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  57 2013-07-20 01:55:14 <kuzetsa> jgarzik: SATA doesn't internally use SCSI protocol on a hardware level, does it? Just a code-reuse kludge in the old API / syscall / linux driver subsystems from what I can tell.
  58 2013-07-20 01:55:21 <Diablo-D3> no
  59 2013-07-20 01:55:22 <kuzetsa> yes, I know that's off-topic for this channel
  60 2013-07-20 01:55:26 <kuzetsa> Diablo-D3: oh, thanks.
  61 2013-07-20 01:55:30 <Diablo-D3> what it DOES do
  62 2013-07-20 01:55:44 <Diablo-D3> is use a COMPATIBLE hardware protocol and nearly identical PHYs
  63 2013-07-20 01:55:58 <Diablo-D3> SAS controllers can speak SATA because of the shared physical interface and PHYs
  64 2013-07-20 01:56:01 <kuzetsa> Diablo-D3: not sure if jgarzik is the same person I'm thinking of (had something to do with libata dev and/or maintaining at some point)
  65 2013-07-20 01:56:07 <Diablo-D3> SATA cant speak SAS, however
  66 2013-07-20 01:56:35 <kuzetsa> right. because SAS is "more properly SCSI" from a protocol standpoint
  67 2013-07-20 01:56:46 <Diablo-D3> yes, its SCSI over serial
  68 2013-07-20 01:56:53 * kuzetsa nods
  69 2013-07-20 01:56:59 <Diablo-D3> btw, it gets even more fun
  70 2013-07-20 01:57:09 <Diablo-D3> ATAPI is basically raw scsi commands over IDE
  71 2013-07-20 01:57:16 <kuzetsa> haha I know
  72 2013-07-20 01:57:20 <Diablo-D3> its used for optical drives
  73 2013-07-20 01:57:23 <kuzetsa> yeah
  74 2013-07-20 01:57:29 <Diablo-D3> well, was, SATA has all that shit as part of the protocol now
  75 2013-07-20 01:57:40 <kuzetsa> :/
  76 2013-07-20 01:57:49 <Diablo-D3> and it matches the equivalent SAS commands, so plugging a SATA dvd drive into a SAS controllerworks
  77 2013-07-20 01:58:06 <kuzetsa> wow
  78 2013-07-20 01:58:20 <Diablo-D3> Im not sure why they bothered going ahead with SATA to be honest
  79 2013-07-20 01:58:22 <kuzetsa> that's intense
  80 2013-07-20 01:58:54 <Diablo-D3> they should have just went with SAS on both market segments and then added a SAS enterprise feature that does all the shit you actually need SAS for
  81 2013-07-20 01:59:12 <Diablo-D3> like multiplexing, multiple interfaces to a single drive, etc
  82 2013-07-20 01:59:13 <kuzetsa> :)
  83 2013-07-20 01:59:39 <kuzetsa> sorry I asked in here
  84 2013-07-20 01:59:45 <Diablo-D3> well, it answered your question
  85 2013-07-20 01:59:46 <kuzetsa> it's not on topic for #bitcoin-dev
  86 2013-07-20 01:59:48 <kuzetsa> yeah
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  88 2013-07-20 02:02:07 <kuzetsa> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/kernel-config.xml <--- really doesn't help that they're perpetuating the confusion: (quote) (section 3.) Common problems and areas of confusion (subheading) "SATA disks are SCSI"
  89 2013-07-20 02:02:33 <kuzetsa> "code-reuse kludge in the old API / syscall / linux driver subsystems"
  90 2013-07-20 02:02:35 <kuzetsa> not the same thing lol
  91 2013-07-20 02:02:41 <Diablo-D3> kuzetsa: well in linux
  92 2013-07-20 02:02:44 <kuzetsa> haha
  93 2013-07-20 02:02:44 <Diablo-D3> its all the same subsystem now
  94 2013-07-20 02:02:46 <Diablo-D3> even for ide
  95 2013-07-20 02:02:51 <kuzetsa> oh, right.
  96 2013-07-20 02:02:55 <kuzetsa> crap. it is.
  97 2013-07-20 02:02:57 <Diablo-D3> its why parallel ide drives are /dev/sdx
  98 2013-07-20 02:03:44 <kuzetsa> yeah
  99 2013-07-20 02:04:19 <Diablo-D3> its easier to treat IDE drives as just a SCSI variant, especially given how many SCSI commands are used
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 101 2013-07-20 02:04:43 <kuzetsa> you mean IDE optical drives?
 102 2013-07-20 02:04:52 <Diablo-D3> no even non-optical ones
 103 2013-07-20 02:04:55 <kuzetsa> I wasn't aware PATA hard disks... really?
 104 2013-07-20 02:04:59 <kuzetsa> well that's new
 105 2013-07-20 02:05:06 <kuzetsa> I haven't used one in years so I didn't know.
 106 2013-07-20 02:05:32 <Diablo-D3> a lot of stuff related to smart and other drive inquiries use the raw scsi command set
 107 2013-07-20 02:05:50 <kuzetsa> oh
 108 2013-07-20 02:06:01 <Diablo-D3> and stuff like command queueing and DMA isnt well suited to pre-ATA IDE
 109 2013-07-20 02:06:03 <kuzetsa> well I feel like a dumbass for never having been curious about how SMART works
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 111 2013-07-20 02:06:48 <Diablo-D3> basically, ATA tries to normalize the protocol on IDE to be more like SCSI without being incompatible with older IDE
 112 2013-07-20 02:07:04 <Diablo-D3> its quite entirely possible you've never owned a pre-ATA IDE drive
 113 2013-07-20 02:07:25 <Diablo-D3> and IDE itself is fucking wonky
 114 2013-07-20 02:07:27 <kuzetsa> in the 90s I had an 80 gig hard disk
 115 2013-07-20 02:07:34 <Diablo-D3> its basically an 8 bit ISA bus
 116 2013-07-20 02:07:40 <kuzetsa> I don't have it anymore, it's long-since dead
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 118 2013-07-20 02:08:04 <Diablo-D3> and you'd buy drives that plug into a HBA dedicated to that drive that plugs into the 8 bit ISA bus with an actual card
 119 2013-07-20 02:08:27 <Diablo-D3> then they minaturized the card and slapped it on a full height 5.25" drive, which is why all drive controllers are on the drive itself now
 120 2013-07-20 02:08:28 <kuzetsa> I think I donated / recycled it to an educational workshop for people wanting to learn how to work on computers without a budget for risking damage to brand-new hardware
 121 2013-07-20 02:08:45 <Diablo-D3> and then they used a modified 8 bit ISA bus and a high level protocol on top of it to communicate
 122 2013-07-20 02:09:06 * kuzetsa jaw-drops
 123 2013-07-20 02:09:09 <Diablo-D3> that protocol was eventually standardized as IDE
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 125 2013-07-20 02:09:33 <Diablo-D3> which gets really weird when you realize how this relates to PCMCIA
 126 2013-07-20 02:09:51 <Diablo-D3> and how PCMICA isnt actually a 16 bit ISA bus, but actually a modified form of IDE that still can speak ISA
 127 2013-07-20 02:10:22 <Diablo-D3> ergo, plugging stuff in like a CompactFlash -> PCMCIA bridge in basically converts pins and power, but nothing else
 128 2013-07-20 02:10:40 <kuzetsa> I haven't messed with low-level hard disk stuff since that one time I wrote a bit of boot sector code on a floppy to poke around with "INT 0x13" for totally legit purposes back in the late 90s
 129 2013-07-20 02:10:54 <Diablo-D3> oh and heres the other fun part
 130 2013-07-20 02:10:58 <kuzetsa> totally legit
 131 2013-07-20 02:11:01 <kuzetsa> I swear >.<
 132 2013-07-20 02:11:03 <Diablo-D3> CompactFlash is IDE in a non-compatible form factor
 133 2013-07-20 02:11:10 <kuzetsa> I know
 134 2013-07-20 02:11:12 <Diablo-D3> you can plug it right into IDE with a dummy plug
 135 2013-07-20 02:11:15 <kuzetsa> PIO mode if I remember right
 136 2013-07-20 02:11:23 <Diablo-D3> they have UDMA ones too
 137 2013-07-20 02:11:29 <kuzetsa> really? that's new...
 138 2013-07-20 02:11:35 <Diablo-D3> yeah, in the past 2-3 years
 139 2013-07-20 02:11:38 <kuzetsa> ah
 140 2013-07-20 02:11:44 <Diablo-D3> they also have ones that speak a modified version of SATA using the same form factor
 141 2013-07-20 02:11:54 <gmaxwell> kuzetsa: comes with the fact that there are 20 mpixel 35mm cameras with CF... you can get 128gb cf cards now.
 142 2013-07-20 02:11:58 <Diablo-D3> takes a little bit more effort to plug those into SATA, and the cards wont speak original CF
 143 2013-07-20 02:12:06 <Diablo-D3> so you need a camera/card reader that has support for those
 144 2013-07-20 02:12:21 <Diablo-D3> gmaxwell: Ive seen 256gb ones for sale
 145 2013-07-20 02:12:35 <Diablo-D3> or at least announced, maybe not for sale yet
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 147 2013-07-20 02:12:52 <Diablo-D3> problem is, you need a camera that uses a file system that can use that much
 148 2013-07-20 02:12:59 <kuzetsa> gmaxwell: oh... I see... I thought compactflash was dead / useles so I upgraded to an EOS 60D running SD card instead of trying to keep using my old digital rebel xt (which used compact flash)
 149 2013-07-20 02:13:15 <kuzetsa> like... I didn't think compact flash was gonna break the 2GB barrier at that time
 150 2013-07-20 02:13:37 <Diablo-D3> kuzetsa: see thats the weird part
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 152 2013-07-20 02:13:43 <Diablo-D3> CF is still used by EOS high end models
 153 2013-07-20 02:13:45 <kuzetsa> and the 60D was nicer & used the same EOS-style lenses (those thinks are bloody expensive. like hundreds of dollars each)
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 155 2013-07-20 02:13:51 <Diablo-D3> and my EOS is low end but still uses CF
 156 2013-07-20 02:14:01 <Diablo-D3> they arent THAT expensive
 157 2013-07-20 02:14:13 <Diablo-D3> I mean, L series ones are massively expensive
 158 2013-07-20 02:14:20 <Diablo-D3> but try buying sigma if you cant afford canon
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 160 2013-07-20 02:15:11 <Diablo-D3> sigma EOS lenses are quite nice
 161 2013-07-20 02:15:19 <Diablo-D3> like 3/4th the visual quality for 2/3rds the price
 162 2013-07-20 02:15:43 <kuzetsa> guess we're done talking about SCSI now at least
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 164 2013-07-20 02:15:49 <Diablo-D3> I guess =P
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 166 2013-07-20 02:16:13 <kuzetsa> Diablo-D3: privmsg?
 167 2013-07-20 02:16:20 <Diablo-D3> go ahead
 168 2013-07-20 02:16:45 <Diablo-D3> btw, you MAY look into discontinued lenses on ebay
 169 2013-07-20 02:16:52 <Diablo-D3> EOS has been in use since the early 70s
 170 2013-07-20 02:17:16 <Diablo-D3> theres a few classics that are still pretty good quality
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 181 2013-07-20 02:30:45 <ahmed_mobile1> hey guys would any of you be able to help me out
 182 2013-07-20 02:31:00 <ahmed_mobile1> im trying to create a fork of bitcoin
 183 2013-07-20 02:31:04 <ahmed_mobile1> using the mergecoin git
 184 2013-07-20 02:31:13 <ahmed_mobile1> and i get this error?
 185 2013-07-20 02:31:42 <ahmed_mobile1> http://pastebin.com/7NXkB5RQ
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 187 2013-07-20 02:35:23 <gwillen> ahmed_mobile1: are you just building something exactly as you downloaded it? It seems like you have incompatible versions of something.
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 189 2013-07-20 02:35:34 <gwillen> (I am not familiar with mergecoin.)
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 210 2013-07-20 03:21:51 <jgarzik> kuzetsa, There are no jgarziks but me
 211 2013-07-20 03:21:59 <jgarzik> :)
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 214 2013-07-20 03:33:43 <jaxkr> Has anyone looked at this yet? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=259188.0
 215 2013-07-20 03:36:04 <Luke-Jr> jaxkr: I'm not sure how many active developers actually read the troll forums
 216 2013-07-20 03:36:23 <jaxkr> Luke-Jr: The troll forums?
 217 2013-07-20 03:36:35 <Luke-Jr> yes, the domain you linked
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 219 2013-07-20 03:37:32 <ahmed_mobile1> hey guys
 220 2013-07-20 03:37:40 <jaxkr> Luke-Jr: The troll forum you're currently active on? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3318
 221 2013-07-20 03:37:53 <Luke-Jr> yep
 222 2013-07-20 03:37:56 <ahmed_mobile1> could any of you tell me which was the last version of bitcoin to use berkerly db
 223 2013-07-20 03:38:13 <turboroot> ahmed_mobile1: 0.8.3
 224 2013-07-20 03:38:15 <Luke-Jr> ahmed_mobile1: all versions of wxBitcoin, bitcoind, and Bitcoin-Qt use berkley db
 225 2013-07-20 03:38:32 <ahmed_mobile1> i thought it switched to leveldb Luke-Jr
 226 2013-07-20 03:38:33 <Luke-Jr> ahmed_mobile1: 0.7.x was the last series to use it for blockchain indexes
 227 2013-07-20 03:38:39 <Luke-Jr> ahmed_mobile1: it is still used for wallets
 228 2013-07-20 03:38:42 <ahmed_mobile1> thnks turboroot
 229 2013-07-20 03:38:56 <ahmed_mobile1> right okay i think ill use 0.7.x then
 230 2013-07-20 03:39:01 <Luke-Jr> 0.9.x is planned to get rid of bdb entirely
 231 2013-07-20 03:39:14 <Luke-Jr> ahmed_mobile1: bad idea long-term <.<
 232 2013-07-20 03:39:18 <ahmed_mobile1> i know
 233 2013-07-20 03:39:23 <ahmed_mobile1> ill eventually switch over
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 235 2013-07-20 03:39:29 <ahmed_mobile1> second question
 236 2013-07-20 03:39:39 <ahmed_mobile1> where can i obtain bitcoin's merged mining patches
 237 2013-07-20 03:39:43 <Luke-Jr> there are none
 238 2013-07-20 03:39:47 <Luke-Jr> Bitcoin does not support merged mining
 239 2013-07-20 03:39:50 <ahmed_mobile1> ?
 240 2013-07-20 03:39:53 <jaxkr> ahmed_mobile1: Certain altcoins do.
 241 2013-07-20 03:39:59 <ahmed_mobile1> along wih ixcoin i0coin etc
 242 2013-07-20 03:39:59 <jaxkr> ahmed_mobile1: Depends what you want to merge mine.
 243 2013-07-20 03:40:15 <Luke-Jr> ahmed_mobile1: that's a function of the "slave" altcoin
 244 2013-07-20 03:40:24 <Luke-Jr> bitcoin does not have any explicit support for it
 245 2013-07-20 03:40:24 <jaxkr> ahmed_mobile1: Then I don't think this is where you should look. I'd recommend looking around Alternative Cryptocurrencies.
 246 2013-07-20 03:40:35 <ahmed_mobile1> jaxkr ive just asked there
 247 2013-07-20 03:40:50 <Luke-Jr> ahmed_mobile1: there are 2 merged mining systems in use: namecoin and p2pool
 248 2013-07-20 03:40:58 <jaxkr> ahmed_mobile1: Are both of those coins SHA-256?
 249 2013-07-20 03:41:00 <Luke-Jr> but bitcoin itself is unrelated to both
 250 2013-07-20 03:41:06 <ahmed_mobile1> yep
 251 2013-07-20 03:41:25 <ahmed_mobile1> im personally making another one hopefully and im looking for it to be merge mined
 252 2013-07-20 03:41:28 <ahmed_mobile1> but as the master
 253 2013-07-20 03:41:41 <Luke-Jr> ahmed_mobile1: why?
 254 2013-07-20 03:41:42 <jaxkr> Another altcoin?
 255 2013-07-20 03:41:45 <ahmed_mobile1> yep
 256 2013-07-20 03:41:49 <jaxkr> Why?
 257 2013-07-20 03:41:57 <ahmed_mobile1> i may not release it
 258 2013-07-20 03:42:03 <ahmed_mobile1> but id just like to test it myself
 259 2013-07-20 03:42:09 <Luke-Jr> ahmed_mobile1: "master" doesn't mean anything
 260 2013-07-20 03:42:14 <jaxkr> It's a good activity to learn how Bitcoin works.
 261 2013-07-20 03:42:20 <Luke-Jr> slaves define what can be a "master", not the "master" itself
 262 2013-07-20 03:42:34 <ahmed_mobile1> right okay
 263 2013-07-20 03:42:35 <jaxkr> Luke-Jr: I think he means creator.
 264 2013-07-20 03:42:42 <Luke-Jr> ahmed_mobile1: you might be interested in checking in with #Freicoin
 265 2013-07-20 03:42:52 <Luke-Jr> they are working on a new merged mining system to address the problems with namecoin's
 266 2013-07-20 03:42:58 <ahmed_mobile1> nice
 267 2013-07-20 03:43:01 <Luke-Jr> similar to p2pool's, but not chain-specific
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 269 2013-07-20 03:43:25 <ahmed_mobile1> with p2pool's is there a certain way to get that implemented?
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 272 2013-07-20 03:44:15 <Luke-Jr> ahmed_mobile1: you could certainly implement it, but it doesn't really make sense as-is for anything but p2pool
 273 2013-07-20 03:44:28 <Luke-Jr> and the only implementation currently is Twisted code
 274 2013-07-20 03:44:41 <jaxkr> Twisted as in the language?
 275 2013-07-20 03:44:47 <jaxkr> Or twisted as in terrible programming?
 276 2013-07-20 03:45:16 <Luke-Jr> the language
 277 2013-07-20 03:45:23 <Luke-Jr> Python 2 dialect
 278 2013-07-20 03:45:38 <jaxkr> Luke-Jr: I know. Good language.
 279 2013-07-20 03:45:46 <Luke-Jr> I beg to differ, but ok
 280 2013-07-20 03:46:09 <jaxkr> Really? It's just a python that specializes in networking.
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 282 2013-07-20 03:46:34 <Luke-Jr> jaxkr: and makes the code even more unreadable
 283 2013-07-20 03:46:47 <Luke-Jr> jaxkr: I wrote my own networking interfaces for Eloipool
 284 2013-07-20 03:46:56 <jaxkr> Luke-Jr: "even more" Are you anti-python in general?
 285 2013-07-20 03:47:02 <Luke-Jr> yes :p
 286 2013-07-20 03:47:18 <jaxkr> Luke-Jr: Why? Python's one of my favorites.
 287 2013-07-20 03:47:43 <Luke-Jr> jaxkr: I'm not even sure why, it just bothers me.
 288 2013-07-20 03:48:09 <jaxkr> I have a task for you. Open your python interpreter. And import the antigravity module.
 289 2013-07-20 03:48:16 <Luke-Jr> …
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 292 2013-07-20 03:48:52 <jaxkr> Luke-Jr: Amazing, right?
 293 2013-07-20 03:48:55 <Luke-Jr> no
 294 2013-07-20 03:48:59 <jaxkr> :(
 295 2013-07-20 03:49:27 <Luke-Jr> it's like a trojan! :p
 296 2013-07-20 03:49:39 <jaxkr> What's like a trojan?
 297 2013-07-20 03:49:55 <Luke-Jr> antigravity
 298 2013-07-20 03:50:12 <jaxkr> Eh. It's really a joke. I have no idea how it made it into the standard library.
 299 2013-07-20 03:50:34 <Luke-Jr> :P
 300 2013-07-20 03:50:54 <jaxkr> But the code of that module is something like import webbrowser webbrowser.open("http://xkcd.com/353/")
 301 2013-07-20 03:51:11 <Luke-Jr> I was joking too.
 302 2013-07-20 03:51:19 <jaxkr> Oh.
 303 2013-07-20 03:51:40 <jaxkr> So, scrypt  isn't even a hashing algorythm.
 304 2013-07-20 03:53:12 <Luke-Jr> ;)
 305 2013-07-20 03:53:57 <jaxkr> Something I've been meaning to ask you, why do you have such a negative opinion on Litecoin/
 306 2013-07-20 03:53:58 <jaxkr> *?
 307 2013-07-20 03:55:22 <Luke-Jr> jaxkr: off-topic here, feel free to read https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Litecoin for the basic problems and/or ask somewhere else (perhaps #eligius )
 308 2013-07-20 03:56:23 <jaxkr> "(Slight) Premining
 309 2013-07-20 03:56:23 <jaxkr> Litecoin had two blocks premined, one more than the minimum single genesis block needed to start a block chain."
 310 2013-07-20 03:56:33 <jaxkr> Those fuckers. 2 blocks.
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 313 2013-07-20 03:57:00 <Luke-Jr> again, off-topic here. (and note that isn't considered a criticism :p)
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 700 2013-07-20 12:45:10 <imton> guys, I need to get the "vin" value for getrawtransaction
 701 2013-07-20 12:45:21 <imton> is there any patch there?
 702 2013-07-20 12:46:08 <lianj> that would require fetching the previous outputs
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 704 2013-07-20 12:47:01 <sipa> imton: you mean fetching the output being consumed by a particular output?
 705 2013-07-20 12:47:05 <sipa> *input
 706 2013-07-20 12:47:17 <imton> yes
 707 2013-07-20 12:47:29 <sipa> you can just fetch it
 708 2013-07-20 12:47:41 <imton> sipa: specially in your searchforaddress
 709 2013-07-20 12:47:46 <sipa> each input in getrawtransaction will list the txid and vout being consumed
 710 2013-07-20 12:48:10 <sipa> so you can do a getrawtransaction for that txid, and find its output with the vout number
 711 2013-07-20 12:48:17 <sipa> that's the output being consumed
 712 2013-07-20 12:48:31 <Scrat> sounds like he's trying to find the fee :p
 713 2013-07-20 12:48:41 <imton> hop the fee is the difference
 714 2013-07-20 12:48:45 <imton> *nop
 715 2013-07-20 12:48:59 <imton> sipa: yes, but I was wondering if this could be done directly from bitcoind
 716 2013-07-20 12:49:00 <sipa> yeah
 717 2013-07-20 12:49:11 <sipa> imton: what do you need it for?
 718 2013-07-20 12:49:19 <imton> sipa: balances
 719 2013-07-20 12:49:44 <sipa> you don't need that for balances
 720 2013-07-20 12:50:17 <imton> sipa: I need vins' values for address balances...
 721 2013-07-20 12:50:20 <imton> ?
 722 2013-07-20 12:50:26 <imton> don't i?
 723 2013-07-20 12:50:36 <sipa> iterate through the transactions affecting a given address, remember all outputs that credit your address, and remove those that get spend afterwards
 724 2013-07-20 12:50:43 <sipa> the result is the utxo set for your address
 725 2013-07-20 12:50:45 <Scrat> imton: why not use gettransaction then?
 726 2013-07-20 12:51:41 <sipa> searchrawtransactions will list both crediting and spending transactions
 727 2013-07-20 12:52:54 <sipa> so that should work without problems
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 729 2013-07-20 12:53:05 <Scrat> uh, a balance system based solely on bitcoind?
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 731 2013-07-20 12:53:22 <sipa> watch-only wallets is likely a much better solution
 732 2013-07-20 12:53:50 <imton> "iterate through the transactions …" >> yeah, I did it like that previously…
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 734 2013-07-20 12:54:12 <sipa> will be much faster than trying to find all inputs
 735 2013-07-20 12:54:20 <imton> but would be easier for me if I just get each vin value directly from bitcoind.
 736 2013-07-20 12:54:23 <sipa> even if implemented directly in bitcond
 737 2013-07-20 12:54:56 <sipa> no, it won't
 738 2013-07-20 12:55:08 <sipa> you'd still need to know which inputs are relevant
 739 2013-07-20 12:55:15 <sipa> and to do that, you need to track the outputs
 740 2013-07-20 12:55:32 <sipa> so you'd just duplicate functionality that can could be used to calculate the balance directly
 741 2013-07-20 12:56:57 <imton> ok. so you mean that with a single searchrawtransactions I can get all the balance for that given address?
 742 2013-07-20 12:57:03 <sipa> ~yes
 743 2013-07-20 12:57:04 <Scrat> is it just me or I cant see a use case for this
 744 2013-07-20 12:57:15 <sipa> i consider it abuse of the RPC, but yes
 745 2013-07-20 12:58:06 <sipa> well, anything that relies on "balance of an address" is broken imho - you should consider balance of a wallet, being a collection of addresses
 746 2013-07-20 12:58:30 <imton> Scrat: it useful for web services that need to consult multiple users balances/addresses, watch-only is better I know, but I couldn't find a patch that worked and was updated.
 747 2013-07-20 12:58:42 <Scrat> yep, balances are a high level construction that should only live in a database
 748 2013-07-20 12:58:49 <sipa> though probably the easiest way to do that with implemented code in bitcoind is using searchrawtransaction for every address in the wallet
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 750 2013-07-20 13:00:00 <Scrat> preferrably an SQL database, so you cap wrap a transaction around the RPC call
 751 2013-07-20 13:00:12 <Scrat> so you can rollback if it fails
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 753 2013-07-20 13:01:08 <Scrat> imton: I want to know of one web service that uses "address balances" directly
 754 2013-07-20 13:01:28 <imton> http://testnet.btclook.com/addr/mpjYfZXekpjqnNdgTSDAEscAwYR7rJZSAe
 755 2013-07-20 13:01:38 <imton> you can see a completely detailed address balance there
 756 2013-07-20 13:02:05 <imton> i need to get all that information
 757 2013-07-20 13:02:25 <Scrat> (other than blockchain explorers or blockchain.info)
 758 2013-07-20 13:02:58 <sipa> imton: and it's exactly what searchrawtransactions gives you
 759 2013-07-20 13:03:01 <imton> well I am building a service like an escrow that ask the seller of the btc to send the btcs to an address i give to him
 760 2013-07-20 13:03:15 <imton> i need to know all the txs to and from that address
 761 2013-07-20 13:03:49 <Scrat> imton: you can have that, but balances should not be done at such a low level
 762 2013-07-20 13:04:06 <imton> Scrat: i can't see why
 763 2013-07-20 13:04:21 <sipa> the right solution is a watch-only wallet
 764 2013-07-20 13:04:38 <imton> sipa: where's the bitcoind with that feature implemented?
 765 2013-07-20 13:04:49 <sipa> but as that isn't really up-to-date, ...
 766 2013-07-20 13:05:00 <sipa> yeah, i get it
 767 2013-07-20 13:05:07 <Scrat> imton: because then you'll have to build your own send transactions that use the correct outputs
 768 2013-07-20 13:05:18 <Scrat> bitcoind won't do that for you
 769 2013-07-20 13:05:51 <imton> sipa: I suck at c++, and can't afford learn it now. If not I'd have already tried to do it myself :(
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 772 2013-07-20 13:08:22 <imton> sipa: will searchrawtransaction be merged into the master?
 773 2013-07-20 13:08:33 <sipa> imton: hopefully
 774 2013-07-20 13:08:45 <imton> sipa: awesome
 775 2013-07-20 13:08:53 <sipa> but i hate it :(
 776 2013-07-20 13:09:30 <sipa> because it'll remove the incentive for you people like you to demand the right solution :)
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 778 2013-07-20 13:10:03 <Scrat> sipa hates O(n) with a passion
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 780 2013-07-20 13:10:45 <Scrat> imton: but do tell, how will you implement sending
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 787 2013-07-20 13:16:05 <imton> sipa: I know you hate it :p
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 792 2013-07-20 13:24:46 <imton> sipa: searchrawtransactions is not taking mempool in consideration right?
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 800 2013-07-20 13:39:47 <sipa> imton: indeed, it doesn't (yet)
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 859 2013-07-20 16:05:12 <imton> sipa: i want to get the searchrawtransactions for mempool
 860 2013-07-20 16:05:44 <imton> right now I am using getrawmempool and iterating it with a getrawtransaction
 861 2013-07-20 16:06:07 <sipa> better use gettxout
 862 2013-07-20 16:06:22 <imton> gettxout is for UXOS ?
 863 2013-07-20 16:06:37 <sipa> that way, you can know whether an outout was already spent or not
 864 2013-07-20 16:07:12 <sipa> anyway, extending searchrawtramsactions for the mempool sounds useful
 865 2013-07-20 16:07:21 <sipa> but i have higher priorities, especia
 866 2013-07-20 16:07:32 <sipa> lly since i think it's not the right solution
 867 2013-07-20 16:08:22 <imton> sipa: ok, np
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 869 2013-07-20 16:08:35 <imton> sipa: but i can't see why gettxout is better...
 870 2013-07-20 16:09:24 <imton> I tought gettxout only worked with bitcoind addresses/txs
 871 2013-07-20 16:09:29 <imton> sorry, wallet
 872 2013-07-20 16:09:36 <gmaxwell> no.
 873 2013-07-20 16:09:51 <imton> ok.
 874 2013-07-20 16:09:54 <gmaxwell> gettxout queries the coins database, which all nodes have, which is used to validate transactions and blocks.
 875 2013-07-20 16:10:39 <sipa> imton: i may have spoken too soon
 876 2013-07-20 16:10:52 <sipa> gettxout can't tell you how many outputs a transaction has
 877 2013-07-20 16:11:20 <imton> oh, i was about to test it
 878 2013-07-20 16:11:21 <sipa> and you can indeed use it together with getrawtransaction to know whether a mempool tx has already been spent
 879 2013-07-20 16:11:54 <imton> ok, the problem is that I can only get if that address is in the vouts addresses
 880 2013-07-20 16:11:59 <imton> but not the vin
 881 2013-07-20 16:12:06 <sipa> but as you have to iterate all mempool transactions anyway, it's faster to reuse that information to find spent outputs
 882 2013-07-20 16:12:11 <sipa> you do not need thsat
 883 2013-07-20 16:12:21 <sipa> you know which txid:vout pays to your address
 884 2013-07-20 16:12:36 <sipa> if any such txid:vout is listed in an input, it is spent
 885 2013-07-20 16:12:47 <sipa> so just count the unspent ones
 886 2013-07-20 16:12:56 <sipa> again, this is not the right way to do that
 887 2013-07-20 16:13:00 <imton> ok, let me think slowly..
 888 2013-07-20 16:13:02 <sipa> but it would work
 889 2013-07-20 16:13:02 <imton> yeah, it sucks
 890 2013-07-20 16:13:08 <gmaxwell> I guess I missed the context of what was being asked here.
 891 2013-07-20 16:13:18 <imton> gmaxwell: np
 892 2013-07-20 16:13:49 <sipa> imton: stop thinking that you need to see everything as a credit or debit of an address
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 894 2013-07-20 16:14:20 <sipa> it is really individual transactions (and their outputs, so,etimes named coins) you need to track
 895 2013-07-20 16:14:43 <sipa> so you don't need to know which address an input spends "from"
 896 2013-07-20 16:14:47 <gmaxwell> The system does not work like credits and debits of addresses, and if you keep imposing that mental model on it you're going to end up with software which doesn't scale, and potentially losing your or your customer's money.
 897 2013-07-20 16:14:52 <sipa> it really just spends a previous coins
 898 2013-07-20 16:15:04 <sipa> and you already know the coins that credited you
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 903 2013-07-20 16:17:18 <imton> great. I will try :)
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 922 2013-07-20 16:46:54 <davec> Hey guys.  While writing btcchain, I wrote some code to programatically identify checkpoints.
 923 2013-07-20 16:47:01 <davec> The idea being a few of the most recent checkpoint candidates can be listed and a core developer still hand picks one to ensure everything is good, but candidates are pre-validated by code.
 924 2013-07-20 16:47:08 <davec> The following comments in the code identify the criteria used -- https://github.com/conformal/btcchain/blob/master/checkpoints.go#L166-L177
 925 2013-07-20 16:47:15 <davec> Is there any other criteria you guys use that you feel should go in?
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 927 2013-07-20 16:52:34 <gmaxwell> There must be no publicly known viable competing chain. The checkpoint must be far back from the current time, our preference is at least 2016 blocks.
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 929 2013-07-20 16:54:17 <gmaxwell> I'm actually really disappointed that you have substantial checkpoint code in your software.
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 931 2013-07-20 16:55:20 <davec> ah 2016 makes sense due to the retarget
 932 2013-07-20 16:56:07 <gmaxwell> "non-standard scripts" is probably not a good criteria.
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 934 2013-07-20 16:56:39 <gmaxwell> The goal on that one is to avoid any question about a checkpoint forcing a hardfork by imposing a shorter chain which contains transactions that some implementations consider invalid.
 935 2013-07-20 16:56:52 <davec> The vast majority of the checkpoint code is simply to have parity with bitcoind in the way checkpoints are handled.  That is to say, the difficulty must be at least the minimum possible, hashes and heights have to match at the checkpoint, etc
 936 2013-07-20 16:57:19 <gmaxwell> davec: Then you've just blindly aped the flawed syncing design of the current reference software?
 937 2013-07-20 16:57:25 <davec> but I thought it would be nice to have some programatic way of identifying cp candidates
 938 2013-07-20 16:57:42 <gmaxwell> We only need the checkpoints there because absent them its very easy to DOS attack the reference software because it doesn't validate headers first.
 939 2013-07-20 16:58:17 <gmaxwell> (and we have to keep updating them because the protection they provide falls away after two years)
 940 2013-07-20 16:58:59 <davec> correct.  I understand why it's there
 941 2013-07-20 17:00:06 <gmaxwell> davec: while you're here, I cannot understand how you could have gotten 60% loc coverage if you've run bluematt's the block tester. The test should be hitting every condition for block acceptance.
 942 2013-07-20 17:00:15 <davec> and yes, we are being extremely paranoid about causing any chain forks, so we made sure to keep parity with every rule in bitcoind
 943 2013-07-20 17:00:24 <davec> I did respond to your blog post as well
 944 2013-07-20 17:00:34 <davec> that test coverage is automated test coverage
 945 2013-07-20 17:00:37 <gmaxwell> I saw that, but I'm confused.
 946 2013-07-20 17:00:41 <davec> we passed bluematt's block tester
 947 2013-07-20 17:00:55 <gmaxwell> oh you haven't given a coverage report on running that. Ah.
 948 2013-07-20 17:00:55 <davec> but it's not automated into the test harness
 949 2013-07-20 17:01:02 <gmaxwell> Okay, makes more sense now.
 950 2013-07-20 17:01:13 <gmaxwell> Did you find any bugs in your implementation when you ran it?
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 952 2013-07-20 17:03:15 <gmaxwell> davec: wrt " we are being extremely paranoid about causing any chain forks, so we made sure to keep parity with every rule in bitcoind"  ... syncing behavior isn't a block validation rule. The particular syncing behavior used by bitcoind is fairly vulnerable to dos attacks, though mostly thats patched over by additional behavior.
 953 2013-07-20 17:04:28 <gmaxwell> Sounds like you've got it under control in any case.
 954 2013-07-20 17:04:42 <davec> there were two issue iirc
 955 2013-07-20 17:05:23 <davec> definitely appreciate your feedback, the last thing we want is to cause issues.  Our goal is to improve the ecosyste
 956 2013-07-20 17:05:26 <gmaxwell> Thats good to hear. (I mean, obviously bugs aren't good... but if you're finding some its a suggestion that the test may have adequate depth)
 957 2013-07-20 17:05:26 <davec> m
 958 2013-07-20 17:06:56 <gmaxwell> If along your way you don't find any interesting bugs in bitcoind (that you need to emulate) I will be surprised.  Bluematt found several while adding validation to bitcoinj (which are now tested by his tester and perhaps better documented in the code)
 959 2013-07-20 17:09:48 <gmaxwell> You should check coverage when running the blocktester... if it's not ~100% of the block validity rules, thats interesting.
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 963 2013-07-20 17:20:15 <davec> That is the goal, but the tricky part there is the way the tester runs versus how Go generates the coverage reports (it instruments based on code in _test files).
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 966 2013-07-20 17:24:28 <gmaxwell> hm. That seems pretty limiting for systems level tests!   Perhaps there is a non-sampling profiling tool you could run that could indicate coverage as a side effect?
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1125 2013-07-20 22:38:56 <ahmedbodi__> has anyone here worked with bitcoin's code with the merge mining patches?
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