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   3 2013-05-18 00:03:48 <phantomcircuit> lol
   4 2013-05-18 00:04:10 <phantomcircuit> there is an unconfirmed transaction for 0.000496 BTC from feb 18th
   5 2013-05-18 00:04:21 <phantomcircuit> sigh
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  16 2013-05-18 00:37:04 <BlueMatt> petertodd: oh for fucks sake...wtf???
  17 2013-05-18 00:37:07 <BlueMatt> really?
  18 2013-05-18 00:37:35 <BlueMatt> petertodd: that is the exact opposite of how technical discussions should happen
  19 2013-05-18 00:37:42 <kinlo> ?
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  21 2013-05-18 00:39:05 <Scrat> I suspect it has something to do with his video
  22 2013-05-18 00:39:19 <BlueMatt> petertodd: seriously, I would expect that of some random bitcointalk troll, but from someone who is usually reasonable...
  23 2013-05-18 00:39:29 <ne0futur> BlueMatt: you re answering to a 4 hours old talk ?
  24 2013-05-18 00:39:44 <BlueMatt> ne0futur: I cant read scrollback?
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  27 2013-05-18 00:39:54 <ne0futur> yes you can ;)
  28 2013-05-18 00:39:56 <BlueMatt> ne0futur: I was reading irc before going to bed...
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  30 2013-05-18 00:40:07 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, hmm?
  31 2013-05-18 00:40:15 <ne0futur> np, just surprised, but its good I have /lastlog
  32 2013-05-18 00:40:22 <phantomcircuit> oh ffs i cant listen to free talk anymore
  33 2013-05-18 00:40:27 <kinlo> I'd expect all of you to be at the conference
  34 2013-05-18 00:40:50 <phantomcircuit> kinlo, i have more imporant things to do
  35 2013-05-18 00:40:52 <phantomcircuit> like anything else
  36 2013-05-18 00:41:01 <BlueMatt> petertodd made a video to try to get $RANDOM_USER to get upset if anyone tries to take the side of increasing block size limit
  37 2013-05-18 00:41:19 <ne0futur> kinlo: you should pay the roundtrip travel to anyone in the world ;)
  38 2013-05-18 00:41:45 <kinlo> ne0futur: well, that's why I'm at home, the trip is too expensive for me
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  40 2013-05-18 00:42:21 <kinlo> and I joined the party way too late so I don't have thousands of bitcoins :)
  41 2013-05-18 00:43:04 <BlueMatt> (dont get me wrong, user feedback is important, but when discussions are necessarily technical, trying to dumb it down and inform users when the discussion is still happening only serves to destroy reasonable technical discussion)
  42 2013-05-18 00:43:17 <phantomcircuit> kinlo, most of the developers dont have a lot of bitcoins
  43 2013-05-18 00:43:28 <kinlo> yeah, I know :)
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  47 2013-05-18 00:46:47 <ne0futur> kinlo: eh same for me
  48 2013-05-18 00:47:17 <BlueMatt> kinlo: only like one or two have thousands of BTC...
  49 2013-05-18 00:47:33 <kinlo> :)
  50 2013-05-18 00:47:45 <BlueMatt> (and not even close for me :( )
  51 2013-05-18 00:48:29 <kinlo> I find the movie petertodd made pretty professional... I agree with petertodd's reasoning for making it 1mb, but I can follow BlueMatt too, this is a technical discussion that should not be made public that way
  52 2013-05-18 00:48:55 <kinlo> we don't want the main press to cover this coz they will never understand and send out entirely wrong information
  53 2013-05-18 00:49:07 <BlueMatt> oh, the video looks all kinds of spiffy and I have no problem with the reasoning...as an argument
  54 2013-05-18 00:49:28 <BlueMatt> its not only that, but look at what happened with the P2SH stuff...
  55 2013-05-18 00:49:35 <kinlo> yeah
  56 2013-05-18 00:49:55 <BlueMatt> all of a sudden everyone has an  opinion and even when developers start to agree, no one wants to listen because suddenly they are all experts
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  58 2013-05-18 00:52:07 <BlueMatt> (its good to have community involvement in cases where it makes sense, ie to act as a check on developer power so that nothing crazy gets snuck in...its a tricky line, but imnsho this goes far over it)
  59 2013-05-18 00:52:09 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, yup
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  63 2013-05-18 00:54:33 <rdponticelli> Got to love opinionated people :p
  64 2013-05-18 00:55:18 <BlueMatt> opinionated == everyone with a slight interest and an hour to read up on the topic
  65 2013-05-18 00:55:43 <BlueMatt> its just human nature, and there is nothing wrong with that (lots of good ideas come from this kind of thing), but...
  66 2013-05-18 00:59:17 <rdponticelli> It's not easy to form an opinion about complex technical stuff
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  68 2013-05-18 01:00:44 <rdponticelli> But a lot of people approaches slightly some subjet and quickly forms and opinion...
  69 2013-05-18 01:01:05 <Plinker_> The difference between computers and humans is having the ability to form and express opinions
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  76 2013-05-18 01:20:54 <JDuke128> hi almost everybody has this problem : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=182957.0
  77 2013-05-18 01:21:03 <JDuke128> also me have the same problem
  78 2013-05-18 01:24:00 <BlueMatt> JDuke128: that isnt bitcoinj...
  79 2013-05-18 01:24:05 <phantomcircuit> JDuke128, you're not likely to find help on that
  80 2013-05-18 01:24:08 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, it's c#
  81 2013-05-18 01:24:09 <BlueMatt> "I'm using bitcoinsharp"
  82 2013-05-18 01:24:18 <JDuke128> i m using bitcoinj
  83 2013-05-18 01:24:20 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: yes, JDuke128 has (AFAIK) been using bitcoinj
  84 2013-05-18 01:24:21 <JDuke128> but same problem
  85 2013-05-18 01:24:29 <JDuke128> but i ve same problem
  86 2013-05-18 01:24:33 <BlueMatt> are you using a very old version of bitcoinj?
  87 2013-05-18 01:24:36 <JDuke128> it has been 4 days and
  88 2013-05-18 01:24:44 <JDuke128> i m still trying to solve same problems
  89 2013-05-18 01:24:46 <JDuke128> ;(
  90 2013-05-18 01:25:04 <JDuke128> we are making next generation commerce framework
  91 2013-05-18 01:25:12 <JDuke128> we spent many hours for bitcoinj
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  93 2013-05-18 01:25:20 <JDuke128> and we can't focus on project main part
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  99 2013-05-18 01:27:21 <JDuke128> i can donate any professional who helps us for bitcoinj api
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 101 2013-05-18 01:28:09 <JDuke128> we are losing our days for nothing
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 103 2013-05-18 01:29:11 <weex> JDuke128: have you posted about your specific problem?
 104 2013-05-18 01:30:16 <BlueMatt> weex: he's dumped code, but Im not sure anyone has time atm to just run it...
 105 2013-05-18 01:31:15 <JDuke128> i will send full project
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 111 2013-05-18 01:42:26 <JDuke128> the problem maybe because of i m using old bitcoinj 0.8 ?
 112 2013-05-18 01:42:32 <JDuke128> brb
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 120 2013-05-18 01:58:47 <JDuke128> log file shows this
 121 2013-05-18 01:58:48 <JDuke128> [PeerGroup STARTING] ERROR com.google.bitcoin.discovery.DnsDiscovery - Failed to look up DNS seeds from dnsseed.plan99.net: java.net.UnknownHostException: dnsseed.plan99.net
 122 2013-05-18 02:01:34 <gmaxwell> Is there some place where the cool people are hiding?
 123 2013-05-18 02:03:00 <gmaxwell> and it's confirmed "millybitcoin" is a dude.
 124 2013-05-18 02:05:12 <JDuke128> http://fileserver.bayner.com/~kadir/test.zip <= here is my full project , it doesn't download block chain for some reason
 125 2013-05-18 02:05:37 <JDuke128> someone may checkout this code downloads all block chain and bypasses downloadBlockchain ?
 126 2013-05-18 02:06:10 <JDuke128> my code hangs here : peerGroup.downloadBlockChain();
 127 2013-05-18 02:06:20 <JDuke128> and it doesn't make any download
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 141 2013-05-18 02:24:49 <nospinzy> Hello, when inputing a sendmany command directly into the console, what format does everything need to look like
 142 2013-05-18 02:24:59 <nospinzy> <fromaccount> {address:amount,...}
 143 2013-05-18 02:25:06 <nospinzy> do you need quotes around the address
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 154 2013-05-18 02:38:31 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, bcache got merged into mainline
 155 2013-05-18 02:38:41 <phantomcircuit> or rather into linus' tree
 156 2013-05-18 02:38:55 <phantomcircuit> it'll be interesting to see if it crashes his system or not
 157 2013-05-18 02:38:56 <phantomcircuit> hehe
 158 2013-05-18 02:39:46 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: yes, I saw that...wouldnt be at all surprised if it crashes more than one machine...
 159 2013-05-18 02:40:44 <phantomcircuit> py1hon was telling me that it wasn't a big deal that fsync didn't work
 160 2013-05-18 02:40:50 <phantomcircuit> which is just
 161 2013-05-18 02:40:51 <phantomcircuit> lol
 162 2013-05-18 02:40:57 <BlueMatt> wait..wat?
 163 2013-05-18 02:41:14 <BlueMatt> fsync doesnt pass through to at least one device?
 164 2013-05-18 02:41:25 <phantomcircuit> yeah apparently he didn't set the flag indicating bcache supported the flush op
 165 2013-05-18 02:41:30 <phantomcircuit> so the vfs never sent it
 166 2013-05-18 02:41:45 <phantomcircuit> the last i checked fixing it caused random crashes
 167 2013-05-18 02:41:56 <BlueMatt> heh
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 180 2013-05-18 02:52:49 <nospinzy> Ok well are the figures for the bitcoinapi in satochi or in bitcoin decimals
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 227 2013-05-18 03:39:44 <sacarlson> I'm sure you all must of already heard about mtgox frozen assets? http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/u-s-freezes-accounts-of-world-s-leading-bitcoin-exchange/article_cd5a4356-9724-541b-b129-d18aedb421ca.html
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 231 2013-05-18 03:40:12 <nimdAHK> sacarlson: wrong channel
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 233 2013-05-18 03:40:31 <nimdAHK> #bitcoin
 234 2013-05-18 03:40:42 <sacarlson> nimdAHK: probly true and I already gave it to #bitcoin
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 250 2013-05-18 03:56:03 <duSn> sacarlson: did anyone have trouble getting money back ?
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 254 2013-05-18 03:58:42 <sacarlson> duSn: I don't know,  I would think there would only be a problem if you were moving USD to or from mtgox at the time the froze the asets
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 262 2013-05-18 04:10:55 <duSn> what all the money in the account they seized -
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 264 2013-05-18 04:11:22 <duSn> what about all ^^
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 267 2013-05-18 04:12:48 <sacarlson> duSn: mtgox is a japanese company so I would think there USD asets would be stationed in japan?  if mtgox has the USD part of there asets in US banks then I guess anyone that had mtgox accounts with usd in them may also be at risk
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 290 2013-05-18 04:24:20 <duSn> kinda wondering why there isn't anyone with 'specific' knowledge about this in the bitcoin channels
 291 2013-05-18 04:24:45 <IanCormac> About what?
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 293 2013-05-18 04:25:37 <gonffen> did you try perhaps... #mtgox?
 294 2013-05-18 04:25:52 <duSn> whether they were able to get their money back, or no answers to emails .. etc
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 302 2013-05-18 04:29:30 <duSn> lots of interesting pure legal questions
 303 2013-05-18 04:30:05 <sacarlson> gmaxwell: I have another article that points to sesure of mtgox assets from wells fargo bank also http://www.cio.com/article/733485/Mt._Gox_Accused_of_Violating_US_Money_Transfer_Regulations
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 344 2013-05-18 05:19:45 <Plinker_> sacarlson: If The US goverment put a seizure it will take awhile to see what happens
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 350 2013-05-18 05:34:40 <DoctorBTC> Bitcoin-qt on OSX 10.6 ... am I the only one who finds that if you close the window, there's no way to get it back?
 351 2013-05-18 05:34:54 <DoctorBTC> ^^^always been that way for me ^^
 352 2013-05-18 05:35:02 <[\\\]> there's an easy fix
 353 2013-05-18 05:35:07 <DoctorBTC> plz share
 354 2013-05-18 05:35:09 <[\\\]> buy a pc/use linux.
 355 2013-05-18 05:35:24 <DoctorBTC> (sad trumpet)
 356 2013-05-18 05:35:31 <[\\\]> sorry, bad troll
 357 2013-05-18 05:35:40 <DoctorBTC> you are a meany.
 358 2013-05-18 05:36:20 <DoctorBTC> No, really.  Is this a 'feature' of the software?
 359 2013-05-18 05:36:38 <[\\\]> I'm sure its a bug.
 360 2013-05-18 05:36:44 <[\\\]> Have you tried reporting it?
 361 2013-05-18 05:37:02 <DoctorBTC> No.  But I will. Perhaps I'm the only Mac user in bitcoinland!
 362 2013-05-18 05:38:27 <DoctorBTC> where is the place to search/report something like this?
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 367 2013-05-18 05:50:29 <JDuke128> i got solved the problem !!! bitcoinj now downloading block chain again hope i will see money not 0 BTC now.
 368 2013-05-18 05:50:35 <JDuke128> i m waiting download complete
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 372 2013-05-18 05:52:02 <JDuke128> the problem was peerGroup.addEventListener(this);
 373 2013-05-18 05:52:06 <JDuke128> i removed this line
 374 2013-05-18 05:52:15 <JDuke128> then now started download again
 375 2013-05-18 05:58:56 <JDuke128> okay now i got problem solved
 376 2013-05-18 05:59:04 <JDuke128> completely downloaded
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 386 2013-05-18 06:11:52 <super3> hello
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 393 2013-05-18 06:21:45 <JDuke128> hi
 394 2013-05-18 06:21:49 <JDuke128> super3 , hi
 395 2013-05-18 06:22:09 <super3> JDuke128, ho
 396 2013-05-18 06:22:15 <super3> hi*
 397 2013-05-18 06:22:32 <JDuke128> i m using bitcoinj api , i got 0 BTC on my balance but its not 0 ;(
 398 2013-05-18 06:22:37 <JDuke128> i downloaded fully chain
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 400 2013-05-18 06:22:47 <JDuke128> how can i sync wallet ?
 401 2013-05-18 06:23:06 <JDuke128> here is the address ; http://blockchain.info/hi/address/16asoo6WymyQjSUUtjtPWizP2dptM1eh8C
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 403 2013-05-18 06:24:22 <super3> JDuke128, by waiting a very long time
 404 2013-05-18 06:24:40 <JDuke128> i got 5.1GB download already ?
 405 2013-05-18 06:24:52 <sydna> it's 7GB+
 406 2013-05-18 06:25:12 <super3> so you still have 1.9 GB to go
 407 2013-05-18 06:25:18 <JDuke128> h2 ?
 408 2013-05-18 06:25:27 <JDuke128> same size on h2 ?
 409 2013-05-18 06:25:30 <super3> at least
 410 2013-05-18 06:25:42 <JDuke128> store = new H2FullPrunedBlockStore(params, storeFile.getCanonicalPath(), 10000 );
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 412 2013-05-18 06:25:50 <JDuke128> i did this
 413 2013-05-18 06:26:02 <JDuke128> but my client says block chain download complete
 414 2013-05-18 06:26:14 <JDuke128> and size is not increasing more ?
 415 2013-05-18 06:26:41 <JDuke128> Downloading block chain of size 0.
 416 2013-05-18 06:26:41 <JDuke128> Done downloading block chain
 417 2013-05-18 06:26:43 <JDuke128> WalletAddress:16asoo6WymyQjSUUtjtPWizP2dptM1eh8C
 418 2013-05-18 06:26:43 <JDuke128> Balance:0.00
 419 2013-05-18 06:26:45 <JDuke128> Balance:0
 420 2013-05-18 06:26:45 <JDuke128> May 18, 2013 8:58:14 AM com.google.bitcoin.core.TCPNetworkConnection onVersionMessage
 421 2013-05-18 06:26:50 <super3> JDuke128, do you actually need the wallet for development purposes?
 422 2013-05-18 06:26:58 <JDuke128> yes
 423 2013-05-18 06:27:22 <super3> are you running the qt client?
 424 2013-05-18 06:27:48 <JDuke128> bitcoinj app
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 427 2013-05-18 06:28:39 <super3> oh thats the first time ive ever heard of the that
 428 2013-05-18 06:28:39 <JDuke128> this is my source
 429 2013-05-18 06:28:40 <JDuke128> http://pastie.org/7924693
 430 2013-05-18 06:29:24 <JDuke128> this is my outputs : http://pastie.org/7924695
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 433 2013-05-18 06:30:05 <JDuke128> but i always got 0 BTC ;(
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 436 2013-05-18 06:31:24 <super3> my suggestion is not to use bitcoinj
 437 2013-05-18 06:31:31 <super3> use bitcoind
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 439 2013-05-18 06:34:15 <JDuke128> but we are making enterprise app
 440 2013-05-18 06:34:23 <JDuke128> it takes longer time on C++
 441 2013-05-18 06:34:30 <JDuke128> at least without bugs :(
 442 2013-05-18 06:34:51 <sydna> communication with bitcoind is through RPC
 443 2013-05-18 06:34:59 <sydna> you can use any language you want
 444 2013-05-18 06:35:58 <super3> what sydna said, just run bitcoind as a daemon and issue commands to it
 445 2013-05-18 06:36:18 <super3> no need to rewrite the whole thing
 446 2013-05-18 06:36:24 <mollison> +1 to what they're saying
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 450 2013-05-18 06:37:52 <super3> commands.getstatusoutput(command)[1]
 451 2013-05-18 06:37:59 <super3> thats the only line of code i need for python
 452 2013-05-18 06:38:54 <super3> i just send it something like "bitcoind sendtoaddress 1DZ5XxwaGkrhC8E1zCrmB5Yahk46DSDhiE 0.01"
 453 2013-05-18 06:39:02 <super3> bitcoind just all the work after that
 454 2013-05-18 06:39:18 <sydna> super3: you should be using RPC, not passing things like that
 455 2013-05-18 06:40:10 <super3> sydna, yes i realize that, this is why things are slightly slow and broken
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 457 2013-05-18 06:40:28 <sydna> if you insist on doing it like that, make sure you're escaping properly
 458 2013-05-18 06:40:53 <sydna> last thing you want is someone passing you an address that looks like "1something;rm -rf /" ;)
 459 2013-05-18 06:41:03 <super3> sydna, that just the hacky way, it works, but it keeps me up at night
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 461 2013-05-18 06:42:27 <sydna> eeyup
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 463 2013-05-18 06:42:42 <sydna> I've never been that comfortable interfacing with RPC, but it's the best we have
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 465 2013-05-18 06:43:10 <super3> sydna, and i mean litterally its 2am and im working on my code
 466 2013-05-18 06:43:30 <sydna> the best productivity happens at 2am.
 467 2013-05-18 06:43:37 <super3> yes yes it does
 468 2013-05-18 06:43:58 <super3> litterally any good code that ive ever written in my life has happened between the hours of 1-4am
 469 2013-05-18 06:44:01 <sydna> just be careful not to introduce any nasty bugs while you're at it.
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 471 2013-05-18 06:44:28 <super3> sydna, i got lazy and stopped running my unit tests
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 473 2013-05-18 06:44:35 <super3> probably should start doing that again
 474 2013-05-18 06:45:22 <super3> also #yolo #doitlive its currently in production, it sends a text to my phone if it breaks
 475 2013-05-18 06:45:45 <super3> ok i think i might have found an awesome python lib for this
 476 2013-05-18 06:46:01 <sydna> I was thinking more of exploitable bugs that cause you to lose currency
 477 2013-05-18 06:46:23 <JDuke128> hmm
 478 2013-05-18 06:46:30 <JDuke128> i donno
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 480 2013-05-18 06:46:55 <JDuke128> if i fix the wallet issue then everything will be better
 481 2013-05-18 06:47:09 <super3> oh theyre probably are, but its actually terracoin and im only keeping 0.8 TRC in there
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 483 2013-05-18 06:47:25 <super3> so I won't particularly miss it
 484 2013-05-18 06:47:26 <sydna> does terracoin not have a testnet?
 485 2013-05-18 06:47:42 <super3> it does
 486 2013-05-18 06:48:36 <super3> but no tests can measure up to real user input
 487 2013-05-18 06:49:20 <super3> currency is only going out, no one is actually putting anything in right now
 488 2013-05-18 06:49:57 <super3> so its just better to live run it a then do triage
 489 2013-05-18 06:50:16 <super3> im slowly building up to a better system and learning by trial and error
 490 2013-05-18 06:50:32 <sydna> there's nothing stopping you testing "real" user input on the test net.
 491 2013-05-18 06:50:44 <sydna> you're making another faucet website, aren't you
 492 2013-05-18 06:50:54 <super3> yes you caught me
 493 2013-05-18 06:51:12 <super3> its a great way to get started in development with bitcoin though
 494 2013-05-18 06:52:08 <super3> any the faucet website out there are pretty terrible
 495 2013-05-18 06:53:18 <super3> and*
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 497 2013-05-18 06:55:26 <super3> is there any particular reason that the bitcoin /docs are written in .txt?
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 499 2013-05-18 06:55:42 <sydna> what would you prefer them to be in?
 500 2013-05-18 06:55:58 <super3> markdown
 501 2013-05-18 06:56:04 <sydna> some of them are
 502 2013-05-18 06:56:05 <gjs278> fuck you
 503 2013-05-18 06:56:06 <super3> and im willing to change them
 504 2013-05-18 06:56:11 <super3> ha ha
 505 2013-05-18 06:56:13 <sydna> just guess it depends who wrote them originally
 506 2013-05-18 06:56:15 <super3> whats wrong with markdown?
 507 2013-05-18 06:56:30 <gjs278> cat doesn't parse markdown
 508 2013-05-18 06:56:38 <gjs278> which is how I read them when I needed to
 509 2013-05-18 06:56:50 <sydna> does really matter, you can still read markdown fine in plaintext
 510 2013-05-18 06:56:53 <sydna> *doesn't
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 512 2013-05-18 06:57:17 <sydna> the beauty of markdown is that it just looks like a bit of ascii embellishments
 513 2013-05-18 06:57:44 <super3> sydna, basically yes
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 515 2013-05-18 06:58:54 <super3> hmmm, yeah i see /doc/translation_process.md is markdown, but everyhing else is txt
 516 2013-05-18 06:59:20 <super3> oh ew there is reStructuredText in here too
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 519 2013-05-18 07:00:29 <super3> hey gribble
 520 2013-05-18 07:00:47 <sydna> I can't imagine the developers would be too upset if you reformatted them and then submitted a pull
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 522 2013-05-18 07:05:42 <super3> sydna, ok thats what im going to do
 523 2013-05-18 07:06:50 <super3> just wanted to get some input really
 524 2013-05-18 07:07:04 <sydna> worst they will do is reject your request
 525 2013-05-18 07:07:30 <super3> gjs278, since cat doesn't do markdown then probably i should have keep the orginal files?
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 527 2013-05-18 07:08:11 <super3> but then again that would mean you would have to update two places...
 528 2013-05-18 07:08:11 <gjs278> I'll never have to read them again
 529 2013-05-18 07:08:45 <super3> ill do like two files and see what happens
 530 2013-05-18 07:08:51 <super3> if they accept it ill do the rest
 531 2013-05-18 07:09:11 <sydna> cat doesn't need to "do" markdown
 532 2013-05-18 07:09:16 <sydna> it's readable without being parsed
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 545 2013-05-18 07:24:24 <super3> ok i just did the readme page and i think it looks much better
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 550 2013-05-18 07:37:37 <super3> sydna, still there?
 551 2013-05-18 07:37:55 <sydna> yes
 552 2013-05-18 07:38:27 <super3> sydna, https://github.com/super3/bitcoin/tree/master/doc
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 554 2013-05-18 07:38:50 <super3> sydna, this is way more readable now https://github.com/super3/bitcoin/blob/master/doc/build-unix.md
 555 2013-05-18 07:39:05 <sydna> hey, that's great
 556 2013-05-18 07:40:33 <super3> yay
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 558 2013-05-18 07:40:46 <super3> ok ill do a few more files, submit a pull and see what happens
 559 2013-05-18 07:41:59 <sydna> might take a bit for people to get around to it
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 568 2013-05-18 07:51:54 <super3> sydna, actually the might just quick pull this now that im working on it
 569 2013-05-18 07:52:07 <super3> some of this stuff is unreadable in its current form
 570 2013-05-18 07:52:26 <super3> release-process.txt
 571 2013-05-18 07:52:34 <super3> is just all over the place
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 573 2013-05-18 07:53:44 <sydna> good thing there's people like you who are enthusiastic enough to do it then
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 577 2013-05-18 07:57:29 <super3> sydna, its a good place to start
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 594 2013-05-18 08:38:55 <super3> sydna, https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2666
 595 2013-05-18 08:40:04 <sydna> that works
 596 2013-05-18 08:40:35 <super3> i didn't touch one or two pages in there, but i got most of them
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 598 2013-05-18 08:41:06 <super3> if it gets pulled, then ill do another run through, then make improvments to the actual docs
 599 2013-05-18 08:41:33 <super3> i like pretty docs
 600 2013-05-18 08:41:35 <super3> they make me happy
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 605 2013-05-18 08:50:47 <JDuke128> waow
 606 2013-05-18 08:50:53 <JDuke128> i ve found the solution
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 608 2013-05-18 08:51:03 <JDuke128> i forgot :             chain.addWallet(wallet);
 609 2013-05-18 08:51:11 <JDuke128> now i can see wallet balance
 610 2013-05-18 08:51:27 <JDuke128> another question , how can i get address balance ? not all wallet balance?
 611 2013-05-18 08:52:07 <Luke-Jr> addresses don't have balances
 612 2013-05-18 08:55:46 <super3> JDuke128, works like a regular wallet with cash, you can tell where all the bills came from you can just spend it
 613 2013-05-18 08:56:02 <super3> there is something like account or something
 614 2013-05-18 08:56:11 * super3 checks the client
 615 2013-05-18 08:56:47 <JDuke128> SPV works fine , but when i try H2FullPrunedBlockStore i see my balance again 0
 616 2013-05-18 08:57:28 <super3> JDuke128, this might be what you are looking for https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Accounts_explained
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 618 2013-05-18 08:59:35 <JDuke128> seems like , H2FullPrunedBlockStore is not stable yet
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 628 2013-05-18 09:16:24 <JDuke128> super3 , as i read on docs full verification and simplified is different but
 629 2013-05-18 09:16:42 <JDuke128> simplified asks to other peers and full verification has its own db without asking any peer ?
 630 2013-05-18 09:16:50 <JDuke128> to check validity of transaction ?
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 632 2013-05-18 09:19:34 <petertodd> BlueMatt: the blocksize was a technical discussion, it's not anymore. We know the trade-offs, and the time has come to have the community start talking about what we care about.
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 641 2013-05-18 09:22:15 <petertodd> BlueMatt: As for the people who do care about keeping Bitcoin solidly decentralized, it's meant to encourage development efforts to fix the problem. I can't and don't want to be the only person working on code related to it.
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 648 2013-05-18 09:28:07 <dansmith_btc> HI, why does bitcoind's lockunspent() return true no matter what txid I give to it?
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 737 2013-05-18 12:02:09 <jonass> hmm.. i try to understand the bitcoin protocol. But one thing i miss: how does a new tx will sent to a node? i just checked https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Protocol_specification and theres nothing about "sending" tx?
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 757 2013-05-18 12:35:35 <FlyingLeap> jonass: i think it's referred to as transaction/tx output
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 763 2013-05-18 12:40:55 <jonass> FlyingLeap hmm? could not find anything about output.
 764 2013-05-18 12:41:16 <BlueMatt> petertodd: are you tripping? do you see any kind of consensus among developers?
 765 2013-05-18 12:42:20 <BlueMatt> petertodd: you realize that almost everyone who is willing and able to code off-chain transaction handling is right here?
 766 2013-05-18 12:42:43 <BlueMatt> petertodd: and making propaganda videos will not change that
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 768 2013-05-18 12:43:28 <BlueMatt> petertodd: finally, who said anyone doesnt care about keeping bitcoin decentralized...why the hell do you think the devs would go for a solution that significantly harms decentralization?
 769 2013-05-18 12:43:41 <BlueMatt> petertodd: thinking anything would be merged that kills it would be insane
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 817 2013-05-18 14:25:44 <nospinzy> double-precision floating point numbers
 818 2013-05-18 14:25:47 <nospinzy> wtf does this mean
 819 2013-05-18 14:26:08 <nospinzy> im trying to use the rpc to send small amounts of coin
 820 2013-05-18 14:26:19 <nospinzy> do i need to represent .00001 differntly
 821 2013-05-18 14:27:31 <sydna> a double just refers to the amount of precision in the representation of an int
 822 2013-05-18 14:27:33 <sydna> so no
 823 2013-05-18 14:28:19 <raad287> an int is a solid number, no decimals
 824 2013-05-18 14:28:26 <raad287> a float has less precision then a double
 825 2013-05-18 14:28:46 <raad287> int = whole number
 826 2013-05-18 14:28:53 <sydna> yeah, I fucked that one up
 827 2013-05-18 14:28:54 <raad287> float = decimal number
 828 2013-05-18 14:29:02 <raad287> you can also use decimal in some languages
 829 2013-05-18 14:29:08 <raad287> there's a table for this kind of thing
 830 2013-05-18 14:29:16 <raad287> usually a double is the most precise
 831 2013-05-18 14:29:17 <nospinzy> i need to send coins in the bitcoin client
 832 2013-05-18 14:29:24 <nospinzy> and its telling me i dont have enough coins
 833 2013-05-18 14:29:37 <nospinzy> when im sedning small amounts
 834 2013-05-18 14:29:46 <raad287> you might not have enough to cover the fee
 835 2013-05-18 14:29:54 <nospinzy> no i clearly do
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 837 2013-05-18 14:30:01 <nospinzy> and its not dust
 838 2013-05-18 14:30:24 <raad287> is this a client your creating or just the regular bitcoin client
 839 2013-05-18 14:30:40 <nospinzy> i was testing it out sending .00001 and .00002 in a sendmany command
 840 2013-05-18 14:30:50 <nospinzy> and its not working, giving me an error about funds
 841 2013-05-18 14:31:01 <nospinzy> ITS BITCOIN-QT
 842 2013-05-18 14:31:18 <nospinzy> im using the debug menu to send
 843 2013-05-18 14:31:21 <raad287> you can stick an f behind it, that has to be done in some programming languages
 844 2013-05-18 14:31:25 <raad287> 0.0001f
 845 2013-05-18 14:31:41 <raad287> f designating float, but i don't think the client is meant to read it in that fashion
 846 2013-05-18 14:31:47 <nospinzy> you can send coins from the debig menu correct?
 847 2013-05-18 14:31:58 <nospinzy> no its not ment to read that
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 850 2013-05-18 14:32:18 <raad287> your probably messing up the commands in some way not the number itself
 851 2013-05-18 14:32:25 <nospinzy> im not
 852 2013-05-18 14:32:30 <nospinzy> ill post it for u
 853 2013-05-18 14:32:51 <nospinzy> sendmany "Myaddress" '{"1DiKKS7KGyDZwHFp8XoqPZG456drUQdzR3":.00001,"1JL3Rc7ZSqa7sBPb9AeRUhqFCNZzuDW87U":.00002}'
 854 2013-05-18 14:33:10 <nospinzy> i took out my address
 855 2013-05-18 14:33:13 <raad287> i'm not sure what the fee is for that, i'd check that
 856 2013-05-18 14:33:22 <nospinzy> i have it set
 857 2013-05-18 14:33:25 <raad287> and maybe, quotations around the numbers?
 858 2013-05-18 14:33:29 <nospinzy> for .0005
 859 2013-05-18 14:33:48 <nospinzy> do you think they are going to charge me 100 bitcoins for a fee?
 860 2013-05-18 14:33:56 <nospinzy> thats not what is the issue here
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 863 2013-05-18 14:34:45 <raad287> i'm not quite sure, i program but not specifically for the bitcoin client
 864 2013-05-18 14:34:51 <raad287> it's gotta be formatting
 865 2013-05-18 14:35:13 <raad287> that or it's right and the wallet file your using doesn't have enough bitcoins in it lol, but these are all just guesses
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 867 2013-05-18 14:35:43 <nospinzy> the wallet file?
 868 2013-05-18 14:36:01 <nospinzy> i changed where i put my wallet
 869 2013-05-18 14:36:05 <raad287> every bitcoin client is attached to a wallet file
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 872 2013-05-18 14:36:20 <raad287> and there is a small fee, not much, but a fee to send bitcoins
 873 2013-05-18 14:36:24 <nospinzy> its not in roaming anymore
 874 2013-05-18 14:36:31 <nospinzy> i know about the goddam fee
 875 2013-05-18 14:36:35 <nospinzy> what do you think i am an idiot
 876 2013-05-18 14:36:39 <raad287> rofl
 877 2013-05-18 14:36:46 <raad287> no i'm sure you know well more then i do lol
 878 2013-05-18 14:37:10 <nospinzy> :|
 879 2013-05-18 14:37:20 <raad287> the only experience I have with sending commands to the client directly, i've never sent that specific command
 880 2013-05-18 14:37:35 <raad287> just wallet status, never sending from one client to another
 881 2013-05-18 14:38:14 <raad287> i've interacted with it via sockets, and the command prompt, running another client against another client to shit out info
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 884 2013-05-18 14:38:41 <nospinzy> i didnt want to use this pos program to begin with
 885 2013-05-18 14:38:54 <nospinzy> but they are cracking down on sending small amounts of bitcoins to people
 886 2013-05-18 14:39:05 <nospinzy> so i had to use this pos client, over blockchains api
 887 2013-05-18 14:39:13 <raad287> it could be something in the network
 888 2013-05-18 14:39:32 <raad287> try using bitcoind
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 890 2013-05-18 14:39:50 <raad287> if your working with a specific websites api i have no idea what's going on lol
 891 2013-05-18 14:40:22 <nospinzy> i just send a small transaction without using syntax and it sent it, so my wallets ok
 892 2013-05-18 14:40:27 <nospinzy> idk
 893 2013-05-18 14:40:36 <nospinzy> brb
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 954 2013-05-18 16:22:32 <The_Fly> nice, i now have bitcoind going over rabbitmq
 955 2013-05-18 16:22:39 <The_Fly> via perl message-pass
 956 2013-05-18 16:23:08 <The_Fly> still using the ZMQ support, haven't yet bothered to write a rmq client into bitcoind
 957 2013-05-18 16:23:18 <The_Fly> and probably shouldn't bother (?)
 958 2013-05-18 16:23:37 <The_Fly> now just need to get multiwallet flushing the non-default wallets correctly
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 977 2013-05-18 16:58:21 <petertodd> BlueMatt: "killing decentralization" is far from obvious, and means different things to different people. I take the opinion that it *must* be possible to mine anonymously, Mike and Gavin do not. That's a huge gulf in opinion.
 978 2013-05-18 16:59:41 <petertodd> BlueMatt: Anyway, the consensus I speak of is simply that there is a trade-off, beyond that, one of my big points is we just do not know what the explicit technical tradeoffs are and we can't know. Bandwidth limitations aren't from technology, they're from what your local telcom monopoly thinks, and anonymous bandwidth limitations are even trickier.
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 980 2013-05-18 17:00:43 <petertodd> BlueMatt: Anyway, don't assume the only people who can do that stuff are here. I'm at the conf and have had a lot of success in talking to companies about implementing auditing for their services. That's the first step of testing this stuff, and those people aren't here.
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 997 2013-05-18 17:23:20 <BlueMatt> petertodd: it will always be possible to mine anonymously, even if the block size shoots up...keep in mind that the important part isnt the expense of running a full node, its the ratio of that expense compared to the expense required to do any real mining
 998 2013-05-18 17:23:30 <BlueMatt> petertodd: people who dont mine can wait 30 seconds for block verification
 999 2013-05-18 17:23:47 <BlueMatt> petertodd: great that you want to drive involvement, but that is not at all the way to do it
1000 2013-05-18 17:23:59 <BlueMatt> petertodd: what you did is literally just create a scare video
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1004 2013-05-18 17:32:44 <BlueMatt> petertodd: what does auditing companies that process btc have to do with implementing off-chain txn? off-chain txn requires software to handle it and groups willing to provide trust anchors
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1019 2013-05-18 17:58:26 <roconnor> @hoogle :->
1020 2013-05-18 17:58:31 <roconnor> oops
1021 2013-05-18 17:58:47 <amiller> whoops
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1024 2013-05-18 18:08:27 <grau> greetings from bitcoin2013
1025 2013-05-18 18:09:07 <grau> we are at booth 28
1026 2013-05-18 18:09:30 <grau> the bop presentation wen smooth lots if customer and investor interest :)
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1029 2013-05-18 18:13:25 <GeorgeJ> Hello folks
1030 2013-05-18 18:13:29 <GeorgeJ> In the block header, what's the merkle root?
1031 2013-05-18 18:13:33 <GeorgeJ> I read its a hash of the transactions, but, what transactions? Of the previous block?
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1036 2013-05-18 18:14:18 <jellosea> can someone explain why https://cointhink.com/arbitrage/btcusd only reports a potential profil of 3.379%
1037 2013-05-18 18:14:24 <kinlo> the transactions on the network are stored inside blocks, that's the main reason why blocks exists
1038 2013-05-18 18:14:45 <jellosea> the price difference is around 8% or more
1039 2013-05-18 18:14:50 <jellosea> between btc-e and mtgox
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1041 2013-05-18 18:15:47 <GeorgeJ> kinlo: I know what blocks are for.
1042 2013-05-18 18:16:02 <kinlo> GeorgeJ: then what's your question? :)
1043 2013-05-18 18:16:27 <kinlo> the merkle root is formed based on the transactions in the block...
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1045 2013-05-18 18:17:21 <GeorgeJ> Waht block? The block which has its hash computed?
1046 2013-05-18 18:17:33 <kinlo> jellosea: I don't think this is the best channel for those questions
1047 2013-05-18 18:17:43 <jellosea> where should i ask?
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1049 2013-05-18 18:18:10 <kinlo> GeorgeJ: a block contains transactions...  those transactions are hashed and the hashes are used to calculate the merkle root.  That merkle root is used in the header....
1050 2013-05-18 18:18:34 <GeorgeJ> Does this mean that blocks are read only once the hash has been computed for its header?
1051 2013-05-18 18:18:36 <kinlo> so if you have the block header, you know which transactions are inside the block, as you know their hashes
1052 2013-05-18 18:19:17 <kinlo> you cannot modify blocks yes, that's very important for the security of bitcoin
1053 2013-05-18 18:19:29 <kinlo> once a transaction is inside a block, it cannot be modified
1054 2013-05-18 18:19:53 <kinlo> so if I give you coins, and that transaction is in the blockchain, then everybody knows I spent it, so I cannot spend it again
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1056 2013-05-18 18:20:29 <daybyter> Hi kinlo!
1057 2013-05-18 18:20:41 <daybyter> Had time to look at the sources yet?
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1059 2013-05-18 18:20:51 <kinlo> eh, not yet :/
1060 2013-05-18 18:20:56 <kinlo> I'll do that right now
1061 2013-05-18 18:21:13 <GeorgeJ> Hmm. So, the transactions are added to newly-formed blocks(which do not yet have a hash). Once the block is hashed, the block is basically read-only. Correct?
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1064 2013-05-18 18:22:19 <kinlo> GeorgeJ: exactly.  That is very important from the security point of view, you shouldn't be able to undo transactions from the past
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1067 2013-05-18 18:25:26 <GeorgeJ> So, new transactions are basically allways kept in a temporary unhashed block, and are considered to be valid once the block is hashed, untill the end of time, unless the block was deemed to be an orphan. Correct?
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1070 2013-05-18 18:26:26 <kinlo> let's rephrase that with the correct wording: transactions are kept in the memory pool (rpc command getrawmemorypool)
1071 2013-05-18 18:26:45 <kinlo> all miners build a block (using rpc getblocktemplate) and hash that
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1073 2013-05-18 18:27:15 <kinlo> they keep modifying the block in small ways until the hash of the block changes into something that meets the network difficulty
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1075 2013-05-18 18:27:27 <kinlo> if so they distribute and build on top of that
1076 2013-05-18 18:27:38 <GeorgeJ> Yeah, i know how the hashing works.
1077 2013-05-18 18:27:41 <kinlo> and the longest chain of blocks is the chain that counts
1078 2013-05-18 18:28:16 <GeorgeJ> The transactions that are in the orphaned blocks, and that are not found in the longest chain, are added to the memory pool, correct?
1079 2013-05-18 18:28:16 <kinlo> orphan blocks don't really exist, pools just name those blocks wrong
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1082 2013-05-18 18:29:09 <kinlo> orphan means no parents, a block on a sidechain has a parent, and perhaps even children, it's just not on the longest chain
1083 2013-05-18 18:29:55 <GeorgeJ> Well, the wording on https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Block_chain is wrong then.
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1085 2013-05-18 18:31:20 <kinlo> yeah, let me see how I can adjust that
1086 2013-05-18 18:32:40 <GeorgeJ> kinlo: Thanks for the explenations!
1087 2013-05-18 18:32:45 <GeorgeJ> Cheers folks!
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1097 2013-05-18 18:40:01 <kinlo> GeorgeJ: I've edited the wiki page, feel free to re-read it and correct me if I made a mistake
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1100 2013-05-18 18:41:03 <GeorgeJ> Still, "These blocks on the shorter chains are often called "orphan" blocks. This is because the generation transactions do not have a parent block in the longest chain"
1101 2013-05-18 18:41:25 <GeorgeJ> Don't they actually lack children, and not a parent?
1102 2013-05-18 18:41:43 <kinlo> only the genesis block doesn't have a parent
1103 2013-05-18 18:41:51 <kinlo> parents are older then the children right ? :)
1104 2013-05-18 18:41:58 <kinlo> first the parent is born
1105 2013-05-18 18:42:00 <kinlo> then the children
1106 2013-05-18 18:42:10 <kinlo> as a block contains the hash of the previous block
1107 2013-05-18 18:42:15 <GeorgeJ> So the page is still wrong.
1108 2013-05-18 18:42:17 <kinlo> the previous block is the parent of the block
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1110 2013-05-18 18:42:35 <GeorgeJ> The blocks in the invalid chain do have parents.
1111 2013-05-18 18:43:00 <kinlo> yes indeed
1112 2013-05-18 18:43:12 <kinlo> which paragraph is wrong?
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1115 2013-05-18 18:43:57 <kinlo> also
1116 2013-05-18 18:44:12 <kinlo> perhaps I should not use the word invalid...
1117 2013-05-18 18:44:19 <kinlo> the blocks aren't invalid
1118 2013-05-18 18:44:32 <kinlo> they just lost the race to become the good blockchain
1119 2013-05-18 18:44:47 <kinlo> but they are valid by all other definitions
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1121 2013-05-18 18:46:40 <kinlo> if a block is truly invalid, the block would not be propagated trough the network
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1126 2013-05-18 18:53:10 <gonffen> kinlo: although confusing I'm pretty sure orphan is the most common term used
1127 2013-05-18 18:53:21 <gonffen> add a comma after confusing
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1138 2013-05-18 19:04:08 <BitKoot> Is there by any chance an administrator of the bitcoin wiki around?
1139 2013-05-18 19:04:56 <BitKoot> I've would like to fix a bug in the Real_world_shops page, but only someone with access to the files of the wiki could do it.
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1154 2013-05-18 19:30:52 <kinlo> gonffen: where do you see the word confusing?
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1158 2013-05-18 19:31:32 <gonffen> 14:28 < gonffen> kinlo: although confusing I'm pretty sure orphan is the most common term used
1159 2013-05-18 19:32:34 <kinlo> gonffen: you are not talking about the wiki?
1160 2013-05-18 19:32:57 <kinlo> gonffen: I agree that orphan is the most common term used, but nevertheless it is wrong :)
1161 2013-05-18 19:33:11 <gonffen> it is wrong to say rotors warp
1162 2013-05-18 19:33:22 <gonffen> but that is still the term used by professionals
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1164 2013-05-18 19:34:00 <kinlo> yeah, but the developers don't speak of orphan's
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1166 2013-05-18 19:34:07 <kinlo> only poolops and their users do :)
1167 2013-05-18 19:34:16 <gonffen> I believe you are mistaken
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1172 2013-05-18 19:34:59 <kinlo> regardless, the wiki is correct now, it mentions orphan blocks and tell you what they are, even if the name is wrong
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1174 2013-05-18 19:35:42 <copumpkin> omg a roconnor
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1208 2013-05-18 20:14:36 <petertodd> BlueMatt: you're talking about hashing anonymously, not mining. The anonymity matters in how you select what transactions to include in your block, which in turn is why you can make that choice free of regulation from authorities.
1209 2013-05-18 20:15:27 <petertodd> BlueMatt: re: trust, keep in mind that in Bitcoin itself you have to trust others with your coins, it's just that the group of people you trust is enormous and they have incentives to behave "honestly"
1210 2013-05-18 20:16:19 <petertodd> BlueMatt: off-chain methods like fidelity-bonded banking is all about creating similar incentives for people holding coins for third parties to behave honestly - the actual process of maintaining a ledger of accounts and balances is already done. (mtgox, silk road etc.)
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1213 2013-05-18 20:18:13 <petertodd> BlueMatt: you know, banks in the US number in the thousands. Yet I wouldn't for a second call that a decentralized system because every one of those banks is known to authorities and they follow regulations. Mining could easilly end up exactly the same.
1214 2013-05-18 20:18:45 <petertodd> BlueMatt: If you are ok with government mandated AML rules and stolen coin blacklists that Bitcoin miners have to follow, fine, but people need to understand that's the trade-off.
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1226 2013-05-18 20:30:11 <skinnkavaj> petertodd: please explain to me why you think the change of fee is bad
1227 2013-05-18 20:30:35 <skinnkavaj> gfawkes: what is bitdozer?
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1239 2013-05-18 20:37:39 <gfawkes> skinnkavaj - it is a windows phone app this is a remote bitcoin client... you use it to talk to a bitcoind you run in the cloud
1240 2013-05-18 20:38:09 <gfawkes> written in c# & silverlight for winpho
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1242 2013-05-18 20:41:54 <BlueMatt> petertodd: no, I was talking about running a full node and controlling the whole stack...
1243 2013-05-18 20:42:55 <BlueMatt> petertodd: oh for fucks sake
1244 2013-05-18 20:43:50 <BlueMatt> petertodd: seriously? if a) thats the world you think we live in and b) you think bitcoin is the solution to that and c) someone is going to have the power to take that away from you if you dont make goddamn propoganda scare videos and websites youre insane
1245 2013-05-18 20:47:17 <BlueMatt> actually I take that back, any one of those is insane, but them all together...
1246 2013-05-18 20:47:34 <skinnkavaj> BlueMatt: Everyone has the right to their opinion.
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1248 2013-05-18 20:49:40 <BlueMatt> I have no problem with petertodd believing whatever he wants, as long as he doesnt go around making scare propaganda to make it harder for developers to come to a reasonable decision on legitimate issues
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1250 2013-05-18 20:51:19 <BlueMatt> mostly the idea that if block size limit is increased we are moving towards coin blacklists for bitcoin...a) thats verifyably insane and b) it hurts everyone who is trying to make sane decisions that make bitcoin usable everyday...
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1255 2013-05-18 21:06:37 <owowo> http://instagram.com/p/ZdZKNKLgKa/#
1256 2013-05-18 21:07:25 <BlueMatt> :(
1257 2013-05-18 21:07:37 <gmaxwell> Whats that?
1258 2013-05-18 21:08:06 * BlueMatt takes a wild guess and says http://www.bitcoin2013.com/hackathon.html
1259 2013-05-18 21:08:16 <owowo> bitcoinconference2013
1260 2013-05-18 21:08:37 <gmaxwell> everyone is in the tech session room w/ security right now.
1261 2013-05-18 21:08:51 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: I'm sitting next to sergio right now.
1262 2013-05-18 21:09:05 <BlueMatt> ok, guess was way off
1263 2013-05-18 21:09:21 <warren> how many people showed up for the big keynotes?
1264 2013-05-18 21:09:37 <BlueMatt> well, while all of ya'll go listen to talks and get drunk in the evenings, Im gonna go churn out some useful code
1265 2013-05-18 21:09:37 <gmaxwell> lots.
1266 2013-05-18 21:09:44 <gmaxwell> The keynote thing was kinda weak.
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1273 2013-05-18 21:24:50 <kinlo> are there already video's available?
1274 2013-05-18 21:25:11 <MCM-Mike> also interested in video stream
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1276 2013-05-18 21:25:44 <sipa> dan kaminsky talking right now :)
1277 2013-05-18 21:25:57 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, ditto
1278 2013-05-18 21:28:02 <amiller> hrm, i want to see video of dakami's panel
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1280 2013-05-18 21:29:46 <sipa> zooko: also at the conference?
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1283 2013-05-18 21:30:35 <amiller> sipa, zooko's definitely at the conference
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1285 2013-05-18 21:31:15 <zooko> sipa: yep!
1286 2013-05-18 21:31:18 <amiller> i hope the zerocoin talk is good
1287 2013-05-18 21:31:26 <zooko> sipa: I've been tweeting about it: https://twitter.com/zooko
1288 2013-05-18 21:31:36 <zooko> It is a lightning talk. I hope I haven't already missed it...
1289 2013-05-18 21:32:31 <amiller> matthew green's crypto phd student who wrote zerocoin is pretty cool
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1291 2013-05-18 21:32:45 <amiller> i'd like to encourage him to stick around and do more :3
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1294 2013-05-18 21:36:00 <zooko> Oh yeah, I'm supposed to meet him... Thanks for the reminder...
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1323 2013-05-18 22:01:08 <jrmithdobbs>  gmaxwell: having fun yet?
1324 2013-05-18 22:02:08 <jrmithdobbs> Was hoping to come grab a drink at least but torn tendon == no
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1327 2013-05-18 22:03:08 <sdobz> I'm running a bitcoin (+litecoin + etc ete) daemon, is there a good way to synchronize it's transactions with a database?
1328 2013-05-18 22:03:23 <sdobz> listtransactions is unhelpful
1329 2013-05-18 22:03:32 * ne0futur looking for any rss feeds ( blogs or not ) giving news of the conference
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1337 2013-05-18 22:07:52 <donpdonp> sdobz: my bitcoind wrapper syncs transactions to sqlite3. github.com/cointhink/cointainer
1338 2013-05-18 22:08:10 <sdobz> Thanks, I'll look it over.
1339 2013-05-18 22:08:33 <sdobz> Does it support litecoin?
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1343 2013-05-18 22:11:14 <donpdonp> sdobz: i havent tried, but litecoind works the same way so i would expect it does
1344 2013-05-18 22:11:35 <donpdonp> (same json-rpc api, as far as i know)
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1347 2013-05-18 22:12:26 <gonffen> litecoind doesn't implement some of the api
1348 2013-05-18 22:12:46 <gonffen> I believe the litecoin wiki shows the differences
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1358 2013-05-18 22:17:16 <sdobz> donpdonp: listsinceblock is what I needed. It doesn't track internal moves, but I can do that whenever I initiate one.
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1360 2013-05-18 22:18:57 <sdobz> thanks.
1361 2013-05-18 22:21:21 <super3> so what did i miss?
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1363 2013-05-18 22:26:22 <EPiSKiNG-> I just sent some BTC from my QT wallet
1364 2013-05-18 22:26:28 <EPiSKiNG-> and it's not showing unconfirmed in the blockchain
1365 2013-05-18 22:26:32 <EPiSKiNG-> it's been about 25 minutes
1366 2013-05-18 22:26:45 <EPiSKiNG-> is there anything I can do to speed it up?
1367 2013-05-18 22:27:42 <super3> EPiSKiNG-, no
1368 2013-05-18 22:28:01 <super3> EPiSKiNG-, takes 60 minutes to confirm
1369 2013-05-18 22:28:15 <super3> or at least 6 confirmations, at 10 minutes a block
1370 2013-05-18 22:28:33 <super3> if you want something faster use a coin with faster block time
1371 2013-05-18 22:28:53 <EPiSKiNG-> ...
1372 2013-05-18 22:29:03 <EPiSKiNG-> it's not showing as Unconfirmed
1373 2013-05-18 22:29:11 <EPiSKiNG-> IE it's not showing as broadcasted
1374 2013-05-18 22:29:18 <super3> well check your connection then
1375 2013-05-18 22:29:33 <EPiSKiNG-> wallet shows that it's been deducted
1376 2013-05-18 22:29:40 <EPiSKiNG-> do I need to "rebroadcast" it?
1377 2013-05-18 22:29:49 <super3> if its not showing up at broadcast it may not have actually been sent yet
1378 2013-05-18 22:30:05 <EPiSKiNG-> but my QT client shows it as sent
1379 2013-05-18 22:30:16 <EPiSKiNG-> generated a TX id
1380 2013-05-18 22:30:22 <super3> then you should be ok
1381 2013-05-18 22:30:45 <EPiSKiNG-> ok... but I've never sent coins before and NOT had it show up as unconfirmed within like 10 seconds
1382 2013-05-18 22:30:50 <EPiSKiNG-> and it's been like 30 minutes now
1383 2013-05-18 22:31:25 <super3> EPiSKiNG-, wait is your chain synced?
1384 2013-05-18 22:32:06 <EPiSKiNG-> yes
1385 2013-05-18 22:32:27 <BlueMatt> a txid is generated locally so that has nothing to do with sent or not
1386 2013-05-18 22:32:35 <BlueMatt> its a question of whether or not your client had connections at the time
1387 2013-05-18 22:32:42 <BlueMatt> (if it didnt it will resend later)
1388 2013-05-18 22:32:55 <EPiSKiNG-> so how do i manually tell it to resend?
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1391 2013-05-18 22:33:28 <super3> EPiSKiNG-, go into the debug console and type 'getinfo'
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1393 2013-05-18 22:35:42 <super3> EPiSKiNG-, there it should tell you the number of connections you have, if any at all
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1399 2013-05-18 22:41:00 <super3> BlueMatt, how long does a pull request normally take if its not controversial at all?
1400 2013-05-18 22:41:34 <BlueMatt> we have serious problems with review bandwidth...not enough reviewers
1401 2013-05-18 22:41:40 <BlueMatt> so...it varies wildly
1402 2013-05-18 22:42:55 <super3> i cleaned up the /docs a bit, kinda trying to get my feet wet and see where i can help out
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1404 2013-05-18 22:43:11 <sipa> super3: looking at it now
1405 2013-05-18 22:43:54 <super3> sipa, thanks. basically just markdowned the stuff. i mean it is on github
1406 2013-05-18 22:44:09 <super3> some of it was just minor changes, but other pages are actually readable now
1407 2013-05-18 22:44:29 <sipa> the coding.txt stuff is outdated, but fixing that falls outside of the scope of a formatting change pullreq
1408 2013-05-18 22:45:15 <super3> my first priority was just formatting, next ill try to go throught this stuff any try to improve it
1409 2013-05-18 22:48:31 <EPiSKiNG-> it's showing 8 connections
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1411 2013-05-18 22:48:50 <EPiSKiNG-> and still not showing up in blockchain
1412 2013-05-18 22:48:54 <EPiSKiNG-> just rebooted the computer too
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1417 2013-05-18 22:52:13 <super3> sipa, thanks for taking a look
1418 2013-05-18 22:52:32 <EPiSKiNG-> so..  no idea why the transaction isn't showing in the chain yet?
1419 2013-05-18 22:52:33 <super3> sipa, whats outdated and needs fixing?
1420 2013-05-18 22:52:43 <EPiSKiNG-> or anything I can do to make it re-send?
1421 2013-05-18 22:52:54 <super3> sipa, i was thinking of starting to clean up the build docs first
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1423 2013-05-18 22:54:08 <sipa> EPiSKiNG-: it gets rebroadcast automatically
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1425 2013-05-18 22:54:18 <sipa> every 15-30 minutes, as longas it isn't confirmed
1426 2013-05-18 22:55:49 <ne0futur> EPiSKiNG-: perhaps try another block explorer in case blockchain would be stuck ?
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1428 2013-05-18 22:56:17 <sipa> EPiSKiNG-: what is the txid?
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1433 2013-05-18 23:02:07 <gmaxwell> jrmithdobbs: coward. :P
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1445 2013-05-18 23:13:14 <EPiSKiNG-> sipa: one moment
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1447 2013-05-18 23:13:41 <EPiSKiNG-> 0631a86c1484a2f547564f87ed37d800bca582a33ef84447505ec0c199bd42bd
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1452 2013-05-18 23:18:55 <jouke> My node hasn't seen it
1453 2013-05-18 23:19:31 <Cusipzzz> i don't have it either
1454 2013-05-18 23:19:51 <EPiSKiNG-> weird
1455 2013-05-18 23:19:54 <Cusipzzz> how many connections on getinfo ?
1456 2013-05-18 23:19:59 <EPiSKiNG-> 8connections
1457 2013-05-18 23:20:13 <EPiSKiNG-> i just sent 0.01 TO the bitcoin-qt that i sent from
1458 2013-05-18 23:20:19 <EPiSKiNG-> and i show it in blockchain
1459 2013-05-18 23:20:26 <EPiSKiNG-> but bitcoin-qt doesn't show it yet
1460 2013-05-18 23:20:29 <Cusipzzz> maybe someone is isolating you O.o
1461 2013-05-18 23:20:31 <EPiSKiNG-> (did that make sense)?
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1463 2013-05-18 23:20:52 <jouke> is it fully synced?
1464 2013-05-18 23:20:55 <EPiSKiNG-> yes
1465 2013-05-18 23:21:09 <Cusipzzz> connect to different nodes
1466 2013-05-18 23:21:21 <EPiSKiNG-> how do i do that?
1467 2013-05-18 23:21:46 <jouke> 236823 is the block height I am at
1468 2013-05-18 23:22:02 <Cusipzzz> on QT? restart i guess. on bitcoind you can specify by IP
1469 2013-05-18 23:22:15 <EPiSKiNG-> wonder if QT debug window will allow it
1470 2013-05-18 23:22:34 <Cusipzzz> i'm not up on QT, should be able to specify node to connect to
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1475 2013-05-18 23:24:33 <EPiSKiNG-> i'm going to the hackathon and asking them
1476 2013-05-18 23:24:41 <EPiSKiNG-> i mean, all of the bitcoin world is at my fingertips
1477 2013-05-18 23:24:42 <EPiSKiNG-> lol
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1482 2013-05-18 23:26:38 <Cusipzzz> lol, gl
1483 2013-05-18 23:27:47 <EPiSKiNG-> thx
1484 2013-05-18 23:32:09 <gmaxwell> hm. wtf. I thought I commented on pull 2658 and see no comment now.
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1494 2013-05-18 23:46:23 <skinnkavaj> http://mtgoxlive.com <- is this site free from virus?
1495 2013-05-18 23:50:32 <skinnkavaj> gmaxwell: whats happening on the conference? keep us updated
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1501 2013-05-18 23:57:28 <goodbtc> i am no expert, but can this be used to steal btc from android devices? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2233852
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1506 2013-05-18 23:58:19 <goodbtc> Root Nexus 7 without unlocking bootloader, this sound scary
1507 2013-05-18 23:58:40 <phantomcircuit> goodbtc, that's a local privilege escalation exploit
1508 2013-05-18 23:59:11 <phantomcircuit> in general i would suggest not havingbtc on your phone unless you 100% trust every single app you've ever installed
1509 2013-05-18 23:59:17 <phantomcircuit> which pretty much is everybody
1510 2013-05-18 23:59:36 <gmaxwell> I propose that zooko does not actually exist.
1511 2013-05-18 23:59:57 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, wat
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