1 2013-07-06 00:01:42 <gmaxwell> TradeFortress: you haven't said anything that sounded like that.
2 2013-07-06 00:01:54 <gmaxwell> can you post your debug.log or the part you think is interesting?
3 2013-07-06 00:02:00 <TradeFortress> lemme pastebin it
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5 2013-07-06 00:04:02 <TradeFortress> http://patebin.com/F6W7Gw54
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7 2013-07-06 00:04:51 <TradeFortress> the 94.242 IP is a comment spammer too
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9 2013-07-06 00:06:04 <gmaxwell> looks harmless. most likely unrelated.
10 2013-07-06 00:06:14 <gmaxwell> What RPC calls have you been making?
11 2013-07-06 00:07:05 <TradeFortress> anything. getinfo, getbalance, even stop.
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13 2013-07-06 00:08:29 <gmaxwell> TradeFortress: Right. I meant _prior_ to rpc going unresponsive?
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15 2013-07-06 00:10:51 <TradeFortress> as in when I last saw a ThredRPCServer log?
16 2013-07-06 00:11:31 <TradeFortress> that was when I got a flood of trying connectin, connection timeout messages
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19 2013-07-06 00:11:51 <TradeFortress> actually
20 2013-07-06 00:12:24 <TradeFortress> It looks like bitcoind tried to disconnect every single node
21 2013-07-06 00:12:34 <gmaxwell> TradeFortress: Please answer my question.
22 2013-07-06 00:12:48 <TradeFortress> gmaxwell, Just getbalance calls and I think it made a transaction
23 2013-07-06 00:13:39 <gmaxwell> hm. okay. I'll see if I can deadlock one here with getblanace calls.
24 2013-07-06 00:13:58 <TradeFortress> What about all the disconnecting node messages?
25 2013-07-06 00:14:11 <TradeFortress> Something trigged a flood of constant disconnecting: errors and that was when I stopped getting getbalance calls
26 2013-07-06 00:14:35 <gmaxwell> TradeFortress: thats just something that isn't a bitcoin node connecting to you and giving up. This happens all the time because the internet is the internet.
27 2013-07-06 00:14:54 <gmaxwell> It may be coincidental or not.
28 2013-07-06 00:14:54 <TradeFortress> It's not one node. It's a bunch of nodes.
29 2013-07-06 00:15:06 <TradeFortress> I think it may have disconnected from every single peer it was connected to.
30 2013-07-06 00:15:11 <TradeFortress> pastebin.com/vbpu3hUP
31 2013-07-06 00:15:37 <gmaxwell> you're deadlocked.
32 2013-07-06 00:15:57 <gmaxwell> Your peers are hanging up on you because you've stopped responding, I assume.
33 2013-07-06 00:16:55 <TradeFortress> Hmm, that explanation makes sense
34 2013-07-06 00:17:22 <TradeFortress> It made a transaction (sendtoaddress) right before the deadlock
35 2013-07-06 00:17:42 <gmaxwell> we've had a number of rpc deadlock bugs in the not so distant past, I assume you've hit another related to the getbalance calls and/or sending transactions.
36 2013-07-06 00:18:00 <gmaxwell> Maybe mixed with connections going up and down. hard to tell.
37 2013-07-06 00:18:13 <gmaxwell> TradeFortress: is it still running? and is this in *nix? and if so do you have gdb?
38 2013-07-06 00:18:21 <gmaxwell> Getting a backtrace in all the threads might be useful.
39 2013-07-06 00:18:32 <TradeFortress> It's not running, I had to stop and restart.
40 2013-07-06 00:19:11 <gmaxwell> TradeFortress: okay, if it happens again we may be able to get some useful info from it. Otherwiseâ I'm trying to reproduce now. I have getbalance running in a loop on a node.
41 2013-07-06 00:19:47 <TradeFortress> OK. this happened twice actually
42 2013-07-06 00:21:08 <TradeFortress> Is there anything you can recommend me to do so bitcoind doesn't deadlock again?
43 2013-07-06 00:21:10 <gmaxwell> any chance that you know that both times were in proximity to sendtoaddress?
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45 2013-07-06 00:21:26 <TradeFortress> will look into that.
46 2013-07-06 00:21:26 <gmaxwell> TradeFortress: help us diagnose the problem and fix the bug. :)
47 2013-07-06 00:21:40 <gmaxwell> TradeFortress: is this with an encrypted wallet?
48 2013-07-06 00:22:05 <TradeFortress> No
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50 2013-07-06 00:22:28 <gmaxwell> TradeFortress: what OS?
51 2013-07-06 00:22:36 <TradeFortress> Ubuntu 12.04 LTS
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53 2013-07-06 00:23:10 <gmaxwell> TradeFortress: install gdb if you don't have it already. If it deadlocks again people here can help you get a backtrace in all your threads which should tell us a lot about why its stuck.
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56 2013-07-06 00:23:58 <TradeFortress> OK
57 2013-07-06 00:24:21 <TradeFortress> Would it be a good idea to downgrade bitcoind for the moment as I don't want to get bitcoind down again
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59 2013-07-06 00:25:06 <CheckDavid> Hello
60 2013-07-06 00:25:28 <gmaxwell> TradeFortress: I think it's fairly unlikely that 0.8.3 introduced your deadlock. Older versions will leave you exposed to known crashes.
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62 2013-07-06 00:28:11 <CheckDavid> IS the bitcoin protocol changed through the course of it's history»?
63 2013-07-06 00:28:32 <TradeFortress> Well, there is block version 2
64 2013-07-06 00:29:07 <CheckDavid> If so, up to which extent can it be changed?
65 2013-07-06 00:30:03 <gmaxwell> CheckDavid: What do you mean by protocol?
66 2013-07-06 00:30:16 <CheckDavid> I don't know exactly to be honest
67 2013-07-06 00:30:22 <CheckDavid> But I would say the rules of the network?
68 2013-07-06 00:30:26 <CheckDavid> and how it is programmed?
69 2013-07-06 00:31:34 <gmaxwell> So, the node to node protocol is not terribly important and can be easily changed. The rules of the distributed algorithim are very difficulty to change and must be the same everywhere.
70 2013-07-06 00:32:23 <CheckDavid> So, how is something changed without a central authority?
71 2013-07-06 00:33:03 <gmaxwell> The blockchain rules are only somewhat easily made more restrictive. They've never been changed in a way that made them less restrictive, except kinda sorta onceâ where some kinds of large blocks were non-determinstically rejected and that was fixed, effectively making the rules less restrictive.
72 2013-07-06 00:33:46 <jrmithdobbs> gmaxwell: that was a regression that was introduced though wasn't it?
73 2013-07-06 00:33:50 <CheckDavid> And how are the changes made effective on the network?
74 2013-07-06 00:33:56 <jrmithdobbs> oh no nm i remember what that was
75 2013-07-06 00:34:02 <gmaxwell> CheckDavid: To make the rules more restrictive what can happen is that a super majority of the nodes forming blocks can start enforcing the more restrictive rules. Because more restrictive is a subset, existing nodes accept the blocks they produce.
76 2013-07-06 00:34:18 <jrmithdobbs> that was the bdb craziness, iirc
77 2013-07-06 00:34:29 <gmaxwell> To make the rules less restrictive all node software must be upgraded.
78 2013-07-06 00:34:37 <CheckDavid> I see, and how do the nodes start operating in such a way?
79 2013-07-06 00:34:43 <CheckDavid> I mean, as a majority.
80 2013-07-06 00:34:59 <CheckDavid> Is it a client change?
81 2013-07-06 00:35:07 <gmaxwell> Yes.
82 2013-07-06 00:35:09 <CheckDavid> Is it in the client coding?
83 2013-07-06 00:35:10 <CheckDavid> oh
84 2013-07-06 00:35:38 <CheckDavid> I think I understand it a bit better now
85 2013-07-06 00:35:46 <gmaxwell> We can coordinate behavior changes by time â e.g. after day XXXX behavior changes to Y. Or by blockchain consensus, e.g. having the blocks contain a flag that indicates a willingness to change, and changing once the last X blocks have the flag.
86 2013-07-06 00:36:16 <CheckDavid> Very interesting. I was confused as to how a network would govern itself.
87 2013-07-06 00:36:21 <gmaxwell> The latter is mostly useful for the "more restrictive" (we call them 'soft forking') changes, since the thing that matters most for those is mining nodes' willingness to impose the new rules.
88 2013-07-06 00:37:01 <gmaxwell> CheckDavid: well none of this answers 'govern'â this is implementation. The actual governance is people's willingness to install new software that has the new behavior.
89 2013-07-06 00:37:35 <CheckDavid> Exactly, I thought that was implied
90 2013-07-06 00:38:10 <gmaxwell> And how that works out in the long term is unclear.
91 2013-07-06 00:38:48 <CheckDavid> What do you think is especially unclear?
92 2013-07-06 00:39:39 <gmaxwell> None of the changes anyone competent has wanted to make have been honestly controversial. "Governance" is sort of an uninteresting question when everyone violently agrees. :)
93 2013-07-06 00:40:12 <gmaxwell> It may be the case that an actually controversial protocol rule change is not possible. (I think this is both desirable and likely to be true; but its not possible to tell)
94 2013-07-06 00:40:40 <CheckDavid> What you mean is that the network generally tends to accept "good" and benefitial changes without much resistance?
95 2013-07-06 00:41:03 <xenland> The lack of understanding of the changes could be a contributing factor to the unknowingness of governance
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97 2013-07-06 00:42:34 <TradeFortress> Hm, I have just figured out how weird bitcoind is when it handles a transaction with multiple outputs to multiple accounts
98 2013-07-06 00:42:45 <TradeFortress> Horray for peerbet sending 30 different outputs or so!
99 2013-07-06 00:44:30 <gmaxwell> xenland: it's a major risk factor in fact. There are a lot of things about bitcoin which are fairly subtle.
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101 2013-07-06 00:45:55 <gmaxwell> CheckDavid: people happily apply changes that fix serious bugs.
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103 2013-07-06 00:46:30 <CheckDavid> That's good to hear
104 2013-07-06 00:46:41 <gmaxwell> TradeFortress: ... I'm not actually sure what it does in that case. What does it do?
105 2013-07-06 00:46:59 <TradeFortress> I was assuming that a transaction would only have one receiver in my code.
106 2013-07-06 00:48:36 <gmaxwell> oh yea, wellâ that doesn't work. :P
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132 2013-07-06 01:50:20 <phantomcircuit> TradeFortress, how many unconfirmed transactions are there in your wallet when you call getbalance
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134 2013-07-06 01:50:33 <TradeFortress> phantomcircuit, not sure, how do I get that
135 2013-07-06 01:51:04 <phantomcircuit> listtransactions
136 2013-07-06 01:51:09 <phantomcircuit> possibly uh
137 2013-07-06 01:51:32 <phantomcircuit> listtransactions "*" 1000 0
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139 2013-07-06 01:57:50 <TradeFortress> it happened again
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141 2013-07-06 01:59:03 <gmaxwell> TradeFortress: cool. Any idea on the trigger?
142 2013-07-06 01:59:10 <gmaxwell> do you have gdb installed now?
143 2013-07-06 01:59:17 <TradeFortress> yes, but sorry, false alarm
144 2013-07-06 01:59:21 <gmaxwell> darn.
145 2013-07-06 01:59:23 <TradeFortress> I accidently ctrl+c'd
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148 2013-07-06 02:12:02 <imton> guys, why does sipa pull does not show pending txs when calling "searchrawtransactions"
149 2013-07-06 02:12:03 <imton> ?
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465 2013-07-06 15:56:39 <Diablo-D3> http://www.google.com/landing/solarimpulse/
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487 2013-07-06 16:25:40 <Diablo-D3> http://live.solarimpulse.com/
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519 2013-07-06 17:33:26 <JyZyXEL> what was the program called to generate an address with a certain starting characters?
520 2013-07-06 17:35:23 <turboroot> JyZyXEL: vanitygen
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529 2013-07-06 17:55:51 <[7]> are the non-english languages on bitcoin.org automatic translations?
530 2013-07-06 17:55:59 <[7]> the german one is horrible...
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532 2013-07-06 17:58:13 <k9quaint> its probably a french guy doing the translation :P
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600 2013-07-06 20:21:22 <Mqrius> I got a transaction that has 3 different addresses as inputs, and 2 outputs. One of the outputs (the change) is the same address as one if the inputs. Does anyone know which wallet(s) display this behaviour?
601 2013-07-06 20:22:13 <xenland> Could be a manual TX.
602 2013-07-06 20:22:50 <Mqrius> Unlikely in this case, the people behind it are not very technical.
603 2013-07-06 20:24:33 <DoctorBTC> sounds like blockchain.info
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606 2013-07-06 20:25:00 <DoctorBTC> Mqrius: blockchain.info usually sends change back to the main addy for that wallet
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609 2013-07-06 20:25:51 <Mqrius> DoctorBTC: Thanks :)
610 2013-07-06 20:27:34 <DoctorBTC> Mqrius: glad I could actually offer something to this chan...
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617 2013-07-06 20:37:25 <michagogo> Anyone know who runs tpfaucet.appspot.com?
618 2013-07-06 20:38:20 <michagogo> (specifically, I'm wondering what it uses on the backend to handle the tBTC)
619 2013-07-06 20:41:45 <warren> Mqrius: that's possible with satoshi client + coin control
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621 2013-07-06 20:43:16 <Mqrius> warren: fair enough :) although the people that sent this particular transaction aren't very technical, so I'm putting more probability on them just using blockchain.info
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634 2013-07-06 20:54:27 <jouke> Mqrius: multibit or android wallet
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637 2013-07-06 20:58:08 <michagogo> What would happen if there were a transaction with "vout":[]
638 2013-07-06 20:58:09 <michagogo> ?
639 2013-07-06 20:58:15 <michagogo> (with inputs)
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641 2013-07-06 20:58:21 <michagogo> Would it all be fees?
642 2013-07-06 21:00:28 <[7]> basically yes
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