1 2013-07-21 00:02:29 digitalmagus2 has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
2 2013-07-21 00:08:42 Arnavion3 has joined
3 2013-07-21 00:08:50 Arnavion3 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
4 2013-07-21 00:10:02 Arnavion3 has joined
5 2013-07-21 00:10:05 <ahmedbodi__> anyone here?
6 2013-07-21 00:10:25 AtashiCon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
7 2013-07-21 00:10:29 Arnavion3 is now known as AtashiCon
8 2013-07-21 00:14:57 ralphtheninja has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
9 2013-07-21 00:21:25 <Luke-Jr> ahmedbodi__: you were told there is no such thing a few nights ago.
10 2013-07-21 00:21:39 <ahmedbodi__> huh?
11 2013-07-21 00:22:05 <ahmedbodi__> nvm
12 2013-07-21 00:22:19 <ahmedbodi__> im working with doublec's code here
13 2013-07-21 00:22:26 <ahmedbodi__> https://github.com/doublec/bitcoin/tree/m0.8.1_merged
14 2013-07-21 00:22:59 <weex> ahmedbodi__: it's better to ask your question here anyway
15 2013-07-21 00:23:16 <Luke-Jr> weex: he did. he got answers.
16 2013-07-21 00:23:35 <weex> well there you go then
17 2013-07-21 00:23:39 <Luke-Jr> ahmedbodi__: maybe you should ping doublec specifically
18 2013-07-21 00:24:06 <ahmedbodi__> yeah i did
19 2013-07-21 00:27:32 <ahmedbodi__> the answers i got confused me and by looking at the code i can see that the patches or whatever add rpc command etc to the bitcoin daemon for things like getauxblock which i dont believe is there as standard
20 2013-07-21 00:33:47 <turboroot> Welp, here is possibly what's going up on whatcanidoforbitcoin.org. https://i.minus.com/irSjj8p0frNDG.png
21 2013-07-21 00:37:09 <turboroot> Clicking on each project will bring up more information: https://i.minus.com/ib0VOaFk4aueRj.png
22 2013-07-21 00:38:07 stamit2 has joined
23 2013-07-21 00:41:52 AusBitBank_ has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
24 2013-07-21 00:44:21 mhanne has quit (Quit: Lost terminal)
25 2013-07-21 00:44:57 mhanne has joined
26 2013-07-21 00:44:57 mhanne has quit (Changing host)
27 2013-07-21 00:44:57 mhanne has joined
28 2013-07-21 00:46:23 alexwaters has joined
29 2013-07-21 00:46:23 alexwaters has quit (Changing host)
30 2013-07-21 00:46:23 alexwaters has joined
31 2013-07-21 00:49:16 BNCatDIGISHELL has quit (Quit: changing servers)
32 2013-07-21 00:49:59 alexwate_ has joined
33 2013-07-21 00:51:14 alexwaters has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
34 2013-07-21 00:51:20 Raccoon has quit (Quit: Log This Event!)
35 2013-07-21 00:52:01 agnostic98 has joined
36 2013-07-21 00:54:27 [\\\] has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
37 2013-07-21 00:54:41 Raccoon has joined
38 2013-07-21 01:00:51 stamit2 has left ()
39 2013-07-21 01:01:22 jayne_ is now known as jayne
40 2013-07-21 01:01:38 alexwate_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
41 2013-07-21 01:01:47 AusBitBank_ has joined
42 2013-07-21 01:03:06 [\\\] has joined
43 2013-07-21 01:05:04 RoboTeddy has joined
44 2013-07-21 01:05:15 Raccoon has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
45 2013-07-21 01:07:48 handle has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
46 2013-07-21 01:08:15 handle has joined
47 2013-07-21 01:12:58 robocoin has quit (Quit: robocoin)
48 2013-07-21 01:13:07 rawdr has joined
49 2013-07-21 01:13:21 grau has joined
50 2013-07-21 01:13:23 dermoth has quit (home!~thomas@dsl-66-36-142-253.mtl.aei.ca|Quit: Ex-Chat)
51 2013-07-21 01:15:56 BTCOxygen has joined
52 2013-07-21 01:15:56 BTCOxygen has quit (Killed (rajaniemi.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services)))
53 2013-07-21 01:15:56 BTCOxygen is now known as 1!~BTCOxygen@unaffiliated/oxygen|BTCOxygen
54 2013-07-21 01:16:58 c0rw1n has joined
55 2013-07-21 01:19:38 Raccoon has joined
56 2013-07-21 01:20:08 melvster has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
57 2013-07-21 01:22:26 grau has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
58 2013-07-21 01:23:04 c0rw1n has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
59 2013-07-21 01:24:18 copumpkin has joined
60 2013-07-21 01:25:37 cads has joined
61 2013-07-21 01:27:46 macboz has joined
62 2013-07-21 01:40:00 a_meteorite has joined
63 2013-07-21 01:40:21 a_meteorite is now known as Guest61162
64 2013-07-21 01:42:33 RoboTeddy has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
65 2013-07-21 01:43:02 andyh2 has joined
66 2013-07-21 01:43:50 WKNiGHT- is now known as WKNiGHT
67 2013-07-21 01:50:23 Guest61162 has left ()
68 2013-07-21 01:59:00 stamit2 has joined
69 2013-07-21 02:02:00 alexwaters has joined
70 2013-07-21 02:02:00 alexwaters has quit (Changing host)
71 2013-07-21 02:02:00 alexwaters has joined
72 2013-07-21 02:03:06 bmcgee has quit (Quit: bmcgee)
73 2013-07-21 02:03:35 normanrichards has joined
74 2013-07-21 02:04:01 toffoo has joined
75 2013-07-21 02:06:57 alexwaters has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
76 2013-07-21 02:09:13 bmcgee has joined
77 2013-07-21 02:23:34 Subo1978 has joined
78 2013-07-21 02:27:00 Subo1978_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
79 2013-07-21 02:27:26 johnsoft has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
80 2013-07-21 02:34:22 stamit2 has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
81 2013-07-21 02:35:14 bmcgee has quit (Quit: bmcgee)
82 2013-07-21 02:40:11 stamit has joined
83 2013-07-21 02:46:52 stamit has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
84 2013-07-21 02:47:03 stamit has joined
85 2013-07-21 02:47:21 stamit has quit (Client Quit)
86 2013-07-21 02:47:58 stamit has joined
87 2013-07-21 02:48:08 stamit has quit (Client Quit)
88 2013-07-21 02:49:41 stamit has joined
89 2013-07-21 02:49:52 stamit has quit (Changing host)
90 2013-07-21 02:49:52 stamit has joined
91 2013-07-21 03:01:36 grau has joined
92 2013-07-21 03:02:09 saintcajetan has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
93 2013-07-21 03:02:36 alexwaters has joined
94 2013-07-21 03:05:59 grau has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
95 2013-07-21 03:07:18 alexwaters has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
96 2013-07-21 03:09:21 BNCatDIGISHELL has joined
97 2013-07-21 03:10:32 saintcajetan has joined
98 2013-07-21 03:11:09 malaimo has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
99 2013-07-21 03:12:53 malaimo has joined
100 2013-07-21 03:25:57 stamit has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
101 2013-07-21 03:27:41 h2odysee has joined
102 2013-07-21 03:28:23 owowo has quit (Quit: dead)
103 2013-07-21 03:29:35 Prattler has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
104 2013-07-21 03:32:21 Prattler has joined
105 2013-07-21 03:33:26 MiningBuddy has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
106 2013-07-21 03:33:39 Diablo-D3 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
107 2013-07-21 03:46:17 Diablo-D3 has joined
108 2013-07-21 03:57:02 [7] has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
109 2013-07-21 03:58:57 TheSeven has joined
110 2013-07-21 04:00:58 saintcajetan has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
111 2013-07-21 04:03:05 alexwaters has joined
112 2013-07-21 04:03:05 alexwaters has quit (Changing host)
113 2013-07-21 04:03:05 alexwaters has joined
114 2013-07-21 04:07:58 alexwaters has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
115 2013-07-21 04:08:24 copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
116 2013-07-21 04:08:30 k9quaint_ is now known as k9quaint
117 2013-07-21 04:09:02 copumpkin has joined
118 2013-07-21 04:09:58 shesek has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
119 2013-07-21 04:15:02 saintcajetan has joined
120 2013-07-21 04:21:25 saintcajetan has quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
121 2013-07-21 04:22:33 agricocb has joined
122 2013-07-21 04:42:28 cads has quit (Quit: Leaving)
123 2013-07-21 04:43:31 grau has joined
124 2013-07-21 04:43:51 hsmiths has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
125 2013-07-21 04:44:45 hsmiths has joined
126 2013-07-21 04:52:48 sserrano44 has joined
127 2013-07-21 05:00:11 cads has joined
128 2013-07-21 05:03:26 magicpig has joined
129 2013-07-21 05:03:36 alexwaters has joined
130 2013-07-21 05:04:09 PrimeStunna has joined
131 2013-07-21 05:07:54 alexwaters has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
132 2013-07-21 05:11:25 RazielXYZ has joined
133 2013-07-21 05:14:25 RazielZ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
134 2013-07-21 05:21:22 hsmiths has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
135 2013-07-21 05:29:09 hsmiths has joined
136 2013-07-21 05:31:54 hsmiths has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
137 2013-07-21 05:33:36 hsmiths has joined
138 2013-07-21 05:33:58 Krellan_ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
139 2013-07-21 05:35:34 gavinandresen has quit (Quit: gavinandresen)
140 2013-07-21 05:35:35 Guest59333 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
141 2013-07-21 05:36:12 px has joined
142 2013-07-21 05:37:07 RoboTeddy has joined
143 2013-07-21 05:37:39 swulf-- has joined
144 2013-07-21 05:37:40 Guest79759 has joined
145 2013-07-21 05:38:01 <swulf--> LevelDB read failure: Corruption: block checksum mismatch / *** System error: Database corrupted / Error: System error: Database corrupted / Error: System error: Database corrupted .. is there a plasant way of handling this?
146 2013-07-21 05:38:08 daktak has quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.)
147 2013-07-21 05:38:31 daktak has joined
148 2013-07-21 05:39:29 gavinandresen has joined
149 2013-07-21 05:39:29 gavinandresen has quit (Changing host)
150 2013-07-21 05:39:29 gavinandresen has joined
151 2013-07-21 05:44:41 px has quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)
152 2013-07-21 05:46:06 px has joined
153 2013-07-21 05:48:36 ahmedbodi__ is now known as ahmed_bodi
154 2013-07-21 05:48:48 Krellan_ has joined
155 2013-07-21 05:49:38 Krellan_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
156 2013-07-21 05:49:44 Krellan_ has joined
157 2013-07-21 05:50:37 Krellan__ has joined
158 2013-07-21 05:53:15 viperhr has joined
159 2013-07-21 05:54:22 Krellan_ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
160 2013-07-21 06:00:44 Krellan_ has joined
161 2013-07-21 06:02:40 Krellan__ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
162 2013-07-21 06:04:06 alexwaters has joined
163 2013-07-21 06:05:59 Krellan_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
164 2013-07-21 06:08:27 alexwaters has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
165 2013-07-21 06:11:07 Krellan_ has joined
166 2013-07-21 06:11:44 viperhr has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
167 2013-07-21 06:12:33 Krellan__ has joined
168 2013-07-21 06:13:24 mintmoneyman has joined
169 2013-07-21 06:15:08 mintmoney has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
170 2013-07-21 06:15:09 <Luke-Jr> swulf--: -reindex
171 2013-07-21 06:15:27 <Luke-Jr> although that's still downtime (and misreporting until it's done!)
172 2013-07-21 06:15:34 Krellan_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
173 2013-07-21 06:16:01 <swulf--> yeah, running reindex. the wallet.dat is soooooooooo slow...
174 2013-07-21 06:16:09 <swulf--> but it doesn't help that i have 600k+ keys in the wallet
175 2013-07-21 06:16:30 <swulf--> *the wallet.dat load
176 2013-07-21 06:19:39 Krellan_ has joined
177 2013-07-21 06:21:39 MiningBuddy has joined
178 2013-07-21 06:21:51 MiningBuddy has quit (Changing host)
179 2013-07-21 06:21:51 MiningBuddy has joined
180 2013-07-21 06:21:53 Krellan_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
181 2013-07-21 06:22:15 Krellan_ has joined
182 2013-07-21 06:23:10 Krellan__ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
183 2013-07-21 06:24:58 copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
184 2013-07-21 06:25:29 fluxbox has joined
185 2013-07-21 06:25:46 copumpkin has joined
186 2013-07-21 06:26:37 johnsoft has joined
187 2013-07-21 06:28:29 Krellan_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
188 2013-07-21 06:29:35 Krellan_ has joined
189 2013-07-21 06:30:41 toffoo has quit ()
190 2013-07-21 06:36:24 Krellan__ has joined
191 2013-07-21 06:38:16 Krellan__ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
192 2013-07-21 06:38:46 Krellan__ has joined
193 2013-07-21 06:39:28 Krella___ has joined
194 2013-07-21 06:39:45 Krellan_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
195 2013-07-21 06:40:41 barmstrong has joined
196 2013-07-21 06:43:34 Krellan__ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
197 2013-07-21 06:46:12 Krellan_ has joined
198 2013-07-21 06:47:36 Krella___ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
199 2013-07-21 06:49:29 daktak has quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.)
200 2013-07-21 06:49:54 daktak has joined
201 2013-07-21 06:52:00 copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
202 2013-07-21 06:52:14 zer0def has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
203 2013-07-21 06:53:28 copumpkin has joined
204 2013-07-21 06:58:31 agnostic98 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
205 2013-07-21 07:02:37 melvster has joined
206 2013-07-21 07:03:02 paracyst has quit ()
207 2013-07-21 07:04:22 rdponticelli has quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.)
208 2013-07-21 07:11:26 Krellan_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
209 2013-07-21 07:11:33 serialbandicoot has joined
210 2013-07-21 07:11:35 Krellan_ has joined
211 2013-07-21 07:12:25 talso has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
212 2013-07-21 07:13:45 talso has joined
213 2013-07-21 07:13:58 normanrichards has quit (Quit: normanrichards)
214 2013-07-21 07:15:06 rdponticelli has joined
215 2013-07-21 07:16:04 Krellan__ has joined
216 2013-07-21 07:16:27 RoboHege has joined
217 2013-07-21 07:16:58 ericmuyser has joined
218 2013-07-21 07:17:15 ericmuyser has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
219 2013-07-21 07:18:58 Krellan_ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
220 2013-07-21 07:20:20 Krellan_ has joined
221 2013-07-21 07:20:46 ericmuyser has joined
222 2013-07-21 07:20:49 daktak has quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.)
223 2013-07-21 07:21:18 daktak has joined
224 2013-07-21 07:22:15 Krellan__ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
225 2013-07-21 07:22:40 a_meteorite has joined
226 2013-07-21 07:22:51 a_meteorite is now known as Guest84745
227 2013-07-21 07:25:54 Guest84745 has left ()
228 2013-07-21 07:27:22 macboz has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
229 2013-07-21 07:27:25 <CodeShark> Pull Tester: unknown location(0): fatal error in "CreateNewBlock_validity": std::runtime_error: CDB() : can't open database file , error 2
230 2013-07-21 07:29:25 PrimeStunna has quit (Quit: PrimeStunna)
231 2013-07-21 07:30:07 <CodeShark> BlueMatt, you around?
232 2013-07-21 07:30:07 <sipa> heh
233 2013-07-21 07:30:28 <sipa> it should use wallets in a gtem
234 2013-07-21 07:30:33 <sipa> in a temp dir
235 2013-07-21 07:32:04 peetaur2 has joined
236 2013-07-21 07:32:16 <sipa> or in memory even
237 2013-07-21 07:34:42 alexwaters has joined
238 2013-07-21 07:34:42 alexwaters has quit (Changing host)
239 2013-07-21 07:34:42 alexwaters has joined
240 2013-07-21 07:36:36 serialbandicoot has quit (Quit: serialbandicoot)
241 2013-07-21 07:36:56 Krellan_ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
242 2013-07-21 07:39:06 Krellan_ has joined
243 2013-07-21 07:40:44 Edward_Black has joined
244 2013-07-21 07:42:16 Krellan_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
245 2013-07-21 07:42:22 alexwaters has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
246 2013-07-21 07:42:43 Krellan_ has joined
247 2013-07-21 07:43:53 gavinandresen has quit (Quit: gavinandresen)
248 2013-07-21 07:44:56 paraipan has joined
249 2013-07-21 07:45:26 Edward_Black has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
250 2013-07-21 07:46:48 yubrew has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
251 2013-07-21 07:50:48 gavinandresen has joined
252 2013-07-21 07:57:11 agnostic98 has joined
253 2013-07-21 07:58:34 Krellan_ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
254 2013-07-21 07:59:54 gavinandresen has quit (Quit: gavinandresen)
255 2013-07-21 08:00:00 Krellan_ has joined
256 2013-07-21 08:00:09 Krellan_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
257 2013-07-21 08:00:09 agnostic98 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
258 2013-07-21 08:00:37 Krellan_ has joined
259 2013-07-21 08:00:58 serialbandicoot has joined
260 2013-07-21 08:01:29 macboz has joined
261 2013-07-21 08:03:26 macboz has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
262 2013-07-21 08:04:00 macboz has joined
263 2013-07-21 08:08:43 Krellan_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
264 2013-07-21 08:09:36 gavinandresen has joined
265 2013-07-21 08:11:55 one_zero has joined
266 2013-07-21 08:13:05 sacredchao has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
267 2013-07-21 08:13:33 sacredchao has joined
268 2013-07-21 08:13:36 saintcajetan has joined
269 2013-07-21 08:19:26 andyh2 has quit (Quit: Leaving...)
270 2013-07-21 08:19:49 <swulf--> SetBestChain: new best=0000000000000afb91703d071ae630c4d15102026c7a008c704f16e7f42ec39c height=169793 log2_work=67.787176 tx=2560234 date=2012-03-05 20:52:32 progress=0.047699 / ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED / LevelDB read failure: Corruption: block checksum mismatch / *** System error: Database corrupted / Error: System error: Database corrupted / Error: System error: Database corrupted /
271 2013-07-21 08:19:49 <swulf--> ERROR: AcceptBlock() : AddToBlockIndex failed / ERROR: ProcessBlock() : AcceptBlock FAILED / Loaded 6069 blocks from external file in 187537ms / Reindexing block file blk00008.dat... / Flush(false)
272 2013-07-21 08:20:07 <swulf--> How do I resolve this?
273 2013-07-21 08:20:48 saintcajetan has quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
274 2013-07-21 08:30:01 <sipa> have you run with -reindex ?
275 2013-07-21 08:30:14 <sipa> apparently yes
276 2013-07-21 08:30:43 <sipa> was this during a reindex?
277 2013-07-21 08:31:07 <swulf--> well
278 2013-07-21 08:31:16 <swulf--> i ran a reindex because of a corruption message
279 2013-07-21 08:31:24 <swulf--> and this message came out and stopped the reindex
280 2013-07-21 08:31:38 <sipa> what os/hardware?
281 2013-07-21 08:31:40 <swulf--> so reindex didn't fix the corruption?
282 2013-07-21 08:31:56 <sipa> it does, it wipes the database and rebuilds it from scratch
283 2013-07-21 08:32:00 <swulf--> Linux bvc 2.6.32-5-686-bigmem #1 SMP Mon Feb 25 01:53:47 UTC 2013 i686 GNU/Linux
284 2013-07-21 08:32:18 <sipa> but there must be something on your system causing it to get corrupted again
285 2013-07-21 08:32:29 <swulf--> interesting?
286 2013-07-21 08:32:30 <swulf--> how
287 2013-07-21 08:32:40 <swulf--> bitcoind is the only thing running
288 2013-07-21 08:32:48 <sipa> what hardware?
289 2013-07-21 08:33:14 <swulf--> specifically?
290 2013-07-21 08:33:25 <swulf--> intel atom cpu
291 2013-07-21 08:33:28 <sipa> cpu, disk, memory
292 2013-07-21 08:33:33 <swulf--> 4gb ram
293 2013-07-21 08:34:05 <sipa> disk?
294 2013-07-21 08:34:17 <swulf--> forgot how to check the disk identifier in linux
295 2013-07-21 08:34:29 <swulf--> 2TB disk
296 2013-07-21 08:34:37 <sipa> encrypted?
297 2013-07-21 08:34:41 <swulf--> yes
298 2013-07-21 08:34:48 <sipa> how?
299 2013-07-21 08:34:54 <swulf--> loop-AES
300 2013-07-21 08:36:00 <sipa> could you try bitcoind outside of the encrypted fs?
301 2013-07-21 08:36:13 <swulf--> hmm
302 2013-07-21 08:36:15 <swulf--> not trivially
303 2013-07-21 08:36:32 <swulf--> but i suppose i could
304 2013-07-21 08:36:45 <sipa> i don't know whether it is related, but i would really like to know what is causimg this
305 2013-07-21 08:36:59 <swulf--> you've seen it before?
306 2013-07-21 08:37:06 <sipa> we frequently get corruption reports, but rarely from people running linux
307 2013-07-21 08:37:44 <swulf--> I would be dumbfounded if the encryption was at fault - it's supposed to be transparent... and the majority of the disk is using loop-aes, even our mysql db, which doesn't have any corruption
308 2013-07-21 08:38:13 <sipa> well the way that leveldb accesses the fs may be different
309 2013-07-21 08:38:35 <sipa> another thing that's perhaps worth trying is runnijng memtest86 for a while
310 2013-07-21 08:38:43 <swulf--> a userspace app would have no access to the disk outside of the mountpoint, though
311 2013-07-21 08:38:46 <sipa> to see if you have memory problems
312 2013-07-21 08:38:54 alexwaters has joined
313 2013-07-21 08:38:54 alexwaters has quit (Changing host)
314 2013-07-21 08:38:54 alexwaters has joined
315 2013-07-21 08:39:01 <sipa> yeah, i know
316 2013-07-21 08:39:29 <sipa> it should be transparent
317 2013-07-21 08:39:31 <swulf--> I'm running reindex a second time to see if the corruption occurs in the same place
318 2013-07-21 08:39:45 <sipa> it won't
319 2013-07-21 08:39:50 <swulf--> if it does...?
320 2013-07-21 08:40:04 <sipa> then something very weird is going on
321 2013-07-21 08:40:15 <sipa> it's likely to fail at a random place
322 2013-07-21 08:40:21 <sipa> if it faiols frewquently
323 2013-07-21 08:40:21 <swulf--> last time it died at 169793... current reindex is up to 150000
324 2013-07-21 08:40:23 <swulf--> so soon
325 2013-07-21 08:40:30 <sipa> oww
326 2013-07-21 08:40:35 <sipa> fails frequently
327 2013-07-21 08:42:04 <sipa> you can increase the db cache size to speed up reindexing
328 2013-07-21 08:42:15 <swulf--> command line or config file?
329 2013-07-21 08:42:20 <sipa> -dbcache=1000 to give it 1 GB
330 2013-07-21 08:42:23 <sipa> either
331 2013-07-21 08:42:32 <swulf--> happen to know the current default?
332 2013-07-21 08:42:36 <sipa> 25
333 2013-07-21 08:42:42 <swulf--> ok
334 2013-07-21 08:43:02 <sipa> oh, 32-bit or 64-bit build?
335 2013-07-21 08:43:47 <swulf--> 32-bit
336 2013-07-21 08:43:48 alexwaters has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
337 2013-07-21 08:44:15 <sipa> ok, don't go over dbcache 1000 or 1500 or so
338 2013-07-21 08:44:26 <swulf--> right
339 2013-07-21 08:47:53 <swulf--> just surpassed height 170k
340 2013-07-21 08:48:08 px has quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)
341 2013-07-21 08:48:14 <sipa> i have to go, please let me know what happened
342 2013-07-21 08:48:20 <swulf--> ok, will do
343 2013-07-21 08:48:22 <swulf--> thanks
344 2013-07-21 08:48:22 stalled has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
345 2013-07-21 08:49:29 zer0def has joined
346 2013-07-21 08:57:45 agnostic98 has joined
347 2013-07-21 08:58:14 has quit (Clown|!Clown@unaffiliated/clown/x-0272709|)
348 2013-07-21 08:58:31 has joined
349 2013-07-21 08:58:31 has quit (Clown|!~clown@2001-4dd0-203e-1-f532-4a29-2551-730.ipv6dyn.netcologne.de|Changing host)
350 2013-07-21 08:58:31 has joined
351 2013-07-21 08:59:09 stalled has joined
352 2013-07-21 08:59:46 iddo_ has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
353 2013-07-21 08:59:53 iddo has joined
354 2013-07-21 09:00:26 yubrew has joined
355 2013-07-21 09:00:30 agnostic98 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
356 2013-07-21 09:04:06 tsst has joined
357 2013-07-21 09:04:36 tsst has quit (Client Quit)
358 2013-07-21 09:04:42 imton_ has joined
359 2013-07-21 09:05:35 imton has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
360 2013-07-21 09:07:39 jayne has quit (Quit: Quit)
361 2013-07-21 09:11:08 imton_ has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
362 2013-07-21 09:14:48 imton has joined
363 2013-07-21 09:15:04 troc has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
364 2013-07-21 09:19:48 yubrew has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
365 2013-07-21 09:20:34 dvide has joined
366 2013-07-21 09:21:15 jayne has joined
367 2013-07-21 09:25:08 AusBitBank__ has joined
368 2013-07-21 09:25:22 AusBitBank_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
369 2013-07-21 09:25:44 gavinandresen has quit (Quit: gavinandresen)
370 2013-07-21 09:35:32 Eiii has quit ()
371 2013-07-21 09:41:04 Insti has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
372 2013-07-21 09:41:27 Insti has joined
373 2013-07-21 09:42:27 Elmf has joined
374 2013-07-21 09:43:28 ralphtheninja has joined
375 2013-07-21 09:51:09 c0rw1n has joined
376 2013-07-21 09:54:56 AusBitBank__ has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
377 2013-07-21 09:57:30 AusBitBank__ has joined
378 2013-07-21 09:59:04 agnostic98 has joined
379 2013-07-21 10:01:01 andyh2 has joined
380 2013-07-21 10:01:01 agnostic98 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
381 2013-07-21 10:03:23 gjj_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
382 2013-07-21 10:09:26 alexwaters has joined
383 2013-07-21 10:14:07 macboz_ has joined
384 2013-07-21 10:15:34 yubrew has joined
385 2013-07-21 10:15:40 macboz has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
386 2013-07-21 10:16:30 <BlueMatt> CodeShark: pong
387 2013-07-21 10:16:50 alexwaters has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
388 2013-07-21 10:23:32 gritball has joined
389 2013-07-21 10:25:11 iwilcox has joined
390 2013-07-21 10:26:28 yubrew has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
391 2013-07-21 10:34:35 Edward_Black has joined
392 2013-07-21 10:34:49 agnostic98 has joined
393 2013-07-21 10:37:06 yubrew has joined
394 2013-07-21 10:37:58 agnostic98 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
395 2013-07-21 10:44:39 Edward_Black has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
396 2013-07-21 10:45:54 saintcajetan has joined
397 2013-07-21 10:47:08 gjj has joined
398 2013-07-21 10:47:13 gjj has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
399 2013-07-21 10:47:46 gjj has joined
400 2013-07-21 10:51:15 catcowllama has joined
401 2013-07-21 10:51:57 saintcajetan has quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
402 2013-07-21 10:53:55 catcow has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
403 2013-07-21 10:56:47 Edward_Black has joined
404 2013-07-21 10:59:39 <CodeShark> Hi, BlueMatt
405 2013-07-21 11:00:34 <CodeShark> so PullTester is apparently struggling to open the database
406 2013-07-21 11:01:11 <BlueMatt> what database?
407 2013-07-21 11:03:31 <CodeShark> Pull Tester: unknown location(0): fatal error in "CreateNewBlock_validity": std::runtime_error: CDB() : can't open database file , error 2
408 2013-07-21 11:03:38 <BlueMatt> ohh
409 2013-07-21 11:05:09 <BlueMatt> CodeShark: link?
410 2013-07-21 11:05:34 <CodeShark> http://jenkins.bluematt.me/pull-tester/a995ad65d6a584f2f6a7523734b510ebbd7fac68/
411 2013-07-21 11:05:42 agnostic98 has joined
412 2013-07-21 11:06:29 <BlueMatt> hmm...I wonder if gavin broke it
413 2013-07-21 11:06:49 <BlueMatt> CodeShark: I reset that commit, but it didnt reset (is it a pull's head?)
414 2013-07-21 11:07:06 <CodeShark> yes
415 2013-07-21 11:07:43 <CodeShark> pull 2841
416 2013-07-21 11:08:12 <CodeShark> or hmm
417 2013-07-21 11:08:23 <CodeShark> sorry, this commit: http://jenkins.bluematt.me/pull-tester/ce2c87ffe48502656eaa4e9cc657afc501aec91d/
418 2013-07-21 11:08:25 <CodeShark> same error
419 2013-07-21 11:09:02 agnostic98 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
420 2013-07-21 11:12:11 Edward_Black has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
421 2013-07-21 11:13:38 alexwaters has joined
422 2013-07-21 11:13:38 alexwaters has quit (Changing host)
423 2013-07-21 11:13:38 alexwaters has joined
424 2013-07-21 11:15:59 <CodeShark> and now the head of that pull is 476f73e5ac0cc344eeaaa6e6d13e11f992282375
425 2013-07-21 11:16:00 BurtyB has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
426 2013-07-21 11:18:05 daybyter has joined
427 2013-07-21 11:18:11 alexwaters has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
428 2013-07-21 11:20:18 Edward_Black has joined
429 2013-07-21 11:23:38 andyh2 has quit (Quit: Leaving...)
430 2013-07-21 11:30:36 ralphtheninja has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
431 2013-07-21 11:31:32 owowo has joined
432 2013-07-21 11:35:35 datagutt has joined
433 2013-07-21 11:36:46 agnostic98 has joined
434 2013-07-21 11:36:47 Guest83631 has quit ()
435 2013-07-21 11:38:08 Guest83631 has joined
436 2013-07-21 11:38:09 agnostic98 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
437 2013-07-21 11:38:38 <BlueMatt> CodeShark: no idea, and I cant fix it now....
438 2013-07-21 11:39:21 <CodeShark> oh well - could it at least be turned off as to not clutter up the pull request discussion?
439 2013-07-21 11:39:35 <BlueMatt> yea, pull-tester is off
440 2013-07-21 11:40:00 <CodeShark> excellent, thanks
441 2013-07-21 11:40:17 <CodeShark> could the comments be removed as well?
442 2013-07-21 11:43:45 yubrew has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
443 2013-07-21 11:44:38 saintcajetan has joined
444 2013-07-21 11:48:26 saintcajetan has quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
445 2013-07-21 11:48:29 BurtyB has joined
446 2013-07-21 11:51:59 macboz has joined
447 2013-07-21 11:52:33 mappum has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
448 2013-07-21 11:54:20 guruvan has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
449 2013-07-21 11:54:57 macboz_ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
450 2013-07-21 11:55:35 Edward_Black has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
451 2013-07-21 11:55:40 guruvan has joined
452 2013-07-21 12:00:33 <CodeShark> why doesn't getbalance "*" 0 return the total balance (including unconfirmed) anymore?
453 2013-07-21 12:04:10 <CodeShark> if (!wtx.IsConfirmed()) continue;
454 2013-07-21 12:04:14 <CodeShark> that doesn't seem like correct behavior
455 2013-07-21 12:04:35 <CodeShark> I used to use getbalance "*" 0 a lot in the past to check balance (including unconfirmed)
456 2013-07-21 12:05:43 saintcajetan has joined
457 2013-07-21 12:07:04 Edward_Black has joined
458 2013-07-21 12:07:50 agnostic98 has joined
459 2013-07-21 12:08:56 agnostic98 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
460 2013-07-21 12:11:38 <CodeShark> ARGH! https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/172
461 2013-07-21 12:12:39 <CodeShark> so what's the new way to get full balance (including unconfirmed) for all accounts?
462 2013-07-21 12:13:34 saintcajetan has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
463 2013-07-21 12:14:09 alexwaters has joined
464 2013-07-21 12:18:25 alexwaters has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
465 2013-07-21 12:19:03 yubrew has joined
466 2013-07-21 12:19:41 CheckDavid has joined
467 2013-07-21 12:24:02 [Author] has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
468 2013-07-21 12:28:30 viperhr has joined
469 2013-07-21 12:29:40 [Author] has joined
470 2013-07-21 12:30:10 ahmed_bodi has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
471 2013-07-21 12:30:25 one_zero has quit ()
472 2013-07-21 12:37:07 Edward_Black has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
473 2013-07-21 12:38:55 agnostic98 has joined
474 2013-07-21 12:41:28 agnostic98 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
475 2013-07-21 12:49:26 bmcgee has joined
476 2013-07-21 12:49:43 copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
477 2013-07-21 12:50:16 cads has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
478 2013-07-21 12:50:21 copumpkin has joined
479 2013-07-21 13:06:30 Arbition has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
480 2013-07-21 13:09:53 arthurb has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
481 2013-07-21 13:09:58 agnostic98 has joined
482 2013-07-21 13:10:26 Lolcust has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
483 2013-07-21 13:12:29 Lolcust has joined
484 2013-07-21 13:12:57 agnostic98 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
485 2013-07-21 13:13:22 grau has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
486 2013-07-21 13:14:37 alexwaters has joined
487 2013-07-21 13:15:05 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
488 2013-07-21 13:15:41 Arbition has joined
489 2013-07-21 13:16:15 yubrew has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
490 2013-07-21 13:16:39 grau has joined
491 2013-07-21 13:17:05 debiantoruser has joined
492 2013-07-21 13:18:59 daybyter has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
493 2013-07-21 13:20:43 alexwaters has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
494 2013-07-21 13:21:21 Lolcust has quit (Quit: Nap time)
495 2013-07-21 13:21:37 Lolcust has joined
496 2013-07-21 13:22:49 RoboHege has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
497 2013-07-21 13:23:19 grau has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
498 2013-07-21 13:23:58 grau has joined
499 2013-07-21 13:24:04 RoboHege has joined
500 2013-07-21 13:24:20 RoboHege_ has joined
501 2013-07-21 13:24:35 RoboHege__ has joined
502 2013-07-21 13:26:20 grau_ has joined
503 2013-07-21 13:26:27 grau has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
504 2013-07-21 13:26:43 RoboHege has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
505 2013-07-21 13:26:43 RoboHege__ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
506 2013-07-21 13:26:43 RoboHege_ has quit (Write error: Broken pipe)
507 2013-07-21 13:26:44 yubrew has joined
508 2013-07-21 13:27:41 grau_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
509 2013-07-21 13:28:40 grau has joined
510 2013-07-21 13:29:46 Lolcust has quit (Quit: Nap time)
511 2013-07-21 13:29:46 grau has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
512 2013-07-21 13:29:54 Lolcust has joined
513 2013-07-21 13:30:48 grau has joined
514 2013-07-21 13:30:51 guyguyguyguy has joined
515 2013-07-21 13:33:42 grau has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
516 2013-07-21 13:34:51 saintcajetan has joined
517 2013-07-21 13:34:56 mintmoneyman has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
518 2013-07-21 13:35:54 theo_ has joined
519 2013-07-21 13:36:00 grau has joined
520 2013-07-21 13:36:13 saintcajetan has quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
521 2013-07-21 13:36:55 RoboHege has joined
522 2013-07-21 13:37:05 grau has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
523 2013-07-21 13:37:14 RoboHege has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
524 2013-07-21 13:38:57 RoboHege has joined
525 2013-07-21 13:38:58 theo` has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
526 2013-07-21 13:39:08 RoboHege has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
527 2013-07-21 13:39:15 ralphtheninja has joined
528 2013-07-21 13:39:32 saintcajetan has joined
529 2013-07-21 13:40:13 grau has joined
530 2013-07-21 13:40:46 handle_ has joined
531 2013-07-21 13:40:51 macboz_ has joined
532 2013-07-21 13:41:00 handle has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
533 2013-07-21 13:41:02 agnostic98 has joined
534 2013-07-21 13:41:04 grau has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
535 2013-07-21 13:42:00 RoboHege has joined
536 2013-07-21 13:42:17 grau has joined
537 2013-07-21 13:42:57 macboz has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
538 2013-07-21 13:44:27 agnostic98 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
539 2013-07-21 13:45:20 RoboHege has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
540 2013-07-21 13:46:06 grau has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
541 2013-07-21 13:46:53 grau has joined
542 2013-07-21 13:47:00 <bmcgee> hey with approx. 1300 khash/sec what's a ballpark time for mining a difficulty 1 block?
543 2013-07-21 13:47:19 Vinnie_win_y has joined
544 2013-07-21 13:47:56 <sipa> ;;calc 2**32 / 1300000
545 2013-07-21 13:47:56 <gribble> 3303.82099692
546 2013-07-21 13:48:00 <sipa> an hour
547 2013-07-21 13:48:19 <swulf--> sipa: reindex still going this time around...
548 2013-07-21 13:48:28 <swulf--> many, many hours later..
549 2013-07-21 13:48:56 <sipa> ok
550 2013-07-21 13:48:59 Vinnie_win_y_i has joined
551 2013-07-21 13:49:06 <sipa> i don't expect that to do fast on an atom cpu
552 2013-07-21 13:49:29 Vinnie_win has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
553 2013-07-21 13:49:31 <swulf--> i wasn't expecting blazing fast, but not this long either :)
554 2013-07-21 13:49:51 <bmcgee> so the general calc is 2^32 / hashes per sec
555 2013-07-21 13:50:05 <sipa> the correct one is actually
556 2013-07-21 13:50:08 <swulf--> it'd be really awesome if reindex could be start/stopped at certain a block or tx index so that it could be interrupted
557 2013-07-21 13:50:23 <sipa> swulf--: you can arbitrarily stop and continue
558 2013-07-21 13:50:30 <sipa> just exit the client, and it will continue next time
559 2013-07-21 13:50:44 <sipa> ;;calc 2**48 / 65535 / 1300000
560 2013-07-21 13:50:44 <gribble> 3303.87141
561 2013-07-21 13:50:56 <sipa> but as you can see, 2**32 is a pretty good approximation :)
562 2013-07-21 13:51:07 <bmcgee> yeah lol cool good to know
563 2013-07-21 13:51:15 <swulf--> sipa: ctrl-z? :P
564 2013-07-21 13:51:31 <sipa> swulf--: KILL
565 2013-07-21 13:51:31 <swulf--> oh, really?
566 2013-07-21 13:51:36 <bmcgee> sipa: seems integration testing with my little mac miniâ¦. not a viable option. If only I had myself an ASIC...
567 2013-07-21 13:51:37 <swulf--> but /without/ -reindex, right?
568 2013-07-21 13:51:41 Vinnie_win_y has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
569 2013-07-21 13:51:52 <sipa> swulf--: indeed, -reindex will start over
570 2013-07-21 13:52:05 <swulf--> if a corruption occurs during the reindex, then i have no choice but to start over?
571 2013-07-21 13:52:11 <sipa> indeed
572 2013-07-21 13:52:27 <sipa> you can create a backup of chainstate
573 2013-07-21 13:52:34 <sipa> (while the client is not running)
574 2013-07-21 13:52:35 <swulf--> is it a single file?
575 2013-07-21 13:52:37 <sipa> no
576 2013-07-21 13:53:03 <swulf--> what should be backed up?
577 2013-07-21 13:53:21 <sipa> chainstate
578 2013-07-21 13:53:30 <sipa> $DATADIR/chainstate
579 2013-07-21 13:53:59 <swulf--> awesome
580 2013-07-21 13:54:19 <swulf--> ~250mb
581 2013-07-21 13:55:03 viperhr has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
582 2013-07-21 13:56:09 <swulf--> sipa: what kind of data is stored in the chainstate db?
583 2013-07-21 13:56:17 <sipa> the UTXO set
584 2013-07-21 13:56:51 <swulf--> are utxo's with amount=0 stored?
585 2013-07-21 13:56:57 <sipa> yes, they have to
586 2013-07-21 13:57:04 <sipa> as they can legally be spent
587 2013-07-21 13:57:05 <swulf--> because they can technically be unspent ?
588 2013-07-21 13:57:09 <swulf--> s/un//
589 2013-07-21 13:57:12 <sipa> yes
590 2013-07-21 13:57:17 <swulf--> makes sense
591 2013-07-21 14:00:45 Arbition has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
592 2013-07-21 14:00:54 frank__ has quit (Quit: Leaving)
593 2013-07-21 14:06:14 <gmaxwell> I think its surprising that its taking many hours though.
594 2013-07-21 14:06:32 <swulf--> quite literally, about 4 hours now?
595 2013-07-21 14:06:45 <swulf--> with -dbcache=1000
596 2013-07-21 14:07:03 <sipa> gmaxwell: on an atom cpu?
597 2013-07-21 14:07:07 <sipa> in 32-bit mode
598 2013-07-21 14:07:18 <sipa> probably just 1 or 2 cores for sig checking
599 2013-07-21 14:08:43 MC1984 has quit (Quit: Leaving)
600 2013-07-21 14:09:48 ahmed_bodi has joined
601 2013-07-21 14:10:48 <gmaxwell> Fair enough. To some extent "many, many hours later" was getting translated to 18 in my mind, not 4.
602 2013-07-21 14:10:58 <swulf--> Sorry :)
603 2013-07-21 14:11:21 bmcgee has quit (Quit: bmcgee)
604 2013-07-21 14:11:50 <sipa> swulf--: what block are you at?
605 2013-07-21 14:12:06 agnostic98 has joined
606 2013-07-21 14:12:52 <swulf--> 230011
607 2013-07-21 14:13:08 <swulf--> since about 225k, it takes about 10 seconds to process 3-4 blocks
608 2013-07-21 14:13:28 <sipa> yeah, signature checking
609 2013-07-21 14:13:36 <swulf--> ooo just squeezed in 5 :P
610 2013-07-21 14:13:43 <swulf--> probably a block with low tx count
611 2013-07-21 14:15:10 agnostic98 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
612 2013-07-21 14:16:04 <gmaxwell> Atom also has some odd performance properties. E.g. bitscanreverse is like 1 cycle on i7 and like 20 cycles on atom.
613 2013-07-21 14:17:08 <sipa> yes, but who needs _that_ ?
614 2013-07-21 14:17:14 alexwaters has joined
615 2013-07-21 14:17:31 fluxbox___ has joined
616 2013-07-21 14:18:36 <gmaxwell> sipa: you use it in entropy coders. :) it's not the only thing that is odd on atom though its one of the worst differences.
617 2013-07-21 14:18:58 <gmaxwell> The multipliers on atom have much lower throughput too, though not 20x slower.
618 2013-07-21 14:19:20 fluxbox has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
619 2013-07-21 14:21:01 <sipa> (it was a probably way too obscure reference to xkcd 619)
620 2013-07-21 14:21:14 catcowllama is now known as catcow
621 2013-07-21 14:21:23 <gmaxwell> haha!
622 2013-07-21 14:21:50 alexwaters has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
623 2013-07-21 14:22:16 * sipa tests headers-first sync
624 2013-07-21 14:22:22 <sipa> well, headers-first-and-then-nothing
625 2013-07-21 14:22:29 <sipa> ok, segfault
626 2013-07-21 14:22:31 <gmaxwell> hahah.
627 2013-07-21 14:22:35 <swulf--> sipa: progress!
628 2013-07-21 14:22:58 <gmaxwell> "I have completed the invention! ⦠well actually it's not the invention, but the outline of the invention⦠Oh, it crashed"
629 2013-07-21 14:23:09 <sipa> gmaxwell: remarkably, i've now removed more code than i added
630 2013-07-21 14:23:18 <sipa> (all stuff for orphan blocks is a lot)
631 2013-07-21 14:23:20 <gmaxwell> sipa: this is usually a sign that you're doing the right thing.
632 2013-07-21 14:24:44 * sipa goes on a rampage and removes the GUI
633 2013-07-21 14:24:50 askmike has joined
634 2013-07-21 14:24:57 <gmaxwell> but wait! we need that!
635 2013-07-21 14:25:02 <sipa> do you?
636 2013-07-21 14:25:36 <gmaxwell> Me personally? no. I never use it. But!
637 2013-07-21 14:25:38 Subo1978_ has joined
638 2013-07-21 14:25:48 <sipa> ok, gone
639 2013-07-21 14:25:48 <sipa> sorry
640 2013-07-21 14:25:59 MC1984 has joined
641 2013-07-21 14:26:01 <sipa> removed from git history too
642 2013-07-21 14:26:07 <swulf--> sipa: GUI for what?
643 2013-07-21 14:26:44 <sipa> this -Qt thing
644 2013-07-21 14:26:47 <sipa> nobody needs it
645 2013-07-21 14:26:51 <CodeShark> lol
646 2013-07-21 14:27:01 * swulf-- shrugs.
647 2013-07-21 14:27:02 peetaur2 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
648 2013-07-21 14:27:05 <swulf--> I certainly don't
649 2013-07-21 14:27:36 <Luke-Jr> I do!
650 2013-07-21 14:27:50 <Luke-Jr> if you remove it, I'll have to revive Spesmilo
651 2013-07-21 14:28:18 <gmaxwell> wait. so if we remove the GUI you'll make something better?
652 2013-07-21 14:28:30 <gmaxwell> I'm failing to see the problem anymore!
653 2013-07-21 14:29:01 Subo1978 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
654 2013-07-21 14:29:21 <Luke-Jr> I didn't say better <.<
655 2013-07-21 14:29:50 <CodeShark> what about moving the GUI over to a separate process? :)
656 2013-07-21 14:31:04 c0rw1n has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
657 2013-07-21 14:31:37 <gmaxwell> CodeShark: I think the general consensus has been that it should be seperate for a long time.. and it's been grrradddullllyyy moving in that direction.
658 2013-07-21 14:32:02 <sipa> with headers-first sync, SPV mode comes a lot closer
659 2013-07-21 14:32:06 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: you missed an 'a'
660 2013-07-21 14:32:08 <sipa> once SPV is there
661 2013-07-21 14:32:18 <sipa> you can split off full validation to another process easily
662 2013-07-21 14:32:43 <gmaxwell> Really the wallet should become a SPV client, with some special stuff for a richer connection to a trusted backing node when it has one.
663 2013-07-21 14:32:45 <CodeShark> the only question is whether it makes more sense to have the GUI do SPV or to define a trusted protocol that wallet clients can use to connect to the validation engine
664 2013-07-21 14:33:05 * Luke-Jr doesn't think the wallet should be in the GUI either <.<
665 2013-07-21 14:33:23 <sipa> validation node <-> wallet <-> GUI/RPC
666 2013-07-21 14:33:27 <Luke-Jr> ^
667 2013-07-21 14:33:31 <sipa> the wallet can be a separate server or not
668 2013-07-21 14:33:53 <gmaxwell> CodeShark: It should probably be SPV, but that doesn't preclude it also speaking the RPC when running against a trusted node.
669 2013-07-21 14:34:00 <Luke-Jr> as long as the wallet<->UI protocol is a single stream, it can easily be the same over stdio or socket
670 2013-07-21 14:35:00 <CodeShark> there are at least two completely different types of wallet use models: single enduser and enterprise
671 2013-07-21 14:35:21 <CodeShark> enterprise wallets need to support high concurrency and good access controls
672 2013-07-21 14:35:21 <gmaxwell> CodeShark: In particular, it's kinda lame to ever have your wallet process exposed directly to potential hostile nodes.
673 2013-07-21 14:36:18 <fanquake> Autonomous agents?
674 2013-07-21 14:36:23 <gmaxwell> So a SPV wallet connecting back only a trusted bitcoind is still a good model to have. .. but if you're doing that you'll want to be able to get things like notification that the bitcoind has no connections.
675 2013-07-21 14:36:58 <Luke-Jr> no OTHER connections <.<
676 2013-07-21 14:37:02 <CodeShark> sure, the protocol would have to be some sort of subscription model
677 2013-07-21 14:38:27 <CodeShark> the client should be able to subscribe to different classes of messages, including messages indicating a change of server state, messages indicating new bitcoin events, etc...
678 2013-07-21 14:38:29 <gmaxwell> CodeShark: I think that polling is adequate for that kind of thing. Blocks and txn get pushed to spv nodes in any case.
679 2013-07-21 14:38:42 <CodeShark> why poll when you can have full duplex communication?
680 2013-07-21 14:38:46 <gmaxwell> (not saying that polling is ideal or anything, but its probably adequate)
681 2013-07-21 14:39:27 <CodeShark> in fact, perhaps it even makes sense to stick some message broker in between
682 2013-07-21 14:39:43 <petertodd> sipa: headers-first-sync, talk to me about my scheme for having nodes do succinct non-interactive proofs of the total work of the block headers they posess
683 2013-07-21 14:40:03 <sipa> petertodd: elaborate
684 2013-07-21 14:40:10 <sipa> \o/
685 2013-07-21 14:40:15 * sipa haz a headers-synced node
686 2013-07-21 14:40:27 <sipa> it took a minute or so
687 2013-07-21 14:41:04 <petertodd> sipa: Build a merkle sum tree (or better yet, merkle sum mountain range) of every block header you have, then use the resulting hash at the end to pick n random block headers, and provide merkle paths to your tip.
688 2013-07-21 14:41:38 <petertodd> sipa: n can be set such that it'd take 2^64 work to falsify p% of the headers with 50% probability
689 2013-07-21 14:41:57 <petertodd> sipa: with an interactive proof, you don't even need a big n
690 2013-07-21 14:41:59 <gmaxwell> CodeShark: mostly a instinctive response on my part.. because complicated protocols are complicated. And subscription messagebusses have a long history of very low third party adoption.
691 2013-07-21 14:42:33 <gmaxwell> CodeShark: certantly don't let my cynical reservations get in the way of actually doing something. :)
692 2013-07-21 14:42:41 <sipa> petertodd: basically tree-ifying the otherwise linear block chain?
693 2013-07-21 14:42:57 <gmaxwell> petertodd: whats N need to be for that?
694 2013-07-21 14:43:09 <sipa> anyway, the easy part is done
695 2013-07-21 14:43:15 <sipa> now getting the actual blocks :D
696 2013-07-21 14:43:18 <CodeShark> message brokers might be overkill for single enduser apps - but might be great in an enterprise setting where you want high redundancy and logical isolation
697 2013-07-21 14:43:22 <gmaxwell> sipa: the treeifying there just make the proofs that the headers are part of the committed tree compact.
698 2013-07-21 14:43:31 <sipa> yeah
699 2013-07-21 14:43:34 saintcajetan has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
700 2013-07-21 14:43:47 MobPhone has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
701 2013-07-21 14:44:03 <gmaxwell> petertodd: how many do you need in the non-interactive case?
702 2013-07-21 14:44:11 <gmaxwell> ;;bc,blocks
703 2013-07-21 14:44:12 <gribble> 247753
704 2013-07-21 14:44:35 MobPhone has joined
705 2013-07-21 14:44:51 <petertodd> sipa: for instance if p=0.5, then (1-p)^n=2^(-64) if p=0.5 then you need n=64
706 2013-07-21 14:45:05 askmike has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
707 2013-07-21 14:45:09 <sipa> 49 seconds to sync headers
708 2013-07-21 14:45:16 <sipa> and the largest factor is definitely latency
709 2013-07-21 14:45:39 <sipa> (as it can't be pipelined; you need the last headers before you can send a new getheaders)
710 2013-07-21 14:45:51 <sipa> a protocol extension could improve that, but meh
711 2013-07-21 14:46:20 <petertodd> sipa: and with n=64 you can get away with 1% fraud half the time (though remember that's only the interactive case given calculating it is cheap)
712 2013-07-21 14:47:04 <gmaxwell> petertodd: I would think that you'd want to constrain the selection, but not the comitted tree to multiples of 2016.
713 2013-07-21 14:47:39 <petertodd> gmaxwell: Why? To prove diff changes?
714 2013-07-21 14:48:11 <petertodd> gmaxwell: Thing is total work is what you want to prove, constrain it and the attacker is proving less work.
715 2013-07-21 14:48:19 <sipa> my blocks index is now 33 MB
716 2013-07-21 14:49:35 MobPhone has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
717 2013-07-21 14:49:52 <petertodd> gmaxwell: Note that block selection has to be biased, you don't just pick a random n, rather you pick a set of left-right directions, and then the probability at each step is based on the sum work claimed.
718 2013-07-21 14:50:25 <petertodd> gmaxwell: Essentially doing that evens out the blocks as though they were all the same work.
719 2013-07-21 14:51:34 <petertodd> gmaxwell: Incidentally, afaik this is a advance over what adam back said was the state of the art for providing succinct proofs that work was done with multiple PoW attempts, so I may be missing something...
720 2013-07-21 14:51:44 <gmaxwell> petertodd: sure, you have to do the same thing for value proofs. You have the sum diff left and sum diff right, and you pick a random number % total diff,
721 2013-07-21 14:51:47 MobPhone has joined
722 2013-07-21 14:52:13 <r0sc0e> No suitable long-poll found <- what does that mean? try to solomine with bfgminer
723 2013-07-21 14:52:23 <r0sc0e> is there a misconfiguration in my bitcoin.conf file?
724 2013-07-21 14:52:38 <petertodd> gmaxwell: Yup, and what's really crazy, is you can apply this stuff to a crypto-coin itself, thus making a system where mining is done by the miner providing proof that some subset of transactions were honest. This also institutionalizes fraud, so you can use it as the coin creation mechanism...
725 2013-07-21 14:53:31 <petertodd> gmaxwell: Unfortunately the numbers for a resonable block rate are ugly, like 500,000 proofs needed for a 5% inflation rate if you want 10min block times, and that 5% rate is based on 5% of the total txout value created, not the total amount of coins out there.
726 2013-07-21 14:53:55 <petertodd> gmaxwell: I'm sure if I read more SCIP papers I can improve on that though - I mean, it's what SCIP is all about...
727 2013-07-21 14:54:33 <petertodd> gmaxwell: Solve it though, and you've got a coin that can be mined in a very decentralized manner, and the shared consensus state doesn't scale with transaction volume, only inflation!
728 2013-07-21 14:56:12 <petertodd> gmaxwell: It's also a lot more private... You do need a spent coins list still, but spent coins lists can be sharded by H(txout:n) so no one person needs the full list. (optionally expire old txouts so the list can be eventually pruned)
729 2013-07-21 14:57:32 MobPhone has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
730 2013-07-21 14:57:32 <petertodd> sipa: Incidentally, credit goes to gmaxwell for suggesting the idea of doing a (n)i proof for block headers, only the implementation is my idea and that's pretty obvious.
731 2013-07-21 14:58:33 MobPhone has joined
732 2013-07-21 14:59:33 MobPhone has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
733 2013-07-21 14:59:59 MobPhone has joined
734 2013-07-21 15:01:51 <r0sc0e> is there a way to add some line in bitcoin.conf to get long-pool workin?
735 2013-07-21 15:02:05 Skav has joined
736 2013-07-21 15:02:49 <petertodd> gmaxwell: Conceptually understanding the proofs is actually really easy: I select 1/n txout spends, and include them in the block I distribute to everyone. Thus if I want to have a 50:50 chance of getting away with making a fraudulent block, I need to make no more than about 1/n transactions fraudulent. Now if creating a block takes 10 minutes of work, well, there's a balance between how many fake tx's I create that give coins to me, how likely my minin
737 2013-07-21 15:03:09 <petertodd> s/takes average 10 minutes of work/
738 2013-07-21 15:03:19 saintcajetan has joined
739 2013-07-21 15:03:37 <petertodd> (remember these are coins I'm creating out of thin air, I spend them only by profing that there is a merkle path from the txout to a previous block header)
740 2013-07-21 15:03:42 <petertodd> *proving
741 2013-07-21 15:04:24 MobPhone has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
742 2013-07-21 15:04:25 bmcgee has joined
743 2013-07-21 15:05:21 macboz_ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
744 2013-07-21 15:06:22 <petertodd> One approach could be to fix the total amount of fees you can collect in a block, and then provide a way to punish anyone you tries to put an invalid transaction in a block, and then make wallets get some long history of every txout they get to ensure that someone else isn't going to screw them over by showing *they* committed fraud... but that seems a bit weak.
745 2013-07-21 15:06:22 Skav has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
746 2013-07-21 15:06:33 MobPhone has joined
747 2013-07-21 15:08:31 Skav has joined
748 2013-07-21 15:11:09 MobPhone has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
749 2013-07-21 15:12:00 <r0sc0e> any ideas about my problem?
750 2013-07-21 15:13:05 <sipa> r0sc0e: bitcoind doesn't support long polling
751 2013-07-21 15:13:32 MobPhone has joined
752 2013-07-21 15:13:34 ustreamer-149847 has joined
753 2013-07-21 15:13:37 <r0sc0e> so what can i do to do long polling?
754 2013-07-21 15:13:47 <sipa> use a pool server
755 2013-07-21 15:13:54 <petertodd> r0sc0e: p2pool does long-polling
756 2013-07-21 15:13:58 <sipa> but perhaps better ask in #bitcoin-mining
757 2013-07-21 15:14:01 <r0sc0e> i try to solomine with bitcoin-qt and bfgminer
758 2013-07-21 15:14:08 <Luke-Jr> sipa: until someone merges my LP patch ;)
759 2013-07-21 15:14:14 agnostic98 has joined
760 2013-07-21 15:14:31 <Luke-Jr> r0sc0e: be sure you look at solo instructions in README btw
761 2013-07-21 15:14:34 <sipa> r0sc0e: what hashrate do you have?
762 2013-07-21 15:14:37 <Luke-Jr> bfg's README I mean
763 2013-07-21 15:14:43 <r0sc0e> i did Luke-Jr
764 2013-07-21 15:14:45 <Luke-Jr> k
765 2013-07-21 15:15:52 <r0sc0e> sipa: about 100 ghash
766 2013-07-21 15:16:04 <sipa> decent :)
767 2013-07-21 15:16:35 agnostic98 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
768 2013-07-21 15:16:43 Skav has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
769 2013-07-21 15:17:27 Skav has joined
770 2013-07-21 15:18:44 <r0sc0e> sipa: yap thats "okay"
771 2013-07-21 15:19:25 robocoin has joined
772 2013-07-21 15:20:00 <petertodd> gmaxwell: Oh, here this will work: with a fixed inflation rate coin you can have every txout in a block come with it's own proof-of-work, and sum up total work. The ni proof them picks random examples to show how sum work for the whole block. Now wallet software only has to go back far enough in history to show that the sum work done for their txout was > the txout's value to know if the txout is probably valid. What's nice is it ensures that making a t
773 2013-07-21 15:20:09 MobPhone has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
774 2013-07-21 15:20:31 <gmaxwell> it ensures that making a t
775 2013-07-21 15:20:46 <gmaxwell> petertodd: I note: high words to code ratio today. :P
776 2013-07-21 15:21:07 <petertodd> > transaction is paid for each and every time by the inflation it causes, which in turn forces mining activity. Probably needs demurrange though so that 64-bit ints work... can simply shift coin values to the right periodically though, which then prunes the spent coin list.
777 2013-07-21 15:21:13 MobPhone has joined
778 2013-07-21 15:21:35 <petertodd> gmaxwell: The only difference from a normal day for me is the ratio has to be expressed in a double rather than a single-width float.
779 2013-07-21 15:24:11 Skav has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
780 2013-07-21 15:24:30 Skav has joined
781 2013-07-21 15:26:03 MobPhone has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
782 2013-07-21 15:27:01 MobPhone has joined
783 2013-07-21 15:27:58 porquilho has joined
784 2013-07-21 15:28:35 <petertodd> gmaxwell: The best part, is all of the above can be shoved into Bitcoin with a soft-fork. Later on we can do a hard-fork to remove the requirement to have a linear block at all, and the hard-fork would then be where we change the economics... unlikely to happen, but it's interesting how it can be done.
785 2013-07-21 15:28:49 Skav has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
786 2013-07-21 15:30:10 <petertodd> gmaxwell: Would get us a properly decentralized crypto-coin because absolutely nothing I've said can't be done by decentralized and distributed low-bandwidth nodes co-operating in pools. (obvs fidelity bonds to ensure nodes don't hold up ni proofs will be a must)
787 2013-07-21 15:32:06 <petertodd> (FWIW a nice trick here is to have your wallet only produce txouts for a particular part of the spent list, which means you can still maintain that part, and provide those you give coins to the proof that the txout being spent wasn't already spent!)
788 2013-07-21 15:33:11 <petertodd> (spent list would be arranged as a patricia tree of course, and it too needs ni proof sampling)
789 2013-07-21 15:35:10 RoboHege has joined
790 2013-07-21 15:35:24 RoboHege has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
791 2013-07-21 15:35:35 <petertodd> Oh, and that means that as you go up the tree, you can figure out what proofs got sampled at every step... so actually the "miner at the pool goes away" problem isn't a problem - just give the next level up the proof if the ni said you needed one. You do need to make blocks random still, so a second PoW over the tip is probably right, or just constrain H(tip) < target2
792 2013-07-21 15:39:23 saintcajetan has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
793 2013-07-21 15:40:38 RoboHege has joined
794 2013-07-21 15:42:18 <gmaxwell> petertodd: so, if you go and do the math on faking an NI proof that way, it's not so super wonderful for making the proofs compact for a given security bound.
795 2013-07-21 15:42:41 AusBitBank__ has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
796 2013-07-21 15:43:38 <petertodd> gmaxwell: I know, that's why I'm saying you have to sidestep the problem by either institutionalizing fraud as coin creation, or creating a system where you are expected to have the history of any given txout going far enough back that work > txout value.
797 2013-07-21 15:44:38 <petertodd> gmaxwell: Note how the second essentially means that every time you spend a txout, a certain % of it's value vanishes unless you were the one to do the work to mine it.
798 2013-07-21 15:44:51 <gmaxwell> petertodd: okay thats actually pretty slickâ the institutionalizing fraud as coin creationâ but one problem with it is simultaniously keeping the fraud rate controllable while also not making large spends very expensive.
799 2013-07-21 15:45:04 MobPhone has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
800 2013-07-21 15:45:05 <gmaxwell> ^ see the latter part
801 2013-07-21 15:45:16 ahmed_bodi has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
802 2013-07-21 15:45:19 agnostic98 has joined
803 2013-07-21 15:45:36 <petertodd> gmaxwell: Indeed, but look at it this way: large spends *should* be very expensive, because they require a lot of security. It actually fixes the bad economics of the Bitcoin system re: the sustainability of mining.
804 2013-07-21 15:46:15 <petertodd> gmaxwell: Yeah, it's back to a % fee on txout value, but I don't think that's all that bad.
805 2013-07-21 15:47:18 <gmaxwell> I guess that gives an ultimate answer to my answer to the suggestion that people with high value txn would pay "performance bonds"... my answer to that is, derp why wouldn't they just mine themselves at least then they'd get to pick a chain that wasn't against their interest.
806 2013-07-21 15:47:58 agnostic98 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
807 2013-07-21 15:48:10 alexwaters has joined
808 2013-07-21 15:48:25 c0rw1n has joined
809 2013-07-21 15:48:28 <petertodd> Indeed, there may also be a way to sanely burn coins and turn that into pseudo-mining-effort too - like what I was saying about consensus level replace-by-fee scorched earth in my Zerocoin proposal.
810 2013-07-21 15:48:33 MobPhone has joined
811 2013-07-21 15:51:36 <petertodd> Of course, often people would just broadcast a tx lacking the PoW, and then miners would have to do the work themselves, with the rules determining the target for the work, and how they can collect that work into a txout.
812 2013-07-21 15:52:44 alexwaters has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
813 2013-07-21 15:57:42 peetaur2 has joined
814 2013-07-21 15:58:20 <petertodd> Oh, and this is cool: see how to do fraud properly we need to set the inflation rate in terms of % per txout created? See at the top level we can't prove anything about the sum of all txouts created with acceptably low levels of fraud, only locally can we do that.
815 2013-07-21 15:59:11 <petertodd> But this is actually good: we want inflation to have something to do with how much money is moving, which is more closely the money supply, (and security needs still) than we want it to be an absolute thing.
816 2013-07-21 15:59:12 <CheckDavid> Anyone wants to earn free Bitcoins just for chatting with me? Send me a PM =)
817 2013-07-21 15:59:32 <Luke-Jr> CheckDavid: spam is off-topic here
818 2013-07-21 15:59:37 <petertodd> If no-one spends money, coin creation actually stops... (aside from a bootstrapping process or somesuch)
819 2013-07-21 15:59:48 <CheckDavid> sorry
820 2013-07-21 16:02:01 <petertodd> Hmm... I guess we'll probably have coin-creation done in as a special transaction, so we can get shared consensus and keep that type of inflation low.
821 2013-07-21 16:03:12 <petertodd> (I think you need some way to create coins out of thin air to satisfy miners and get interest in the 'coin bootstrapped)
822 2013-07-21 16:03:46 <petertodd> (a coin/block forever should be fine)
823 2013-07-21 16:04:22 normanrichards has joined
824 2013-07-21 16:05:11 Internet13 has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
825 2013-07-21 16:06:18 normanrichards has quit (Client Quit)
826 2013-07-21 16:06:57 <Luke-Jr> strUsage += "\n"; _("SSL options: (see the Bitcoin Wiki for SSL setup instructions)") + "\n";
827 2013-07-21 16:07:06 <Luke-Jr> am I missing something? how does the string get used? :/
828 2013-07-21 16:07:25 <petertodd> lol, that's gotta be a bug
829 2013-07-21 16:13:58 agnostic98 has joined
830 2013-07-21 16:14:46 Internet13 has joined
831 2013-07-21 16:15:17 <sipa> ;;blocks
832 2013-07-21 16:15:18 <gribble> 247767
833 2013-07-21 16:21:25 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: wtf why doesn't the compiler warn about a statement with no effect? I guess it thinks the translation macro has side effects? :P
834 2013-07-21 16:21:35 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: I guess :x
835 2013-07-21 16:21:36 <swulf--> some compilers will
836 2013-07-21 16:22:02 <gmaxwell> someone should go annotate that transaction function with the pure annotation. :P
837 2013-07-21 16:22:22 <swulf--> "(void)var;" is generally an acceptible method of silencing the "unused parameter" warning, though
838 2013-07-21 16:22:40 <gmaxwell> IIRC GCC will warn about ;pure_function();.
839 2013-07-21 16:22:52 <swulf--> -Wall maybe?
840 2013-07-21 16:23:50 <gmaxwell> swulf--: the translation macro likely calls a function which is probably not annotated as pure. (and perhaps it can't be, e.g. if it has to allocate a string...)
841 2013-07-21 16:23:55 <sipa> it needs some extension the function is pure
842 2013-07-21 16:24:03 <sipa> __attribute__((pure)) or so
843 2013-07-21 16:24:29 <swulf--> is _() being used in a pure context a serious problem?
844 2013-07-21 16:24:42 <sipa> no
845 2013-07-21 16:24:45 <gmaxwell> swulf--: apparently we had the mistake twice! :P
846 2013-07-21 16:24:45 <sipa> it's just pointless
847 2013-07-21 16:25:11 <swulf--> __attribute__((pure)) could add to difficulties porting?
848 2013-07-21 16:25:11 <gmaxwell> swulf--: lots of useful warnings happen for things which themselves are harmless but indicate that you very likely made a mistake.
849 2013-07-21 16:25:17 <gmaxwell> swulf--: nah.
850 2013-07-21 16:25:34 <swulf--> gmaxwell: sure, absolutely agree
851 2013-07-21 16:25:36 <gmaxwell> swulf--: you make it a FOO_PURE macro, and use it only when available, e.g. wrapped in a GCC test.
852 2013-07-21 16:25:44 * swulf-- nods
853 2013-07-21 16:26:18 ForceMajeure has joined
854 2013-07-21 16:35:07 <gfawkes> *yawn* internet trollz are so predictable and only mildly amusing in their antics on a user submitted content form
855 2013-07-21 16:35:23 <sipa> "In other news, ..."
856 2013-07-21 16:37:33 <gfawkes> unfortunately as a dev, it means having to waste my time adding stupid content checks to deter the morons
857 2013-07-21 16:38:14 hsmiths has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
858 2013-07-21 16:44:10 hsmiths has joined
859 2013-07-21 16:48:41 alexwaters has joined
860 2013-07-21 16:48:41 alexwaters has quit (Changing host)
861 2013-07-21 16:48:41 alexwaters has joined
862 2013-07-21 16:50:13 paracyst has joined
863 2013-07-21 16:50:54 bitanarchy has joined
864 2013-07-21 16:52:51 metabyte_ has joined
865 2013-07-21 16:53:00 alexwaters has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
866 2013-07-21 16:55:37 metabyte has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
867 2013-07-21 17:00:15 digitalmagus2 has joined
868 2013-07-21 17:01:46 <bmcgee> Hey I'm running bitcoin-qt on a mac. Is it possible to start it with --blocknotify just like with bitcoind?
869 2013-07-21 17:04:05 <Luke-Jr> pretty sure yes
870 2013-07-21 17:04:09 <Luke-Jr> but it's just one dash
871 2013-07-21 17:04:11 <Luke-Jr> -blocknotify='command'
872 2013-07-21 17:04:33 <Luke-Jr> (no, I don't know why we break standard for commandline parsing)
873 2013-07-21 17:05:37 zer0def has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
874 2013-07-21 17:06:10 jedunnigan has joined
875 2013-07-21 17:07:23 <bmcgee> i don't see how i can pass it a command line param, can't be invoked from the command line. I don't a config option for specifying it either in bitcoin.conf
876 2013-07-21 17:07:30 <bmcgee> *don't see a config
877 2013-07-21 17:07:48 <swulf--> Luke-Jr: because Satoshi?
878 2013-07-21 17:08:09 <Luke-Jr> bmcgee: bitcoin.conf is the command line.
879 2013-07-21 17:08:10 jeewee has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
880 2013-07-21 17:08:49 <bmcgee> Luke-Jr: so stick it in bitcoin.conf then?
881 2013-07-21 17:09:06 <bmcgee> it just concatenates the conf file into a set of command line params?
882 2013-07-21 17:10:04 <Luke-Jr> more or less
883 2013-07-21 17:10:12 agnostic98 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
884 2013-07-21 17:10:31 <Luke-Jr> obviously no - in the config
885 2013-07-21 17:11:35 <bmcgee> yup
886 2013-07-21 17:11:56 <Luke-Jr> I think you don't need quotation either
887 2013-07-21 17:11:58 EmLeX_ has joined
888 2013-07-21 17:11:59 EmLeX has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
889 2013-07-21 17:12:31 <sipa> ;;diff
890 2013-07-21 17:12:32 <gribble> 2.61628756825699E7
891 2013-07-21 17:13:05 digitalmagus2 has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
892 2013-07-21 17:13:11 zer0def has joined
893 2013-07-21 17:15:42 EmLeX_ has quit (Client Quit)
894 2013-07-21 17:15:52 Eiii has joined
895 2013-07-21 17:16:57 iwilcox_ has joined
896 2013-07-21 17:16:57 <fanquake> bmcgee you need to pass --args first then -blocknotify
897 2013-07-21 17:17:09 <sipa> ?
898 2013-07-21 17:17:32 iwilcox has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
899 2013-07-21 17:17:50 <bmcgee> I second that ?
900 2013-07-21 17:18:18 <fanquake> bmcgee I assume your using
901 2013-07-21 17:18:26 <fanquake> open Bitcoin-Qt.app
902 2013-07-21 17:18:39 <fanquake> if you want to pass command line arguments you need todo
903 2013-07-21 17:18:44 <sipa> oh, osx stuffz
904 2013-07-21 17:18:48 <fanquake> open Bitcoin-Qt.app --args -command
905 2013-07-21 17:18:51 <bmcgee> i was told i could add it bitcoin.conf instead
906 2013-07-21 17:19:00 <bmcgee> sans the -
907 2013-07-21 17:19:03 <sipa> yes, that's easier
908 2013-07-21 17:19:12 <fanquake> yes bitcoin.conf is fine
909 2013-07-21 17:19:21 <bmcgee> cool
910 2013-07-21 17:19:24 <bmcgee> just trying that now
911 2013-07-21 17:19:40 Edward_Black has joined
912 2013-07-21 17:22:01 iwilcox_ is now known as iwilcox
913 2013-07-21 17:23:05 slush has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
914 2013-07-21 17:23:20 PrimeStunna has joined
915 2013-07-21 17:24:34 EmLeX has joined
916 2013-07-21 17:24:34 EmLeX has quit (Changing host)
917 2013-07-21 17:24:34 EmLeX has joined
918 2013-07-21 17:25:20 platoscave has quit (Quit: http://www.eradicategatesfoundation.com/)
919 2013-07-21 17:26:27 platoscave has joined
920 2013-07-21 17:26:32 platoscave has quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
921 2013-07-21 17:27:23 platoscave has joined
922 2013-07-21 17:27:28 platoscave has quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
923 2013-07-21 17:28:19 platoscave has joined
924 2013-07-21 17:28:24 platoscave has quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
925 2013-07-21 17:28:52 sserrano44 has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
926 2013-07-21 17:29:11 platoscave has joined
927 2013-07-21 17:29:16 platoscave has quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
928 2013-07-21 17:30:06 platoscave has joined
929 2013-07-21 17:30:14 platoscave has quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
930 2013-07-21 17:31:11 platoscave has joined
931 2013-07-21 17:31:16 platoscave has quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
932 2013-07-21 17:32:05 platoscave has joined
933 2013-07-21 17:32:09 platoscave has quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
934 2013-07-21 17:33:00 platoscave has joined
935 2013-07-21 17:33:06 platoscave has quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
936 2013-07-21 17:33:56 platoscave has joined
937 2013-07-21 17:35:42 normanrichards has joined
938 2013-07-21 17:36:58 gritball has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
939 2013-07-21 17:38:19 handle has joined
940 2013-07-21 17:39:10 handle_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
941 2013-07-21 17:40:10 RoboTeddy has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
942 2013-07-21 17:40:36 agnostic98 has joined
943 2013-07-21 17:43:58 agnostic98 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
944 2013-07-21 17:45:36 andyh2 has joined
945 2013-07-21 17:45:58 andyh2 has quit (Client Quit)
946 2013-07-21 17:48:04 metabyte_ is now known as metabyte
947 2013-07-21 17:49:11 alexwaters has joined
948 2013-07-21 17:49:11 alexwaters has quit (Changing host)
949 2013-07-21 17:49:11 alexwaters has joined
950 2013-07-21 17:51:27 idstam has joined
951 2013-07-21 17:53:47 alexwaters has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
952 2013-07-21 17:53:59 <bmcgee> after faffing around a bit and realising I had the wrong ip address I managed to get the block notify working. Thx Luke-Jr, sipa and fanquake
953 2013-07-21 17:56:46 Skav has joined
954 2013-07-21 17:57:22 ustreamer-149847 has quit ()
955 2013-07-21 17:59:34 MobPhone has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
956 2013-07-21 18:07:57 MobPhone has joined
957 2013-07-21 18:10:47 Skav has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
958 2013-07-21 18:11:10 paracyst has quit (Disconnected by services)
959 2013-07-21 18:11:49 paracyst has joined
960 2013-07-21 18:20:20 paracyst has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
961 2013-07-21 18:21:24 paracyst has joined
962 2013-07-21 18:23:18 Guest6374 has joined
963 2013-07-21 18:23:18 Guest6374 has quit (Client Quit)
964 2013-07-21 18:27:28 bmcgee has quit (Quit: bmcgee)
965 2013-07-21 18:34:40 copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
966 2013-07-21 18:35:18 copumpkin has joined
967 2013-07-21 18:37:26 discrete has joined
968 2013-07-21 18:38:50 discretefx has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
969 2013-07-21 18:39:53 h2odysee_ has joined
970 2013-07-21 18:40:43 digitalmagus has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
971 2013-07-21 18:40:57 digitalmagus has joined
972 2013-07-21 18:42:10 agnostic98 has joined
973 2013-07-21 18:42:22 platoscave has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
974 2013-07-21 18:42:34 Zoop_ has quit (Ping timeout: 269 seconds)
975 2013-07-21 18:43:46 h2odysee has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
976 2013-07-21 18:44:29 santoscork has joined
977 2013-07-21 18:44:43 agnostic98 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
978 2013-07-21 18:44:50 santoscork has quit (Client Quit)
979 2013-07-21 18:44:53 gwillen has joined
980 2013-07-21 18:46:05 platoscave has joined
981 2013-07-21 18:47:37 Aexoden has joined
982 2013-07-21 18:48:16 BlueMatt has joined
983 2013-07-21 18:48:24 Zoop_ has joined
984 2013-07-21 18:49:33 normanrichards has quit (Quit: normanrichards)
985 2013-07-21 18:49:41 alexwaters has joined
986 2013-07-21 18:49:57 santoscork has joined
987 2013-07-21 18:50:39 abrkn has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
988 2013-07-21 18:52:29 abrkn has joined
989 2013-07-21 18:52:41 platoscave has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
990 2013-07-21 18:53:40 kaptah has joined
991 2013-07-21 18:53:47 stretchwarren has joined
992 2013-07-21 18:53:47 theo_ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
993 2013-07-21 18:54:21 alexwaters has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
994 2013-07-21 18:54:35 jchp has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
995 2013-07-21 18:56:15 GordonG3kko has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
996 2013-07-21 18:57:37 GordonG3kko has joined
997 2013-07-21 18:59:49 cyrozap has joined
998 2013-07-21 19:02:37 platoscave has joined
999 2013-07-21 19:03:52 Jasmin68k has joined
1000 2013-07-21 19:04:28 theo` has joined
1001 2013-07-21 19:06:01 porquilho has left ()
1002 2013-07-21 19:07:55 ustreamer-484886 has joined
1003 2013-07-21 19:08:04 ustreamer-484886 has quit (Client Quit)
1004 2013-07-21 19:11:51 wrabbit_ has joined
1005 2013-07-21 19:11:56 Zoop95 has joined
1006 2013-07-21 19:11:56 wrabbit has quit (Disconnected by services)
1007 2013-07-21 19:12:04 ericmuys_ has joined
1008 2013-07-21 19:12:05 wrabbit_ is now known as wrabbit
1009 2013-07-21 19:13:11 pjorrit has joined
1010 2013-07-21 19:13:18 hsmiths2 has joined
1011 2013-07-21 19:13:33 DoctorBTC_ has joined
1012 2013-07-21 19:13:33 cyrozap has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzzâ¦)
1013 2013-07-21 19:14:23 Lolcust- has joined
1014 2013-07-21 19:15:04 Arnavion3 has joined
1015 2013-07-21 19:15:53 Phoebus_ has joined
1016 2013-07-21 19:16:04 bonks_ has joined
1017 2013-07-21 19:16:09 sivu_ has joined
1018 2013-07-21 19:17:10 sanders_ has joined
1019 2013-07-21 19:17:38 Hunger- has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1020 2013-07-21 19:18:02 Gnaf has quit (Write error: Broken pipe)
1021 2013-07-21 19:18:31 Someguy1234 has joined
1022 2013-07-21 19:19:05 porquilho has joined
1023 2013-07-21 19:19:33 Detritus has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1024 2013-07-21 19:19:51 ghostotron has joined
1025 2013-07-21 19:20:06 ghostotron is now known as Detritus
1026 2013-07-21 19:20:24 Arnavion3 is now known as Arnavion
1027 2013-07-21 19:20:25 Phoebus_ is now known as Phoebus
1028 2013-07-21 19:20:26 Phoebus has quit (Changing host)
1029 2013-07-21 19:21:07 Someguy1234 is now known as Someguy123
1030 2013-07-21 19:21:17 jeewee has joined
1031 2013-07-21 19:23:33 platoscave has joined
1032 2013-07-21 19:25:25 alexwaters has joined
1033 2013-07-21 19:25:26 Phoebus has joined
1034 2013-07-21 19:25:26 Internet13 has joined
1035 2013-07-21 19:25:26 melvster has joined
1036 2013-07-21 19:25:26 ubuntu__1 has joined
1037 2013-07-21 19:25:26 platoscave has joined
1038 2013-07-21 19:25:26 ahbritto__ has joined
1039 2013-07-21 19:27:23 EPiSKiNG- is now known as Guest89086
1040 2013-07-21 19:29:46 alexwaters has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
1041 2013-07-21 19:30:35 platoscave has quit (Ping timeout: 284 seconds)
1042 2013-07-21 19:32:05 skeledrew has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1043 2013-07-21 19:32:33 platoscave has joined
1044 2013-07-21 19:32:39 platoscave has quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
1045 2013-07-21 19:33:42 platoscave has joined
1046 2013-07-21 19:33:44 DoctorBTC_ has left ()
1047 2013-07-21 19:34:01 Hunger- has joined
1048 2013-07-21 19:34:52 DoctorBTC has joined
1049 2013-07-21 19:35:17 skeledrew has joined
1050 2013-07-21 19:38:38 gjj_ has joined
1051 2013-07-21 19:39:22 MoALTz_ has joined
1052 2013-07-21 19:40:55 ForceMajeure_ has joined
1053 2013-07-21 19:41:17 xeroc has joined
1054 2013-07-21 19:42:44 agnostic98 has joined
1055 2013-07-21 19:43:01 shesek has joined
1056 2013-07-21 19:43:06 altgribble` has joined
1057 2013-07-21 19:43:14 daktak_ has joined
1058 2013-07-21 19:43:42 devrando1 has joined
1059 2013-07-21 19:43:56 BurtyB has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
1060 2013-07-21 19:44:14 makomk has joined
1061 2013-07-21 19:44:29 testnode9_ has joined
1062 2013-07-21 19:45:18 melvster_ has joined
1063 2013-07-21 19:45:38 dvide has quit ()
1064 2013-07-21 19:46:13 AtashiCon has quit (Disconnected by services)
1065 2013-07-21 19:46:20 Arnavion3 has joined
1066 2013-07-21 19:46:22 agnostic98 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1067 2013-07-21 19:46:23 Arnavion3 is now known as AtashiCon
1068 2013-07-21 19:46:35 gwillen has quit (Quit: leaving)
1069 2013-07-21 19:46:38 neofutur has joined
1070 2013-07-21 19:46:59 comboy_ has joined
1071 2013-07-21 19:47:05 zariok_ has joined
1072 2013-07-21 19:47:10 gwillen has joined
1073 2013-07-21 19:47:10 gwillen has quit (Changing host)
1074 2013-07-21 19:47:10 gwillen has joined
1075 2013-07-21 19:47:16 bmcgee has joined
1076 2013-07-21 19:47:37 SomeoneWeird_ has joined
1077 2013-07-21 19:48:01 turboroot_ has joined
1078 2013-07-21 19:48:02 gjj has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1079 2013-07-21 19:48:57 <bmcgee> Got some basic mining questions, so brace yourselves for some 'stupid'
1080 2013-07-21 19:49:15 epscylonb has joined
1081 2013-07-21 19:49:24 brocktic1 has joined
1082 2013-07-21 19:49:31 ahbritto_ has joined
1083 2013-07-21 19:49:37 matjeh_ has joined
1084 2013-07-21 19:49:51 therealnanotube has joined
1085 2013-07-21 19:49:57 <bmcgee> Miner hits up pool server for a block template. It can specify a nonces field if it wants specifying the nonce range it needs. Similarly in the response a noncerange can be specified to tell a miner the range of nonces it can scan
1086 2013-07-21 19:50:13 yubrew_ has joined
1087 2013-07-21 19:50:15 ivan`_ has joined
1088 2013-07-21 19:50:23 <bmcgee> so a miner gets a response, creates a block and starts trying to find a hash which meets the difficulty requirements
1089 2013-07-21 19:50:33 BitCoron1r has joined
1090 2013-07-21 19:50:36 <bmcgee> it creates more possibilities by incrementing the nonce
1091 2013-07-21 19:50:38 skeledrew1 has joined
1092 2013-07-21 19:50:42 <bmcgee> all correct so far?
1093 2013-07-21 19:50:45 <sipa> yes
1094 2013-07-21 19:50:54 <bmcgee> cool
1095 2013-07-21 19:51:07 ccook_ has joined
1096 2013-07-21 19:51:16 crank_ has joined
1097 2013-07-21 19:51:17 kanzure_ has joined
1098 2013-07-21 19:51:31 <bmcgee> so if you have n miners it's best to ensure they're working with different nonce ranges to maximise the work done. Correct?
1099 2013-07-21 19:51:32 therealnanotube has quit (Excess Flood)
1100 2013-07-21 19:51:41 bd_ has joined
1101 2013-07-21 19:51:47 <sipa> you just give them different work
1102 2013-07-21 19:52:03 <sipa> i think few implementations actually bother limiting nonce ranges
1103 2013-07-21 19:52:06 Pucilowski_ has joined
1104 2013-07-21 19:52:07 jarpiain_ has joined
1105 2013-07-21 19:52:18 <bmcgee> can you clarify the work in that statement
1106 2013-07-21 19:52:29 <sipa> the block being mined
1107 2013-07-21 19:52:32 xeroc_ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1108 2013-07-21 19:52:38 <sipa> in particular, its coinbase transaction
1109 2013-07-21 19:53:01 testnode9 has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1110 2013-07-21 19:53:02 daktak has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1111 2013-07-21 19:53:02 MoALTz has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1112 2013-07-21 19:53:02 badbitcoin has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1113 2013-07-21 19:53:02 ivan` has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1114 2013-07-21 19:53:02 kenblazer_____ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1115 2013-07-21 19:53:02 turboroot has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1116 2013-07-21 19:53:02 tych0 has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1117 2013-07-21 19:53:02 kanzure has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1118 2013-07-21 19:53:02 devrandom has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1119 2013-07-21 19:53:02 Internet13 has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1120 2013-07-21 19:53:03 ForceMajeure has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1121 2013-07-21 19:53:03 gjs278 has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1122 2013-07-21 19:53:03 matjeh has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1123 2013-07-21 19:53:03 makomk_ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1124 2013-07-21 19:53:03 SomeoneWeird has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1125 2013-07-21 19:53:07 <bmcgee> ah so there is a mutable section in the coinbase that can be tweaked to allow each miner to have effectively a different block?
1126 2013-07-21 19:53:08 altgribble has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1127 2013-07-21 19:53:09 zariok has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1128 2013-07-21 19:53:09 RBecker has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1129 2013-07-21 19:53:09 nanotube has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1130 2013-07-21 19:53:09 blakange1 has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1131 2013-07-21 19:53:09 kenblazer_____ has joined
1132 2013-07-21 19:54:58 Guest83631 has joined
1133 2013-07-21 19:55:33 blakangel has joined
1134 2013-07-21 19:55:54 TheLordOfTime has quit (Excess Flood)
1135 2013-07-21 19:56:01 altgribble has joined
1136 2013-07-21 19:56:07 TheLordOfTime has joined
1137 2013-07-21 19:56:45 Lolcust- has quit (Excess Flood)
1138 2013-07-21 19:56:54 Lolcust has joined
1139 2013-07-21 19:57:14 iwilcox_ has joined
1140 2013-07-21 19:57:14 iwilcox_ has quit (Changing host)
1141 2013-07-21 19:57:14 iwilcox_ has joined
1142 2013-07-21 19:57:15 tych0 has joined
1143 2013-07-21 19:57:16 altgribble` has quit (Write error: Broken pipe)
1144 2013-07-21 19:57:24 iwilcox has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1145 2013-07-21 19:57:26 AtashiCon has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1146 2013-07-21 19:57:53 sturles_ has joined
1147 2013-07-21 19:58:06 andyh2 has joined
1148 2013-07-21 19:58:16 kanzure has joined
1149 2013-07-21 19:58:41 serp has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1150 2013-07-21 19:59:22 crank_ has quit (Excess Flood)
1151 2013-07-21 19:59:31 yrashk has joined
1152 2013-07-21 19:59:41 akrmn has joined
1153 2013-07-21 19:59:41 crank has joined
1154 2013-07-21 19:59:49 kanzure_ has quit (Write error: Broken pipe)
1155 2013-07-21 19:59:50 bitinsta1t has quit (Write error: Broken pipe)
1156 2013-07-21 19:59:50 Eliel_ has quit (Write error: Broken pipe)
1157 2013-07-21 19:59:50 sturles has quit (Write error: Broken pipe)
1158 2013-07-21 19:59:50 sivu_ has quit (Write error: Broken pipe)
1159 2013-07-21 19:59:50 makomk has quit (Write error: Broken pipe)
1160 2013-07-21 19:59:50 meLon has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1161 2013-07-21 19:59:50 WKNiGHT has quit (Excess Flood)
1162 2013-07-21 19:59:53 vigilyn2 has joined
1163 2013-07-21 19:59:54 Hunger- has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1164 2013-07-21 19:59:54 Jasmin68k has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1165 2013-07-21 20:00:02 Guest79759 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1166 2013-07-21 20:00:02 [\\\] has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1167 2013-07-21 20:00:11 zerogravity has joined
1168 2013-07-21 20:00:26 vigilyn2 has quit (Changing host)
1169 2013-07-21 20:00:26 vigilyn2 has joined
1170 2013-07-21 20:00:33 zerogravity is now known as Guest91722
1171 2013-07-21 20:00:45 badbitcoin has joined
1172 2013-07-21 20:00:48 vigilyn2 is now known as vigilyn
1173 2013-07-21 20:00:52 Guest979 has joined
1174 2013-07-21 20:01:24 platoscave has joined
1175 2013-07-21 20:01:54 Guest979 has quit (Changing host)
1176 2013-07-21 20:01:54 Guest979 has joined
1177 2013-07-21 20:01:59 iwilcox_ is now known as iwilcox
1178 2013-07-21 20:02:21 nanotube has joined
1179 2013-07-21 20:02:21 Guest979 has left ()
1180 2013-07-21 20:03:04 platoscave has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1181 2013-07-21 20:04:06 [\\\] has joined
1182 2013-07-21 20:04:39 serp has joined
1183 2013-07-21 20:04:54 CheckDavid has quit (Excess Flood)
1184 2013-07-21 20:05:02 Vinnie_win_y_i is now known as Vinnie_win
1185 2013-07-21 20:05:11 Hunger- has joined
1186 2013-07-21 20:05:56 Detritus has quit (Write error: Broken pipe)
1187 2013-07-21 20:06:19 AtashiCon has joined
1188 2013-07-21 20:06:25 CheckDavid has joined
1189 2013-07-21 20:06:37 santoscork has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
1190 2013-07-21 20:07:33 CheckDavid has quit (Client Quit)
1191 2013-07-21 20:08:06 yano has joined
1192 2013-07-21 20:08:17 sturles_ has quit (Changing host)
1193 2013-07-21 20:08:17 sturles_ has joined
1194 2013-07-21 20:08:21 sturles_ is now known as sturles
1195 2013-07-21 20:08:32 sivu has joined
1196 2013-07-21 20:08:33 makomk has joined
1197 2013-07-21 20:08:58 <davec> bmcgee: yeah the coinbase script is serialized block height (required as of block version 2) then some extra stuff like an extra nonce and some miners also put flags in there for supported features
1198 2013-07-21 20:09:15 pjorrit has joined
1199 2013-07-21 20:09:37 atweiden has joined
1200 2013-07-21 20:10:23 <bmcgee> davec: the scriptSig is a max of 100 bytes right? i thought version 2 is not widely supported at the moment?
1201 2013-07-21 20:10:35 BurtyB has joined
1202 2013-07-21 20:10:44 platoscave has joined
1203 2013-07-21 20:10:54 gjj has joined
1204 2013-07-21 20:10:59 <davec> everything is version 2 for a while (network rule in place where once 95% of the network had upgraded, version 1 are rejected)
1205 2013-07-21 20:11:09 <davec> yes, coinbase script between 2 and 100
1206 2013-07-21 20:11:41 EPiSKiNG- has joined
1207 2013-07-21 20:12:06 <bmcgee> BIP 0034 details the contents of scriptSig for version 2 compliance correct?
1208 2013-07-21 20:12:24 EPiSKiNG- is now known as Guest16371
1209 2013-07-21 20:12:40 <davec> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/main.cpp#L2314-L2322 is the relevant code
1210 2013-07-21 20:12:41 jaromil has joined
1211 2013-07-21 20:12:41 RBecker has joined
1212 2013-07-21 20:12:41 meLon has joined
1213 2013-07-21 20:12:41 serialbandicoot has joined
1214 2013-07-21 20:12:55 santoscork has joined
1215 2013-07-21 20:12:55 RBecker has quit (Changing host)
1216 2013-07-21 20:12:55 RBecker has joined
1217 2013-07-21 20:13:00 gjj has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1218 2013-07-21 20:13:14 <bmcgee> thx
1219 2013-07-21 20:13:19 <davec> correct on BIP0034
1220 2013-07-21 20:13:56 gjj_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
1221 2013-07-21 20:14:10 bitinstant has joined
1222 2013-07-21 20:14:18 MCM-Mike has joined
1223 2013-07-21 20:14:42 MCM-Mike is now known as Guest92666
1224 2013-07-21 20:14:59 ThomasV has joined
1225 2013-07-21 20:15:44 <bmcgee> ha ha if i ONLY want my software to work for the next 300 years I can hardcode the first byte of the serialised height to 0x03â¦â¦
1226 2013-07-21 20:15:57 lianj has joined
1227 2013-07-21 20:15:57 lianj has quit (Changing host)
1228 2013-07-21 20:15:57 lianj has joined
1229 2013-07-21 20:16:20 <davec> well there are going to be issues before that without code changes anyways
1230 2013-07-21 20:16:36 <davec> timestamps in several places use uint32 -- i.e 2106 max
1231 2013-07-21 20:16:48 <bmcgee> if my software is running 5 years from now i'll be impressed lol
1232 2013-07-21 20:17:32 <bmcgee> usually before then some other developer comes along, says it's all shit, let's rewrite and the circle of life continues...
1233 2013-07-21 20:18:20 <sipa> davec: not a problem
1234 2013-07-21 20:18:33 <sipa> even with 16 bits timestamps it would be doable
1235 2013-07-21 20:19:17 <sipa> just assume the higher bits increase when the lower ones decrease more than a few hours
1236 2013-07-21 20:19:58 <sipa> bmcgee: it's not about the software but the protocol
1237 2013-07-21 20:20:07 <davec> agreed, it's completely solvable, I was just saying code changes will be needed far before the 300 years when the number of bytes needed for the varint representing the serialized height in the coinbase script happens
1238 2013-07-21 20:20:23 <sipa> and everything that is part of bitcoin's consensus rules are extremely hard to change
1239 2013-07-21 20:20:30 <sipa> ha, true
1240 2013-07-21 20:20:37 <sipa> unlikely to be a problem :)
1241 2013-07-21 20:20:38 <bmcgee> sipa: very true. it's impressive the timeframe taking into account when designing bitcoin
1242 2013-07-21 20:20:45 <bmcgee> *taken into account
1243 2013-07-21 20:21:39 santoscork has quit (Quit: Quiet while I make like a cat)
1244 2013-07-21 20:22:04 <bmcgee> in the scriptSig is the height encoded as a VarInt then? I see the spec in the BIP but if it's the same as the general var int used throughout bitcoin i already have an implementation for that
1245 2013-07-21 20:22:05 Eliel has joined
1246 2013-07-21 20:22:20 <davec> correct
1247 2013-07-21 20:22:24 <bmcgee> sweet
1248 2013-07-21 20:22:32 <sipa> afaik it'$
1249 2013-07-21 20:22:44 <sipa> afaik it is encoded as byte-series push
1250 2013-07-21 20:22:49 <sipa> not as a varint
1251 2013-07-21 20:23:03 <sipa> a varint would be 5 bytes
1252 2013-07-21 20:24:27 <bmcgee> ah
1253 2013-07-21 20:24:40 <davec> ah right, number of bytes, little endian height
1254 2013-07-21 20:25:03 <sipa> ;;calc 2**24 / 210000 * 4
1255 2013-07-21 20:25:03 <gribble> 319.566019048
1256 2013-07-21 20:25:07 <bmcgee> yeah, that would have been too easy :). So hardcode number of bytes (0x03), little endian encoding
1257 2013-07-21 20:26:06 <davec> would start with a 0xfe if it were a varint iirc
1258 2013-07-21 20:26:13 <sipa> correct
1259 2013-07-21 20:26:36 <TheLordOfTime> don't... know... why... i was opped...
1260 2013-07-21 20:26:38 <TheLordOfTime> o.O
1261 2013-07-21 20:27:39 matjeh_ has left ()
1262 2013-07-21 20:28:38 <gmaxwell> wasn't me.
1263 2013-07-21 20:29:58 <gmaxwell> bmcgee: there are quite a few 2038 problems in the reference software as it... for example, boost's timers return instantly for times past 2038... which will actually cause issues long before 2038.
1264 2013-07-21 20:30:10 <gmaxwell> (because some of the timers are long ones)
1265 2013-07-21 20:31:06 <bmcgee> yeah its like sipa said, the protocol has a helluva lot of longevity, implementation has a ways to go and will always need maintenance
1266 2013-07-21 20:31:46 wathefak has quit (Quit: Leaving)
1267 2013-07-21 20:39:44 gavinandresen has joined
1268 2013-07-21 20:39:44 gavinandresen has quit (Changing host)
1269 2013-07-21 20:39:44 gavinandresen has joined
1270 2013-07-21 20:39:47 gavinandresen has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1271 2013-07-21 20:40:02 gavinandresen has joined
1272 2013-07-21 20:42:42 Arnavion has joined
1273 2013-07-21 20:43:12 agnostic98 has joined
1274 2013-07-21 20:43:35 Jasmin68k has joined
1275 2013-07-21 20:43:48 cads has joined
1276 2013-07-21 20:45:43 grau has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1277 2013-07-21 20:45:50 agnostic98 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1278 2013-07-21 20:45:53 grau has joined
1279 2013-07-21 20:46:29 cyrozap has joined
1280 2013-07-21 20:48:56 stretchwarren has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
1281 2013-07-21 20:49:43 gjj has joined
1282 2013-07-21 21:02:17 mappum has joined
1283 2013-07-21 21:02:26 jeewee has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
1284 2013-07-21 21:07:06 imton_ has joined
1285 2013-07-21 21:08:06 imton has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
1286 2013-07-21 21:08:06 imton_ is now known as imton
1287 2013-07-21 21:08:19 <TheLordOfTime> gmaxwell: honestly, I'm baffled as to why i was opped, i mean... unless i missed something while freenode was splitting...
1288 2013-07-21 21:10:05 <gmaxwell> TheLordOfTime: it may have been some split weirdness from when you were short term opped previously.
1289 2013-07-21 21:10:39 Internet13 has joined
1290 2013-07-21 21:13:42 ericmuys_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1291 2013-07-21 21:13:57 grau has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1292 2013-07-21 21:16:32 lianj has quit (Quit: leaving)
1293 2013-07-21 21:18:23 * TheLordOfTime shrugs
1294 2013-07-21 21:18:29 <TheLordOfTime> gmaxwell: possibly, but i dunno
1295 2013-07-21 21:19:29 Guest16371 has left ()
1296 2013-07-21 21:19:43 EPiSKiNG- has joined
1297 2013-07-21 21:19:43 AusBitBank__ has joined
1298 2013-07-21 21:20:14 lian has joined
1299 2013-07-21 21:20:20 lian has quit (Client Quit)
1300 2013-07-21 21:22:14 gritball has joined
1301 2013-07-21 21:22:16 lianj has joined
1302 2013-07-21 21:22:16 lianj has quit (Changing host)
1303 2013-07-21 21:22:16 lianj has joined
1304 2013-07-21 21:26:37 _W_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1305 2013-07-21 21:26:41 Detritus has joined
1306 2013-07-21 21:32:14 Guest92666 has quit (Quit: Reconnecting)
1307 2013-07-21 21:32:27 MCM-Mike has joined
1308 2013-07-21 21:32:50 MCM-Mike is now known as Guest87727
1309 2013-07-21 21:33:49 ericmuyser has joined
1310 2013-07-21 21:35:44 gst has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1311 2013-07-21 21:36:18 gst has joined
1312 2013-07-21 21:36:37 agnostic98 has joined
1313 2013-07-21 21:40:44 bitanarchy has quit (Quit: Leaving)
1314 2013-07-21 21:43:04 oru has joined
1315 2013-07-21 21:43:44 realzies has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
1316 2013-07-21 21:45:59 bmcgee has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1317 2013-07-21 21:46:04 Guest87727 has quit (Quit: Reconnecting)
1318 2013-07-21 21:46:17 MCM-Mike has joined
1319 2013-07-21 21:46:41 MCM-Mike is now known as Guest14713
1320 2013-07-21 21:47:47 platoscave has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1321 2013-07-21 21:49:49 Guest14713 has left ()
1322 2013-07-21 21:50:07 kenblazer_____ has joined
1323 2013-07-21 21:50:47 bmcgee has joined
1324 2013-07-21 21:50:51 andyh2 has quit (Quit: Leaving...)
1325 2013-07-21 21:53:26 platoscave has joined
1326 2013-07-21 21:54:26 slush has joined
1327 2013-07-21 21:55:24 peetaur2 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
1328 2013-07-21 21:55:31 Applicat_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1329 2013-07-21 21:56:54 andyh2 has joined
1330 2013-07-21 21:58:01 MCM-Mike has joined
1331 2013-07-21 22:02:03 gjs278 has joined
1332 2013-07-21 22:06:44 realazthat has joined
1333 2013-07-21 22:06:54 realazthat has quit (Changing host)
1334 2013-07-21 22:06:54 realazthat has joined
1335 2013-07-21 22:06:55 Jasmin68k has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
1336 2013-07-21 22:08:06 ThomasV has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1337 2013-07-21 22:11:20 bitanarchy has joined
1338 2013-07-21 22:11:25 Gnaf has joined
1339 2013-07-21 22:16:11 porquilho has quit ()
1340 2013-07-21 22:18:39 Arbition has joined
1341 2013-07-21 22:18:39 andyh2 has quit (Quit: Leaving...)
1342 2013-07-21 22:20:12 andyh2 has joined
1343 2013-07-21 22:20:57 <serp> hey fellers.. how it goes today?
1344 2013-07-21 22:21:16 <serp> well wrong channel but hi anyways
1345 2013-07-21 22:22:13 _W_ has joined
1346 2013-07-21 22:23:10 <bitanarchy> wy does bitcoin not require privoxy to run over tor?
1347 2013-07-21 22:24:18 bitanarchy has quit (Quit: Leaving)
1348 2013-07-21 22:24:29 bitanarchy has joined
1349 2013-07-21 22:24:54 <sipa> why would it?
1350 2013-07-21 22:25:01 imton has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1351 2013-07-21 22:25:57 <bitanarchy> sipa: well you need a proxy to run tor right...
1352 2013-07-21 22:26:34 <sipa> tor is a SOCKS5 proxy
1353 2013-07-21 22:26:38 <mhanne> bitanarchy: tor has direct socks support. privoxy is just needed to clean private info from your http requests
1354 2013-07-21 22:26:39 <sipa> that's all we need
1355 2013-07-21 22:26:58 andyh2 has quit (Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com)
1356 2013-07-21 22:28:03 <bitanarchy> socks5 proxy is not a web proxy... so socks5 is on 9050 and privoxy is a web proxy which should be on on 9150/9151
1357 2013-07-21 22:28:40 imton has joined
1358 2013-07-21 22:28:41 PrimeStunna has quit (Quit: PrimeStunna)
1359 2013-07-21 22:29:51 bitanarchy has quit (Quit: Leaving)
1360 2013-07-21 22:30:18 bitanarchy has joined
1361 2013-07-21 22:31:05 BurtyB has quit (Read error: No route to host)
1362 2013-07-21 22:31:41 BurtyB has joined
1363 2013-07-21 22:32:20 santoscork has joined
1364 2013-07-21 22:32:26 cyrozap has quit (Quit: Bye!)
1365 2013-07-21 22:32:28 <Luke-Jr> bitanarchy: Bitcoin is not web.
1366 2013-07-21 22:32:57 <Luke-Jr> SOCKS5 proxy is an internet proxy. Which is plenty fine for Bitcoin.
1367 2013-07-21 22:41:14 rlifchitz has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1368 2013-07-21 22:51:42 santoscork has quit (Quit: Quiet while I make like a cat)
1369 2013-07-21 22:51:59 santoscork has joined
1370 2013-07-21 22:52:53 SomeoneWeird_ has quit (Changing host)
1371 2013-07-21 22:52:53 SomeoneWeird_ has joined
1372 2013-07-21 22:53:07 SomeoneWeird_ is now known as SomeoneWeird
1373 2013-07-21 23:00:41 hnz has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1374 2013-07-21 23:01:12 PrimeStunna has joined
1375 2013-07-21 23:02:33 bonks_ is now known as bonks
1376 2013-07-21 23:03:34 bmcgee has quit (Quit: bmcgee)
1377 2013-07-21 23:05:27 hnz has joined
1378 2013-07-21 23:15:27 cads has quit (Quit: Leaving)
1379 2013-07-21 23:24:41 owowo has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1380 2013-07-21 23:26:20 random_cat has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1381 2013-07-21 23:27:46 random_cat has joined
1382 2013-07-21 23:34:02 JZavala has joined
1383 2013-07-21 23:36:05 paraipan has quit (Quit: Saliendo)
1384 2013-07-21 23:37:43 owowo has joined
1385 2013-07-21 23:40:04 santoscork has quit (Quit: Quiet while I make like a cat)
1386 2013-07-21 23:43:31 jamesonwa has joined
1387 2013-07-21 23:43:46 Tabaza has joined
1388 2013-07-21 23:43:59 <Tabaza> i want to build online trading for bitcoin
1389 2013-07-21 23:44:12 <Tabaza> and to have many possible options
1390 2013-07-21 23:44:18 <Tabaza> iamopen for investments.
1391 2013-07-21 23:44:29 <Tabaza> looking for experts in bitcoins to guide me
1392 2013-07-21 23:46:46 sserrano44 has joined
1393 2013-07-21 23:49:11 Application has joined
1394 2013-07-21 23:52:04 ericmuyser has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1395 2013-07-21 23:57:56 bitanarchy has quit (Quit: Leaving)