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  58 2013-06-19 01:36:48 <bx_> what r other bitcoin channels
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  60 2013-06-19 01:36:54 <bx_> for people looking to invest/startups etc
  61 2013-06-19 01:37:54 <maaku> you won't find that on irc
  62 2013-06-19 01:39:02 <bx_> damn
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  64 2013-06-19 01:40:16 <maaku> bx_: https://angel.co/
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 270 2013-06-19 04:55:47 <gmaxwell> http://labs.spotify.com/2013/06/18/creative-usernames/  I thought the bit at the end how subtle underlying library behavior submarined them was amusing.
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 275 2013-06-19 04:59:15 <gwillen> gmaxwell: thinking of database lock exhaustion? :-)
 276 2013-06-19 04:59:24 <gwillen> (or whatever it was)
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 279 2013-06-19 05:06:10 <gmaxwell> Well, its a risk we face more generally than that. I liked that it was two layers deep here. I don't think I'd previously thought much about e.g. boost might depend on some underspecified libc or c compiler behavior.
 280 2013-06-19 05:09:48 <Luke-Jr> I'm not sure I agree with the author's claim that it is correct to error if a character isn't part of Unicode 3.2 :p
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 282 2013-06-19 05:11:26 <gmaxwell> certantly the canonization function that couldn't handle the non-unicode 3.2 should have errored instead of screwed up.
 283 2013-06-19 05:11:55 <gmaxwell> but at the end of the day the guy who exploited their vulnerable system didn't care if it was python or the library's fault.
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 387 2013-06-19 07:05:51 <tgs3> who was asking for site comparing all altcoins? gmaxwell or sipa? anyway  http://dustcoin.com/mining  and  http://www.coinchoose.com/index.php
 388 2013-06-19 07:06:46 <tgs3> oh it was jgarzik  <@jgarzik> I wish there was an honest comparison written up somewhere
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 421 2013-06-19 08:10:53 <Luke-Jr> tgs3: he was asking for an *honest comparison*
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 433 2013-06-19 08:32:34 <coingenuity> anyone have any ideas why bitcoind might be running so poorly on an AMD APU?
 434 2013-06-19 08:33:12 <Scrat> because you touch yourself
 435 2013-06-19 08:33:21 <Scrat> cpu shouldn't matter
 436 2013-06-19 08:33:30 <coingenuity> Scrat: shouldn't, but it seems to
 437 2013-06-19 08:34:16 <TD> running so poorly when downloading the block chain?
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 439 2013-06-19 08:36:43 <Scrat> a typical APU is anemic compared to a desktop quadcore
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 441 2013-06-19 08:38:08 <gmaxwell> coingenuity: provide more data.
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 443 2013-06-19 08:38:45 <gmaxwell> Scrat: don't give bad advice; the cpu speed certantly matters in at least _some cases_, but coingenuity hasn't given enough data yet to know if he's talking about one of those. :)
 444 2013-06-19 08:39:00 <gmaxwell> coingenuity: By running poorly do you mean that it spouts insults about your mother?
 445 2013-06-19 08:39:04 <gmaxwell> :P
 446 2013-06-19 08:39:38 <tgs3> Luke-Jr: what would be not honest, they are numbers. Any of them is falsified you think?
 447 2013-06-19 08:40:11 <coingenuity> gmaxwell: well, basically, i've compared the ECDSA signing speed of my APU against a control amd64 system
 448 2013-06-19 08:40:35 <coingenuity> the speed is around 1/4 that of the control, but blockchain sync is MUCH slower
 449 2013-06-19 08:41:01 <coingenuity> IO makes a difference, of course, and the control has SSDs but it shouldnt cause such an extreme statistical disparity
 450 2013-06-19 08:41:15 <coingenuity> so i'm wondering, what on earth could be causing bitcoind to operate SO slowly on an API
 451 2013-06-19 08:41:16 <coingenuity> APU*
 452 2013-06-19 08:41:54 <coingenuity> i'm watching it do initial-startup right now, and it's just passed block 100k on-disk after almost 2 minutes
 453 2013-06-19 08:42:09 <coingenuity> so even verification of chain integrity is agonizingly bad
 454 2013-06-19 08:42:20 <gmaxwell> woah
 455 2013-06-19 08:42:24 <gmaxwell> yea, that sounds busted.
 456 2013-06-19 08:42:27 <melvster> lakes me about a day to download a fresh client
 457 2013-06-19 08:42:30 <coingenuity> extremely
 458 2013-06-19 08:42:32 <Scrat> coingenuity: iowait%?
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 460 2013-06-19 08:43:03 <gmaxwell> melvster: pretty slow, but if you're talking about download that easily gets dominated by peer luck. But coingenuity is talking about something entirely different.
 461 2013-06-19 08:43:14 <gmaxwell> multiminute startups don't make a lot of sense.
 462 2013-06-19 08:43:20 <gmaxwell> coingenuity: what OS is on this thing?
 463 2013-06-19 08:43:36 <coingenuity> Scrat: hm, io wait is negligable
 464 2013-06-19 08:43:48 <coingenuity> gmaxwell: ubuntu 64
 465 2013-06-19 08:43:50 <gmaxwell> With that kind of slowdown I wonder if some locking primitivte we're using misbehaves on that cpu.
 466 2013-06-19 08:43:56 <gmaxwell> which cpu is it?
 467 2013-06-19 08:44:04 <gmaxwell> gimme /proc/cpuinfo
 468 2013-06-19 08:44:09 <coingenuity> AMD APU a3200 or something
 469 2013-06-19 08:44:11 <coingenuity> sec
 470 2013-06-19 08:44:28 <coingenuity> want a pastebin i assume?
 471 2013-06-19 08:44:35 <gmaxwell> sure
 472 2013-06-19 08:44:44 <coingenuity> kk, sec
 473 2013-06-19 08:44:50 <coingenuity> its an e350 BTW
 474 2013-06-19 08:45:59 <coingenuity> http://pastebin.com/0MqeEEXG here you are gmaxwell
 475 2013-06-19 08:46:08 <coingenuity> thanks for taking a look :)
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 478 2013-06-19 08:48:09 <coingenuity> *sigh* only on block 140k
 479 2013-06-19 08:48:11 <coingenuity> lmao
 480 2013-06-19 08:48:21 <coingenuity> its not even syncing, just iterating through crap on disk
 481 2013-06-19 08:48:49 <Scrat> it's a low voltage dual core :/
 482 2013-06-19 08:49:10 <coingenuity> Scrat: it still shouldn't take 20 minutes to load the blockchain from disk
 483 2013-06-19 08:49:50 <Scrat> is this a bootstrapped startup?
 484 2013-06-19 08:49:57 <gmaxwell> ...
 485 2013-06-19 08:50:07 <gmaxwell> coingenuity: Whats the storage on this thing?
 486 2013-06-19 08:50:27 <gmaxwell> Any weird file system? e.g. ecryptfs?
 487 2013-06-19 08:50:46 <coingenuity> no weird filesystem, brand new platter with ext3(if memory serves)
 488 2013-06-19 08:51:48 <coingenuity> Scrat: its not bootstrapped, i just restarted the daemon to connect to a local peer to eliminate network-latency problems
 489 2013-06-19 08:52:01 <coingenuity> and it's iterating through what was on disk already from the initial sync some months ago
 490 2013-06-19 08:52:09 <gmaxwell> I'm not finding any redflags wrt that cpu.
 491 2013-06-19 08:52:15 <gmaxwell> oh what bitcoin version is it?
 492 2013-06-19 08:52:21 <coingenuity> 8.2
 493 2013-06-19 08:52:28 <coingenuity> so should be real fast
 494 2013-06-19 08:52:40 <coingenuity> its threading as it's supposed to, as well
 495 2013-06-19 08:53:43 <coingenuity> in the time it's taken to go from startup ~> block 150k of what's on disk, my normal machines would be done doing a full sync already heh
 496 2013-06-19 08:54:01 <gmaxwell> well, thats not a screaming cpu but I agree that it shouldn't be behaving like that.
 497 2013-06-19 08:54:08 <gmaxwell> anything unusual showing up in the logs?
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 499 2013-06-19 08:54:53 <coingenuity> bitcoind's logs?
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 501 2013-06-19 08:55:03 <coingenuity> or syslog
 502 2013-06-19 08:55:10 <gmaxwell> both, actually
 503 2013-06-19 08:55:19 <gmaxwell> (well bitcoin's debug log and dmesg would be fine)
 504 2013-06-19 08:55:26 <coingenuity> lets see
 505 2013-06-19 08:55:45 <coingenuity> bwahaha
 506 2013-06-19 08:55:54 <coingenuity> not really anything
 507 2013-06-19 08:56:01 <coingenuity> just failed peerings
 508 2013-06-19 08:56:12 <SomeoneWeird> well dont you fail
 509 2013-06-19 08:56:13 <SomeoneWeird> :P
 510 2013-06-19 08:57:16 <coingenuity> yeah, it's not showing me anything in debug.log
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 655 2013-06-19 13:05:23 <jayhacks> i need bit coins
 656 2013-06-19 13:05:59 <sipa> go buy them
 657 2013-06-19 13:07:13 <coingenuity> lol
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 679 2013-06-19 13:42:25 <TD> sipa: i'll just squash all the commits now they're reviewed
 680 2013-06-19 13:42:29 <TD> there's no point in having them be separate
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 684 2013-06-19 13:43:00 <sipa> TD: can you keep the move of CBlockLocator to .cpp separate?
 685 2013-06-19 13:43:05 <sipa> TD: that feels like an unrelated change
 686 2013-06-19 13:43:46 <TD> oh, sure
 687 2013-06-19 13:43:50 <TD> of course
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 702 2013-06-19 14:00:21 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, so it is
 703 2013-06-19 14:00:22 <phantomcircuit> :/
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 734 2013-06-19 14:42:09 <Luke-Jr> tgs3: well, it's not really a comparison; and I'd say its presentation implies they are more or less equals and the only thing that matters is profitability to miners
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 741 2013-06-19 14:47:13 <Vinnie_win> Where is the Jenkins server used to do the continuous integration for Bitcoin? Is it an Amazon cloud instance? Or does Jenkins provide servers for open source projects?
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 743 2013-06-19 14:49:45 <coingenuity> the heck is jenkins
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 745 2013-06-19 14:49:59 <TD> we don't use jenkins. there is a pull tester run by matt instead
 746 2013-06-19 14:50:16 <Vinnie_win> oh hmm....was that written by hand or does it use a framework?
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 752 2013-06-19 14:53:07 <TD> was written by hand, i think
 753 2013-06-19 14:53:25 <TD> sipa: can you summarise the pay-to-contract protocol talk?
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 761 2013-06-19 15:03:41 <coingenuity> hm
 762 2013-06-19 15:03:52 <coingenuity> anyone know if there's a bitcoind call to rebuild the block database?
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 767 2013-06-19 15:05:03 <sipa> coingenuity: -reindex
 768 2013-06-19 15:05:12 <sipa> coingenuity: only at startup, not at runtime
 769 2013-06-19 15:05:18 <buZz>   -rescan                Rescan the block chain for missing wallet transactions
 770 2013-06-19 15:05:22 <buZz> not that?
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 772 2013-06-19 15:05:25 <coingenuity> ah, i found it just as you said so sipa :D
 773 2013-06-19 15:05:30 <coingenuity> thank you much bud
 774 2013-06-19 15:05:37 <sipa> buZz: no, that's for rescanning the chain for missing wallet transactions
 775 2013-06-19 15:05:42 <coingenuity> ^
 776 2013-06-19 15:05:42 <sipa> buZz: not for rebuilding the chain itself
 777 2013-06-19 15:05:46 <buZz> oh right
 778 2013-06-19 15:06:07 <coingenuity> hopefully it'll efficiently reindex the chain i have on disk so i dont have to move it over again lol
 779 2013-06-19 15:06:21 <coingenuity> guessing its just a disparity in leveldb's checkpointing
 780 2013-06-19 15:06:22 <sipa> it doesn't redownload
 781 2013-06-19 15:06:40 <coingenuity> :)
 782 2013-06-19 15:06:44 <coingenuity> eggcellent
 783 2013-06-19 15:06:58 <coingenuity> been trying to get this 'thin' full node to play happily
 784 2013-06-19 15:06:58 <epscy> coingenuity: what are you working on?
 785 2013-06-19 15:07:09 <coingenuity> epscy: new bitcoind setup that uses far less power
 786 2013-06-19 15:07:12 <coingenuity> AMD APU build
 787 2013-06-19 15:07:12 <sipa> coingenuity: also, add -dbcache if you want to speed it up
 788 2013-06-19 15:07:20 <coingenuity> sipa: oooooooo awesome
 789 2013-06-19 15:07:23 <coingenuity> let me try that now
 790 2013-06-19 15:07:26 <sipa> and have memory to spare
 791 2013-06-19 15:07:30 <sipa> the argument is in MiB
 792 2013-06-19 15:07:38 <coingenuity> i do, bitcoin is only using a few percent of memory for the moment
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 794 2013-06-19 15:07:50 <sipa> i usually set it to 1000 or so
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 796 2013-06-19 15:08:36 <coingenuity> sweet, got it running a reindex now
 797 2013-06-19 15:08:44 <coingenuity> and thanks to dbcache it looks to be eating some more ram
 798 2013-06-19 15:09:29 <coingenuity> oo nice
 799 2013-06-19 15:09:34 <coingenuity> monitor is showing me blocks increasing now
 800 2013-06-19 15:09:36 <tgs3> brother of Atkins
 801 2013-06-19 15:09:36 <coingenuity> very quickly too
 802 2013-06-19 15:09:39 <coingenuity> awesome sipa <3
 803 2013-06-19 15:09:48 <coingenuity> i owe you about 10 beers now
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 805 2013-06-19 15:10:49 <Scrat> 30 mb wallet.dat
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 807 2013-06-19 15:11:05 <coingenuity> awesome
 808 2013-06-19 15:11:09 <coingenuity> that reindex is /really/ fast
 809 2013-06-19 15:11:11 <Scrat> when do I start experiencing slowness?
 810 2013-06-19 15:11:11 <sipa> coingenuity: also, you can interrupt the reindex and continue later
 811 2013-06-19 15:11:42 <coingenuity> sipa: ya, i figured since it's rebuilding it wont hurt to interrupt...but that's pretty sweet
 812 2013-06-19 15:11:51 <coingenuity> it's indexing from .dat ~> leveldb ya?
 813 2013-06-19 15:12:38 <sipa> coingenuity: correct, it rebuilds the block index based on blocks it finds in blocks/blk*.dat, and simultaneously connects those blocks (causing them to be verifying and rebuilding of the UTXO set)
 814 2013-06-19 15:12:56 <coingenuity> ah, cool
 815 2013-06-19 15:13:05 <coingenuity> thats kind of what i expected
 816 2013-06-19 15:13:12 <coingenuity> (as i was moving from another node over)
 817 2013-06-19 15:14:09 <coingenuity> that's awesome sipa - i am looking at it eating exactly 1000mb of ram in htop :D
 818 2013-06-19 15:14:19 <sipa> that's very accidental then
 819 2013-06-19 15:14:20 <epscy> coingenuity: what AMD APU do you have?
 820 2013-06-19 15:14:26 <porquilho> coingenuity are you the developer of bitcoinity.org ?
 821 2013-06-19 15:14:42 <coingenuity> epscy: its an e350 i think
 822 2013-06-19 15:14:42 <sipa> the memory size is just using a heuristic (which is known to be off for larger values)
 823 2013-06-19 15:14:49 <coingenuity> porquilho: no, just a friend of his, why?
 824 2013-06-19 15:15:28 <Scrat> who here has dealt with massive wallets?
 825 2013-06-19 15:15:41 <coingenuity> Scrat: not me!
 826 2013-06-19 15:15:42 <sipa> Scrat: phantomcircuit
 827 2013-06-19 15:15:42 <coingenuity> hehehe
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 829 2013-06-19 15:15:54 <porquilho> coingenuity just curious
 830 2013-06-19 15:16:02 <sipa> Scrat: largest problem is a startup, afaik, with ~ >10000 keys
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 832 2013-06-19 15:16:19 <coingenuity> ^ has its issues
 833 2013-06-19 15:16:22 <coingenuity> but also, sipa....
 834 2013-06-19 15:16:31 <coingenuity> blockchain corruption is a big problem starting in 0.8
 835 2013-06-19 15:16:43 <coingenuity> i have no clue what causes it, i think some malformed transactions
 836 2013-06-19 15:16:43 <sipa> coingenuity: yes, and i don't understand why
 837 2013-06-19 15:16:55 <sipa> coingenuity: my guess is crappy hardware, actually
 838 2013-06-19 15:17:00 <phantomcircuit> sipa, wat
 839 2013-06-19 15:17:02 <phantomcircuit> oh yeah
 840 2013-06-19 15:17:06 <sipa> with 0.7 we saw more reports of people just getting stuck
 841 2013-06-19 15:17:06 <phantomcircuit> Scrat, what about them
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 843 2013-06-19 15:17:11 <coingenuity> sipa: yeah, bad pages or hw could cause it
 844 2013-06-19 15:17:19 <sipa> now it's more people complaining that their chainstate got corrupted
 845 2013-06-19 15:17:23 <phantomcircuit> coingenuity, put that shit on ZFS
 846 2013-06-19 15:17:25 <phantomcircuit> seriously
 847 2013-06-19 15:17:28 <Scrat> phantomcircuit: when does it start getting slow in normal operation?
 848 2013-06-19 15:17:28 <Luke-Jr> sipa: I think there's something more than just bad hw
 849 2013-06-19 15:17:33 <sipa> Luke-Jr: maybe
 850 2013-06-19 15:17:35 <coingenuity> ^
 851 2013-06-19 15:17:38 <phantomcircuit> i dont trust bitcoind to operate correctly with a corrupt blockchain
 852 2013-06-19 15:17:39 <sipa> Luke-Jr: but i have no better explanation yet
 853 2013-06-19 15:17:46 <coingenuity> sipa: im running a BRAND NEW high end rig /just/ for bitcoind
 854 2013-06-19 15:17:52 <coingenuity> i can't see anything bad in the hw there
 855 2013-06-19 15:18:00 <sipa> and your chain got corrupted?
 856 2013-06-19 15:18:06 <coingenuity> like, 10 times
 857 2013-06-19 15:18:09 <sipa> wut
 858 2013-06-19 15:18:12 <phantomcircuit> Scrat, depends on what normal is for you, if you just have a lot of keys then really only the load time is an issue, if you have a lot of transactions then... everything is an issue
 859 2013-06-19 15:18:12 <Luke-Jr> lol
 860 2013-06-19 15:18:12 <coingenuity> yeah...
 861 2013-06-19 15:18:20 <sipa> all reports i've heard were always on osx/windows
 862 2013-06-19 15:18:20 <Luke-Jr> coingenuity: what OS?
 863 2013-06-19 15:18:25 <coingenuity> Luke-Jr: linux
 864 2013-06-19 15:18:30 <Luke-Jr> sipa: mine was Linux
 865 2013-06-19 15:18:32 <coingenuity> newest kernels and such
 866 2013-06-19 15:18:33 <jgarzik> coingenuity, reproducible corruption?  on what Linux version?
 867 2013-06-19 15:18:38 <sipa> Luke-Jr: well, almost all
 868 2013-06-19 15:18:47 <Scrat> phantomcircuit: both, but I'm brute forcing it with hardware so far. and I don't know if 30 MB qualifies as big
 869 2013-06-19 15:18:48 <coingenuity> jgarzik: not sure if reproducable, i spoke with gmaxwell about it a while ago
 870 2013-06-19 15:18:59 <coingenuity> jgarzik: 12.04LTS
 871 2013-06-19 15:19:06 <phantomcircuit> Scrat, 30MB is tiny
 872 2013-06-19 15:19:06 <sipa> coingenuity: bitcoind/bitcoin-qt?
 873 2013-06-19 15:19:14 <coingenuity> either/or
 874 2013-06-19 15:19:22 <sipa> running at shutdown?
 875 2013-06-19 15:19:26 <coingenuity> nope
 876 2013-06-19 15:19:27 <phantomcircuit> Scrat, make sure you're on 0.8.x and make sure you have ram for the entire blockchain
 877 2013-06-19 15:19:38 <coingenuity> sipa: it pops up a chainstate-error out of the blue, then fails
 878 2013-06-19 15:19:49 <coingenuity> sipa: but it doesnt segfault or cease operations, i.e. still responds to API calls
 879 2013-06-19 15:19:59 <Scrat> phantomcircuit: ah right, a cached blockchain
 880 2013-06-19 15:20:00 <coingenuity> bitcoind is better, it fails gracefully..
 881 2013-06-19 15:20:02 <sipa> coingenuity: very interesting
 882 2013-06-19 15:20:16 <coingenuity> sipa: yeah, quite troublesome
 883 2013-06-19 15:20:17 <sipa> coingenuity: so not at startup, but during operation?
 884 2013-06-19 15:20:20 <coingenuity> exactly
 885 2013-06-19 15:20:28 <coingenuity> after days, weeks, or months of smooth operation
 886 2013-06-19 15:20:29 <sipa> remarkable
 887 2013-06-19 15:20:33 <coingenuity> *poop* it goes
 888 2013-06-19 15:20:39 <coingenuity> yeah, its bizarre
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 890 2013-06-19 15:21:00 <coingenuity> i wish i'd held onto some of the debug logs i produced at various times during this process
 891 2013-06-19 15:21:09 <coingenuity> next time it happens, i'll pastebin whatever i can dig up
 892 2013-06-19 15:21:12 <sipa> i've never been able to reproduce a corruption myself, except by writing random crap to the leveldb files at runtime
 893 2013-06-19 15:21:22 <sipa> and that's on a laptop that frequently overheats...
 894 2013-06-19 15:21:36 <coingenuity> exactly - if this was crappy HW i could blame it on that
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 896 2013-06-19 15:21:47 <coingenuity> but it's a brand new machine, very high end, only a few months old
 897 2013-06-19 15:21:48 <sipa> i know "works for me" isn't a good response, but i have no clue what causes it
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 900 2013-06-19 15:22:12 <coingenuity> absolutely, it's a strange phenominon(sp)
 901 2013-06-19 15:22:15 <sipa> anything in particular you do with it?
 902 2013-06-19 15:22:22 <sipa> specific RPC calls, for example
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 910 2013-06-19 15:24:15 <coingenuity> just the usual, getinfo type stuff, but in rather higher than usual volumes...can't imagine that'd cause any chainstate corruption
 911 2013-06-19 15:24:33 <sipa> it shouldn't, but it's not my typical workload at least
 912 2013-06-19 15:24:34 <jgarzik> could create an RPC to call  VerifyDB() during runtime
 913 2013-06-19 15:24:45 <sipa> jgarzik: ACK
 914 2013-06-19 15:24:52 <jgarzik> getinfo has "interesting" locking issues
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 916 2013-06-19 15:25:21 <coingenuity> when i poked around a little it /seems/ to my untrained eyes that it has something to do with gigantic and possibly malformed transactions in the in/output history of something in my wallet
 917 2013-06-19 15:25:26 <sipa> how so? it grabs cs_main and cs_wallet, just like everything else
 918 2013-06-19 15:25:26 <jgarzik> pulls info from a bunch of unrelated information domains
 919 2013-06-19 15:25:37 <sipa> coingenuity: wait, what error do you exactly get?
 920 2013-06-19 15:25:45 <jgarzik> sipa, pretty sure some of the minor information is read unlocked, like node info
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 922 2013-06-19 15:25:51 <sipa> jgarzik: ha, true
 923 2013-06-19 15:25:55 <coingenuity> sipa: off the top of my head, memory serving, "database corrupt"
 924 2013-06-19 15:26:04 <coingenuity> and then you click ok, ~> segfault
 925 2013-06-19 15:26:19 <sipa> ok, i'd like to see the exact error if it appears again
 926 2013-06-19 15:26:20 <wallet43> anyone using Bitmessage?
 927 2013-06-19 15:26:31 <sipa> coingenuity: and a dump of debug.log as well too, if possible
 928 2013-06-19 15:26:40 <coingenuity> you know it bud, i'll make sure i do both next time it occurs
 929 2013-06-19 15:26:52 <coingenuity> quite a unique little bug lol
 930 2013-06-19 15:27:04 <jgarzik> wallet43, bitmessage is cute
 931 2013-06-19 15:27:53 <TD> sipa: it does use initerror? and do we really want to waste translators time on command line error messages? :/
 932 2013-06-19 15:28:23 <sipa> TD: ?
 933 2013-06-19 15:28:37 <TD> i can add the _ just for consistency, but it seems like we should just not translate anything that only expert/command line users would see
 934 2013-06-19 15:28:38 <sipa> i see fprintf() and return.
 935 2013-06-19 15:28:48 <wallet43> jgarzik do you mean it pejorative?
 936 2013-06-19 15:28:56 <TD> in bitcoind.cpp, yes, but that's only for the case where you are sending an RPC from the command line
 937 2013-06-19 15:29:10 <TD> in init.cpp it uses InitError. Nothing else in bitcoind.cpp on that codepath uses InitError so i thought it didn't work
 938 2013-06-19 15:29:16 <Scrat> jgarzik: out of curiosity, what you currently working on?
 939 2013-06-19 15:29:23 <sipa> TD: aargh, missed that it wasn't init.cpp - sorry
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 943 2013-06-19 15:29:51 <coingenuity> god, your charts are scary-lookin right now sipa.... talking to you reminded me that ASICs exist and so do your mining charts
 944 2013-06-19 15:30:07 <wallet43> Host moorcock.freenet.net not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
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 957 2013-06-19 15:52:55 <Tykling> jgarzik: what's the reason an older version of python-bitcoinrpc is needed here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=158105.0 ? is it still relevant or is the latest fine ?
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 959 2013-06-19 15:54:04 <jgarzik> Tykling, latest should be fine
 960 2013-06-19 15:54:14 <Tykling> oh wonderful, thanks :)
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 968 2013-06-19 15:58:33 <Tykling> jgarzik: on a related note, do you know if python3 is required or if 2.7 is sufficient ?
 969 2013-06-19 15:59:04 <jgarzik> Tykling, I test on python 2.7
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 971 2013-06-19 15:59:14 <jgarzik> Tykling, want it to work with python 3 also, but not high priority
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 974 2013-06-19 15:59:33 <Tykling> okay, I ask because you explicitly said python3 in the post I linked above
 975 2013-06-19 15:59:38 <Tykling> thanks again :)
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 979 2013-06-19 16:04:18 <Luke-Jr> jgarzik: unlikely. last I checked, bitcoinrpc git was broken still
 980 2013-06-19 16:04:38 <Luke-Jr> Tykling: Eloipool only supports 3.1+
 981 2013-06-19 16:04:43 <Luke-Jr> 3.2+ now actually
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 983 2013-06-19 16:05:28 <Luke-Jr> jgarzik: this prevents it from being usable: https://github.com/jgarzik/python-bitcoinrpc/pull/11
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1000 2013-06-19 16:24:27 <jgarzik> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'boost::exception_detail::clone_impl<boost::exception_detail::error_info_injector<boost::lock_error> >'
1001 2013-06-19 16:24:28 <jgarzik>   what():  boost::lock_error
1002 2013-06-19 16:24:28 <jgarzik> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'boost::exception_detail::clone_impl<boost::exception_detail::error_info_injector<boost::lock_error> >'
1003 2013-06-19 16:24:28 <jgarzik>   what():  boost::lock_error
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1083 2013-06-19 18:13:21 <phantomcircuit> lol
1084 2013-06-19 18:13:30 <phantomcircuit> trying to make the java gc behave in a reasonable way
1085 2013-06-19 18:13:36 <phantomcircuit> what a silly design
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1105 2013-06-19 18:27:02 <The_Fly> hm, i encrypt a wallet, bicoind restarts, but it appears to not be encrypted
1106 2013-06-19 18:27:30 <The_Fly> then i try getnewaddress and i see error: {"code":-1,"message":"ReserveKeyFromKeyPool() : unknown key in key pool"}
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1109 2013-06-19 18:28:46 <The_Fly> very strange
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1115 2013-06-19 18:30:34 <The_Fly> anyone able to help?
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1117 2013-06-19 18:31:10 <sipa> define "appears to not be encrypted" ?
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1119 2013-06-19 18:32:07 <The_Fly> ah sorry, i haven't tried a transaction
1120 2013-06-19 18:32:12 <The_Fly> so incorrect assumption on my part
1121 2013-06-19 18:32:19 <The_Fly> then the issue is with this error...
1122 2013-06-19 18:32:29 <The_Fly> what caused it, and what is the remedy
1123 2013-06-19 18:32:30 <sipa> the error is worrysome
1124 2013-06-19 18:32:33 <The_Fly> indeed
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1126 2013-06-19 18:32:40 <sipa> which code version?
1127 2013-06-19 18:32:53 <The_Fly> latest master, let me check though
1128 2013-06-19 18:33:13 <The_Fly> and actually, without trying a transaction i could not run walletpassphrase
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1130 2013-06-19 18:33:23 <The_Fly> hence why i said "appears" not to be encrypted
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1132 2013-06-19 18:34:01 <The_Fly> (and i can dump privkey without unlocking)
1133 2013-06-19 18:34:40 <The_Fly> i might kill the wallet and import the key again...
1134 2013-06-19 18:34:45 <The_Fly> see what happens
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1138 2013-06-19 18:34:57 <The_Fly> (erm, not kill, back up...)
1139 2013-06-19 18:34:58 <The_Fly> lol
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1142 2013-06-19 18:37:36 <The_Fly> rescan on a new wallet is a bit silly too
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1144 2013-06-19 18:38:04 <The_Fly> blockchain is up to date, create new wallet, unnecessary to rescan right?
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1148 2013-06-19 18:43:03 <enigmuriatic> is there any easy way to group addresses based on shared public keys?
1149 2013-06-19 18:44:04 <sipa> listaddressgroupings
1150 2013-06-19 18:44:22 <The_Fly> ...rescan still going
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1153 2013-06-19 18:44:57 <enigmuriatic> i guess it doesn't matter because bitcoin-qt generates a new pubkey for each tx, right?
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1155 2013-06-19 18:45:21 <The_Fly> for change it should
1156 2013-06-19 18:45:24 <sipa> enigmuriatic: for change outputs, sure
1157 2013-06-19 18:45:34 <sipa> enigmuriatic: for anything else, it's your responsability
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1159 2013-06-19 18:47:02 <enigmuriatic> sipa, but there's no way in standard btc software that multiple addresses would have the same pubkey?
1160 2013-06-19 18:47:14 <enigmuriatic> because, barring change accounts, you're using the same account, right?
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1164 2013-06-19 18:48:10 <The_Fly> hrmmm and importprivkey just sits there
1165 2013-06-19 18:48:18 <sipa> enigmuriatic: every address has exactly one keypair
1166 2013-06-19 18:48:29 <kadoban> The_Fly: import takes a while, it does a rescan unless you tell it not to
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1168 2013-06-19 18:48:40 <sipa> enigmuriatic: and if you want to keep addresses really unlinked, use separate wallets
1169 2013-06-19 18:48:41 <enigmuriatic> sipa, ah right, because the address is just a hash of the pubkey, right?
1170 2013-06-19 18:48:44 <sipa> correct
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1174 2013-06-19 18:48:54 <The_Fly> kadoban: thanks, i figured it would do a rescan (default option is true)
1175 2013-06-19 18:49:01 <The_Fly> is there a way to batch import keys?
1176 2013-06-19 18:49:10 <enigmuriatic> sipa, that's not my goal, i'm doing research (and therefore i'm trying to link, not unlink :P )
1177 2013-06-19 18:49:11 <The_Fly> so that rescan will process each key in the import batch?
1178 2013-06-19 18:49:29 <sipa> The_Fly: soon
1179 2013-06-19 18:49:31 <The_Fly> k
1180 2013-06-19 18:49:56 <The_Fly> non-urgent but would be convenient
1181 2013-06-19 18:49:57 <sipa> The_Fly: #2592
1182 2013-06-19 18:50:04 <The_Fly> ty sipa
1183 2013-06-19 18:50:34 <The_Fly> that error is still a bit worrying
1184 2013-06-19 18:50:45 <The_Fly> "ReserveKeyFromKeyPool() : unknown key in key pool"
1185 2013-06-19 18:51:17 <The_Fly> i'll load the wallet in master and confirm, although the wallet might already be in a bad state (for whatever reason)
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1197 2013-06-19 19:07:49 <Sidnicious> Hey. I'm an online merchant who works with bitcoin purchases a lot (and I've bought things online with bitcoin myself). Issuing refunds is a hassle. We manually get refund addresses from people as needed. I saw one website that let you save a refund address to your account, and another that asked me to sign a message with my sending address to verify myself and get a refund.
1198 2013-06-19 19:08:19 <Sidnicious> Places like satoshi dice automatically use a sending address, from the transaction, which doesn't always work so well with online wallets.
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1200 2013-06-19 19:08:46 <Sidnicious> I'm starting to wonder, would it make sense for clients to be able to annotate transactions with a refund address?
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1202 2013-06-19 19:09:19 <sipa> Sidnicious: the payment protocol that is being developed is intended to automate things like that
1203 2013-06-19 19:09:26 <sipa> by attaching metadata to transactions
1204 2013-06-19 19:09:55 <Sidnicious> Oh, seriously? nice.
1205 2013-06-19 19:10:54 <sipa> right now, it's hard to solve that problem automatically
1206 2013-06-19 19:12:16 <execut3> why does it need to be part of the transaction? can't that information be sent off the blockchain?
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1208 2013-06-19 19:12:57 <sipa> shesek: that's the point
1209 2013-06-19 19:13:11 <sipa> shesek: the payment protocol is off the blockchain
1210 2013-06-19 19:13:21 <The_Fly> sipa: can confirm, v0.8.2-111-gd9ff1cd-beta is behaving strangely
1211 2013-06-19 19:13:33 <The_Fly> i encryptwallet, restart bitcoind, and can dumpprivkey
1212 2013-06-19 19:13:41 <The_Fly> without walletpassphrase
1213 2013-06-19 19:13:43 <sipa> it negotiates a transaction between sender and receiver, and when completed, the bitcoin part of it - without metadata - is sent of to the p2p network
1214 2013-06-19 19:13:59 <shesek> sipa, oh. what payment protocol is that?
1215 2013-06-19 19:14:00 <The_Fly> unless im mistaken this should not be possible with an encrypted wallet
1216 2013-06-19 19:14:05 <shesek> any information on the wiki?
1217 2013-06-19 19:14:09 <The_Fly> and is a fairly serious bug
1218 2013-06-19 19:14:15 <sipa> shesek: https://gist.github.com/gavinandresen/4120476
1219 2013-06-19 19:14:36 <sipa> shesek: gavin's been working on it for a while now
1220 2013-06-19 19:14:42 <The_Fly> i also get the error error: {"code":-1,"message":"ReserveKeyFromKeyPool() : unknown key in key pool"}
1221 2013-06-19 19:15:01 <Sidnicious> sipa: Yeah, I get that there's no nice way to solve it now. I'm hoping that our bitcoin processor'll let us collect a refund address when people buy stuff.
1222 2013-06-19 19:15:07 <The_Fly> will try, again, on ANOTHER fresh wallet
1223 2013-06-19 19:15:14 <Sidnicious> I just read through that gist, it looks pretty awesome.
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1225 2013-06-19 19:16:09 <sipa> Sidnicious: yeah, i think it's desparately needed
1226 2013-06-19 19:17:38 <sipa> The_Fly: confirmed
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1228 2013-06-19 19:18:11 <The_Fly> yes, encryption is broken
1229 2013-06-19 19:18:19 <The_Fly> *wallet encryption
1230 2013-06-19 19:18:26 <The_Fly> i shall log an issue
1231 2013-06-19 19:18:46 <sipa> thanks
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1234 2013-06-19 19:22:23 <The_Fly> so the other issue is this "ReserveKeyFromKeyPool() : unknown key in key pool" problem
1235 2013-06-19 19:22:33 <The_Fly> which i seem to get once i import a privkey
1236 2013-06-19 19:22:38 <sipa> i think they are related
1237 2013-06-19 19:22:41 <The_Fly> oh ok
1238 2013-06-19 19:22:47 <The_Fly> i will add that to the issue
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1241 2013-06-19 19:26:12 <The_Fly> or a new issue... as it needs CLOSED separately
1242 2013-06-19 19:27:34 <jgarzik> The_Fly, ouch.  Thanks for filing an issue.
1243 2013-06-19 19:27:48 <The_Fly> np :)
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1246 2013-06-19 19:29:29 <The_Fly> got a fright since today is the first time i actually bought any bitcoins
1247 2013-06-19 19:30:53 <jgarzik> The_Fly, please mention OS/platform version, plus any lib versions you manually installed (as opposed to installed via OS pkg mgr)
1248 2013-06-19 19:30:58 <jgarzik> in each issue
1249 2013-06-19 19:31:11 <The_Fly> ok will do, shall amend
1250 2013-06-19 19:32:42 <The_Fly> *done*
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1253 2013-06-19 19:35:34 <The_Fly> a regression test to catch encryption breaking again would be good
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1255 2013-06-19 19:35:53 <enigmuriatic> are users full public keys stored anywhere in the blockchain?
1256 2013-06-19 19:37:19 <gwillen> enigmuriatic: for addresses that have not yet spent any coins, no
1257 2013-06-19 19:37:30 <gwillen> once coins from an address have been spent, the full pubkey is in the blockchain
1258 2013-06-19 19:38:06 <enigmuriatic> gwillen, where is it stored?
1259 2013-06-19 19:38:20 <gwillen> in the scriptsig in the spending transaction
1260 2013-06-19 19:38:34 <gwillen> ... I think?
1261 2013-06-19 19:38:35 <sipa> enigmuriatic: it's stored in your wallet
1262 2013-06-19 19:38:37 <enigmuriatic> ah i see it
1263 2013-06-19 19:38:42 <enigmuriatic> yeah, you're right gwillen
1264 2013-06-19 19:38:47 <gwillen> ok cool :-)
1265 2013-06-19 19:38:59 <sipa> enigmuriatic: you put it in transactions that spend an output that requires a signature using that pubkey
1266 2013-06-19 19:39:20 <enigmuriatic> how do they know that's the pubkey the coins were sent to, though?
1267 2013-06-19 19:39:34 <enigmuriatic> if there was no public access of it when you received the coins?
1268 2013-06-19 19:41:34 <jgarzik> 2013-06-19 19:15:48 Keys: 202 plaintext, 0 encrypted, 100 w/ metadata, 202 total
1269 2013-06-19 19:41:34 <jgarzik> 2013-06-19 19:15:48 Keys: 202 plaintext, 0 encrypted, 100 w/ metadata, 202 total
1270 2013-06-19 19:41:34 <jgarzik> 2013-06-19 19:15:48 Keys: 202 plaintext, 0 encrypted, 100 w/ metadata, 202 total
1271 2013-06-19 19:41:34 <jgarzik> 2013-06-19 19:15:48 Keys: 202 plaintext, 0 encrypted, 100 w/ metadata, 202 total
1272 2013-06-19 19:41:34 <jgarzik> 2013-06-19 19:15:48 Keys: 202 plaintext, 0 encrypted, 100 w/ metadata, 202 total
1273 2013-06-19 19:41:35 <jgarzik> Keys: 202 plaintext, 0 encrypted, 100 w/ metadata, 202 total
1274 2013-06-19 19:41:41 <jgarzik> weird
1275 2013-06-19 19:41:46 * jgarzik kicks xchat and OSX
1276 2013-06-19 19:42:50 <sipa> enigmuriatic: they are not sent to a pubkey, they are sent to an address
1277 2013-06-19 19:42:58 <sipa> enigmuriatic: and your wallet knows which addresses it owns
1278 2013-06-19 19:43:13 <sipa> the pubkey is only provided in order to prove you owned that address
1279 2013-06-19 19:43:52 <Mad7Scientist> Why do my transactions done with 0.8 now show up in 0.7 or why does 0.7 not update the block chain?
1280 2013-06-19 19:44:12 <enigmuriatic> sipa, ah i see. because the address is a hash of the pubkey
1281 2013-06-19 19:44:57 <enigmuriatic> Mad7Scientist, are you looking for old transactions? starting with 0.8 it no longer stores a full record of the blockchain
1282 2013-06-19 19:45:19 <sipa> Mad7Scientist: is 0.7 up to date?
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1285 2013-06-19 19:47:55 <Mad7Scientist> it is 0.7.2
1286 2013-06-19 19:48:07 <sipa> yes, but is is synchronized with the chain?
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1288 2013-06-19 19:48:27 <Mad7Scientist> well the problem may be that it won't synchronize
1289 2013-06-19 19:48:35 <sipa> what happens?
1290 2013-06-19 19:48:45 <The_Fly> hm, and this is very strange, ive imported both my keys, rescan, only one of the transactions shows up
1291 2013-06-19 19:49:04 <Mad7Scientist> well the updating bar went away then the spinning circles tool tip said that I am still 62 days behind
1292 2013-06-19 19:49:11 <The_Fly> both addressess still show up transactions in blockchain.info
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1294 2013-06-19 19:49:28 <sipa> The_Fly: brrrr
1295 2013-06-19 19:49:31 <Mad7Scientist> Running 0.7.2 and 0.8 from the same bitcoin directory won't harm anything will it?
1296 2013-06-19 19:49:37 <sipa> Mad7Scientist: at the same time?
1297 2013-06-19 19:49:43 <Mad7Scientist> not at the same time
1298 2013-06-19 19:49:47 <sipa> ok, should be fine
1299 2013-06-19 19:49:55 <The_Fly> error: {"code":-5,"message":"Invalid or non-wallet transaction id"}
1300 2013-06-19 19:49:57 <The_Fly> hmmm
1301 2013-06-19 19:50:05 <sipa> but i don't feel like doing tech support for 0.7 anymore
1302 2013-06-19 19:50:10 <The_Fly> after importing keys, and restart with -rescan for safety
1303 2013-06-19 19:51:11 <The_Fly> address even shows up in getaddressesbyaccount after importprivkey
1304 2013-06-19 19:51:25 <sipa> he
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1306 2013-06-19 19:52:07 <The_Fly> arg
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1312 2013-06-19 20:03:05 <The_Fly> ok, seems bitcoind skipped the first rescan
1313 2013-06-19 20:03:20 <The_Fly> running it second time round it actually performed the rescan
1314 2013-06-19 20:03:37 <The_Fly> phew, my BTC are safe
1315 2013-06-19 20:03:46 * sipa does the testnet song
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1319 2013-06-19 20:05:43 * jgarzik bisects
1320 2013-06-19 20:06:05 <jgarzik> Every time I bisect, I am glad we have a sane commit practice
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1322 2013-06-19 20:06:33 <Diablo-D3> heh
1323 2013-06-19 20:07:10 <The_Fly> git-bisect looks useful, never knew about it until now
1324 2013-06-19 20:08:01 <jgarzik> it's a lifesaver
1325 2013-06-19 20:08:20 <jgarzik> it can even be automated.  bisect can run a script for each bisection, to build and test automatically
1326 2013-06-19 20:08:21 <The_Fly> did you write a new test and run bisect with that?
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1328 2013-06-19 20:08:38 <Ry4an> it, like just about anything with well though out UI in git, started out as a Mercurial feature :)
1329 2013-06-19 20:08:55 <Ry4an> Wait till git gets phases; you'll love 'em. :)
1330 2013-06-19 20:09:00 * Ry4an stops
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1332 2013-06-19 20:09:18 <jgarzik> mercurial is matt mackall, right?  He's a great Linux hacker, too.
1333 2013-06-19 20:09:42 <sipa> don't antropomorphise computer programs
1334 2013-06-19 20:09:44 <sipa> they hate that
1335 2013-06-19 20:09:47 <Ry4an> :)
1336 2013-06-19 20:10:05 <Ry4an> Yeah, Matt's a friend of sorts.  He's good people.
1337 2013-06-19 20:10:55 <jgarzik> :)
1338 2013-06-19 20:11:17 <jgarzik> He's been to at least one kernel summit, as I recall (invite-only event for top kernel hackers)
1339 2013-06-19 20:11:25 <jgarzik> blue-ish hair at the time, IIRC
1340 2013-06-19 20:12:09 <Ry4an> THat'd be him.
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1344 2013-06-19 20:15:00 * Luke-Jr has a PHP script to assist Windows users with bisects by building full release ZIPs :P
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1346 2013-06-19 20:15:18 <The_Fly> hehe
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1349 2013-06-19 20:16:43 <The_Fly> ah tortoisegit
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1383 2013-06-19 20:56:42 <sipa> jgarzik: heh, i don't see anything in that commit that should/could cause semantic change :(
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1385 2013-06-19 20:57:19 <jgarzik> sipa, indeed, but clearly I missed something...
1386 2013-06-19 20:57:52 <jgarzik> sipa, re-read the change several times.  Now I'm running through EncryptWallet() process, trying to understand how the problem might crop up
1387 2013-06-19 21:00:57 <jgarzik> sipa, C++ OOP helpfully makes that opaque :/  EncryptWallet() calls EncryptKeys() in keystore, which calls AddCryptedKey, which is overridden in CWallet
1388 2013-06-19 21:01:38 <jgarzik> sipa, anyway, brain fried, will resume figuring out problem later
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1476 2013-06-19 23:08:30 <pierce> anyone any good at reading math papers? http://hal.inria.fr/hal-00835446/
1477 2013-06-19 23:09:08 <pierce> "quasi"-polynomial discrete log solving, curious what impact it would have on ECDSA -> forging bitcoin transactions
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1508 2013-06-19 23:29:09 <bitanarchy> why would you use a tor hidden electrum server? you can use tor to access any electrum server right
1509 2013-06-19 23:29:42 <owowo> to hide the eclectrum server
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