1 2013-05-11 00:00:53 Michail1_ is now known as Michail1
2 2013-05-11 00:01:27 <sipa> ;;blocks
3 2013-05-11 00:01:28 <gribble> 235550
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6 2013-05-11 00:02:09 <tumak> gmaxwell: it's a trap
7 2013-05-11 00:02:14 <tumak> knapsack is always kinda bruteforce
8 2013-05-11 00:02:32 <gmaxwell> oh god you're not one of these nuts that calls everything brute force are you?
9 2013-05-11 00:02:37 <gmaxwell> :P
10 2013-05-11 00:03:23 <cjd> tumak: anyway my understanding is crypto prngs and stistical prngs are almost exclusive by definition
11 2013-05-11 00:03:35 <cjd> and I'm only interested in crypto
12 2013-05-11 00:03:46 <edcba> do we really need a knapsack solver ? since it's more like satisfying A+B+C > D > E
13 2013-05-11 00:03:59 <edcba> wait i got something wrong i think
14 2013-05-11 00:04:04 <edcba> A+B+C < D < E
15 2013-05-11 00:04:32 <edcba> ie i need to get a sum between [D;E] since leftover is redirected to me
16 2013-05-11 00:04:34 <gmaxwell> it's technically a subset sum solver, but its a similar problem.
17 2013-05-11 00:04:43 <tumak> gmaxwell: only anything running exponential time. 2^40 in this case? naive subset sum problem solvers are like that.
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19 2013-05-11 00:05:49 <gmaxwell> edcba: we don't need the best solution either, we use a randomized algorithim that tries to minimize the amount of change (which is often not the right objective, but it does much better than totally naieve coin selection which will often make ginormous transactions)
20 2013-05-11 00:05:56 <edcba> proof of work should have used knapsack maybe the code would be less complex :p
21 2013-05-11 00:06:45 <tumak> edcba: it could be interesting indeed, especially if there is potential for memory-bound PoW
22 2013-05-11 00:06:57 <tumak> (takes a lot of memory to do work, small memory to verify)
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27 2013-05-11 00:08:10 <CodeShark> litecoin would have been cool if that was what it accomplished :)
28 2013-05-11 00:08:33 <tumak> yeah, people praising scrypt coins just fail at crypto
29 2013-05-11 00:09:36 <ezdiy> tumak: i think it was gmaxwell who suggested there are no memory-bound trapdoor functions in this universe
30 2013-05-11 00:09:46 <ezdiy> compute or die :(
31 2013-05-11 00:09:57 <cjd> that seems to be the reality
32 2013-05-11 00:10:11 <edcba> ok solution is simple then, change universe
33 2013-05-11 00:10:20 <cjd> still you could get a bit smarter than scrypt
34 2013-05-11 00:10:28 <sipa> "when the model doesn't fit the data, change the data"
35 2013-05-11 00:10:35 <cjd> \o/
36 2013-05-11 00:11:06 <cjd> problem solved, now we can work on the scientific integrity problem
37 2013-05-11 00:11:26 <sipa> but i agree, scrypt could perfectly have been use to succesfully favor CPU mining over GPU/FPGA mining (though ASICs are kind of impossible... at som epoint it becomes economically viable to develop a specialized chip for whatever you choose as PoW)
38 2013-05-11 00:11:30 <gmaxwell> well, in an absolute senseâ no. But you can perhaps do interesting things. But who knowsâ and you might fault litecoin advocates for failing to do a proper analysis of their POW function <s>gpu proof</s>asic proof's ness ... they're laughing on a pile of money right now. :P
39 2013-05-11 00:12:01 <sipa> and even beyod that, i'm not convinced that is a useful property for a PoW function (it could very well favor botnets too)
40 2013-05-11 00:12:17 <edcba> yeah botnets \o/
41 2013-05-11 00:12:27 <sipa> but scrypt as such, to reach the goal litecoin had, is very appropriate
42 2013-05-11 00:12:30 <ezdiy> either it's intop tick, or need to keep a lot of data around
43 2013-05-11 00:12:31 <sipa> _when used correctly_
44 2013-05-11 00:12:39 <CodeShark> gmaxwell: I try to differentiate between intellectually interesting ideas and financially lucrative ones - they aren't always the same...and in fact, often are at odds :p
45 2013-05-11 00:13:00 <gmaxwell> CodeShark: indeed, generally decenteralized systems don't do well at the latter...
46 2013-05-11 00:13:00 <ezdiy> awesome about holy grail memory PoW would be no botnets, since you cant kinda run your bot when you chew through 32GB all the time
47 2013-05-11 00:13:28 <gmaxwell> ezdiy: I have some affection for amiller's idea of memory hardness based on utxo queries.
48 2013-05-11 00:13:47 <gmaxwell> thats a pro-decenteralization memory-hard pow. :)
49 2013-05-11 00:14:00 <ezdiy> gmaxwell: yeah, that looked like a good start
50 2013-05-11 00:14:07 <ezdiy> but you need humongous blockchain for that first
51 2013-05-11 00:14:12 <ezdiy> chicken-and-egg
52 2013-05-11 00:14:12 <ezdiy> :)
53 2013-05-11 00:14:15 <gmaxwell> though I suspect that in practice it would be quite hard to make it impossible to overspecialize to uselessness
54 2013-05-11 00:14:36 <cjd> that's kind of interesting
55 2013-05-11 00:14:55 <tumak> isn't that kinda proof of storage?
56 2013-05-11 00:15:09 <edcba> hmm
57 2013-05-11 00:15:14 <tumak> (ie proof you actually know a lot of particular data)
58 2013-05-11 00:15:26 <CodeShark> memory = storage. the only question is how fast it is for certain tasks
59 2013-05-11 00:15:26 <edcba> like the bitcoin chain ?
60 2013-05-11 00:16:10 <edcba> using bitcoin own data structures could be interesting
61 2013-05-11 00:16:39 <ezdiy> yeah, but those would need to be sufficiently hard, and of not-up-my-sleeve quality
62 2013-05-11 00:16:52 <edcba> knapsack problem over last x blocks
63 2013-05-11 00:17:29 <CodeShark> would be nice if PoW solved something useful for the network. optimal compression, pruning, or something :)
64 2013-05-11 00:18:00 <ezdiy> yeah, but i suspect the network is several magnitudes too small for that
65 2013-05-11 00:18:17 <ezdiy> so you need to augment it with some artificial, mostly useless pow :(
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67 2013-05-11 00:19:40 <gmaxwell> my alt ideas page has a bunch of different pow ideas, https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/User:Gmaxwell/alt_ideas
68 2013-05-11 00:19:53 <gmaxwell> kinda funny though because I think pow variations are really the least interesting ideas.
69 2013-05-11 00:19:55 <edcba> compression of its own chain as pow :/
70 2013-05-11 00:20:11 <gmaxwell> Ultimately all POW in a consensus system reduces to energy, you can just move around constant factors.
71 2013-05-11 00:20:49 <ezdiy> gmaxwell: yeah, the utxo is the only fairly original one
72 2013-05-11 00:21:10 <gmaxwell> ezdiy: well the most original pow idea there is the timelock encryption one.
73 2013-05-11 00:21:26 <ezdiy> but i'm skeptical of the 'too easy', 'too offloadable to gpu/asic unless you have tens-hundreds gb of data to sift through'
74 2013-05-11 00:21:51 <ezdiy> gmaxwell: inb4 asics to crack ECDLP
75 2013-05-11 00:22:18 <cjd> H(header||nonce||H(utxo_lookup(nonce)) <-- non-random
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77 2013-05-11 00:22:47 <gmaxwell> ezdiy: thats not the point there. no pow is non-offloadable to specialized hardware at the limit.
78 2013-05-11 00:23:12 <gmaxwell> cjd: I think that was supposted to be H(utxo_lookup(H(header||nonce)) in fact.
79 2013-05-11 00:23:21 <ezdiy> i think that general purpose PCs will always excel at *combined* cpu/memory tasks
80 2013-05-11 00:23:25 <cjd> that's more interesting
81 2013-05-11 00:23:29 <ezdiy> i mean, whole operating systems are designed for that purpose
82 2013-05-11 00:23:35 <gmaxwell> ezdiy: thats not the point there. no pow is non-offloadable to specialized hardware at the limit.
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84 2013-05-11 00:23:48 <ezdiy> to replicate that at asic level, you'll need to redo all the virtual memory stuff
85 2013-05-11 00:23:57 <edcba> moving information is the limiting factor usually :)
86 2013-05-11 00:23:58 <gmaxwell> the point of the timelock is that it produces a useful side effect that can be accomplished basically no other way.
87 2013-05-11 00:24:08 <ezdiy> gmaxwell: not arguing that
88 2013-05-11 00:24:15 <amiller_> the *energy* of the proof of work probably has to be wasted, but the *power* and infrastructure investment it encourages is how it can be designed to benefit the network
89 2013-05-11 00:24:38 <gmaxwell> ezdiy: all that is trivial to replicate... much of the cost of computer hardware is all the IO and perpherial and such.
90 2013-05-11 00:24:46 <cjd> Abandoned UTXO should be forgotten and become unspendable. <-- ahh so I'm not the first one, parhaps I'm the first one to suggest that one client can implement this and push the work off on others
91 2013-05-11 00:25:05 <gmaxwell> amiller_: I was about to tell you "thats what amiller keeps saying, but I'm meh on that" But I guess I can skip the first half of that statement. :P
92 2013-05-11 00:25:21 <edcba> what is abandoned utxo ?
93 2013-05-11 00:25:22 <ezdiy> gmaxwell: indeed. pc-friendly pow utilizes *most* of the PC cost
94 2013-05-11 00:25:28 <amiller_> lets talk about utxo aging.
95 2013-05-11 00:25:30 <ezdiy> gmaxwell: so the gap between asic and pc wouldn't be that huge
96 2013-05-11 00:25:33 <amiller_> zooko really wants to talk about this in particular
97 2013-05-11 00:25:39 <gmaxwell> ezdiy: except there is just a lot that is really hard to get into a pow.
98 2013-05-11 00:25:46 <amiller_> because it solves a diminishing money supply problem in addition to keeping utxo cleaner
99 2013-05-11 00:25:54 <amiller_> don't call it demurrage, call it parking meter fee
100 2013-05-11 00:25:58 <gmaxwell> amiller_: the diminishing money supply non-problem?
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102 2013-05-11 00:26:15 <amiller_> it's not so much that it's definitely diminishing but that it becomes more uncertain
103 2013-05-11 00:26:26 <gmaxwell> Okay then say that.
104 2013-05-11 00:26:38 <gmaxwell> There are idiots who really think the diminishing is a problem, don't let me confuse you with them.
105 2013-05-11 00:26:46 <gmaxwell> I agree that the uncertanty is potentially problematic.
106 2013-05-11 00:26:49 <edcba> circular bitcoin chain !
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108 2013-05-11 00:27:06 <tumak> ourbouros eating its own tail
109 2013-05-11 00:27:11 <tumak> isnt that the freicon dudes? :)
110 2013-05-11 00:27:26 <gmaxwell> amiller_: in particular you can solve uncertanty with making old utxo unspendable but that doesn't 'solve' supply.
111 2013-05-11 00:27:41 <amiller_> so this isn't demurrage it's about paying a fee for the bytes you take up in the utxo
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113 2013-05-11 00:28:10 <gmaxwell> amiller_: and as has been said before, I think it's too big of an economic change to be anything but a non-starter in bitcoin. Perhaps we'll get an ECDSA break that lets us make old utxo unspendable.
114 2013-05-11 00:28:13 <edcba> just recycle oldest tx to next coinbase
115 2013-05-11 00:28:26 <gmaxwell> edcba: you theif!
116 2013-05-11 00:28:36 <amiller_> the way to implement this efficiently is that when you spend your coins, your spendable balance gets subtracted according to how long it's been there
117 2013-05-11 00:28:47 <cjd> amiller_: I had an idea where *my* client forgets about utxos where "amount/age > K", I can easily make a bitcoin client which does this. When it forgets a utxo it just adds the amount of that utxo to uint64_t amount_of_dust and drops any loose transaction trying to pay it.
118 2013-05-11 00:28:48 <tumak> gmaxwell: social democracy!
119 2013-05-11 00:28:50 <amiller_> and if that amount would drop to zero in the next block then it can get deleted/removed
120 2013-05-11 00:29:22 <amiller_> miners can take a little bit of the fee from everyone's parking meter fee with every block, so there's no sudden "delete the whole balance" event for any utxo
121 2013-05-11 00:29:43 <gmaxwell> amiller_: except you're paying the wrong parties.
122 2013-05-11 00:29:47 <amiller_> and the utxo set would store a little priority queue where every utxo is sorted according to when it should be removed next
123 2013-05-11 00:29:48 <ezdiy> cjd: it's still kinda variable demurrage. old oligopolist would keep on mining just to keep their wealth. same as with inflating fiat.
124 2013-05-11 00:29:56 <gmaxwell> The storage of validation data is not something that is special for miners.
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127 2013-05-11 00:30:28 <cjd> ezdiy: it solves my problem of big utxo set :)
128 2013-05-11 00:30:35 <amiller_> gmaxwell, well this would be better if it were combined with the utxo merkle thing
129 2013-05-11 00:30:49 <amiller_> in which case the miners doing the prove-they-have-the-utxo-set-proof would be the ones storing it and everyone else just consumes proofs
130 2013-05-11 00:30:53 <ezdiy> amiller_: what about the not-up-my-sleeve problem when selecting "random" utxos to prove when there is no sufficient query traffic.
131 2013-05-11 00:30:54 <amiller_> but it's a separate thing
132 2013-05-11 00:31:04 <gmaxwell> amiller_: and as has been said before, I think it's too big of an economic change to be anything but a non-starter in bitcoin. Perhaps we'll get an ECDSA break that lets us make old utxo unspendable... but who knows.
133 2013-05-11 00:31:09 <ezdiy> amiller_: what i'm thinking about you just select nonces you "like" (have it cached in db)
134 2013-05-11 00:31:22 <amiller_> ezdiy, the solution is to not just select one but selet a chain
135 2013-05-11 00:31:37 <amiller_> you have to finish the first one to learn what your index is for the last, and you don't learn if your nonce is a winner until you finish all k
136 2013-05-11 00:31:40 <gmaxwell> And I note that because of the economic signficiance of taking away people's stashed coins, ... this really doesn't belong in #bitcoin-development .. #bitcoin-wizards was made for bluesky stuff like this...
137 2013-05-11 00:31:40 <ezdiy> hm, thats indeed a bit of remedy
138 2013-05-11 00:31:54 <cjd> amiller_: I think if you have to bcast merkle branches for each tx in a block, you swap storage for bandwidth which is not a very good deal
139 2013-05-11 00:32:03 <ezdiy> but still there will be good chains and bad chains
140 2013-05-11 00:32:35 <amiller_> cjd yeah maybe
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142 2013-05-11 00:33:34 <cjd> I like the idea of my client forgetting about dust because it says "you have a right to these coins but I have a right to forget about them"
143 2013-05-11 00:33:46 <edcba> what ?
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145 2013-05-11 00:34:00 <ezdiy> if there would be a way to determine how easy or hard the chain is to mine ...
146 2013-05-11 00:34:07 <ezdiy> O(1) of course
147 2013-05-11 00:34:16 <edcba> cjd: and if everyone does that what happens ?
148 2013-05-11 00:34:20 <ezdiy> maybe even stochastic would be enough
149 2013-05-11 00:34:29 <cjd> dust becomes stealable
150 2013-05-11 00:35:02 <edcba> btw aren't block limitations prevent someone to spend his dust money fortune ?
151 2013-05-11 00:35:19 <cjd> my client would forget about dust after a while but it would remember the total amount of dust which it has forgotten
152 2013-05-11 00:35:24 <tumak> edcba: in theory dust can be donated to charity
153 2013-05-11 00:35:45 <cjd> so if you generate a dust thief block, my code would accept it
154 2013-05-11 00:35:51 <tumak> edcba: 1) collect private keys of dust addresses from donors 2) convince one miner to mine mega-tx
155 2013-05-11 00:35:59 <gmaxwell> cjd: and then consensus fails
156 2013-05-11 00:36:08 <gmaxwell> cjd: might as well just explicitly steal the dust.
157 2013-05-11 00:36:13 <cjd> for dust
158 2013-05-11 00:36:21 <cjd> I'm not a thief :)
159 2013-05-11 00:36:23 <gmaxwell> cjd: no, consensus is over blocks.
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161 2013-05-11 00:37:10 <gmaxwell> cjd: you'll accept a block the network (hopefully) will reject, unless the whole network has the same pro dust stealing rule as you... and if it does, might as well just go and autosteal
162 2013-05-11 00:37:21 <gmaxwell> (so as to reduce the theory and practice gap)
163 2013-05-11 00:37:37 <tumak> cjd: why not just post dust privkeys on forum?
164 2013-05-11 00:37:45 <tumak> whomever wants it, take it
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166 2013-05-11 00:37:48 <edcba> shouldn't we favor tx having less outputs than inputs ?
167 2013-05-11 00:38:10 <cjd> tumak: because a lot of it is paid to fake pubkeys which are used to store wikleaks/cp/etc
168 2013-05-11 00:38:19 <ezdiy> edcba: old topic
169 2013-05-11 00:38:23 <edcba> oh
170 2013-05-11 00:38:27 <edcba> didn't know
171 2013-05-11 00:38:27 <ezdiy> gmaxwell uttered something along the lines of "politics"
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173 2013-05-11 00:38:46 <cjd> gmaxwell: but it's funny :)
174 2013-05-11 00:39:01 <edcba> don't see how it's politicized issue
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177 2013-05-11 00:40:25 <weex> in the case that two blocks are found at the same time, one of the blocks hashes will be lower(i.e. more work would be required to produce another), why doesn't the network use that information?
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180 2013-05-11 00:41:02 <ezdiy> edcba: basically txprio or txfee = tx_size * txin_n / txout_n
181 2013-05-11 00:41:03 <cjd> weex: because of evil tricks w/ withholding a block so you can mine on it privately because you know it's likely to win
182 2013-05-11 00:41:09 <ezdiy> or some less linear variation of thereof
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184 2013-05-11 00:41:40 <weex> cjd: good point
185 2013-05-11 00:41:53 <gmaxwell> even ignoring malice, that slows convergence.
186 2013-05-11 00:41:54 <ezdiy> err, txout_n / txin_n
187 2013-05-11 00:42:14 <cjd> the current impl favors finding a block and bcasting it to as many nodes as possible as fast as possible
188 2013-05-11 00:42:21 <cjd> which is actually really what we want
189 2013-05-11 00:42:26 <weex> gmaxwell: i'd think if it weren't for the malice, everyone would jump on the lower block immediately
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193 2013-05-11 00:43:00 <gmaxwell> weex: you actually have to have the lower block. Transmission isnt instantaneous.
194 2013-05-11 00:43:03 <edcba> cjd: now about the fee carrying tx relaying... :)
195 2013-05-11 00:43:10 <ezdiy> weex: yeah, sometimes the orphans are suspiciously spaced far apart
196 2013-05-11 00:43:32 <gmaxwell> This means for some time people will be trying to extend the first, and some people will be trying to extend the second.
197 2013-05-11 00:43:40 <ezdiy> if timestamps in block are to be trusted, since its just median value of your neighbouring peers
198 2013-05-11 00:44:11 <cjd> petertodd wrote an excellent email about timestamps
199 2013-05-11 00:45:15 <weex> often times when you read about the block chain people say the network prefers the chain that required the most work so this just means it goes off the difficulty, not the actual hashes involved
200 2013-05-11 00:45:38 <edcba> cjd: but you didn't get it yet since it is dated from 2019 ?
201 2013-05-11 00:46:03 <HaltingState> gmaxwell, this alt coin thing is getting out of hand; there will 500 alt coins by next month
202 2013-05-11 00:46:18 <cjd> http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.bitcoin.devel/2153
203 2013-05-11 00:46:20 <weex> have to remember consensus is more important than amount of work
204 2013-05-11 00:46:37 <weex> HaltingState: have you seen rumors of the altcoin generator website?
205 2013-05-11 00:46:40 <HaltingState> someone anounced netcoin and then "Some idiot stole our name and released a scam ..." lol and someone released an altcoin before they could
206 2013-05-11 00:46:48 <HaltingState> weex, omfg gimme it
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208 2013-05-11 00:47:01 <cjd> lol
209 2013-05-11 00:47:02 <ezdiy> cjd: neat, didnt realize bitcoind will accept any timestamp in future
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213 2013-05-11 00:47:17 <weex> HaltingState: just rumors, i figure it'll blow over like so many altcoins
214 2013-05-11 00:47:22 <cjd> ezdiy: up to 2 hours into the future
215 2013-05-11 00:47:36 <cjd> and as far back as the median of the last 11 blocks into the past
216 2013-05-11 00:47:41 <cjd> highly maluble
217 2013-05-11 00:47:49 <cjd> which makes it less bittle
218 2013-05-11 00:47:57 <cjd> a lesson learned the hard way by the solidcoin guys
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220 2013-05-11 00:50:32 <edcba> i really think satoshi used a too much large interval for those timestamps...
221 2013-05-11 00:50:43 <edcba> i guess it was to ease the initial dev
222 2013-05-11 00:50:54 <HaltingState> gmaxwell, this is stupid; investors are buying up ripples; they are idiots; they expect ripple to go up and there are like 100 trillion of them and they have not been dumped on market yet
223 2013-05-11 00:50:56 <gmaxwell> huh?
224 2013-05-11 00:51:09 <cjd> haha
225 2013-05-11 00:51:20 <gmaxwell> the huh was directed at edcba
226 2013-05-11 00:51:35 <gmaxwell> HaltingState: yea, I boggle. I'm quite happy with the ~1BTC I got selling my freebie ripple
227 2013-05-11 00:51:49 <gmaxwell> "Easiest $30 ever"
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229 2013-05-11 00:52:07 <cjd> edcba: everyone who has ever touched those numbers soon died in a fiery pit of hax
230 2013-05-11 00:52:12 <HaltingState> i bought a bitcoin IOU with my ripples and i lost value because XRP apprecated because of stupid investors who think its going to be the next feather coin
231 2013-05-11 00:52:20 <gmaxwell> HaltingState: but I don't know that its safe to assume its investors doing it, quite possibly the ripple folks buying people to try out the system.
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233 2013-05-11 00:52:51 <gmaxwell> cjd: hah exactly.
234 2013-05-11 00:53:16 <cjd> idk where satoshi got them but that's another case of apparent divine intervention
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237 2013-05-11 00:53:30 <cjd> I've learned to stop questioning them
238 2013-05-11 00:53:39 <tumak> i cant quite figure out whats the deal with ripple
239 2013-05-11 00:53:56 <tumak> i mean, there are some really good devs behind it (like justmoon, author of bitcoinjs)
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241 2013-05-11 00:54:12 <tumak> shall i just assume this is moral integrity for sale?
242 2013-05-11 00:54:25 <cjd> it's like partially a colorcoin scheme and partially an altcoin scam
243 2013-05-11 00:54:29 <cjd> colorcoins are cool
244 2013-05-11 00:54:30 <gmaxwell> There is nothing immoral about making an likely to be illfated system.
245 2013-05-11 00:55:03 <cjd> well.. pump-n-dump schemes (if intentional) are federal pen illegal
246 2013-05-11 00:55:04 <HaltingState> tumak, they are trying to solve intractable problems and its by the mtgox guys so not sure if its going to work; expecially with security
247 2013-05-11 00:55:07 <tumak> well, at least scamcoiners openly admit its just for the fun of pump and dump
248 2013-05-11 00:55:11 <HaltingState> and he only gave me 10k ripples and i was insulted
249 2013-05-11 00:55:18 <tumak> ripple pretends its not the case
250 2013-05-11 00:55:18 <gmaxwell> I think it's somewhat regrettable that "scam" has taken off as a moniker for the altcoin stuff... because a bunch of it is not a scam its just ... a bad idea.
251 2013-05-11 00:55:42 <weex> the new ripple seems to be based on http://www.links.org/files/distributed-currency.pdf
252 2013-05-11 00:55:43 <gmaxwell> (not to say that some of it isn't just for the purpose of making a quick buck)
253 2013-05-11 00:55:45 <cjd> that's valid
254 2013-05-11 00:55:47 <weex> from Ben Laurie
255 2013-05-11 00:55:59 <cjd> I know for a fact that NameCoin was not developed as a scam
256 2013-05-11 00:56:07 <gmaxwell> weex: not at all.
257 2013-05-11 00:56:07 <HaltingState> weex, any more links?
258 2013-05-11 00:56:07 <cjd> but it's hard to guage intent in these cases
259 2013-05-11 00:56:25 <weex> gmaxwell: i couldn't help thinking about ripple when reading it
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261 2013-05-11 00:56:39 <tumak> cjd: namecoin could be resurrected anytime
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263 2013-05-11 00:56:48 <cjd> namecoin is dead?
264 2013-05-11 00:56:51 <edcba> has someone looked at timestamps vs real time diffs ?
265 2013-05-11 00:57:04 <gmaxwell> weex: ripple is based on ripple (the thing which they bought the name of), but afaik their distributed system stuff is just random whatever pulled out of jed's rear end and has no rigorous support even at the level of the bitcoin.pdf whitepaper.
266 2013-05-11 00:57:33 <weex> gmaxwell: read that link and it sounds a lot like what came out of jed's rear end
267 2013-05-11 00:57:37 <gmaxwell> but that doesn't make it a scam.
268 2013-05-11 00:57:45 <tumak> cjd: give me $200k and i'll happily give it to ICANN
269 2013-05-11 00:57:54 <tumak> to deleg namecoin zone
270 2013-05-11 00:58:06 <tumak> thats all what it takes for that chain to succeed
271 2013-05-11 00:58:15 <cjd> tumak: they won't give it to you unless you can kill a domain
272 2013-05-11 00:58:22 <cjd> which namecoin can't really do
273 2013-05-11 00:58:23 <gmaxwell> weex: No, I don't agree that it does. And I read that paper and wrote up a lenghty criticism of it that Ben never even bothered a receipt acknowledgment of...
274 2013-05-11 00:58:35 <weex> fair enough
275 2013-05-11 00:58:36 <gmaxwell> tumak: uh takes more than that, sadly.
276 2013-05-11 00:58:40 <tumak> cjd: yeah :(
277 2013-05-11 00:58:49 <cjd> anyway any blockchain currency causes a certain social harm by moving money from the hands of late adopters to the hands of early adopters so it's bad to create them unless there is very good cause.
278 2013-05-11 00:59:00 <tumak> had a talk with iana folk in #networker
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280 2013-05-11 00:59:16 <tumak> crux of problem is department of commerce and us govt not wanting to lose complete control to censor dns :(
281 2013-05-11 00:59:24 <gmaxwell> tumak: like, you need to solve SPV validation, for example. having to run a full namecoin node just to securely query is bogus
282 2013-05-11 00:59:24 <cjd> yeah
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284 2013-05-11 00:59:34 <cjd> real solution to dns problems is not that difficult
285 2013-05-11 00:59:43 <tumak> gmaxwell: the idea is bootstrap
286 2013-05-11 00:59:46 <gmaxwell> (good thing I figured out how to solve that years ago)
287 2013-05-11 00:59:47 <cjd> 5kUSD ish level of difficulty :)
288 2013-05-11 00:59:58 <tumak> gmaxwell: think politics for a while, naturally that deleg would be taken down for child porn or whatever
289 2013-05-11 01:00:09 <tumak> but by then, people will use namecoin client on their own
290 2013-05-11 01:00:13 <gmaxwell> tumak: you filter the delegation of course.
291 2013-05-11 01:00:15 <tumak> just to oppose the evil govt which stole their domain
292 2013-05-11 01:00:28 <gmaxwell> tumak: except they won't be able to, because installing it will consume 50gigabytes and growing.
293 2013-05-11 01:00:30 <tumak> i doubt iana guys would do that
294 2013-05-11 01:00:40 <tumak> theyre in nice position
295 2013-05-11 01:00:49 <tumak> 'we just direct the ns record at you, what happens next is icann stuff'
296 2013-05-11 01:00:50 <gmaxwell> tumak: uh, no you actually _want_ to filter the delegation in order to keep it existing.
297 2013-05-11 01:01:02 <tumak> sure, technically it's possible
298 2013-05-11 01:01:04 <tumak> at icann level
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300 2013-05-11 01:01:24 <cjd> https://ezcrypt.it/ck5n#gYdfOeREHwzD92H0WDry4Z5e <-- what brings me here
301 2013-05-11 01:01:26 <gmaxwell> I mean if whomever is running the .bit delegation doesn't self-censor, then it will get taken away.
302 2013-05-11 01:01:27 <tumak> iana ought to not insert their own records in delegation
303 2013-05-11 01:01:37 <tumak> gmaxwell: yup, thats inevitable.
304 2013-05-11 01:01:48 <tumak> however during the time it will work, before the strawman comes
305 2013-05-11 01:01:58 <tumak> it would hopefully bootstrap users to use .bit spv clients
306 2013-05-11 01:02:00 <tumak> straissand style
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308 2013-05-11 01:02:06 <gmaxwell> tumak: I don't even think it's a problem. when you want to ... right
309 2013-05-11 01:02:17 <gmaxwell> tumak: except SPV clients are not possible in the current design of namecoin.
310 2013-05-11 01:02:42 <edcba> cjd: tldr ?
311 2013-05-11 01:02:53 <gmaxwell> tumak: also, plenty of other issues.. spammers bought up all the good names for pennies because the reg cost went down too fast after it was adjusted.
312 2013-05-11 01:03:00 <tumak> gmaxwell: sure sure
313 2013-05-11 01:03:00 <cjd> edcba: /exec sudo reboot
314 2013-05-11 01:03:12 <tumak> gmaxwell: this needs chain redesign anyway
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316 2013-05-11 01:03:19 <tumak> gmaxwell: .bit not for grabs etc
317 2013-05-11 01:03:20 <edcba> EXEC Unknown command
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319 2013-05-11 01:03:28 <tumak> gmaxwell: i'm talking the overall scenario with straissand
320 2013-05-11 01:03:32 <tumak> whether it'd be worth the risk or not
321 2013-05-11 01:03:55 <cjd> gmaxwell: did you ever write up how to do spv nodes?
322 2013-05-11 01:03:58 <cjd> in nmc
323 2013-05-11 01:04:18 <edcba> i think dns by foaf is best
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325 2013-05-11 01:04:35 <cjd> edcba: tried, failed, tried again
326 2013-05-11 01:04:37 <edcba> attach a name to some pubkey and let the most populat win
327 2013-05-11 01:04:40 <tumak> cjd: i think the simplest reimplementation would be coin burning in bitcoin chain
328 2013-05-11 01:04:43 <tumak> cjd: and do spv of that
329 2013-05-11 01:04:49 <gmaxwell> cjd: it should be obvious to you _now_ how to do it, since it's been described and the decendants of that idea are now commonly discussed. :)
330 2013-05-11 01:04:50 <tumak> tied economics ftw, no need to invent your own
331 2013-05-11 01:05:15 <gmaxwell> descendants*
332 2013-05-11 01:05:28 <cjd> the utxo hashtree thing?
333 2013-05-11 01:05:43 <gmaxwell> cjd: yup.
334 2013-05-11 01:05:44 <gmaxwell> cjd: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=21995.0
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336 2013-05-11 01:06:02 <cjd> yeah, I wrote that up at one point
337 2013-05-11 01:06:11 <gmaxwell> (first sentence third paragraph)
338 2013-05-11 01:06:16 <cjd> just have to convince miners to add it to the protocol
339 2013-05-11 01:07:32 <HaltingState> weex, what other alternatives to proof of work are there?
340 2013-05-11 01:07:39 <cjd> problems with that are: #1 running a blockchain takes work #2 I'm lazy
341 2013-05-11 01:07:45 <edcba> :)
342 2013-05-11 01:07:51 <gmaxwell> cjd: well, you have to actually proof that it isn't horrible. normative datastructures suck.
343 2013-05-11 01:07:54 <weex> HaltingState: none that i'm particularly fond of
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345 2013-05-11 01:08:32 <cjd> mmm not following that sentence
346 2013-05-11 01:08:36 <cjd> like I'm 5?
347 2013-05-11 01:08:59 <ezdiy> tumak: i think you'll miss the early adoption factor/craze if you dismiss the chain almost altogether via bitcoin PoB
348 2013-05-11 01:09:22 <ezdiy> not saying its necessary for alt chain to succeed, but it works that way
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352 2013-05-11 01:12:03 <tumak> ezdiy: think of the poor miners, they'd have to care about _something_, because of bitcoin dns, _again_ :)
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354 2013-05-11 01:12:58 <tumak> (neither am i sure that merged mining was ever a good idea to begin with)
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363 2013-05-11 01:15:45 <HaltingState> weex, is there a list somewhere of alternatives to proof of work
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365 2013-05-11 01:15:59 <HaltingState> what mechanisms are there for deciding which chain is valid etc?
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367 2013-05-11 01:16:46 <HaltingState> bitcoin does the "longest chain wins" and makes the blocks costly; POS tries to burn tokens and say "chain with most expenditure wins", ripple is "make stuff up"
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371 2013-05-11 01:18:06 <cjd> xD
372 2013-05-11 01:18:11 <HaltingState> ripple requires all the servers to agree on transactions before they are entered in block chain and for all authorities to have the set of pending transactions; which is insane; i have no idea how you would sync that and get consensus and what happens if nodes lie
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374 2013-05-11 01:18:34 <gmaxwell> HaltingState: its trivial if one party controls all the servers. :P
375 2013-05-11 01:18:41 <ezdiy> HaltingState: PoW, PoS, PoB are valid ones imo
376 2013-05-11 01:18:47 <cjd> oh oh oh
377 2013-05-11 01:18:49 <HaltingState> whats PoB?
378 2013-05-11 01:19:00 <cjd> ripple is a centralized virtual currency?
379 2013-05-11 01:19:00 <gmaxwell> proof of beer.
380 2013-05-11 01:19:00 <ezdiy> throwing your coins down the drain in one chain
381 2013-05-11 01:19:05 <ezdiy> is proof of work in another chain
382 2013-05-11 01:19:06 <ezdiy> :)
383 2013-05-11 01:19:25 <gmaxwell> cjd: argue that based on the public data so far it's either centralized or insecure. (pick one)
384 2013-05-11 01:19:39 <cjd> FinCEN is going to be thrilled
385 2013-05-11 01:19:42 <weex> i just wanted to see server code
386 2013-05-11 01:19:42 <edcba> can't i take both ?
387 2013-05-11 01:19:52 <gmaxwell> basically their security model is obviously secure if its centralized and ... far from obviously secure otherwise.
388 2013-05-11 01:20:18 <weex> once early adopters are invested enough in it, it can stay centralized forever
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390 2013-05-11 01:20:41 <ezdiy> "i dont always premine, but when i do, i do it on central server"
391 2013-05-11 01:21:12 <edcba> ok let's use IP4 space to make some pow !
392 2013-05-11 01:21:21 <ezdiy> lol
393 2013-05-11 01:21:40 <edcba> or IPv6 to speed up adoption
394 2013-05-11 01:21:42 <ezdiy> BotCoin
395 2013-05-11 01:21:50 <edcba> haha nice name
396 2013-05-11 01:22:01 <HaltingState> bitcoin talks should have sub forums for the altcoins; this is stupid; they are part of the community
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398 2013-05-11 01:22:11 <ezdiy> originally i joked about SpamCoin, proof of amount spam sent
399 2013-05-11 01:22:12 <HaltingState> and bbq should not have a forum but litecoin should
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401 2013-05-11 01:22:19 <ezdiy> but i guess it can be distilled to proof of ownership of ip
402 2013-05-11 01:22:53 <ezdiy> HaltingState: i can understand theymos's stance on that
403 2013-05-11 01:22:58 <edcba> maybe we can raise the level and switching from IP to DNS ! dnscoin !
404 2013-05-11 01:23:59 <ezdiy> HaltingState: he should honour the request, just create 'Pump & Dump schemes' and move all altcoin threads in there
405 2013-05-11 01:24:10 <ezdiy> or at least those which were proven to be P&D already
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407 2013-05-11 01:24:34 <HaltingState> well PPC is valid and should be dicusssions about security model etc
408 2013-05-11 01:24:52 <HaltingState> and solid coin needs one for historical reasons and as warning and lolz
409 2013-05-11 01:24:55 <ezdiy> yeah, most historical alts are valid
410 2013-05-11 01:25:00 <ezdiy> but the recent madness?
411 2013-05-11 01:25:06 <HaltingState> and litecoin because it has lots of users; bbq and others can go in misc alt coins
412 2013-05-11 01:25:08 <ezdiy> RoyalCoin? Really? C'mon.
413 2013-05-11 01:25:15 <ezdiy> this is 12yr olds full force
414 2013-05-11 01:25:23 <HaltingState> the forum for new altcoins
415 2013-05-11 01:25:32 <gmaxwell> this is all kinda OT here.
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422 2013-05-11 01:27:32 <ezdiy> gmaxwell: btw, what the hell is Coin of the moonmen
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424 2013-05-11 01:28:08 <ezdiy> couldn't quite grasp the concept (and yes, i'm interested in Po* ledgers to store large amounts of data)
425 2013-05-11 01:28:26 <edcba> made from moondust
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473 2013-05-11 01:33:06 <weex> if there are multiple longterm bitcoin-based systems, they will likely share some development so it's question where those issues should go
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475 2013-05-11 01:33:10 <gmaxwell> ezdiy: it just takes the some what crazy step of not creating an artifical distinction between money and bytes.
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479 2013-05-11 01:33:20 <gmaxwell> weex: lol 'development'
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483 2013-05-11 01:33:34 <weex> i meant to say developmental issues
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488 2013-05-11 01:33:57 <weex> but i know none have the passion of the core yet
489 2013-05-11 01:34:08 <gmaxwell> I mean, so far none of the altcoins appears to recieve sustaining development in any great degree.
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494 2013-05-11 01:34:16 <HaltingState> ok the alt coins are harmeless http://coinmarketcap.com/
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500 2013-05-11 01:34:31 <ezdiy> gmaxwell: ah, so details how actual storage of said bytes would work is intentionally left out :/
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507 2013-05-11 01:35:05 <ezdiy> my point being, if wikileaks et al want to store data indefinitely, there should be proper means to do so
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515 2013-05-11 01:35:38 <gmaxwell> ezdiy: if indefinitely means infinitely then it has potentially infinite cost.
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518 2013-05-11 01:36:13 <ezdiy> hm, that does not provide the necessary economic incentive compared to bitcoin :)
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523 2013-05-11 01:36:29 <ezdiy> pay once, store forever
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525 2013-05-11 01:36:48 <edcba> steg it into porn
526 2013-05-11 01:36:55 <ezdiy> edcba: lol yeah
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596 2013-05-11 01:50:26 <HaltingState> "In the future every new coin will be a fork of the Ripple codebase. It's just better in every way." lol
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606 2013-05-11 01:52:53 <ezdiy> HaltingState: maybe it is
607 2013-05-11 01:53:03 <ezdiy> developers making bold statements rarely live up to expectations though
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653 2013-05-11 01:57:57 <HaltingState> "Is your New crypto-currency having trouble gaining support of crypto communityÂs? We Can Help!!!" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=200475.0
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655 2013-05-11 01:58:01 <HaltingState> omfg
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659 2013-05-11 01:58:36 <HaltingState> when they say "coin or bar" I am loling; is "bar" sarcasm or wtf
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847 2013-05-11 02:11:08 <helo> what would be the downside to a 10k address pool?
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853 2013-05-11 02:12:07 <helo> the obvious upside being backups 100x less frequent
854 2013-05-11 02:12:19 <duSn> faked addresses?
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856 2013-05-11 02:12:53 <MC1984_> bigger wallet
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858 2013-05-11 02:13:25 <MC1984_> completely forgetting about backing it up ever until one day years from now when you get royally fucked
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861 2013-05-11 02:13:42 <MC1984_> generally poor substitude for a real HD wallet
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867 2013-05-11 02:14:14 <helo> show a warning if you have less than 5k addresses until the last backup was made?
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869 2013-05-11 02:14:34 <helo> english :(
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878 2013-05-11 02:15:58 <MC1984_> it was a bodge from back in the days when there was no keypool at all and hilarious amounts of coins went missing
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880 2013-05-11 02:16:31 <MC1984_> better to just make keypools moot whenever the wallet gets worked on again
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887 2013-05-11 02:17:52 <helo> yeah...
888 2013-05-11 02:18:06 <helo> forever backups will be nice
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1262 2013-05-11 02:59:12 <MC1984_> teehee it begins
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1523 2013-05-11 04:54:18 <MC1984_> ERROR: Non-canonical signature: S value negative
1524 2013-05-11 04:54:18 <MC1984_> ERROR: CScriptCheck() : 3b983017043142da8f258a70504fb7a3dfb3b44c975fa37162b5d2d4
1525 2013-05-11 04:54:18 <MC1984_> 272468d1 VerifySignature failed
1526 2013-05-11 04:54:22 <MC1984_> never seen that before
1527 2013-05-11 04:55:07 <MC1984_> also R value negative
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1536 2013-05-11 05:13:39 <cjd> MC1984_: openssl lets you send it all kinds of crap as a DER encoded key, new rules block refuse any transaction which doesn't use the standard form which openssl emits
1537 2013-05-11 05:13:51 <cjd> s/block//
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1539 2013-05-11 05:15:44 <Luke-Jr> cjd: s/which openssl emits//
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1541 2013-05-11 05:19:07 <MC1984_> oh is that what that is
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1546 2013-05-11 05:29:43 <RyanRohypnol> Anyone in here know how to crack a bitcoin wallet that is locked? I will give someone 5 BTC (550USD)
1547 2013-05-11 05:30:22 <cjd> that's all your walletstealer came up with?
1548 2013-05-11 05:30:27 <Luke-Jr> RyanRohypnol: consider it impossible
1549 2013-05-11 05:30:33 <RyanRohypnol> Lol, no it's my wallet
1550 2013-05-11 05:30:37 <RyanRohypnol> I just forgot the password
1551 2013-05-11 05:30:55 <cjd> mmm
1552 2013-05-11 05:30:56 <RyanRohypnol> I don't think it's impossible
1553 2013-05-11 05:30:57 <Luke-Jr> expensive lesson
1554 2013-05-11 05:30:59 <RyanRohypnol> It's just a password
1555 2013-05-11 05:31:01 <cjd> sleep on it
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1559 2013-05-11 05:31:03 <Luke-Jr> "just"
1560 2013-05-11 05:31:06 <RyanRohypnol> not like a huge random letters and numbers
1561 2013-05-11 05:31:17 <RyanRohypnol> A bruteforcer would do the trick
1562 2013-05-11 05:31:19 <cjd> remembering it is the fastest way
1563 2013-05-11 05:31:24 <Luke-Jr> RyanRohypnol: oh, so a dictionary word?
1564 2013-05-11 05:31:26 <RyanRohypnol> Yes
1565 2013-05-11 05:31:37 <RyanRohypnol> but I don't know a progam were I can set the variables
1566 2013-05-11 05:31:44 <RyanRohypnol> to run on a program
1567 2013-05-11 05:31:57 * Luke-Jr wonders how you can not remember a simple thing like that
1568 2013-05-11 05:32:07 <cjd> xD
1569 2013-05-11 05:32:08 <RyanRohypnol> Yea Luke-Jr lol
1570 2013-05-11 05:33:23 <RyanRohypnol> So, I should go elsewhere? no one here can help?
1571 2013-05-11 05:34:14 <Luke-Jr> I'd do it if I really thought it was a simple dictionary word, but that seems unlikely
1572 2013-05-11 05:34:29 <Luke-Jr> also, I'd want to confirm the wallet was in fact yours before turning it over
1573 2013-05-11 05:34:38 <RyanRohypnol> Yea it is mine
1574 2013-05-11 05:34:40 <RyanRohypnol> idk how to prove it
1575 2013-05-11 05:34:42 <RyanRohypnol> but it's 5btc
1576 2013-05-11 05:34:46 <Luke-Jr> who sent the 5 BTC?
1577 2013-05-11 05:34:50 <RyanRohypnol> lol
1578 2013-05-11 05:34:53 <RyanRohypnol> I have 21
1579 2013-05-11 05:34:55 <RyanRohypnol> in the wallet
1580 2013-05-11 05:34:59 <RyanRohypnol> but I am willing to pay 5 btc
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1582 2013-05-11 05:35:02 <RyanRohypnol> to whoever can do it
1583 2013-05-11 05:35:06 <Luke-Jr> point is, whoever sent them to you can vouch for you
1584 2013-05-11 05:35:37 <RyanRohypnol> yea
1585 2013-05-11 05:35:42 <RyanRohypnol> His name is luke lol
1586 2013-05-11 05:36:20 <Luke-Jr> â¦
1587 2013-05-11 05:36:29 <RyanRohypnol> Not you lol
1588 2013-05-11 05:37:01 <Luke-Jr> ok, so ask him for the transaction id where he sent you the coins, and a signed message proving he sent it
1589 2013-05-11 05:37:19 <Luke-Jr> (the message should also identify you in some unconfusable way)
1590 2013-05-11 05:37:23 <RyanRohypnol> Okay, and you can 100% help me?
1591 2013-05-11 05:37:25 <RyanRohypnol> if I do so?
1592 2013-05-11 05:38:01 <BCB> Luke-Jr how are bitcoin passwords encrypted
1593 2013-05-11 05:38:08 <Luke-Jr> if you can 100% guarantee me the passphrase is a word in any common dictionary..
1594 2013-05-11 05:38:23 <Luke-Jr> BCB: the wallet is AES encrypted with the passphrase
1595 2013-05-11 05:38:53 <BCB> Luke-Jr, is is salted
1596 2013-05-11 05:39:12 <Luke-Jr> BCB: I forgot.
1597 2013-05-11 05:39:52 <Luke-Jr> RyanRohypnol: also, what is the CPU of the system you encrypted the wallet on?
1598 2013-05-11 05:42:55 <MC1984_> does that make a diffeerence?
1599 2013-05-11 05:44:03 <Luke-Jr> MC1984_: I think so, IIRC it hashes the passphrase N times to make bruteforcing harder
1600 2013-05-11 05:44:08 <Luke-Jr> where N is defined by time
1601 2013-05-11 05:44:16 <Luke-Jr> so, stronger CPU = stronger wallet
1602 2013-05-11 05:44:23 <RyanRohypnol> It's not a passphrase luke
1603 2013-05-11 05:44:27 <RyanRohypnol> you aren't understanding lol
1604 2013-05-11 05:44:31 <RyanRohypnol> it's literally just a password
1605 2013-05-11 05:44:35 <RyanRohypnol> preventing me from sending money
1606 2013-05-11 05:44:38 <RyanRohypnol> I can see my walle
1607 2013-05-11 05:44:41 <MC1984_> Luke-Jr thats seems kinda dumb
1608 2013-05-11 05:44:44 <RyanRohypnol> and my transactions
1609 2013-05-11 05:44:48 <Luke-Jr> RyanRohypnol: whatever you want to call it, it's SUPPOSED to be a passphrase :P
1610 2013-05-11 05:45:02 <Luke-Jr> MC1984_: ..
1611 2013-05-11 05:45:36 <cjd> Luke-Jr: what about your utf8 ... ? you're slipping
1612 2013-05-11 05:45:57 <Luke-Jr> cjd: that just warranted a .., not â¦
1613 2013-05-11 05:46:45 <cjd> xD
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1615 2013-05-11 05:49:09 <MC1984_> to have your wallet encryption be weaker than someone elses because your cpu was slower
1616 2013-05-11 05:49:13 <MC1984_> yes seems weird
1617 2013-05-11 05:49:18 <MC1984_> whats the rush
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1619 2013-05-11 05:51:17 <mollison1> MC1984_: don't think of it as slow CPUs getting less security... think of it as fast CPUs getting extra security
1620 2013-05-11 05:51:46 <MC1984_> i think theres no reason for either, unless im misunderstanding
1621 2013-05-11 05:52:27 <cjd> if someone's passphrase is 'penis', you can't really save them from themselves
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1623 2013-05-11 05:52:58 <MC1984_> whats that got to do with how many times its hashed
1624 2013-05-11 05:53:00 <cjd> but if they have a very fast processor, you can frustrate the effort of a wallet stealer by doing more cycles
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1628 2013-05-11 05:53:38 <cjd> it doesn't matter, in order to do enough hashes to make a dictionary word secure, it would take like 30 seconds on a fast computer
1629 2013-05-11 05:53:39 <MC1984_> i can do as many hashing ops as mr i7 expensive edition cpu
1630 2013-05-11 05:53:45 <MC1984_> it would just take me longer, whats the rush
1631 2013-05-11 05:53:58 <flound1129> is there a reason I am constantly getting 'failed to write block' and have to rebuild db?
1632 2013-05-11 05:54:43 stretchwarren has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1633 2013-05-11 05:54:59 <cjd> flound1129: out of disk space?
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1637 2013-05-11 05:56:45 <flound1129> nope
1638 2013-05-11 05:56:58 <flound1129> 150gb free
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1641 2013-05-11 05:57:43 <justme> @gribble: can you pm me regarding a ban ?
1642 2013-05-11 05:57:58 <justme> i dont know why
1643 2013-05-11 05:58:03 <flound1129> gribble is a bot
1644 2013-05-11 05:58:12 <justme> wth
1645 2013-05-11 05:58:24 <justme> how do you find out why a person is banned ?
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1647 2013-05-11 05:58:33 <flound1129> ban message?
1648 2013-05-11 05:58:44 <justme> well you know what ...
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1650 2013-05-11 05:59:08 <MC1984_> lol canada
1651 2013-05-11 05:59:08 <ezdiy> 07:31 -!- btcls_ was kicked from #bitcoin by gribble [Fuck off, you're not welcome here]
1652 2013-05-11 05:59:09 <flound1129> chicken butt?
1653 2013-05-11 05:59:14 <justme> when the "gribble bot" is programmed to swear at people ... and the dev community accepts that ... there are issues
1654 2013-05-11 05:59:28 <ezdiy> justme: get used to it, this is freenode
1655 2013-05-11 05:59:32 <flound1129> someone added a ban in the bot with that message
1656 2013-05-11 05:59:38 <midnightmagic> lol
1657 2013-05-11 05:59:52 <ezdiy> people ignore the usual irc netiquette developed over millenia
1658 2013-05-11 06:00:00 <justme> ezdiy: who ever did that ... is giving bitcoin a bad name
1659 2013-05-11 06:00:08 <MC1984_> we banning the web gateway now
1660 2013-05-11 06:00:20 <ezdiy> justme: nah, they just fail at irc
1661 2013-05-11 06:00:26 <ezdiy> ban reasons are there ... for a reason
1662 2013-05-11 06:00:34 <ezdiy> if youre banned for scamming, the banhammer should state so
1663 2013-05-11 06:00:45 <ezdiy> fuck off sounds like oper abuse. anyhow, totally unrelated to -dev
1664 2013-05-11 06:01:03 <justme> ezdiy: oh you saw that
1665 2013-05-11 06:01:20 <mollison1> flound1129: this is just a guess, but check permissions. i have gotten permissions screwed up before from dealing with the whole incompatible bdb version fiasco.
1666 2013-05-11 06:01:27 <justme> and these are mods HELPING bitcoin ???
1667 2013-05-11 06:01:43 <ezdiy> maybe theyre good people
1668 2013-05-11 06:01:47 <ezdiy> just terrible sloppy at irc
1669 2013-05-11 06:01:52 <ezdiy> again, on freenode nothing surprising
1670 2013-05-11 06:01:53 <ezdiy> :(
1671 2013-05-11 06:02:13 <cjd> lol@ban
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1673 2013-05-11 06:02:19 <justme> ezdiy: i am going to have to explain this on my website or just not tell them to come here
1674 2013-05-11 06:02:28 <justme> my customers will not understand irc
1675 2013-05-11 06:02:58 <ezdiy> gribble: why not banhammer here?
1676 2013-05-11 06:02:59 * ezdiy is confused
1677 2013-05-11 06:03:10 <cjd> yeah
1678 2013-05-11 06:03:14 <justme> grrrrr ... maybe just install my own irc
1679 2013-05-11 06:03:19 <ezdiy> fuck off caliber should apply everywhere :))
1680 2013-05-11 06:03:26 <ezdiy> justme: thats how it goes
1681 2013-05-11 06:03:29 <justme> anyways have a night guys
1682 2013-05-11 06:03:29 <cjd> telling your customers to join free irc support is sorta abusing the commons
1683 2013-05-11 06:03:31 <MC1984_> the freenode web irc is problematic
1684 2013-05-11 06:03:32 <justme> back to work
1685 2013-05-11 06:03:40 <MC1984_> get a real irc if youre so bothered
1686 2013-05-11 06:03:41 <justme> cjd: ??
1687 2013-05-11 06:04:01 <midnightmagic> so.. uh.. for how many more pages are you guys going to complain about that?
1688 2013-05-11 06:04:02 <justme> was going to say for more informal info go here ...type of thing
1689 2013-05-11 06:04:04 <ezdiy> MC1984_: whats wrong with webchat?
1690 2013-05-11 06:04:06 <cjd> well.. nobody here gets paid, you get paid by your customers so you should have knowlegable customer support :)
1691 2013-05-11 06:04:13 * ezdiy hides
1692 2013-05-11 06:04:18 <mollison1> cjd: +1. for informal info go to #bitcoin
1693 2013-05-11 06:04:20 <MC1984_> ezdiy i call it the trollgate
1694 2013-05-11 06:04:42 <mollison1> justme: sorry that was meant for you... for informal info go to #bitcoin
1695 2013-05-11 06:04:45 <justme> cjd: agree ... just saying you could go here ... I will have live support
1696 2013-05-11 06:04:50 <cjd> irc is full of swearing and PENISPENISPENIS partially for just that reason, because it's meant to be for devs and not for support
1697 2013-05-11 06:04:51 <ezdiy> MC1984_: you mean nanotube playing games on us after all night binge? :)
1698 2013-05-11 06:05:24 <justme> cjd: thats where i made my mistake ... i disagreed with a mod allowing swearing ... lol
1699 2013-05-11 06:05:58 <cjd> yeah
1700 2013-05-11 06:06:03 <ezdiy> think of the children!
1701 2013-05-11 06:06:05 <justme> just figured a link off the main website of bitcoin.org would not allow it
1702 2013-05-11 06:06:17 <ezdiy> (especially now that bitcoin is getting popular in 12yr old demo)
1703 2013-05-11 06:06:29 <justme> cjd: anyways ....
1704 2013-05-11 06:06:30 <MC1984_> its like you think people on the internet are different because its bitcoin or something
1705 2013-05-11 06:06:34 <ezdiy> justme: this is actually fairly valid argument
1706 2013-05-11 06:06:43 <ezdiy> justme: send a pull request to take that link down
1707 2013-05-11 06:06:48 <justme> ezdiy: many professionals like doctors etc dont like swearing either friend
1708 2013-05-11 06:07:31 <justme> ezdiy: i just want bitcoin to work ... it will work with me or without me ... with mtgox or without ... it is unstoppable now
1709 2013-05-11 06:07:33 <justme> imo
1710 2013-05-11 06:07:56 <ezdiy> suggested commit: #bitcoin is already full of drama and 1000s of idlers, why add more via link in high-visibility website?
1711 2013-05-11 06:08:03 <ezdiy> add some argument about credibility etc
1712 2013-05-11 06:08:04 <mollison1> justme: it won't work without the devs... who generally deserve a lot more thanks and praise than they get
1713 2013-05-11 06:08:06 <cjd> irc and mailing lists have a special ediquite, some things which are normal to normal people like asking questions that are obvious on google are a sin... and other things which are normally considered evil, like telling someone to type 'sudo reboot' is considered just fine :)
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1715 2013-05-11 06:08:43 <justme> mollison1: totally agree ...and I will donate to the dev besides just running my client
1716 2013-05-11 06:08:48 <ezdiy> cjd: problem with that is dunbarr's number
1717 2013-05-11 06:08:55 <ezdiy> cjd: what youre saying is fine in *small* channels
1718 2013-05-11 06:09:01 <ezdiy> but not in 1000s crowd full of strangers
1719 2013-05-11 06:09:21 <cjd> mmm
1720 2013-05-11 06:09:25 <cjd> big numbers can be a problem
1721 2013-05-11 06:09:27 <MC1984_> were still well inside dunbars here
1722 2013-05-11 06:09:32 <MC1984_> most of it is idlers
1723 2013-05-11 06:10:13 <ezdiy> indeed, mostly applies to #bitcoin
1724 2013-05-11 06:10:19 <ezdiy> where its impossible to recognize regulars
1725 2013-05-11 06:10:19 <cjd> if thre's too many of them I'll have to change it to sudo bash -e 'echo reboot > /etc/rc.local ; reboot'
1726 2013-05-11 06:10:23 <justme> anyways ... I am telling doctors and business people to go to bitcoin.org ...two clicks away you get swearing in chat
1727 2013-05-11 06:10:36 <justme> thats all ...thats it ...it is factual
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1730 2013-05-11 06:11:00 <ezdiy> cjd: why not just shred -f /dev/sda& ? :)
1731 2013-05-11 06:11:03 * midnightmagic is having trouble deciding whether the conversation is serious or not.
1732 2013-05-11 06:11:14 <cjd> that would be mean
1733 2013-05-11 06:11:16 <cjd> :)
1734 2013-05-11 06:11:20 <ezdiy> its related to -dev if its seriously meant change to website imo
1735 2013-05-11 06:11:28 <MC1984_> if people cant handle a bit of foul language, theyre gonna have trouble with bitcoin overall
1736 2013-05-11 06:11:44 <ezdiy> MC1984_: and then, all off sudden, youre overrun by 13year olds
1737 2013-05-11 06:11:45 <MC1984_> bot message was funny though
1738 2013-05-11 06:11:52 <ezdiy> yeah
1739 2013-05-11 06:11:55 <ezdiy> canadian -> fuck off
1740 2013-05-11 06:12:02 <justme> you guys can handle that one ... i do have a different question
1741 2013-05-11 06:12:40 <justme> if i provide a usb stick with MOST of the block chain ... will the rest of the block chain automatically configure and sync ?
1742 2013-05-11 06:12:58 <MC1984_> should do
1743 2013-05-11 06:13:03 <MC1984_> as long as its the real chain
1744 2013-05-11 06:13:15 <justme> yes from genesis forward
1745 2013-05-11 06:13:30 <MC1984_> why not just use the bootsrap.dat
1746 2013-05-11 06:13:35 <Luke-Jr> MC1984_: it's not a matter of "can't handle", it's a matter of giving people the wrong impression
1747 2013-05-11 06:13:40 <Luke-Jr> foul language = kids
1748 2013-05-11 06:13:42 <ezdiy> scales pointing more towards troll imo
1749 2013-05-11 06:13:50 <ezdiy> Luke-Jr: ack
1750 2013-05-11 06:14:07 <ezdiy> imo overused foul language though
1751 2013-05-11 06:14:08 <justme> Luke-Jr: EXACTLY ...swearing unprofessional is just "script kiddies"
1752 2013-05-11 06:14:15 <MC1984_> Luke-Jr maybe so, but people should be sensible enough to seperate the community from the system
1753 2013-05-11 06:14:22 <ezdiy> if you fuck up something, well, theres exactly no other way to put it that way
1754 2013-05-11 06:14:23 * cjd == troll \:D/
1755 2013-05-11 06:14:26 <MC1984_> were not bitcoin staff in here or some shit
1756 2013-05-11 06:14:54 <justme> cjd: just saying it is two clicks away from bitcoin.org
1757 2013-05-11 06:14:58 <MC1984_> besides theres far more nefarious shit to look out for in bitcoin than bad words
1758 2013-05-11 06:14:59 <ezdiy> MC1984_: anyone can propose website change though
1759 2013-05-11 06:15:10 <Luke-Jr> ezdiy: except that doesn't mean anything. you're using a word that refers to sexual acts when you don't mean sexual acts. is it so hard to say what you actually mean?
1760 2013-05-11 06:15:15 <justme> the "official site" ... and i am done with this swearing stuff ... you guys can work it out
1761 2013-05-11 06:15:45 <justme> i need tech advice not fn drama
1762 2013-05-11 06:15:54 <MC1984_> i dont think "fuck" neccesarily means copulation?
1763 2013-05-11 06:15:55 <cjd> it's tricky, bitcoin is not a corporation so you can't expect it to be professional
1764 2013-05-11 06:16:01 <cjd> it just works
1765 2013-05-11 06:16:03 <MC1984_> #bitcoin-etympology
1766 2013-05-11 06:16:15 <mollison1> hmm... wonder who brought the drama... LOL
1767 2013-05-11 06:16:23 <Luke-Jr> cjd: you don't need a corporation to be professional
1768 2013-05-11 06:16:43 <Luke-Jr> MC1984_: it does
1769 2013-05-11 06:16:47 <ezdiy> Luke-Jr: heat of the argument, you know what i mean
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1771 2013-05-11 06:16:48 <justme> cjd: you know what .... that is a good article to post on my blog ... "it is not a corporation ...do not expect it to act that way" ... wow
1772 2013-05-11 06:17:13 <ezdiy> my point being you cant readily express intimate emoticons via foul language to complete strangers which you just met on irc
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1774 2013-05-11 06:17:38 <MC1984_> justme do not expect what to act what way?
1775 2013-05-11 06:17:57 <MC1984_> bitcoin is a proven technical system
1776 2013-05-11 06:18:05 <MC1984_> there are people around it, thats it
1777 2013-05-11 06:18:08 <Luke-Jr> it's not proven yet.
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1779 2013-05-11 06:18:24 <ezdiy> justme: if bitcoin foundation acted in more self-appointed way more than it does, the loudmouths would cry bloody murder even more
1780 2013-05-11 06:18:24 <cjd> it's just a piece of software, if you want to build a corporation around it you have to do that yourself...
1781 2013-05-11 06:18:25 <MC1984_> ok
1782 2013-05-11 06:18:29 <ezdiy> justme: kinda catch22 there
1783 2013-05-11 06:18:31 <MC1984_> more proven than it was
1784 2013-05-11 06:18:34 <justme> MC194: bitcoin is NOT a corporation do not expect it to work that way ...it is decentralized ... then explain to my customers you may engage in some weird chat two clicks away
1785 2013-05-11 06:19:00 <MC1984_> sounds right
1786 2013-05-11 06:19:14 <MC1984_> as long as people dont think they will be dealing with bitcoin PLC or something
1787 2013-05-11 06:19:15 <ezdiy> justme: btw, i think theres forum link as well
1788 2013-05-11 06:19:21 <ezdiy> justme: not pretty sight either
1789 2013-05-11 06:19:31 <justme> hmmmm
1790 2013-05-11 06:19:41 <Arnavion> It's a chat channel, not a company website or mailing list
1791 2013-05-11 06:19:52 <ezdiy> i for one, am glad for the minimal moderation of all bitcoin-related mediums of communication
1792 2013-05-11 06:19:52 <Arnavion> Why ever would you want to send your customers here expecting proffessionalism
1793 2013-05-11 06:19:55 <Luke-Jr> true, the mailing list is pretty tame
1794 2013-05-11 06:20:17 <cjd> Just look at some of the emails from Linus, software dev mailing lists and channels are absolutely not meant for support.
1795 2013-05-11 06:20:18 <MC1984_> dont tell people about the mailing list >.<
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1797 2013-05-11 06:20:25 <Arnavion> That has nothing to do with Bitcoin. You're misunderstanding the purpose of this channel
1798 2013-05-11 06:20:41 <Arnavion> ( @ justme )
1799 2013-05-11 06:20:51 <justme> Arnavion: because as a "newbie" as of one month ... it is a few clicks off of the official website ... and NO i did not know about Web IRC currently when i came
1800 2013-05-11 06:20:52 <ezdiy> Luke-Jr: high barrier to entry for 13yr olds :)
1801 2013-05-11 06:21:11 <Arnavion> justme: Well now you know better
1802 2013-05-11 06:21:24 <Luke-Jr> justme: there is no official anything
1803 2013-05-11 06:21:30 <justme> Arnavion: yes i do ...but i have invested time to understand
1804 2013-05-11 06:21:35 <ezdiy> Luke-Jr: but people perceive it so
1805 2013-05-11 06:21:41 <justme> but the average merchant will not
1806 2013-05-11 06:21:48 <Arnavion> justme: Depending on how technically inclined your customers are, you can point them to the github page where they can see discussion on the commits
1807 2013-05-11 06:21:57 <Luke-Jr> justme: why is the average merchant clicking under Developers?
1808 2013-05-11 06:22:07 <Luke-Jr> only developers should do that
1809 2013-05-11 06:22:09 <justme> Arnavion: yeppers
1810 2013-05-11 06:22:15 <Arnavion> justme: But otherwise what Luke-Jr just said
1811 2013-05-11 06:22:27 <justme> Luke-Jr: i would not send them here ...
1812 2013-05-11 06:22:38 <cjd> good :)
1813 2013-05-11 06:22:44 <ezdiy> i think because he got spuriously banned on the main channel?
1814 2013-05-11 06:22:45 <justme> but to bitcoin general ya
1815 2013-05-11 06:22:49 <ezdiy> so its ot in here now :)
1816 2013-05-11 06:22:50 <justme> or should i not ?
1817 2013-05-11 06:22:54 <Luke-Jr> justme: I wouldn't
1818 2013-05-11 06:22:58 <Arnavion> #bitcoin would be worse
1819 2013-05-11 06:23:03 <Luke-Jr> #bitcoin-tech if anything, but that'd be for advanced merchants
1820 2013-05-11 06:23:10 <Luke-Jr> average merchants, I'd just send to BitPay or such
1821 2013-05-11 06:23:21 <MC1984_> The Oxford English Dictionary states that the ultimate etymology is uncertain, but that the word is "probably cognate" with a number of native Germanic words with meanings involving striking, rubbing, and having sex.[2]
1822 2013-05-11 06:23:25 <MC1984_> welp youre right
1823 2013-05-11 06:23:39 <cjd> Luke is always right
1824 2013-05-11 06:23:40 <justme> to all ... I have learned and that was the purpose going into these channels that link directly from bitcoin.org
1825 2013-05-11 06:23:42 <cjd> it's maddening
1826 2013-05-11 06:23:50 <Luke-Jr> XD
1827 2013-05-11 06:23:53 <MC1984_> not always
1828 2013-05-11 06:24:26 <justme> every chat room not only has its official rules but the mod "emotional" rules as well even this one
1829 2013-05-11 06:24:33 <Luke-Jr> MC1984_: see why you shouldn't use words when you don't mean them? :D
1830 2013-05-11 06:24:36 <ezdiy> The word's use is considered obscene in social contexts, but may be common in informal and domestic situations.
1831 2013-05-11 06:24:39 <cjd> justme: linking people to bitcoin.org is probably bad, send them to mtgox which has a good support infrastructure and can work with them.
1832 2013-05-11 06:24:40 <ezdiy> is irc formal or informal?
1833 2013-05-11 06:24:53 <Luke-Jr> ezdiy: I disagree, it is always obscene. ;)
1834 2013-05-11 06:25:02 <MC1984_> you have to know what they actually mean first ><
1835 2013-05-11 06:25:06 <justme> cjd: yes ...i need to do something
1836 2013-05-11 06:25:11 <Arnavion> ezdiy: It's very domestic
1837 2013-05-11 06:25:16 <justme> it can not be here
1838 2013-05-11 06:25:20 <Arnavion> I'm always telling people to sudo go make me a sandwich
1839 2013-05-11 06:25:28 <Arnavion> Although they usually don't comply...
1840 2013-05-11 06:25:36 <Luke-Jr> Arnavion: visudo
1841 2013-05-11 06:25:42 <cjd> mtgox is a corporation, it will look very correct and proper (because their internal channels are private)
1842 2013-05-11 06:25:42 <ezdiy> basement-dweller humor
1843 2013-05-11 06:25:43 <ezdiy> eew
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1845 2013-05-11 06:26:04 <MC1984_> send people to gox if you want
1846 2013-05-11 06:26:07 <Arnavion> Hah, joke's on you, I live in the parking lot!
1847 2013-05-11 06:26:11 <justme> i have not bought bitcoin from mtgox yet ... this will be the next thing i learn
1848 2013-05-11 06:26:22 <MC1984_> but dont make them think they are dealing with bitcoin then
1849 2013-05-11 06:26:26 <ezdiy> Arnavion: you sure its not an underground parkig lot? :)
1850 2013-05-11 06:26:31 <justme> i have bought bitcoin easily and quickly in Canada from cavirtex
1851 2013-05-11 06:26:33 <Luke-Jr> I'd send individuals to Gox maybe, but BitPay looks a lot more merchant-friendly IMO
1852 2013-05-11 06:26:42 <Arnavion> ezdiy: I don't know... I haven't seen the sun in months
1853 2013-05-11 06:27:05 <MC1984_> greenland or neckbeard?
1854 2013-05-11 06:27:18 <Arnavion> Maybe civilization has crumbled and you're all figments of my imagination
1855 2013-05-11 06:27:19 <Luke-Jr> and considering MtGox's current position, I'd prefer to see people pick up other services more
1856 2013-05-11 06:27:30 <Arnavion> ... which means there really isn't anyone to make me a sandwich any more...
1857 2013-05-11 06:27:33 <justme> is there a way that i can download a block chain to a specific point in time ... meaning ... this usb stick has the block chain to the end of april ??
1858 2013-05-11 06:27:34 <MC1984_> tru
1859 2013-05-11 06:27:34 * Arnavion sad
1860 2013-05-11 06:27:35 <ezdiy> Arnavion: or echoes from freenode lag!
1861 2013-05-11 06:27:47 <MC1984_> so many startups basically depend on gox now
1862 2013-05-11 06:27:55 <Luke-Jr> justme: your client downloads it for you
1863 2013-05-11 06:28:01 <MC1984_> how long till gox is too big to fail..
1864 2013-05-11 06:28:07 <Luke-Jr> justme: you can concatenate the files it downloads to make a big one
1865 2013-05-11 06:28:07 <ezdiy> MC1984_: everything depends on gox :(
1866 2013-05-11 06:28:29 <MC1984_> i feel like gox is backstopping at least half of bitcoins mkt cap
1867 2013-05-11 06:28:29 <mollison1> there is a desperate need for people to open new high-quality exchanges
1868 2013-05-11 06:28:33 <ezdiy> justme: dont worry about, it works magically. come when you see some actual problem occuring with chain download.
1869 2013-05-11 06:28:40 <MC1984_> maybe it needs to pop
1870 2013-05-11 06:28:44 <Luke-Jr> mollison1: the legal barriers to entry are enourmous :/
1871 2013-05-11 06:28:50 <justme> Luke-Jr: I want to sell usb sticks that make it faster to get going ...usb 2.0 is faster then downloading correct ?
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1873 2013-05-11 06:29:14 <ezdiy> Luke-Jr: i've seen some guy on reddit who'd open bank branch in panama
1874 2013-05-11 06:29:19 <MC1984_> justme not reall
1875 2013-05-11 06:29:20 <MC1984_> y
1876 2013-05-11 06:29:20 <ezdiy> and serve exchange customers via api
1877 2013-05-11 06:29:25 <ezdiy> that'd be so awesome :(
1878 2013-05-11 06:29:39 <Arnavion> justme: Faster, yes, but...
1879 2013-05-11 06:29:41 <cjd> 02:05 < mollison1> there is a desperate need for people to open new high-quality exchanges <-- colorcoins and decentralized exchange
1880 2013-05-11 06:29:49 <mollison1> Luke-Jr: really? i was thinking about looking into it once I finish my PhD. it can't be that bad if campbx can do it, since that site doesn't seem to be run by competent people (or they are competent but just don't care)
1881 2013-05-11 06:29:50 <justme> MC1984: ... another post reading
1882 2013-05-11 06:29:54 <Arnavion> justme: The merchants would have to trust you you're giving them the real blockchain
1883 2013-05-11 06:29:57 <MC1984_> only really useful in cases where downloading all the chain is not practical, like mobile internet
1884 2013-05-11 06:30:06 <tumak> cjd: we need to solve the fiat first though :/
1885 2013-05-11 06:30:10 <justme> Arnavion: oh ...
1886 2013-05-11 06:30:12 <Arnavion> justme: Although once they've been on the network long enough they will find out if you have or haven't
1887 2013-05-11 06:30:23 <mollison1> cjd: how does one transfer USD into bitcoins using a decentralized exchange?
1888 2013-05-11 06:30:32 <justme> Arnavion: it will self verify
1889 2013-05-11 06:30:37 <Arnavion> Yes
1890 2013-05-11 06:30:50 <midnightmagic> mollison1: Magic.
1891 2013-05-11 06:30:59 <Arnavion> justme: In the worst case, they'll be off no worse than if they didn't have your initial USB
1892 2013-05-11 06:31:06 <MC1984_> justme i think you misunderstand what syncing the chain actually does
1893 2013-05-11 06:31:14 <cjd> mollison1: tumak: give your dollars to an exchanger which is willing to issue you colorcoins which are redeamable for dollars, then exchange those colorcoins for btc or other colorcoins
1894 2013-05-11 06:31:18 <tumak> cjd: even if there is huge network of small IOU issuers in bitcoinx, there will be still a lot of friction with banking system simply due to sheer lack of regulation/abuse
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1896 2013-05-11 06:31:57 <cjd> I'm pretty sure it's legal to issue local currency
1897 2013-05-11 06:32:11 <tumak> cjd: i dreamt of what you're saying before, but had a talk with few banking guys - banking wont work on that scale. IOUs must be issued by proper fin institutions :(
1898 2013-05-11 06:32:11 <justme> MC1984: i believe it reads the headers for a checksum ...which you are correct i dont understand yet
1899 2013-05-11 06:32:12 <cjd> In my area we have like 3 local currencies
1900 2013-05-11 06:32:28 <mollison1> cjd: what's the point of the colorcoins? if there is a local bitcoin exchanger, just give him dollars for bitcoins
1901 2013-05-11 06:32:43 <cjd> no volume
1902 2013-05-11 06:32:44 <MC1984_> it verifies the chain, not just downloads it
1903 2013-05-11 06:32:46 <tumak> cjd: yup, the IOUs themselves are not problem. problem is always irreversible issuace
1904 2013-05-11 06:32:50 <Luke-Jr> justme: I doubt it
1905 2013-05-11 06:32:50 <MC1984_> the ferifying is the hard part
1906 2013-05-11 06:32:57 <Luke-Jr> justme: maybe if your internet sucks
1907 2013-05-11 06:33:07 <cjd> tumak: irreversable issuence?
1908 2013-05-11 06:33:20 <Luke-Jr> mollison1: is CampBX properly licensed, or blackmarket?
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1910 2013-05-11 06:33:26 <tumak> cjd: you issue IOUs if i send money to your personal bank account
1911 2013-05-11 06:33:40 <tumak> cjd: now somebody comes along and sends you stolen money, wat do?
1912 2013-05-11 06:33:50 <Luke-Jr> ezdiy: If you do business with US citizens, you have to follow US regulations, which are a pain ESPECIALLY if you're outside the US
1913 2013-05-11 06:33:52 <tumak> thats exactly what happened to btc24 operator
1914 2013-05-11 06:33:53 <cjd> kill the IOUs
1915 2013-05-11 06:34:07 <tumak> cjd: how?
1916 2013-05-11 06:34:08 <Arnavion> Luke-Jr: Eh. I have first-world internet and the sync still slows down near where the blocks start ballooning in size
1917 2013-05-11 06:34:09 <cjd> I don't OU
1918 2013-05-11 06:34:17 <tumak> cjd: ious are your own currency
1919 2013-05-11 06:34:21 <tumak> once its out, its out
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1921 2013-05-11 06:34:27 <Luke-Jr> Arnavion: it's CPU and IO bound, not network
1922 2013-05-11 06:34:37 <cjd> it's just colorcoins, the only thing backing them is my promise to pay
1923 2013-05-11 06:34:38 <Arnavion> Luke-Jr: Not for my internet
1924 2013-05-11 06:34:48 <cjd> and if I stop promising then they're not worth anything anymore
1925 2013-05-11 06:34:49 <tumak> cjd: at least for color coins, the issuer CANT kill particular tx at his whim. he can only issue more.
1926 2013-05-11 06:34:51 <Luke-Jr> Arnavion: hardly first-world then
1927 2013-05-11 06:34:56 <Arnavion> Luke-Jr: It is very network bound
1928 2013-05-11 06:34:58 <mollison1> Luke-Jr: they're fully licensed. unless they're lying. i mean, they give their address in Georga, USA so I think they're totally above board.
1929 2013-05-11 06:35:04 <MC1984_> Arnavion you know blocks are less than 1mb right?
1930 2013-05-11 06:35:17 <cjd> tumak: yeah, current colorcoin implementations suck
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1932 2013-05-11 06:35:25 <cjd> and won't work since the dust rules anyway
1933 2013-05-11 06:35:33 <cjd> my design fixes both issues
1934 2013-05-11 06:35:34 <tumak> cjd: nah, the implementation is sound
1935 2013-05-11 06:35:40 <Arnavion> MC1984_: Yes, I do
1936 2013-05-11 06:35:46 <tumak> cjd: btw, which implementation
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1938 2013-05-11 06:35:56 <Arnavion> MC1984_: I didn't mean to imply that the slowness was _because_ of the block size
1939 2013-05-11 06:36:06 <cjd> tumak: ?
1940 2013-05-11 06:36:17 <Arnavion> MC1984_: I was using that to give a rough indicator of the block number where the slowdown starts
1941 2013-05-11 06:36:30 <Arnavion> since I don't remember the numbers now
1942 2013-05-11 06:36:33 <tumak> cjd: you suggested that issuer would be responsible for his currency, ie reverse *any* transaction of his iou to comply with AML/KYL
1943 2013-05-11 06:36:37 <justme> there is no donate button on the bitcoin.org homepage ??????
1944 2013-05-11 06:36:40 <MC1984_> it will start after the checkpoint
1945 2013-05-11 06:36:41 <tumak> cjd: how do you do that exactly?
1946 2013-05-11 06:37:05 Haifisch has joined
1947 2013-05-11 06:37:10 <justme> how do i support the developers ??
1948 2013-05-11 06:37:12 <cjd> I publish a signed json document which lists txouts which are payable
1949 2013-05-11 06:37:24 <cjd> and I remove yours if you are a thief
1950 2013-05-11 06:37:24 <MC1984_> justme only one dev is remunerated for bitcoin work
1951 2013-05-11 06:37:35 <justme> who ?
1952 2013-05-11 06:37:40 <tumak> cjd: right, but the "illegal" ious from reversed fiat might be passed between 30 people already
1953 2013-05-11 06:37:41 <MC1984_> gavin
1954 2013-05-11 06:37:57 <justme> got a bitcoin address ?
1955 2013-05-11 06:37:58 <tumak> cjd: and the attacker, who already exchanged them is ok, but you reverse innocent victim.
1956 2013-05-11 06:38:11 <MC1984_> he might have
1957 2013-05-11 06:38:21 <tumak> cjd: so you need to reverse *all* the trades too
1958 2013-05-11 06:38:22 <cjd> tumak: happens all the time, it's called chargeback
1959 2013-05-11 06:38:22 <MC1984_> so have other devs
1960 2013-05-11 06:38:31 <MC1984_> gavin is paid a salary via the foundation
1961 2013-05-11 06:38:36 <justme> i can donate by paypal or bitcoin ...his choice
1962 2013-05-11 06:38:39 <Luke-Jr> MC1984_: I think jgarzik_ is employed in Bitcoin-related work now
1963 2013-05-11 06:38:59 <MC1984_> employed by whom? foundation?
1964 2013-05-11 06:39:00 <justme> where do i donate to the system
1965 2013-05-11 06:39:03 <tumak> cjd: chargeback is banking term, we're talking about when banks chargebacks you and you must chargeback somebody in bitcoin network
1966 2013-05-11 06:39:06 <tumak> cjd: how do you do it?
1967 2013-05-11 06:39:10 <cjd> tumak: people get something and pay w/ someone else's money, then it's charged back and the seller is out the loot
1968 2013-05-11 06:39:18 <tumak> cjd: the offending ious are spread between 20 people already
1969 2013-05-11 06:39:37 <Luke-Jr> MC1984_: undisclosed AFAIK
1970 2013-05-11 06:39:51 <justme> who runs the domain name "bitcoin.org" can i donate to this firm/organization ?
1971 2013-05-11 06:39:53 <tumak> cjd: and the attacker who flipped your ious on exchange already is ok unless you reverse his trades
1972 2013-05-11 06:39:55 <MC1984_> justme you cant donate tot he system. you can donate to some o the people who look after it
1973 2013-05-11 06:40:14 <cjd> tumak: which is obviously impossible since trades are done through the chain
1974 2013-05-11 06:40:14 <MC1984_> you can donate to the foundation if you want to bankroll gavin
1975 2013-05-11 06:40:30 <tumak> cjd: yep. so your solution is for IOU issuers to bear the risk of fraud
1976 2013-05-11 06:40:34 <tumak> and banks wont let you do that
1977 2013-05-11 06:40:35 <Luke-Jr> justme: saivann currently maintains bitcoin.org; it is owned by sirius; hosted by github
1978 2013-05-11 06:40:38 <MC1984_> though some of the other devs might appreciate a little love instead
1979 2013-05-11 06:40:42 <cjd> tumak: so it's the equivilant of selling gold and being paid with a stolen credit card, you lose.
1980 2013-05-11 06:40:48 <justme> MC1984: i do not care ... i just want to help
1981 2013-05-11 06:40:54 <tumak> cjd: yep, exactly :)
1982 2013-05-11 06:41:11 * Luke-Jr thinks it'd be nice if someone hired sipa to work on Bitcoin full time ;)
1983 2013-05-11 06:41:15 <cjd> tumak: no, bank doesn't bear the risk, whoever accepts the IOU takes the risk.
1984 2013-05-11 06:41:19 <justme> MC1984: is there a list of dev's ?
1985 2013-05-11 06:41:30 <tumak> cjd: you, the bank customer, bear the risk.
1986 2013-05-11 06:41:45 <cjd> You mean IOU issuer?
1987 2013-05-11 06:41:46 <MC1984_> is there a list of core devs somewhere?
1988 2013-05-11 06:41:48 <tumak> cjd: how the iou user bears the risk? you debase your iou?
1989 2013-05-11 06:41:48 <Luke-Jr> justme: per-project
1990 2013-05-11 06:41:56 <tumak> cjd: in that case youre scammer from their pov
1991 2013-05-11 06:42:01 <cjd> yeah, I kill that particular IOU
1992 2013-05-11 06:42:06 <cjd> very typical of banking
1993 2013-05-11 06:42:09 <saivann> justme : Though I will never say no to a donation, the work of the core developers is of a much more crucial importance, if you want to choose where to put your money
1994 2013-05-11 06:42:14 <justme> yes per project or just general devs ...is there
1995 2013-05-11 06:42:14 <cjd> it's generally called a chargeback
1996 2013-05-11 06:42:27 <tumak> cjd: how can you kill it, the iou is spread in possibly hundreds of trades already
1997 2013-05-11 06:42:32 <Luke-Jr> eg for Bitcoin-Qt, https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/graphs/contributors
1998 2013-05-11 06:42:52 <tumak> cjd: if you make those particular coins "invalid", you simply deduct the balance from everyone involved
1999 2013-05-11 06:42:58 <tumak> once again, innocent people
2000 2013-05-11 06:43:03 <cjd> tumak: my design applies value to particular satoshis, I know which satoshis were associated with that stolen money, I can kill them
2001 2013-05-11 06:43:05 <tumak> and you stole their money
2002 2013-05-11 06:43:05 <justme> saivann: agree where do i donate ?
2003 2013-05-11 06:43:09 <tumak> because you got scammed
2004 2013-05-11 06:43:37 <justme> hmmmmmm
2005 2013-05-11 06:43:40 <tumak> cjd: sure, thats ok. but people wont be happy with that they bought $50 iou and tomorrow its $25
2006 2013-05-11 06:43:40 <cjd> this is exactly how chargebacks worl
2007 2013-05-11 06:43:53 <justme> just got an epiphany (not sure of spelling)
2008 2013-05-11 06:43:55 <saivann> justme : You can actually find the donation address of each developer as a signature on bitcointalk. Or you can donate to the foundation https://bitcoinfoundation.org/donate
2009 2013-05-11 06:43:55 <tumak> cjd: you might as well debase your iou then
2010 2013-05-11 06:44:03 <cjd> actually probably going to be 0 if they bought from the crook
2011 2013-05-11 06:44:17 <saivann> justme : Seems like a good idea to ask them to display a donation address on bitcoin though :-)
2012 2013-05-11 06:44:17 <Belxjander> cjd: so you wan't to allow extra forms of scamming in bitcoin ? based on the failures of the original systems?
2013 2013-05-11 06:44:19 <tumak> cjd: how can they know? the exchanges are automatic
2014 2013-05-11 06:44:25 <saivann> on bitcoin.org*
2015 2013-05-11 06:44:26 <tumak> cjd: its entirely random victim
2016 2013-05-11 06:44:53 <tumak> cjd: and you defy the whole point of p2ptrade. IOU issuers should be the gatekeepers, instead you spread the AML crap into the network
2017 2013-05-11 06:45:02 <justme> and it would be nice like all other open source software that the "foundation" recognizes donations
2018 2013-05-11 06:45:05 <saivann> justme : Many of the most active developers are displayed there : http://bitcoin.org/en/development
2019 2013-05-11 06:45:32 <justme> bookmarked ...
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2023 2013-05-11 06:45:59 <Luke-Jr> saivann: I still think that page should show all projects overview :p
2024 2013-05-11 06:46:08 <cjd> tumak: if someone came back with one of the killed IOUs they could file a police report and I'd have the ID of the person who bought it to begin with.
2025 2013-05-11 06:46:17 <justme> saivann: post a bitcoin address here .... i think you need a donation ... ty ty
2026 2013-05-11 06:46:47 <saivann> Luke-Jr : I though about adding links to most open-source clients / library there actually
2027 2013-05-11 06:46:49 <tumak> cjd: that sounds nice in theory
2028 2013-05-11 06:46:54 <cjd> tumak: I'm actually not interested in long distance banking, if someone can't walk in to my shop they're probably a scammer.
2029 2013-05-11 06:47:01 <tumak> cjd: in practice, the affected user is in thailand and youre in US
2030 2013-05-11 06:47:05 <tumak> cjd: how'd that work?
2031 2013-05-11 06:47:10 <Luke-Jr> saivann: I have a script to count LOC introduced across all Bitcoin projects I mirror
2032 2013-05-11 06:47:19 <MC1984_> mind you im not sure where foundations go aside from gavin
2033 2013-05-11 06:47:21 <cjd> I'm just not interested in a world wide service
2034 2013-05-11 06:47:26 <Luke-Jr> it must be buggy though, as it puts me at 2nd <.<
2035 2013-05-11 06:47:34 <MC1984_> they must have a couple of million dollars in coins now
2036 2013-05-11 06:47:37 <saivann> justme : Thanks! 1Gy7NYSJNUYqUdXTBow5d7bCUEJkUFDFSq
2037 2013-05-11 06:47:37 <tumak> cjd: oh, in that case youre brick & mortar cash IOU
2038 2013-05-11 06:47:42 <tumak> cjd: that is actually safe :)
2039 2013-05-11 06:47:46 <cjd> yeah
2040 2013-05-11 06:47:50 <justme> np brother ...stand bye
2041 2013-05-11 06:47:50 <cjd> more of a bank actually
2042 2013-05-11 06:47:58 <tumak> cjd: i was talking about pure banking chargeback iou issuer, which must be super careful about customers
2043 2013-05-11 06:48:18 <cjd> What I really want to do is start a bank
2044 2013-05-11 06:48:30 <saivann> Luke-Jr : Why not. I'm busy right now with improving how we handle translations on the website. After what I will focus again on content improvements
2045 2013-05-11 06:48:40 <cjd> and I'm not dealin with noone if they can't walk in my shop and gimme id :)
2046 2013-05-11 06:48:43 <justme> [starting official bitcoin.org client]
2047 2013-05-11 06:48:55 <tumak> cjd: btw, there is way to keep it balanced without getting police involved.
2048 2013-05-11 06:49:06 <cjd> ?
2049 2013-05-11 06:49:20 <tumak> cjd: iou1 gets fraud money, attacker launders via network, iou2 serves as output of fraud money
2050 2013-05-11 06:49:33 <justme> test paste of address for donation ....1Gy7NYSJNUYqUdXTBow5d7bCUEJkUFDFSq
2051 2013-05-11 06:49:36 <tumak> you have time to stop and set things straight things if iou1 and iou2 cooperates
2052 2013-05-11 06:49:41 <justme> yep that works
2053 2013-05-11 06:49:51 <cjd> tumak: iou1 and iou2 ?
2054 2013-05-11 06:50:12 <cjd> same iou, different recipients?
2055 2013-05-11 06:50:13 <saivann> justme: :)
2056 2013-05-11 06:50:16 <tumak> cjd: you're iouUSD and i'm iouEUR
2057 2013-05-11 06:50:20 <cjd> oic
2058 2013-05-11 06:50:20 <tumak> issuers
2059 2013-05-11 06:50:25 <cjd> yeah, makes sense
2060 2013-05-11 06:50:37 <cjd> but if someone commits fraud, police get involved
2061 2013-05-11 06:50:39 <cjd> that's banking
2062 2013-05-11 06:51:08 <tumak> so, criminal sends you money, you give him iouusd, he exchanges for my ioueur and i send him euros
2063 2013-05-11 06:51:14 <tumak> now you get charged back
2064 2013-05-11 06:51:15 <tumak> wat do?
2065 2013-05-11 06:51:17 <cjd> but yeah, I would be willing to cooperate with issuers overseas, just show me a police report and I'll stop the money at my end
2066 2013-05-11 06:51:58 <tumak> well, you're at loss there
2067 2013-05-11 06:52:05 <tumak> bank charged back the money
2068 2013-05-11 06:52:10 <cjd> not entirely sure, possibly put my customer's account into negative and get them arrested
2069 2013-05-11 06:52:10 <tumak> and i already sent the eurs
2070 2013-05-11 06:52:16 <tumak> so police would need to convince my eur bank
2071 2013-05-11 06:52:19 <tumak> to send eur back to me
2072 2013-05-11 06:52:27 <tumak> and i'll resettle with you
2073 2013-05-11 06:52:32 <tumak> so you're no longer at loss
2074 2013-05-11 06:52:35 <tumak> pretty complicated :/
2075 2013-05-11 06:52:51 <cjd> if you cash a bad check and western union the cash, you goto jail
2076 2013-05-11 06:53:01 <cjd> not nigerian prince
2077 2013-05-11 06:53:41 <cjd> anyway, I only want customers who I can meet face-to-face, I figure 99% of the fraud evaporates right there
2078 2013-05-11 06:53:47 <tumak> yup
2079 2013-05-11 06:53:52 <tumak> that is actually pretty safe
2080 2013-05-11 06:53:56 <justme> 1Gy7NYSJNUYqUdXTBow5d7bCUEJkUFDFSq
2081 2013-05-11 06:54:17 <justme> sent like $2.50 cdn with a transaction fee
2082 2013-05-11 06:54:20 <saivann> justme : Received, thanks!
2083 2013-05-11 06:54:29 <justme> WOW
2084 2013-05-11 06:54:30 <cjd> killing an iou is going to be bad for business in general
2085 2013-05-11 06:54:38 <tumak> cjd: in practice i think issuers will just debase their ious and will advertise that fact. that their ious will be worth less as time progresses in relation to fraud :(
2086 2013-05-11 06:54:45 <justme> DOUBLE WOW ...
2087 2013-05-11 06:54:49 <tumak> cjd: or they'll compensate with fees calculated over risk factor
2088 2013-05-11 06:54:59 <justme> i need to learn about transaction fees i think
2089 2013-05-11 06:55:07 <cjd> feed make sense if that's your goal
2090 2013-05-11 06:55:16 <justme> holy crap that was fsst
2091 2013-05-11 06:55:25 <justme> *fast
2092 2013-05-11 06:55:43 <cjd> because if I issue USD and I only accept money in the bank from people I know, my risk is low and I don't have to demerrage my currency
2093 2013-05-11 06:55:49 <tumak> cjd: assume i get defrauded of 2% of all my volume, so just strap 3% on all my iou/fiat exchanges and i'm done
2094 2013-05-11 06:55:49 <cjd> so people will all want my currency
2095 2013-05-11 06:56:14 <justme> i bookmarked all the other urls you gave me
2096 2013-05-11 06:56:16 <cjd> makes sense
2097 2013-05-11 06:56:23 <tumak> cjd: yup, low fees or no debasing
2098 2013-05-11 06:56:34 <justme> i used to pay like $100 usd per month for my online gaming
2099 2013-05-11 06:56:34 <cjd> debasing is a bad plan
2100 2013-05-11 06:56:43 <cjd> people will transfer off of your currency quick
2101 2013-05-11 06:57:04 <justme> i have no time for games now ... but i will support the network
2102 2013-05-11 06:57:19 <tumak> cjd: i think its ok if its advertised - some people might be willing to share the risk instead of trusting my judgement to hedge via fees
2103 2013-05-11 06:57:29 <cjd> hmm
2104 2013-05-11 06:57:42 <tumak> cjd: ie almost zero fees, but i'll post police reports + debase according to that - transparent
2105 2013-05-11 06:58:08 <cjd> I'd buy your coins and then trade them for mine :)
2106 2013-05-11 06:58:12 <justme> Saivann: it should have been like $2.50 cents american correct ?
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2108 2013-05-11 06:58:17 <cjd> because my coins hold value better
2109 2013-05-11 06:58:28 <tumak> cjd: no problem with that
2110 2013-05-11 06:59:00 <cjd> have a bank with an awkward rule.. gotta bring in paper cash in order to buy ious
2111 2013-05-11 06:59:04 <cjd> then they're cashcoins
2112 2013-05-11 06:59:12 <tumak> cjd: thats the magic of p2ptrade, all ious web of trust is replaced by prediction markets
2113 2013-05-11 06:59:14 <saivann> justme : I've started a private conversation with you if you wish
2114 2013-05-11 06:59:27 <cjd> and gotta have a damn brinx truck pull up every hour to take them away
2115 2013-05-11 06:59:32 <justme> oh ... kk looking for tabs
2116 2013-05-11 07:00:01 <cjd> but I'm not even that interested in cashcoins
2117 2013-05-11 07:00:08 <cjd> I'm more interested in equitycoins
2118 2013-05-11 07:00:35 <tumak> cjd: that will take a little more while imo
2119 2013-05-11 07:00:44 <tumak> cjd: regular folk are not that familiar with capital markets
2120 2013-05-11 07:00:53 <tumak> they can hardly wrap around their head about forex
2121 2013-05-11 07:00:57 <cjd> right indeed
2122 2013-05-11 07:01:01 <tumak> so first, huge forex volume is to be expected at first
2123 2013-05-11 07:01:05 <cjd> but we take away the hard parts
2124 2013-05-11 07:01:07 <tumak> then hopefully, capital markets will come too
2125 2013-05-11 07:01:25 <cjd> see I want local
2126 2013-05-11 07:01:35 <cjd> too much fraud when everything is globalized
2127 2013-05-11 07:01:49 <cjd> I *know* that my local coffee shop owner is a good guy, I met him
2128 2013-05-11 07:02:20 <cjd> and I'd be willing to throw my spending money into his business
2129 2013-05-11 07:02:31 <tumak> cjd: and lets say i know you enough over irc and trust your judgement coffe guy is good
2130 2013-05-11 07:02:41 <tumak> so i'll invest in his stock based on that judgement
2131 2013-05-11 07:02:49 <cjd> meh
2132 2013-05-11 07:02:52 <tumak> thats actually sound way to run global markets w/o fraud
2133 2013-05-11 07:02:56 <gmaxwell> friendly reminder, this channel is for bitcoin development; we have a bunch of other channels. If the channel is flooded with barely ontopic banter it reduces access for people trying to figure out whats going on in development land. I went out for the evening and have returned to about 50 pages of discussion, about one of which was ontopic.
2134 2013-05-11 07:03:16 <cjd> is colorcoin stuff ok?
2135 2013-05-11 07:03:17 <tumak> gmaxwell: good point
2136 2013-05-11 07:03:42 <tumak> cjd: i guess it should go into #bitcoinx, or whatever protocol of your choice :)
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2138 2013-05-11 07:05:23 <Neozonz> Anyone have any tips on decreasing stales/doa on a p2pool node?
2139 2013-05-11 07:05:56 <gmaxwell> Neozonz: join #p2pool I'm sure you'll get lots of advice there!
2140 2013-05-11 07:06:12 <Neozonz> Oh hello gmaxwell :)
2141 2013-05-11 07:06:19 <SomeoneWeird> colorcoin stuff is fine here, imo
2142 2013-05-11 07:06:29 <Neozonz> I read alot of your comments on github just 10 minutes ago :D
2143 2013-05-11 07:07:02 <Neozonz> gmaxwell, p2pool is dead these days- that's why I thought I'd try here :)
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2145 2013-05-11 07:08:09 <gmaxwell> Neozonz: what is your current stale rate? If its typical for the network there probably isn't anything to do and you're doing fine.
2146 2013-05-11 07:08:22 <Neozonz> www.mine-litecoin.com
2147 2013-05-11 07:08:22 <gmaxwell> The efficiency number reported by p2pool itself is whats actually important.
2148 2013-05-11 07:08:42 <gmaxwell> oh jesus, you're asking about litecoin ... try #litecoin
2149 2013-05-11 07:08:44 <Neozonz> 32% DoA
2150 2013-05-11 07:09:05 <gmaxwell> sounds really high but I have no clue what litecoin is like.
2151 2013-05-11 07:09:09 <Neozonz> lol- the logic is pretty much the same ;)
2152 2013-05-11 07:09:10 <weex> or #litecoin-dev
2153 2013-05-11 07:09:26 <Neozonz> all forked from bitcoin
2154 2013-05-11 07:09:54 <gmaxwell> Neozonz: seriously, if litecoin doesn't have enough of a technical community to support you.... sounds like a reason not to use it.
2155 2013-05-11 07:10:14 <MC1984_> gmaxwell http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma5krdBh3P1rwe6ato1_400.gif
2156 2013-05-11 07:10:23 <gmaxwell> And no, it's not the sameâ twiddling around with the network parameters changes the behavior a lot. And the litecoin software is forked off an old and slow copy of bitcoin.
2157 2013-05-11 07:10:59 <Neozonz> slow?
2158 2013-05-11 07:11:08 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: to be fair, coblee said he's almost done with 0.8.1 port
2159 2013-05-11 07:11:18 <Neozonz> :O
2160 2013-05-11 07:11:23 <Neozonz> Luke-Jr in here too
2161 2013-05-11 07:11:43 <Neozonz> it's like watching bitcoin celebs
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2164 2013-05-11 07:12:33 <Luke-Jr> ._.
2165 2013-05-11 07:15:03 <gmaxwell> Neozonz: in any case, as I said, p2pool efficiency is what you need to watch. If its poor (e.g. <100%) then you should try to figure out whats making your setup more latent than other people.
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2168 2013-05-11 07:15:59 <Neozonz> ok thx!
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2175 2013-05-11 07:22:25 <Plarkplark_> Hi
2176 2013-05-11 07:22:42 <Plarkplark_> If i generate a privatekey/address combo, won't the privatekey ever change?
2177 2013-05-11 07:22:46 <Plarkplark_> like... never?
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2179 2013-05-11 07:23:21 <sipa_> Plarkplark_: indeed, but a wallet consists of many keypair
2180 2013-05-11 07:23:36 <sipa_> and new keypairs are generated every time you do transactions
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2183 2013-05-11 07:30:47 <Luke-Jr> Plarkplark_: privkey/address should only be used once
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2192 2013-05-11 07:53:51 <JDuke128> hello , i m using bitcoinj , i can receive when i get bitcoin. Like ; "public synchronized void onCoinsReceived(Wallet w, Transaction tx, BigInteger prevBalance, BigInteger newBalance)" i can get sender address by ; final TransactionInput input = tx2.getInputs().get(0); final Address from = input.getFromAddress(); but how can i get who ( which bit coin address ) received this money ?
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2196 2013-05-11 07:59:01 <Plarkplark_> sipa_ but there is only 1 keypair yes? because if I only use 1 address
2197 2013-05-11 07:59:03 <Plarkplark_> What i mean:
2198 2013-05-11 07:59:26 <Plarkplark_> If i create an offline keypair and put in the vault. Transfer BTC there for safekeeping am I safe?
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2200 2013-05-11 08:00:03 <Plarkplark_> <sipa_> and new keypairs are generated every time you do transactions
2201 2013-05-11 08:00:30 <Plarkplark_> not to my understanding, if I send it does not generate, and if I use 1 address of receiving there is no new key, is there?
2202 2013-05-11 08:04:06 <JDuke128> Plarkplark_ , i m new
2203 2013-05-11 08:04:07 <JDuke128> sorry
2204 2013-05-11 08:04:14 <JDuke128> i donno
2205 2013-05-11 08:04:20 <JDuke128> hello , i m using bitcoinj , i can receive when i get bitcoin. Like ; "public synchronized void onCoinsReceived(Wallet w, Transaction tx, BigInteger prevBalance, BigInteger newBalance)" i can get sender address by ; final TransactionInput input = tx2.getInputs().get(0); final Address from = input.getFromAddress(); but how can i get who ( which bit coin address ) received this money ?
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2217 2013-05-11 08:32:45 <sipa_> Plarkplark_: read this first: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Change
2218 2013-05-11 08:33:13 <sipa_> Plarkplark_: addresses are used to receive coins, but every time you send coins somewhere, the "change" (read the link) is sent back to a _new_ address of your own
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2237 2013-05-11 09:17:00 <Plarkplark_> sipa_ are you sure?
2238 2013-05-11 09:17:04 <Plarkplark_> I tested it
2239 2013-05-11 09:17:09 <Plarkplark_> Created a new wallet
2240 2013-05-11 09:17:11 <Plarkplark_> Send 1 BTC
2241 2013-05-11 09:17:15 <Plarkplark_> Then send .5 BTC
2242 2013-05-11 09:17:20 <Plarkplark_> from that wallet
2243 2013-05-11 09:17:26 <Plarkplark_> destroyed the wallet
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2245 2013-05-11 09:17:32 <Plarkplark_> imported the privkey. .5 BTC
2246 2013-05-11 09:17:46 <Plarkplark_> <sipa_> Plarkplark_: addresses are used to receive coins, but every time you send coins somewhere, the "change" (read the link) is sent back to a _new_ address of your own
2247 2013-05-11 09:17:57 <Plarkplark_> Even after sending there is still 1 Privatekey.... ?
2248 2013-05-11 09:18:00 <gmaxwell> Plarkplark_: sounds like broken client software.
2249 2013-05-11 09:18:04 <sipa_> Plarkplark_: which client?
2250 2013-05-11 09:18:09 <Plarkplark_> bitcoin-qt
2251 2013-05-11 09:18:10 <gmaxwell> Bitcoin(-qt) won't behave that way.
2252 2013-05-11 09:18:28 <gmaxwell> Or you imported the address you sent the .5 btc too.
2253 2013-05-11 09:18:43 <Luke-Jr> or his transaction simply didn't confirm yet
2254 2013-05-11 09:18:51 <Plarkplark_> Wallet with 1 BTC> Send .5 BTC to another (friend).
2255 2013-05-11 09:18:58 <Plarkplark_> Destroyed wallet (renamed)
2256 2013-05-11 09:19:02 <Plarkplark_> New wallet
2257 2013-05-11 09:19:10 <Plarkplark_> Imported the privkey in the wallet, rescanned
2258 2013-05-11 09:19:15 <Plarkplark_> Balance .5
2259 2013-05-11 09:19:25 <gmaxwell> Whats the transaction ID of "Send .5 BTC to another" (or just the address you sent it to)
2260 2013-05-11 09:19:32 <sipa_> my guess is that the transaction simply didn't confirm yet
2261 2013-05-11 09:19:38 <Plarkplark_> it's an LTC transaction btw (dont shoot me)
2262 2013-05-11 09:19:44 <sipa_> and you'll soon have 0 LTC
2263 2013-05-11 09:20:08 <Plarkplark_> ok.
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2265 2013-05-11 09:20:18 <Plarkplark_> So an export (getprivkey) is not enough?
2266 2013-05-11 09:20:18 <gmaxwell> or god knows LTC software might be broken in some random way.
2267 2013-05-11 09:20:20 <Luke-Jr> Plarkplark_: this is #bitcoin-dev
2268 2013-05-11 09:20:25 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: probably not unlikely
2269 2013-05-11 09:20:34 <sipa_> Plarkplark_: it's enough to get the key for one address
2270 2013-05-11 09:20:41 <sipa_> Plarkplark_: it's not enough to backup a wallet
2271 2013-05-11 09:20:53 <cjd> or that guy who's been holding down the whole ltc network for the past week...
2272 2013-05-11 09:21:03 <sipa_> either you manage your wallet key-per-key (and _really_ understand how wallets work)
2273 2013-05-11 09:21:16 <sipa_> or you do things at the wallet level and make your life easy
2274 2013-05-11 09:21:22 <Plarkplark_> But that is what blockchain.info seems to say. HAving the privatekey of an recieving address is enough?
2275 2013-05-11 09:21:43 <llop> lol
2276 2013-05-11 09:21:52 <Plarkplark_> It's the same client... :\
2277 2013-05-11 09:22:03 <Luke-Jr> no, it isn't.
2278 2013-05-11 09:22:03 <Plarkplark_> Well the method anyway.
2279 2013-05-11 09:22:08 <SomeoneWeird> nope
2280 2013-05-11 09:22:12 <gmaxwell> It is not. The litecoin software is a modified fork of an old version.
2281 2013-05-11 09:22:12 <cjd> except for that backdoor
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2283 2013-05-11 09:22:26 <sipa_> Plarkplark_: having the private key to a receive address is enough to access coins sent to that address, yes
2284 2013-05-11 09:22:36 <Plarkplark_> ah
2285 2013-05-11 09:22:41 <Plarkplark_> and I only have 1 address. so.
2286 2013-05-11 09:22:50 <sipa_> no, you have 1 _receive_ address
2287 2013-05-11 09:22:54 <Plarkplark_> (which, i know, is not best practice)
2288 2013-05-11 09:23:03 <sipa_> your wallet internally uses many more addresses
2289 2013-05-11 09:23:07 <Plarkplark_> And that privatekey never changes, right?
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2291 2013-05-11 09:23:11 <gmaxwell> None of us are especially competent about its state any anything we might say about bitcoin may or may not apply. Besides, do you really want to be using some cryptocurrency so poorly supported that you need to go ask the developers of another one for support? :(
2292 2013-05-11 09:23:42 <sipa_> Plarkplark_: yes, but i think you're missing the point and will shoot yourself in the foot soon
2293 2013-05-11 09:24:09 <sipa_> and indeed, go ask LTC people
2294 2013-05-11 09:24:18 <Plarkplark_> Wallet A has 1 address and has .1 BTC
2295 2013-05-11 09:24:28 <Plarkplark_> I send .05 BTC to wallet X (some random person)
2296 2013-05-11 09:24:36 <sipa_> i can only explain how BTC works; it's up to you to judge whether it holds for other software
2297 2013-05-11 09:24:39 <Luke-Jr> sipa_: LTC people don't know generally. just coblee, and even he avoids talking to the regular LTC users..
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2299 2013-05-11 09:24:58 <Plarkplark_> THen, i export the one private key I have.
2300 2013-05-11 09:25:02 <Plarkplark_> Then I destroy the wallet.dat
2301 2013-05-11 09:25:14 <sipa_> Plarkplark_: the result is that you'll have 0 BTC at address A, 0.05 BTC at address X, and 0.95 at some hidden change address C
2302 2013-05-11 09:25:26 <Plarkplark_> Ok. Then I setup a new wallet (with a generated pub/priv pair) and import the key. Rescan.
2303 2013-05-11 09:25:29 <Plarkplark_> Why?
2304 2013-05-11 09:25:35 <sipa_> Read the link I gave you.
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2306 2013-05-11 09:26:02 <Plarkplark_> But there is no fundemental difference.
2307 2013-05-11 09:26:15 <sipa> Between?
2308 2013-05-11 09:26:18 <llop> it's just the way the client works at the moment
2309 2013-05-11 09:26:43 <Luke-Jr> llop: well, it's not like it can work much differently in this respect
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2312 2013-05-11 09:26:53 <Luke-Jr> without breaking things
2313 2013-05-11 09:27:00 <sipa> It certainly can; whether it should is something else.
2314 2013-05-11 09:27:12 <Plarkplark_> I case of Electrum: how can the seed ever be enough to sync bac kthe client?
2315 2013-05-11 09:27:13 <llop> couldn't you send back the change to the same address? -- I think it's better the way it is though
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2317 2013-05-11 09:27:20 <Plarkplark_> The seed is just that: the private key seed
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2319 2013-05-11 09:27:40 <gmaxwell> Plarkplark_: You're sitting here arguing with the developers of the Bitcoin software, who are telling you how it works... but then also insisting that litecoin works the same way. You can't have both. Either you're wrong about how it works, or litecoin is working differently... as its really unlikely that we're wrong about the bitcoin software.
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2321 2013-05-11 09:28:11 <Luke-Jr> llop: using an address more than once is Harmfulâ¢
2322 2013-05-11 09:28:11 <Plarkplark_> Ill test some more. :\
2323 2013-05-11 09:28:19 * sipa afk
2324 2013-05-11 09:28:43 <Luke-Jr> Plarkplark_: the seed is just a seed. it isn't used as a private key
2325 2013-05-11 09:28:49 <Plarkplark_> yes it is
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2327 2013-05-11 09:28:55 <Luke-Jr> it's used to create numerous "child" private keys
2328 2013-05-11 09:28:56 <gmaxwell> jesus
2329 2013-05-11 09:28:59 <Plarkplark_> the privatekey is rebuild with the seed with multiple loops
2330 2013-05-11 09:29:07 <Plarkplark_> then 5 privkeys are made.
2331 2013-05-11 09:29:10 <Plarkplark_> or 6
2332 2013-05-11 09:29:12 <Plarkplark_> dunno
2333 2013-05-11 09:29:12 <Luke-Jr> my point exactly
2334 2013-05-11 09:29:16 <Plarkplark_> ok so.
2335 2013-05-11 09:29:17 <gmaxwell> Plarkplark_: are you hear to learn something, or just to argue with people?
2336 2013-05-11 09:29:24 <coingenuity> Plarkplark_: how come the transaction i sent via my ixcoin client isnt working?
2337 2013-05-11 09:29:30 <Plarkplark_> I want to learn, I just don't understand.
2338 2013-05-11 09:29:37 <Luke-Jr> /kick coingenuity
2339 2013-05-11 09:29:39 <Luke-Jr> :p
2340 2013-05-11 09:29:50 <coingenuity> lmao
2341 2013-05-11 09:30:03 <gmaxwell> coingenuity: When I start my truck sometimes there is a belt slipping sound, but only with the headlights on. What should I do??????
2342 2013-05-11 09:30:15 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: O.o
2343 2013-05-11 09:30:20 <coingenuity> gmaxwell: try hitting the flux capacitor with a long stick
2344 2013-05-11 09:30:25 <Plarkplark_> If this is the face of BTC-dev. then. we are fucked.
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2346 2013-05-11 09:30:52 <Luke-Jr> Plarkplark_: bitcoin-dev has no face. it's an internal channel for developers, public for transparency
2347 2013-05-11 09:31:05 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: ^ sound about right?
2348 2013-05-11 09:31:18 <jouke> gmaxwell: first check for radiator leakage, as the cooling liquid might reduce the friction
2349 2013-05-11 09:31:19 <Plarkplark_> There are no good arguments in the way it works. imho
2350 2013-05-11 09:31:21 <gmaxwell> Plarkplark_: You've been fairly discourteous here, and yet you've been given solid answers... even though you're asking about some other software.
2351 2013-05-11 09:31:25 <coingenuity> Plarkplark_: bro, this is bitcoin-dev not litecoin-dev.. i'm sure if your questions were more in tune with bitcoin development as opposed to litecoin you'd get a lot more information
2352 2013-05-11 09:31:35 <jouke> gmaxwell: :P
2353 2013-05-11 09:31:40 <Plarkplark_> Im fireing up bitcoin now, i want to know how this works.
2354 2013-05-11 09:31:50 <coingenuity> but you're kind of asking a bunch of japanese dudes how to make chinese food, if you catch my drift
2355 2013-05-11 09:31:51 <Luke-Jr> Plarkplark_: you've been told how it works
2356 2013-05-11 09:31:56 <Plarkplark_> Im sure i restored btc wallets that have numerous transcations in/out with just the private key (1)
2357 2013-05-11 09:32:00 <gmaxwell> Plarkplark_: you've been told how it works⦠and even directed to a nice wikipage which explains it too.
2358 2013-05-11 09:32:23 <Luke-Jr> Plarkplark_: you haven't, if you're talking about Bitcoin-Qt
2359 2013-05-11 09:32:29 <Plarkplark_> Yes
2360 2013-05-11 09:32:36 <jouke> Plarkplark_: maybe multibit wallets?
2361 2013-05-11 09:32:39 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: none of them may have involved change, so you know thats possible.
2362 2013-05-11 09:32:45 <Plarkplark_> no normale wallet, 1 address 1 key.
2363 2013-05-11 09:33:31 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: considering the person, and the phrase "numerous transactions", I think it's highly improbable
2364 2013-05-11 09:33:36 <Plarkplark_> And why: Because I currently have a lot of btc on blockchain. The backup they provide is just 1 public keu (address and 1 private key.
2365 2013-05-11 09:33:53 <Plarkplark_> So you're telling me that having this key combo is not enough, because of the "change" method?
2366 2013-05-11 09:33:57 <gmaxwell> ...
2367 2013-05-11 09:34:05 <Plarkplark_> blockchain.info
2368 2013-05-11 09:34:08 <Luke-Jr> Plarkplark_: now you sound like you're confusing the blockchain with a webwallet known as blockchain.info
2369 2013-05-11 09:34:17 <Luke-Jr> the latter of which has nothing to do with Bitcoin-Qt
2370 2013-05-11 09:34:25 * gmaxwell gives up
2371 2013-05-11 09:34:30 <Plarkplark_> If I import the privatekey in the wallet it works fine :)
2372 2013-05-11 09:34:56 <jouke> Plarkplark_: so you are not using the "normal" wallet. You are using the blockchain.info wallet
2373 2013-05-11 09:35:39 <Plarkplark_> Ill setup a test, if I'm wrong I'm wrong. :\
2374 2013-05-11 09:36:10 <jouke> Please tell us your test setup first.
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2376 2013-05-11 09:37:38 <Plarkplark_> I'll make a wallet. fill it with .1 bt
2377 2013-05-11 09:37:52 <Plarkplark_> then send .05 to person X (random somewhere - not part of test)
2378 2013-05-11 09:37:57 <Plarkplark_> Then delete the wallet
2379 2013-05-11 09:38:11 <Plarkplark_> Then import the privkey export (1 address, so 1 privkey)
2380 2013-05-11 09:38:17 <Plarkplark_> Im sure: ill have .05 left.
2381 2013-05-11 09:38:27 <llop> lol
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2383 2013-05-11 09:38:32 <Luke-Jr> you can send .05 to 3P14159f73E4gFr7JterCCQh9QjiTjiZrG
2384 2013-05-11 09:38:43 <Plarkplark_> that's a testnet addr?
2385 2013-05-11 09:38:44 <cjd> xD
2386 2013-05-11 09:38:48 <Luke-Jr> Plarkplark_: no, main bitcoin
2387 2013-05-11 09:38:49 <gmaxwell> no, its a bitcoin address.
2388 2013-05-11 09:38:57 <Plarkplark_> 3?
2389 2013-05-11 09:39:18 <Plarkplark_> ok if you send it back later keep the fee :P
2390 2013-05-11 09:39:32 <jouke> Plarkplark_: what program will you use to make a wallet?
2391 2013-05-11 09:39:39 <Plarkplark_> bitcoin-qt vanilla
2392 2013-05-11 09:40:11 <gmaxwell> I prefer the cherry flavor.
2393 2013-05-11 09:40:15 <cjd> if you want litecoin like behavior you'll have to use bitcoin like 0.6 without any of the security patches
2394 2013-05-11 09:40:18 <jouke> Ok. Make a backup before you delete the wallet ;P
2395 2013-05-11 09:40:35 <Luke-Jr> I also prefer the cherry flavour.
2396 2013-05-11 09:41:05 <Luke-Jr> cjd: no historical version ever behaved the way he expects
2397 2013-05-11 09:41:10 <Plarkplark_> (need to catch up with blockchain first ;) )
2398 2013-05-11 09:41:45 <cjd> Luke-Jr: maybe it behaves differently when it's under a massive attack ;)
2399 2013-05-11 09:41:55 <jouke> could it be that he somehow didn't do a rescan of the wallet?
2400 2013-05-11 09:42:22 <Plarkplark_> yeh i forgot to mention I did after import of privkey
2401 2013-05-11 09:42:25 <jouke> after deleting the wallet and creating a new one.
2402 2013-05-11 09:42:29 <Plarkplark_> having 2 address (default generated + imported)
2403 2013-05-11 09:42:37 <Luke-Jr> jouke: rescan hasn't been needed since like 0.6
2404 2013-05-11 09:42:58 <cjd> ^^so litecoin needs it xD
2405 2013-05-11 09:43:15 <Plarkplark_> Let's keep ltc's viability out of the discussion.
2406 2013-05-11 09:43:27 <Luke-Jr> Let's keep ltc out of the discussion.
2407 2013-05-11 09:43:32 <Plarkplark_> indeed pls
2408 2013-05-11 09:43:39 <cjd> hehehe
2409 2013-05-11 09:44:08 <Plarkplark_> ugh. this is going to take a while ;) well ill report back later. thanks for the help
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2411 2013-05-11 09:47:08 <sipa> jouke: rescan will never result in reporting more than available, only less
2412 2013-05-11 09:47:15 <sipa> *failing to rescan
2413 2013-05-11 09:47:57 <sipa> my guess is that all attempts by Plarkplark_ are either not yet confirmed or were with integral coins that didn't need change
2414 2013-05-11 09:50:31 <sipa> jouke: hmm, as of 0.8, i may be wrong
2415 2013-05-11 09:51:27 <gmaxwell> sipa: hurray for spentness indication
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2459 2013-05-11 11:04:19 <sacarlson> I just noted the have a bitcoin app for android. how do they get android to handle the 1.6gB chain download and run from that? is there a way now that you don't need to have the whole block chain to run a client?
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2461 2013-05-11 11:06:09 <Zx82> Any help >>>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16285218/bitcoin-op-checksig-in-python
2462 2013-05-11 11:06:13 <Tykling> it's called a thin client, it trusts a server which has the complete chain to do it's validation
2463 2013-05-11 11:06:20 <Tykling> sacarlson: ^
2464 2013-05-11 11:06:32 <sipa> Tykling: no, it's an SPV node
2465 2013-05-11 11:06:52 <sipa> it means it validates the block headers, but not the transactuions
2466 2013-05-11 11:07:03 <sipa> it doesn't use a central server
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2468 2013-05-11 11:07:14 <Tykling> some of the mobile clients do, no ?
2469 2013-05-11 11:07:20 <sacarlson> Tykling: oh so it's not really running bitcoin just a https to a server to transact then.
2470 2013-05-11 11:07:21 <sipa> Tykling: yes
2471 2013-05-11 11:07:46 <sipa> sacarlson: no, it's flocal bitcoin inplementation that talks to the normal p2p network
2472 2013-05-11 11:08:02 <sacarlson> sipa: oh ok
2473 2013-05-11 11:08:35 <sacarlson> sipa: is there an implementation then for a standard linux distrubution?
2474 2013-05-11 11:08:44 <sipa> sacarlson: multibit
2475 2013-05-11 11:08:55 <sipa> uses the same mechanism
2476 2013-05-11 11:08:56 <sacarlson> sipa: cool I'll take a look
2477 2013-05-11 11:09:43 <sipa> also, the blockchain is 7 gb or so now
2478 2013-05-11 11:09:44 <SomeoneWeird> or electrum
2479 2013-05-11 11:09:56 <sipa> electrum uses a central server
2480 2013-05-11 11:10:06 <sipa> though it does similar local checking now
2481 2013-05-11 11:10:35 <SomeoneWeird> mm, yeah
2482 2013-05-11 11:11:08 <sacarlson> sipa: oh ya I've been gone a long time 7Gb wow too big, I was thinking of a ledger system to just cut the chain for portable use but seems a better way has already been found
2483 2013-05-11 11:11:38 <sipa> spv was described in satoshi's paper
2484 2013-05-11 11:11:44 <sipa> it's far from a new idea
2485 2013-05-11 11:13:16 <gmaxwell> sacarlson: wow, you're back from the dead? no one around now remembers beertoken and weeds anymore. Now that altcoins are such a huge craze you should spin them back up and make a quick buck. :P
2486 2013-05-11 11:13:32 <sipa> though bloom filtering is recent
2487 2013-05-11 11:14:10 <gmaxwell> [OT] lol: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=40.0
2488 2013-05-11 11:14:59 <sipa> ot indeed!
2489 2013-05-11 11:15:06 <kinlo> heh
2490 2013-05-11 11:15:12 <kinlo> nice work :)
2491 2013-05-11 11:15:38 <gmaxwell> conman did report to moderator on most of them, I just clicked a bunch.
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2493 2013-05-11 11:18:13 <sacarlson> gmaxwell: altcoins? is that a new coin I don't know of or is that all alternate coins? yes I got into my aircraft designs with FPV and lost interest in crypto currency but was just offered some work on some things here so thought I would brush up
2494 2013-05-11 11:18:28 <kinlo> sacarlson: all alternate coins
2495 2013-05-11 11:18:31 <SomeoneWeird> LOL
2496 2013-05-11 11:18:32 <kinlo> all nonbitcoin
2497 2013-05-11 11:18:34 <SomeoneWeird> jesus gmaxwell
2498 2013-05-11 11:18:57 <sacarlson> kinlo: ok thanks
2499 2013-05-11 11:19:58 <Zx82> Any help ???? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16285218/bitcoin-op-checksig-in-python
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2507 2013-05-11 11:28:24 <sacarlson> ok remind me of what all I forgot the problems would be if I created a new coin with 30 second estimated block rate if I used the Litecoin hash scritpt?
2508 2013-05-11 11:28:57 <sacarlson> I expect it will branch so often it will become useless
2509 2013-05-11 11:29:00 <gmaxwell> why bother asking? no one else does.
2510 2013-05-11 11:29:23 <gmaxwell> omg. you actually thought more than 5 seconds before making a modification. I don't know if you're cut out for this altcoin thing after all. :P
2511 2013-05-11 11:29:43 <sacarlson> well if no one else does then I won't find the answer gmaxwell
2512 2013-05-11 11:30:21 <gmaxwell> several coins have cranked the timers way down and caught fire. I'm not sure that any have done 30 seconds specifically.
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2514 2013-05-11 11:30:40 <gmaxwell> e.g. look for "liquid coin"
2515 2013-05-11 11:30:59 <sacarlson> gmaxwell: I'm looking at Litecoin now with 2.5 minuets
2516 2013-05-11 11:31:29 <sacarlson> gmaxwell: they just muliplied bitcoin by 4 so I was going to muliply them by 4
2517 2013-05-11 11:31:32 <MC1984_> why do we need another coin
2518 2013-05-11 11:31:58 <sacarlson> MC1984_: why do we even need bitcoin
2519 2013-05-11 11:32:12 <MC1984_> because the banks are shit or something
2520 2013-05-11 11:32:39 <MC1984_> some has already taken litecoin and x4 that MF again its called feathercoin
2521 2013-05-11 11:32:42 <sacarlson> MC1984_: ok that's a good reason but some people want faster transaction times
2522 2013-05-11 11:33:02 <MC1984_> there is no faster transaction times jesus christ
2523 2013-05-11 11:33:40 <MC1984_> how can people be starting thier own coins based on fundamental misunderstandings of what normal old boring ass bitcoin does
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2528 2013-05-11 11:33:56 <sacarlson> MC1984_: You call 10 minuets for bitcoin fast?
2529 2013-05-11 11:33:58 <MC1984_> devs plz obfusicate all the code thx
2530 2013-05-11 11:35:28 <sacarlson> MC1984_: I've been asked to produce a faster coin that can be used to buy a coke in a coke machine or candy in the candy store
2531 2013-05-11 11:36:14 <MC1984_> the blocktimes are a lie
2532 2013-05-11 11:36:18 <MC1984_> meditate on it
2533 2013-05-11 11:37:17 <sacarlson> MC1984_: so you can buy a soda with bitcoins then?
2534 2013-05-11 11:37:47 <gmaxwell> Making the blocks faster doesn't magically decrease the time to irreversibility on it ownâ in fact it can have the opposite effect.
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2538 2013-05-11 11:38:44 <MC1984_> id say yes, if i was running a business selling soda from machines, i could eat the double spends as cost of doing business with bitcoin
2539 2013-05-11 11:38:45 <MC1984_> maybe
2540 2013-05-11 11:39:12 <gmaxwell> sacarlson: you can, in fact. In a whole half dozen different ways. Including the fact that the risk of doublespending soda theft (and the cost of it should it happen) is likely low enough to not worry about; or that bitcoin denominated transactions don't necessarily have to involve the bitcoin network.
2541 2013-05-11 11:39:15 <sacarlson> gmaxwell: true but hopefully it will have some psychological effect when you see the first verify in 15 secounds
2542 2013-05-11 11:39:49 <MC1984_> >psychological effect
2543 2013-05-11 11:39:54 <gmaxwell> sacarlson: and a greater one when you see 10 block reorganizations take it away.
2544 2013-05-11 11:39:56 <MC1984_> operative phrase there
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2547 2013-05-11 11:42:12 <sacarlson> gmaxwell: I know I"ve seen it happen to myself on testnet that happen to split durring my transaction where my funds magicly disapeared the next day
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2553 2013-05-11 11:44:36 <sacarlson> But this is what my employer wants. a semi secure faster coin, to be used for smaller purchases, I've chosen ppcoin as my base to modify with added features of Litecoin, If we can only get it to run at 2.4 minuets so be it
2554 2013-05-11 11:44:55 <sipa> log2_work = 70.001 \o/
2555 2013-05-11 11:45:19 <sipa> and the universe still exists
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2559 2013-05-11 11:50:12 <sacarlson> oh i missed this from mc1984: 06:15:53 PM) MC1984_: id say yes, if i was running a business selling soda from machines, i could eat the double spends as cost of doing business with bitcoin
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2561 2013-05-11 11:51:03 <sacarlson> as I recall with my exchange I couldn't even detect a coin transaction in my website unless at least one block was seen to verify it
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2563 2013-05-11 11:51:18 <MC1984_> sipa were you expecting things to catch fire?
2564 2013-05-11 11:51:25 <gmaxwell> MC1984_: yes, http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2595#comic
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2569 2013-05-11 11:52:58 <MC1984_> heh
2570 2013-05-11 11:53:05 <jgm> sacarlson: You do realise that time to confirm is probabilistic right? Regardless of you picking 2 minutes or whatever as a chance it will commonly take a lot longer.
2571 2013-05-11 11:53:23 <sacarlson> jgm: yes
2572 2013-05-11 11:53:28 <MC1984_> thats not even the problem with the scheme
2573 2013-05-11 11:53:52 <gmaxwell> sacarlson: as far as your exchange, that was just inexpert use of the software... there is no need for blocks to know a broadcasted txn existsâ otherwise how would they get into blocks?
2574 2013-05-11 11:53:54 <MC1984_> block times do one thing only as far as i can see, determine how much time your system has to converge itself
2575 2013-05-11 11:54:17 <MC1984_> 10 minutes seems a good time for future proofing
2576 2013-05-11 11:55:40 <sacarlson> gmaxwell: I do recall that in my graphic bitcoin client that seemed in seconds I would see a transaction that was not verified so there must be a way to setup a website or coke machine to ignore required block before purchase
2577 2013-05-11 11:56:15 <sacarlson> at risk of not getting paid but so be it
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2579 2013-05-11 11:56:41 <jgm> If you're just selling soda then I wouldn't even bother worrying about confirmations. The effort of double spending to pick up a soda seems... excessive
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2581 2013-05-11 11:57:28 <sacarlson> jgm: yes that's sounds right so I should focus on bypass of confirmation on the server or coke machine side
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2583 2013-05-11 12:00:04 <jgm> sacarlson: depends how you're building it but if it were me I'd get a signed transaction from the customer for the coke (at the dispenser), confirm the transaction is valid, and give it to them
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2585 2013-05-11 12:01:57 <sacarlson> jgm: singed transaction does that require waiting for the next block? I don't want the poor man to die of thirst waiting for that to happen
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2587 2013-05-11 12:03:08 <tholenst> I'm thinking since a while... could I somehow make a transaction which says: "If you find a double spend of txout A, then this transaction can be used, using as input txout B" -- and then I give you this, and broadcast a transaction giving you money from txout A
2588 2013-05-11 12:03:09 <gmaxwell> MC1984_: RE comic, see also "Luminious" and "Dark integers" by Greg Egan. (geesh. took me forever to remember the names of those books, even though my initial guess as to the author was right)
2589 2013-05-11 12:03:10 <sacarlson> jgm: if not than I agree that's the way to go
2590 2013-05-11 12:04:18 <jgm> Nope you can confirm that the transaction is valid and signed immediately, although you will need your dispensers to pick up info on new blocks as they are mined. But you're going to need 'net connectivity for them anyway (and isn't everything 'net connected by now?)
2591 2013-05-11 12:04:40 <MC1984_> right o
2592 2013-05-11 12:05:38 <MC1984_> sacarlson this will work even better if some sort of DS signalling thing is worked out, right now theyre just dropped
2593 2013-05-11 12:06:00 <MC1984_> might even be fast enough to hold the vend in the event of suspected shenanigans
2594 2013-05-11 12:06:13 <gmaxwell> ([continuing that OT tangent] This website seems like a source of fun: http://kasmana.people.cofc.edu/MATHFICT/mfview.php?callnumber=mf19)
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2596 2013-05-11 12:07:25 <MC1984_> id expect the machine to tell you to go away and refund you later after confs in that situation, or perhaps not if you did try to screw it
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2607 2013-05-11 12:15:31 <MC1984_> well these book synopsises seem good, but i hope i can brain them
2608 2013-05-11 12:15:42 <MC1984_> wont know unless i try
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2650 2013-05-11 13:06:53 <MC1984_> christ my computer clock is losing ~25 seconds a week is that bad
2651 2013-05-11 13:09:05 <buZz> arent you glad they invented NTP back in the 80s
2652 2013-05-11 13:14:52 <MC1984_> yes but damn hell is wrong with my quartz
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2662 2013-05-11 13:33:41 <diki> If there is any bitcointalk moderator here, better go to Altcoin subforum and look at what happened
2663 2013-05-11 13:33:46 <diki> an alt-coin had a wallet stealer in it
2664 2013-05-11 13:34:24 <kaptah> is that verified
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2667 2013-05-11 13:34:54 <diki> tons of information
2668 2013-05-11 13:34:56 <SomeoneWeird> diki link
2669 2013-05-11 13:34:57 <diki> YACoin apparently
2670 2013-05-11 13:35:03 <diki> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=67.0
2671 2013-05-11 13:35:40 <diki> I saw an address with about 900 supposed stolen coins
2672 2013-05-11 13:35:49 <diki> and a single user lost 255+
2673 2013-05-11 13:35:56 <BlueMatt> so? we've seen plenty of wallet stealers before
2674 2013-05-11 13:36:10 <buZz> pickpockets are everywhere
2675 2013-05-11 13:36:13 <buZz> EVEN on the internet
2676 2013-05-11 13:36:25 <diki> BlueMatt:the yacoin thread is still there
2677 2013-05-11 13:36:29 <diki> links should be removed
2678 2013-05-11 13:36:46 <nsh> wait
2679 2013-05-11 13:36:57 <nsh> diki, an altcoin that stole its own wallets or stole bitcoin wallets?
2680 2013-05-11 13:37:02 <diki> Bitcoin wallets
2681 2013-05-11 13:37:14 <nsh> that's pretty dastardly
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2683 2013-05-11 13:37:32 <BlueMatt> hopefully it will teach people not to trust altcoins made by $RANDOM_USER anymore...
2684 2013-05-11 13:37:39 <nsh> +1
2685 2013-05-11 13:38:29 <nsh> the one positive to all this faffing about with money is that it does put basic security practices into sharp relief
2686 2013-05-11 13:38:54 <nsh> (well, i say one positive, leaving aside all the fixing the world stuff)
2687 2013-05-11 13:39:12 <diki> Actually, I was very soon going to DL yacoin myself, but thank god I didn't
2688 2013-05-11 13:39:30 <diki> Saved by....user ignorance.
2689 2013-05-11 13:39:45 <kaptah> you should run altcoins etc on a VM
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2691 2013-05-11 13:40:32 <diki> and another wallet bites the dust https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=202087.0
2692 2013-05-11 13:40:48 <BlueMatt> you shouldnt run altcoins at all, really...
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2694 2013-05-11 13:41:22 <kaptah> true. but if you must be an "early adaptor" ..
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2698 2013-05-11 13:41:42 <kaptah> adopter**
2699 2013-05-11 13:42:09 <diki> kaptah:Wrong thinking.
2700 2013-05-11 13:42:10 <SomeoneWeird> nsh, lol
2701 2013-05-11 13:42:13 <diki> It's profit, really.
2702 2013-05-11 13:42:47 <MC1984_> ops bitcoind crashed
2703 2013-05-11 13:43:20 <MC1984_> instruction at 0x00000000 referenced memory at 0x000000. mmory could not be read
2704 2013-05-11 13:43:30 <MC1984_> thats vauge and it sounds like my computer
2705 2013-05-11 13:43:43 <BlueMatt> no stack trace
2706 2013-05-11 13:43:55 <BlueMatt> but, yea, there should be no instruction running at 0x00000000
2707 2013-05-11 13:44:36 <MC1984_> run bitcoind for 2 weeks before without that happening
2708 2013-05-11 13:44:57 <BlueMatt> doesnt mean it cant be a bug
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2710 2013-05-11 13:45:14 <MC1984_> i got the rc1
2711 2013-05-11 13:45:17 <BlueMatt> quite the opposite, if it crashed bitcoind immediately others would be aware of it and have already fixed it
2712 2013-05-11 13:45:23 <SomeoneWeird> 0x000000000 wat
2713 2013-05-11 13:45:57 <MC1984_> well there gooes all my bloody peers
2714 2013-05-11 13:46:10 <MC1984_> 21 in 12 hours, im trying to test the memory improvements
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2726 2013-05-11 14:13:29 <nsh> #bitcoin-market it quiet...
2727 2013-05-11 14:13:46 <nsh> topic doesn't say who maintains the bot
2728 2013-05-11 14:13:48 <BlueMatt> nanotube: ^
2729 2013-05-11 14:13:52 <nsh> ah ty
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2882 2013-05-11 15:43:54 <nanotube> nsh: thanks, fixed. :)
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2886 2013-05-11 15:44:05 <nanotube> and BlueMatt ^
2887 2013-05-11 15:44:12 <nsh> nanotube, thanks yersel!
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2889 2013-05-11 15:44:33 <nanotube> :)
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2950 2013-05-11 15:51:17 <BlueMatt> nanotube: thanks
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2971 2013-05-11 16:09:19 <HaltingState> gmaxwell, weex ; is there anyway to order N transactions been a set of nodes? Like if I have transactions coming in continuously what is algo for coming to a consensus about what transactions are included and their order
2972 2013-05-11 16:09:44 <HaltingState> ripple has to do this somehow but i dont know if its possible
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2978 2013-05-11 16:15:09 <nsh> HaltingState, short answer no, with a but; long answer yes, with an if
2979 2013-05-11 16:15:24 <HaltingState> what is algorithm
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2981 2013-05-11 16:15:48 <HaltingState> what is it called
2982 2013-05-11 16:15:52 <nsh> a proof-of-work system leading to consensus solution of the byzantine general problem
2983 2013-05-11 16:15:57 <Belxjander> HaltingState: just take them as they come
2984 2013-05-11 16:16:04 <nsh> but there has to be some degree of concurrency
2985 2013-05-11 16:16:14 <nsh> because as far as we know there is not a proper time for the entire universe
2986 2013-05-11 16:16:18 <HaltingState> but they will come on different orders on different clients
2987 2013-05-11 16:16:19 <nsh> and anyway we have network latencies
2988 2013-05-11 16:16:49 <HaltingState> so you have to reorder and come to a consensus between n nodes; assume the nodes are honest; how do you order the transactions and agree on ordering and then assume some nodes try to cheat
2989 2013-05-11 16:16:59 <Belxjander> HaltingState: treat each client and its incoming as the whole problem... and then repeat for all the clients
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2991 2013-05-11 16:17:24 <HaltingState> brb
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2995 2013-05-11 16:18:23 <EvanR> any idea why a bitcoind would periodically crash on a ramnode with 512M ram
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2997 2013-05-11 16:18:32 <EvanR> memory leak? memory requirements?
2998 2013-05-11 16:18:47 <EvanR> note that this is after the block chain is finished
2999 2013-05-11 16:18:54 <EvanR> .8 series
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3002 2013-05-11 16:21:16 <nsh> ramnode == vps ?
3003 2013-05-11 16:21:42 <nsh> (yes)
3004 2013-05-11 16:22:08 <nsh> EvanR, anything interesting in debug.log?
3005 2013-05-11 16:22:36 <EvanR> i dont know, im asking on behalf of another man
3006 2013-05-11 16:22:51 <EvanR> i just figured id check before he gets around to concentrating on it himself
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3008 2013-05-11 16:23:32 <nsh> right, i would have little idea if there are any outstanding lowmem issues or anything else that would be a start here, one of the devs might
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3014 2013-05-11 16:29:20 <Cusipzzz> EvanR: what does the log dsay ?
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3016 2013-05-11 16:30:18 <EvanR> dunno
3017 2013-05-11 16:30:30 <EvanR> that guy is probably recovering this morning from last nights bitcoin bender
3018 2013-05-11 16:30:55 <EvanR> the weekend drop in price is the destruction of bitcoiners braincells by alcohol and cocaine
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3076 2013-05-11 16:45:22 <BlueMatt> EvanR: upgrade to 0.8.2
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3187 2013-05-11 17:18:21 <Plarkplark_> Hi all
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3192 2013-05-11 17:18:54 <Plarkplark_> You guys where right. Moving coin from an offline wallet creates change. Dangerous when thinking you are safe with a paper wallet. This should be documented/warned about in the client more.
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3291 2013-05-11 17:52:24 <btcls> hello developers ...how are you today
3292 2013-05-11 17:53:12 <btcls> ?
3293 2013-05-11 17:53:58 redeeman` is now known as redeeman
3294 2013-05-11 17:55:18 <btcls> was just wonder who in this chat room contributes the most ?
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3296 2013-05-11 17:55:41 <btcls> as in volunteering for irc chat mod or helping the system ??
3297 2013-05-11 17:56:09 <btcls> any suggestions ?
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3299 2013-05-11 17:57:20 <btcls> okay cya
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3367 2013-05-11 18:24:46 <matjeh> if i list all the addresses in my wallet with "bitcoind getaddressesbyaccount" and then get the balance of each one from https://blockchain.info/q/addressbalance/$address , then the total is 10x less than what "bitcoind getbalance" outputs. How exactly can I show how much is at each address?
3368 2013-05-11 18:26:40 <nsh> (incidentally, you should be aware that you are deanonymising yourself to (at least) blockchain.info (and whoever they share http log-derived information with) by doing this)
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3379 2013-05-11 18:31:03 <matjeh> nsh: yeah i wish i didn't have to resort to using the website, but i can see no way of calculating it from the official client
3380 2013-05-11 18:31:18 <nsh> hopefully a dev will chip in with some genius
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3383 2013-05-11 18:32:01 <matjeh> and even then, i cant see why the sum of the address balances doesn't equal the getbalance result.
3384 2013-05-11 18:32:23 <matjeh> unless blockchain.info is broken
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3395 2013-05-11 18:33:01 <Julius129> matjeh i have the same dillema/requirement
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3403 2013-05-11 18:35:51 <cjd> an offhand guess is that 'getaddressesbyaccount' skips over the secret change addresses which are only used to pay out
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3405 2013-05-11 18:36:26 <nsh> i don't think that'd be enough to account for 90% difference
3406 2013-05-11 18:36:33 <nsh> 10x even
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3437 2013-05-11 18:49:43 <jgm> Most of the apps out there don't quite do it for me, so I ended up dumping the whole blockchain in to a database and can query from there. I can now get pretty much whatever I need, although it is fundamentally separate from bitcoind and its wallets (batch update from bitcoind to database)
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3441 2013-05-11 18:51:34 <john_z> jgm, how did you do this dump?
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3443 2013-05-11 18:53:09 <jgm> I tweaked znort's blockparser to dump to CSV, and then load it in to a database from there. blockparser did have a dump for mysql but it was missing a lot of the fields which were useful so I rewrote it
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3454 2013-05-11 18:54:37 <ecoloco> "Verifying database integrity block" <- Is this done over the internet? Or is this done only over the computer?
3455 2013-05-11 18:54:59 <john_z> jgm, ah thanks.
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3540 2013-05-11 19:01:23 <matjeh> i was missing the hidden addresses
3541 2013-05-11 19:01:35 <matjeh> i should have been using listaddressgroupings
3542 2013-05-11 19:01:58 <matjeh> this outputs the correct balance: tb=0;while read line;do if echo $line|grep -q '"1';then echo $line;read b;tb=$(echo "$tb+$b"|bc);echo $b;fi ; done < <(bitcoind listaddressgroupings); echo $tb
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3555 2013-05-11 19:05:08 <nsh> matjeh, what address can i use to send you some chr(32) via asciicoin?
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3561 2013-05-11 19:08:49 * iwilcox smilesatnshsconstantpunctuationpedantry
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3563 2013-05-11 19:09:39 <matjeh> nsh: ;)
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3565 2013-05-11 19:10:18 <nsh> I'VE GOT MY GOD DAMN FINGER IN THE DIJKSTRA HERE
3566 2013-05-11 19:10:21 <nsh> ;)
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3568 2013-05-11 19:11:14 <nsh> (it was funnier in my head where dvorak and dijkstra momentarily occupied the same sector)
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3570 2013-05-11 19:11:47 <iwilcox> Your head has sectors?
3571 2013-05-11 19:12:03 <nsh> yeah, i've been sectioned multiple time
3572 2013-05-11 19:12:06 <nsh> hehehe
3573 2013-05-11 19:12:31 <nsh> (not really, they only tried once and i laughed the guy out of home because he had an NVQ)
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3615 2013-05-11 19:18:49 <Guest44573> lol nickserve has taken a holiday
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3654 2013-05-11 19:55:18 <amiller_> is there an easy way i can modify satoshi client to do a full transaction validation
3655 2013-05-11 19:55:21 <amiller_> for an old block
3656 2013-05-11 19:55:48 <amiller_> i want to output intermediate state during transaction validation
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3658 2013-05-11 19:56:01 <amiller_> i'm starting by using the checkblocks VerifyDB thing
3659 2013-05-11 19:56:22 <amiller_> but the kind of validation that's performed there seems to be only partial (even when i indicate the highest checklevel) and i haven't figured out how to push it further
3660 2013-05-11 19:56:42 <cjd> maybe -loadblock up to the block before the intersting one then do a p2p connect to it and send it the block?
3661 2013-05-11 19:57:26 <cjd> could backup ~/.bitcoin after doing the -loadblock and then do the operation over and over
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3666 2013-05-11 20:02:57 <amiller_> hm yeah it's only in checkinputs that that stuff gets checked
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3672 2013-05-11 20:13:37 <JDuke256> hi
3673 2013-05-11 20:13:53 <JDuke256> i m having trouble on bitcoinj : http://code.google.com/p/bitcoinj/issues/detail?id=405&can=4&colspec=ID%20Type%20Status%20Priority%20Component%20Owner%20Summary
3674 2013-05-11 20:14:07 <KingCoin> I'm interested in processing bitcoin payments to exchange for dollars on the fly via the exchanges
3675 2013-05-11 20:14:11 <JDuke256> i want to get receiver address when onCoinsReceived method called
3676 2013-05-11 20:14:22 <KingCoin> Is this my best bet? looks like a good solution - https://blockchain.info/api
3677 2013-05-11 20:14:31 <JDuke256> KingCoin , no
3678 2013-05-11 20:14:36 <JDuke256> mtgox has the api for that
3679 2013-05-11 20:14:43 <KingCoin> they do? great
3680 2013-05-11 20:14:56 <JDuke256> yea they do
3681 2013-05-11 20:14:57 <JDuke256> wait
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3684 2013-05-11 20:15:08 <KingCoin> ugh im not verified on gox though
3685 2013-05-11 20:15:12 <KingCoin> i cant wait for that queue
3686 2013-05-11 20:15:31 <JDuke256> KingCoin , check here : https://github.com/adv0r/mtgox-api-v2-java
3687 2013-05-11 20:15:40 <JDuke256> String sellResult = trade.sellBTC(0.1);
3688 2013-05-11 20:15:47 <JDuke256> thats what you want
3689 2013-05-11 20:15:54 <JDuke256> String buyResult = trade.buyBTC(0.1);
3690 2013-05-11 20:16:02 <JDuke256> but i m having trouble too
3691 2013-05-11 20:16:23 <JDuke256> i ve made address per invoice
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3693 2013-05-11 20:17:06 <JDuke256> but the problem is , i can't get receiver bit coin address onCoinsReceived called
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3695 2013-05-11 20:17:32 <JDuke256> no one know how to do it ?
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3697 2013-05-11 20:18:34 <JDuke256> waow
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3699 2013-05-11 20:18:39 <JDuke256> i got the solution i think
3700 2013-05-11 20:18:46 <JDuke256> i can't get ECKey but i can get wallet
3701 2013-05-11 20:18:47 <JDuke256> so...
3702 2013-05-11 20:18:53 <JDuke256> its better to make multi wallet
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3810 2013-05-11 21:21:15 <sipa> amiller_: -reindex ?
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3813 2013-05-11 21:21:31 <GUEST95743859723> 89ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43
3814 2013-05-11 21:21:31 <GUEST95743859723> 789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry239
3815 2013-05-11 21:21:31 <GUEST95743859723> 8y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398a
3816 2013-05-11 21:21:32 <GUEST95743859723> uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry243
3817 2013-05-11 21:21:32 <GUEST95743859723> 89ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43
3818 2013-05-11 21:21:32 <GUEST95743859723> 789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry239
3819 2013-05-11 21:21:32 <GUEST95743859723> 8y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398a
3820 2013-05-11 21:21:33 <GUEST95743859723> uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry243
3821 2013-05-11 21:21:33 <GUEST95743859723> 89ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43
3822 2013-05-11 21:21:34 <GUEST95743859723> 789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry239
3823 2013-05-11 21:21:34 <GUEST95743859723> 8y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398a
3824 2013-05-11 21:21:35 <GUEST95743859723> uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry243
3825 2013-05-11 21:21:35 <GUEST95743859723> 89ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43
3826 2013-05-11 21:21:40 <buZz_> nice
3827 2013-05-11 21:21:41 <amiller_> help help
3828 2013-05-11 21:21:45 <Haifisch> ;-;
3829 2013-05-11 21:21:48 <GUEST95743859723> uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry243
3830 2013-05-11 21:21:48 <GUEST95743859723> 89ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43
3831 2013-05-11 21:21:48 <GUEST95743859723> 789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry239
3832 2013-05-11 21:21:48 <GUEST95743859723> 8y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398a
3833 2013-05-11 21:21:50 <GUEST95743859723> uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry243
3834 2013-05-11 21:21:50 <GUEST95743859723> 89ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43
3835 2013-05-11 21:21:50 <GUEST95743859723> 789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry239
3836 2013-05-11 21:21:50 <GUEST95743859723> 8y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398a
3837 2013-05-11 21:21:52 <buZz_> yes more!
3838 2013-05-11 21:21:52 <GUEST95743859723> uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry243
3839 2013-05-11 21:21:52 <GUEST95743859723> 89ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43
3840 2013-05-11 21:21:52 <GUEST95743859723> 789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry239
3841 2013-05-11 21:21:52 <GUEST95743859723> 8y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398a
3842 2013-05-11 21:21:53 <buZz_> more!
3843 2013-05-11 21:21:53 <GUEST95743859723> uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry243
3844 2013-05-11 21:21:53 <GUEST95743859723> 89ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43
3845 2013-05-11 21:21:53 <GUEST95743859723> 789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry239
3846 2013-05-11 21:21:54 <GUEST95743859723> 8y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398a
3847 2013-05-11 21:21:54 <buZz_> more!
3848 2013-05-11 21:21:54 <buZz_> more!
3849 2013-05-11 21:21:55 <buZz_> more!
3850 2013-05-11 21:22:03 <Haifisch> what the fuck
3851 2013-05-11 21:22:07 <GUEST95743859723> uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry243
3852 2013-05-11 21:22:07 <GUEST95743859723> 89ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43
3853 2013-05-11 21:22:07 <GUEST95743859723> 789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry239
3854 2013-05-11 21:22:07 <GUEST95743859723> 8y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398a
3855 2013-05-11 21:22:08 <GUEST95743859723> uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry243
3856 2013-05-11 21:22:08 <GUEST95743859723> 89ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43
3857 2013-05-11 21:22:08 <GUEST95743859723> 789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry239
3858 2013-05-11 21:22:08 <GUEST95743859723> 8y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398a
3859 2013-05-11 21:22:09 <GUEST95743859723> uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry243
3860 2013-05-11 21:22:10 <GUEST95743859723> 89ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43
3861 2013-05-11 21:22:10 <GUEST95743859723> 789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry239
3862 2013-05-11 21:22:10 <GUEST95743859723> 8y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398a
3863 2013-05-11 21:22:11 <GUEST95743859723> uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry243
3864 2013-05-11 21:22:19 <Haifisch> right
3865 2013-05-11 21:22:23 <GUEST95743859723> uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry243
3866 2013-05-11 21:22:24 <GUEST95743859723> 89ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43
3867 2013-05-11 21:22:24 <GUEST95743859723> 789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry239
3868 2013-05-11 21:22:24 <GUEST95743859723> 8y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398a
3869 2013-05-11 21:22:25 <GUEST95743859723> uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry243
3870 2013-05-11 21:22:25 <GUEST95743859723> 89ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43
3871 2013-05-11 21:22:25 <GUEST95743859723> 789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry239
3872 2013-05-11 21:22:25 <GUEST95743859723> 8y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398a
3873 2013-05-11 21:22:27 <GUEST95743859723> uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry243
3874 2013-05-11 21:22:27 <GUEST95743859723> 89ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43
3875 2013-05-11 21:22:27 <GUEST95743859723> 789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry239
3876 2013-05-11 21:22:27 <GUEST95743859723> 8y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398a
3877 2013-05-11 21:22:29 <GUEST95743859723> uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry243
3878 2013-05-11 21:22:29 <GUEST95743859723> 89ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43
3879 2013-05-11 21:22:29 <GUEST95743859723> 789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry239
3880 2013-05-11 21:22:40 <sipa> aaargh chanserv is offline
3881 2013-05-11 21:22:43 <GUEST95743859723> uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry243
3882 2013-05-11 21:22:43 <GUEST95743859723> 89ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43
3883 2013-05-11 21:22:43 <GUEST95743859723> 789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry239
3884 2013-05-11 21:22:43 <GUEST95743859723> 8y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398a
3885 2013-05-11 21:22:43 <sipa> i can' t get op
3886 2013-05-11 21:22:45 <GUEST95743859723> uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry243
3887 2013-05-11 21:22:46 <GUEST95743859723> 89ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43
3888 2013-05-11 21:22:46 <GUEST95743859723> 789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry239
3889 2013-05-11 21:22:46 <GUEST95743859723> 8y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398a
3890 2013-05-11 21:22:47 <GUEST95743859723> uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry243
3891 2013-05-11 21:22:47 <GUEST95743859723> 89ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43
3892 2013-05-11 21:22:47 <GUEST95743859723> 789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry239
3893 2013-05-11 21:22:47 <GUEST95743859723> 8y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398a
3894 2013-05-11 21:22:49 <GUEST95743859723> uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry243
3895 2013-05-11 21:22:49 <GUEST95743859723> 89ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43
3896 2013-05-11 21:22:49 <GUEST95743859723> 789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry239
3897 2013-05-11 21:22:49 <GUEST95743859723> 8y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398a
3898 2013-05-11 21:23:00 sipa has left ()
3899 2013-05-11 21:23:00 sipa has joined
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3901 2013-05-11 21:23:03 <GUEST95743859723> uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry243
3902 2013-05-11 21:23:04 <GUEST95743859723> 89ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43
3903 2013-05-11 21:23:04 <GUEST95743859723> 789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry239
3904 2013-05-11 21:23:04 <GUEST95743859723> 8y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398a
3905 2013-05-11 21:23:04 sipa has quit (Quit: leaving)
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3933 2013-05-11 21:23:31 <lianj> the art of spamming
3934 2013-05-11 21:23:36 sipa1024 has joined
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3946 2013-05-11 21:23:43 <GUEST95743859723> 789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry239
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3950 2013-05-11 21:23:45 <GUEST95743859723> 789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry2398y2398uewhf43789ry289ry24389ry239
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3953 2013-05-11 21:23:52 GUEST95743859723 has quit (Excess Flood)
3954 2013-05-11 21:23:57 <Haifisch> yey
3955 2013-05-11 21:24:19 <Satoshi> (jgarzik, spam)
3956 2013-05-11 21:24:26 <Haifisch> so, that had no point
3957 2013-05-11 21:24:27 uifhweiu4238 has joined
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3959 2013-05-11 21:24:32 <uifhweiu4238> 8ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2
3960 2013-05-11 21:24:32 <uifhweiu4238> 389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf4
3961 2013-05-11 21:24:32 <uifhweiu4238> 78fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378
3962 2013-05-11 21:24:36 <Haifisch> fuck
3963 2013-05-11 21:24:37 <uifhweiu4238> jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry23
3964 2013-05-11 21:24:37 <uifhweiu4238> 8ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2
3965 2013-05-11 21:24:37 <uifhweiu4238> 389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf4
3966 2013-05-11 21:24:37 <uifhweiu4238> 78fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378
3967 2013-05-11 21:24:42 <uifhweiu4238> jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry23
3968 2013-05-11 21:24:42 <uifhweiu4238> 8ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2
3969 2013-05-11 21:24:42 <uifhweiu4238> 389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf4
3970 2013-05-11 21:24:42 <uifhweiu4238> 78fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378
3971 2013-05-11 21:24:46 <uifhweiu4238> jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry23
3972 2013-05-11 21:24:46 <uifhweiu4238> 8ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2
3973 2013-05-11 21:24:46 <uifhweiu4238> 389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf4
3974 2013-05-11 21:24:46 <uifhweiu4238> 78fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378
3975 2013-05-11 21:24:48 diki has joined
3976 2013-05-11 21:24:50 <uifhweiu4238> jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry23
3977 2013-05-11 21:24:50 <uifhweiu4238> 8ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2
3978 2013-05-11 21:24:50 <uifhweiu4238> 389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf4
3979 2013-05-11 21:24:50 <uifhweiu4238> 78fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378
3980 2013-05-11 21:24:51 <uifhweiu4238> jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry23
3981 2013-05-11 21:24:51 <uifhweiu4238> 8ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2
3982 2013-05-11 21:24:51 <uifhweiu4238> 389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf4
3983 2013-05-11 21:24:51 <uifhweiu4238> 78fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378
3984 2013-05-11 21:24:52 <Haifisch> y u do this
3985 2013-05-11 21:24:57 <uifhweiu4238> jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry23
3986 2013-05-11 21:24:58 <uifhweiu4238> 8ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2
3987 2013-05-11 21:24:58 <uifhweiu4238> 389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf4
3988 2013-05-11 21:24:58 <uifhweiu4238> 78fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378
3989 2013-05-11 21:24:59 <uifhweiu4238> jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry23
3990 2013-05-11 21:24:59 <uifhweiu4238> 8ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2
3991 2013-05-11 21:24:59 <uifhweiu4238> 389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf4
3992 2013-05-11 21:24:59 <uifhweiu4238> 78fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378
3993 2013-05-11 21:25:04 <uifhweiu4238> jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry23
3994 2013-05-11 21:25:04 <uifhweiu4238> 8ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2
3995 2013-05-11 21:25:04 <uifhweiu4238> 389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf4
3996 2013-05-11 21:25:04 <uifhweiu4238> 78fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378
3997 2013-05-11 21:25:05 <uifhweiu4238> jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry23
3998 2013-05-11 21:25:06 <uifhweiu4238> 8ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2
3999 2013-05-11 21:25:06 <uifhweiu4238> 389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf4
4000 2013-05-11 21:25:06 <uifhweiu4238> 78fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378
4001 2013-05-11 21:25:07 <uifhweiu4238> jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry23
4002 2013-05-11 21:25:07 <uifhweiu4238> 8ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2389f3289ry4287tgf478fg4q87fg478tfg4378t875&^$%^$*&^@^%$(*&^$*&@($^&#*Y#&*V Br37r v23r vb23r872365872465837265f3287462389974cfh2378jskhf4978ty238ry238ry2389r2ry8392ru2
4003 2013-05-11 21:25:15 <lianj> backing up his wallet to irc logs?
4004 2013-05-11 21:25:21 <jgarzik> ;;kban uifhweiu4238
4005 2013-05-11 21:25:21 <altgribble> Error: You don't have the #bitcoin-dev,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
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4007 2013-05-11 21:25:41 <lianj> jgarzik: thanks
4008 2013-05-11 21:25:46 <Haifisch> thanks
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4132 2013-05-11 22:03:21 <amiller_> sipa1024, thanks -reindex helped me
4133 2013-05-11 22:04:57 <sipa1024> amiller_: actually, -checklevel=4 does similar validation to importing from scratch
4134 2013-05-11 22:05:07 <amiller_> including input validation?
4135 2013-05-11 22:05:07 <sipa1024> though you need a large dbcache to be roll back far enough first
4136 2013-05-11 22:05:15 <sipa1024> yes, even including signature checks
4137 2013-05-11 22:05:22 <amiller_> that's strange i didn't observe that... what happens when checklevel=4 and there's no dbcache?
4138 2013-05-11 22:05:38 <sipa1024> it rolls back as far at fits in the dbcache, and rolls back from there
4139 2013-05-11 22:05:47 <sipa1024> it's reported in debug.lof
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4142 2013-05-11 22:07:58 <sipa> eh, and revalidates from there
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4384 2013-05-11 23:16:08 <Guest62957> is it safe yet
4385 2013-05-11 23:16:20 <nsh> nope, everything could explode at any moment
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4387 2013-05-11 23:16:35 <nsh> i'd find the nearest source of opiates and sex work and make the best of your last moments
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4445 2013-05-11 23:22:18 <ghash> Hi guys, I got a problem. I've installed bitcoin on debian (kvm vps server) with this guide: http://wp.geeklab.com.ar/gl-en/2013/03/04/how-to-install-bitcoin-0-8-0-on-debian-squeeze/
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4447 2013-05-11 23:22:53 <ghash> then I tried running bitcoind with the following script
4448 2013-05-11 23:22:53 <ghash> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=171782.0
4449 2013-05-11 23:23:07 <ghash> it did not work, so I installed bitcoind with apt-get install bitcoind
4450 2013-05-11 23:23:21 <ghash> so after that it worked, but I'm running on version 32400 (which I understand is 0.7?)
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4455 2013-05-11 23:23:37 <sipa> 32400 is 0.3.24 and it is ancient
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4457 2013-05-11 23:23:47 <sipa> do not use the version from debian's repo
4458 2013-05-11 23:23:54 <ghash> Ok. But where do I get the bitcoind then?
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4460 2013-05-11 23:24:09 <sipa> elaborate on "it did not work"
4461 2013-05-11 23:24:12 <cjd> i just git clone it from github and build manually
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4463 2013-05-11 23:24:26 <cjd> it's not that difficult really
4464 2013-05-11 23:24:34 <ghash> It did not work it gave a lot of errors, especially that it could not find bitcoind in /usr/lib/
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4466 2013-05-11 23:24:53 <cjd> boo sounds like a broken package :(
4467 2013-05-11 23:25:35 <ghash> I am really nooby. Any guide you can recommend to get bitcoind from github and build it manually?
4468 2013-05-11 23:25:46 <cjd> git clone git://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.git && cd bitcoin
4469 2013-05-11 23:25:49 <cjd> qmake
4470 2013-05-11 23:25:50 <cjd> make
4471 2013-05-11 23:25:56 <cjd> fix errors as they appear
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4473 2013-05-11 23:26:22 <nsh> cjd has worked out the elusive step 2. ???? of software
4474 2013-05-11 23:26:34 <cjd> :D
4475 2013-05-11 23:26:40 <cjd> oh
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4477 2013-05-11 23:26:48 <kinlo> cjd: I recommend running it from the binaries as supplied
4478 2013-05-11 23:27:01 <ghash> what now
4479 2013-05-11 23:27:14 <cjd> git checkout v0.8.2rc1 if you're a chicken
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4481 2013-05-11 23:27:28 <kinlo> don't try to recompile it - if you don't get the berkley db stuff right, you might end up with a wallet you might not be able to read afterwards
4482 2013-05-11 23:27:36 <kinlo> unless you are going to develop ofcourse
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4485 2013-05-11 23:27:53 <ghash> holy shit you are confusing!
4486 2013-05-11 23:28:20 <cjd> what he means is if you open a wallet using a compiled version and then try to copy it over to a downloaded version, the downloaded version will be like "wut is this"
4487 2013-05-11 23:28:32 <cjd> he doesn't mean "if you compile it it will eat your wallet"
4488 2013-05-11 23:28:45 <cjd> although backups are always nice :)
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4492 2013-05-11 23:29:10 <sipa> actually, with 0.8.2 that should be possible (at least in one way)
4493 2013-05-11 23:29:17 <sipa> though yes, have backups
4494 2013-05-11 23:29:18 <cjd> cool
4495 2013-05-11 23:29:39 <ghash> <cjd> git checkout v0.8.2rc1 if you're a chicken
4496 2013-05-11 23:29:44 <ghash> explain yourself? I am a chicken
4497 2013-05-11 23:29:48 <cjd> hehe
4498 2013-05-11 23:29:56 <cjd> that's the tagged release candidate
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4501 2013-05-11 23:30:14 <cjd> if you don't check that out, you get the git trunk which is what developers are working on right now
4502 2013-05-11 23:30:22 <cjd> I *think* right now, they are equivilant
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4504 2013-05-11 23:30:35 <cjd> but if you want more safety, checkout the tag :)
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4511 2013-05-11 23:32:07 <ghash> I want to run it with eloipool - any pro hints for that?
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4513 2013-05-11 23:32:32 <cjd> not sure what that is :)
4514 2013-05-11 23:32:40 <ghash> a python3 pool software
4515 2013-05-11 23:32:50 <Guest62957> there seems to be a ban threshold assinged to peers, ive got one on 60 points on whatever
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4517 2013-05-11 23:33:14 <Guest62957> whats the value that triggers banning
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4523 2013-05-11 23:36:07 <sipa> Guest62957: 100
4524 2013-05-11 23:36:48 <sipa> Guest62957: i assume it's the not-understood "vin missing" problem
4525 2013-05-11 23:37:00 <sipa> we've been seeing it for a while, and don't really know what causes it
4526 2013-05-11 23:37:21 <Guest62957> interesting
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4528 2013-05-11 23:37:34 <Guest62957> i suppose it will turn up one day
4529 2013-05-11 23:37:44 <Guest62957> like dropping a washer into your engine
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4531 2013-05-11 23:38:27 <Guest62957> this peer is getting banned for inputs already spent though lol
4532 2013-05-11 23:38:31 <Guest62957> seeing a lot of that actually
4533 2013-05-11 23:39:07 <ghash> cjd: I hope you dont mind highlighting you, I've done as you said, no errors etc.
4534 2013-05-11 23:39:19 <ghash> Now I have bitcoin-qt in the dir
4535 2013-05-11 23:39:24 <ghash> butbut... I want bitcoind?
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4546 2013-05-11 23:41:37 <sipa> ghash: cd src; make -f makefile.unix bitcoind
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4552 2013-05-11 23:42:46 <ghash> thank you sipa, I'll report in again!
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4556 2013-05-11 23:43:12 <cjd> ghash: sorry, was away
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4560 2013-05-11 23:44:34 <ghash> oh no problem :D
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4566 2013-05-11 23:45:26 <cjd> Ok so wild idea, lets use a NOP for an OP_EVAL which is implemented by some bitcoin engines but not intended to be standard.
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4570 2013-05-11 23:46:33 <sipa> cjd: you mean BIP12?
4571 2013-05-11 23:46:40 <cjd> mmm
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4575 2013-05-11 23:47:09 <cjd> sort of
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4578 2013-05-11 23:47:30 <gmaxwell> What do you mean sort of?
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4580 2013-05-11 23:47:35 <cjd> Obvious example is sorting/defragmenting colorcoins... I have 10 inputs and each one has a few colorsatoshis and I need to securely communicate to another colorcoin impls that I want these satoshis to be shuffled over here and those ones shuffled over there.
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4582 2013-05-11 23:47:50 <cjd> This is not information which traditional bitcoinds should know or care about
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4585 2013-05-11 23:48:19 <sipa> if it's not information necessary for validating transactions, it doesn't belong in the chain
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4589 2013-05-11 23:48:55 <cjd> so I push a script in my own scripting language on to the stack and use OP_APPLICATION_SPECIFIC_EVAL and everyone else ignores it
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4593 2013-05-11 23:49:31 <cjd> alternatively I could push the hash of some external data onto the stack then drop it and my nodes are happy because they can authenticate the script which is hosted elsewhere...
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4613 2013-05-11 23:54:09 <ghash> hey guys thank you
4614 2013-05-11 23:54:13 <ghash> it seems like finally running
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4616 2013-05-11 23:54:17 <cjd> cool
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4618 2013-05-11 23:54:22 <ghash> cjd, sipa
4619 2013-05-11 23:54:26 <ghash> :)
4620 2013-05-11 23:54:37 <sipa> next time, read the readme :)
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4622 2013-05-11 23:54:55 <cjd> in his defense, building from source is not trivial
4623 2013-05-11 23:55:00 <cjd> and there are a lot of readmes out there
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