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 241 2013-07-10 06:45:20 <gavinandresen> Anybody know why we've got both readme-qt.md and readme-qt.rst in the tree now?
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 248 2013-07-10 06:52:31 <Fanquake> Actually the other build docs would need to be updated before it's removed
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 674 2013-07-10 15:18:56 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell_/phantomcircuit: mostly sending coins takes FOREVER
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 713 2013-07-10 15:34:06 <TradeFortress> hi, encountered a deadlock agian
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 715 2013-07-10 15:34:32 <TradeFortress> all my deadlock instances was after someone sent coins. pastebinc.om/bPTC7j4C
 716 2013-07-10 15:35:02 <jgarzik> mornin'
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 718 2013-07-10 15:35:07 <helo> (don't click that link)
 719 2013-07-10 15:35:19 <TradeFortress> pastebin.com/bPTC7j4C
 720 2013-07-10 15:35:27 <TradeFortress> you think .om is a TLD?
 721 2013-07-10 15:35:30 <helo> that one looks a little safer ;)
 722 2013-07-10 15:35:59 <TradeFortress> OK, so this is the third time when I've encountered a deadlock. v0.8.3, I even tried using master
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 724 2013-07-10 15:36:15 <TradeFortress> all 3 times has been after someone was sending coins. json-rpc unresponsive, ./bitcoind stop unresponsive, etc.
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 728 2013-07-10 15:36:23 <TradeFortress> I have to kill -9 [pid]
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 730 2013-07-10 15:36:40 <helo> my scammy url alarm apparently overrides my tld evaluator :)
 731 2013-07-10 15:36:55 <jedunnigan> lol
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 733 2013-07-10 15:37:20 <Ry4an> :)
 734 2013-07-10 15:38:10 <BlueMatt> morning jgarzik
 735 2013-07-10 15:38:36 <sturles> Way to forbid bitcoin.  Forbit all kinds of computers, including smartphones, with an internet connection.  Like Florida just did.  http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2013/0155/BillText/er/PDF
 736 2013-07-10 15:38:43 <jgarzik> TradeFortress, how long did you wait, after noticing the freeze, before killing?
 737 2013-07-10 15:38:59 <TradeFortress> jgarzik, this time was ~4 minutes. previously it went on for hours
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 739 2013-07-10 15:39:01 <jgarzik> are
 740 2013-07-10 15:39:03 <jgarzik> arg
 741 2013-07-10 15:39:12 <jgarzik> IRC experts, how to forbid unregistered users from PM'ing?
 742 2013-07-10 15:39:24 <jgarzik>  /umode +R ?
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 745 2013-07-10 15:40:29 <kjj> jgarzik: yes
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 747 2013-07-10 15:41:19 <michagogo> jgarzik: Also see /raw help umode
 748 2013-07-10 15:41:47 <michagogo> (also, umode, if it exists, is only a client alias -- the real command is MODE $nick +R
 749 2013-07-10 15:42:15 <TradeFortress> someone really luvs irc :P
 750 2013-07-10 15:42:57 <michagogo> jgarzik: acddck9!~acddck9@78.137.45.48, gecos acddck9?
 751 2013-07-10 15:43:23 <jgarzik> I hate IRC :)
 752 2013-07-10 15:43:29 <jgarzik> It is a 1980s protocol
 753 2013-07-10 15:43:45 <TradeFortress> but at least it's not propentiary like skype
 754 2013-07-10 15:43:46 <michagogo> jgarzik: Did you get spam from acddck9!~acddck9@78.137.45.48, gecos acddck9 ?
 755 2013-07-10 15:43:53 <TradeFortress> I just did
 756 2013-07-10 15:43:56 <jgarzik> yes
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 759 2013-07-10 15:46:41 <michagogo> \o/
 760 2013-07-10 15:47:08 <TradeFortress> woot
 761 2013-07-10 15:47:18 <TradeFortress> love the kLines
 762 2013-07-10 15:47:37 <michagogo> (I mentioned the spam in #freenode)
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 764 2013-07-10 15:49:30 <michagogo> TradeFortress: What did you ask in #freenode that erry and Pricey answered?
 765 2013-07-10 15:49:52 <TradeFortress> michagogo, "do you know I am actually pirateat40"
 766 2013-07-10 15:50:03 <michagogo> What?
 767 2013-07-10 15:50:06 <TradeFortress> more accurately, "
 768 2013-07-10 15:50:07 <TradeFortress> <TradeFortress> can freenode staff see PMs"
 769 2013-07-10 15:50:47 <TradeFortress> hmm. so what should I do to prevent more deadlocks
 770 2013-07-10 15:51:34 <handle> maybe acddck9 was legit
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 774 2013-07-10 15:53:17 <TradeFortress> omg ipv6!
 775 2013-07-10 15:53:50 <TradeFortress> erm. anyway, my bitcoind has been going down on average every 2 days
 776 2013-07-10 15:54:09 <TradeFortress> I've tried v0.8.3, and master. it's not running out of disk or ram or anything
 777 2013-07-10 15:54:44 <jgarzik> TradeFortress, going down or freezing?
 778 2013-07-10 15:54:57 <TradeFortress> deadlocking.
 779 2013-07-10 15:56:09 <helo> brrrr
 780 2013-07-10 15:56:40 <jgarzik> TradeFortress, what type of RPC activity typifies your site?  Are you hammering RPC with many calls per second, or infrequently calling it?  In your wallet, can you estimate the number of keys, and number of wallet-related transactions in there?
 781 2013-07-10 15:56:58 <jgarzik> TradeFortress, and what RPC calls do you primarily use
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 783 2013-07-10 15:57:38 <TradeFortress> There are 2500 wallets right now, and it generally gets 1-2 getbalance requests per second
 784 2013-07-10 15:58:09 <TradeFortress> does txnotify tell me about unconfirmed txes?
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 786 2013-07-10 15:58:58 <matjeh> why do transactions like this happen? http://blockexplorer.com/tx/f3452985f42a70dba85dd94f9b270ee022f75814a43a3b72c91d09d4416323db
 787 2013-07-10 15:59:18 <matjeh> is this someone messing arround, or can it legitimately happen?
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 789 2013-07-10 15:59:33 <kjj> matjeh: gathering dust
 790 2013-07-10 15:59:54 <kjj> (for loose definitions of "dust")
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 795 2013-07-10 16:01:57 <matjeh> kjj: wouldn't you want every txin to be from a different address to do that properly?
 796 2013-07-10 16:02:03 <jgarzik> TradeFortress, do you mean -walletnotify ?
 797 2013-07-10 16:02:22 <matjeh> strange they're all an exact multiple of 0.01
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 799 2013-07-10 16:04:06 <jgarzik> TradeFortress, -walletnotify is called for any activity on a wallet transaction, whether it's new (just sent out or just received, zero confirms) or updated (made it into a block)
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 801 2013-07-10 16:06:27 <TradeFortress> jgarzik, I see. would it be a better idea to stop calling getbalance and run my own db for unconfirmed?
 802 2013-07-10 16:06:35 <TradeFortress> hm, I don't think that's a good idea actually
 803 2013-07-10 16:07:45 <jgarzik> TradeFortress, I cannot speak to the business rules, but I would only call getbalance after -blocknotify indicates a new block
 804 2013-07-10 16:08:19 <TradeFortress> However, I want users to know their unconfirmed balance too.
 805 2013-07-10 16:08:31 <TradeFortress> Which is the only reason why I am calling getbalance - get unconfirmed coins for account
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 808 2013-07-10 16:09:21 <walch> wouldn't you be better just keeping the balances in an external DB, and updating them whenever you see a -walletnotify?
 809 2013-07-10 16:09:40 <walch> that way you would forgo getbalance altogether.
 810 2013-07-10 16:09:52 <TradeFortress> sure, but how do I handle edge cases?
 811 2013-07-10 16:10:08 <walch> edge cases?
 812 2013-07-10 16:10:14 <TradeFortress> such as double spends
 813 2013-07-10 16:10:22 <TradeFortress> or such as bitcoind was offline for a while to not get a transaction
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 816 2013-07-10 16:11:19 <walch> when the user goes to make a spend, do a double check with getbalance, but assume the external DB is right for display.
 817 2013-07-10 16:11:44 <helo> redundant bitcoind instances ftw
 818 2013-07-10 16:12:23 <TradeFortress> I already keep a seperate DB for user balances
 819 2013-07-10 16:12:38 <TradeFortress> would there be much problems if I do the same for unconf?
 820 2013-07-10 16:13:08 <walch> worries me slightly that you're asking.
 821 2013-07-10 16:13:18 <walch> aren't you running a production wallet service at the moment?
 822 2013-07-10 16:13:44 <jgarzik> TradeFortress is right to closely examine edge cases
 823 2013-07-10 16:13:56 <TradeFortress> yep. I'm actually using the same code I've used for coinlenders which has been running for months
 824 2013-07-10 16:14:35 <jgarzik> bitcoind's function is to keep this database for you, and to get these details right.  The only reason an external DB is being contemplated is as a workaround for an apparent RPC deadlock.  But any workaround needs to follow the same checks/rules...
 825 2013-07-10 16:14:54 <walch> I really hope that you're keeping minute-by-minute backups of your enormous wallet.
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 829 2013-07-10 16:15:19 <jgarzik> walch, That's not necessary at all, presuming the keypool was large to begin with
 830 2013-07-10 16:15:21 <TradeFortress> walch, I have automatic backups of DB and wallet set up, stored redundantly after being encrypted with my public key
 831 2013-07-10 16:15:56 <walch> I suppose that's some comfort.
 832 2013-07-10 16:16:38 <TradeFortress> json-rpc is single threaded?
 833 2013-07-10 16:17:08 <walch> oh dear.
 834 2013-07-10 16:17:18 <walch> Linode, seriously?
 835 2013-07-10 16:18:00 <walch> I hope you know that they've been hacked several times in order to pilfer bitcoin wallets.
 836 2013-07-10 16:18:38 <TradeFortress> walch, I hope you realize the hot pocket isn't on bitcoind
 837 2013-07-10 16:18:56 <TradeFortress> linode is just the web frontend. it runs it's own bitcoind for verifying signed messages and such
 838 2013-07-10 16:20:32 <walch> a bit like building a wooden house at the bottom of a volcano though
 839 2013-07-10 16:20:36 <TradeFortress> Anyway, is bitcoind's jsonrpc interface single threaded?
 840 2013-07-10 16:21:17 <TradeFortress> walch, it prevents people from directly knowing the main server
 841 2013-07-10 16:21:19 <TradeFortress> which we own the metal to
 842 2013-07-10 16:22:28 <walch> a compromise of the Linode instance would still be very problematic
 843 2013-07-10 16:22:53 <walch> even if only to the image of the service
 844 2013-07-10 16:23:18 <TradeFortress> walch, I don't dispute that. AWS seems to have a better reputation for security
 845 2013-07-10 16:23:45 <jgarzik> TradeFortress, yes, RPC is largely single-threaded
 846 2013-07-10 16:24:03 <jgarzik> (details: it is multi-threaded, but the vast majority of calls are behind some locks that effectively make it single-threaded)
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 849 2013-07-10 16:27:20 <jgarzik> Come on, network.  Send me some non-standard transactions for me to ignore.
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 854 2013-07-10 16:44:59 <TradeFortress> sharding for bitcoind: anyone tried this before?
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 899 2013-07-10 17:47:51 <The_Fly> importprivkey is slow for me even with no rescan, does anyone else experience this?
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 902 2013-07-10 17:50:57 <BlueMatt> has anyone given serious thought to how to do double-spend relays for spv nodes (eg for double-spend of dependent transaction?)
 903 2013-07-10 17:51:03 <BlueMatt> TD_: ^
 904 2013-07-10 17:52:18 <jgarzik> gmaxwell, fixed?
 905 2013-07-10 17:52:18 <gmaxwell> Thanks.
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 912 2013-07-10 17:53:15 <sipa> ah!
 913 2013-07-10 17:53:16 <gmaxwell> FWIW, ECCed Fedora19 OpenSSL rpms: https://people.xiph.org/~greg/openssl/fedora19/
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 916 2013-07-10 17:54:03 <gmaxwell> (I'm running F19 now)
 917 2013-07-10 17:54:33 <handle> 13:24 < gmaxwell> FWIW, ECCed Fedora19 OpenSSL rpms: https://people.xiph.org/~greg/openssl/fedora19/
 918 2013-07-10 17:54:39 <handle> lol, if someone non-technical saw this line
 919 2013-07-10 17:54:43 <handle> they'd probably explode
 920 2013-07-10 17:54:55 <gmaxwell> This is -dev. :P
 921 2013-07-10 17:55:00 <handle> true :P
 922 2013-07-10 17:55:20 <sipa> !false
 923 2013-07-10 17:55:20 <gribble> I do not know about 'false', but I do know about these similar topics: 'faucet', 'faq'
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 925 2013-07-10 17:55:34 <handle> but I just found it funny, because though most of the lines here would at least sound english, that one would look like complete gibberish
 926 2013-07-10 17:55:34 <BlueMatt> sipa: well done
 927 2013-07-10 17:55:49 <handle> not false?
 928 2013-07-10 17:56:07 <BlueMatt> (triggered bot)
 929 2013-07-10 17:58:51 <The_Fly> ah gmaxwell you're back
 930 2013-07-10 17:59:00 <The_Fly> it can take a few seconds here actually, disk is quite active during
 931 2013-07-10 18:01:06 <The_Fly> its a bit of a killer, and if i cant get past it i'll have to just watch for transactions and maintain external db
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 935 2013-07-10 18:02:08 <The_Fly> which is not really a problem, but i'd prefer not to
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 937 2013-07-10 18:03:05 <The_Fly> getnewaddress is similarly slow
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 939 2013-07-10 18:03:53 * jgarzik hits the yearly urge to design a better-IRC.  Keep mostly the same protocol structure, but properly packetsize and digitally sign messages
 940 2013-07-10 18:04:18 <The_Fly> bitrc
 941 2013-07-10 18:04:25 <kjj> shouldn't be that hard
 942 2013-07-10 18:04:45 <Eliel> couldn't that be done as an extension?
 943 2013-07-10 18:04:47 <kjj> of course, the temptation to merge IRC with usenet would be too strong for me
 944 2013-07-10 18:04:54 <jgarzik> <shiver>
 945 2013-07-10 18:05:03 <jgarzik> Usenet still exists?
 946 2013-07-10 18:05:04 * jgarzik runs
 947 2013-07-10 18:05:09 <Eliel> well, there's already bitmessage :)
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 950 2013-07-10 18:06:03 <jgarzik> Eliel, bitmessage forces you to transit everybody, just to transit your own community
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 952 2013-07-10 18:06:51 <Eliel> yes, I agree that's a bit inefficient :)
 953 2013-07-10 18:06:51 <kjj> usenet rocks.  all it needs is some spam filtering
 954 2013-07-10 18:07:00 <The_Fly> anyone else experience slow importprivkey atm?
 955 2013-07-10 18:07:00 <gmaxwell> The_Fly: so on stock git as of a few days ago
 956 2013-07-10 18:07:06 <jgarzik> bitmessage needs to move along onto their discussed-but-not-implemented group separation feature (scaling)
 957 2013-07-10 18:07:11 <gmaxwell> $ time ~/src/bcm/bax/src/bitcoind importprivkey 5JZg14x... '' false
 958 2013-07-10 18:07:15 <The_Fly> gmaxwell: i built mind a few days ago
 959 2013-07-10 18:07:21 <The_Fly> *mine
 960 2013-07-10 18:07:22 <gmaxwell> real    0m0.025s
 961 2013-07-10 18:07:23 <gmaxwell> user    0m0.008s
 962 2013-07-10 18:07:25 <The_Fly> hm....
 963 2013-07-10 18:07:28 <The_Fly> let me see
 964 2013-07-10 18:08:20 <jgarzik> The_Fly, the setting of importprivkey's 'rescan' setting is rather important
 965 2013-07-10 18:08:31 <jgarzik> by default, it rescans
 966 2013-07-10 18:08:38 <The_Fly> i know
 967 2013-07-10 18:08:42 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: he said he was setting it though, so...
 968 2013-07-10 18:08:44 <The_Fly> i know this, i am setting it
 969 2013-07-10 18:08:47 <The_Fly> real	0m0.356s
 970 2013-07-10 18:08:47 <The_Fly> user	0m0.004s
 971 2013-07-10 18:08:47 <The_Fly> sys	0m0.008s
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 973 2013-07-10 18:09:10 <The_Fly> let me pull in recent changes and see if that makes a difference
 974 2013-07-10 18:09:16 <The_Fly> it could be the setup, perhaps...
 975 2013-07-10 18:09:56 <gmaxwell> so, my guess is this: you have a large wallet and/or a slow disk. The import forces a flush of the wallet, and this why it's slow for you.
 976 2013-07-10 18:10:21 <The_Fly> i think must be the slow disk, which is what i was wondering
 977 2013-07-10 18:10:36 <The_Fly> and yes, seems wallet flushes every time
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 979 2013-07-10 18:11:05 <The_Fly> 5400rpm laptop harddrive, behind virtualbox
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 981 2013-07-10 18:11:47 <The_Fly> is this likely to get slower as the wallet gets larger?
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 986 2013-07-10 18:12:16 <The_Fly> i notice that you cant remove keys from the wallet, would it help if you could?
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 989 2013-07-10 18:12:39 <gmaxwell> The_Fly: Maybe it will get slower with a larger wallet, but its not slow on a fast disk.
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 991 2013-07-10 18:12:57 <sipa> many addresses only slows startup really
 992 2013-07-10 18:13:01 <The_Fly> thanks
 993 2013-07-10 18:13:15 <sipa> for almost everything else, it's the number of transactions that matters
 994 2013-07-10 18:13:33 <The_Fly> should be no more than 1 per address for me
 995 2013-07-10 18:13:34 <gmaxwell> sipa: well the import seems slow for The_Fly (but not me) because it (quite sanely) flushes the wallet after the import.
 996 2013-07-10 18:13:49 <The_Fly> yes, and an option to disable that would just introduce risk
 997 2013-07-10 18:14:32 <The_Fly> but at least would allow a batch import
 998 2013-07-10 18:14:41 <The_Fly> for me i just need them on-demand
 999 2013-07-10 18:15:02 <The_Fly> i could do a bunch of getnewaddress and fill a database table with addresses to be consumed
1000 2013-07-10 18:15:31 <The_Fly> but its faster to just pipe vanitygen output and have 100k of keys there
1001 2013-07-10 18:16:24 <The_Fly> on small transactions i dont care about confirmations so can avoid bitcoind
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1003 2013-07-10 18:17:09 <gmaxwell> The_Fly: if you're contemplating doing anything where the performance matters; I'd recommend against a 5400 rpm laptop harddisk.
1004 2013-07-10 18:17:25 <The_Fly> just testing out locally
1005 2013-07-10 18:17:48 <The_Fly> i do have a more powerful desktop with some ssds but it sits in japan
1006 2013-07-10 18:17:58 <The_Fly> trying now on ec2 instance
1007 2013-07-10 18:18:25 <kjj> if only we had some sort of global data communication system that would let you control your desktop in Japan from wherever you are...
1008 2013-07-10 18:18:33 <The_Fly> lol
1009 2013-07-10 18:18:45 <The_Fly> if only it was plugged in
1010 2013-07-10 18:19:02 <The_Fly> it's about to be sent back, so im between laptop and servers
1011 2013-07-10 18:19:35 <kjj> heh.  I'm just giving you a hard time.  you probably wouldn't believe the crap hardware that I run bitcoin on
1012 2013-07-10 18:19:55 <The_Fly> could keys not be part of some append-only database though?
1013 2013-07-10 18:20:15 <The_Fly> 300msec seems a lot of time to just add one privkey
1014 2013-07-10 18:20:17 <gmaxwell> The_Fly: that won't save you from having a fdatasync on import.
1015 2013-07-10 18:20:21 <sipa> everything in the wallet can be an append-only database
1016 2013-07-10 18:20:44 <The_Fly> it's not writing the whole wallet when i importprivkey?
1017 2013-07-10 18:20:51 <gmaxwell> But it might be smaller than 300ms at least. But you don't want the rpc to return until you're at least vaguely confident that the data is on disk.
1018 2013-07-10 18:21:00 <The_Fly> yes
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1023 2013-07-10 18:24:05 <The_Fly> if instead i were to just check all transactions bitcoind sees and keep a database of blocks, would i simply have to walk the blockchain to determine #confirmations for a transaction i've seen
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1025 2013-07-10 18:24:54 <The_Fly> *db of blocks and the tx's (that i care about)
1026 2013-07-10 18:25:31 <The_Fly> i would prefer to rely on bitcoind though
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1035 2013-07-10 18:37:42 <sipa> The_Fly: it is not the entire wallet file being rewritten
1036 2013-07-10 18:37:53 <sipa> it's just a write and a log flush + sync to disk
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1038 2013-07-10 18:38:30 <The_Fly> i'll see what speeds are like on a decent instance
1039 2013-07-10 18:38:49 <The_Fly> if it doesn't work i will have to maintain an external db, given that i can get block and transaction events from zmq it's fairly easy
1040 2013-07-10 18:39:11 <The_Fly> so i'd then just want to be sure that im doing the right thing to determine a tx's #confs
1041 2013-07-10 18:39:42 <The_Fly> (which from my naive perspective would be to just walk the blockchain given i know the blockhash the tx was mined into for its first confirmation)
1042 2013-07-10 18:40:12 <The_Fly> hopefully i can avoid that complication however
1043 2013-07-10 18:40:28 <The_Fly> will stress test bitcoind a bit later, thanks for your help all
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1058 2013-07-10 19:04:45 <warren> gmaxwell: is it based on my patch?
1059 2013-07-10 19:05:25 <warren> gmaxwell: tried my gitian for fedora packages?
1060 2013-07-10 19:05:28 <warren> deps
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1064 2013-07-10 19:06:54 <gmaxwell> warren: yea, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=253688.0
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1066 2013-07-10 19:07:44 <warren> gmaxwell: great to hear it works, didn't upgrade yet
1067 2013-07-10 19:10:41 <warren> gmaxwell: consider GPG sigs?
1068 2013-07-10 19:12:46 <gmaxwell> warren: my packages are signed.
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1094 2013-07-10 19:43:48 <dansmithbtc2> Hello, does bitcoind implement NAT traversal?
1095 2013-07-10 19:46:12 <sturles> Yes.
1096 2013-07-10 19:46:20 <sturles> UPNP
1097 2013-07-10 19:47:05 <dansmithbtc2> sturles, thanks, but that's for a home router. I was thinking more in terms of TCP hole punching.
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1099 2013-07-10 19:47:56 <pigeons> upnp
1100 2013-07-10 19:48:15 <dansmithbtc2> I guess it doesn't do more than upnp. So, only machines with external internet-facing IPs can be connected to?
1101 2013-07-10 19:48:54 <pigeons> well that's the internet. you can forward the p2p tcp port to a machine behind nat and it works too
1102 2013-07-10 19:50:10 <dansmithbtc2> So what happens when all nodes are behind ISPs NAT? How will they connect to each other?
1103 2013-07-10 19:50:44 <pigeons> right. don't nat
1104 2013-07-10 19:50:51 <sturles> All wioll go through my node, which isn't.
1105 2013-07-10 19:50:55 <sturles> Seriously..
1106 2013-07-10 19:51:40 <sturles> And listen to pigeons.
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1108 2013-07-10 19:52:49 <sturles> You could get an IPv6 tunnel and as many real IPv6 addresses you want.
1109 2013-07-10 19:53:06 <dansmithbtc2> OK, makes sense, thanks for clarification
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1117 2013-07-10 20:07:35 <FabianB_> bitcoind is not ipv6 ready, is it?
1118 2013-07-10 20:07:56 <gmaxwell> FabianB_: sure it is, has been for a long time.
1119 2013-07-10 20:08:16 <FabianB_> how to turn that on?
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1121 2013-07-10 20:09:34 <gmaxwell> It's always on.
1122 2013-07-10 20:09:42 <jgarzik> w00t
1123 2013-07-10 20:10:06 <FabianB_> hmm.. maybe the max connections are still limited by ipv4 nat even if ipv6 interface is available?
1124 2013-07-10 20:10:09 <jgarzik> libcoin (javascript) now passes bitcoind base58/key test vectors? something bitcoinjs-lib never did.
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1128 2013-07-10 20:15:18 <sipa> jgarzik: libcoin?
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1130 2013-07-10 20:15:46 <sipa> is that another libcoin than the thing michael gronager wrote/refactored?
1131 2013-07-10 20:16:30 <jgarzik> sipa, BitPay likes node.js, and wants to do some SPV-wallet things.  So, https://github.com/gasteve/node-libcoin
1132 2013-07-10 20:16:56 <jgarzik> sipa, yes (I didn't pick the name :))
1133 2013-07-10 20:17:01 <sipa> aaaargh name collisions :(
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1138 2013-07-10 20:21:12 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: yet another implementation you're working on?
1139 2013-07-10 20:21:16 <BlueMatt> what is that, like 4 now?
1140 2013-07-10 20:21:23 <jgarzik> BlueMatt, 4 only if you count bitcoind
1141 2013-07-10 20:21:35 <BlueMatt> hah
1142 2013-07-10 20:21:43 * BlueMatt apparently needs to step up his game
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1150 2013-07-10 20:25:06 <jgarzik> BlueMatt, you are probably the LOC leader ;p
1151 2013-07-10 20:25:31 <BlueMatt> naaa, TD, but only because bitcoinj is in Java :p
1152 2013-07-10 20:25:47 <jgarzik> heh
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1246 2013-07-10 20:56:30 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, i have a pretty simple patch that will fix that
1247 2013-07-10 20:56:39 <phantomcircuit> not sure where it is but it's trivial to recreate
1248 2013-07-10 20:56:46 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: hmm?
1249 2013-07-10 20:56:51 <BlueMatt> you mean speed issues?
1250 2013-07-10 20:57:09 <BlueMatt> I dont really care, I was just commenting......and why dont you submit it
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1261 2013-07-10 21:02:40 <warren> I there a bitcoinj dev channel?
1262 2013-07-10 21:02:42 <warren> Is*
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1266 2013-07-10 21:04:59 <BlueMatt> warren: no, its usually low-volume enough that its ok for here
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1284 2013-07-10 21:06:43 <warren> BlueMatt: TD: OK. I hired a dev to help with official Litecoin support for bitcoinj.  I'm very interested in hearing suggestions to best coordinate with upstream on how we can best stay in sync.
1285 2013-07-10 21:07:02 <warren> Is there a dev mailing list?  /me looks
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1288 2013-07-10 21:08:46 <BlueMatt> yes
1289 2013-07-10 21:08:54 <BlueMatt> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/bitcoinj
1290 2013-07-10 21:08:55 <warren> k
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1292 2013-07-10 21:09:09 <BlueMatt> in theory you can do everything in NetworkParameters
1293 2013-07-10 21:09:22 <warren> including our different fee calculation?
1294 2013-07-10 21:09:24 <BlueMatt> well, +/- POW algorithm
1295 2013-07-10 21:09:27 <BlueMatt> and fee calculation
1296 2013-07-10 21:09:38 <BlueMatt> (which probably needs to be rewritten from the ground up)
1297 2013-07-10 21:09:54 <warren> recommended java namespace to differentiate?
1298 2013-07-10 21:10:08 <warren> Apparently the last guys who did it screwed up.
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1300 2013-07-10 21:10:31 <BlueMatt> com.litecoin.litecoinj
1301 2013-07-10 21:10:33 <BlueMatt> whatever you want
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1304 2013-07-10 21:11:45 <warren> we want to port Multibit and Android Wallet, again with upstream cooperation there.
1305 2013-07-10 21:12:55 <BlueMatt> in terms of PoW stuff, I dunno how difficult that will be, hopefully not terrible (scrypt is already there for wallet key derivation)
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1308 2013-07-10 21:13:24 <BlueMatt> make a NetworkParameters object 1st, try to abstract out the PoW stuff (probably mergable, but thats entirely up to TD)
1309 2013-07-10 21:13:47 <BlueMatt> (into NetworkParameters, that is)
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1312 2013-07-10 21:14:21 <BlueMatt> fee calculation is pluggable, so you should be able to do that too without actually maintaining patch set
1313 2013-07-10 21:14:26 <warren> Litecoin's PoW is a bit weird.  sha256d for performance in the database but scrypt for the block hash.
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1315 2013-07-10 21:15:10 <BlueMatt> when you communicate over the wire, does it use sha256hash of block anywhere (what about for txn?)
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1318 2013-07-10 21:15:56 <warren> that's a good question, I think it's mostly sha256 with the exception of the PoW check, I have to look for certain.
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1320 2013-07-10 21:16:10 <BlueMatt> no, the fee calculator is currently not pluggable, but making it so is like a 10 line patch (its already abstracted into a private inner class in Wallet)
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1322 2013-07-10 21:16:20 <BlueMatt> ok, then it should be really easy
1323 2013-07-10 21:16:30 <BlueMatt> no need to modify anything except the actual PoW function or two
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1386 2013-07-10 21:39:02 <maaku> how come I am unable to "stringstream ss; ss << CFlatData(...)"?
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1388 2013-07-10 21:39:05 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, bool CWalletTx::IsConfirmed() const needs a result cache
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1393 2013-07-10 21:41:16 <BlueMatt> hah, thats it?
1394 2013-07-10 21:41:17 <BlueMatt> wor
1395 2013-07-10 21:41:19 <BlueMatt> wow...
1396 2013-07-10 21:41:29 <BlueMatt> anyway, again, I dont care, was just commenting
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1398 2013-07-10 21:41:52 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, lol yeah
1399 2013-07-10 21:42:12 <phantomcircuit> if you have unconfirmed tx's which you own that runs millions of times in a tight loop
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1401 2013-07-10 21:42:22 <BlueMatt> no, I have no unconfirmed transactions
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1406 2013-07-10 21:43:29 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, how many transactions are in your wallet?
1407 2013-07-10 21:44:09 <BlueMatt> is there a command to figure out
1408 2013-07-10 21:44:10 <BlueMatt> Im lazy
1409 2013-07-10 21:44:13 <BlueMatt> lots
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1411 2013-07-10 21:44:42 <warren> BlueMatt: for scrypt JNI would be unavailable for performance if we intend this to work on Android right?
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1413 2013-07-10 21:45:03 <BlueMatt> warren: IIRC its a different interface, but you can do native code on android no problem
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1415 2013-07-10 21:45:45 <warren> oh
1416 2013-07-10 21:46:21 <warren> BlueMatt: there exists a java scrypt, no idea how fast it is ... and it might not be important as its only for blocks
1417 2013-07-10 21:46:28 <warren> once per block
1418 2013-07-10 21:46:35 <BlueMatt> scrypt is already present in bitcoinj
1419 2013-07-10 21:46:40 <warren> oh
1420 2013-07-10 21:46:42 <BlueMatt> (for wallet key encryption calculation stuff)
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1431 2013-07-10 21:50:31 <sipa> maaku: my guess is a problem with reference semantics
1432 2013-07-10 21:50:39 <sipa> maaku: try FLATDATA() instead
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1438 2013-07-10 21:57:09 <maaku> sipa: it was actually CScriptCompressor(script).Serialize(ss, ...)
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1441 2013-07-10 21:57:28 <sipa> ok
1442 2013-07-10 21:57:49 <maaku> i worked around it, but still not sure why that wasn't working
1443 2013-07-10 21:59:12 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, now that you mention it i dont think there is a command
1444 2013-07-10 21:59:25 <phantomcircuit> i've always just called listtransactions with a huge count value
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1447 2013-07-10 22:00:39 <BlueMatt> well, when I call listtransactions with a huge value -qt's debug window hangs.....
1448 2013-07-10 22:00:42 <BlueMatt> anyway, time for bed
1449 2013-07-10 22:00:46 * BlueMatt -> home+bed
1450 2013-07-10 22:01:22 <phantomcircuit> oh so you're probably just hitting the O(n) performance
1451 2013-07-10 22:01:26 <phantomcircuit> yeah cant fix that easily
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1457 2013-07-10 22:02:41 <weex> phantomcircuit: BlueMatt: there's a start at value for listtransactions so you can figure it out with more time
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