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6 2013-05-16 00:05:25 <k00shi> Oh shit
7 2013-05-16 00:06:07 <k00shi> But 80,000 cores still wouldn't guarantee you a block :)
8 2013-05-16 00:06:25 <gonffen> how mny ghsh that?
9 2013-05-16 00:06:58 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: hahahah oh wow
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11 2013-05-16 00:07:05 <k00shi> It's funny to imagine a fake scenario in which Google has all those boxes in their office building, and every now and then the lights dim for 10 minutes
12 2013-05-16 00:07:13 <gonffen> seirously though, that sounds like so much
13 2013-05-16 00:07:14 <Diablo-D3> lol
14 2013-05-16 00:07:17 <Diablo-D3> okay so
15 2013-05-16 00:07:20 <Diablo-D3> LETS DO THE FUCKING MATH
16 2013-05-16 00:07:26 * Diablo-D3 puts on his thinking cap
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19 2013-05-16 00:07:31 <gmaxwell> k00shi: forget mining. I've got lots of science to do.
20 2013-05-16 00:07:36 <Diablo-D3> ;;calc 80000 * 16
21 2013-05-16 00:07:36 <gribble> 1280000
22 2013-05-16 00:07:46 <nsh> SCIENCE!
23 2013-05-16 00:07:49 <Diablo-D3> er, cores?
24 2013-05-16 00:07:51 <Diablo-D3> ;;calc 80000 * 4
25 2013-05-16 00:07:51 <gribble> 320000
26 2013-05-16 00:07:59 <Diablo-D3> so 320gh for 10 minutes
27 2013-05-16 00:08:06 <gonffen> where are you getting the 4 from?
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29 2013-05-16 00:08:10 <Diablo-D3> 4 mhash per core
30 2013-05-16 00:08:17 <Diablo-D3> which Im really over estimating that
31 2013-05-16 00:08:21 <Diablo-D3> its probably closer to 2
32 2013-05-16 00:08:31 <gonffen> ya that's where I was going with that lol
33 2013-05-16 00:08:32 <turboroot> nice! they bill at 10 minute intervals
34 2013-05-16 00:08:48 <gonffen> sounds like they designed this to take down bitcoin
35 2013-05-16 00:08:57 <gonffen> quick somebody post about it on bitcointalk
36 2013-05-16 00:09:08 <Diablo-D3> gonffen: I just did the math
37 2013-05-16 00:09:15 <k00shi> 2Ghash?
38 2013-05-16 00:09:17 <Diablo-D3> ;;calc 80000 * 2
39 2013-05-16 00:09:17 <gribble> 160000
40 2013-05-16 00:09:31 <k00shi> So one of those fucking ASICS is able to do more hashing power than all 80,000 of those cores combined? For real?
41 2013-05-16 00:09:34 <turboroot> s/10 minute/1 minute
42 2013-05-16 00:09:36 <Diablo-D3> 160gh for ten minutes for $870
43 2013-05-16 00:09:42 <k00shi> Oh.
44 2013-05-16 00:09:44 <Diablo-D3> k00shi: two.
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46 2013-05-16 00:09:58 <k00shi> 160 or 2? :)
47 2013-05-16 00:10:18 <k00shi> Anyway, interesting thought: who will be the first to try it? :-)
48 2013-05-16 00:10:19 <Diablo-D3> two machines
49 2013-05-16 00:10:30 <The_Fly> http://bitbillions.org/ <--- wat
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51 2013-05-16 00:10:41 <gonffen> still impressive though, just think how more efficient the asic rigs are
52 2013-05-16 00:10:45 <gonffen> how much more*
53 2013-05-16 00:10:49 <Diablo-D3> massively more efficient
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55 2013-05-16 00:10:54 <Diablo-D3> I can do the math on that too
56 2013-05-16 00:10:59 <kadoban_> k00shi: nobody smart. what would be the point? everyone knows that CPU mining is a bad idea, it's still a bad idea if you scale it up
57 2013-05-16 00:11:01 <gonffen> it's really not a shock mind you
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59 2013-05-16 00:11:21 <yubrew_> kadoban_: reminds me of groupon
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61 2013-05-16 00:11:36 <yubrew_> "let's have a negative margin, and make it up in volume"
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63 2013-05-16 00:12:14 <nsh> how much money has facebook made in the last decade?
64 2013-05-16 00:12:27 <nsh> you don't have to do well, you just had to do enough that people kinda get used to be being around
65 2013-05-16 00:12:49 <gonffen> The_Fly: nice pyramid
66 2013-05-16 00:13:05 <gonffen> facebook hasn't been around for a decade...
67 2013-05-16 00:13:23 <yubrew_> nsh: facebook is profitable
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71 2013-05-16 00:14:54 <nsh> take your word for it
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78 2013-05-16 00:19:09 <wizkid057> so no one has made a block that breaks the magic may15 limit lifts?
79 2013-05-16 00:19:14 <wizkid057> yet
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119 2013-05-16 01:05:41 <RoboTeddy> are there estimates of how much bandwidth it would take to DDoS bitcoin to the extent that we don't generate new blocks quickly enough to confirm significant percentages of new transactions?
120 2013-05-16 01:06:35 <gmaxwell> no amount of bandwidth can do that at least not for longer than it takes miners to adapt their behavior a little.
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124 2013-05-16 01:08:03 <RoboTeddy> well if there are 20k nodes with 3 megabit pipes, then would it take 60 gigabit/second to knock them all offline?
125 2013-05-16 01:08:17 <RoboTeddy> (I know I must be rehashing an old conversation, but I couldn't find a good discussion on bitcointalk)
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127 2013-05-16 01:09:42 <gmaxwell> RoboTeddy: you says you can connect to any of the mining nodes at all?
128 2013-05-16 01:09:49 <gmaxwell> RoboTeddy: nothing requires a miner's address to be public.
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130 2013-05-16 01:11:08 <RoboTeddy> gmaxwell: good point. would it cause problems if all the bitcoin nodes that listen publicly were temporarily gone?
131 2013-05-16 01:11:27 <RoboTeddy> (it'd make it impossible to bootstrap new nodes I'd imagine, since there's no one to upload to you... any other issues?)
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133 2013-05-16 01:12:16 <gmaxwell> mixed. I mean, obviously if you can't get a copy of the data then you can't participate in bitcoin.... but once you've taken the people who need low latency out of the mix its _really_ hard to suppress the data completely, since it's not very much data.
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135 2013-05-16 01:13:14 <gmaxwell> you'd have to basically take the whole internet down due to things like: https://twitter.com/blockheaders
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137 2013-05-16 01:13:46 <RoboTeddy> gmaxwell: hah, really neat. thanks
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139 2013-05-16 01:14:15 <michagogo> Has a full postmortem document on the March fork been published?
140 2013-05-16 01:14:42 <gmaxwell> more than the one that already exists?
141 2013-05-16 01:14:47 <gmaxwell> (BIP50)
142 2013-05-16 01:14:51 <michagogo> gmaxwell: more than http://bitcoin.org/chainfork.html
143 2013-05-16 01:14:56 <gmaxwell> see bip50.
144 2013-05-16 01:14:56 <michagogo> which says there will be one
145 2013-05-16 01:15:05 <michagogo> That should be linked there, then...
146 2013-05-16 01:15:38 <gmaxwell> open a pull. :P
147 2013-05-16 01:16:15 <Luke-Jr> anyone know how to get a decent SSH server on Android/
148 2013-05-16 01:16:17 <Luke-Jr> ?
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152 2013-05-16 01:19:02 <michagogo> gmaxwell: Is bitcoin.org in the bitcoin github repo?
153 2013-05-16 01:19:17 <michagogo> Otherwise that doesn't work
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160 2013-05-16 01:29:38 <sipa> michagogo: yes
161 2013-05-16 01:30:02 <michagogo> sipa: To what?
162 2013-05-16 01:30:10 <TD> Luke-Jr: does it have to be ssh? i think adb connections can go via TCP and can be encrypted, now.
163 2013-05-16 01:30:25 <sipa> michagogo: bitcoin.org is on github
164 2013-05-16 01:30:33 <MoALTz> Luke-Jr: not sure whether it's decent, but Terminal IDE can run an ssh server according to the documentation
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167 2013-05-16 01:31:23 <michagogo> sipa: Okay, how do I create a pull request?
168 2013-05-16 01:31:48 <sipa> there's a howto stickied in the development section of bitcointalk
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171 2013-05-16 01:32:07 <sipa> but some familiarity with git may be useful
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174 2013-05-16 01:39:28 <yubrew_> michagogo: your git fork is in github right?
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176 2013-05-16 01:39:56 <yubrew_> all you need to do is select your branch and then select git pull
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178 2013-05-16 01:41:12 <yubrew_> http://cl.ly/image/1r271Z310C44
179 2013-05-16 01:41:19 <yubrew_> you can do a pull request there
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183 2013-05-16 01:45:27 <yubrew_> oh, actually on further reading, what you want to do is not a pull request
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188 2013-05-16 01:50:26 <Luke-Jr> TD: why should it be anything other than standard SSH?
189 2013-05-16 01:50:46 <TD> code size/complexity, probably.
190 2013-05-16 01:50:55 <TD> but i don't know the real reason
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192 2013-05-16 01:51:08 <TD> there might be ssh servers for android. i never looked, usb was always sufficient.
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196 2013-05-16 01:52:31 <TD> http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2013/02/security-enhancements-in-jelly-bean.html
197 2013-05-16 01:52:49 <michagogo> sipa: Where in the repo do I find bitcoin.org?
198 2013-05-16 01:52:55 <TD> http://stuffandtech.blogspot.com/2012/03/android-quick-tip-adb-over-wifi.html
199 2013-05-16 01:53:11 <TD> those two combined should give you ssh like functionality "out of the box". you have to set it up with a usb cable but after that you can untether
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203 2013-05-16 01:54:43 <michagogo> gmaxwell: Where in the bitcoin repo is bitcoin.org?
204 2013-05-16 01:54:49 <warren> I haven't done Android OS dev in a year. Back then enabling adb wireless meant it would let anyone adb into your phone if they know your public IP address. I wonder if they fixed that.
205 2013-05-16 01:55:34 <gmaxwell> michagogo: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/
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207 2013-05-16 01:56:59 <michagogo> Oh, it's a different repo
208 2013-05-16 01:57:03 <michagogo> That explains it
209 2013-05-16 01:58:28 <warren> Luke-Jr: is your phone already rooted? did you install busybox and command line tools? If so it's trivial to install a cross-compiled dropbear sshd. I preferred to use that with rsync instead of USB for file transfers with my laptop. The drawback is wifi would stop every time the screen turns off unless you are plugged into power.
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211 2013-05-16 02:00:08 <TD> warren: yeah it was fixed
212 2013-05-16 02:00:23 <TD> warren: and i think you can fix the wifi disabling
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214 2013-05-16 02:01:37 <warren> TD: yeah, it's an advanced wifi option now
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220 2013-05-16 02:06:32 <warren> TD: problem is sshd/rsync isn't the kind of data that Android knows to stay awake for. anyway this is off-topic for this channel so I stop here.
221 2013-05-16 02:07:04 <michagogo> gmaxwell: sipa: Done. (did I do it right?)
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223 2013-05-16 02:08:52 <gmaxwell> michagogo: Looks good to me.
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225 2013-05-16 02:09:40 <michagogo> Also, did I do the link right? My HTML (as incredibly basic as it is) is a bit rusty
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227 2013-05-16 02:11:42 <gmaxwell> michagogo: you did (otherwise I wouldn't have ACKed. :P )
228 2013-05-16 02:11:52 <michagogo> k
229 2013-05-16 02:11:56 <michagogo> Now what happens?
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231 2013-05-16 02:12:58 <michagogo> (who needs to pull it? does the act of pulling it update the site right away?)
232 2013-05-16 02:13:20 <Luke-Jr> warren: yes; no
233 2013-05-16 02:13:26 <gmaxwell> michagogo: it sits like that until someone else acks it or merges it. (I could directly merge it, but as a matter of practice saivann has the lead on the website... and it's generally best to give people time to lodge any complaints since its instantly live, unlike the code)
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235 2013-05-16 02:14:02 <michagogo> gmaxwell: Complaints? Like what?
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237 2013-05-16 02:14:25 <gmaxwell> michagogo: like "you got your html wrong" or "oh no, that document is not done enough to be included there!"
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239 2013-05-16 02:14:54 <TD> i can also merge them
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241 2013-05-16 02:15:24 <gmaxwell> michagogo: of course, no such complaints are likely ... it's just good practice to not over eagerly pull things... an extra couple hours hurts no one, and it gives a chance to get an extra eye or two on it.
242 2013-05-16 02:15:27 <TD> oh, i thought i could. i don't see the button in the gui though
243 2013-05-16 02:15:29 <TD> odd
244 2013-05-16 02:15:36 <michagogo> I guess
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248 2013-05-16 02:16:24 <michagogo> Just seems weird that on or before the 18th, it was stated there'd be a document
249 2013-05-16 02:16:38 <michagogo> And then on the 20th, there was a document
250 2013-05-16 02:16:53 <michagogo> And it hasn't been updated in the past 2 months
251 2013-05-16 02:16:57 <gmaxwell> TD: weird, I don't see you on the access list.
252 2013-05-16 02:17:18 <saivann> TD should definitively be on the access list
253 2013-05-16 02:17:29 <TD> maybe i'm no longer an admin. i imagined i'd get an email on being revoked, but then again, i don't recall getting an email about being added either :)
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255 2013-05-16 02:17:55 <gmaxwell> michagogo: yea, it just got missed I assume. no biggie.
256 2013-05-16 02:18:21 <gmaxwell> michagogo: Thank you so much for taking the time to create a pull!
257 2013-05-16 02:18:24 <saivann> gmaxwell : For such trivial change (on which you know better than me if things are accurate) always feel free to press the merge button
258 2013-05-16 02:18:28 <michagogo> np
259 2013-05-16 02:19:12 <gmaxwell> saivann: yea, ::nods:: I still perfer to give changes that aren't needed to fix the site display at least a _little_ "wait no!" time.
260 2013-05-16 02:19:23 <gmaxwell> esp since the site is insta-live.
261 2013-05-16 02:19:40 <saivann> gmaxwell : That's perfect, of course
262 2013-05-16 02:20:02 <michagogo> BTW, how does the fork work with the official version? Is there a button somewhere to sync to yours?
263 2013-05-16 02:20:38 <gmaxwell> It's just a good habbit. Sort of by definition you won't reconize the cases where a pull has a flaw that you won't recognize. So if the process is to correct for my blindspots I must always hold back in cases where I see now flaw.
264 2013-05-16 02:21:21 <gmaxwell> michagogo: there are a bunch of different ways to handle that, the stupid-simplest is usually to just keep replacing your copy with the official every time you go to work on it.
265 2013-05-16 02:21:40 <gmaxwell> wellâ that easiest in cases where you don't have long term maintained unmerged changes.
266 2013-05-16 02:21:59 <michagogo> gmaxwell: How exactly? Is there a button on the website? Do I just refork?
267 2013-05-16 02:22:02 <gmaxwell> s/now flaw/no flaw/
268 2013-05-16 02:22:41 <gmaxwell> michagogo: I assumeâ I don't do it via the website, if you're doing driving it from the git commandline you can just pull the official and force push it ontop of your fork.
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275 2013-05-16 02:25:45 <michagogo> Yeah, idk
276 2013-05-16 02:25:54 <michagogo> My git knowledge is almost nonexistent
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278 2013-05-16 02:26:19 <warren> History question ... was the difficulty exploit at 2016 interval issue ever fixed?
279 2013-05-16 02:26:31 <warren> 2016 blocks
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281 2013-05-16 02:27:03 <michagogo> I knew enough to clone, edit the file, run a whole bunch of git add commands (not knowing what argument I should be giving it) then a commit and push
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283 2013-05-16 02:27:14 <michagogo> That's about the extent of my knowledge :-P
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285 2013-05-16 02:27:38 <MC1984_> you have to add the upstream repo as a "remote" in git an then pull
286 2013-05-16 02:28:04 <michagogo> MC1984_: How?
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290 2013-05-16 02:29:13 <MC1984_> git remote add upstream <repo>
291 2013-05-16 02:30:31 <yubrew_> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/64ce949e843878b68024
292 2013-05-16 02:30:41 <michagogo> Also, it's 5AM... really need to go to sleep.
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317 2013-05-16 03:01:56 <amiller_> wtf, can someone explain adam back's posts to me, i'm pretty sure i'm missing something or it's just wrong
318 2013-05-16 03:01:59 <amiller_> actually everything gmaxwell has posted about it i pretty much agree with
319 2013-05-16 03:02:01 <amiller_> i want to like it because it's adam back but it seems like it provides absolutely nothing
320 2013-05-16 03:02:03 <amiller_> it doesn't stop a super majority from ignoring transactions it doesn't like
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325 2013-05-16 03:07:43 <MC1984_> does it seem like SD txn volume has dropped a lot
326 2013-05-16 03:07:59 <MC1984_> thier known addresses any way
327 2013-05-16 03:08:05 <sydna_> there's currently an insane spam of 0.0000025BTC TX though
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329 2013-05-16 03:08:55 <sydna_> http://blockchain.info/address/1JwSSubhmg6iPtRjtyqhUYYH7bZg3Lfy1T
330 2013-05-16 03:08:59 <MC1984_> wtf is going on there
331 2013-05-16 03:09:01 <sydna_> seems friendly enough
332 2013-05-16 03:09:30 <gmaxwell> amiller_: adam is deep in the newbie wizard phase and has been emitting a lot of static.
333 2013-05-16 03:09:58 <amiller_> ok well i'm really glad he's looking into it anyway.
334 2013-05-16 03:09:58 <sydna_> 1947 TX and counting..
335 2013-05-16 03:10:01 <gmaxwell> amiller_: I think there is something vaguely interesting in the blinding stuff, but I'm not convinced its actually useful.
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337 2013-05-16 03:10:23 <amiller_> if he could be clearer about what the point was then maybe it would be clearer why it doesn't make any sense
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339 2013-05-16 03:10:52 <amiller_> no one has touched your argument that it either is a split because it lets the minority disagree with the majority, or else it is vulnerable to a stubborn majority
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343 2013-05-16 03:11:28 <MC1984_> who the hell is dexog
344 2013-05-16 03:11:40 <sydna_> MC1984_: it's a known brain wallet
345 2013-05-16 03:11:48 <sydna_> "correct battery horse staple"
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347 2013-05-16 03:12:04 <sydna_> i.e., the default input on brainwallet.org
348 2013-05-16 03:12:10 <gmaxwell> amiller_: the idea is basically to have the network mine encrypted transactions. It can't tell if the transactions are valid when it mines them, but the recipent can because you give them the data to tell wtf was actually mined... and the encryption is a function so the recipent can tell there aren't any competing double spends.
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350 2013-05-16 03:12:51 <amiller_> what is hidden then, the txin of the transaction or the txout?
351 2013-05-16 03:12:56 <amiller_> or both?
352 2013-05-16 03:13:05 <gmaxwell> Both.
353 2013-05-16 03:13:06 <gmaxwell> amiller_: imagine a pure timestamping currency. The network validates nothing, just timestamps unique objects.. and it's up to the recipents to validate everything.
354 2013-05-16 03:13:13 <gmaxwell> You can see how that can work, but it doesn't scale well.
355 2013-05-16 03:13:15 <amiller_> okay sure but then they are meaningless timestamps
356 2013-05-16 03:13:19 <amiller_> so what happens when i reveal 6 blocks later
357 2013-05-16 03:13:30 <amiller_> are tarnsactions given priority according to their timetsamp
358 2013-05-16 03:13:49 <amiller_> like if i commit to spending TxInA in block T
359 2013-05-16 03:13:55 <amiller_> then I *actually* spend TxInA in block T+!
360 2013-05-16 03:14:09 <amiller_> in block T+1*, and then in block T+6 I reveal my ocmmitment
361 2013-05-16 03:14:22 <amiller_> does the one in block T take precedence or the already confirmed one in T+1?
362 2013-05-16 03:14:23 <sydna_> MC1984_: 2500 TX now.
363 2013-05-16 03:14:29 <gmaxwell> because the encryption is a function you can't have a double spend, so every mined thing is either jibberish junk or a valid spend.
364 2013-05-16 03:14:50 <gmaxwell> amiller_: nah, you make the encryption a function so the network refuses to let you spend blind(x) twice.
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366 2013-05-16 03:15:10 <amiller_> but i can real-spend x out from under it?
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368 2013-05-16 03:15:49 <gmaxwell> No, because if you realspend x then everyone knows that X was spent because you can compute blind(x) from x just not the other way around.
369 2013-05-16 03:16:42 <amiller_> x is the pubkey? like it's deterministic given the utxo?
370 2013-05-16 03:17:02 <amiller_> x is the utxo*
371 2013-05-16 03:17:12 <gmaxwell> E.g. you want to spend H(secret||out) which is in the chain it's the pubkey. so you publish H(secret||in) 'secret' being the real unblinded identity of the object you're spending.
372 2013-05-16 03:18:04 <gmaxwell> (disclaimer: adam is off in lala land because he thinks that there are ecc pubkeys in the chain and stuff, so I'm reinterperting my understanding of the kind of thing he's proposing in terms that make sense to me)
373 2013-05-16 03:19:38 <gmaxwell> So you mine a transaction which 'spends' H(secret||in) ... secret being e.g. the real script or whatever. The network can't tell if its valid but it can tell that its unique.
374 2013-05-16 03:19:53 <gmaxwell> you can prove to anyone you like, however, that its valid by revealing secret to them.
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376 2013-05-16 03:20:31 <gmaxwell> and, in fact you could have your own little trading universe that trades around that coin, tracing the history and committing 'rubbish' to the bitcoin chain... never making public the identity of their trades.
377 2013-05-16 03:20:48 <gmaxwell> but the size of their proofs grows at least quadratically, and likely exponentially.
378 2013-05-16 03:21:19 <amiller_> from your explanation i still don't understand the order these things happen in
379 2013-05-16 03:21:45 <amiller_> does it start from a state where there are ordinary utxos or does it have to start by spending to a blindable utxo of some kind
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381 2013-05-16 03:22:47 <gmaxwell> In my scheme they need to be a special blindable utxo. (I think adam proposes one where that isn't so, but I think what I'm saying is easier to understand)
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383 2013-05-16 03:23:19 <gmaxwell> you want to blindpay me. I give you a scriptpubkey. You create a payment to txout H(scriptpubkey|out).
384 2013-05-16 03:23:51 <gmaxwell> to nonblindly spend it I publish a transaction which just includes scriptpubkey. Obvious enough.
385 2013-05-16 03:24:11 <gmaxwell> To blindly spend it, I publish a transaction which includes H(scriptpubkey|in).
386 2013-05-16 03:24:31 <gmaxwell> network has no freeking idea what I'm spending. But it knows there isn't a double-spend.
387 2013-05-16 03:25:04 <gmaxwell> I can prove to my downstream recipent that I'm not just spending coins from thin air by giving him the scriptpubkey, even if its not public.
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391 2013-05-16 03:26:22 <gmaxwell> He computes H(scriptpubkey|out) and looks it up, and sees that its unspent. He computes H(scriptpubkey|in) and sees that it's the txn paying him.
392 2013-05-16 03:26:50 <randy-waterhouse> hard behind us yet?
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394 2013-05-16 03:26:59 <randy-waterhouse> s/hard hard-fork
395 2013-05-16 03:27:15 <gmaxwell> The network woudln't mine spends of both scriptpubkey and H(scriptpubkey|in) or multiple H(scriptpubkey|in), as it would check for that.
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398 2013-05-16 03:29:08 <amiller_> in and out are secrets? i almost follow but i don't see how it is possible to distinguish H(scriptpubkey|in1) and H(scriptpubkey|in2) or realize they share a scriptpubkey
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400 2013-05-16 03:29:25 <mhanne_> gmaxwell: but the network doesn't know the coins you have actually exist? so if you want to non-blindly spend it after several blind 'hops', you'd have to reveal all of them?
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406 2013-05-16 03:32:03 <mhanne_> amiller_: i guess it would only be the reference to the input you're spending, tx hash and index. so in1 = in2
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416 2013-05-16 03:33:42 <mhanne_> s/input/output/
417 2013-05-16 03:33:42 <gmaxwell> mhanne_: correct.
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419 2013-05-16 03:33:56 <gmaxwell> amiller_: they're just constant strings used to make the hash functions different.
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422 2013-05-16 03:34:12 <amiller_> gmaxwell okay so it's literally the string "in" and the string "out" just salts?
423 2013-05-16 03:34:16 <gmaxwell> yes.
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427 2013-05-16 03:34:33 <amiller_> okay so what was the original threat model here
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429 2013-05-16 03:34:47 <amiller_> that the network is going to have a policy against spending certain transactions based on the scriptpubkey being offensive?
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431 2013-05-16 03:35:15 <amiller_> like the wikileaks donation address?
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433 2013-05-16 03:35:38 <randy-waterhouse> anyone know which block/time the hard-fork happens at?
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436 2013-05-16 03:36:01 <gmaxwell> amiller_: or because some sissy announced that his coins were 'stolen'.
437 2013-05-16 03:36:26 <gmaxwell> basically the non-anonymity of bitcoin coins reduces their fungibility if anyone pays attention to the fact that they have a public history.
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441 2013-05-16 03:36:55 <gmaxwell> randy-waterhouse: the rule change was over 24 hours ago.
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496 2013-05-16 03:37:26 <randy-waterhouse> gmaxwell: thnaks
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500 2013-05-16 03:37:58 <amiller_> gmaxwell, well in the case it's meant to hide a particular scriptpubkey then this isn't sufficient...
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505 2013-05-16 03:38:22 <gmaxwell> he's propose making everyone use this.
506 2013-05-16 03:38:29 <gmaxwell> er he has proposed
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509 2013-05-16 03:38:38 <sydna_> getting ready to hit 5000 dust transactions on 1jwssub
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513 2013-05-16 03:39:33 <amiller_> even if everyone uses this it doesn't hide the scriptpubkey
514 2013-05-16 03:39:48 <amiller_> if it's deterministic from the scriptpubkey and the salt
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517 2013-05-16 03:40:09 <gmaxwell> amiller_: you're assuming address reuse. Don't.
518 2013-05-16 03:40:15 <gmaxwell> thats already busted and stupid.
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520 2013-05-16 03:40:36 <amiller_> ok so the threat model is not about e.g. a wikileaks public donations box
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524 2013-05-16 03:42:00 <amiller_> i can't think of any example of a 'bad policy' that this could be a solution to if not that one
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529 2013-05-16 03:43:21 <amiller_> maybe i'll focus on the stolen funds case, where a transaction is mined, and then someone announces that that particular txout is stolen
530 2013-05-16 03:44:45 <amiller_> so the first move at T=0, a utxo containing blindable txoutput H(scriptpubkey|out) is in the table
531 2013-05-16 03:44:53 <gmaxwell> the public donation box case is already broken. I mean there are ways around that if you allow the sender to pick the scriptpub key and then tell the reciever about it out of band.. but if they have a channel they can use a one time address.
532 2013-05-16 03:44:54 <amiller_> and then the second move is that this txoutput becomes blacklisted
533 2013-05-16 03:45:06 <gmaxwell> Good okay.
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535 2013-05-16 03:45:47 <amiller_> third move at time T=2 a transaction is mined placing a new commitment in the designated commitments table containing H(scriptpubkey|in)
536 2013-05-16 03:46:13 <gmaxwell> Right.
537 2013-05-16 03:47:49 <amiller_> er okay it's not just that i need to include something else in that transaction right
538 2013-05-16 03:48:14 <amiller_> the third move should have been a transaction that contains H(scriptpubkey|in) as well as an associated txoutput like destinationPubKey
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540 2013-05-16 03:48:56 <gmaxwell> right, a blinded spend.
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542 2013-05-16 03:49:24 <amiller_> okay so now i have to create a fourth move at time T=6 or something that contains an empty transaction or a special transaction that merely releases the commitment?
543 2013-05-16 03:50:29 <gmaxwell> This is where it goes handwavy. Because if you do it that way you've just moved the blockaid point.
544 2013-05-16 03:51:01 <amiller_> right, if the commitment reveal has to be done via confirms in the blockchain then it's still easy to enforce this blacklist
545 2013-05-16 03:51:14 <gmaxwell> So back up, if instead you have it instead pay another blindable output you could potentially indefantly defer the disclosure.
546 2013-05-16 03:51:22 <gmaxwell> Do you see how that works?
547 2013-05-16 03:51:40 <amiller_> indefinitely defer sure
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549 2013-05-16 03:52:45 <gmaxwell> But the problem with that is you can't accept one of those tokens without an increasingly big proof, since you have to check all the commitments, the chain isn't doing the work for you.
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552 2013-05-16 03:53:57 <amiller_> no matter what, as soon as it's time to do the big reveal, that's when the blockade can begin, right?
553 2013-05-16 03:54:07 <TuxBlackEdo> just wanted to mention
554 2013-05-16 03:54:12 <gmaxwell> You can also have the publication itself not require getting mined, it's naturally ratelimited by its mate in the chain. Just publish it. Then someone can create that unblinded spend... but at the risk they get blockcaded.
555 2013-05-16 03:54:20 <TuxBlackEdo> huhuge txn spam right now
556 2013-05-16 03:54:25 <gmaxwell> amiller_: right. but since it's potentially decoupled.
557 2013-05-16 03:54:30 <TuxBlackEdo> http://blockchain.info/
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560 2013-05-16 03:54:42 <gmaxwell> er it means that the collateral damage of any blockaid can be potentially large.
561 2013-05-16 03:54:46 <gmaxwell> TuxBlackEdo: we know.
562 2013-05-16 03:54:57 <TuxBlackEdo> ah
563 2013-05-16 03:55:20 <TuxBlackEdo> I thought the only people that were allowed to spam the blockchain was satoshidice
564 2013-05-16 03:55:50 <gmaxwell> 0.8.2rc blocks this spam... but it's just a RC now.
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568 2013-05-16 03:58:05 <TuxBlackEdo> ok gmaxwell
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570 2013-05-16 03:58:18 <sydna_> the source of the spam is interesting actually.
571 2013-05-16 03:58:20 <randy-waterhouse> gmaxwell: amiller "right, a blinded spend." ... do you guys have any of this written up anywhere for perusal ?
572 2013-05-16 03:58:40 <keystroke> what is the source of the spam?
573 2013-05-16 03:58:51 <randy-waterhouse> DHS?
574 2013-05-16 03:58:52 <sydna_> it looks like somebody put in a few TXs with thousands of dust outputs. the spam we are seeing now is a bot trying to "steal" it from the brain wallet.
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576 2013-05-16 04:00:00 <yubrew_> department of homeland security
577 2013-05-16 04:00:04 <yubrew_> = DHS
578 2013-05-16 04:00:13 <amiller_> ok gmaxwell so the next thing i understand is that then the scriptpubkey needs to secret otherwise someone could create a blind spend with it and jam my coins forever
579 2013-05-16 04:00:20 <sydna_> shows that at least one person has an automatic system stealing from brain wallets though, which is interesting.
580 2013-05-16 04:00:28 <amiller_> you don't need to be in posession of the private key in order to jam some funds destined for pubkey
581 2013-05-16 04:00:36 <gmaxwell> randy-waterhouse: adam back has been posting about it, but I think his posts on it are nearly incomprehensible.
582 2013-05-16 04:00:45 <amiller_> which is iddo's current post in the forum which i am now understand
583 2013-05-16 04:00:49 <keystroke> sorry sydna, it is a bit late, how do you know that?
584 2013-05-16 04:00:59 <gmaxwell> amiller_: yes, I think thats right.
585 2013-05-16 04:01:06 <randy-waterhouse> gmaxwell: adam back in a blog post?
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587 2013-05-16 04:01:19 <gmaxwell> randy-waterhouse: on the forum and on bitcoin-development
588 2013-05-16 04:01:39 <gmaxwell> amiller_: well not forever, since I suppose you could permit an unblinded spend.
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590 2013-05-16 04:02:34 <amiller_> ok i'd need to make a new example for an unblind spend since the concrete rules you laid out previously prevented that (but aided discussion, so was necessary)
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595 2013-05-16 04:05:25 <gmaxwell> amiller_: yea, sorry, I simplified a ton out because it becomes a mess of noise otherwise.
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597 2013-05-16 04:07:06 <Luke-Jr> sydna_: that particular brainwallet is in MtGox's sweep for someone
598 2013-05-16 04:07:56 <sydna_> Luke-Jr: eek. bet that's going to cause trouble for them
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605 2013-05-16 04:15:07 <amiller_> okay how would unblinded spends work
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607 2013-05-16 04:15:18 <amiller_> would an unblind spend take precedent over a blinded spend
608 2013-05-16 04:15:43 <amiller_> eh nvm maybe don't bother as i think iddo's post is going to make him take it back
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610 2013-05-16 04:16:06 <amiller_> or else cause him to whip up more crypto
611 2013-05-16 04:16:33 <gmaxwell> ::nods::
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614 2013-05-16 04:17:22 <randy-waterhouse> abstract to infinity and argue the toss there ....
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647 2013-05-16 04:48:30 <SteveDekorte> how resistant is the network to valid tx spam? eg in this block, there are an lot of very tiny (almost a satoshi) tx outputs https://blockchain.info/address/14cDFrZ8PzDtgdJNSZ2NvJmShHp1JmJVKe
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652 2013-05-16 04:50:46 <SteveDekorte> I'm concerned that the cost of storing the valid tx spam replicated over every node (forever) could exceed the short term cost as seen by the miner willing to do the pow for the spam.
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659 2013-05-16 05:00:08 <Luke-Jr> SteveDekorte: 0.8.2 is filtering out such dust spam by default
660 2013-05-16 05:00:37 <Luke-Jr> so yes, miners could still add it to their blocks, but the nodes carrying the burden have *some* say in trying to stop it from getting relayed to them
661 2013-05-16 05:00:49 <sydna_> the large pools would be on 0.8.2 already wouldn't they?
662 2013-05-16 05:01:40 <warren> sydna_: 0.8.2 is rc1. seems good, but miners probably don't want to risk pre-release software blowing up
663 2013-05-16 05:02:38 <sydna_> warren: good point, and I just realised that the linked TX *is* included in a block
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666 2013-05-16 05:03:54 <warren> I do wonder how long until 0.8.2 is ready. Plenty of reasons why we want it stable.
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668 2013-05-16 05:04:22 <SteveDekorte> Luke-Jr: good to hear but I'm still concerned that it's a place where the economic incentives might not be aligned
669 2013-05-16 05:05:37 <SteveDekorte> Luke-Jr: I can even imagine the big miners might even see it in their interest for the chain to be too big for small fish to deal with
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671 2013-05-16 05:06:15 <Luke-Jr> SteveDekorte: that's my point. it's not solely up to the miners now
672 2013-05-16 05:06:35 <Luke-Jr> enough individual nodes can choose to filter crap that the miners will never hear about it
673 2013-05-16 05:06:47 <Luke-Jr> unfortunately, the filtering still sucks even in 0.8.2
674 2013-05-16 05:07:15 <gmaxwell> SteveDekorte: from a long term perspective that should only be an issue if the spammers are willing to outspend honest transactors.
675 2013-05-16 05:07:39 <Luke-Jr> which we know they are..
676 2013-05-16 05:08:08 <gmaxwell> but right now when there isn't enough real load to fill blocks it's all weird, since the chain growing in excess of actual adoption increasing is bad.
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679 2013-05-16 05:09:00 <warren> gmaxwell: which is why I'm displeased and believe bitcoin isn't taking the spam issue seriously. The new relay policy is an improvement but doesn't go far enough.
680 2013-05-16 05:09:20 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: right now sure. in the long run when people are compeating for block space? not so clear. esp if txout for storage is killed.
681 2013-05-16 05:09:40 <amiller_> i got an error that looked like this in my bitcoind: "errors" : "EXCEPTION: St12out_of_range \nCInv::GetCommand() : type=-321060864 unknown type \nbitcoin in ProcessMessages() \n"
682 2013-05-16 05:09:41 <amiller_> any idea what that is about
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684 2013-05-16 05:10:15 <sipa> amiller_: looks like random garbage
685 2013-05-16 05:10:37 <sipa> in a tcp connection
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687 2013-05-16 05:10:40 <Luke-Jr> warren: did you see gmaxwell's storage-spam killer?
688 2013-05-16 05:10:45 <amiller_> it seemed to crash my node
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691 2013-05-16 05:11:00 <amiller_> sipa, it was caused by random garbage in tcp send over p2p, yeah
692 2013-05-16 05:11:07 <warren> Luke-Jr: only briefly. how likely is that to be accepted by bitcoin?
693 2013-05-16 05:11:13 <gmaxwell> amiller_: kill how?
694 2013-05-16 05:11:59 <amiller_> well after that it became unresponsive to connections
695 2013-05-16 05:12:01 <gmaxwell> warren: if people consider stealing utxo space for storage to be an issueâ high.. otherwise... who cares?
696 2013-05-16 05:12:09 <amiller_> maybe the fact that that's an error message isn't related
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709 2013-05-16 05:19:21 <nospinzy> great i got this json message from blockchain.info 'Maximum Very Small Outputs Exceeded'
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715 2013-05-16 05:21:18 <gmaxwell> nospinzy: wtf are you doing?
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719 2013-05-16 05:24:43 <nospinzy> i have sent over 5000 transaction withint he 2 weeks
720 2013-05-16 05:24:45 <nospinzy> i have used them
721 2013-05-16 05:24:51 <nospinzy> what other options do i have
722 2013-05-16 05:24:57 <nospinzy> i hate dealing with this shit
723 2013-05-16 05:25:25 <sipa> he's building an ad-supported faucet that only pays out dust, iirc
724 2013-05-16 05:26:00 <gmaxwell> nospinzy: you were told that you couldn't do that.
725 2013-05-16 05:26:14 <gmaxwell> nospinzy: you're now finding it out more clearly.
726 2013-05-16 05:26:22 <nospinzy> there is no law
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728 2013-05-16 05:27:42 <jgarzik> amiller_, what bitcoind version were you running, when you saw that message?
729 2013-05-16 05:27:42 <gmaxwell> There is reality, and there is your inability to listen to useful advice, and the resulting problems you have when your confused beliefs and reality intersect.
730 2013-05-16 05:27:52 <warren> nospinzy: pick one of those worthless alt coins, tell your users that you'll pay them WHOLE COINS instead of dust.
731 2013-05-16 05:28:28 <sipa> nospinzy: there is still no point in sending coins to others that are worth less than what they cost to use
732 2013-05-16 05:28:29 <amiller_> jgarzik, 80199
733 2013-05-16 05:28:41 <sipa> nospinzy: but we've been over that, iirc
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735 2013-05-16 05:28:56 <nospinzy> yea i know we have
736 2013-05-16 05:29:19 <gmaxwell> and you're going to continue to have a hard time doing it.
737 2013-05-16 05:29:28 <sipa> so no, i have no better advice for you than to just stop doing it
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739 2013-05-16 05:30:36 <nospinzy> k ill stop
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742 2013-05-16 05:31:10 <nospinzy> what other wallets are good aside from coinbase, and blockchain.info
743 2013-05-16 05:31:33 <warren> does "good" mean allows you to spam?
744 2013-05-16 05:31:33 <ne0futur> nospinzy: use namecoin
745 2013-05-16 05:32:27 <nospinzy> warren that has an api
746 2013-05-16 05:32:33 <nospinzy> IM NOT USING NAMECOIN
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748 2013-05-16 05:34:18 <sydna_> ⦠wow.
749 2013-05-16 05:34:36 <warren> It's bad enough that you are spamming. It's even worse that you can't even run your own server to do it.
750 2013-05-16 05:35:17 <nospinzy> its a service
751 2013-05-16 05:35:55 <sydna_> a service that gives people something that costs more than it's worth to use.
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753 2013-05-16 05:36:11 <sydna_> a bitcoin faucet made sense when they gave out 5BTC blocks, to introduce people to the currency
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756 2013-05-16 05:36:44 <gmaxwell> I has a service.
757 2013-05-16 05:36:56 <gmaxwell> I give out free kickbans.
758 2013-05-16 05:37:37 <sydna_> gmaxwell: the ban list for this channel must be enormous.
759 2013-05-16 05:37:48 <john_z> gmaxwell :)
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833 2013-05-16 07:20:38 <slavik03292> I've been having performance issues with bitcoind with a huge wallet. It takes forever to load and getting new addresses and querying are taking really long now. Any solutions?
834 2013-05-16 07:21:04 <weex> did you import a certain very active private key?
835 2013-05-16 07:21:06 <slavik03292> 400MB wallet file now
836 2013-05-16 07:21:15 <slavik03292> lots of addresses
837 2013-05-16 07:21:26 <weex> make a new wallet?
838 2013-05-16 07:21:38 <slavik03292> what if i need to track all of the old addresses as well?
839 2013-05-16 07:21:46 <Cusipzzz> get a faster server
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841 2013-05-16 07:21:53 <slavik03292> that doesnt help
842 2013-05-16 07:21:59 <slavik03292> it still gets incrementally worse
843 2013-05-16 07:22:06 <slavik03292> crazy I/O
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845 2013-05-16 07:22:33 <slavik03292> is there any way to purge addresses from a running bitcoin wallet?
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847 2013-05-16 07:22:40 <Cusipzzz> you can track addresses externally, and keep the wallet offline until needed
848 2013-05-16 07:23:04 <Cusipzzz> generate a few thousand addresses offline and use those
849 2013-05-16 07:23:41 <slavik03292> and for spending?
850 2013-05-16 07:23:44 <jouke> luke-jr|otg: 7.3 are your own releases?
851 2013-05-16 07:24:16 <Luke-Jr> jouke: ?
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853 2013-05-16 07:24:35 <dugo> load dpriv key in fresh bitcoind
854 2013-05-16 07:24:54 <Cusipzzz> try a faster server anyway, my performance improved with a 50MB wallet
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861 2013-05-16 07:30:45 <jouke> Luke-Jr: Oh, they are on the official sourforge as well, I wasn't looking in the right place. Do you know which key signed: http://kent.dl.sourceforge.net/project/bitcoin/Bitcoin/test/0.7.3rc3/SHA256SUMS.asc
862 2013-05-16 07:31:00 <Luke-Jr> oh, 0.7.3
863 2013-05-16 07:31:29 <Luke-Jr> jouke: yes, that's probably my sig
864 2013-05-16 07:32:18 <Luke-Jr> fingerprint E463 A93F 5F31 17EE DE6C 7316 BD02 9424 21F4 889F
865 2013-05-16 07:32:23 <Luke-Jr> key id BD02942421F4889F
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871 2013-05-16 07:39:33 <lianj> yikes, testnet3 blocks 54504, 54507, 54508 really trolling my softwares serialization roundtrip performance tests
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881 2013-05-16 07:42:03 <jonass> h
882 2013-05-16 07:43:21 <jonass> is there a GUI client implementation of garzik's picocoin?
883 2013-05-16 07:43:27 <jonass> or any other "extensions"?
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890 2013-05-16 07:50:52 <jouke> Luke-Jr: It appears to be signed by a key from nanotube
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898 2013-05-16 07:54:17 <Thepok> 9k unconformed transactions?
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900 2013-05-16 07:54:30 <Thepok> is blockchain.info right?
901 2013-05-16 07:54:57 <Thepok> last time it was that high i remember there was the blockhainfork
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906 2013-05-16 07:57:49 <DonnchaC> Thepol: May 15th hardfork?
907 2013-05-16 08:00:03 <Thepok> no
908 2013-05-16 08:00:08 <jouke> !split $forkcheck
909 2013-05-16 08:00:09 <gribble> Error: "split" is not a valid command.
910 2013-05-16 08:00:13 <jouke> oh, wrong channel
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912 2013-05-16 08:00:53 <jouke> 09:39 < Arbitron> Height -> 6.3 - 236426 | 7.2 - 236426 | 8.1 - 236426 | 8.2rc1 - 236426 | bexplr - 236426 | bcinfo - 236426
913 2013-05-16 08:00:56 <jouke> 09:39 < Arbitron> 236426 -> 6.3 - 216ef4 | 7.2 - 216ef4 | 8.1 - 216ef4 | 8.2rc1 - 216ef4 | bexplr - 216ef4 | bcinfo - 216ef4
914 2013-05-16 08:01:20 <Thepok> good
915 2013-05-16 08:01:48 <Thepok> where else can i get unconformed transactioncount?
916 2013-05-16 08:09:42 <jouke> Can ayone confirm that D87716D4 is the key from nanotube and is a key I can trust?
917 2013-05-16 08:09:58 <lianj> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1efmzy/satoshidice_announcement/ \o/
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921 2013-05-16 08:13:41 <lianj> hrm, prolly a fake though, no?
922 2013-05-16 08:14:57 <MC1984_> well, luke is trying to mine a deathblock
923 2013-05-16 08:15:04 <MC1984_> or has the ability to
924 2013-05-16 08:16:33 <MC1984_> wow SD finally work out theyve been poking a lion in the ass for the last 2 years
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928 2013-05-16 08:17:23 <MC1984_> one of the principles even lives in new york afaik, crazy motherfuckers
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930 2013-05-16 08:17:57 <flound1129> so.. what would cause this?
931 2013-05-16 08:18:10 <sipa> cause what?
932 2013-05-16 08:18:33 <flound1129> bitcoind getrawtransaction 00000000000011ec0f82fe9f004a30ef1be7aa2c66599f4994e4e5a5d49c6033 1
933 2013-05-16 08:18:36 <flound1129> error: {"code":-5,"message":"No information available about transaction"}
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935 2013-05-16 08:18:41 <flound1129> but if I use gettransaction, it returns data
936 2013-05-16 08:19:50 <sipa> flound1129: http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/9147/getrawtransaction-error-code-5
937 2013-05-16 08:20:16 <sipa> getrawtransaction fetches from the blockchain, and needs an index
938 2013-05-16 08:20:25 <sipa> gettransaction fetches from the wallet
939 2013-05-16 08:20:52 <flound1129> thanks
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942 2013-05-16 08:23:31 <flound1129> will that use a lot more space or cause a performance hit?
943 2013-05-16 08:24:04 <sipa> half a gigabyte of storage, and it will slow down validation a bit
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972 2013-05-16 08:46:32 <jouke> Can ayone confirm that D87716D4 is the key from nanotube and is a key I can trust to sign bitcoin-test-releases?
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976 2013-05-16 08:49:07 <warren> jouke: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0xD87716D4
977 2013-05-16 08:49:33 <warren> jouke: it appears to be signed by only two people. I don't know who they are. OTOH I don't know who nanotube is either. =)
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984 2013-05-16 08:58:16 <jouke> Luke-Jr: the backports are signed by a key I cannot identify.
985 2013-05-16 08:58:40 <davout> why would nanotube sign test releases ?
986 2013-05-16 08:58:44 <ne0futur> jouke: 10:35 <+ne0futur> ;;gpg info nanotube
987 2013-05-16 08:58:56 <ne0futur> 10:35 <@gribble> User 'nanotube', with keyid E7F938BEC95594B2, fingerprint D8B11AAC59A873B0F38D475CE7F938BEC95594B2, and bitcoin address 1J4yzUXMuhuF28M3VYpqtmride5tj5smbi, registered on Sun Mar 6 13:00:41 2011. http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=nanotube . Currently not authenticated.
988 2013-05-16 08:59:23 <ne0futur> thatsthe ony nanotube key I now
989 2013-05-16 08:59:25 <ne0futur> know
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992 2013-05-16 09:00:31 <jouke> davout: I don't know, but this is signed by that key isn't it? http://kent.dl.sourceforge.net/project/bitcoin/Bitcoin/test/0.7.3rc3/SHA256SUMS.asc
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995 2013-05-16 09:00:48 <ne0futur> jouke: but i ll ask on #bitcoin-ops
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998 2013-05-16 09:01:11 <jouke> Or am I noobing?
999 2013-05-16 09:01:16 <davout> jouke: gpg: Signature made Wed 08 May 2013 07:56:43 PM CEST using RSA key ID D87716D4
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1006 2013-05-16 09:09:19 <jouke> Maybe it is some automatic sourceforge thingy.
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1010 2013-05-16 09:14:02 <ghash> net.cpp:18:32: fatal error: miniupnpc/miniwget.h: No such file or directory
1011 2013-05-16 09:14:03 <ghash> compilation terminated.
1012 2013-05-16 09:14:03 <ghash> make: *** [obj/net.o] Error 1
1013 2013-05-16 09:14:13 <ghash> bitcoind compiling error -- anyone got a clue?
1014 2013-05-16 09:14:34 <warren> what distro are you on?
1015 2013-05-16 09:14:56 <ghash> nvm, googled
1016 2013-05-16 09:14:59 <ghash> ubuntu 12.04
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1018 2013-05-16 09:15:41 <ne0futur> D87716D4 appears nowhere in the gpg web of trust . . .
1019 2013-05-16 09:16:04 <ne0futur> jouke: you re not noobish, you are right
1020 2013-05-16 09:16:24 <warren> ne0futur: it's on the PGP key server with two signatories
1021 2013-05-16 09:16:33 <warren> where's the backport sigs?
1022 2013-05-16 09:17:16 <ne0futur> http://nanotube.users.sourceforge.net/
1023 2013-05-16 09:18:21 <warren> I mean the actual signed binaries mentioned earlier
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1025 2013-05-16 09:19:27 <jouke> http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/test/
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1029 2013-05-16 09:21:33 <warren> jouke: http://pastebin.com/MYidtSPz
1030 2013-05-16 09:21:58 <dugo> ghash: mkdir obj
1031 2013-05-16 09:22:16 <warren> depth 0, two signers (self-sign doesn't count). depth 1, 33 signers
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1034 2013-05-16 09:23:27 <ne0futur> I asked to nanotube, if its legit i ll sign it
1035 2013-05-16 09:23:30 * ne0futur have a pretty good gpg wot
1036 2013-05-16 09:24:34 <warren> I have to meet folks. I haven't done GPG signing in years.
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1043 2013-05-16 09:29:38 <jouke> warren: my gpg client only got 3 signatures at level 1
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1048 2013-05-16 09:32:21 <jouke> Are these signatures normally uploaded to a keyserver? If so, I guess you use an other keyserver than I do?
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1055 2013-05-16 09:37:22 <hazrd> hey all
1056 2013-05-16 09:37:27 <hazrd> what's everyone's view on more altcoins? good or bad thing?
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1058 2013-05-16 09:37:51 <hazrd> personally i feel it's a good thing
1059 2013-05-16 09:38:35 <hazrd> bitcoin is obviously the most established and could become the "gold standard" of the cyber currencies, but are new coins a good thing?
1060 2013-05-16 09:40:04 <warren> jouke: key servers are supposed to synchronize with each other
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1065 2013-05-16 09:41:43 <warren> who operatoes bitcoin-otc.com? the web of trust is reallly slow
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1069 2013-05-16 09:48:24 <davout> hazrd: good and bad are concepts that make no sense here
1070 2013-05-16 09:48:38 <davout> hazrd: either it's used or it isn't
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1085 2013-05-16 09:56:01 <hazrd> fair enough
1086 2013-05-16 09:56:28 <gdbz> https://blockchain.info/nl/block-height/236433 Only one transaction. Is this a bug or is the next block too fast?
1087 2013-05-16 09:56:32 <hazrd> was thinking that it should be used - since we have USD/GBP/CHF etc. it's useful to be able to assign value to multiple currencies
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1092 2013-05-16 09:59:07 <Luke-Jr> jouke: can always get the sigs from gitian if the ones on SF are no good
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1094 2013-05-16 09:59:46 <warren> Luke-Jr: sorry, where's your gentoo port of gitian again? i'm looking into what it will take to make a fedora port.
1095 2013-05-16 09:59:49 <Luke-Jr> MC1984: AFAIK, EVoorhees no longer lives in New York; on the run, I guess
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1097 2013-05-16 10:00:30 <MC1984> on the un lol
1098 2013-05-16 10:03:13 <warren> how much disk does gitian need?
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1100 2013-05-16 10:03:27 <Luke-Jr> warren: it's mainlined
1101 2013-05-16 10:03:33 <dugo> hazrd: version byte is a bit small to support the number of currencys in the world if they also want a testnet
1102 2013-05-16 10:04:05 <Luke-Jr> warren: my gitian dir is 5 GB, so I'd make at least 6 GB for it
1103 2013-05-16 10:04:06 <ne0futur> warren: if you ever come to peur/cusco/machu pichu ping me : 0x690B4E07
1104 2013-05-16 10:04:17 <ne0futur> http://webware.lysator.liu.se/jc/wotsap/wots/latest/keystatistics/0x690B4E07.txt
1105 2013-05-16 10:04:28 <ne0futur> warren: also see http://biglumber.com/
1106 2013-05-16 10:04:54 <ne0futur> s/peur/peru
1107 2013-05-16 10:05:00 <warren> I am unlikely to leave Hawaii for a while. =)
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1109 2013-05-16 10:05:21 <ne0futur> ewll if you host me for free for a few months . . . i could come there :p
1110 2013-05-16 10:05:49 <warren> I do have an extra bedroom
1111 2013-05-16 10:05:53 <warren> soon to be full of miners
1112 2013-05-16 10:05:55 <warren> loud
1113 2013-05-16 10:06:15 <ne0futur> yup i wouldnt share my couch with miners ;( even for free food
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1115 2013-05-16 10:06:52 <MC1984> http://twit.cachefly.net/video/tri/tri0103/tri0103_h264m_864x480_500.mp4 intresting talk with gavin if anyone wants
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1117 2013-05-16 10:08:27 <warren> Luke-Jr: do you use it in LXC or kvm mode?
1118 2013-05-16 10:08:31 <Luke-Jr> KVM
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1124 2013-05-16 10:14:50 <warren> anyone know why gitian uses miniupnp 1.6 when 1.8 is latest upstream?
1125 2013-05-16 10:15:26 <ne0futur> Luke-Jr: if you need a mirror for yout git just query me
1126 2013-05-16 10:15:37 <Luke-Jr> ne0futur: which git? :p
1127 2013-05-16 10:15:37 <ne0futur> and anyone needing mirroring for bitcoin related stuff
1128 2013-05-16 10:15:55 <Luke-Jr> warren: 1.6 is more tested and widespread?
1129 2013-05-16 10:15:57 <ne0futur> cahier2.ww7.be/bitcoinmirror
1130 2013-05-16 10:16:24 <Luke-Jr> mtgox.tgz?
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1132 2013-05-16 10:16:59 <ne0futur> i dont even remember what it is but its from 2011
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1134 2013-05-16 10:17:04 <Luke-Jr> probably illegal
1135 2013-05-16 10:17:14 <ne0futur> yup
1136 2013-05-16 10:17:18 <Luke-Jr> ne0futur: I have a mirror of all these: http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin/
1137 2013-05-16 10:17:23 <ne0futur> thanks for the notice
1138 2013-05-16 10:17:31 <MC1984> did anyone catch amir taaki semingly claiming to know who satoshi is
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1140 2013-05-16 10:18:36 <ne0futur> probably illegal stuff removed
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1146 2013-05-16 10:21:42 <Luke-Jr> ne0futur: more potentially illegal stuff under phantomcircuit/?
1147 2013-05-16 10:21:59 <ne0futur> why ?
1148 2013-05-16 10:22:23 <ne0futur> many peple use that script to get historical data
1149 2013-05-16 10:22:47 <ne0futur> its just using the mtgox api
1150 2013-05-16 10:23:41 <ne0futur> and allow people to save time downloading the sqlite db if they trust me
1151 2013-05-16 10:23:52 <ne0futur> its just all the historical data
1152 2013-05-16 10:23:55 <nsh> what's all this illegal talk?
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1154 2013-05-16 10:26:07 <warren> Under U.S. copyright law things, a database of things prices does not deserve copyright protection. You might try to use contract law to prevent copying it (terms of service). I hear that the EU has some kinds of database protection under law but I never studied it.
1155 2013-05-16 10:26:18 <warren> s/things//
1156 2013-05-16 10:26:19 <Luke-Jr> ne0futur: I hadn't downloaded it, hence "potentially"
1157 2013-05-16 10:26:57 <jchp> warren: it's not illegal under copyright, it's illegal under the computer fraud and abuse act
1158 2013-05-16 10:27:19 <nsh> things aren't illegal
1159 2013-05-16 10:27:24 <nsh> acts are
1160 2013-05-16 10:27:35 <jchp> distribution is the act
1161 2013-05-16 10:27:59 <warren> jchp: that's what I said, copyright law does not give protection to things like databases
1162 2013-05-16 10:28:42 <warren> U.S. copyright law has rejected the "sweat of the brow" doctrine. You don't get protection just because it took "lots of hard work" to build something.
1163 2013-05-16 10:28:47 <hazrd> dugo, what would the impact be if we simply increased the version byte to a word?
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1165 2013-05-16 10:30:18 <Luke-Jr> hazrd: most of the altcoins are just scams in disguise
1166 2013-05-16 10:31:41 <jchp> warren: sorry i didn't realize you were discussing historical data, thought you were discussing the old mtgox db hack
1167 2013-05-16 10:31:49 <Luke-Jr> hazrd: also, a few days ago, I sent a proposed replacement for base58check to the dev ML, which had a dedicated 16-bit "namespace" field
1168 2013-05-16 10:31:53 <warren> just databases in general
1169 2013-05-16 10:32:07 <warren> you can't copyright a database
1170 2013-05-16 10:32:44 <hazrd> Luke-Jr, agreed. It's always difficult getting something legit started with all the damn skiddies ddos'ing and scammers selling ripples
1171 2013-05-16 10:32:58 <hazrd> (not a _complete_ dig at a certain currency... but really!?)
1172 2013-05-16 10:33:04 <warren> ok .... fedora has nothing called vmbuilder. Is this an upstream project, or an Ubuntu specific tool?
1173 2013-05-16 10:33:20 <hazrd> Luke-Jr, sounds like a good idea
1174 2013-05-16 10:33:51 <hazrd> warren, probably a debian thing
1175 2013-05-16 10:34:15 <warren> Luke-Jr: did you import debian's vmbuilder into gentoo?
1176 2013-05-16 10:34:38 <Luke-Jr> warren: Ubuntu's, yes. AFAIK Debian doesn't have vmbuilder..
1177 2013-05-16 10:34:52 <jchp> warren: did you try the package python-vm-builder ?
1178 2013-05-16 10:35:03 <warren> looing
1179 2013-05-16 10:35:09 <warren> looking after looing
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1181 2013-05-16 10:35:39 <warren> we have no python-vm-builder
1182 2013-05-16 10:35:57 <warren> https://launchpad.net/vmbuilder I assume this is it?
1183 2013-05-16 10:36:03 <Luke-Jr> nobody does except Ubuntu and (now) Gentoo
1184 2013-05-16 10:36:23 <jchp> warren: http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/python-vm-builder
1185 2013-05-16 10:36:38 <warren> I realize how much faster things will be if I just switch distros. But no.
1186 2013-05-16 10:36:46 <jchp> you do have universe enabled, right?
1187 2013-05-16 10:36:56 <Luke-Jr> warren: if you port to Fedora, gmaxwell can do gitian too :D
1188 2013-05-16 10:37:14 <warren> universe?
1189 2013-05-16 10:37:24 <warren> Luke-Jr: you had to port debootstrap too?
1190 2013-05-16 10:37:31 <Luke-Jr> warren: no, Gentoo already had that
1191 2013-05-16 10:37:38 <warren> ooh, we have it
1192 2013-05-16 10:37:42 <warren> surprisingly
1193 2013-05-16 10:37:53 <Luke-Jr> you'll also need apt cacher thing
1194 2013-05-16 10:38:00 <Luke-Jr> which Gentoo also had already
1195 2013-05-16 10:38:49 <warren> we don't have apt anything here
1196 2013-05-16 10:38:56 <warren> is apt cacher independent of apt-otherstuff?
1197 2013-05-16 10:39:01 <Luke-Jr> yes
1198 2013-05-16 10:39:09 <warren> ok
1199 2013-05-16 10:41:18 <warren> what is apt cacher? a proxy?
1200 2013-05-16 10:41:31 <Luke-Jr> more or less
1201 2013-05-16 10:41:39 <Luke-Jr> gitian fetches packages for every build
1202 2013-05-16 10:41:42 <warren> I wrote sometihng like this a few years ago, a yum proxy
1203 2013-05-16 10:41:45 <Luke-Jr> so the cacher is there to cache
1204 2013-05-16 10:42:46 <warren> I got a summer of code student to work on the next gen prototype that uses bittorrent to massively replicate new mirror changes as the master pushes snapshots.
1205 2013-05-16 10:42:52 <warren> ran out of time and stopped working on it
1206 2013-05-16 10:43:46 <warren> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Apt-Cacher-Server I see docs. Where do I find the upstream source for apt cacher?
1207 2013-05-16 10:43:55 <Luke-Jr> shrug
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1209 2013-05-16 10:45:59 <warren> apt-cacher or apt-cacher-ng?
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1212 2013-05-16 10:49:26 <warren> http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/apt-cacher trying this one
1213 2013-05-16 10:51:05 <warren> Luke-Jr: does gitian rebuild the entire VM for every build?
1214 2013-05-16 10:51:14 <warren> (how much do I really need apt-cacher?)
1215 2013-05-16 10:51:15 <Luke-Jr> no, just the delta
1216 2013-05-16 10:51:21 <Luke-Jr> apt-cacher-ng
1217 2013-05-16 10:51:25 <warren> oh
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1219 2013-05-16 10:52:59 <warren> does it work without apt-cacher? I'm basically doing gitian on the same network as a Linux mirror.
1220 2013-05-16 10:54:11 <jouke> Luke-Jr: I can't find the key that signed the test-releases on gitian
1221 2013-05-16 10:54:41 <warren> jouke: can't find? I showed it to you. unless you mean the private key.
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1223 2013-05-16 10:55:58 <Luke-Jr> jouke: there are 3 or 4 signers in the gitian repo..
1224 2013-05-16 10:56:12 <Luke-Jr> jouke: my key should be easily accessible on pgp.mit.edu or such
1225 2013-05-16 10:56:18 <jouke> warren: yeah, you fetched a key, I did as well, but I can't verify that this actually belongs to someone with trust.
1226 2013-05-16 10:56:29 <diki> Luke-Jr:Any bitcoind patches to allow native long-polling?
1227 2013-05-16 10:56:35 <Luke-Jr> diki: for GBT, yes
1228 2013-05-16 10:56:46 <diki> and getwork, I am talking for solo mining
1229 2013-05-16 10:57:00 <jouke> Luke-Jr: for the backports?
1230 2013-05-16 10:57:47 <Luke-Jr> diki: solo mining needs GBT
1231 2013-05-16 10:57:51 <Luke-Jr> jouke: yes..
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1234 2013-05-16 10:59:49 <diki> Luke-Jr:I am using an almost up-to-date git code
1235 2013-05-16 11:00:05 <diki> and while I do see a getblocktemplate command, cgminer doesn't use it
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1237 2013-05-16 11:06:57 <Luke-Jr> diki: cgminer doesn't support solo mining, upgrade to BFGMiner
1238 2013-05-16 11:07:39 <diki> and then the miner will get alerted the moment my bitcoin node receives news about a new block?
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1241 2013-05-16 11:10:08 <jouke> Luke-Jr: sorry for being a noob, but can you show me the signatures? I can't find them :(
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1243 2013-05-16 11:14:19 <warren> bam. python-vm-builder rpm.
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1249 2013-05-16 11:20:51 <Luke-Jr> jouke: https://github.com/bitcoin/gitian.sigs
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1251 2013-05-16 11:23:53 <warren> grrr, it wants dpkg too
1252 2013-05-16 11:24:12 <warren> huh, which fedora has
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1259 2013-05-16 11:32:23 <diki> Darn it
1260 2013-05-16 11:32:30 <diki> libdb4.8++-dev is not present for ubuntu 12.04
1261 2013-05-16 11:32:34 <diki> just great...
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1271 2013-05-16 11:39:35 <coingenuity> http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/package/super_os/oneiric/main/base/libdb4.8++ diki
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1273 2013-05-16 11:40:18 <coingenuity> http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/libdb4.8++-dev er, this is what you need
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1275 2013-05-16 11:41:19 <diki> Tried that one
1276 2013-05-16 11:41:31 <diki> E:package "blah blah" whatever
1277 2013-05-16 11:41:48 <diki> I tried a lot of variations, but no success
1278 2013-05-16 11:41:50 <diki> and db_cxx.h
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1280 2013-05-16 11:42:17 <Luke-Jr> diki: apt-add-repository ppa:bitcoin/bitcoin
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1282 2013-05-16 11:42:19 <Luke-Jr> or smth like that
1283 2013-05-16 11:42:48 <Luke-Jr> coingenuity: you going to the conf?
1284 2013-05-16 11:43:02 <coingenuity> Luke-Jr: i am :)
1285 2013-05-16 11:43:43 <coingenuity> are you going to be there?
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1287 2013-05-16 11:43:50 <Luke-Jr> coingenuity: cool; yep, flying out today
1288 2013-05-16 11:44:09 <coingenuity> ah, nice
1289 2013-05-16 11:44:18 <diki> Added it
1290 2013-05-16 11:44:26 <diki> but still no libdb-4.8++-dev
1291 2013-05-16 11:44:30 <Luke-Jr> apt-get update
1292 2013-05-16 11:44:32 <nsh> diki apt-get update
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1294 2013-05-16 11:44:42 <nsh> DON'T RUN LUKE-JR'S COMMAND
1295 2013-05-16 11:45:08 <nsh> (j/k)
1296 2013-05-16 11:45:32 <diki> Ran it, but same deal
1297 2013-05-16 11:45:34 <coingenuity> lol
1298 2013-05-16 11:45:47 <diki> Apparently there is no libdb-4.8++-dev for 12.04
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1300 2013-05-16 11:47:54 <diki> No libdb-4.8++-dev, or libdb-4.8++ or libdb-4.8++-devel
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1313 2013-05-16 11:55:24 <diki> With these repositories it was supposed to be very easy to install libs
1314 2013-05-16 11:55:32 <diki> now I have to compile from source
1315 2013-05-16 11:56:23 <diki> Cant wait for some custom storage implementation
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1318 2013-05-16 11:56:39 <diki> that way it will be bundled with bitcoin, and not depending on much things
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1332 2013-05-16 12:10:30 <Luke-Jr> so anyone to meet up with in Chicago? I think I have an hour to spare.
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1341 2013-05-16 12:15:10 <BlueMatt> diki: its libdb4.8++-dev not libdb-4.8++-dev
1342 2013-05-16 12:15:42 <diki> so thats where the little critter was hiding, thanks
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1346 2013-05-16 12:18:44 <diki> Btw, I wanted to ask about tx relaying
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1349 2013-05-16 12:19:11 <diki> So do nodes relay ANY transaction they see to other nodes, or they first verify and then relay?
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1353 2013-05-16 12:25:31 <MC1984> umm, verify
1354 2013-05-16 12:25:59 <nsh> relaying without verification would make it at lot easier to stress the network with nonsense
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1362 2013-05-16 12:30:31 <diki> nsh:What about rule conforming?
1363 2013-05-16 12:30:53 <diki> Does a node first check if the tx conforms to it's custom rules, or relays regardless of say fee?
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1365 2013-05-16 12:31:05 * nsh does not know
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1367 2013-05-16 12:33:19 <MC1984> there are spam rules
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1369 2013-05-16 12:33:34 <MC1984> notably the rcent 5450 satoshi rule
1370 2013-05-16 12:33:37 <MC1984> it wont relay
1371 2013-05-16 12:33:51 <nsh> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Free_transaction_relay_policy
1372 2013-05-16 12:34:47 <nsh> there's some more involved logic too:
1373 2013-05-16 12:34:48 <nsh> The reference implementation's rules for relaying transactions across the peer-to-peer network are very similar to the rules for sending transactions, but a smaller value of 0.0001 BTC is used to determine whether or not a transaction is considered "Free". To prevent "penny-flooding" denial-of-service attacks on the network, the reference implementation caps the number of free transactions it will relay to other nodes to (by default) 15 thousand bytes per mi
1374 2013-05-16 12:34:48 <nsh> nute.
1375 2013-05-16 12:34:51 <nsh> -https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transaction_fees#Relaying
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1380 2013-05-16 12:42:05 <diki> Also, what may I do to get more than 8 connections?
1381 2013-05-16 12:42:43 <MC1984> open your port
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1383 2013-05-16 12:42:47 <diki> it is
1384 2013-05-16 12:42:54 <MC1984> are you sure
1385 2013-05-16 12:42:56 <diki> I mean, I can't open something if it's not blocked
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1395 2013-05-16 12:53:18 <Aurigae> anybody here with a conky setup on bitcoin?
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1404 2013-05-16 13:04:03 <k00shi> What's conky?
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1406 2013-05-16 13:07:10 <Aurigae> sec, ill get you a link, anyway, its a linux desktop data monitor, pretty neat ustomizeable
1407 2013-05-16 13:07:59 <Aurigae> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conky_%28software%29
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1409 2013-05-16 13:08:59 <Aurigae> https://www.google.com/search?q=conky+linux&client=browser-ubuntu&hs=oeJ&channel=fe&hl=en&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=n9SUUfTJDMSsPLzUgaAG&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAQ&biw=1601&bih=983
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1411 2013-05-16 13:09:43 <Aurigae> have seen some guy had bitcoin data included with nice charting, looked awesome
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1415 2013-05-16 13:14:42 <Aurigae> http://pastebin.com/QiqvQUN0 ---- .conkyrc
1416 2013-05-16 13:14:42 <Aurigae> http://pastebin.com/Qq4847Vp --- conky_grey.lua
1417 2013-05-16 13:14:42 <Aurigae> thats my conky setup for now, not complete / tweaked yet
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1422 2013-05-16 13:15:44 <Aurigae> 1920x1200 desktop ....
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1427 2013-05-16 13:18:57 <MC1984> what ar the chances of zerocoin or similar being one day fully implemented into the protocol
1428 2013-05-16 13:19:09 <MC1984> is any one important ideologically against it
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1430 2013-05-16 13:20:04 <Luke-Jr> MC1984: about zero, it's possible but not practical
1431 2013-05-16 13:20:19 <Luke-Jr> and even if it were practical, you'd need to give users time to upgrade
1432 2013-05-16 13:20:38 <MC1984> not practical? i thout the verdict was it would work
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1434 2013-05-16 13:21:05 <HM_> it working is what makes it possible
1435 2013-05-16 13:21:22 <MC1984> ok
1436 2013-05-16 13:21:33 <MC1984> so what are the impracticalities
1437 2013-05-16 13:22:00 <MC1984> too many extra txn or something?
1438 2013-05-16 13:22:27 <Luke-Jr> MC1984: every signature is like 20 kB or something
1439 2013-05-16 13:22:43 <Luke-Jr> and it creates a new unprunable data store that grows forever
1440 2013-05-16 13:22:43 <Aurigae> https://gist.github.com/onjin/5353298 ... think i got it ... trying ....
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1442 2013-05-16 13:25:29 <MC1984> hm yeah thats impractical
1443 2013-05-16 13:25:38 <MC1984> for the medium term at least
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1445 2013-05-16 13:31:39 <jonass> anyone has experiance with garzik's picocoin?
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1447 2013-05-16 13:32:59 <warren> Luke-Jr: gitian port to Fedora done. I only had to port five packages.
1448 2013-05-16 13:33:15 <warren> Fedora is sooo simple and time saving.
1449 2013-05-16 13:33:20 * warren facepalm.
1450 2013-05-16 13:33:31 <warren> and python-vm-builder just crashed
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1453 2013-05-16 13:34:05 <warren> ImportError: No module named Cheetah.Template
1454 2013-05-16 13:34:11 <warren> I think I will sleep on this
1455 2013-05-16 13:37:34 <tonikt> 1JwSSubhmg6iPtRjtyqhUYYH7bZg3Lfy1T already has 23273 unspent outputs, 0.00000250 BTC each, and BTC Guild keeps mining more and more of them
1456 2013-05-16 13:38:51 <warren> tonikt: go contact the guild person
1457 2013-05-16 13:38:54 <BlueMatt> meh, so what?
1458 2013-05-16 13:39:03 <BlueMatt> they are being combined so it doesnt really matter
1459 2013-05-16 13:39:17 <BlueMatt> (ie they are pruneable eventually)
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1461 2013-05-16 13:40:01 <tonikt> BlueMatt: what do you mean by "pruneable"?
1462 2013-05-16 13:40:15 <tonikt> You cannot spend them - I tried :)
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1464 2013-05-16 13:41:04 <tonikt> But if you think you can, here is their key: 5KJvsngHeMpm884wtkJNzQGaCErckhHJBGFsvd3VyK5qMZXj3hS
1465 2013-05-16 13:41:31 <BlueMatt> oh, those txn are all unconfirmed
1466 2013-05-16 13:41:35 <BlueMatt> meh, whatever
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1468 2013-05-16 13:43:05 <MC1984> they wont confirm
1469 2013-05-16 13:43:12 <MC1984> right
1470 2013-05-16 13:43:51 <Luke-Jr> BlueMatt: prunable only from indexes, not from the blockchain
1471 2013-05-16 13:44:31 <BlueMatt> meh
1472 2013-05-16 13:44:37 * BlueMatt doesnt really care about chain growth
1473 2013-05-16 13:44:44 <BlueMatt> its the indexes that matters for processing time
1474 2013-05-16 13:45:03 <BlueMatt> and chain can be distributed on 10TB hdds fedexed for 10 bitcents when its too big
1475 2013-05-16 13:45:28 <BlueMatt> (or, by that time, use verifyable computing to distribute secure indexes without the chain at all)
1476 2013-05-16 13:45:47 <warren> gmaxwell: jgarzik: Luke-Jr: I'm really close to getting gitian to work on Fedora. Any idea what could cause this error? http://pastebin.com/UQdKGCNu
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1478 2013-05-16 13:46:32 <BlueMatt> no loop module loaded
1479 2013-05-16 13:46:42 <BlueMatt> or fedora is configured to give different partition names to loops
1480 2013-05-16 13:46:45 <BlueMatt> or...whatever
1481 2013-05-16 13:46:52 <BlueMatt> I wouldnt be surprised about the second
1482 2013-05-16 13:47:15 <warren> oh, this isn't in the VM yet?
1483 2013-05-16 13:47:26 <warren> I just rushed this as fast as possible.
1484 2013-05-16 13:47:42 <warren> spent the last few hours porting a few debian packages
1485 2013-05-16 13:48:25 <warren> 3:25am here. will continue tomorrow.
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1492 2013-05-16 13:59:29 <tonikt> what do you guys mean saying that they are prunable? should I expect another big chain fork, as soon as anyone manages to mine any of these outputs into a block?
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1494 2013-05-16 13:59:49 <B0g4r7_> Man, running out of disk space completely killa bitcoind.
1495 2013-05-16 14:00:28 <B0g4r7_> Time for a bigger SSD I guess.
1496 2013-05-16 14:02:27 <helo> tonikt: outputs that aren't spent are not prunable
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1498 2013-05-16 14:02:36 <tonikt> are a completely valid transactions, which don't end up in an index, some new feature of the new clients?
1499 2013-05-16 14:03:10 <helo> not sure what you mean by "don't end up in an index"
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1501 2013-05-16 14:03:34 <Luke-Jr> tonikt: no, but plannedish
1502 2013-05-16 14:03:38 <Luke-Jr> tonikt: without a fork
1503 2013-05-16 14:04:26 <tonikt> so if someone manages to mine any of these outputs in - it will be a valid block?
1504 2013-05-16 14:04:33 <tonikt> just want to be sure :)
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1509 2013-05-16 14:07:24 <tonikt> sorry, english is not my native language, but if you say that a transaction is "prunable .. from indexes" - for me it means, that it is removed from the index of unspent outputs
1510 2013-05-16 14:08:39 <tonikt> .. but that would have to be some recently added feature, since I've never heard about it before
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1515 2013-05-16 14:12:58 <diki> so if I was a miner, and included transactions in my blocks, which were feeless, i.e they had 0 fee, would that in any way break anything, or perhaps not get accepted by the network?
1516 2013-05-16 14:13:56 <diki> let me rephrase, add ONLY those transactions which have no fees
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1520 2013-05-16 14:16:24 <warren> BlueMatt: the loop names it is given by kpartx is exactly as vmbuilder expects. There might be a delay though that vmbuilder may not be expecting. looking
1521 2013-05-16 14:17:34 <warren> unless... this isn't using kpartx...
1522 2013-05-16 14:17:52 <BlueMatt> the script is fairly ubuntu-specific iirc, so it may not be
1523 2013-05-16 14:18:22 <rdponticelli> diki: afaik validity rules has nothing to do with fees, so as a miner you can mine everything whitout fees, and all will be perfectly valid
1524 2013-05-16 14:19:03 <tonikt> Luke-Jr: 4 of these spam txs were mined by your pool. Shame on you! ;)
1525 2013-05-16 14:19:13 <diki> and if I choose to include transactions with err inputs/outputs(not sure which one of these it was) with less than 5240 satoshis?
1526 2013-05-16 14:20:04 <rdponticelli> Your choice, they're valid
1527 2013-05-16 14:22:34 <warren> BlueMatt: I'm not sure what is actually running during that error. there is no calls to mkfs.ext4 in gitian's source itself.
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1529 2013-05-16 14:23:19 <BlueMatt> its not gitian, its python-vm-builder
1530 2013-05-16 14:24:22 <warren> ah crap. I was tired 5 hours ago. better stop now.
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1537 2013-05-16 14:31:43 <Luke-Jr> tonikt: spam filtering is pretty much disabled for now, trying to trigger the fork
1538 2013-05-16 14:31:51 <Luke-Jr> just turned it back on since I'll be in the air today
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1540 2013-05-16 14:33:19 <tonikt> Luke-Jr: man, this block you've just mined #236456 - it's terrible
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1543 2013-05-16 14:34:45 <Luke-Jr> not terrible enough
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1545 2013-05-16 14:34:54 <Luke-Jr> barely 1000 txids
1546 2013-05-16 14:35:16 <michagogo> What isn't terrible?
1547 2013-05-16 14:36:16 <Luke-Jr> tonikt: remind me to blacklist those spammer addresses after the conference..
1548 2013-05-16 14:38:01 <tonikt> Luke-Jr: I will try to remember :)
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1550 2013-05-16 14:38:53 <dugo> i think she's pretty
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1577 2013-05-16 15:02:56 <nospinzy> are there servers that have the blockchain already installed
1578 2013-05-16 15:03:20 <nospinzy> so you can use the client
1579 2013-05-16 15:03:23 <nanotube> jouke: davout: warren: ne0futur: yes, 33D1 BAAA F97D 4623 13B3 827A BA57 9C84 D877 16D4 is my key
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1581 2013-05-16 15:03:41 <k00shi> Guys how much work would it be to make bitcoind work in headers-only mode?
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1584 2013-05-16 15:06:28 <helo> about fifteen
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1586 2013-05-16 15:06:39 <k00shi> Makes sense
1587 2013-05-16 15:06:44 <k00shi> I was thinking 18 or 19
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1590 2013-05-16 15:10:23 <ne0futur> jouke: nanotube confirmed its his key ( and I signed it for the WoT )
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1592 2013-05-16 15:11:30 <ne0futur> jouke: imo a release key should be signed by at least a few bitoin developpers, you were right to ask since no info was available about D87716D4
1593 2013-05-16 15:14:47 <jouke> ne0futur: well, there is also this: https://github.com/bitcoin/gitian.sigs
1594 2013-05-16 15:16:24 <ne0futur> but google couldnt find anything about D87716D4
1595 2013-05-16 15:21:43 <[Tycho]> Oh, wow, breaking news here
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1597 2013-05-16 15:22:41 <[Tycho]> http://blog.wmtransfer.com/en/blog/wmx-the-new-type-of-title-units#.UZT0KWY3_pQ
1598 2013-05-16 15:23:26 <ne0futur> yup its a news but i understood mostly nothing about how it works with bitcoin
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1601 2013-05-16 15:24:50 <Cusipzzz> yes, WMZ news is huge
1602 2013-05-16 15:25:11 <[Tycho]> Now then can apply bank multiplier to bitcoins, take fees from normal transactions and seize/suspend wallets with bitcoins.
1603 2013-05-16 15:25:19 <[Tycho]> (for those who use the system)
1604 2013-05-16 15:26:05 <Cusipzzz> i've been trying to trade btc to WMZ for years, the btc-e fees are outrageous
1605 2013-05-16 15:27:09 <jouke> When I set paytxfee to 0, the standard fee-calculation will be applied?
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1608 2013-05-16 15:29:21 <BlueMatt> jouke: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transaction_fees
1609 2013-05-16 15:29:37 <BlueMatt> its a bit out of date in values, but process should be right
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1613 2013-05-16 15:35:04 <michagogo> Is there currently a way to sweep a privkey with bitcoin[-qt|d]?
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1633 2013-05-16 15:58:42 <helo> you mean "automatically send all funds received to some other privkey"?
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1637 2013-05-16 16:01:46 <michagogo> helo: yeah
1638 2013-05-16 16:01:53 <michagogo> Or even just a 1-time thing
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1640 2013-05-16 16:03:17 <helo> -walletnotify='checksweep.sh %s'
1641 2013-05-16 16:03:35 <michagogo> Hmm?
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1644 2013-05-16 16:07:17 <helo> checksweep.sh could parse './bitcoind gettransaction $1' to see if the tx paid to the address to be swept
1645 2013-05-16 16:07:36 <helo> the problem is that you'd need the privkey of the swept address to be unencrypted
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1647 2013-05-16 16:09:25 <gonffen> helo: once s/he knows the transaction should be swept, how would you do it?
1648 2013-05-16 16:09:33 <gonffen> sendfrom?
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1652 2013-05-16 16:12:54 <helo> the easiest may be to have an unencrypted wallet bitcoind with all of your "swept" keys imported, and nothing else
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1654 2013-05-16 16:13:41 <helo> then you could just do a sendtoaddress to a safe address of everything received
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1656 2013-05-16 16:15:20 <helo> if you wanted to only have one bitcoind running with the encrypted safe privkeys, checksweep.sh would have to createrawtransaction
1657 2013-05-16 16:16:47 <helo> not sure how to sign inputs though...
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1661 2013-05-16 16:18:10 * jgarzik wakes up
1662 2013-05-16 16:18:19 * jgarzik wonders if any MORE drama has appeared, since last night
1663 2013-05-16 16:19:25 <Cusipzzz> was there a fork? my .7 node died, trying to restart. nothing really in the log
1664 2013-05-16 16:19:39 <jgarzik> luke-jr has been working on making huge blocks full of spam
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1666 2013-05-16 16:20:03 <helo> to force a fork?
1667 2013-05-16 16:20:46 * helo hopes it wasn't a request from gabriel
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1674 2013-05-16 16:26:55 <jouke> Cusipzzz: my .7 node still seems to be running.
1675 2013-05-16 16:27:40 <michagogo> jgarzik: "huge blocks"? Why?
1676 2013-05-16 16:27:59 <michagogo> The only reason I could think of would be to break 0.7 clients, and you'd only need 1 huge block for that
1677 2013-05-16 16:28:20 <Cusipzzz> jouke: thanks, likely a server issue, it has restarted
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1679 2013-05-16 16:30:07 <helo> 09:10 < Luke-Jr> tonikt: spam filtering is pretty much disabled for now, trying to trigger the fork
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1753 2013-05-16 17:43:15 <BitKoot> Is the admin of the Bitcoin wiki online by any chance?
1754 2013-05-16 17:43:29 <BitKoot> I think it's MagicalTux?
1755 2013-05-16 17:43:43 <jgarzik> michagogo, to force the fork one way or the other
1756 2013-05-16 17:43:49 <TD> i think he's busy at the moment :)
1757 2013-05-16 17:43:57 <jgarzik> BitKoot, have you paid the anti-spam minimal fee?
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1759 2013-05-16 17:44:08 <michagogo> jgarzik: But don't you just need one single too-big block?
1760 2013-05-16 17:44:16 <michagogo> Then as long as you keep mining on that block...
1761 2013-05-16 17:44:21 <michagogo> (you == everyone)
1762 2013-05-16 17:44:30 <BitKoot> yes, I did. I wanted to fix an error on the bitcoin-map page. But the error is on the server-side, so I need his help :)
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1764 2013-05-16 17:45:01 <jgarzik> michagogo, correct. a single block... which sufficient TxIn's to trigger the problem
1765 2013-05-16 17:45:10 <michagogo> Yeah
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1768 2013-05-16 17:45:28 <BitKoot> @jgarzik, I'll check back in later :)
1769 2013-05-16 17:45:28 <bitnumus> how do you get a transactions ID in hex from bitcoin-qt ?
1770 2013-05-16 17:45:35 <bitnumus> needs to be quick!
1771 2013-05-16 17:45:42 <TheLordOfTime> BitKoot: right click the transaction, hit "info" or whatever it is
1772 2013-05-16 17:45:43 <michagogo> So there's no need to work on huge block*s*
1773 2013-05-16 17:45:46 <michagogo> Just one huge block
1774 2013-05-16 17:45:48 <TheLordOfTime> and the hex is in the window that pops up
1775 2013-05-16 17:46:03 <TheLordOfTime> under "transaction id" i think it is
1776 2013-05-16 17:46:09 <bitnumus> there is no hex there
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1779 2013-05-16 17:47:15 <bitnumus> guys can someone reply quick
1780 2013-05-16 17:47:21 <bitnumus> i have a bitpay transaction
1781 2013-05-16 17:47:25 <bitnumus> i need the HEX for the TXID
1782 2013-05-16 17:47:26 <bitnumus> asap
1783 2013-05-16 17:47:35 <TheLordOfTime> bitnumus: why not check the blockchain from your address?
1784 2013-05-16 17:47:49 <TheLordOfTime> i.e. search for the last transaction from your bitcoin address
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1787 2013-05-16 17:48:19 <bitnumus> becaue it hasn't been broadcast
1788 2013-05-16 17:48:22 <bitnumus> i dont think you understand
1789 2013-05-16 17:48:28 <TheLordOfTime> no i think i understand
1790 2013-05-16 17:48:34 <TheLordOfTime> but i also think either your client's broken
1791 2013-05-16 17:48:37 <bitnumus> you dont
1792 2013-05-16 17:48:42 <TheLordOfTime> bitnumus: you made a transaction.
1793 2013-05-16 17:48:43 <bitnumus> i am after the RAW transaction ID
1794 2013-05-16 17:48:49 <TheLordOfTime> it hasn't been picked up by the blockchain
1795 2013-05-16 17:49:01 <TheLordOfTime> you want the HEX ID for the transaction so you can look for it or send that data to bitpay
1796 2013-05-16 17:49:03 <TheLordOfTime> am i right so far?
1797 2013-05-16 17:49:16 <bitnumus> no
1798 2013-05-16 17:49:30 <bitnumus> i would push it with blockchain.info/pushtx
1799 2013-05-16 17:49:37 <bitnumus> i've found it using 'getrawtransaction'
1800 2013-05-16 17:49:40 <TheLordOfTime> oh so you want the entire hexstring for the transaction
1801 2013-05-16 17:49:43 <TheLordOfTime> the raw transaction hex
1802 2013-05-16 17:49:45 <TheLordOfTime> not just the ID Ihex
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1804 2013-05-16 17:49:48 <TheLordOfTime> s/Ihex/hex/
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1813 2013-05-16 17:55:08 <GenTarkin> hey guys, got a question
1814 2013-05-16 17:55:34 <GenTarkin> what, if any, is the limit to amount / size of transactions that are pending on the network....
1815 2013-05-16 17:55:46 <GenTarkin> is that defined in code or just kinda ... keeps pilling up till things break
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1817 2013-05-16 17:58:13 <dansmith_btc> Hello, I'm trying to use python-bitcoinrpc and I want to send 2 outputs of a transaction to the same address. It is impossible, because createrawtransaction's output parameter is a dictionary and python doesn't allow 2 equal keys in the dictionary.
1818 2013-05-16 17:58:17 <dansmith_btc> see here http://laanwj.github.io/bitcoin-python/doc/bitcoinrpc.connection.html#bitcoinrpc.connection.BitcoinConnection.createrawtransaction
1819 2013-05-16 17:58:26 <Luke-Jr> michagogo: haven't succeeded yet tho
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1821 2013-05-16 17:59:22 <Luke-Jr> dansmith_btc: addresses should only be used once *ever*⦠so notabug
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1824 2013-05-16 18:00:43 <gmaxwell> dansmith_btc: known, unsupported. No current plans to support it.
1825 2013-05-16 18:05:21 <michagogo> Luke-Jr: Haven't built a large enough block, or just haven't managed to solve it yet?
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1833 2013-05-16 18:09:28 <diki> woah
1834 2013-05-16 18:09:35 <diki> so many transactions waiting to get in a block
1835 2013-05-16 18:09:39 <diki> over 10k
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1838 2013-05-16 18:11:33 <michagogo> I wonder how long it'll take this to return... http://i.imgur.com/XzG7hk9.png
1839 2013-05-16 18:11:49 <michagogo> (if it ever does)
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1841 2013-05-16 18:12:17 <beethoven8201> what are all the 0.0000025 transactions?
1842 2013-05-16 18:12:41 <Prattler> oh hey
1843 2013-05-16 18:12:46 <Prattler> someone's spamming the network
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1845 2013-05-16 18:13:13 <yubrew> what is there to gain from spamming the network?
1846 2013-05-16 18:13:33 <Prattler> yubrew, you bloat the blockchain. Decent gain if you want to harm bitcoin
1847 2013-05-16 18:14:08 <yubrew> so then the blockchain takes longer to mine? or what?
1848 2013-05-16 18:14:19 <yubrew> what is the consequence of blockchain bloat
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1851 2013-05-16 18:15:48 <Prattler> oh, those are dust output 0 fee transactions
1852 2013-05-16 18:15:51 <Prattler> they shouldn't be relayed
1853 2013-05-16 18:15:59 <Prattler> showing up on blockchain.info
1854 2013-05-16 18:16:08 <Prattler> so perhaps they're only trying to DDOS blockchaininfo
1855 2013-05-16 18:16:59 <jouke> My assumption is that bc.info isn't broadcasting its transactions.
1856 2013-05-16 18:17:08 <jouke> My mempool only has 3k transactions
1857 2013-05-16 18:17:18 <GenTarkin> wow just as I start talkin about pending tx limit
1858 2013-05-16 18:17:25 <tholenst> blockchain.info looks funny with those :)
1859 2013-05-16 18:17:27 <GenTarkin> is there any way tos ee if those are broadcast to my bitcoin-qt
1860 2013-05-16 18:17:43 <ne0futur> any miner here ? if yes please mine :
1861 2013-05-16 18:17:43 <ne0futur> (19:25) <@MagicalTu> https://blockchain.info/tx/db9ae424828977f5aadf15d3964457135db073b919e76994a1ba51963ac8e2dc?show_adv=true <- one tx invalidating all the 0.0000025
1862 2013-05-16 18:17:46 <ne0futur> (19:25) <@MagicalTu> if that new tx ends on the blockchain, our system will give up the txs now in double spend
1863 2013-05-16 18:17:49 <ne0futur> ( sorry for the offtopic )
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1868 2013-05-16 18:20:04 <michagogo> Ah
1869 2013-05-16 18:20:05 <michagogo> Transaction too large (code -4)
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1871 2013-05-16 18:20:16 <GenTarkin> how do u look it up?
1872 2013-05-16 18:20:22 <skinnkavaj> https://blockchain.info/
1873 2013-05-16 18:20:22 <skinnkavaj> WTF
1874 2013-05-16 18:20:33 <skinnkavaj> I see Windows XP Professional loading
1875 2013-05-16 18:20:38 <jouke> lol
1876 2013-05-16 18:20:39 <jouke> wtf
1877 2013-05-16 18:21:36 <jouke> ne0futur: is that transaction holding up mtgox transactions as well?
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1880 2013-05-16 18:23:48 <kuzetsa> eh
1881 2013-05-16 18:24:00 <kuzetsa> block 236484 on blockexplorer matches my client, and coinlab is still up
1882 2013-05-16 18:24:09 <kuzetsa> blockchain.info DOES host web-wallets for people though
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1884 2013-05-16 18:24:37 <kuzetsa> other than the subset of bitcoin users with a web-wallet, it's hardly mission critical for bitcoin to continue functioning normally
1885 2013-05-16 18:25:16 <jouke> Good incentive for people to start taking their bitcoins in to their own control
1886 2013-05-16 18:25:24 <kuzetsa> jouke: what transaction are you referring to? is there something weird going around the bitcoin p2p network not yet in a block or something?
1887 2013-05-16 18:25:40 <kuzetsa> (re: mtgox holdup)
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1892 2013-05-16 18:26:31 <jouke> I heard through the grapevine that something is not working correctly @ mtgox bitcoin withdrawal
1893 2013-05-16 18:26:34 <kuzetsa> ... do you mean the doublespend thingy ne0futur was talking about?
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1895 2013-05-16 18:27:19 <jouke> I was wondering if that transaction is involved with the problems @ mtgox
1896 2013-05-16 18:27:32 <jouke> Our irc bot an hour ago: 18:54 < Arbitron> Tried to rebroadcast 27176 transactions. success: 454, rejected: 24411, already in blockchain: 2311, failed to decode tx: 0, other failures: 0
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1898 2013-05-16 18:29:19 <kuzetsa> =o.O=
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1900 2013-05-16 18:29:37 <kuzetsa> yeah uh... that looks a bit spam / DoS-like to me
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1902 2013-05-16 18:29:51 <kuzetsa> 24411 rejected transactions seems... not good
1903 2013-05-16 18:30:02 <jouke> it tried to rebroadcast the failed mtgox transactions
1904 2013-05-16 18:30:27 <kuzetsa> oh
1905 2013-05-16 18:31:01 <kuzetsa> I'd rather not discuss anything related to how mtgox runs their [custom] bitcoin node(s)
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1909 2013-05-16 18:31:22 <kuzetsa> thanks for the clarification though
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1911 2013-05-16 18:32:42 <jouke> Yeah, I know, but I wonder if it is related that both mtgox and bc.info are haveing some trouble with transactions.
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1913 2013-05-16 18:34:07 <ne0futur> jouke: one tx invalidating all the 0.0000025 spam and double spend attempts
1914 2013-05-16 18:34:31 <ne0futur> https://blockchain.info/unconfirmed-transactions
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1916 2013-05-16 18:35:22 <beethoven8201> one of my tx is being listed as a double spend
1917 2013-05-16 18:35:25 <beethoven8201> is that normal?
1918 2013-05-16 18:35:29 <beethoven8201> on blockchain
1919 2013-05-16 18:35:33 <beethoven8201> (even though it is not)
1920 2013-05-16 18:35:45 <TheLordOfTime> https://blockchain.info/tx/5b88fe96cd77a9d87f3449b5503d0c10d4250fe5c39020022d1f07399f57ac72 is listed as a doublespend but it's not...
1921 2013-05-16 18:35:50 <TheLordOfTime> problem with the universe, perhaps?
1922 2013-05-16 18:36:06 <TheLordOfTime> or is this a known issue?
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1924 2013-05-16 18:36:18 <MagicalTux> TheLordOfTime: problem with blockchain.info likely
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1926 2013-05-16 18:36:30 <ne0futur> beethoven8201: you redeemed a private key somewhere ?
1927 2013-05-16 18:36:34 <MagicalTux> double spend with a generation tx looks unlikely
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1929 2013-05-16 18:36:41 <beethoven8201> ne0futur: yes
1930 2013-05-16 18:36:54 <beethoven8201> ne0futur: I created the private key
1931 2013-05-16 18:36:56 <TheLordOfTime> MagicalTux: so, then, it should get confirmed eventually?
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1933 2013-05-16 18:37:22 <MagicalTux> TheLordOfTime: can't guarantee that, you should use a separate source to check for double spend
1934 2013-05-16 18:37:28 <TheLordOfTime> MagicalTux: such as?
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1936 2013-05-16 18:38:14 <MagicalTux> TheLordOfTime: I don't know all the services available out there but surely there is something
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1944 2013-05-16 18:40:52 <TheLordOfTime> MagicalTux: looks like it was blockchain being stupid
1945 2013-05-16 18:41:00 <TheLordOfTime> got at least 1 confirm now.
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1954 2013-05-16 18:43:55 <ne0futur> someone is trying to use many user redeemed keys to double spend
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1956 2013-05-16 18:45:41 <ne0futur> beethoven8201: are you a 00000025 spammer ? are you sure your private key is not compromised ? did you give it to anyone else ? a website ?
1957 2013-05-16 18:46:01 <jgarzik> About to head to Atlanta, then San Jose conference. Looking forward to seeing many of you there!
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1959 2013-05-16 18:46:17 <Cusipzzz> jgm: safe travels
1960 2013-05-16 18:46:29 <beethoven8201> ne0futur: blockchain can't even find the tx now
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1962 2013-05-16 18:46:42 <beethoven8201> ne0futur: the amount was 0.01 or something, much higher than the spam
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1966 2013-05-16 18:46:54 <beethoven8201> and I created the key right before spending it
1967 2013-05-16 18:47:00 <[Tycho]> Was that key really private ? :)
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1970 2013-05-16 18:49:43 <ne0futur> beethoven8201: did you pay someone to generate a vanity address ?
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1973 2013-05-16 18:50:15 <beethoven8201> ne0futur:
1974 2013-05-16 18:50:16 <beethoven8201> no
1975 2013-05-16 18:50:51 <beethoven8201> for example
1976 2013-05-16 18:50:54 <beethoven8201> https://blockchain.info/address/1CfdzCTF3a9XRqXV4XVeLYeJMZh2FhdUFq
1977 2013-05-16 18:50:55 <ne0futur> 20:12 < TheLordOfTime> https://blockchain.info/tx/5b88fe96cd77a9d87f3449b5503d0c10d4250fe5c39020022d1f07399f57a
1978 2013-05-16 18:50:58 <ne0futur> c72 is listed as a doublespend but it's not...
1979 2013-05-16 18:51:00 <beethoven8201> this is one of my addresses
1980 2013-05-16 18:51:04 <ne0futur> can someone confirm it is a double spend or not
1981 2013-05-16 18:51:06 <TheLordOfTime> ne0futur: glitch i think
1982 2013-05-16 18:51:12 <TheLordOfTime> i've got 4 confirms on the transaction so far
1983 2013-05-16 18:51:15 <ne0futur> blockchain.info sems to be wrong on many txs
1984 2013-05-16 18:51:19 <beethoven8201> but the amounts and dates are so off
1985 2013-05-16 18:51:29 <ne0futur> ok blockchain.info broken
1986 2013-05-16 18:51:36 <ne0futur> 20:02 <@MagicalTux> my guess is I killed blockchain.info a little
1987 2013-05-16 18:51:42 <TheLordOfTime> lol MagicalTux
1988 2013-05-16 18:51:44 <ne0futur> rebroadcasting thousands of txs
1989 2013-05-16 18:51:46 <TheLordOfTime> you broke it with fire!
1990 2013-05-16 18:52:06 <GenTarkin> lol it was u that did that ne0?
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1992 2013-05-16 18:53:31 <ne0futur> anyone else have problems with http://blockchain.info/unconfirmed-transactions
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1994 2013-05-16 18:53:38 <ne0futur> its killing my computer
1995 2013-05-16 18:53:46 <ne0futur> the thinkpad starts beeeping like mad
1996 2013-05-16 18:53:51 <ne0futur> the scariest beep i ever heard from my old thinkpad
1997 2013-05-16 18:53:58 <beethoven8201> who can we complain to w/ blockchain broken?
1998 2013-05-16 18:54:07 <jedunnigan> i have issues with the link as well
1999 2013-05-16 18:54:45 <jedunnigan> im going to see what scripts are loading on the page
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2002 2013-05-16 18:55:51 <jedunnigan> hmm... they dont seem to be the source of the problem. something server side
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2007 2013-05-16 18:57:26 <ne0futur> jedunnigan: most probably the google map with 9000 bookmarks ;)
2008 2013-05-16 18:57:49 <jedunnigan> lol true story
2009 2013-05-16 18:57:54 <ne0futur> jedunnigan: or http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/05/attack-hitting-apache-sites-goes-mainstream-hacks-nginx-lighttpd-too/ ?
2010 2013-05-16 18:58:06 * ne0futur always paranoid
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2012 2013-05-16 18:59:11 <jedunnigan> ne0futur: if its the latter issue poople should be very wary. run noscript etc.. they could load malicious code onto the page
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2014 2013-05-16 19:01:49 <ali1234> so that bitcoin dust spam attack today?
2015 2013-05-16 19:02:01 <ali1234> it was sent from mtgox accounts
2016 2013-05-16 19:02:07 <ali1234> http://goxed.bit/
2017 2013-05-16 19:02:35 <ali1234> i've just updated that site to 0.8.2rc so it should now stop forwarding the spam :)
2018 2013-05-16 19:03:20 <ali1234> if it was even forwarding them in the first place... i don't think it was actually
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2020 2013-05-16 19:05:15 <lianj> so how does 1dice actually check if the bet was placed from US? isn't it more a weird pr joke?
2021 2013-05-16 19:05:32 <ali1234> it can't
2022 2013-05-16 19:05:48 <SwedFTP> I'm watching the twit show with gavin, I really like the idea of 2-factor bitcoins, but more technically does Gavin describe technically how this would work?
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2024 2013-05-16 19:06:33 <lianj> SwedFTP: multisig probably
2025 2013-05-16 19:07:09 <SwedFTP> I apologize for that mess above, I've just woken up.
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2027 2013-05-16 19:11:39 <ali1234> okhmm i just restarted my bitcoind and it immediately retransmitted 20k of these dust tx. shouldn't the recent patch prevent that?
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2029 2013-05-16 19:12:26 <gmaxwell> retransmitted? uh.... so you're the origin of these floods?
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2031 2013-05-16 19:12:36 <ali1234> gmaxwell: no, mtgox is
2032 2013-05-16 19:12:45 <ali1234> gmaxwell: however, i;m probably not helping
2033 2013-05-16 19:13:01 <ali1234> gmaxwell: but i thought the recent patch would block these tiny tx anyway?
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2035 2013-05-16 19:13:26 <gmaxwell> ali1234: it does, but what you just said indicated that these transactions are in your wallet.
2036 2013-05-16 19:13:34 <gmaxwell> ali1234: please stop fucking with the network
2037 2013-05-16 19:13:44 <ali1234> gmaxwell: they are not in my wallet
2038 2013-05-16 19:13:57 <ali1234> gmaxwell: mtgox has an api which lists transactions it has sent which are not confirmed
2039 2013-05-16 19:14:08 <gmaxwell> Then your node, not in _any version_ would never have retransmitted them.
2040 2013-05-16 19:14:34 <ali1234> gmaxwell: it would if i told it to
2041 2013-05-16 19:17:03 <ali1234> anyway, i will turn off the rebroadcasting for now
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2046 2013-05-16 19:20:29 <gmaxwell> ali1234: I don't know why you think that 0.8.2 would impact whatever crazy rebroadcasting modifications you've made to bitcoin.
2047 2013-05-16 19:21:23 <ali1234> gmaxwell: i have not made any modification to bitcoin
2048 2013-05-16 19:21:59 <ali1234> gmaxwell if you would like to listen for a second without flying off the handle i will tell you exactly what i have done
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2050 2013-05-16 19:22:45 <ali1234> gmaxwell: https://data.mtgox.com/api/0/bitcoin_tx.php
2051 2013-05-16 19:23:25 <ali1234> gmaxwell: every 15 minutes i pull that api and "sendrawtransaction" anything which is not currently in the mempool
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2057 2013-05-16 19:27:59 <helo> sendrawtransaction only sends anything if it would have sent it were it received from a peer iirc
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2061 2013-05-16 19:28:50 <ali1234> helo: yes, i agree
2062 2013-05-16 19:29:20 <ali1234> and 0.8.2rc1 accepts these dust tx on sendrawtransactions
2063 2013-05-16 19:30:00 <Cusipzzz> not many people play with rawtransactions
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2066 2013-05-16 19:31:14 <ali1234> so yet again i ask why 0.8.2rc1 accepts dust spam tx on sendrawtransactions?
2067 2013-05-16 19:31:38 <helo> it should not
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2069 2013-05-16 19:31:53 <ali1234> then i have found a bug
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2071 2013-05-16 19:32:55 <lianj> helo: why not? its prolly fine for send raw
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2073 2013-05-16 19:34:43 <dugo> think you should put your rebroadcaster behind a 0.8.2rc1 bitcoind then (or just stop doing it)
2074 2013-05-16 19:34:57 <ali1234> dugo: it is behind a 0.8.2rc1 bitcoind
2075 2013-05-16 19:35:02 <ali1234> dugo: that is te point
2076 2013-05-16 19:35:21 <ali1234> dugo: i've disabled it completely now. it will only passively monitor the api and not rebroadcast anything
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2079 2013-05-16 19:37:42 <dugo> inject your raw stuff in a bitcoind that runs irc=0, dnsseed=0, upnp=0, listen=0, connect=127.0.0.1:port_of_filtering_bitcoind
2080 2013-05-16 19:38:09 <ali1234> what for?
2081 2013-05-16 19:38:40 <ali1234> i can use decoderawtransaction for any passive information i need
2082 2013-05-16 19:38:47 <ali1234> i assume that doesn't send anything
2083 2013-05-16 19:39:03 <dugo> i assume a 0.8.2rc1 running at 127.0.0.1:port_of_filtering_bitcoind will stop them
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2085 2013-05-16 19:40:13 <ali1234> i have no idea if my node is even forwarding them or if they just stay in mempool forever
2086 2013-05-16 19:40:18 <ali1234> s/is/was/
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2088 2013-05-16 19:43:07 <gmaxwell> ali1234: can you show me one of the specific transactions in question?
2089 2013-05-16 19:43:32 <ali1234> 0100000001b859a45d2a7cfa8945ebd55d50bfb4b305c360d913f252a29133a3a6252b0c0cc20000008b483045022100f70c44b33b5a8f61ec2e51c4ff0b4655bd51bcdcfc492d9949efa8146023db8f0220611c1c8c16c8e79e41a9f8b16322fdefe3a7396cfa6b98970c430a20a798971901410478d430274f8c5ec1321338151e9f27f4c676a008bdf8638d07c0b6be9ab35c71a1518063243acd4dfe96b66e3f2ec8013c8e072cd09b3834a19f81f659cc3455ffffffff01fa000000000000001976a914d5c49d844ba7d58f05956aa0924a3f3dc51d2ecf88ac00000000
2090 2013-05-16 19:43:50 <ali1234> 0.8.2rc1 accepted this transaction with "sendrawtransaction"
2091 2013-05-16 19:44:14 <ali1234> by "accepted" i mean it returned a txid rather than an error message
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2093 2013-05-16 19:44:54 <gmaxwell> error: {"code":-22,"message":"TX rejected"}
2094 2013-05-16 19:45:17 <gmaxwell> "version" : 80200,
2095 2013-05-16 19:45:41 <ali1234> gmaxwell: it is rejected because it is already in your mempool probably
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2097 2013-05-16 19:47:04 <gmaxwell> ali1234: it is not.
2098 2013-05-16 19:47:10 <ali1234> hmm hang on then
2099 2013-05-16 19:47:20 <gmaxwell> ./bitcoind getrawmempool | grep fffe89a4fdedfac47614def7daaf4e55c9de60f259b087db07302c25a6f8cce6
2100 2013-05-16 19:47:26 <gmaxwell> nothing
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2103 2013-05-16 19:48:26 <lianj> also it has zero fees
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2111 2013-05-16 19:51:29 <gmaxwell> yea, wouldn't have been standard under the old rules either.
2112 2013-05-16 19:51:46 <ali1234> then there is a bug
2113 2013-05-16 19:52:59 <goodbtc> apparently, there is no possibility to delete an address from bitcoin-qt. However, if an address in your wallet is spammed with dust transactions, you cannot use the program anymore, way too much lag and CPU usage
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2122 2013-05-16 19:54:33 <jouke> ali1234: lol @ vin tx :o
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2124 2013-05-16 19:55:43 <phantomcircuit> <MC1984> did anyone catch amir taaki semingly claiming to know who satoshi is
2125 2013-05-16 19:55:44 <phantomcircuit> wat
2126 2013-05-16 19:55:57 <ali1234> i see what has happened here
2127 2013-05-16 19:55:59 <Cusipzzz> lol wat
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2129 2013-05-16 19:56:27 <goodbtc> I tested the default private key on bitcoin-qt from http://brainwallet.org/ and was a good idea not to test it on my main wallet :)
2130 2013-05-16 19:56:32 <Cusipzzz> i know who satoshi is, unfortunately there's not room in this margin for me to write it out
2131 2013-05-16 19:57:11 <jgm> Cusipzzz: Hate it when that happens. The number of nobels I have missed out on because of those narrow margins
2132 2013-05-16 19:57:19 <goodbtc> i removed it by deleteting the wallet.dat, but how do I delete an address from a wallet?
2133 2013-05-16 19:58:01 <phantomcircuit> satoshi is a purple cookie monster
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2135 2013-05-16 19:59:00 <goodbtc> cousin of the FSM?
2136 2013-05-16 20:01:15 <Cusipzzz> goodbtc: pywallet maybe
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2138 2013-05-16 20:01:39 <goodbtc> i don;t understand "how to" pywallet
2139 2013-05-16 20:02:28 <Cusipzzz> pywallet is a wallet manipulation tool. back in the day used to import priv keys from vanitygen before that was a standard feature
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2141 2013-05-16 20:03:22 <goodbtc> i understand that from the wiki article https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Pywallet
2142 2013-05-16 20:03:27 <jouke> ali1234: do you know if mtgox also builds other transactions on that transaction?
2143 2013-05-16 20:03:32 <goodbtc> but any link that I could actually use?
2144 2013-05-16 20:03:56 <ali1234> jouke: they never go into the blockchain so how could it?
2145 2013-05-16 20:04:26 <goodbtc> nvm, I think I found it on dramatalk.org
2146 2013-05-16 20:04:36 <jouke> ali1234: you can make transactions that aren'n in the blockchain yet.
2147 2013-05-16 20:04:42 <ali1234> i suppose
2148 2013-05-16 20:05:15 <jouke> The normal client only does that with an address that is yours.
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2150 2013-05-16 20:06:11 <ali1234> my bitcoind just accepted this 01000000015bf067b63f50e8dfd909b963e5b103f7a293052be94ab547f65625b37930fd98300800008b483045022100e430f9c8a5562703651a3e304269847de691674b448f548549bbbdc5d1e20a9b022060a2415a3679a031019e1ca0d63a7131dfd07c9100fab4ac57a1b6a26ce9a41f01410478d430274f8c5ec1321338151e9f27f4c676a008bdf8638d07c0b6be9ab35c71a1518063243acd4dfe96b66e3f2ec8013c8e072cd09b3834a19f81f659cc3455ffffffff01fa000000000000001976a9140abafd615323bc30bdbf7bb5c73
2151 2013-05-16 20:06:13 <jouke> IE: if it owns the private key, so when someone uploaded the private key to gox, it may have buildt on that transaction as it may have considerd it to be safe to use with 0 confirmations.
2152 2013-05-16 20:06:35 <gmaxwell> jouke: that isn't how mtgox private key imports work.
2153 2013-05-16 20:07:01 <gmaxwell> ali1234: thats not a valid transaction, did you get truncated?
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2155 2013-05-16 20:07:10 <lianj> gmaxwell: yes trucated
2156 2013-05-16 20:07:12 <jouke> gmaxwell: ok.
2157 2013-05-16 20:07:16 <ali1234> possibly, i ctrl-c'd it when it started accepting crap
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2159 2013-05-16 20:07:32 <gmaxwell> ali1234: what version does getinfo say you're running?
2160 2013-05-16 20:07:59 <ali1234> 80100... shit, how did that happen?
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2165 2013-05-16 20:09:06 <notplato> My goal: compile for Windows 7. I'm running VirtualBox with an Ubuntu guest OS. I am following the instructions for the gitian-builder at https://github.com/devrandom/gitian-builder. I got to the step ssh -p 2223 ubuntu@localhost, but it gives me "ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host". I have a rule in VBoxManager for the guest OS: TCP, Host Port 2223, Guest
2166 2013-05-16 20:09:06 <notplato> port 22. Any ideas?
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2169 2013-05-16 20:10:14 <notplato> I did the previous step through a shared folder instead of ssh because ssh doesn't work.
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2172 2013-05-16 20:11:47 <mollison> notplato: this is just a generic ssh tip, but make sure you can ssh _from_ the box you're trying to ssh _to_. if there is a problem with your ssh install on that box, it will give you a more useful error rather than just "connection closed"
2173 2013-05-16 20:12:35 <notplato> Good idea.
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2175 2013-05-16 20:12:55 <notplato> I will come back when I have bitcoin issues :-)
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2181 2013-05-16 20:25:48 <goodbtc> I managed to delete an address from the wallet with pywallet. Scary: it did not ask for any password - wasn't the wallet supposed to be encrypted?
2182 2013-05-16 20:26:12 <ali1234> ok, i am patched properly this time. no more spam from me
2183 2013-05-16 20:26:22 <rdponticelli> goodbtc: The private key is encrypted
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2189 2013-05-16 20:29:48 <ThomasV> etotheipi_: ping
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2192 2013-05-16 20:33:43 <helo> From etotheipi_ icmp_seq=1 Destination Dev Unreachable
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2194 2013-05-16 20:35:32 <davout> would you donate if vim displayed a bitcoin address on its splash screen ? (got a reply from bram molenaar after emailing him about it)
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2196 2013-05-16 20:38:26 <nsh> there cannot possibly be anything left to add to the vim codebase
2197 2013-05-16 20:39:08 <helo> a way to reward the guy responsible for it :)
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2204 2013-05-16 20:43:39 <etotheipi_> my brain perpetually exists across like 12 different VIM sessions at once
2205 2013-05-16 20:43:44 <etotheipi_> I would donate a ton to that guy
2206 2013-05-16 20:44:00 <etotheipi_> ThomasV: what's up?
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2208 2013-05-16 20:45:29 <ThomasV> oh, I was wondering if I should use write batches. that would be one batch for the block addresses, and then another batch for the hashes. two batches are needed because of the way we request the children of a node, I think
2209 2013-05-16 20:45:54 * BlueMatt has met the guy
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2211 2013-05-16 20:46:36 <etotheipi_> ThomasV: in general batches are good, but I can't comment on the specifics you're talking about
2212 2013-05-16 20:46:56 <BlueMatt> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bram_Moolenaar
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2214 2013-05-16 20:47:15 <ThomasV> etotheipi_: yes, you were considering adding one address at a time
2215 2013-05-16 20:47:54 <ThomasV> or rather, one tx at a time
2216 2013-05-16 20:48:35 * sipa live from USA
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2218 2013-05-16 20:49:56 * JWU42 applauds
2219 2013-05-16 20:50:09 <gmaxwell> sipa: welcome!
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2223 2013-05-16 20:51:17 <etotheipi_> hey semi-emergency... TP testnet faucet is down... can someone send me some testnet coins? msmTqQm9RhKSXLSUgDhCcuw9is3BNXGDBG
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2225 2013-05-16 20:52:35 <sipa> any fork yet?
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2230 2013-05-16 20:57:20 <rdponticelli> I think I saw some spoons :p
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2233 2013-05-16 20:59:12 <ThomasV> there is no spoon
2234 2013-05-16 20:59:53 <sipa> so we'll have to spawn one
2235 2013-05-16 21:00:28 <etotheipi_> thanks to whoever sent me testnet coins!
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2237 2013-05-16 21:01:10 <davout> ok, i'll open a thread, so maybe you guys can line up a couple donation promises so we can have some sexy amount promised, i'll personnally chip in for 5 BTC
2238 2013-05-16 21:01:32 <etotheipi_> davout: I'm in for 3 BTC
2239 2013-05-16 21:01:39 <sipa> davout: for?
2240 2013-05-16 21:02:03 <davout> getting bram molenaar to accept BTC for donations and put an address on vim's splash screen
2241 2013-05-16 21:04:12 <etotheipi_> I always said if I got rich, I would donate to these obscure developers of tools that I use (granted, I'm not rich yet, but the VIM guy totally deserves my money)
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2243 2013-05-16 21:05:10 <sipa> my vim knowledge is limited to knowig that :q! exits
2244 2013-05-16 21:05:28 <davout> sipa: i fell in love with it a few months ago
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2247 2013-05-16 21:05:37 <davout> that's the only editor i use now :-)
2248 2013-05-16 21:05:37 <etotheipi_> everyone at work thinks I'm crazy, because I forego all the nice IDEs that everyone else uses
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2252 2013-05-16 21:05:46 <etotheipi_> I have about 12 VIM windows open at a time
2253 2013-05-16 21:05:55 <etotheipi_> and it's like converting brainwaves directly into code modifications
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2255 2013-05-16 21:06:04 <davout> exactly
2256 2013-05-16 21:06:23 <etotheipi_> davout: have you messed with macros at all?
2257 2013-05-16 21:06:42 <sipa> it's weird to see your irc client say "22:43" when it's broad daylight outside...
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2260 2013-05-16 21:06:55 <davout> not really, i have some ruby-oriented customizations but i'm sure i have tons more to learn
2261 2013-05-16 21:07:06 <Cusipzzz> sipa: they let you in? O.o :)
2262 2013-05-16 21:07:17 <sipa> Cusipzzz: so far so good...
2263 2013-05-16 21:07:18 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: were you around last time I asked if anyone had a testnet seednode running?
2264 2013-05-16 21:07:20 <etotheipi_> davout: if you hit 'q' then another letter (i just use 'qq'), it will record all your keystrokes
2265 2013-05-16 21:07:29 <etotheipi_> then you hit q again to end recording
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2268 2013-05-16 21:07:51 <tholenst> I use C-x ( for that
2269 2013-05-16 21:07:54 <etotheipi_> davout: then you type "@Q" to repeat it
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2272 2013-05-16 21:08:48 <davout> etotheipi_: nice, i always trigger the recording mode by accident and always wondered how it worked, thanks!
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2274 2013-05-16 21:08:52 <etotheipi_> davout: usually I start on the line above, hit 'qq', then go down one line (so that the macro will always advance one line first), then do all the modifications to that line, then hit 'q'
2275 2013-05-16 21:08:57 <davout> what do you use macros for ?
2276 2013-05-16 21:09:05 <etotheipi_> then type 100@Q to repeat it for the next 100 lines
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2278 2013-05-16 21:09:28 <davout> aah, yes that's right you can multiply macros
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2280 2013-05-16 21:09:55 <etotheipi_> or do it search based: start recording, then search for an instance of a string, and modify its location in some way
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2282 2013-05-16 21:10:15 <davout> sipa: vim is an editor that's extremely logical and powerful, i will suggest bram to read up on bitcoin, and i suggest you try out vim for a couple of days, none of you two will waste your time :-)
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2285 2013-05-16 21:10:25 <etotheipi_> then 1000@Q will repeat it... usually it even stops when it's cycled the whole file... even if there's less than 1000
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2287 2013-05-16 21:10:37 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: http://jenkins.bluematt.me/pull-tester/a824121eb8458350a2c4f7c64601a9d1b41425c9/test.log where does it get the list of patches to apply?
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2289 2013-05-16 21:10:55 <etotheipi_> though in that case, I'm sure anything you could do with recording macros could be done in regex-replace
2290 2013-05-16 21:11:03 <etotheipi_> but for me, it's easier than learning regex :)
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2293 2013-05-16 21:11:39 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: apparently its hard-coded (which is broken...)
2294 2013-05-16 21:11:39 <nsh> learning regular expressions not meant to be easy. it's good for you.
2295 2013-05-16 21:11:47 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: wanna fix it to use *.patch? https://github.com/TheBlueMatt/test-scripts
2296 2013-05-16 21:12:11 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: Ill do it (eventually) if you dont
2297 2013-05-16 21:12:47 <davout> i find vim's regexes to be a bit weird
2298 2013-05-16 21:12:56 <etotheipi_> nsh: sure... but the only place I need them is in vim... and I have macros for it!
2299 2013-05-16 21:12:59 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: hah, yea, thats broken. :P
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2306 2013-05-16 21:15:09 <nsh> etotheipi_, fair play :)
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2310 2013-05-16 21:16:02 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: you dont say...not sure what divine inspiration told me to do that...
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2314 2013-05-16 21:16:47 <gmaxwell> 'Touched by satoshi'
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2318 2013-05-16 21:17:43 <BlueMatt> heh
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2321 2013-05-16 21:18:43 <porquilho> ;;ticker --last
2322 2013-05-16 21:18:44 <gribble> 115.60000
2323 2013-05-16 21:18:47 <porquilho> mm ok
2324 2013-05-16 21:18:55 <porquilho> hmm*
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2329 2013-05-16 21:23:35 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: fixed, let it build again
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2336 2013-05-16 21:27:00 <davout> vim donations thread : http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=207559.new#new /cc etotheipi_ nsh
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2338 2013-05-16 21:31:07 <denisx> I get init.cpp:534: error: no matching function for call to 'min(int&, unsigned int)' with HEAD
2339 2013-05-16 21:31:09 <denisx> any hints?
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2341 2013-05-16 21:31:39 <BlueMatt> your compiler is broken
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2343 2013-05-16 21:32:10 <denisx> BlueMatt: thats true anyway! ;)
2344 2013-05-16 21:32:15 <denisx> it is gcc 4.2.x
2345 2013-05-16 21:32:23 <denisx> it is gcc 4.2.1
2346 2013-05-16 21:33:23 <nsh> BlueMatt, can you elaborate? is there a known issue with come gcc versions?
2347 2013-05-16 21:33:27 <nsh> *some
2348 2013-05-16 21:34:05 * Luke-Jr live from Chicago
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2350 2013-05-16 21:36:17 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: ping pong journey
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2352 2013-05-16 21:37:44 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: ?
2353 2013-05-16 21:39:05 <davout> does mike hearn hang around here ?
2354 2013-05-16 21:39:06 <gmaxwell> TPA <> MDW <> SJC is not a very straight line.
2355 2013-05-16 21:39:11 <gmaxwell> davout: yes, TD
2356 2013-05-16 21:39:14 <Cusipzzz> there was no direct flight from waco to san jose? :)
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2358 2013-05-16 21:39:20 <davout> gmaxwell: TD?
2359 2013-05-16 21:39:29 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: true
2360 2013-05-16 21:39:43 <Luke-Jr> davout: TD is Mike Hearn's IRC nick
2361 2013-05-16 21:39:55 <davout> Luke-Jr: oh okay, thank you!
2362 2013-05-16 21:40:12 <TD> hello
2363 2013-05-16 21:40:22 <davout> TD: hello!
2364 2013-05-16 21:40:46 <TD> you summoned me?
2365 2013-05-16 21:41:05 <davout> TD: I rubbed the lamp
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2368 2013-05-16 21:47:40 <ThaFunkee> could anyone explain me what extraNonce is and what does it have to do to merkle root
2369 2013-05-16 21:47:45 <ThaFunkee> during the mining process
2370 2013-05-16 21:48:03 <ThaFunkee> can't find a proper explanation on google
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2372 2013-05-16 21:48:53 <sipa> Luke-Jr: when do you arrive in SJC?
2373 2013-05-16 21:49:05 <Luke-Jr> sipa: 8:45 PM
2374 2013-05-16 21:49:12 <Luke-Jr> about
2375 2013-05-16 21:49:26 <sipa> me at 9:36 PM
2376 2013-05-16 21:49:39 <flound1129> is there a way to check from the command line whether a transaction requires a fee?
2377 2013-05-16 21:49:41 <Luke-Jr> hmm
2378 2013-05-16 21:49:48 <roconnor> when does gmaxwell arrive?
2379 2013-05-16 21:49:58 <gmaxwell> roconnor: last feburary.
2380 2013-05-16 21:50:02 <Luke-Jr> lol
2381 2013-05-16 21:50:07 <gmaxwell> I live here.
2382 2013-05-16 21:50:14 <sipa> What?
2383 2013-05-16 21:50:19 <sipa> No. You live _there_
2384 2013-05-16 21:50:19 <roconnor> oh that is easy
2385 2013-05-16 21:50:23 <gmaxwell> Peter Todd is in town now too.
2386 2013-05-16 21:50:40 <ThaFunkee> anyone? :(
2387 2013-05-16 21:50:48 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: want me to hang out at the airport for a bit so we can wait for sipa? :p
2388 2013-05-16 21:51:22 <gmaxwell> (or at least his bags are at my house, so I hope he hasn't gone too far.)
2389 2013-05-16 21:51:58 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: If Sipa thinks he'll be awake when he gets in I don't mind hanging out at the airport. Just as good as any other place!
2390 2013-05-16 21:52:03 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: how many people are staying at your house? :p
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2392 2013-05-16 21:52:31 * sipa counts
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2394 2013-05-16 21:52:36 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: I thought I knew, and now I don't!
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2397 2013-05-16 21:53:08 <Luke-Jr> >_<
2398 2013-05-16 21:53:09 <roconnor> it would be nice to meet up with some of you folks sometime this weekend. I'll presumably see sipa tomorrow.
2399 2013-05-16 21:53:24 <Luke-Jr> should I have brought a sleeping bag?
2400 2013-05-16 21:53:55 <sipa> roconnor: very likely, if i find the way :)
2401 2013-05-16 21:54:01 <gmaxwell> Nah.
2402 2013-05-16 21:54:16 <ThaFunkee> since merkle root is the has of first transaction in the block tree, if i got it right, can't miner set the merkle root to practically anything when it solving a block?
2403 2013-05-16 21:54:30 <TD> ThaFunkee: that is not how the merkle root is calculated. check the source.
2404 2013-05-16 21:54:35 <sipa> ThaFunkee: that's not correct
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2406 2013-05-16 21:56:08 <ThaFunkee> not cool
2407 2013-05-16 21:56:10 <roconnor> what time does the bitcoin conference end?
2408 2013-05-16 21:56:22 <sipa> gmaxwell, Luke-Jr: it' d be nice to meet you guys already, but i can't promise i'll want to stay awake for much longer
2409 2013-05-16 21:56:30 <sipa> roconnor: which day?
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2411 2013-05-16 21:56:45 <roconnor> sipa: Sunday
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2413 2013-05-16 21:57:29 <Luke-Jr> sipa: can sleep on the plane? :P
2414 2013-05-16 21:57:29 <roconnor> ThaFunkee: the extranonce goes in the "script" field of the coinbase IIRC.
2415 2013-05-16 21:58:21 <Luke-Jr> hmm, I should have grabbed food before setting up laptopâ¦
2416 2013-05-16 21:58:23 <sipa> Luke-Jr: maybe
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2419 2013-05-16 22:00:07 <boonies4u> anyone/thing going to be livestreaming?
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2421 2013-05-16 22:00:17 <boonies4u> or will I have to wait until someone uploads vids?
2422 2013-05-16 22:00:35 <roconnor> bitcoin conference 2013
2423 2013-05-16 22:00:47 <roconnor> oops
2424 2013-05-16 22:00:54 <sipa> roconnor: irc is not google
2425 2013-05-16 22:00:57 <roconnor> keyboard focus issue
2426 2013-05-16 22:01:25 <sipa> roconnor: until when are you in the area?
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2428 2013-05-16 22:01:41 <roconnor> I'm leaving Monday evening
2429 2013-05-16 22:02:03 <sipa> cool
2430 2013-05-16 22:02:17 <sipa> (well, not that you' re leaving, but that it's only on monday)
2431 2013-05-16 22:02:57 <Luke-Jr> we should cancel that other conf so roconnor goes to BC2013 :P
2432 2013-05-16 22:03:40 <roconnor> sipa: I'd be interested in joining any Sunday dinner plans you might end up with.
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2437 2013-05-16 22:05:01 <boonies4u> I might go to Bitcoin Conference 2014
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2439 2013-05-16 22:05:33 <gmaxwell> I recommend Bitcoin Conference 1908. That one is really rocking.
2440 2013-05-16 22:06:01 <boonies4u> I will probably just go to Lollapalooza
2441 2013-05-16 22:06:17 <sipa> Of course, that's in base 11
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2443 2013-05-16 22:07:02 * sipa also just used his credit card for the first time in his life
2444 2013-05-16 22:07:08 <sipa> somehow... i feel infected by it
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2449 2013-05-16 22:07:36 <gmaxwell> WELCOME TO AMERICA.
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2451 2013-05-16 22:07:47 <gmaxwell> Have they issued you your gun and SUV yet?
2452 2013-05-16 22:07:51 <Cusipzzz> sipa: charge it back, the true power of a credit card :)
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2454 2013-05-16 22:07:51 <boonies4u> base 11?
2455 2013-05-16 22:07:56 <boonies4u> but that's an odd number
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2457 2013-05-16 22:08:00 <boonies4u> how sadistic
2458 2013-05-16 22:08:03 <sipa> boonies4u: not in base 3
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2461 2013-05-16 22:08:26 <boonies4u> sipa: what about base 3?
2462 2013-05-16 22:08:28 <sipa> gmaxwell: haha
2463 2013-05-16 22:08:44 <boonies4u> -counts-
2464 2013-05-16 22:08:47 <sipa> boonies4u: clearly the '11' in 'base 11', is given in base 3
2465 2013-05-16 22:08:53 <boonies4u> 9+1 = 10?
2466 2013-05-16 22:08:54 * Luke-Jr proposes base pi squared
2467 2013-05-16 22:09:14 * sipa proposes base phi
2468 2013-05-16 22:09:19 <boonies4u> so 11 in base 3 would be 10?
2469 2013-05-16 22:09:26 <boonies4u> (10 in decimal)
2470 2013-05-16 22:09:33 <boonies4u> base Tau!
2471 2013-05-16 22:09:53 <roconnor> base phi-squared is actually kinda nice
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2473 2013-05-16 22:10:00 * roconnor went to a talk on that once
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2477 2013-05-16 22:11:11 <boonies4u> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio_base
2478 2013-05-16 22:11:12 <roconnor> it turns addition into that exploding atoms game
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2480 2013-05-16 22:11:14 <boonies4u> ?
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2483 2013-05-16 22:12:01 <boonies4u> oh wow
2484 2013-05-16 22:12:08 <boonies4u> phi-base actually looks really nice
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2486 2013-05-16 22:12:27 <sipa> roconnor: it has the remarkable property that every integer can be represented by a finite base-phi expansion :)
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2491 2013-05-16 22:13:36 <roconnor> it is actually pretty easy to prove by induction
2492 2013-05-16 22:14:04 <roconnor> 0 and 1 has a finite base phi expansion
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2494 2013-05-16 22:14:26 <roconnor> and you can show that adding two finite base phi expansions results in a finite expansion
2495 2013-05-16 22:14:57 <sipa> an hour ago i was waiting at the gate for my plane, when i noticed that it said "San Jose, CR" instead of "San Jose, CA"
2496 2013-05-16 22:15:01 <roconnor> In fact, I'm using base phi^2 in my new alt-chain.
2497 2013-05-16 22:15:16 <sipa> thankfully, i was at the wrong gate
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2499 2013-05-16 22:15:26 <roconnor> sipa: you are in BIG trouble
2500 2013-05-16 22:15:31 <roconnor> sipa: whe
2501 2013-05-16 22:15:32 <roconnor> w
2502 2013-05-16 22:15:56 <sipa> now i'm at one which says CA, an dmatches the the fligt number on my ticket :)
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2504 2013-05-16 22:16:08 <gmaxwell> sipa: I know someone who managed to actually get on a flight to San Jose, CR when trying to go to SJC. They did not have a good couple days.
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2508 2013-05-16 22:16:28 <sipa> managed to get _on_ the plane?
2509 2013-05-16 22:16:30 <sipa> wait?
2510 2013-05-16 22:16:40 <sipa> you mean to say...
2511 2013-05-16 22:16:52 <sipa> all that TSA stuff is _just_ security theatre?
2512 2013-05-16 22:16:59 <boonies4u> sounds like an interesting way to slip out of the counrty
2513 2013-05-16 22:17:05 <boonies4u> country*
2514 2013-05-16 22:17:19 <roconnor> san jose CR
2515 2013-05-16 22:17:32 <sipa> gmaxwell: but the frightening tthing was that i had no idea about the exitance about a San Jose, CR
2516 2013-05-16 22:17:47 <sipa> so i obviously never paid attention to the fact when booking
2517 2013-05-16 22:17:57 <boonies4u> ^
2518 2013-05-16 22:18:12 <sipa> (though i suppose i would have seen a "costa rica" somewhere...)
2519 2013-05-16 22:18:18 <gmaxwell> I think they actually managed to book to costa rica.
2520 2013-05-16 22:18:38 <roconnor> Does costra rica have TSA?
2521 2013-05-16 22:18:42 <sipa> that would explain why they got on the plane
2522 2013-05-16 22:18:52 <sipa> roconnor: getting out of the US is easier than into it, i think
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2526 2013-05-16 22:22:03 <Luke-Jr> lol
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2532 2013-05-16 22:24:16 <Luke-Jr> k, gonna grab something to eat.. ttyl
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2539 2013-05-16 22:29:39 <boonies4u> anyone going to this? https://hackmiami.com/bitcoin-dev-hack-a-thon/
2540 2013-05-16 22:31:26 <GenTarkin> hopefully they wont be tryin to hack bitcoin =P
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2542 2013-05-16 22:32:18 <boonies4u> huehuehue
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2544 2013-05-16 22:32:28 <boonies4u> but hacking is a good thing
2545 2013-05-16 22:32:30 <boonies4u> in this context
2546 2013-05-16 22:32:34 <roconnor> GenTarkin: finding a hack in bitcoin would be a good thing
2547 2013-05-16 22:32:34 <ThaFunkee> uhm, so extraNonce doesn't depend on time anymore
2548 2013-05-16 22:32:38 <roconnor> to unconver
2549 2013-05-16 22:32:48 <GenTarkin> not realy
2550 2013-05-16 22:32:52 <GenTarkin> well it would be
2551 2013-05-16 22:32:59 <GenTarkin> if the problem was addressed nearly instantaneously
2552 2013-05-16 22:33:50 <jspilman> are there any writeups out there on implementing larger than n-of-3 multisig with bitcoin using some off-block chain direct coordination between parties? is there any crypto magic which would let you combine signatures of a given hash from N parties to produce a a valid signature for a pubkey which was constructed between M parties?
2553 2013-05-16 22:36:50 <jspilman> I think I can see how you would do it for M-of-M
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2555 2013-05-16 22:40:43 <sipa> gmaxwell, Luke-Jr: so, do I look for you guys or not? I don't want to make you wait if i'm not very useful company :)
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2558 2013-05-16 22:42:37 <jaakkos> so did you get past immigration yet? :)
2559 2013-05-16 22:42:59 <Cusipzzz> sipa made it past the jackbooted thugs!
2560 2013-05-16 22:43:24 <jaakkos> "what are you doing in the us?" "well there is this black market money laundering ponzi scheme"
2561 2013-05-16 22:43:36 <boonies4u> lolol
2562 2013-05-16 22:44:13 <Cusipzzz> "and we're all getting together to figure out how to make it better!"
2563 2013-05-16 22:44:20 <roconnor> jaakkos: that is used to buy illegal drugs ....
2564 2013-05-16 22:45:03 <roconnor> "oh, and I forgot about the tax evasion
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2567 2013-05-16 22:45:43 <roconnor> anyhow, as long as sipa has no fruit he can pass customs in California. :D
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2569 2013-05-16 22:46:12 <TD> jspilman: there are threshold ECDSA schemes yes, and threshold RSA. however, what is wrong with CHECKMULTISIG
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2571 2013-05-16 22:46:39 <boonies4u> roconnor: what about an extra-terrestrial arthropod?
2572 2013-05-16 22:46:57 <roconnor> arthropod
2573 2013-05-16 22:47:02 <roconnor> fuck
2574 2013-05-16 22:47:07 <roconnor> I hate X
2575 2013-05-16 22:47:36 <roconnor> anyhow; arthropods are the main reason fruit isn't allowed I think
2576 2013-05-16 22:48:00 <TD> sipa: welcome to the usa! :-)
2577 2013-05-16 22:49:02 <warren> Woo. I fixed gitian on fedora.
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2580 2013-05-16 22:52:00 <sipa> TD: thanks, not arrested, so far!
2581 2013-05-16 22:52:13 <sipa> cya guys
2582 2013-05-16 22:52:19 <TD> heh
2583 2013-05-16 22:52:36 <sipa> i'm off to the gate
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2585 2013-05-16 22:54:28 <Cusipzzz> this is great.. we need a webpage tracking all the travellers over googlemaps, with status like "Arrested" "Drunk" "Lost" etc
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2589 2013-05-16 22:57:15 <sipa> "pruned", "reduced to dust", "failed to relay", "orphan", ...
2590 2013-05-16 22:57:20 <nsh> +1
2591 2013-05-16 22:57:23 <boonies4u> lol
2592 2013-05-16 22:57:32 <jspilman> TD: curious about ways to do it with a single pubkey/signature on the block chain, and also M>3 is non standard
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2594 2013-05-16 22:57:50 <TD> yeah, but if you have a compelling use case M could be increased up to 20
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2596 2013-05-16 22:59:56 <TD> anyway, yes, it's possible. see the paper "A robust threshold elliptic curve digital signature providing a new verifiable secret sharing scheme" by Maged H. Ibrahim I. A. Ali I. I. Ibrahim A. H. El-sawi
2597 2013-05-16 23:00:08 <TD> finding an implementation on the other hand â¦. good luck with that!
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2600 2013-05-16 23:01:22 <nsh> i actually implemented this in qbasic, incidentally as a side-effect of a speech-recognition engine
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2602 2013-05-16 23:02:12 <weex> are there any network health scripts that anyone can point me to?
2603 2013-05-16 23:02:12 <nsh> TD, searching for that paper title brings up an Angelfire result (PDF)
2604 2013-05-16 23:02:16 <nsh> this always makes me smile
2605 2013-05-16 23:02:25 <TD> search for [threshold ecdsa] and it's the first hit
2606 2013-05-16 23:02:42 <nsh> (site: http://www.angelfire.com/al4/maged/ )
2607 2013-05-16 23:03:02 <weex> http://bitcoinstatus.rowit.co.uk/ hasn't updated for a long time
2608 2013-05-16 23:03:24 <TD> hah
2609 2013-05-16 23:03:28 <TD> weex: yeah it's hosed
2610 2013-05-16 23:03:31 * nsh is lacking institutional access and the world is lacking aaronsw, so looking a bit further down the results is unfortunately necessary
2611 2013-05-16 23:04:03 <weex> TD: i'm gonna email them, no response to a post in their thread a month or so ago
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2614 2013-05-16 23:05:20 <gmaxwell> those stats were never especially useful.
2615 2013-05-16 23:05:45 <weex> gmaxwell: what would have been better?
2616 2013-05-16 23:06:00 <gmaxwell> I mean what they attempted to display would have been, but they were always wrong for some reason.
2617 2013-05-16 23:06:01 <weex> i know i saw something of a fork monitor in one of these channels recently
2618 2013-05-16 23:06:02 <lianj> whats the error message in the gui when you try to send < dust_amount ?
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2620 2013-05-16 23:06:17 <jspilman> TD: is the threshold schemes, is the result a key that can be used to sign, or is the result the signature of a specific digest?
2621 2013-05-16 23:06:26 <jspilman> *in
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2623 2013-05-16 23:08:55 <sipa> lianj: non-standard transaction
2624 2013-05-16 23:09:01 <sipa> we should improve that
2625 2013-05-16 23:10:08 <TD> jspilman: signature
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2627 2013-05-16 23:11:03 <sipa> "we begin boarding... first women with children, then first class, business class, star alliance members, diamond members, gold members, ..."
2628 2013-05-16 23:11:17 * sipa just waits until the queue is empty
2629 2013-05-16 23:11:26 <sipa> i never understood why others do differently
2630 2013-05-16 23:11:45 <lianj> sipa: yea, was thinking of a good descriptive sentence
2631 2013-05-16 23:12:00 <lianj> but my englisch sucksâ¦
2632 2013-05-16 23:12:02 <roconnor> sipa: there is limited overhead compartment space
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2634 2013-05-16 23:12:45 <sipa> roconnor: i have no idea whether you're referring to some abstract mathematic construct or an airplane (in case of the latter, how that is relevant)
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2636 2013-05-16 23:13:47 <roconnor> sipa: Boarding a plane earlier increases your changes of getting to use the overhead bin above your seat, or anywhere at all.
2637 2013-05-16 23:14:04 <roconnor> that is why some people try to get on earlier
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2640 2013-05-16 23:16:01 <sipa> roconnor: that is the first good argument i heard, but i really doubt that this is the incentive for most
2641 2013-05-16 23:16:17 <sipa> oh, i forgot platinum members!
2642 2013-05-16 23:18:06 <TD> because it's more interesting to stand up for a bit than continue to sit down
2643 2013-05-16 23:18:40 <sipa> you find queueing more fun than sitting in a confy seat?
2644 2013-05-16 23:19:11 <sipa> walking and standing up is certainly nice, but queueing...
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2657 2013-05-16 23:36:06 <notplato> I am running Windows 7 and installed VirtualBox and have an Ubuntu guest OS. Can I run gitian-builder from Windows 7 or is gitian-builder a Linux-only tool?
2658 2013-05-16 23:36:29 <nsh> ;;google gitian-builder on windows
2659 2013-05-16 23:36:29 <gribble> devrandom/gitian-builder · GitHub: <https://github.com/devrandom/gitian-builder>; ppcoin/contrib/gitian-descriptors at master · ppcoin/ppcoin · GitHub: <https://github.com/ppcoin/ppcoin/tree/master/contrib/gitian-descriptors>; devrandom/gitian-builder - GitHub: <https://github.com/devrandom/gitian-builder/pull/32>
2660 2013-05-16 23:37:18 <nsh> notplato, i assume you've got this open already? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=42198.0
2661 2013-05-16 23:37:47 <notplato> yup
2662 2013-05-16 23:38:54 <nsh> k, i almost certainly cannot provide any further help :/
2663 2013-05-16 23:39:05 <nsh> well, i could try and do it myself but that would involve booting windows
2664 2013-05-16 23:39:13 <nsh> AND AIN'T NOBODY GOT TIME FOR THAT
2665 2013-05-16 23:39:18 <notplato> lol
2666 2013-05-16 23:41:58 <lianj> sipa: do i understand it right now that the min fee was lowered to 0.0001 i can change it in my software too and all tx will still be mined like with 0.0005/kb before?
2667 2013-05-16 23:42:19 <lianj> did many miners already change/accept to that min fee
2668 2013-05-16 23:42:59 <gmaxwell> No, not yet. Some do... but also, fees that low cause fairly long delays.
2669 2013-05-16 23:43:11 <gmaxwell> (even ignoring acceptance)
2670 2013-05-16 23:43:34 <lianj> gmaxwell: what would you suggest when its possible
2671 2013-05-16 23:43:49 <lianj> so i make a branch now and merge it then
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2673 2013-05-16 23:44:52 <SteveDekorte> 1337 https://blockchain.info/address/12c6DSiU4Rq3P4ZxziKxzrL5LmMBrzjrJX
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2675 2013-05-16 23:45:31 <gmaxwell> Traffic levels rather than the minimum threshold seem to dominate the 'worst case' behavior more now... in any case, I think it would be fine to move the behavior on your otherwise free transactions when 0.8.2 is released... miners should adopt fairly quickly
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2677 2013-05-16 23:46:18 <lianj> ok, thanks
2678 2013-05-16 23:47:49 <dansmith_btc> Hi, in python-bitcoinrpc's createrawtransaction(), the "outputs" is of type dict. I need my outputs to be in a certain sequence, but python has its own way of storing dict keys, mixing their order. How can I achieve fixed ordering of outputs?
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2685 2013-05-16 23:52:56 <nsillik> dansmith_btc: http://code.activestate.com/recipes/496761/
2686 2013-05-16 23:53:02 <nsillik> something like that work?
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2688 2013-05-16 23:55:03 <nsillik> dansmith_btc: there's also this SO (where I stole that link from): http://stackoverflow.com/questions/60848/how-do-you-retrieve-items-from-a-dictionary-in-the-order-that-theyre-inserted
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2690 2013-05-16 23:55:15 <nsh> dictionaries should not be assumed to have an order
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2692 2013-05-16 23:55:38 <beethoven8201> seems like blockchain.info still broken?
2693 2013-05-16 23:55:51 <nsh> define broken
2694 2013-05-16 23:56:04 <beethoven8201> it is missing transactions
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