prefer to learn how do it
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274 2013-05-04 03:13:54 <ezdiy> well
275 2013-05-04 03:13:54 <alex3> it seems simple, I installed open ssl boost QT visual studio even
276 2013-05-04 03:13:55 <ezdiy> its kinda like
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278 2013-05-04 03:14:06 <ezdiy> nmake /fMakefile.vc
279 2013-05-04 03:14:11 <ezdiy> *poof*
280 2013-05-04 03:14:13 <ezdiy> magic
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283 2013-05-04 03:15:09 <ezdiy> alex3: getting familiar with vs is tricky sometimes though
284 2013-05-04 03:15:20 <ezdiy> especially if you want to cross compile on msvc2008
285 2013-05-04 03:15:31 <ezdiy> the usual ms service pack madness
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287 2013-05-04 03:15:40 <alex3> yes I might bribe my friend with small fpga to help me understand :D
288 2013-05-04 03:15:41 <alex3> hehe
289 2013-05-04 03:15:59 <alex3> yes linux is easier!
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291 2013-05-04 03:16:27 <ezdiy> well this has nothing to do with bitcoin actually
292 2013-05-04 03:16:43 <ezdiy> its just microsoft failing at being proper dev platform
293 2013-05-04 03:16:44 <ezdiy> nothing new
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295 2013-05-04 03:17:33 <alex3> oo google said I will help you alex
296 2013-05-04 03:17:34 <alex3> :D
297 2013-05-04 03:17:35 <alex3> wow
298 2013-05-04 03:17:40 <ezdiy> yeah
299 2013-05-04 03:17:44 <ezdiy> it helped everyone :)
300 2013-05-04 03:17:58 <ezdiy> and if everything fails
301 2013-05-04 03:17:59 <alex3> damn!
302 2013-05-04 03:18:04 <ezdiy> theres the mingw makefile too
303 2013-05-04 03:18:09 <ezdiy> which is almost like linux
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305 2013-05-04 03:18:16 <alex3> or Cygwin
306 2013-05-04 03:18:23 <Vinnie_win> BlueMatt: The automated pull tester is badass
307 2013-05-04 03:18:23 <ezdiy> no curse words lol
308 2013-05-04 03:18:29 <alex3> what curse?
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310 2013-05-04 03:18:34 <ezdiy> cygwin is cursed
311 2013-05-04 03:18:37 <alex3> google suggests it!
312 2013-05-04 03:18:43 <ezdiy> lol, for bitcoin?
313 2013-05-04 03:18:47 <alex3> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2540317/compiling-linux-sources-in-windows-enviroment
314 2013-05-04 03:19:22 <ezdiy> yea
315 2013-05-04 03:19:28 <ezdiy> thats kinda too general
316 2013-05-04 03:19:36 <ezdiy> the question is misnomer though
317 2013-05-04 03:19:47 <ezdiy> it should read 'compiling linux-only sourcecode on windows'
318 2013-05-04 03:19:49 <duSn> ezdiy: a great majority of the bitcoin wallets are on windows machines? right
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320 2013-05-04 03:20:11 <ezdiy> duSn: most likely yeah
321 2013-05-04 03:20:37 <alex3> yep
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323 2013-05-04 03:21:03 <alex3> for exampe I installed someone ready made small change test coin wallet and it was not even working
324 2013-05-04 03:21:03 <alex3> :D
325 2013-05-04 03:21:21 <ezdiy> ah
326 2013-05-04 03:21:24 <ezdiy> here we go
327 2013-05-04 03:21:38 <ezdiy> i should totally release that metacoin script
328 2013-05-04 03:21:49 <ezdiy> (it patches git tree to create your very own scamcoin)
329 2013-05-04 03:21:51 <alex3> what can it do?
330 2013-05-04 03:22:00 <ezdiy> scamcoins
331 2013-05-04 03:22:08 <ezdiy> the entry barrier is still too high
332 2013-05-04 03:22:19 <alex3> wow awesome however I think it wont work
333 2013-05-04 03:22:25 <ezdiy> i think 1000s of scamcoins, each running at diff 1 is what we need
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335 2013-05-04 03:22:31 <alex3> some people can barely open linux
336 2013-05-04 03:22:32 <alex3> :D
337 2013-05-04 03:22:40 <ezdiy> alex3: its pygtk actually
338 2013-05-04 03:22:42 <ezdiy> and runs on windows
339 2013-05-04 03:22:48 <ezdiy> in fact it runs only on windows
340 2013-05-04 03:23:00 <alex3> well go ahead lets see
341 2013-05-04 03:23:02 <alex3> what u made
342 2013-05-04 03:23:10 <ezdiy> well, its kinda nuclear kind of thing
343 2013-05-04 03:23:12 <alex3> lol
344 2013-05-04 03:23:23 <alex3> it might nuke btc then
345 2013-05-04 03:23:36 <ezdiy> well, more likely all the new altchains
346 2013-05-04 03:23:42 <ezdiy> and one forum section
347 2013-05-04 03:23:47 <alex3> lol
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349 2013-05-04 03:24:01 <alex3> ezdiy: swap all u btc for 1 bitbar
350 2013-05-04 03:24:02 <alex3> :P
351 2013-05-04 03:24:13 <ezdiy> none the less
352 2013-05-04 03:24:13 <alex3> it even got cheap shiny graphics
353 2013-05-04 03:24:21 <ezdiy> as long there are people buying it for 30 btc
354 2013-05-04 03:24:25 <ezdiy> i have no intentions of releasing it
355 2013-05-04 03:24:31 <ezdiy> for free :)
356 2013-05-04 03:24:35 <alex3> well its 0.9 btc atm
357 2013-05-04 03:24:36 <alex3> :D
358 2013-05-04 03:24:46 <alex3> 1 bit bar is about 0.9 btc
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361 2013-05-04 03:25:20 <alex3> ezdiy: u script hardly works I say 30 btc or what
362 2013-05-04 03:25:23 <alex3> :P
363 2013-05-04 03:25:26 <ezdiy> hehe
364 2013-05-04 03:25:50 <alex3> i on other hand can code coin for u however without GUI atm
365 2013-05-04 03:25:51 <alex3> :P
366 2013-05-04 03:26:00 <ezdiy> lol
367 2013-05-04 03:26:02 <ezdiy> thats useless
368 2013-05-04 03:26:17 <alex3> well i got idea it can be freicoin based gui
369 2013-05-04 03:26:32 <alex3> it says press button wait and 80% goes to me
370 2013-05-04 03:26:33 <vrs> ezdiy: I thought of taking it a bit further, creating a bunch of those coins with parameters tweaked and automatically create a bunch of threads in the altcoin forum
371 2013-05-04 03:26:36 <alex3> in name of xx theorty
372 2013-05-04 03:26:46 <vrs> and then treat the whole thing as an evolutionary algorithm
373 2013-05-04 03:27:04 <alex3> vrs soon a group of people start to check new coins code
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375 2013-05-04 03:27:11 <alex3> like ok team
376 2013-05-04 03:27:11 <alex3> :P
377 2013-05-04 03:27:20 <alex3> yay to alts revolution
378 2013-05-04 03:28:22 <vrs> I mean the whole "automatically write sales pitches" part still needs a bit of work...
379 2013-05-04 03:28:32 <ezdiy> vrs: yeah
380 2013-05-04 03:28:42 <ezdiy> gmaxwell suggested i should integrate smf hosting too
381 2013-05-04 03:28:47 <ezdiy> you get the full package
382 2013-05-04 03:28:59 <ezdiy> smf site, sales pitch to scamcoin section on btalk etc
383 2013-05-04 03:29:02 <Luke-Jr> this is #bitcoin-dev, you want #scamcoins-dev
384 2013-05-04 03:29:04 <alex3> whoever mines new coin http://media.okidoker.com/data01/c/2/5/5/167615/1011588/4814701_2.jpg?updated=1365862628
385 2013-05-04 03:29:28 <alex3> Luke-Jr: come to defocus :D
386 2013-05-04 03:29:29 <alex3> hehe
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388 2013-05-04 03:30:13 <ezdiy> Luke-Jr: i think contrib/scamcoin.py is actually bound to be pushed upstream
389 2013-05-04 03:30:19 <ezdiy> i mean, its so often requested feature
390 2013-05-04 03:30:32 <Luke-Jr> ezdiy: mere requests are irrelevant
391 2013-05-04 03:30:32 <gmaxwell> ezdiy: I NAK you so hard your patch catches fire.
392 2013-05-04 03:30:39 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: lol
393 2013-05-04 03:30:42 <alex3> hahaha
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396 2013-05-04 03:31:04 <ezdiy> gmaxwell: i understand. it lacks the smf hosting part :/
397 2013-05-04 03:31:08 <gmaxwell> haha
398 2013-05-04 03:31:30 <vrs> ezdiy: does it have cloudflare integration? it needs cloudflare integration!
399 2013-05-04 03:31:40 <alex3> I am making auto GUI qt maker
400 2013-05-04 03:31:41 <alex3> :)
401 2013-05-04 03:31:44 <alex3> 60% done
402 2013-05-04 03:31:47 <Luke-Jr> it also needs to automate generating the foil variant ;)
403 2013-05-04 03:31:55 <gmaxwell> Yea, what bitcoin site is complete without funneling all traffic through cloudflare. :P
404 2013-05-04 03:32:00 <ezdiy> alex3: dont leak it in public dummy
405 2013-05-04 03:32:04 <ezdiy> alex3: you'd ruin my bussiness
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407 2013-05-04 03:32:11 <alex3> ezdiy: u got none :)
408 2013-05-04 03:32:32 <alex3> plus I plan to use it for test and some other self purposes
409 2013-05-04 03:32:47 <ezdiy> well, i'm ok with -testnet for testing
410 2013-05-04 03:33:06 <alex3> while in defocus I though where is site for people digital rep?
411 2013-05-04 03:33:26 <alex3> say you make ID keys and then people can rate you in variety of categories
412 2013-05-04 03:33:37 <alex3> people love rating it can overtake FB
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414 2013-05-04 03:34:10 <ezdiy> sorry, in english please
415 2013-05-04 03:34:11 <alex3> categories can be to start with 1-coding skills 2-social skills 3-looks 4-IQ
416 2013-05-04 03:34:11 <alex3> and so on
417 2013-05-04 03:34:29 <alex3> ezdiy: online people rarely trust
418 2013-05-04 03:34:40 <alex3> now imagine global trust system
419 2013-05-04 03:34:41 <ezdiy> alex3: 1 - github, 2 - irc, 3 - facebook, 4 - poker sites
420 2013-05-04 03:34:50 <ezdiy> so you need to combine it all
421 2013-05-04 03:34:50 <alex3> people using digital ids
422 2013-05-04 03:35:19 <ezdiy> i, for one, would be to join github-irc-facebook-poker-all-in-one social site
423 2013-05-04 03:35:22 <ezdiy> with digital ids
424 2013-05-04 03:35:48 <alex3> well I can make new github with troll box, where each nick got profile and some comments page and also troll box people can auto join poker boxes below
425 2013-05-04 03:35:49 <alex3> thats it
426 2013-05-04 03:36:04 <ezdiy> well there are trollboxes
427 2013-05-04 03:36:14 <ezdiy> with each pull and commit
428 2013-05-04 03:36:15 <ezdiy> and issue
429 2013-05-04 03:36:22 <alex3> they are slow
430 2013-05-04 03:36:31 <alex3> it gotta be instant giant chat box
431 2013-05-04 03:36:34 <alex3> for all gits
432 2013-05-04 03:36:38 <ezdiy> wow
433 2013-05-04 03:36:41 <ezdiy> that sounds efficient
434 2013-05-04 03:36:45 <alex3> and tons of trolls shouting their complains
435 2013-05-04 03:36:49 <alex3> at huge rate
436 2013-05-04 03:37:02 <alex3> yes needs cloudfare to handle traffic
437 2013-05-04 03:37:31 <ezdiy> however it must leak ip via emails
438 2013-05-04 03:37:38 <alex3> plus in new git if dont answer min 10 complains per hour u git well something happens to it
439 2013-05-04 03:37:45 <ezdiy> so people will know where to set their /etc/hosts when cloudflare decides to kick the site out
440 2013-05-04 03:37:49 <ezdiy> for too much ddos
441 2013-05-04 03:37:49 <alex3> like some files get locked
442 2013-05-04 03:37:56 <alex3> or trolls get to edit git lol
443 2013-05-04 03:38:09 <alex3> to hold trolls away must talk to them in box and get +1
444 2013-05-04 03:38:10 <alex3> :P
445 2013-05-04 03:38:30 <alex3> ok thats too harsh lol
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447 2013-05-04 03:38:46 <ezdiy> alex3: github has no concept of likes
448 2013-05-04 03:38:50 <ezdiy> they call it 'stars'
449 2013-05-04 03:38:55 <ezdiy> followers
450 2013-05-04 03:38:56 <ezdiy> and forks
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452 2013-05-04 03:39:03 <ezdiy> forks being the most important
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455 2013-05-04 03:41:30 <alex3> so forks are cool right?
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461 2013-05-04 03:43:52 <alex3> but really apart gribble and scammer threads any ways to manage rep
462 2013-05-04 03:44:06 <alex3> those scammer threads lack substance
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464 2013-05-04 03:45:04 <ezdiy> alex3: rep is overrated
465 2013-05-04 03:45:20 <ezdiy> i simply trust friends, regardless whether oti or irl
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467 2013-05-04 03:45:56 <ezdiy> oti scammers fail at getting any favourable rapport since their operate shallow, with fast victim turnover
468 2013-05-04 03:46:09 <alex3> (6:22:49 AM) MrsGabs: Lady_Aleena: how would electronic documents smell of smoke?
469 2013-05-04 03:46:09 <alex3> (6:22:58 AM) Boohbah: ELECTRONS!
470 2013-05-04 03:46:10 <alex3> :P
471 2013-05-04 03:46:15 <alex3> from defocus
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473 2013-05-04 03:46:37 <alex3> ezdiy: u can game gribble easily
474 2013-05-04 03:46:49 fanquake has joined
475 2013-05-04 03:46:57 <alex3> make many accounts get each rate 2 or 3 then rate 10 accounts
476 2013-05-04 03:47:08 <ezdiy> never really bothered to do it
477 2013-05-04 03:47:09 <alex3> its just takes time yet doable
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480 2013-05-04 03:47:28 * alex3 legit_buyer
481 2013-05-04 03:47:30 <alex3> haha
482 2013-05-04 03:47:35 <alex3> I do like this
483 2013-05-04 03:47:37 <ezdiy> sensible otc traders have decent socks raddar though
484 2013-05-04 03:47:46 <ezdiy> judging from the everyday drama at #bitcoin-otc
485 2013-05-04 03:47:48 <alex3> people who dont use irc say wow cool P
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488 2013-05-04 03:51:31 <ezdiy> kids these days.
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548 2013-05-04 04:22:40 <ProfMac_> what is going on with bitcointalk.org?
549 2013-05-04 04:22:59 <ssjsij> mkk
550 2013-05-04 04:23:10 ashman3 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
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552 2013-05-04 04:24:06 <ssjsij> a
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558 2013-05-04 04:26:56 <ashman3> ee
559 2013-05-04 04:28:38 cads has joined
560 2013-05-04 04:29:03 <ashman3> heh
561 2013-05-04 04:29:06 <ashman3> Yes
562 2013-05-04 04:29:07 <ashman3> it's
563 2013-05-04 04:29:15 <ashman3> and
564 2013-05-04 04:29:26 <ashman3> I
565 2013-05-04 04:29:34 twobits has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
566 2013-05-04 04:29:36 <ashman3> never
567 2013-05-04 04:29:43 <ashman3> they
568 2013-05-04 04:29:53 <ashman3> *withdrawn
569 2013-05-04 04:30:15 <IanCormac> What the hell
570 2013-05-04 04:30:21 <ashman3> im
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573 2013-05-04 04:30:37 <IanCormac> Why was he repeating every first word from #bitcoin comments?
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576 2013-05-04 04:31:29 <ashman3> btc-e
577 2013-05-04 04:31:32 <ashman3> I've
578 2013-05-04 04:31:33 <ashman3> yeah
579 2013-05-04 04:31:36 <ashman3> IanCormac:
580 2013-05-04 04:31:37 <ashman3> i
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582 2013-05-04 04:32:07 <IanCormac> lol
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587 2013-05-04 04:34:34 <ashman3> Adran:
588 2013-05-04 04:34:35 <ashman3> heneusl_pay:
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592 2013-05-04 04:35:51 <ashman3> kdkqwd:
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595 2013-05-04 04:37:47 <ashman3> WHo do you think is the owner hen?
596 2013-05-04 04:37:53 <ashman3> but im a op already in a channel
597 2013-05-04 04:38:03 <ashman3> but just need to get one
598 2013-05-04 04:38:19 <ashman3> SeanTheTech: Sure. But if you want to help out in channels here, you generally need to start helping out, no expectation of ops.
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600 2013-05-04 04:38:42 <ashman3> heneusl_pay, it is not publicly owned ... it is publicly traded
601 2013-05-04 04:38:53 <ashman3> I own transmetta also.
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603 2013-05-04 04:39:00 <ashman3> )
604 2013-05-04 04:39:05 <Luke-Jr> nanotube: tcatm BlueMatt jgarzik UukGoblin gmaxwell sipa coingenuity SomeoneWeird
605 2013-05-04 04:39:09 <ashman3> Adran: true but if i help out in channel for a year....you are not gonna give me op.....for example
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607 2013-05-04 04:39:21 <ashman3> SeanTheTech: depends on specific channel, really.
608 2013-05-04 04:39:23 <ashman3> SeanTheTech: That isn't true at all.
609 2013-05-04 04:39:34 <ashman3> Adran: lol
610 2013-05-04 04:39:41 <ashman3> SeanTheTech: Ubuntu gives ops to people who help out for long periods of time, freenode staff were picked without an expectation of being ops.
611 2013-05-04 04:39:43 <ashman3> etc
612 2013-05-04 04:40:04 <ashman3> Adran: do you have a channel
613 2013-05-04 04:40:16 <ashman3> I have quite a few channels.
614 2013-05-04 04:40:48 <Luke-Jr> nanotube: thx
615 2013-05-04 04:40:56 <nanotube> :)
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619 2013-05-04 04:45:18 <ashman3> I had a period of a year absence in there, and another 6 month a bit before
620 2013-05-04 04:46:17 <ashman3> my channel is getting a bit stamping
621 2013-05-04 04:46:21 <jgarzik> ;;kban ashman3
622 2013-05-04 04:47:08 <ssjsij> ';
623 2013-05-04 04:47:15 <IanCormac> Lol
624 2013-05-04 04:47:19 <IanCormac> what is the deal with this guy
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642 2013-05-04 04:55:45 <nanotube> mm, ban list seems to be full
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644 2013-05-04 04:56:31 <Luke-Jr> if we ban *!*@* then it takes care of them all in 1 item!
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648 2013-05-04 05:01:05 <nanotube> that should hold us for a while. >_>
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653 2013-05-04 05:05:38 <phantomcircuit> nanotube, lol
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657 2013-05-04 05:09:38 <helo> not-bitcoin idea - optional structure that indicates a vouch by the miner that a series of blocks affect the txout set the same as a supplied single transaction or sequence of transactions. coinbase transaction is valid only if nobody can publish proof that the supplied transaction does not correctly represent the blocks indicated. if proof is published before the coinbase transaction is spendable, then they can substitute a coinbase transaction of their
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685 2013-05-04 05:45:54 <SeanTheTech> goodnight:)
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763 2013-05-04 08:05:25 <dansmith_btc> Hi, after running -txindex=1 -reindex, does every future invocation of bitcoind has to have -txindex=1 explicitely ?
764 2013-05-04 08:07:44 <Scrat> dansmith_btc: yes
765 2013-05-04 08:08:50 <dansmith_btc> Scrat, what if I forget to add -txindex=1 on a future invocation, will I have to -txindex=1 -reindex again?
766 2013-05-04 08:09:36 <wumpus> https://github.com/bitcoin LOL github identifies the main programming language of bitcoin as "TypeScript"
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768 2013-05-04 08:11:06 <Goonie_> can anyone tell me why this transaction has been confirmed? https://blockchain.info/tx/bdac9a5c2ea20d753198d5e27be90d095d70a1e75d6aa8a2a84fa0dad9870694
769 2013-05-04 08:11:08 <Goonie_> in theory, it shouldn't because fee is too low (should be 12 * 0.0005 = 0.006 BTC)
770 2013-05-04 08:11:18 <Scrat> dansmith_btc: pretty sure that if you forget to add it you'll get a hole of transactions that can't be looked up, so you have to reindex
771 2013-05-04 08:12:00 <Scrat> Goonie_: yep too big
772 2013-05-04 08:12:35 <Goonie_> Scrat: it *has* been confirmed. I'd like to know why.
773 2013-05-04 08:13:05 <wumpus> well there are miners that consider every transaction, fee or not
774 2013-05-04 08:13:32 <Scrat> oh, I just woke up sorry
775 2013-05-04 08:13:49 <Goonie_> ok, and how did the tx get to the miners? I thought such tx are not even relayed.
776 2013-05-04 08:14:21 <dansmith_btc> Scrat, do you think I should make a feature request- if there was -txindex=1 once, it should be implied for the future invocations unless overriden with -txindex=0
777 2013-05-04 08:14:26 <wumpus> could have been sent directly to a miner; but I don't know the relaying rules in detail
778 2013-05-04 08:14:57 <Goonie_> ok thanks
779 2013-05-04 08:16:49 <Scrat> dansmith_btc: then there'd only be a -reindex and a -deleteindex or something
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810 2013-05-04 09:11:17 <grau> !ticker
811 2013-05-04 09:11:18 <gribble> BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 102.88727, Best ask: 103.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.11273, Last trade: 103.00003, 24 hour volume: 181551.84427870, 24 hour low: 79.00000, 24 hour high: 103.88880, 24 hour vwap: 90.67003
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853 2013-05-04 10:22:28 <Aurigae1> hi there, i got a lil problem wit ha eloipool installation, something changed since my last install 5 months ago, pastebin is install log & error message http://pastebin.com/pwU4bzFn "ImportError: No module named bitcoinrpc.authproxy"
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924 2013-05-04 11:57:34 <frib> how can I make bitcoin-qt deliver coins to a specific public address if I find a block?
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927 2013-05-04 11:58:35 <BlueMatt> you cant (with bitcoin-qt/d)
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929 2013-05-04 11:58:55 <BlueMatt> well, not easily, though I believe there is the fancy block gen api thinggy
930 2013-05-04 11:59:41 <BlueMatt> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BIP_0022 and further ones
931 2013-05-04 11:59:56 <BlueMatt> and BIP 23
932 2013-05-04 12:00:19 <frib> how can I do it without bitcoin-qt/d then?
933 2013-05-04 12:00:49 <BlueMatt> no other clients can/should mine, so...you cant
934 2013-05-04 12:01:03 <BlueMatt> its either use bip 22/23 or modify bitcoind
935 2013-05-04 12:01:40 <BlueMatt> no, wait, you should be able to use a private p2pool to do solo mining to whatever address you do
936 2013-05-04 12:01:52 <BlueMatt> so use p2pool as a mining proxy
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940 2013-05-04 12:06:41 <frib> so i would have to connect my miner to p2pool instead of to bitcoin-qt server?
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943 2013-05-04 12:07:12 <frib> nvm
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956 2013-05-04 12:25:51 <default_> Hello, reindexing with -txindex=1 of the last 3000 blocks takes about 5 secs per block on my modern laptop.I need to wait another 5 hours. If I interrupt the reindexing now, will it resume where it left off?
957 2013-05-04 12:26:19 <The_Fly> it should, but dont listen to me
958 2013-05-04 12:26:27 <The_Fly> wait for someone else to confirm either way
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963 2013-05-04 12:34:05 <skinnkavaj> when i send from 1 adress, why can i see 2 public keys?
964 2013-05-04 12:34:08 <skinnkavaj> like this
965 2013-05-04 12:34:10 <skinnkavaj> https://blockchain.info/sv/tx/a3ea6440f5f2342bd0716a58dc1d96495cdda93bab34e2172c377eceb1a75a66
966 2013-05-04 12:34:30 <skinnkavaj> 13ES is my public key
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971 2013-05-04 12:36:51 <The_Fly> was the other transaction not your change
972 2013-05-04 12:37:15 <The_Fly> (or the other person's change?)
973 2013-05-04 12:37:32 <Scrat> 19Qe is your change
974 2013-05-04 12:37:41 <Scrat> also I hate you for changing my b.i to swedish
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977 2013-05-04 12:38:04 <kauzu> https://blockchain.info/tx/24d322d2f32352cf1ab747d8877c7799e1080e31a36105eb4b9ea79287a4643f will the network accept this transaction?
978 2013-05-04 12:38:40 <Scrat> kauzu: yes, it will take a few hours to confirm
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981 2013-05-04 12:39:18 <kauzu> scrat: even with such a small fee?
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985 2013-05-04 12:40:58 <Scrat> yep
986 2013-05-04 12:43:01 <kauzu> on which position in the bitcoined source is decidet if a transaction will be accepted?
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989 2013-05-04 12:44:09 <Scrat> read this https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transaction_fees
990 2013-05-04 12:44:37 <Scrat> zero (or low) fees are all about miner rules and supply & demand
991 2013-05-04 12:46:14 <gonffen> here is a moderately dumb question
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993 2013-05-04 12:47:10 <gonffen> what are the odds a transaction will be relayed if the fee is below 0.0005btc/kb given an output less than 0.01
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996 2013-05-04 12:48:49 <Sealy> hi daybyter
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999 2013-05-04 12:49:17 <daybyter> Hi Sealy!
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1001 2013-05-04 12:49:34 <Sealy> how are you?
1002 2013-05-04 12:49:51 <daybyter> Great! How are you?
1003 2013-05-04 12:50:07 <tormenta> hi, could any of devs check this issue > https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=194801.msg2024732#msg2024732 thanks!
1004 2013-05-04 12:50:44 <Sealy> yeah good
1005 2013-05-04 12:50:46 <Sealy> very busy
1006 2013-05-04 12:50:57 <kauzu> scrat: priority = sum(input_value_in_base_units * input_age)/size_in_bytes // is input_value_in_base_units 1 satoshi? .... is input_age the time since last transaction of input? if yes in milli seconds or what?
1007 2013-05-04 12:51:00 <tormenta> compueter restarted, all bitcoin install files removed than unpacked again, still same issue
1008 2013-05-04 12:51:20 <daybyter> Learned yesterday about stop-loss orders...
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1010 2013-05-04 12:51:27 <Scrat> kauzu: blocks
1011 2013-05-04 12:51:33 <daybyter> now I'm not sure, if I should implement it in the lib.
1012 2013-05-04 12:51:49 <daybyter> might result in a lot of work, if I do it right...
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1015 2013-05-04 12:54:10 <Sealy> yep daybyter, my site has them
1016 2013-05-04 12:54:15 <Sealy> well automatic stop losses
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1018 2013-05-04 12:54:27 <Sealy> theyre very expensive for me if the market gaps
1019 2013-05-04 12:54:31 <Sealy> but i cover user losses
1020 2013-05-04 12:54:59 <daybyter> I just thought about adding a condition field to the Order class.
1021 2013-05-04 12:55:22 <daybyter> using the formal trading language, that I proposed in the forum.
1022 2013-05-04 12:55:40 <daybyter> and let the OrderBook evaluate this condition, before the order is executed.
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1026 2013-05-04 13:00:57 <Sealy> the problem with stop losses is that theydont work properly if the stop order is partially filled
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1030 2013-05-04 13:02:11 <daybyter> I could let the user deal with that poblem...
1031 2013-05-04 13:02:22 <daybyter> just evaluate the expression...
1032 2013-05-04 13:02:38 <daybyter> ...but that's problem enough...writing such an interpreter... :-(
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1034 2013-05-04 13:03:04 <kauzu> scrat: will every transaction that is smaller than 10k byte AND priority over 57.6M AND 0.01 BTC or larger be accepted by the network?
1035 2013-05-04 13:03:28 <kauzu> even if fee is zero
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1040 2013-05-04 13:07:09 <daybyter> Hi Jasmin68k!
1041 2013-05-04 13:07:31 <daybyter> Want to develop bitcoin software now?
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1044 2013-05-04 13:08:06 <Sealy> you are doing a huge amoount of work daybyter
1045 2013-05-04 13:08:11 <daybyter> ???
1046 2013-05-04 13:08:16 <Sealy> you should hire a few helpers on the forum
1047 2013-05-04 13:08:17 <Jasmin68k> Hi daybyter :) Not at the momemt, but you never know...lurking won't hurt.
1048 2013-05-04 13:08:19 <Sealy> to help you code
1049 2013-05-04 13:08:22 <daybyter> not enough...
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1052 2013-05-04 13:08:43 <daybyter> I thought by releasing the code, some devs would help with the lib.
1053 2013-05-04 13:09:03 <daybyter> So I could focus on the rest. But no luck so far... :-(
1054 2013-05-04 13:09:29 <daybyter> So I stopped releasing more code for now, and will just maintain the already released code for now.
1055 2013-05-04 13:09:37 <daybyter> Rest remains closed source...
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1059 2013-05-04 13:13:17 <kauzu> will every transaction that is smaller than 10k byte AND priority over 57.6M AND 0.01 BTC or larger be accepted by the network even if fee=0 ?
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1062 2013-05-04 13:14:36 <gonffen> it should be at least relayed given the current rules
1063 2013-05-04 13:14:49 <gonffen> being included in a block becomes a supply/demand thing though I think
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1069 2013-05-04 13:20:44 <kauzu> gnoffen: has anyone ever made stats or so about the conditions for a transaction to be includet into a block? i think every pool has another behavior
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1072 2013-05-04 13:22:14 <daybyter> Jasmin68k: KillerChicken asks, why you are not in the f64 chat...
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1075 2013-05-04 13:24:13 <kauzu> do nodes check for double spends befor relaying?
1076 2013-05-04 13:24:23 <Jasmin68k> daybyter: Why would I be there?
1077 2013-05-04 13:24:55 <kauzu> if yes do they only check the blockchain or also the current rawmempool
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1079 2013-05-04 13:25:00 <eqoloco> Hello. When will the transaction appear after it has been sent?
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1081 2013-05-04 13:26:08 <kauzu> eqoloco: it will appear at the as soon it is relayed to the receiver... but it can take a time until it is valid
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1085 2013-05-04 13:28:42 <eqoloco> kauzu: how do I know when its valid?
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1093 2013-05-04 13:32:57 <kauzu> eqoloco: it has to be includet to a block
1094 2013-05-04 13:34:19 <sipa> Scrat: you don't have to specify -txindex every time, it automatically uses the value of the database when it was created; but you're allowed to specify it again afterwards, and it will complain if it doesn't match the database then)
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1099 2013-05-04 13:37:59 <gonffen> kauzu: I have seen a cdf plot or something similar for probability of inclusion in a block but they may make assumptions about the rules. It's also probably an average since it would depend on transaction volume and the like. I don't know much about that aspect of things.
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1102 2013-05-04 13:42:40 <sipa> Goonie_: seen https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2592 ?
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1111 2013-05-04 13:52:59 <sipa> kauzu: yes, nodes check for double-spends before relaying
1112 2013-05-04 13:53:17 <sipa> kauzu: they don't relay anything that conflicts with the blockchain or their memory pool
1113 2013-05-04 13:53:40 <default__> sipa, wrt -txindex - so, no need to specify it again, it is implied?
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1115 2013-05-04 13:55:17 <sipa> default__: indeed, it's just a setting that can only be set/changed when starting a database or reindexing
1116 2013-05-04 13:55:35 <sipa> but you can put for example txindex=1 in your config file to be sure you always have the index
1117 2013-05-04 13:55:47 <default__> ok, cheers
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1123 2013-05-04 14:00:09 <kauzu> is the transaction fee = vin - vout?
1124 2013-05-04 14:00:27 <ezdiy> basically
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1126 2013-05-04 14:02:32 <Goonie_> sipa: nice
1127 2013-05-04 14:02:46 <Goonie_> sipa: you did not implement the encryption part, did you?
1128 2013-05-04 14:02:55 <sipa> indeed not
1129 2013-05-04 14:02:59 <sipa> or not yet :)
1130 2013-05-04 14:04:03 <Goonie_> sipa: so for the direction Bitcoin Wallet -> bitcoin-qt you need the intermedia openssl step. The other direction works, but has the risk of leaked keys
1131 2013-05-04 14:04:21 <Goonie_> s/intermedia/intermediate/
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1135 2013-05-04 14:09:38 <sipa> Goonie_: agree
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1138 2013-05-04 14:10:10 <Goonie_> Bitcoin Wallet had quite some download surge from China this night
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1140 2013-05-04 14:11:19 <Belxjander> Goonie_: the Android App?
1141 2013-05-04 14:11:30 <Goonie_> Belxjander: yes
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1143 2013-05-04 14:13:00 <Belxjander> Goonie_: I use that on my phone... but I also have Blockchain/Mtgox/Bitstamp/btce/bitcoincentral/CoinBase and a few other wallets that are empty around the place as well
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1153 2013-05-04 14:23:02 <kauzu> how long does it take until the network forgets an unconfirmd transaction?
1154 2013-05-04 14:24:26 <jaakkos> kauzu: when miners and clients are restarted.
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1156 2013-05-04 14:27:19 <kauzu> jaakkos: but what if a node recives the transaction again after restart from another node that keeps relaying?
1157 2013-05-04 14:27:44 <jaakkos> kauzu: it does not
1158 2013-05-04 14:28:02 <jaakkos> kauzu: mempool transactions are not re-broadcast, except by senders and recipients of the transaction
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1160 2013-05-04 14:28:54 <kauzu> lets say there is a bad node that spaams out every transaction that is valid but will not be includet into a block because of too low fee or so to keep the coins unspendable
1161 2013-05-04 14:29:00 <jaakkos> kauzu: then again, this behavior enabled the fork of March 11
1162 2013-05-04 14:29:15 <jaakkos> i mean, the double spend during that fork
1163 2013-05-04 14:29:48 <kauzu> fork of March 11 ?
1164 2013-05-04 14:31:01 <sipa> http://bitcoin.org/chainfork.html
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1172 2013-05-04 14:40:46 <jaakkos> kauzu: i think your concern is valid, though, even without such attack, i would expect one has to wait for quite a long time to have enough mempools flushed to be able to spend again. perhaps the solution, if there is one coming, could take care of the attack as well.
1173 2013-05-04 14:42:38 <jaakkos> kauzu: there's been some discussion about expiration timers. if a timestamp would be embedded in the transaction and so included in txhash, it could be used to mitigate both problems. though at least one question is, what should the expiry time be.
1174 2013-05-04 14:46:18 <kauzu> jaakkos: instead of a timer you could say keep the tx in memory until there is a "double spend" with the same input transaction. then drop the one with lower txfee and propagate the one with higher txfee
1175 2013-05-04 14:46:54 <jaakkos> kauzu: but that would make 0-confirmation double spend attacks much more feasible ;)
1176 2013-05-04 14:47:21 <jaakkos> basically an attacker would have nearly 100% success rate :D
1177 2013-05-04 14:47:58 <kauzu> jaakkos: what is a 0-confirmation double spend attack? i think if there are 2 double spends with 0 confirmations only one can be included
1178 2013-05-04 14:48:22 <jaakkos> kauzu: an attacker attempts to propagate 2 transactions that spend the same input(s) to different output addresses
1179 2013-05-04 14:48:44 <jaakkos> kauzu: one of the transactions buys the attacker a service that he receives immediately, without the seller waiting for a confirmation
1180 2013-05-04 14:48:52 <jaakkos> kauzu: and the other transaction, sends the money back to the attacker
1181 2013-05-04 14:49:14 <jaakkos> then the attacker hopes that the seller sees the first one, but they who mine the next block, sees the other.
1182 2013-05-04 14:49:34 <kauzu> [16:23] <kauzu> jaakkos: instead of a timer you could say keep the tx in memory until there is a "double spend" with the same input transaction. then drop the one with lower txfee and propagate the one with higher txfee // then check for higher fee AND for same output adresses
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1185 2013-05-04 14:49:56 <jaakkos> ah, yes, that would be interesting
1186 2013-05-04 14:51:01 <kauzu> jaakkos: and isnt the seller stupid if he accepts without any confirmation?
1187 2013-05-04 14:51:26 <jaakkos> "yes" though there are many sellers who do
1188 2013-05-04 14:51:47 <jaakkos> i think bitpay accepts, and of course satoshidice
1189 2013-05-04 14:51:55 <gonffen> many would have too... are you really going to wait 10 minutes for a coffee?
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1191 2013-05-04 14:53:57 <kauzu> but what if you make a tx > 10k bytes and no fee ... there is a high chance that this transactions will never be confirmed .... i think satoshidice checks for that or not?
1192 2013-05-04 14:54:54 <jaakkos> kauzu: that's no a problem for satoshidice because the reward they send, spends the tx that you sent - if that tx doesn't happen, the reward will never happen
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1200 2013-05-04 14:58:04 <kauzu> jaakkos: but could that be a problem for other services?
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1203 2013-05-04 14:59:59 <jaakkos> i suppose. but i'm not even sure how easy it is to get such transactions to propagate. also, other services could have a deal with mining pool(s) to ensure they mine transactions sent to the service provider.
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1205 2013-05-04 15:03:04 <kauzu> jaakkos: but if you have your own mining pool you could use this "shop/ seller" behavior of 0confirmation to accept the "reward or whatever" and double spend the "bet or whatever" to your own adress
1206 2013-05-04 15:03:17 <kauzu> so i think its never a good idea to accept 0 confirmation
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1211 2013-05-04 15:05:55 <jaakkos> kauzu: you mean that the attacker has his own mining pool?
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1216 2013-05-04 15:09:43 <kauzu> yes... ok that is highly improbable but you would only need to solve one block
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1221 2013-05-04 15:14:47 <jaakkos> yeah, they would eventually succeed if they try enough times. but to put it in perspective, the services offered at 0-confirmation are inexpensive, and such a party would be making quite a bunch of money just by running the pool normally... and if they get caught of such activity, the pool would get bad reputation
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1223 2013-05-04 15:16:01 <jaakkos> but i think those who offer 0-confirmation services, should take care to monitor the network at multiple nodes to see if a double spend comes in... then the clerk would probably catch the attacker before he leaves (the cafe, eg.). i would expect bitpay to already do so, not sure though
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1225 2013-05-04 15:18:34 <gonffen> would a transaction > 10kb with no fee even relay throughout the network?
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1239 2013-05-04 15:30:35 <sipa> gonffen: not be reference clients
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1241 2013-05-04 15:31:38 <gonffen> sipa: is it reasonable to assume it would not propogate or does the network have enough diversity that it could?
1242 2013-05-04 15:32:17 <sipa> good question...
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1307 2013-05-04 16:46:33 <eqoloco> I use Bitcoin-qt. My question is, if the program synchronized once at 100%, will it continue to synchronize later several times? Or is it just one time?
1308 2013-05-04 16:48:26 <gonffen> it will synchronize whenever it is behind the network in blocks
1309 2013-05-04 16:48:59 <sipa> it is always synchronizing
1310 2013-05-04 16:49:36 <eqoloco> ok
1311 2013-05-04 16:49:36 <eqoloco> Will it be as slow to sync then when it is finished 100%? Or will it be "small" updates?
1312 2013-05-04 16:50:02 <sipa> synchronizing means downloading and verifying blocks from the network
1313 2013-05-04 16:50:14 <sipa> the initialize synchronization is doing that for all historical blocks
1314 2013-05-04 16:50:23 <sipa> after that, it's just catching up when a new block is published
1315 2013-05-04 16:50:33 <sipa> which happens once every 10 minutes on average
1316 2013-05-04 16:50:43 <eqoloco> but will it be slow as in the start?
1317 2013-05-04 16:50:47 <eqoloco> or will it be faster later?
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1319 2013-05-04 16:52:34 <sipa> the initial synchronization is only once
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1322 2013-05-04 16:56:50 <llop> first time, bitcoint-qt downloads blocks which arose during the last 3 years or so -- if you don't start it for a month, then it will next time download blocks for 1 month, so it will be much faster
1323 2013-05-04 16:57:00 <eqoloco> Should I set (pay) transfer fee if I only receive money with Bitcoin?
1324 2013-05-04 16:57:07 <eqoloco> sipa: ok
1325 2013-05-04 16:57:20 <eqoloco> llop : ok
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1327 2013-05-04 16:57:53 <kauzu> eqoloco: fee does not matter if you only receive... but why would someone only receive?
1328 2013-05-04 16:58:21 <llop> maybe he's warren buffet and wants to buy the whole supply of bitcoins!
1329 2013-05-04 16:58:52 <eqoloco> kauzu: ok. what do you mean by that "but why would someone only receive?"
1330 2013-05-04 16:58:58 <eqoloco> how should I answer on that question?
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1332 2013-05-04 16:59:09 <eqoloco> why I receive money? or what?
1333 2013-05-04 16:59:20 <llop> if you only receive, you cannot spend any bitcoins -- there doesn't seem to be much use in only receiving bitcoins, as at some point you want to spend them again
1334 2013-05-04 16:59:21 <gonffen> aren't you going to spend money as well?
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1337 2013-05-04 17:01:21 <eqoloco> llop: Can not save them as long as you want? To then send them when the rate is " as best"?
1338 2013-05-04 17:01:27 <eqoloco> gonffen: not yet
1339 2013-05-04 17:01:54 <llop> sure you can -- make sure you back up your wallet after receiving them, and encrypt it properly!
1340 2013-05-04 17:02:31 <eqoloco> llop: ok. should I back up my wallet every time I recieve new money?
1341 2013-05-04 17:02:49 <kauzu> i have a question about https://blockchain.info/tx/24d322d2f32352cf1ab747d8877c7799e1080e31a36105eb4b9ea79287a4643f ... it is about 30 blocks old but has not been included into one... what is wrong with this tx?
1342 2013-05-04 17:03:24 <llop> no, that's not needed -- in reality you only need to back it up once, and most likely even just after starting is enough -- but I'd back it up after I'm done receiving money
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1344 2013-05-04 17:04:11 <eqoloco> ok. what do you mean by "and most likely even just after starting is enough"?
1345 2013-05-04 17:05:21 <llop> eqoloco: well, it depends somewhat on how you generate your adresses to receive your money; and honestly I don't know the details of the client so exactly. In any case, if you back up after you received the money that's sufficent (but I'm quite sure that even if you back up before that it suffices).
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1349 2013-05-04 17:06:06 <eqoloco> llop: ok. I am using Bitcoin-qt
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1357 2013-05-04 17:14:06 <eqoloco> <Raccoon> eqoloco: you can backup your wallet as frequently as you wish to. It just won't be necessary since the wallet.dat file won't change until you start running out of pre-calculated addresses from your address pool.
1358 2013-05-04 17:14:06 <eqoloco> <Raccoon> it keeps replenishing them once you get low. I don't know how low 'low' is.
1359 2013-05-04 17:14:10 <eqoloco> how low is it?
1360 2013-05-04 17:14:33 <sipa> it always maintains 100 unused keys
1361 2013-05-04 17:14:41 <eqoloco> sipa: ok
1362 2013-05-04 17:14:49 <Raccoon> sipa: it replenishes 1 new key when 1 is used?
1363 2013-05-04 17:14:55 <Raccoon> Not when you're down to 20 unused?
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1365 2013-05-04 17:15:13 <Raccoon> I don't think that's right.
1366 2013-05-04 17:15:17 <sipa> it replenishes immediately
1367 2013-05-04 17:15:26 <Raccoon> and that's kind of bad.
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1369 2013-05-04 17:15:48 <hpprinter100> Hi
1370 2013-05-04 17:16:12 <hpprinter100> whats the fastest way to get bitcoind up and running on linux? downloading the blockchain is taking forever
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1372 2013-05-04 17:16:51 <jaakkos> hpprinter100: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145386.0
1373 2013-05-04 17:16:53 <sipa> connect to a fast node (-connect=IP) and set your dbcache high (-dbcache=1024 to use 1 GiB for example)
1374 2013-05-04 17:17:00 <sipa> or use bootstrap.dat
1375 2013-05-04 17:18:25 <kauzu> i have a question about https://blockchain.info/tx/24d322d2f32352cf1ab747d8877c7799e1080e31a36105eb4b9ea79287a4643f ... it is about 30 blocks old but has not been included into one... what is wrong with this tx?
1376 2013-05-04 17:19:46 <hpprinter100> jakkos can i PM you?
1377 2013-05-04 17:19:59 <lianj> kauzu: the fee is a joke
1378 2013-05-04 17:20:18 <sipa> hpprinter100: keep it here, more people can help you
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1380 2013-05-04 17:21:39 <kauzu> lianj: yes... but i think this tx has the conditions for zero fee or not
1381 2013-05-04 17:22:05 <eqoloco> if they only receive money with Bitcoin, it is possible to trace the IP address or any other information, about the person that receiving the money?
1382 2013-05-04 17:22:12 <sipa> kauzu: it doesn't
1383 2013-05-04 17:22:18 <sipa> kauzu: it has an output < 0.01 BTC
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1386 2013-05-04 17:24:31 <kauzu> sipa: has every output to be > 0.01 ... the main transaction is 0.02 ... the other is only for input=output
1387 2013-05-04 17:25:03 <sipa> kauzu: the bitcoin network doesn't know what output is change or 'real'
1388 2013-05-04 17:25:37 <kauzu> sipa: ok so every output has to be > 0.01?
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1390 2013-05-04 17:25:44 <sipa> yes
1391 2013-05-04 17:26:53 <hpprinter100> sipa my question http://pastebin.com/pzyaiV6D
1392 2013-05-04 17:27:17 <kauzu> sipa: why isn't it enouth if one vout is > 0.01? i dont see any advantage in this behaviour
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1394 2013-05-04 17:27:46 <sipa> kauzu: it'd be trivial to circumvent it
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1396 2013-05-04 17:28:17 <Goonie_> related to your discussion: I wonder why this tx has been confirmed https://blockchain.info/tx/bdac9a5c2ea20d753198d5e27be90d095d70a1e75d6aa8a2a84fa0dad9870694
1397 2013-05-04 17:28:19 <Goonie_> Its 11.5 kB in size but only got a fee of 0.0005. Should have 0.006 if I have it right.
1398 2013-05-04 17:28:55 <Goonie_> I know miners can confirm anything they want but it should not even reach them, because such tx are not relayed, right?
1399 2013-05-04 17:29:29 <lianj> Goonie_: you could send it to a miner directly and hope for the best
1400 2013-05-04 17:29:52 <sipa> hpprinter100: that looks strange, i wouldn't use those downloads
1401 2013-05-04 17:30:08 <sipa> hpprinter100: i'll check whether they are still useful for 0.8.1
1402 2013-05-04 17:30:19 <Goonie_> lianj: yeah but afaik this tx was created by Bitcoin Wallet and it does not send directly to miners unless its by coincidence
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1404 2013-05-04 17:30:26 <sipa> hpprinter100: but i'd advise you to use bootstrap.dat
1405 2013-05-04 17:30:50 <eqoloco> it is possible to trace the IP address or any other information, about the person that receiving the money?
1406 2013-05-04 17:30:59 <eqoloco> with Bitcoin
1407 2013-05-04 17:31:43 <lianj> Goonie_: still took like 8 hours to be confirmed
1408 2013-05-04 17:32:03 <kauzu> goonie_: most pools have a minimum block size... if they find a new one very fast they fill up the block with transactions as this
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1410 2013-05-04 17:33:17 <Raccoon> eqoloco: not naturally. not without tricking that person into connecting their bitoin client to yours at the time they spend those coins.
1411 2013-05-04 17:33:42 <Raccoon> eqoloco: and even then it would be possible to use plausable deniability
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1416 2013-05-04 17:36:27 <eqoloco> Raccoon: ok. If you send money, then? Can you trace the IP or any other information about the sender?
1417 2013-05-04 17:36:47 <Raccoon> eqoloco: no.
1418 2013-05-04 17:37:09 <Raccoon> eqoloco: not unless someone can narrow down the fact that your client was the first client to broadcast the transaction to the rest of the network
1419 2013-05-04 17:37:38 <Raccoon> eqoloco: eg, by isolating your client from the rest of the network with their own inbetween
1420 2013-05-04 17:38:13 <eqoloco> Raccoon: ok. but this should not be possible, right?
1421 2013-05-04 17:39:09 <kauzu> eqoloco: i'm not sure... but if you send a transaction to that adress that will not be included into a block the targed adress will brodcast this transaction... but others will not... so if you are connected you could probably trace him
1422 2013-05-04 17:39:23 <Raccoon> that's why bitcoin-qt attempts to diversify the IP blocks it links to
1423 2013-05-04 17:39:45 <Raccoon> only allowing limited number of connections from any given ISP or country
1424 2013-05-04 17:39:56 <Raccoon> it spreads out
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1426 2013-05-04 17:40:21 <eqoloco> How many "Confirmations" should there be, before the money is safe?
1427 2013-05-04 17:40:23 <Raccoon> naturally, an evil network administrator or ISP can trick you.
1428 2013-05-04 17:40:33 <Raccoon> 6 is the standard.
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1430 2013-05-04 17:40:54 <eqoloco> Raccoon: ok. if you are using VPN all the time you are using Bitcoin-qt, should it be possible then?
1431 2013-05-04 17:40:59 <Raccoon> with each confirm, it is exponentially difficult to envoke a collision fork
1432 2013-05-04 17:41:18 <sipa> eqoloco: i think these questions belong in #bitcoin
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1434 2013-05-04 17:41:36 <kauzu> eqoloco: in most cases 1 confirmation is enougth
1435 2013-05-04 17:41:39 <Raccoon> eqoloco: if your VPN is evil
1436 2013-05-04 17:42:30 <eqoloco> should I carry?
1437 2013-05-04 17:42:39 <Raccoon> you should not care.
1438 2013-05-04 17:43:01 <eqoloco> what should I do to remain anonymous?
1439 2013-05-04 17:43:15 <sydna> bitcoin-qt is designed to work well with Tor
1440 2013-05-04 17:43:23 <Raccoon> use an address only once to receive money, especially from different sources.
1441 2013-05-04 17:43:30 <eqoloco> sydna: cant find that option in the program
1442 2013-05-04 17:43:57 <sipa> eqoloco: start with -proxy=127.0.0.1:9050 if that's where tor is running
1443 2013-05-04 17:44:03 <sipa> (which is typical)
1444 2013-05-04 17:44:05 <sydna> eqoloco: under network settings there is an area for a SOCKS proxy, you can use that to connect to the for network
1445 2013-05-04 17:44:21 <sydna> or, as sipa says
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1447 2013-05-04 17:44:45 <eqoloco> ok
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1449 2013-05-04 17:45:15 <eqoloco> Raccoon "especially from different sources." what do you mean by that? should I use diffrent VPN?
1450 2013-05-04 17:45:39 <eqoloco> VPN change every week, for example?
1451 2013-05-04 17:45:43 <Raccoon> eqoloco: if Bob sends you coins, and Alice sends you coins, give Bob and Alice different bitcoin addresses.
1452 2013-05-04 17:45:49 <eqoloco> okay
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1454 2013-05-04 17:46:15 <Raccoon> If Mark wants you to send him coins, ask him for a different address to send to each time.
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1462 2013-05-04 17:48:37 <eqoloco> Raccoon: ok
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1464 2013-05-04 17:49:16 <hpprinter100> sipa the bitcoin data directory
1465 2013-05-04 17:49:18 <hpprinter100> which one is that?
1466 2013-05-04 17:49:33 <Raccoon> If you really need to segregate coins between two people, you can sell all the coins you receive to someone random. Then buy more coins from someone random, before sending them to person you want to keep separate
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1468 2013-05-04 17:50:33 <eqoloco> can anybody tell me, how much 0.23 bitcoin is worth right now?
1469 2013-05-04 17:50:44 <Raccoon> ask in #bitcoin or #bitcoin-pricewatch
1470 2013-05-04 17:51:16 <sipa> hpprinter100: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Data_directory
1471 2013-05-04 17:51:17 <sydna> you can also use services like betting websites and web wallets to gain anonymity
1472 2013-05-04 17:51:48 <sydna> if they have a central wallet, a deposit and withdraw will usually confuse the trail through the blockchain
1473 2013-05-04 17:52:03 <eqoloco> Raccoon: #bitcoin-pricewatch was almost empty
1474 2013-05-04 17:52:13 <eqoloco> sydna: ok
1475 2013-05-04 17:52:23 <eqoloco> but is it not better to use bitcoin-qt?
1476 2013-05-04 17:53:38 <hpprinter100> thanks sipa working great now
1477 2013-05-04 17:53:44 <sydna> what you use, and the way you use it is entirely dependant on the level anonymity you require
1478 2013-05-04 17:53:59 <sydna> **level of anonymity
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1480 2013-05-04 17:56:18 <eqoloco> sydna: so its not safe with bitcoin-qt, are iam not anonymous with it? if I also use VPN
1481 2013-05-04 17:56:24 <eqoloco> everytime I run the program
1482 2013-05-04 17:56:42 <sydna> a VPN does not provide anonymity
1483 2013-05-04 17:57:00 <sipa> it may
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1485 2013-05-04 17:57:37 <sydna> in most cases people are mistaken in that they are anonymous using one though.
1486 2013-05-04 17:57:48 <sipa> agree
1487 2013-05-04 17:58:17 <eqoloco> sydna: So I am not anonymous if I use bitcoin-qt?
1488 2013-05-04 17:58:24 <sydna> I didn't say that
1489 2013-05-04 17:58:36 <eqoloco> Sorry to seem paranoid, just wanna be safe. Hope you understand
1490 2013-05-04 17:59:29 <sydna> you are anonymous if you use bitcoin-qt with Tor, but only to a degree
1491 2013-05-04 17:59:31 <eqoloco> Really appreciate all the answers and abetting (helo I get)
1492 2013-05-04 17:59:45 <helo> ;)
1493 2013-05-04 18:00:31 <eqoloco> sydna: How do I use TOR with bitcoin-qt? Can only see socks settings, it's not really TOR?
1494 2013-05-04 18:00:47 <sipa> eqoloco: tor functions as a SOCKS proxy
1495 2013-05-04 18:00:49 <helo> eqoloco: the person that sent you the bitcoin may know who you are. if someone approached them saying "who owns this address?", could they provide any information?
1496 2013-05-04 18:01:01 <sydna> eqoloco: the onion router client presents itself as a local SOCKS proxy on port 9050.
1497 2013-05-04 18:01:07 <buZz> helo: depends
1498 2013-05-04 18:01:37 <sydna> eqoloco: if you have the Tor GUI (vidalia) running, you will have that local SOCKS proxy available for bitcoin-qt to connect to.
1499 2013-05-04 18:01:50 <eqoloco> helo: how do you mean? how could they know who i am?
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1501 2013-05-04 18:02:51 <eqoloco> sipa: ok. sydna: so I am running TOR (vidalia), what SOCKS proxy should I use? How do I know this? Caouse it changing all the time.
1502 2013-05-04 18:03:28 <sydna> eqoloco: nothing changes. the proxy address you use in bitcoin-qt will always be 127.0.0.1:9050
1503 2013-05-04 18:03:48 <helo> eqoloco: they don't necessarily know who you are. but most channels that people buy bitcoin through provide some additional data that may lead to you
1504 2013-05-04 18:03:48 <sipa> i think some tor distributions run at a random port
1505 2013-05-04 18:03:56 <eqoloco> sydna: ok.
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1507 2013-05-04 18:04:11 <rdponticelli> eqoloco: If privacy is that important to you, you might be better with some consultant fully aware of all the technicallities
1508 2013-05-04 18:04:14 <sydna> sipa: the Browser Bundle which includes vidalia and firefox does this
1509 2013-05-04 18:04:48 <sydna> sipa: the raw Vidalia build, and the command line `tor` present at localhost:9050
1510 2013-05-04 18:04:59 <sipa> ok
1511 2013-05-04 18:06:35 <eqoloco> sydna: So the only thing I need to do, install TOR, put on vidalia and put bitcoin-qt socks on 127.0.0.1:9050. right?
1512 2013-05-04 18:06:56 <eqoloco> helo: what do you mean?
1513 2013-05-04 18:07:18 <sydna> SOCKS on, and disable uPNP (the setting above SOCKS)
1514 2013-05-04 18:08:10 <sydna> sipa: is it a known issue that UPNP still assigns an incoming power, even when a SOCKS proxy is in use?
1515 2013-05-04 18:08:17 <sydna> *incoming port
1516 2013-05-04 18:08:20 <eqoloco> sydna: what is uPNP?
1517 2013-05-04 18:08:38 <helo> sydna: the Tor.txt doesn't mention that UPNP should be disabled to not receive incoming ipv4 connections
1518 2013-05-04 18:08:47 <helo> so i know of it ;)
1519 2013-05-04 18:08:53 <eqoloco> rdponticelli: ok
1520 2013-05-04 18:09:09 <sydna> eqoloco: UPNP is a system that automatically assigns incoming ports at the router level
1521 2013-05-04 18:09:32 <eqoloco> sydna: ok
1522 2013-05-04 18:09:49 <sydna> helo: it would be a bug though, right? it shouldn't attempt to touch my router if the SOCKS proxy is in use
1523 2013-05-04 18:09:52 <sipa> sydna: strange, if proxy is defined, listen should be disabled by default, and if listen is disabled, upnp should be too
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1525 2013-05-04 18:10:06 <helo> sipa: i've observed that behavior too :/
1526 2013-05-04 18:10:12 <sydna> sipa: let me just verify it on 0.8.1
1527 2013-05-04 18:10:23 <helo> yeah, i'm on git head, so it may not be in a release
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1529 2013-05-04 18:10:42 <sipa> this hasn't changed since 0.6 i think
1530 2013-05-04 18:11:53 <sydna> yeah, I just confirmed the behaviour then
1531 2013-05-04 18:12:15 <sydna> with a SOCKS proxy enabled, and UPNP enabled, I'm seeing 8333 being requested at the router
1532 2013-05-04 18:12:42 <sipa> if you enable upnp, it is enabled
1533 2013-05-04 18:12:53 <sipa> it's just disabled by default when not listening
1534 2013-05-04 18:13:16 <sipa> perhaps that should be changed to never running upnp when listening is disabled
1535 2013-05-04 18:13:23 <sydna> shouldn't there be a sanity check there though?
1536 2013-05-04 18:14:24 <sydna> having UPNP and a SOCKS proxy is monumentally useless either way
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1539 2013-05-04 18:14:58 <sipa> not at all
1540 2013-05-04 18:15:13 <sipa> the socks proxy only changes outgoing connection behaviour
1541 2013-05-04 18:15:22 <sipa> upnp has to do with incoming connection behaviour
1542 2013-05-04 18:15:33 <sipa> but i agree that UPnP + not listening is useless
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1545 2013-05-04 18:15:40 <sydna> but with a -proxy enabled, -listen is disabled
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1547 2013-05-04 18:15:47 <sipa> no, disabled by default
1548 2013-05-04 18:15:57 <sipa> you can still explicitly listen, or bind
1549 2013-05-04 18:16:29 <sydna> I was speaking specifically in regards to the GUI though, where you've no control over that
1550 2013-05-04 18:16:46 <sipa> oh, no idea about the GUI option interaction
1551 2013-05-04 18:16:52 <sipa> it's complicated in any case
1552 2013-05-04 18:17:06 <sipa> as you can start bitcoin-qt with -bind=IP:PORT as well
1553 2013-05-04 18:17:47 <sydna> pfft. I forgot that on OSX you can't disable the proxy once you've enabled it in the GUI.
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1583 2013-05-04 18:44:48 <gaantr2> Hello, I am using Bitcoin-j 0.9. I've noticed that after a few days that the system stops "processing" transactions. The transactions still register as being received, but the code that executes after that appears to get gummed up. For example, I run the Ping service for 3-4 days and then it needs to be rebooted or it doesnt work anymore.
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1593 2013-05-04 19:03:36 <Ferroh> Is Andreas Schildbach in this channel?
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1597 2013-05-04 19:04:28 <TD> Ferroh: he uses the nick Goonie_
1598 2013-05-04 19:04:39 <Ferroh> Thanks TD
1599 2013-05-04 19:04:41 <Goonie_> Hier, bei der Arbeit (-:
1600 2013-05-04 19:05:24 <Ferroh> I have someone asking me why his imported private key in the Android Bitcoin Wallet is not showing funds.
1601 2013-05-04 19:05:33 <Ferroh> He says that he sees the funds in multibit
1602 2013-05-04 19:05:40 <TD> imported private keys == pain
1603 2013-05-04 19:05:40 <Ferroh> and the public address shows the funds on blockchain.info
1604 2013-05-04 19:05:46 <TD> best avoided if at all possible
1605 2013-05-04 19:05:51 <TD> (at least for now)
1606 2013-05-04 19:05:51 <Ferroh> Have you had issues with this before Goonie_ ?
1607 2013-05-04 19:06:08 <Ferroh> I see.
1608 2013-05-04 19:06:24 <Goonie_> well, funds not showing up can have many causes.
1609 2013-05-04 19:06:38 <Ferroh> He says he has done a blockchain rescan.
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1611 2013-05-04 19:07:05 <Goonie_> is his key compressed or not?
1612 2013-05-04 19:07:37 <Ferroh> I don't know, I will ask.
1613 2013-05-04 19:07:47 <Ferroh> Have their been issues with compressed keys?
1614 2013-05-04 19:08:14 <Goonie_> there has been one issue with multibit, but it should be fixed
1615 2013-05-04 19:08:41 <Goonie_> anyway, if rescan doesn't help I can offer to take a look at his wallet
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1617 2013-05-04 19:08:50 <Ferroh> Right, but he says importing this key works in multibit, but importing in Bitcoin Wallet app does not work. It gets the correct public key, but the funds do not appear.
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1619 2013-05-04 19:09:09 <Goonie_> if he has funds on it, he should move them away prior to sending the backup file to me
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1621 2013-05-04 19:09:17 <Ferroh> Would it be alright if I gave him your email then?
1622 2013-05-04 19:09:23 <Goonie_> yes, its ok
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1624 2013-05-04 19:09:28 <Ferroh> thankyou :)
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1628 2013-05-04 19:19:24 <devrandom> hi TD
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1630 2013-05-04 19:20:08 <eqoloco> What kind of power does it take for Bitcoin-qt to synchronize with the network? Should not it only take bandwidth?
1631 2013-05-04 19:20:11 <TD> hi devrandom
1632 2013-05-04 19:20:25 <TD> Goonie_: maybe it should be relabeled backup/restore rather than export/import
1633 2013-05-04 19:20:34 <sipa> eqoloco: cpu and diskio as well
1634 2013-05-04 19:20:52 <eqoloco> sipa: why?
1635 2013-05-04 19:21:00 <JyZyXEL> massive disk I/O
1636 2013-05-04 19:21:02 <eqoloco> what is diskio? harddrive?
1637 2013-05-04 19:21:10 <sipa> because it needs to validate it
1638 2013-05-04 19:21:27 <sipa> and maintain a database with information about each unspent coin
1639 2013-05-04 19:21:47 <sipa> JyZyXEL: with high -dbcache, disk io is significantly reduced
1640 2013-05-04 19:22:10 <eqoloco> <m0gliE> eqoloco: it will use quite a bit of cpu power <eqoloco> m0gliE: why? <m0gliE> some say it's a bug while syncing
1641 2013-05-04 19:22:17 <eqoloco> sipa: ok
1642 2013-05-04 19:22:31 <sipa> it's not a bug
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1644 2013-05-04 19:22:45 <JyZyXEL> sipa: that is the cache size in RAM?
1645 2013-05-04 19:22:57 <sipa> in MiB, idd
1646 2013-05-04 19:23:04 <eqoloco> sipa: what is diskio?
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1648 2013-05-04 19:24:11 <sipa> eqoloco: disk input/output
1649 2013-05-04 19:24:18 <sipa> reading and writing from disk
1650 2013-05-04 19:24:18 <eqoloco> sipa: ok
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1663 2013-05-04 19:33:10 <eqoloco> sipa: ok
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1674 2013-05-04 19:49:44 <r0sc0e> is there is there a portable bitcoin client?
1675 2013-05-04 19:50:11 <buZz> normal bitcoin client is already portable
1676 2013-05-04 19:50:17 <buZz> you just need to set the datadir to .
1677 2013-05-04 19:50:17 <buZz> :P
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1741 2013-05-04 21:17:18 <x0watt> Question, how are txid's generated?
1742 2013-05-04 21:17:34 <x0watt> and is it possible for a user to generate a custom txid?
1743 2013-05-04 21:18:00 <sipa> the txid is the hash of the transaction
1744 2013-05-04 21:18:04 <BlueMatt> sha256(serialized txn)
1745 2013-05-04 21:18:18 <BlueMatt> or is it double?
1746 2013-05-04 21:18:37 <sipa> double
1747 2013-05-04 21:19:55 <x0watt> Ah, ok thanks
1748 2013-05-04 21:21:32 <sipa> BlueMatt: you happen to know how well test cases are for alternative sighash types?
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1750 2013-05-04 21:22:24 <BlueMatt> non-existent
1751 2013-05-04 21:22:26 <BlueMatt> afaik
1752 2013-05-04 21:22:31 <BlueMatt> at least in the data-driven stuff
1753 2013-05-04 21:22:42 <sipa> yeah, couldn't find anything obvious testing that either
1754 2013-05-04 21:23:08 * BlueMatt missed some obvious bug in one of them in bitcoinj that was just recently fixed, completely forgot to write test-cases for it at the time too :(
1755 2013-05-04 21:24:14 <BlueMatt> wait, no there is a tiny bit
1756 2013-05-04 21:24:20 <BlueMatt> in the tx ones I know I wrote one
1757 2013-05-04 21:25:21 <BlueMatt> yea, I think the only one tests the edge case in SIGHASH_SINGLE
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1761 2013-05-04 21:26:50 <sipa> just wrote a serializer that computes the sighash on-the-fly, instead of by copying CTransaction and then modifying some pieces in it
1762 2013-05-04 21:27:02 <sipa> but there's no way i can trust it to correct without decent unit tests
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1771 2013-05-04 21:32:15 <ardeay_> howdy
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1773 2013-05-04 21:32:17 <BlueMatt> well, at least you duplicated the SIGHASH_SINGLE bug right
1774 2013-05-04 21:32:45 <sipa> yes
1775 2013-05-04 21:33:08 <sipa> it runs on mainnet, testnet and unit tests without problems
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1779 2013-05-04 21:34:10 <BlueMatt> only bug I know of that is non-obvious, and there is at least one strange sighash in the mainnet chain by now, not sure if they all are there
1780 2013-05-04 21:35:04 <sipa> i had a bug in my code that only appeared somewhere around mainnet block 210000
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1782 2013-05-04 21:35:51 <BlueMatt> I thought the non-ALL appeared later than that, but that may be right
1783 2013-05-04 21:36:04 <eqoloco> Where can I exchange Bitcoin to Liberty Reserve?
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1785 2013-05-04 21:36:08 <BlueMatt> (I know bitcoinj broke around then for a non-ALL)
1786 2013-05-04 21:36:26 <sipa> though there are some very odd things with that processing
1787 2013-05-04 21:36:38 <sipa> in the scriptCode, the signature itself is removed before hashing (duh)
1788 2013-05-04 21:36:45 <sipa> but that's done with FindAndDelete
1789 2013-05-04 21:36:57 <sipa> so if the signature appears more than once, it is removed multiple times
1790 2013-05-04 21:36:57 <BlueMatt> yea, and only gets it if it uses the "right" PUSHDATA
1791 2013-05-04 21:37:08 <eqoloco> Where can I exchange Bitcoin to Liberty Reserve?
1792 2013-05-04 21:37:15 <sipa> eqoloco: #bitcoin-otc
1793 2013-05-04 21:37:58 <eqoloco> sipa: thanks
1794 2013-05-04 21:38:05 <sipa> seems you can do very tricky stuff with those OP_CODESEPARATORS (btw: in favor of banning those altogether)
1795 2013-05-04 21:39:39 <BlueMatt> yes, yes you can
1796 2013-05-04 21:40:33 <BlueMatt> wait, why do I not remember CODESEPARATORS being processed as a part of FindAndDelete?
1797 2013-05-04 21:41:34 <sipa> well, the signature hash is calculated on the part of the script after the last seen OP_CODESEPARATOR
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1799 2013-05-04 21:41:55 <sipa> and OP_CODESEPARATORs after that are skipped, but whatever appears after them remains
1800 2013-05-04 21:41:58 <BlueMatt> ahh, nevermind see it
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1803 2013-05-04 21:42:39 <sipa> and you can skip OP_CODESEPARATORS using ifthenelse
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1805 2013-05-04 21:43:24 <BlueMatt> yes
1806 2013-05-04 21:43:40 <BlueMatt> wait, where are codeseps removed from the script before hashing?
1807 2013-05-04 21:43:49 <sipa> inside EvalScript
1808 2013-05-04 21:43:54 <sipa> before calling CheckSig
1809 2013-05-04 21:43:59 <sipa> wait, no
1810 2013-05-04 21:44:11 <sipa> the selection of the after-last-codesep is done there
1811 2013-05-04 21:44:27 <sipa> but skipping the actually remaining codeseps is done with a findanddelete inside SignatureHash
1812 2013-05-04 21:45:00 <BlueMatt> ahh, yes thats why I didnt see it in the script parser
1813 2013-05-04 21:45:06 <BlueMatt> damn 1:1 translation...
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1823 2013-05-04 21:55:21 <EvilPete> I wonder how long till fee_bandaid drama strikes again..
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1835 2013-05-04 22:06:32 <hpprinter100> how do you remove an account using bitcoind?
1836 2013-05-04 22:08:01 <BlueMatt> dont believe you can
1837 2013-05-04 22:08:35 <hpprinter100> can i just rm the wallet.dat?
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1839 2013-05-04 22:08:44 <hpprinter100> should reset it?
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1841 2013-05-04 22:09:22 <sipa> if you don't mind losing whatever is in your wallet, sure
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1843 2013-05-04 22:09:31 <sipa> (coins, keys, address book entries, ...)
1844 2013-05-04 22:09:43 <hpprinter100> yeah it's empty just testing
1845 2013-05-04 22:09:54 <hpprinter100> also is the testnet still going?
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1847 2013-05-04 22:10:39 <BlueMatt> yea -testnet
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1856 2013-05-04 22:22:20 <hattorihanzo> Hey, does anyone have a testnet with a difficulty >10
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1858 2013-05-04 22:23:19 <sipa> testnet3 difficulty is 165, it seems
1859 2013-05-04 22:23:26 <hattorihanzo> I'm playing with setting up stratum, but i would like to test a difficulty where every share isnt a block
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1862 2013-05-04 22:24:45 <hattorihanzo> sipa: hmm i should have checked that first, still that might be higer than what I need
1863 2013-05-04 22:25:21 <Luke-Jr> hattorihanzo: after 20 minutes, it drops to diff 1 temporariyl
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1867 2013-05-04 22:27:41 <BlueMatt> devrandom: why does sanitize_path fail on -s in gitian gbuild?
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1890 2013-05-04 22:56:19 <freewil> anyone care to take a look at this testnet-box
1891 2013-05-04 22:56:33 <freewil> the difficulty is 1, yet cpu mining seems to be broken/taking too long
1892 2013-05-04 22:56:57 <freewil> https://github.com/freewil/bitcoin-testnet-box
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1899 2013-05-04 23:02:16 <BCB> freewil, what's up with your exchange
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1901 2013-05-04 23:04:36 <hpprinter100> when using the tesetnet, do i need to change my rpc calls to include the testnet flag?
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1904 2013-05-04 23:04:36 <hpprinter100> i got bitcoind working with normal bitcoin network but not with bitcoind -testnet
1905 2013-05-04 23:04:50 <freewil> in the testnet box?
1906 2013-05-04 23:06:27 <hpprinter100> i am not using a testnet box
1907 2013-05-04 23:06:27 <hpprinter100> i am using testnet3
1908 2013-05-04 23:06:27 <hpprinter100> ./bitcoind -testnet
1909 2013-05-04 23:06:27 <hpprinter100> and i got some coins from the faucet
1910 2013-05-04 23:06:27 <hpprinter100> i can see the account using cli
1911 2013-05-04 23:06:27 <hpprinter100> but not via json
1912 2013-05-04 23:06:27 <hpprinter100> i copied the bitcoin.conf from my working bitcoind
1913 2013-05-04 23:06:27 <freewil> are you connecting to localhost or over a network?
1914 2013-05-04 23:06:27 <hpprinter100> localhost
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1916 2013-05-04 23:06:27 <hpprinter100> was working fine with bitcoind
1917 2013-05-04 23:06:34 <hpprinter100> real netowrk
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1919 2013-05-04 23:09:16 <freewil> are you getting some sort of erro?
1920 2013-05-04 23:09:16 <freewil> are you authenticating properly?
1921 2013-05-04 23:11:41 <hpprinter100> i am using the hell world code from https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/PHP_developer_intro
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1925 2013-05-04 23:18:37 <hpprinter100> the auth is correct as i cp bitcoin.conf testnet3 . so it's identical :S
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1933 2013-05-04 23:23:03 <hattorihanzo> hpprinter100: is your json rpc port correct?
1934 2013-05-04 23:23:03 <hattorihanzo> testnet is 18332
1935 2013-05-04 23:23:03 <hpprinter100> thanks :D
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1943 2013-05-04 23:29:42 <Guest40625> hey guys, using the rpc commands, how can I tell when there's been a reorg, or a transaction I've broadcast has since become invalid?
1944 2013-05-04 23:32:02 <Luke-Jr> gettransaction
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1950 2013-05-04 23:38:02 <Guest40625> hmmm, so I have to monitor each transaction myself to see if the number of confirmations has gone down to zero etc
1951 2013-05-04 23:38:05 <Guest40625> ?
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1953 2013-05-04 23:39:20 <CodeShark> as opposed to being able to subscribe to alerts? or?
1954 2013-05-04 23:40:20 <CodeShark> you can check for reorgs by querying for block hashes at particular heights
1955 2013-05-04 23:40:32 <Guest40625> well, i was thinking to use listsinceblock to keep track of new transactions appearing and wondered if it would tell me about transactions which had been reorged down to zero confirmations
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1958 2013-05-04 23:41:09 <Guest74636> looks like 0.8.2 should be out soon?
1959 2013-05-04 23:41:14 <Guest74636> nice work everyone
1960 2013-05-04 23:41:51 <CodeShark> Guest40625: if you keep track of blocks containing your transactions you can later query for those specific blocks and see if they are still part of the main chain
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1962 2013-05-04 23:42:37 <Guest40625> ok thanks
1963 2013-05-04 23:42:49 <Guest40625> the other question I was wondering about is what gettransaction will tell me about transactions which have become invalid
1964 2013-05-04 23:43:35 <sipa> confirmations = 0
1965 2013-05-04 23:43:36 <Guest40625> so if i broadcast a transaction with one client and then somehow double spend one of the inputs with another client and the second tx makes it into the blockchain, then the first is invalid
1966 2013-05-04 23:44:06 <sipa> it will likely be in your wallet, but with confirmations = 0
1967 2013-05-04 23:44:16 <Guest40625> so I have to occasionally check wallet txns with 0 confirmations for validity by trying to send them again?
1968 2013-05-04 23:44:19 <sipa> there's no way to actually tell that it conflicts with the blockchain
1969 2013-05-04 23:44:22 <sipa> for now
1970 2013-05-04 23:44:34 <sipa> (which is a flaw)
1971 2013-05-04 23:44:36 <Guest40625> hmmm
1972 2013-05-04 23:44:38 <Guest40625> ty
1973 2013-05-04 23:44:53 <CodeShark> well, there is a way to tell...but it requires maintaining your own transaction database :)
1974 2013-05-04 23:45:22 <CodeShark> the bitcoind wallet implementation doesn't track dependencies
1975 2013-05-04 23:46:37 <CodeShark> A depends on B which depends on C which depends on D. suddenly, D is invalidated. the wallet doesn't know whether A having zero confirmations is because a dependency is invalid or because it simply hasn't made it into a block
1976 2013-05-04 23:48:40 <CodeShark> the verification engine could tell that it either claims invalid txouts or spent txouts, though
1977 2013-05-04 23:50:26 <CodeShark> however, the verification engine cannot generally tell whether the txouts it's claiming are invalid, spent by another transaction, or spent by the same transaction unless it keeps more indices
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1979 2013-05-04 23:51:30 <CodeShark> and stores a structure of spent txouts
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1981 2013-05-04 23:52:12 <Guest40625> couldn't you use getrawtransaction then sendrawtransaction to try to resend
1982 2013-05-04 23:52:16 <Guest40625> that bypasses the wallet
1983 2013-05-04 23:52:30 <Guest40625> so will either tell you it got broadcast or is invalid
1984 2013-05-04 23:52:43 <Guest40625> ?
1985 2013-05-04 23:52:43 <CodeShark> the wallet won't allow you to sign a new transaction claiming the same outputs
1986 2013-05-04 23:52:54 <CodeShark> so you'd have to manually delete the transaction from the wallet, I think
1987 2013-05-04 23:53:30 <CodeShark> that would be another nice feature for the wallet to have - to be able to "cancel" transactions which aren't confirming
1988 2013-05-04 23:54:19 <Guest40625> you don't need to sign it
1989 2013-05-04 23:54:23 <Guest40625> it's already signed
1990 2013-05-04 23:54:36 <CodeShark> the wallet already tries to resend it
1991 2013-05-04 23:54:55 <Guest40625> yes but doesn't give you any feedback as to why it's not working
1992 2013-05-04 23:55:15 <CodeShark> correct - as sipa said, it's a flaw
1993 2013-05-04 23:56:39 <CodeShark> if a transaction has 0 confirmations and the validation engine notes that it claims txouts that are not in its unspent txout set, the wallet could mark the transaction as invalid
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1997 2013-05-04 23:57:31 <CodeShark> but it doesn't currently do that :)
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2000 2013-05-04 23:58:07 <EvilPete> fee_bandaid effects will show up as "ERROR: CTxMemPool::accept() : nonstandard transaction type", no? and its probably SD spam?
2001 2013-05-04 23:58:08 <Guest40625> yes, we've established that. I was looking for ways around it
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2004 2013-05-04 23:59:29 <CodeShark> sipa: how hard would it be to add an interface to the utxo structure that the wallet could query?