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18 2013-06-15 00:15:49 <TheLordOfTime> i have multiple addresses here in my wallet, how can i dump all the privkeys at once (in bitcoin-qt)
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21 2013-06-15 00:18:30 <toffoo> i've gotten LevelDB corruption 6 times now with bitcoin-qt 0.8.2 Mac version ...
22 2013-06-15 00:18:50 <toffoo> pondering downgrading to 0.7.2 for the third time now
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24 2013-06-15 00:19:24 <TheLordOfTime> by rumor only, i wouldn't downgrade to 0.7.2 because there'll be issues with processing the chain
25 2013-06-15 00:19:37 <toffoo> there's a workaround
26 2013-06-15 00:19:51 <toffoo> it still works fine if you do the workaround
27 2013-06-15 00:21:25 <gmaxwell> toffoo: Which issue is yours?
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32 2013-06-15 00:21:54 <gmaxwell> petertodd: didn't someone (you?) timestamp all the pgp keys on one of the keyservers?
33 2013-06-15 00:22:17 <toffoo> gmaxwell "LevelDB read failure: Corruption: block checksum mismatch"
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36 2013-06-15 00:22:45 <gmaxwell> petertodd: there was some discussion on hacker news about the potential trustworthyness of pgp keys claiming to belong to snowden. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5883175
37 2013-06-15 00:22:57 <gmaxwell> toffoo: You haven't reported this in the issue tracker?
38 2013-06-15 00:23:17 <TheLordOfTime> is there a way to extract all the privkeys in a wallet.dat file assuming it's decrupted?
39 2013-06-15 00:23:20 <TheLordOfTime> decrypted*
40 2013-06-15 00:23:29 <gmaxwell> toffoo: in any case, that checksum mismatch means that the actual data written to disk is corrupted. It may be the case that you were also getting corruption with the old software but since there was no error checking it was undetected.
41 2013-06-15 00:23:37 <gmaxwell> TheLordOfTime: at once? no.
42 2013-06-15 00:23:51 <sipa> TheLordOfTime: there's a pullrequest to do so
43 2013-06-15 00:23:54 <TheLordOfTime> gmaxwell: bleh, the main issue is all these damn satoshi dice payouts that showed at random addresses >.<
44 2013-06-15 00:24:04 <TheLordOfTime> sipa: yeah, any ETA on that becoming available?
45 2013-06-15 00:24:10 <sipa> 0.9 maybe
46 2013-06-15 00:24:16 <sipa> ETA: when it's ready
47 2013-06-15 00:24:28 <TheLordOfTime> i've got my main keys but meh
48 2013-06-15 00:24:37 <sipa> if you can compile from source, it's easy
49 2013-06-15 00:24:43 <gmaxwell> TheLordOfTime: why not make a transaction consolidating your whole wallet into a new address?
50 2013-06-15 00:24:46 <TheLordOfTime> kinda hard on a windows system
51 2013-06-15 00:24:49 <TheLordOfTime> gmaxwell: E: Broken NIC
52 2013-06-15 00:24:55 <TheLordOfTime> no network connection
53 2013-06-15 00:24:55 <toffoo> gmaxwell I don't have a github accnt. I saw the issues were reported with 0.8.1 and supposedly fixed/closed in 0.8.2, and now it looks like 0.8.2 is listed with no known issues.
54 2013-06-15 00:25:24 <TheLordOfTime> sipa: is that pull request included in git trunk or something
55 2013-06-15 00:25:28 <gmaxwell> toffoo: creating a github account just takes typing in a username, it doesn't even email confirm.
56 2013-06-15 00:25:30 <TheLordOfTime> or PendingMerge
57 2013-06-15 00:25:31 <TheLordOfTime> ?
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59 2013-06-15 00:25:45 <sipa> TheLordOfTime: no it's a pull request; if it was pulled, it wouldn't be a request anymore :)
60 2013-06-15 00:25:52 <TheLordOfTime> heh
61 2013-06-15 00:25:56 <TheLordOfTime> sipa: you never know ;)
62 2013-06-15 00:26:02 <TheLordOfTime> still.
63 2013-06-15 00:26:21 <gmaxwell> toffoo: in any case, I'm not aware of any current corruption issues. Unfortunately, people (like you!!) don't report them reliably, so I can't tell you with any confidence that none exist.
64 2013-06-15 00:26:28 <TheLordOfTime> i've got at least 0.005 btc in the damn dice transactions, so... *shrugs*
65 2013-06-15 00:26:33 <gmaxwell> I do know that its reliable on linux.
66 2013-06-15 00:26:58 <TheLordOfTime> sipa: another question. is it possible to store the blockchain as fully downloaded on one bitcoin-qt client, say on linux, and import it into a windows bitcoin-qt client of the same version?
67 2013-06-15 00:27:02 <TheLordOfTime> if so, what needs copying?
68 2013-06-15 00:27:07 <toffoo> gmaxwell I've never reported a bitcoin-qt problem because I never had one until I updated to 0.8
69 2013-06-15 00:27:11 <TheLordOfTime> (so that I don't have to download 10GB again)
70 2013-06-15 00:27:12 <gmaxwell> TheLordOfTime: technically you could make a transaction while offline, and then open the debug console, getrawtransaction on it, save the output to a file, and then carry that on a usb stick to the network.
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72 2013-06-15 00:27:42 <TheLordOfTime> gmaxwell: i looked into that the total transaction fee for that would be more than the total sum of the funds availabe
73 2013-06-15 00:27:48 <sipa> TheLordOfTime: sure, copy the block files
74 2013-06-15 00:27:50 <TheLordOfTime> at least, according to -qt
75 2013-06-15 00:27:53 <gmaxwell> TheLordOfTime: but thats only an option if that system is aware of the txn.
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77 2013-06-15 00:28:04 <sipa> TheLordOfTime: the blocks/ subdir
78 2013-06-15 00:28:04 <TheLordOfTime> sipa: location on a linux drive? ~/.bitcoin/[whatelse]
79 2013-06-15 00:28:11 <TheLordOfTime> sipa: ah, so ~/.bitcoin/blocks/*
80 2013-06-15 00:28:12 <TheLordOfTime> ?
81 2013-06-15 00:28:22 <sipa> even just ~/.bitcoin/blocks/blk*.dat
82 2013-06-15 00:28:26 <gmaxwell> TheLordOfTime: oh, well, if you have dust transactions it's not unusal for them to cost more to redeem than they're worth.... but there isn't much you can do about that. :( They'll still cost more to redeem than they're worth if you split them up.
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84 2013-06-15 00:28:39 <TheLordOfTime> gmaxwell: true, because dust tx fees
85 2013-06-15 00:28:48 <TheLordOfTime> some of these are 0.02 coin each though *shrugs*
86 2013-06-15 00:28:49 <TheLordOfTime> ah well
87 2013-06-15 00:29:00 <TheLordOfTime> i'll take my main ones and deal with the remnamt 0.005 later
88 2013-06-15 00:29:12 <gmaxwell> TheLordOfTime: has nothing to do with "dust tx fees" â once your outputs are >0.01 thats a non-issue. It's just the space it takes to redeem them.
89 2013-06-15 00:29:22 <TheLordOfTime> gmaxwell: as i said, i'll deal with the remnants later
90 2013-06-15 00:29:37 <gmaxwell> seperating them makes it harder.
91 2013-06-15 00:29:39 <TheLordOfTime> my main concern is the 0.13 that is in the 5 main addresses :P
92 2013-06-15 00:29:50 <TheLordOfTime> and i pulled those privkeys already
93 2013-06-15 00:29:56 <gmaxwell> e.g. you'll _never_ be able to spend the "remnamts" alone.
94 2013-06-15 00:30:07 <gmaxwell> (well never is a long time, but certantly not anytime soon)
95 2013-06-15 00:30:29 <gmaxwell> you can like jointly spend some of the remnamt with your existing non-dust coins.
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98 2013-06-15 00:34:59 <TheLordOfTime> gmaxwell: if i copy the chain from a 0.8.2 client to a 0.8.1 client will it still recognize the chain?
99 2013-06-15 00:35:48 <sipa> yes
100 2013-06-15 00:36:02 <toffoo> ok gmaxwell github accnt created, any tips for a first timer to make a good first issue report?
101 2013-06-15 00:36:09 <TheLordOfTime> awesome so i can see what bullcrap has happened to these wallets since the NIC died xD
102 2013-06-15 00:36:12 <TheLordOfTime> s/wallets/addresses/
103 2013-06-15 00:36:46 <TheLordOfTime> i know for a fact the 5 main addresses have just had their contents dumped into my other wallet, but... :P
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105 2013-06-15 00:37:12 <gmaxwell> toffoo: give as many details about your system as you can, anything you know about the sequence of events before the problem.
106 2013-06-15 00:37:35 <toffoo> ok thanks here goes ...
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114 2013-06-15 00:48:40 <warren> gmaxwell: fyi, TheUni added a workaround for the broken boost in Fedora 18
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120 2013-06-15 00:54:39 <gmaxwell> warren: what is the workaround?
121 2013-06-15 00:55:40 <warren> gmaxwell: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2766
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132 2013-06-15 01:09:38 <TheLordOfTime> gmaxwell: i was able to find someone willing to pay the 0.0003 it would take to dump the dust into one address, so all's well now that i have my satoshi winnings recovered.
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169 2013-06-15 02:16:55 <super3> hey
170 2013-06-15 02:20:11 <super3> just submitted a pull request. any feedback would be nice: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2771
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187 2013-06-15 02:42:32 <Luke-Jr> super3: dunno, I prefer the older form for at least some of it..
188 2013-06-15 02:42:51 <Luke-Jr> but I (and most people?) don't view as markup, just plain text
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208 2013-06-15 03:08:43 <super3> Luke-Jr, yeah that might make you a little biased. markdown works pretty well in plaintext too though
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212 2013-06-15 03:10:58 <Luke-Jr> super3: I'd prefer man markup :P
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214 2013-06-15 03:11:53 <super3> Luke-Jr, http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/6590021/img/Meme/So-Hardcore.jpg
215 2013-06-15 03:12:15 <super3> Luke-Jr, he he
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217 2013-06-15 03:12:41 <super3> there is nothing wrong with that, but I think the docs needs to be readable to the average person browsing github
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219 2013-06-15 03:17:32 <Luke-Jr> why would the average person be browsing github, instead of opening the text file on their own PC?
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229 2013-06-15 03:40:48 <super3> i always look at docs in browser
230 2013-06-15 03:41:00 <super3> its usually right along with my google searches
231 2013-06-15 03:42:35 <sipa> i sometimes use github too for browsing the source, when i'm not at my own computer
232 2013-06-15 03:42:58 <super3> either way the whole purpose of markdown is "readable as-is, without out looking like it's been marked up with tags or formatting instructions"
233 2013-06-15 03:43:55 <super3> which is why i dislike reStructuredText so much
234 2013-06-15 03:48:04 <warren> has anyone documented how to create your own testnet in a box?
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260 2013-06-15 04:32:56 <super3> warren, if you can't find it on bitcointalk it probably doesn't exsist
261 2013-06-15 04:34:45 <super3> warren, what are you trying to do?
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265 2013-06-15 04:38:04 <warren> super3: create a new testnet between two nodes with PoW check disabled
266 2013-06-15 04:40:04 <super3> yeah thats very specific. i don't think that has been done much less someone write documentation about it
267 2013-06-15 04:41:52 <super3> id say use the regular testnet and be happy :-P
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278 2013-06-15 05:15:44 <Luke-Jr> warren: TNIAB is nothing special
279 2013-06-15 05:16:06 <Luke-Jr> warren: it's just two nodes with -connect to each other on non-standard ports
280 2013-06-15 05:16:32 <warren> ah, because -connect= avoids other nodes entirely
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306 2013-06-15 06:15:06 <petertodd> gmaxwell: that was jdillon raising trouble...
307 2013-06-15 06:15:56 <petertodd> gmaxwell: note that he only timestamped the *fingerprints*, which aren't linked to the actual identities unfortunately, so it doesn't quite work
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309 2013-06-15 06:18:49 <gmaxwell> petertodd: hm? the fingerprints include the username/timestamp.
310 2013-06-15 06:19:31 <petertodd> gmaxwell: nope, fingerprints are just the SHA1 hash of the primary key
311 2013-06-15 06:19:55 <petertodd> gmaxwell: basically, given a primary key from the past, I can create a set of valid looking user ids
312 2013-06-15 06:20:31 <gmaxwell> To make the fingerprint match you actually have to have the UID and timestamp matching. (I promise!)
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316 2013-06-15 06:22:00 <petertodd> gmaxwell: RFC4880 12.2 "Key IDs and Fingerprints": "A V4 fingerprint is the 160-bit SHA-1 hash of the octet 0x99, followed by the two-octet packet length, followed by the entire Public-Key packet starting with the version field. The Key ID is the low-order 64 bits of the fingerprint. Here are the fields of the hash material, with the example of a DSA key:
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318 2013-06-15 06:22:19 <petertodd> Every one of the fields is key material, not user id.
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321 2013-06-15 06:29:26 <petertodd> In any case, the Wired message is only known to be encrypted to keyid 0x50917466b18f35b3f644f7001d0d97f22be0bc29, which isn't in the WoT strong set and wasn't timestamped.
322 2013-06-15 06:31:59 <gmaxwell> petertodd: it must be different for different address types, because I know when reconstructing a key from a factored key I had to exactly match the UID/timestamp to get the same id.
323 2013-06-15 06:32:29 <petertodd> gmaxwell: the *timestamp* is part of the hash, but the UID isn't
324 2013-06-15 06:32:57 <gmaxwell> I ... wouldn't have thought to not match that. wtf pgp.
325 2013-06-15 06:33:22 <petertodd> gmaxwell: No PGP version has ever included UID's in fingerprints unfortunately. Though for the trust model of PGP that makes sense really, it just doesn't work for timestamping.
326 2013-06-15 06:33:45 <petertodd> gmaxwell: After all, changing your UID *is* a valid thing to do.
327 2013-06-15 06:33:51 <gmaxwell> yea, okay but why include the timestamp?
328 2013-06-15 06:34:20 <petertodd> Yeah, I'll admit the timesamp thing is odd... PGP has a lot of timestamps that do fuck all.
329 2013-06-15 06:34:21 <gmaxwell> (doing that makes it cheap-er to search for partial collissions, so its the worst of all worlds! :) )
330 2013-06-15 06:34:45 <petertodd> Heh, that's a very good point...
331 2013-06-15 06:34:49 <gmaxwell> (not that it would really be expensive in the first place, since you if you're trying to get a collission you likely don't care if the key is strong)
332 2013-06-15 06:35:15 <petertodd> Oh I dunno, I'd want my compromised communications to be strong against other blackhats. :P
333 2013-06-15 06:35:33 <gmaxwell> you can still increment the modulus.
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335 2013-06-15 06:36:51 <petertodd> In any case, ask nicely and I'm sure jdillon would happily add another 200k UTXO's to timestamp all the UIDs too...
336 2013-06-15 06:37:58 <gmaxwell> doh.
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338 2013-06-15 06:38:51 <petertodd> reminds me, did you ever see 1MBGavinWuiJCF6thGfEriB2WhDD5nhB2a?
339 2013-06-15 06:39:06 <gmaxwell> No.
340 2013-06-15 06:39:48 <petertodd> Seems that the guy who gave me $150 to turn my timestamper back on got pissed off and is now using UTXO's again for timestamping... with an extra one thrown in for politics.
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364 2013-06-15 07:20:39 <bitRippe1X> anyone know how the reddit bitcoin bot handles creating multiple wallets and how they handle authentication on the back end?
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544 2013-06-15 13:03:21 <Mason-B> I was doing some datamining on the block chain and I found some inconsistencies
545 2013-06-15 13:04:47 <Mason-B> It appears that there are some missing bitcoins
546 2013-06-15 13:05:06 <Mason-B> almost 10 to be exact
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548 2013-06-15 13:05:43 <sydna> do show.
549 2013-06-15 13:06:08 <Mason-B> Here let me push what I have to github
550 2013-06-15 13:06:18 <Mason-B> and let me find some of the bad blocks
551 2013-06-15 13:06:56 <Mason-B> I want to preface this by saying I think I have a bug in my code
552 2013-06-15 13:07:14 <Mason-B> but wanted to check to see if you guys might now what I'm talking about first
553 2013-06-15 13:08:10 <sydna> I'm not by any means a core developer, but it's always interesting to read other people's code. I'm sure someone else will chip in too.
554 2013-06-15 13:08:54 <Mason-B> I take that back, the inconsistencies seem to amount to more than 60 bitcoins
555 2013-06-15 13:09:07 <Mason-B> I thought it was actually my forgetting to remove satoshis block at first
556 2013-06-15 13:09:29 <sydna> are you assuming that every coinbase contains the maximum block reward?
557 2013-06-15 13:09:37 <sydna> (you can't assume that they do0
558 2013-06-15 13:10:52 <Mason-B> could you clarify?
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560 2013-06-15 13:11:12 <sydna> I'm completely guessing with this one.
561 2013-06-15 13:11:33 <Mason-B> I asumme that the first 210000 blocks rewards 50 btc + fees
562 2013-06-15 13:11:39 <sydna> ah, you can't.
563 2013-06-15 13:11:44 <Mason-B> why?
564 2013-06-15 13:12:08 <sydna> the generator of the block could set some arbitrary amount under 50, and it would still be a valid block
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566 2013-06-15 13:12:47 <sydna> there's quite a number of blocks that contain less than the expected reward, though I don't have a list handy
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568 2013-06-15 13:13:09 <Mason-B> well thats
569 2013-06-15 13:13:11 <Mason-B> ...
570 2013-06-15 13:13:13 <Mason-B> wierd
571 2013-06-15 13:13:31 <Mason-B> but this is the opposit scenario
572 2013-06-15 13:13:55 <Mason-B> or
573 2013-06-15 13:13:59 <Mason-B> hmm
574 2013-06-15 13:14:02 <Mason-B> it might not be
575 2013-06-15 13:14:06 <Mason-B> one sec
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577 2013-06-15 13:16:33 <Mason-B> it takes me a couple minutes to rewalk the chain
578 2013-06-15 13:18:15 <sydna> I'd work out the first block with a < 50 reward, but I don't have a copy of the blockchian locally
579 2013-06-15 13:18:49 <Mason-B> I filtered out ones with negative inconsistencies
580 2013-06-15 13:19:23 <Mason-B> the positive inconsistencies represent fees that were not paid by the incoming transactions but that the miner claimed
581 2013-06-15 13:21:15 <Mason-B> block-height 2818 has this inconsistency
582 2013-06-15 13:21:26 <Mason-B> http://blockchain.info/block-index/4370/00000000d50a3cd05e451166e5f618c76cc3273104608fe424835ae5c0d47db9
583 2013-06-15 13:21:36 <Mason-B> (actually 2817, since I 1 index them)
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585 2013-06-15 13:22:16 <Mason-B> accorind to my software it does, I am still trying to verify with that site
586 2013-06-15 13:22:37 <sydna> I think I'm being thick, but I'm not seeing anything out of place in that case
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590 2013-06-15 13:23:41 <sipa> Mason-B: known fact
591 2013-06-15 13:24:04 <Mason-B> so there are known blocks that make money up?
592 2013-06-15 13:24:09 <sydna> ^ now you'll get better answers
593 2013-06-15 13:24:10 <Mason-B> above the reward?
594 2013-06-15 13:24:19 <sipa> above? :o
595 2013-06-15 13:24:23 <sipa> no, below
596 2013-06-15 13:24:38 <sipa> there is an gettxoutsetinfo RPC command in recent bitcoind versions
597 2013-06-15 13:24:52 <sipa> and it lists the sum of all unspent outputs in the chain
598 2013-06-15 13:25:17 <sipa> the result is something like 100-150 BTC below what you'd expect, iirc
599 2013-06-15 13:25:31 <Mason-B> Yea I'm gettign that
600 2013-06-15 13:25:35 <sipa> part of it is due to thr genesis blocks output not being spendable
601 2013-06-15 13:25:56 <sipa> part of it is duplicate coinbase transactions (there have been one or two)
602 2013-06-15 13:26:17 <sipa> and then there were random bugs were miners failed to claim all fees they could
603 2013-06-15 13:27:47 <Mason-B> well my problem seems to be extra bitcoins, fees claimed by miners that wern't fully covered
604 2013-06-15 13:28:05 <Mason-B> by the transactions in the block
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606 2013-06-15 13:28:43 <sipa> that seems very unlikely
607 2013-06-15 13:28:50 <sipa> can you give an example?
608 2013-06-15 13:29:24 <Mason-B> I'm having trouble finding a good way to validate this, I need a place I can view the actual incoming outpoint instead of just the address
609 2013-06-15 13:29:41 <Mason-B> the block at height 2817 seems to exhibt this property
610 2013-06-15 13:29:51 <Mason-B> (I still think I have a bug in my code)
611 2013-06-15 13:30:06 <sipa> if you have your bitcoind with -txindex=1 you can look up arbitrary transactions using getrawtransaction
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613 2013-06-15 13:30:59 <sipa> except the genesis
614 2013-06-15 13:31:06 <sydna> I don't see anything /wrong/ with the block 00000000d50a3cd05e451166e5f618c76cc3273104608fe424835ae5c0d47db9 personally
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616 2013-06-15 13:31:47 <Mason-B> do all the incoming outpoints cover the fees and outputs?
617 2013-06-15 13:32:07 <Mason-B> I'm reading bitcoind's documentation now :p
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632 2013-06-15 13:43:05 <Mason-B> I can't seem to get bitcoind to take my block hash
633 2013-06-15 13:43:20 <Mason-B> bitcoind getblock 00000000d50a3cd05e451166e5f618c76cc3273104608fe424835ae5c0d47db9
634 2013-06-15 13:43:30 <Mason-B> doesn't seem to work
635 2013-06-15 13:44:23 <sipa> are you synced up?
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637 2013-06-15 13:45:22 <Mason-B> I believe so...
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639 2013-06-15 13:45:36 <Mason-B> how would I check?
640 2013-06-15 13:46:10 <sipa> getinfo
641 2013-06-15 13:46:35 <sipa> what height is that block? sure the hash is correct?
642 2013-06-15 13:46:42 <sipa> and that it's in the main chain
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644 2013-06-15 13:47:34 <kork> https://blockchain.info/tx/f322851970f8289e3593747c83a2cb4f27f89aaf8421143cca40d00f13f42a6a this is interesting, I sent 4.8 and 0.2 to the *same* address (1AAMwLpDc41967Nvr8d9CUVJuu4FhCeaiQ), yet 0.2 went to 19qB63tP7jSpHW3VdVo75LusisncN7B1yK, of which I know nothing
645 2013-06-15 13:47:46 <Mason-B> What would getinfo tell me if it wasn't sync'd
646 2013-06-15 13:48:23 <sydna> kork: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Change
647 2013-06-15 13:48:59 <sydna> Mason-B: well, you'd have less than 241664 blocks.
648 2013-06-15 13:49:29 <Mason-B> ahh
649 2013-06-15 13:49:33 <Mason-B> well I have 0
650 2013-06-15 13:49:48 <sydna> .. so you've never synched.
651 2013-06-15 13:49:49 <Mason-B> , but I have three copies of the block chain downloaded by the bitcoin client
652 2013-06-15 13:50:02 <Mason-B> so how do I get ti to find them >.>
653 2013-06-15 13:50:24 <Mason-B> I've never run bitcoind
654 2013-06-15 13:50:29 <kork> sydna: aah, I see. and I don't have the 19qB63tP7jSpHW3VdVo75LusisncN7B1yK private key in my wallet because it was created from recovered private keys. well, guess I destroyed those 0.2 BTC then
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656 2013-06-15 13:50:56 <sydna> you can manually set a bitcoin/ directory with -blockdir or something like that
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658 2013-06-15 13:51:09 <sydna> kork: probably not. the change addresses are hidden from view in most clients.
659 2013-06-15 13:51:25 <sydna> kork: it wouldn't have been sent to the change address if it didn't exist in the wallet.
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662 2013-06-15 13:52:57 <kork> sydna: oh, ok. my client believes it has sent the 0.2 to 1AAMwLpDc41967Nvr8d9CUVJuu4FhCeaiQ, too, but the transaction id of that 0.2 btc transaction can't be found on blockchain.info. guess I'll just have to wait?!
663 2013-06-15 13:54:14 <sydna> I've no idea. it sounds like you're doing something odd.
664 2013-06-15 13:54:20 <sydna> you certainly haven't lost the money though.
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667 2013-06-15 13:55:10 <sipa> kork: how do you tell the client believes it sent to 1AAMwL?
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669 2013-06-15 13:56:27 <kork> sipa: when I double click the transaction, I get this: http://dark-code.bulix.org/dk8uvs-83749
670 2013-06-15 13:58:08 <kork> for clarification, I used makomk's recovery tool to extract the private keys from a raw partition; it says on the forum "The recovered wallet does not contain a pool of spare keys to send change to (the old ones should get recovered but aren't marked as such)."
671 2013-06-15 13:58:19 <kork> so I guess my client didn't create new change addresses after restarting
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673 2013-06-15 13:58:38 <sipa> is your wallet encrypted?
674 2013-06-15 13:58:45 <kork> no
675 2013-06-15 13:58:53 <kork> oh, never mind
676 2013-06-15 13:58:53 <sipa> then it certainly created a new keypool
677 2013-06-15 13:59:00 <kork> the transaction just went through
678 2013-06-15 13:59:31 <kork> https://blockchain.info/address/19qB63tP7jSpHW3VdVo75LusisncN7B1yK there, everything good :-)
679 2013-06-15 13:59:37 <kork> thanks for your help and the explanations, guys
680 2013-06-15 13:59:38 <sipa> and it used the change output you created with the previous transaction
681 2013-06-15 13:59:46 <kork> yes
682 2013-06-15 13:59:52 <sipa> so all is well
683 2013-06-15 13:59:59 <kork> indeed. thanks
684 2013-06-15 14:00:08 <sydna> people really do struggle with change
685 2013-06-15 14:00:49 <sipa> we really need to get people to think of wallets as wallets, and not as collections of addresses
686 2013-06-15 14:01:13 <kork> the explanation on https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Change
687 2013-06-15 14:01:15 <kork> really makes sense
688 2013-06-15 14:01:36 <sydna> blockchain.info is making the problem far, far worse
689 2013-06-15 14:01:47 <sydna> it removes much of the abstraction a wallet gives
690 2013-06-15 14:01:55 <sipa> indeed
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692 2013-06-15 14:02:20 <sydna> and paper wallets, while suitable for some things, are disastrous
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694 2013-06-15 14:03:13 <sydna> I saw a hilarious Chrome extension before that for some reason was designed to let you use a single brainwallet address as a "wallet".
695 2013-06-15 14:04:33 <sipa> :(
696 2013-06-15 14:05:31 <sydna> exactly.
697 2013-06-15 14:06:51 <sydna> it's somewhat worrying that people put their faith and currency in such flimsy containers
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700 2013-06-15 14:12:41 <kork> another question while I'm here bugging you: I have a wallet file here that only contains 0.00089552 BTC. is there a point in keeping that file?
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702 2013-06-15 14:15:00 <sydna> if you don't want it, donate it
703 2013-06-15 14:15:32 <kork> I can't even transfer anything out of there because of tx fees
704 2013-06-15 14:15:49 <sydna> you can often send without any fees
705 2013-06-15 14:16:01 <sipa> not such small amounts
706 2013-06-15 14:16:57 <kork> I tried satoshi dice. I'm sorry for spamming the block chain ;)
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709 2013-06-15 14:20:04 <kork> anyway, again thanks for the explanations. bye
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763 2013-06-15 16:08:43 <dangersalad> anyone know how to use th walletnotify option? I keep getting sh: 1 <my cammand here> not found
764 2013-06-15 16:09:35 <sipa> how do you call it?
765 2013-06-15 16:10:10 <dangersalad> walletnotify="/home/bitcoin/received %s"
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767 2013-06-15 16:10:23 <dangersalad> received is an executale bash script
768 2013-06-15 16:10:31 <dangersalad> executable*
769 2013-06-15 16:10:51 <sipa> in bitcoin.conf?
770 2013-06-15 16:11:09 <dangersalad> yeah
771 2013-06-15 16:11:20 <sipa> try without the ""
772 2013-06-15 16:11:33 <dangersalad> sh: 1: /home/bitcoin/received fda26353d74389b4eb2b53c5c3d35ba3d3c2a4fe334bbb99126b800ae88â
773 2013-06-15 16:11:37 <dangersalad> 54bbf: not found
774 2013-06-15 16:12:01 <dangersalad> is what I end up getting (sorry for the split, text selected in tmux never behaves right)
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776 2013-06-15 16:12:28 <sipa> it's now trying to execute the script with filename '/home/bitcoin/received fda26353d74389b4eb2b53c5c3d35ba3d3c2a4fe334bbb99126b800ae8854bbf'
777 2013-06-15 16:12:40 <sipa> as the "" are not stripped by bitcoind, and passed along to the shell
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779 2013-06-15 16:14:49 <dangersalad> ah ha
780 2013-06-15 16:14:53 <dangersalad> worked like a charm, thanks
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784 2013-06-15 16:18:29 <bitRipperX> what's the best way send notifications to a nodejs app using -blocknotify from the satoshi client? At the moment i'm writing to a named pipe and trying to get node to read from that pipe but it's shitty and not working consistently.
785 2013-06-15 16:18:44 <bitRipperX> socket? file? zmq?
786 2013-06-15 16:19:52 <sipa> there's a pullrequest that adds zmq support
787 2013-06-15 16:20:24 <bitRipperX> I tried the zmq build but couldn't get it to work. got tired of wasting time on it.
788 2013-06-15 16:20:33 <The_Fly> i have a working zmq fork
789 2013-06-15 16:20:49 <The_Fly> or have updated fredan's
790 2013-06-15 16:22:59 <The_Fly> he used some prefix infront of the message "block{ ... }" "transaction{ ... }" but ive opted for {type:"block", data: ... }
791 2013-06-15 16:23:14 <The_Fly> which means you can use type as a routing key for rabbitmq/amqp
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793 2013-06-15 16:23:50 <The_Fly> perhaps a rabbitmq client in bitcoind would be better, but am just using message-pass to bridge zmq-rmq
794 2013-06-15 16:24:04 <The_Fly> for now
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799 2013-06-15 16:31:58 <melvster> did dan kaminsky really hack he block chain?
800 2013-06-15 16:32:52 <lianj> define hack
801 2013-06-15 16:34:17 <melvster> i heard he intentionally spammed the live net with ascii art
802 2013-06-15 16:34:47 <melvster> im unsure if it's true tho
803 2013-06-15 16:34:53 <lianj> yes, but thats no hack. lots of people did it.
804 2013-06-15 16:34:56 <sydna> how is that a "hack"
805 2013-06-15 16:35:30 <lianj> melvster: the real quote from him is "I tried to hack BitCoin and failed"
806 2013-06-15 16:37:20 <melvster> im unsure of what he did, so i couldnt say one way or another at this point
807 2013-06-15 16:37:29 <melvster> just trying to find out
808 2013-06-15 16:37:36 <lianj> now you found out
809 2013-06-15 16:41:44 <melvster> hmmm still unsure ... im against block chain spam
810 2013-06-15 16:42:43 <melvster> just because many people do it, doesnt make it ok
811 2013-06-15 16:44:37 <melvster> i need to know the details to really understand
812 2013-06-15 16:44:49 <melvster> but certainly in europe there's laws against spam
813 2013-06-15 16:45:02 <sydna> email spam, specifically.
814 2013-06-15 16:46:24 <bitRipperX> The_Fly: I'm going to try it one more time. don't know if you remember but this is the correct repo right "git clone -b 0mq https://github.com/fredan/bitcoin.git"
815 2013-06-15 16:46:54 <The_Fly> hello
816 2013-06-15 16:47:13 <The_Fly> indeed, zmq branch
817 2013-06-15 16:47:25 <melvster> if he wanted to prove a point, he should have used the test net, imho
818 2013-06-15 16:47:29 <The_Fly> it should build but is not up to date
819 2013-06-15 16:47:45 <The_Fly> bitRipperX: the one i have is up to date but i've not pushed it online
820 2013-06-15 16:47:57 <The_Fly> what are you building bitRipperX?
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822 2013-06-15 16:49:01 <bitRipperX> The_Fly: hmm, that's a problem. Not appropriate for a production env i suppose.
823 2013-06-15 16:49:30 <bitRipperX> The_Fly: I'm building a donation system with peer to peer and history elements thrown in.
824 2013-06-15 16:49:50 <The_Fly> interesting
825 2013-06-15 16:50:05 <bitRipperX> The_Fly: Having a bitch of a time finding a viable long term solution as this is my first time working with node.
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832 2013-06-15 16:59:02 <bitRipperX> The_Fly: If you were limited to using -blocknotify on the satoshi client, how would you use it to communicate with a third party app?
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835 2013-06-15 17:01:14 <The_Fly> there are many options, i guess
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837 2013-06-15 17:02:20 <The_Fly> depends on your specific requirements
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840 2013-06-15 17:04:54 <bitRipperX> The_Fly: if i want to notify people that have subscribed to a "channel" about a transation as close to as real time as possible
841 2013-06-15 17:05:35 <The_Fly> http://blockchain.info/api/api_websocket
842 2013-06-15 17:05:45 <The_Fly> if you dont want something in-house
843 2013-06-15 17:05:49 <bitRipperX> The_Fly: I want to scale it up to thousands of people and I don't want to hammer my satoshi client with rpc requests
844 2013-06-15 17:05:59 <sydna> it would probably be of benefit to not have every service based on blockchain.info
845 2013-06-15 17:06:00 <bitRipperX> The_Fly: i was looking at that, but I need something scalable.
846 2013-06-15 17:06:24 <sydna> that API also has horrible uptime
847 2013-06-15 17:06:25 <The_Fly> so you need your own db and queing system
848 2013-06-15 17:06:42 <The_Fly> im looking at this very thing now
849 2013-06-15 17:08:05 <The_Fly> you can scale node/socket.io/rabbitmq (or use amazon elastic load balancing, SMQ)
850 2013-06-15 17:08:19 <The_Fly> which is why the zmq branch is handy
851 2013-06-15 17:08:43 <The_Fly> no need for a process for every blocknotify/walletnotify too
852 2013-06-15 17:09:31 <The_Fly> and you'll need rpc requests to send from your wallet, obviously
853 2013-06-15 17:09:41 <The_Fly> but to query transactions etc. just defer to your internal db
854 2013-06-15 17:09:57 <sydna> big wallets don't scale.
855 2013-06-15 17:10:04 <sydna> people seem to constantly struggle with that one
856 2013-06-15 17:10:09 <sydna> bitcoind just gets slower and slower
857 2013-06-15 17:10:22 <The_Fly> that is not great, no
858 2013-06-15 17:10:23 <lianj> sydna: phantomcircuit improved that. but yea
859 2013-06-15 17:10:36 <The_Fly> how slow are we talking?
860 2013-06-15 17:10:48 <bitRipperX> The_Fly: how much effort did it take to get the zmq branch up to date?
861 2013-06-15 17:10:50 <sydna> uhm, btct.co was struggling recently
862 2013-06-15 17:11:00 <sydna> response times in the seconds
863 2013-06-15 17:11:05 <The_Fly> bitRipperX: not much, and i dont mind sharing mine
864 2013-06-15 17:11:10 <The_Fly> this is a charity project?
865 2013-06-15 17:11:15 <The_Fly> i'll msg you...
866 2013-06-15 17:11:49 <sydna> response times of the bitcoind process, that is
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868 2013-06-15 17:13:40 <bitRipperX> The_Fly: charity? you mean open source? Yeah, I want bitcoin to have wider adoption so this is sort of a fun project to get learn how to bild something production level and further the cause at the same time.
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871 2013-06-15 17:14:14 <The_Fly> i am working along the same lines...
872 2013-06-15 17:14:19 <bitRipperX> ah you mean will it be used for charities? yeah, I see that being the main target audience. but anyone can use it on their site I suppose.
873 2013-06-15 17:14:24 <The_Fly> doing something that just gets people interested
874 2013-06-15 17:14:43 <The_Fly> what i mean is, do you intend on making any profit? lol
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876 2013-06-15 17:16:11 <bitRipperX> The_Fly: from this project, probably not, but I dream of quitting my job and doing something bitcoin related. I'm tired of working for the man. haha.
877 2013-06-15 17:17:12 <The_Fly> indeed ;)
878 2013-06-15 17:17:24 <sipa> the man?
879 2013-06-15 17:17:34 <The_Fly> you know... that man
880 2013-06-15 17:17:44 <The_Fly> that everyone works for
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882 2013-06-15 17:18:51 <bitRipperX> It's an american colloquialism. working for the establishment.
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884 2013-06-15 17:19:19 <The_Fly> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bitcoin_Church
885 2013-06-15 17:19:27 <The_Fly> praise satoshi
886 2013-06-15 17:20:20 <lianj> troll harder
887 2013-06-15 17:23:25 <The_Fly> :)
888 2013-06-15 17:24:17 <Corndawg> why so many blocks so quickly?
889 2013-06-15 17:24:33 <sydna> luck.
890 2013-06-15 17:25:14 <sipa> the global miner cabal has decided to start hashing faster, as of today
891 2013-06-15 17:25:42 <sydna> your graphs are looking ridiculous at the moment, sipa
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893 2013-06-15 17:28:52 <matjeh> its never this fast when i need transactions confirmed
894 2013-06-15 17:28:53 <matjeh> never
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897 2013-06-15 17:32:35 <sipa> sydna: what's ridiculous about them?
898 2013-06-15 17:33:00 <sydna> sipa: nothing to do with the graphs themselves, just the content is a little amusing
899 2013-06-15 17:33:29 <sipa> right
900 2013-06-15 17:33:39 <sydna> http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-small-lin.png â this one, where the difficulty has a long way to catch up
901 2013-06-15 17:34:11 <sipa> well, my algorithm is known to overshoot in case of spiky sudden hashrate changes
902 2013-06-15 17:34:32 <sipa> it's very accurate in case of ~constant growth
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904 2013-06-15 17:35:21 <sydna> the algorithm for drawing the graph, or the internal target in bitcoind?
905 2013-06-15 17:36:01 <The_Fly> maybe bfl shipped :P
906 2013-06-15 17:36:10 <sydna> given that the hash rate is approaching vertical, I don't think the spike will have much effect
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916 2013-06-15 17:44:53 <sipa> sydna: my algorithm for estimating the hashrate
917 2013-06-15 17:45:01 <sipa> it's intended to compensate for growth
918 2013-06-15 17:45:18 <sydna> gotcha.
919 2013-06-15 17:45:35 <sipa> it results in a maximum likelyhood result assuming the actual hashrate is an exponential function
920 2013-06-15 17:48:33 <sydna> I'm impressed with the number, no matter how inaccurate
921 2013-06-15 17:48:42 <sipa> same!
922 2013-06-15 17:49:03 <sydna> 125TH is just.. unbelievable. I've no point of reference to imagine just how fast that is
923 2013-06-15 17:50:06 <sydna> google tells me that it is 31250000 times the hashrate my macbook can sustain, but even that is stupid.
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965 2013-06-15 19:19:31 <michagogo> What is the -txindex command-line option?
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967 2013-06-15 19:22:06 <sipa> michagogo: it enables the transaction index
968 2013-06-15 19:22:14 <sipa> so you can use getrawtransaction
969 2013-06-15 19:22:33 <michagogo> Oh, on any transaction?
970 2013-06-15 19:22:40 <sipa> yes
971 2013-06-15 19:23:01 <sipa> except the genesis block's coinbase
972 2013-06-15 19:23:01 <michagogo> Which transactions does that work on at the moment?
973 2013-06-15 19:23:14 <michagogo> Just wallet and mempool, with this enabling it for blockchain as well?
974 2013-06-15 19:23:36 <sipa> normally it works with not fully spent transactions, or mempool transactions
975 2013-06-15 19:23:43 <sipa> wallet is irrelevant
976 2013-06-15 19:24:24 <michagogo> Ah, so it pulls from mempool and utxo?
977 2013-06-15 19:24:34 <sipa> yes
978 2013-06-15 19:24:46 <sipa> perhaps it should also pull from the wallet
979 2013-06-15 19:24:51 <michagogo> (is utxo just what's in the blockchain?)
980 2013-06-15 19:25:12 <sipa> yes, but it doesn't contain spent transactions
981 2013-06-15 19:25:20 <sipa> and it's many times smaller
982 2013-06-15 19:25:27 <michagogo> Right, ofc
983 2013-06-15 19:25:33 <michagogo> Also, how big are these transaction indices?
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985 2013-06-15 19:26:23 <sipa> ~ 1 GB
986 2013-06-15 19:26:33 <sipa> (+ slower sync)
987 2013-06-15 19:27:17 <TheLordOfTime> sipa: in the blocks db for bitcoin-qt, what's the largest file size of any individual file in that?
988 2013-06-15 19:27:33 <TheLordOfTime> asking because i need to figure out how to format the drive i'm going to use to move the thing from one system to another.
989 2013-06-15 19:27:50 <sipa> TheLordOfTime: new files shouldn't be larger than 128 MiB
990 2013-06-15 19:28:08 <TheLordOfTime> sipa: good so i don't have to worry about anything being over 4 GB in size?
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992 2013-06-15 19:28:28 <sipa> though the size of leveldb files isn't entirely under our control; if you set a ridiculously large dbcache (like 10s of GB), you could end up with log files that are above 4 GB
993 2013-06-15 19:28:54 <TheLordOfTime> yeah was afraid of that
994 2013-06-15 19:28:56 * TheLordOfTime formats NTFS
995 2013-06-15 19:29:11 <sipa> by ridiculously, i mean that setting it that high would be ridiculous
996 2013-06-15 19:29:16 <TheLordOfTime> oh of course
997 2013-06-15 19:29:17 <sipa> by default it's 25 MB
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1000 2013-06-15 19:29:36 <sipa> though setting it to something like 1 GB improves performance significantly
1001 2013-06-15 19:29:58 <TheLordOfTime> configurable setting or hard-coded?
1002 2013-06-15 19:30:22 <sipa> configurable
1003 2013-06-15 19:30:25 <sipa> -dbcache=X setting
1004 2013-06-15 19:30:29 <sipa> with X in MiB
1005 2013-06-15 19:31:19 <TheLordOfTime> ah so at-runtime arguments.
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1008 2013-06-15 19:32:44 <TheLordOfTime> makes sense. thanks.
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1013 2013-06-15 19:33:27 <TheLordOfTime> sipa: and if i'm copying the blockchain from one client to another i only need the %datadir%/.bitcoin/blocks/* folder right?
1014 2013-06-15 19:33:33 <TheLordOfTime> or do i need anything else copied?
1015 2013-06-15 19:35:24 <michagogo> TheLordOfTime: If you trust your copy, also take chainstate and blkindex.dat
1016 2013-06-15 19:36:04 <michagogo> Not sure what .bitcoin/blk0001.dat is, though
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1018 2013-06-15 19:36:21 <TheLordOfTime> is it a problem if blkindex.dat == nonexistent?
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1020 2013-06-15 19:36:53 <grau> is there a working testnet block explorer around?
1021 2013-06-15 19:36:55 <michagogo> TheLordOfTime: That's the block index, as the name implies
1022 2013-06-15 19:37:06 <grau> http://blockexplorer.com/testnet is stuck at 20. May
1023 2013-06-15 19:37:12 <TheLordOfTime> michagogo: tbh i just don't want to have to download two months of block data on the other client and wouldn't mind giving it a kickstart
1024 2013-06-15 19:37:13 <michagogo> TheLordOfTime: Basically, that forces the equivalent of -reindex when you next start
1025 2013-06-15 19:37:38 <michagogo> TheLordOfTime: You *can* just take the blocks folder (or bootstrap.dat)
1026 2013-06-15 19:38:00 <michagogo> TheLordOfTime: If you take blkindex.dat, you can also save the time it takes to reindex
1027 2013-06-15 19:39:38 <HaltingState> how many bytes is a bitcoin signature
1028 2013-06-15 19:39:59 <TheLordOfTime> wheee, 10.1GB copy >.>
1029 2013-06-15 19:40:12 * TheLordOfTime loves his 16GB flash drives :P
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1032 2013-06-15 19:41:23 <sipa> HaltingState: 72 bytes
1033 2013-06-15 19:41:48 <HaltingState> sipa, what is size of uncompressed private key
1034 2013-06-15 19:42:02 <sipa> 32 bytes; private keys are never compressed
1035 2013-06-15 19:42:23 <sipa> but you need a one bit state to know whether the corresponding public key is supposed to be compressed or not
1036 2013-06-15 19:43:34 <HaltingState> sipa, I am getting 214 bytes for private key when i enable compression and 279 bytes without compression
1037 2013-06-15 19:43:42 <HaltingState> for NID_secp256k1
1038 2013-06-15 19:43:44 <HaltingState> am i doing something wrong
1039 2013-06-15 19:43:48 <sipa> no
1040 2013-06-15 19:43:56 <sipa> that's OpenSSL's DER encoded private keys
1041 2013-06-15 19:44:13 <sipa> it contains private key, public key, field parameters, curve parameters and generator point
1042 2013-06-15 19:44:17 <sipa> but you only need 32 bytes
1043 2013-06-15 19:44:22 <HaltingState> how do i go from that to a 32 byte one?
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1046 2013-06-15 19:48:07 <grau> sipa: http://blockexplorer.com/testnet is stuck since more than 4000 blocks. Is there an other?
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1048 2013-06-15 19:48:29 <sipa> grau: not afaik
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1050 2013-06-15 19:50:27 <grau> There will be one in a few days. Working on it. I recognized that this does not work as I tried to reconcile
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1099 2013-06-15 21:05:03 <jiffe1> so in the GetDifficulty, double dDiff = (double)0x0000ffff / (double)(blockindex->nBits & 0x00ffffff); as nbits goes up diff goes down?
1100 2013-06-15 21:06:30 <sipa> nBits is an encoded form for the target
1101 2013-06-15 21:06:42 <sipa> using an exponent/mantissa representation
1102 2013-06-15 21:06:52 <sipa> and when the target goes down, the difficulty goes up yes
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1104 2013-06-15 21:13:09 <TheUni> warren: around?
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1110 2013-06-15 21:24:15 <phantomcircuit> sipa, i think changing the key format in the wallet is generally a good idea
1111 2013-06-15 21:24:26 <phantomcircuit> a serialized CKey is the secret right?
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1113 2013-06-15 21:25:15 <sipa> yes, just the 32 bytes
1114 2013-06-15 21:26:05 <sipa> i'm thinking about ("key",cpubkey) -> ckey,hash(cpubkey+ckey),metadata
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1116 2013-06-15 21:26:25 <sipa> probably some header byte to be able to distinguish it from the old format
1117 2013-06-15 21:26:56 <sipa> another possibility is a full new entry altogether, including from encrypted keys
1118 2013-06-15 21:27:07 <sipa> *for
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1121 2013-06-15 21:28:27 <pro-tech> New LiteCoin Mining Pool with only 10 confirms http://ltc.pro-tech.bz.it
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1126 2013-06-15 21:37:24 <TheLordOfTime> sipa: is there any harm in me rsync-ing the blockchain using rsync incremental updates *while* bitcoind / bitcoin-qt is running?
1127 2013-06-15 21:37:47 <sipa> TheLordOfTime: the block data files, no
1128 2013-06-15 21:37:52 <sipa> TheLordOfTime: the databases, yes
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1130 2013-06-15 21:38:20 <lupine> well, as long as the final rsync is when the source is turned off, and the destination isn't turned on until after then, all should work
1131 2013-06-15 21:38:32 <sipa> sure
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1136 2013-06-15 21:51:27 <melvster> an interesting set of papers ... no other comments ... http://www.informatik.uni-trier.de/~ley/pers/hd/o/Okamoto:Tatsuaki.html
1137 2013-06-15 21:51:50 <melvster> Tatsuaki Okamoto, An Efficient Divisible Electronic Cash Scheme, Advances in Cryptology
1138 2013-06-15 21:52:06 <melvster> Tony Eng and Tatsuaki Okamoto, Single-Term Divisible Electronic Coins, Advances in Cryptology
1139 2013-06-15 21:52:24 <melvster> Tatsuaki Okamoto and Kazuo Ohta, Universal Electronic Cash, Advances in Cryptology
1140 2013-06-15 21:52:46 <melvster> Eiichiro Fujisaki, Tatsuaki Okamoto: Practical Escrow Cash System
1141 2013-06-15 21:52:57 <melvster> Tatsuaki Okamoto, Atsushi Fujioka, Eiichiro Fujisaki: An Efficient Digital Signature Scheme Based on an Elliptic Curve
1142 2013-06-15 21:53:20 <melvster> perhaps this guy would be interested in bitcoin :)
1143 2013-06-15 21:53:42 <melvster> cc amiller_ sipa ^^
1144 2013-06-15 21:54:10 <sipa> eh who knows?
1145 2013-06-15 21:54:24 <sipa> ask him :p
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1194 2013-06-15 22:53:36 <phantomcircuit> sipa, generally i could think using a new identifier for a new format would be a good idea, the only reason i didn't was that appending the hash is backwards compatible
1195 2013-06-15 22:53:45 <phantomcircuit> s/could/would/
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1198 2013-06-15 22:54:30 <phantomcircuit> sipa, possibly introducing a new format with a version number
1199 2013-06-15 22:54:40 <melvster> phantomcircuit: new identifier format? for what?
1200 2013-06-15 22:54:40 <phantomcircuit> or maybe just calling it key2
1201 2013-06-15 22:54:48 <phantomcircuit> melvster, wallet keys
1202 2013-06-15 22:55:02 <melvster> public, private, or the hash of the public key?
1203 2013-06-15 22:55:06 <phantomcircuit> the current format is unnecessarily bloated
1204 2013-06-15 22:55:16 <phantomcircuit> <sipa> i'm thinking about ("key",cpubkey) -> ckey,hash(cpubkey+ckey),metadata
1205 2013-06-15 22:55:38 <phantomcircuit> currently it's ("key", cPubKey) -> cPrivKey
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1207 2013-06-15 22:55:59 <phantomcircuit> cPrivKey is a DER encoded private key/public key
1208 2013-06-15 22:56:29 <phantomcircuit> which is almost entirely unnecessary
1209 2013-06-15 22:56:41 <melvster> phantomcircuit: would this mean changing bitcoin address, or something else?
1210 2013-06-15 22:57:38 <phantomcircuit> melvster, no?
1211 2013-06-15 22:57:47 <phantomcircuit> this would just make loading the wallet faster
1212 2013-06-15 22:57:54 <melvster> oh right
1213 2013-06-15 22:58:04 <melvster> cool
1214 2013-06-15 23:06:04 <warren> TheUni: ?
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1223 2013-06-15 23:26:15 <phantomcircuit> melvster, i already changed a bunch of stuff which massively reduced the time to load, but if we're gonna change it best to change it to something better
1224 2013-06-15 23:26:40 <melvster> great
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1229 2013-06-15 23:33:58 <Luke-Jr> any forum admins here?
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1244 2013-06-15 23:40:30 <Luke-Jr> BitForce SC firmware source code released: http://bitcointroll.org/?topic=235312
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