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  3 2013-07-27 00:01:20 <rubino123> compiled all the way through after a redo
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  6 2013-07-27 00:02:48 <rubino123> where does .bitcoinconf belong what dir?
  7 2013-07-27 00:02:56 <rubino123> bitcoin.conf
  8 2013-07-27 00:03:12 <CodeShark> the datadir by default is ~/.bitcoin
  9 2013-07-27 00:03:37 <CodeShark> where ~ is the home directory of the user under which it runs
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 64 2013-07-27 01:53:09 <saivann> I plan to merge https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/215 (Re-structure bitcoin.org design and layout) in 2 days.
 65 2013-07-27 01:53:23 <saivann> More reviews are welcome. Especially reviews for typos and other text improvements ( in _translations/en.yml ). Please comment on the pull request.
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353 2013-07-27 14:33:54 <bmcgee> hey guys, am I right in thinking that re-indexing blocks on disk takes just as long as downloading the block chain initially because the process is cpu bound and not network bound?
354 2013-07-27 14:35:18 <Luke-Jr> more or less
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358 2013-07-27 14:38:41 <sipa> bmcgee: depends, for the early blocks it's likely network-bound
359 2013-07-27 14:38:45 <bmcgee> yeah, figured. Sucks...
360 2013-07-27 14:39:06 <bmcgee> my little mac mini has been going for a day now. about a 3rd of the way through :(
361 2013-07-27 14:39:08 <sipa> or disk bound
362 2013-07-27 14:39:12 <sipa> wut?
363 2013-07-27 14:39:16 <bmcgee> yup
364 2013-07-27 14:39:31 <sipa> Luke-Jr: you also reported a really slow reindex, no?
365 2013-07-27 14:39:36 <Luke-Jr> yes
366 2013-07-27 14:39:40 <Scrat> bad peer luck?
367 2013-07-27 14:39:42 <bmcgee> it's not the most powerful machine on the planet but it aint slow either
368 2013-07-27 14:39:58 <sipa> Scrat: for reindexing, your peers don't matter
369 2013-07-27 14:40:14 <bmcgee> i would've thought re-indexing would be relatively fast...
370 2013-07-27 14:40:37 <sipa> the hard part is maintaining the UTXO set
371 2013-07-27 14:40:44 <sipa> you need to do that whether you validate or not, even
372 2013-07-27 14:42:03 <bmcgee> Just checked, my mini is running with 2.26 Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo and 2Gb RAM. Fair enough the RAM is a bit low
373 2013-07-27 14:42:36 <sipa> unless you set -dbcache high, amount of memory doesn't really matter
374 2013-07-27 14:42:43 <sipa> that speeds up reindexing a lot though
375 2013-07-27 14:42:47 <sipa> (for me at least)
376 2013-07-27 14:44:52 <bmcgee> so i just stick that into bitcoin.conf
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378 2013-07-27 14:46:59 <gmaxwell> bmcgee: if you're network lucky then you're cpu bound.
379 2013-07-27 14:47:27 <gmaxwell> though that seems to be uncommon now unless you sync from local nodes.
380 2013-07-27 14:47:33 <bmcgee> what do you guys mean by lucky in terms of peers?
381 2013-07-27 14:47:49 <gmaxwell> meaning you don't get a slow and far away one as your chosen fetch point.
382 2013-07-27 14:48:51 <gmaxwell> Reindex takes me a couple hours (haven't timed it recently, but I think not more than three) but my recently timed network sync are 10 hours, 14 hours, and >18 hours (the last I aborted and switched to pull from a local node)
383 2013-07-27 14:49:06 <bmcgee> ah k
384 2013-07-27 14:49:14 <jgarzik> Hey, cool.  a 'lockunspent' user.  Glad to see people using that.
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386 2013-07-27 14:50:47 <bmcgee> i've added dbcache=high, lets see if it makes a dent
387 2013-07-27 14:51:51 <sipa> bmcgee: by 'high' i mean a large number
388 2013-07-27 14:51:59 <bmcgee> ah lol
389 2013-07-27 14:51:59 <sipa> it's an integer representing a number in megabytes
390 2013-07-27 14:52:24 <bmcgee> i'll try giving 3/4 of the total RAM
391 2013-07-27 14:52:32 <sipa> what OS?
392 2013-07-27 14:53:01 <bmcgee> Mac
393 2013-07-27 14:53:08 <bmcgee> 2 Gb total on the box
394 2013-07-27 14:53:08 <sipa> k
395 2013-07-27 14:54:01 <bmcgee> i've been using it for testing a pool server, doesn't need to be massively powerful. Power cable got pulled out a few days ago, seems to have corrupted the db. Ball ache waiting for it to re-index
396 2013-07-27 14:56:36 <gmaxwell> mac .. corrupted db. :-/
397 2013-07-27 14:57:21 <sipa> the "corrupted at unclean shutdown" case worries me less than the "corrupted randomly during sync, and fixed by rebooting"
398 2013-07-27 14:57:59 <sipa> though neither should happen, clearly
399 2013-07-27 14:58:51 <gmaxwell> Both preclude deploying pruning. ... chainstate is 247mb ... perhaps we ought to be keeping a backup copy of it to recover from.
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401 2013-07-27 15:00:07 <sipa> that shouldn't be necessary
402 2013-07-27 15:00:42 <sipa> leveldb's design should make crashes always safe... unless there is random data corruption, in which case keeping a copy won't help
403 2013-07-27 15:02:21 <gmaxwell> Even after whatever problem is causing these issues is solved it'll be some time before we can tell if the failure rate is one per thousand operating hours or greater than one in one-hundred-thousand operating hours. The latter being what we need for pruning.
404 2013-07-27 15:02:23 <sipa> every file in leveldb is append-only or even write-once
405 2013-07-27 15:03:33 <gmaxwell> Doesn't it need to ripple up changes when it rewrites a level to compact it? I guess those are just appended records?
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408 2013-07-27 15:04:10 <sipa> it writes new files
409 2013-07-27 15:04:14 <sipa> and then deletes the old ones
410 2013-07-27 15:04:47 <gmaxwell> sipa: I know thats how it updates a level, but then how does it find the new files?
411 2013-07-27 15:05:25 <gmaxwell> in any case, I think this corruption happens too often to be just an issue during compaction. :(
412 2013-07-27 15:06:19 <sipa> yeah
413 2013-07-27 15:06:31 <sipa> but especially the corruption during sync
414 2013-07-27 15:06:48 <sipa> where even nog a single exit/start cycle is involved
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416 2013-07-27 15:06:53 <sipa> *not
417 2013-07-27 15:06:58 <phantomcircuit> sipa, crashing ssds tend to cause corruption around sectors recently written to
418 2013-07-27 15:07:11 <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: yes, and the design should tolerate that.
419 2013-07-27 15:07:55 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, how would you tolerate that?
420 2013-07-27 15:08:12 <phantomcircuit> iirc leveldb doesn't checksum anything
421 2013-07-27 15:08:18 <gmaxwell> It does.
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423 2013-07-27 15:08:22 <phantomcircuit> most databases dont...
424 2013-07-27 15:08:30 <gmaxwell> So does postgresql.
425 2013-07-27 15:08:44 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, uh postgresql only checksums the wal
426 2013-07-27 15:08:45 <sipa> gmaxwell, Luke-Jr, bmcgee: just did a reindex until block 225430 (last checkpoint) in 19m12s
427 2013-07-27 15:08:53 <phantomcircuit> nothing else is checksummed
428 2013-07-27 15:09:00 <bmcgee> sipa: I hate you so much right now………..
429 2013-07-27 15:09:03 <bmcgee> ;)
430 2013-07-27 15:09:13 <gmaxwell> In any case, so long as the corruption is contigious, it should just tear off the last transaction. Leveldb is "all log".
431 2013-07-27 15:10:01 <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: yes, thats all that should need to get checksummed in the design.  If recent written areas are blown away the corruption will either be in the wal and detected, or be in the data and get detected on the WAL replay.
432 2013-07-27 15:10:17 <sipa> gmaxwell: i don't know whether there's any "in case a checksum error is found, roll back" setting
433 2013-07-27 15:10:26 <sipa> gmaxwell: i think it just checks, and fails if the checksum is wrong
434 2013-07-27 15:10:26 <gmaxwell> Though if the physical sector and the FS sectors don't agree, I could imagine that scary things would happen.
435 2013-07-27 15:10:44 <sipa> it's also not that simple that you can always roll back
436 2013-07-27 15:10:47 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, im saying the problem is that you can get random corruption in sectors physically close to the last written sector
437 2013-07-27 15:10:53 <phantomcircuit> but not necessarilly logically close
438 2013-07-27 15:11:14 <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: thats busted. :(
439 2013-07-27 15:11:22 <gmaxwell> "all bets are off"
440 2013-07-27 15:11:25 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, agreed
441 2013-07-27 15:12:04 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, there's a reason why my exchange code has a custom journal which incorporates a number of significant and very strict checksumming mechanisms
442 2013-07-27 15:12:16 <phantomcircuit> bad stuff happens with disks all the time
443 2013-07-27 15:12:18 <gmaxwell> The model in postgresql at least can _always_ tolerate recently written sectors being trashed. (well, so long as it doesn't expand past a logging epoch) but not when random ones get trashed too.
444 2013-07-27 15:12:27 <phantomcircuit> mostly people dont notice because it's not relevant
445 2013-07-27 15:13:20 <gmaxwell> sipa: hm. thats ... crappy. If it can't handle a corrupted write at the end then it can't be robust even on a well behaved disk.
446 2013-07-27 15:14:11 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, the main thing is to never run with corrupted data
447 2013-07-27 15:14:37 <phantomcircuit> or at least corrupted data that could lead to incorrect data being displayed about wallet transactions
448 2013-07-27 15:14:44 <gmaxwell> uh.
449 2013-07-27 15:14:50 <gmaxwell> this has nothing to do with wallets.
450 2013-07-27 15:14:51 <phantomcircuit> that's definitely an unsolved problem honstly
451 2013-07-27 15:15:05 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, i know it's the chainstate info
452 2013-07-27 15:15:25 <phantomcircuit> bdb is probably much worse than leveldb in this regard actually :/
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454 2013-07-27 15:15:48 <gmaxwell> bdb is supposted to handle all this stuff too, and in practice it seems to be pretty robust.
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456 2013-07-27 15:16:27 <gmaxwell> (bdb has an annoying practice of _crashing_ for certian kinds of corruption however, which does not inspire confidence)
457 2013-07-27 15:16:47 <gmaxwell> (but I've only ever triggered that by fuzzing its files)
458 2013-07-27 15:16:51 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, they specifically handle a lot of bizarre edge cases with various hard drives
459 2013-07-27 15:17:09 <phantomcircuit> to do that they end up using flush ops prodigiously
460 2013-07-27 15:17:20 <gmaxwell> yea, I've looked at the BDB code.
461 2013-07-27 15:17:50 <phantomcircuit> i generally assume hard drives are liars
462 2013-07-27 15:18:01 <phantomcircuit> which is why i've got a lot of things on zfs now...
463 2013-07-27 15:19:31 <sipa> gmaxwell: i think the log is replayed up to the part where checksums match
464 2013-07-27 15:19:38 <sipa> gmaxwell: so the log can have a corrupted end
465 2013-07-27 15:20:18 <gmaxwell> sipa: what if that leaves it in the middle of a transaction?
466 2013-07-27 15:20:35 <sipa> gmaxwell: the log is appended to atomically
467 2013-07-27 15:20:59 <phantomcircuit> sipa, that's literally impossible unless each log section is 512 bytes
468 2013-07-27 15:21:14 <sipa> i mean with a checksum for the entire record
469 2013-07-27 15:21:39 <sipa> leveldb does not have real transactions, only atomic batch updates
470 2013-07-27 15:21:57 <gmaxwell> k. that should be fine then.
471 2013-07-27 15:22:25 <sipa> though i'm not convinced anymore now that i'm looking at the code
472 2013-07-27 15:23:34 <phantomcircuit> sipa, looking at the log format... im not sure how that's possible
473 2013-07-27 15:23:48 <gmaxwell> still: our problems are not torn writes, though it's important to know what durability properties we can reasonable expect. If the chainstate is going to get irreparabily corrupted on an unfortuate shutdown we do need to know that.
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477 2013-07-27 15:31:33 <sipa> ok, when writing records
478 2013-07-27 15:31:46 <sipa> the batch is covnerted to an internal serialized batch
479 2013-07-27 15:31:58 <sipa> this batch is written to the log in one or more records
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481 2013-07-27 15:32:25 <sipa> each record with its own checksum and markers whether it is the (a) first record of a batch (b) last record of a batch
482 2013-07-27 15:32:40 <sipa> when reconstructing, the entire batch is read before applying it
483 2013-07-27 15:32:45 <sipa> so that looks safe to me
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485 2013-07-27 15:33:35 <phantomcircuit> sipa, is there a counter in the first record of how many more records there should be in the batch
486 2013-07-27 15:33:38 <phantomcircuit> im guessing no
487 2013-07-27 15:34:05 <sipa> hmmm
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489 2013-07-27 15:34:24 <phantomcircuit> sipa, it's not common, but writes disappearing is a failure mode
490 2013-07-27 15:34:25 <sipa> we should start asking people for the chainstate/LOG files when they report corruption
491 2013-07-27 15:34:41 <sipa> that would mention what types of repairs have been performed
492 2013-07-27 15:34:47 <phantomcircuit> especially with ssds that have buggy firmware
493 2013-07-27 15:35:14 <sipa> huh
494 2013-07-27 15:35:28 <phantomcircuit> sipa, lol yeah writes just
495 2013-07-27 15:35:30 <phantomcircuit> disappear
496 2013-07-27 15:35:32 <phantomcircuit> *poof*
497 2013-07-27 15:35:35 <phantomcircuit> it's bizarre
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499 2013-07-27 15:36:34 <sipa> when a log file record couldn't be applied, it is skipped
500 2013-07-27 15:36:40 <sipa> but the recovery is not aborted
501 2013-07-27 15:36:45 <gmaxwell> eek
502 2013-07-27 15:36:51 <phantomcircuit> sipa, ahah oh boy
503 2013-07-27 15:36:54 <phantomcircuit> that's not good
504 2013-07-27 15:37:03 <sipa> whether that is safe depends on how the checksum is calculated
505 2013-07-27 15:37:13 <sipa> if it is cumulative, further records should also fail
506 2013-07-27 15:37:15 <gmaxwell> yea, if the checksum for all the rest will fail then thats fine.
507 2013-07-27 15:37:28 <gmaxwell> easy enough to test I guess.
508 2013-07-27 15:37:55 <phantomcircuit> sipa, im pretty sure the checksum is per record
509 2013-07-27 15:38:16 <phantomcircuit> actually
510 2013-07-27 15:38:19 <phantomcircuit> scratch that
511 2013-07-27 15:38:22 <phantomcircuit> it's cumulative
512 2013-07-27 15:38:27 <phantomcircuit> uint32_t crc = crc32c::Extend(type_crc_[t], ptr, n);
513 2013-07-27 15:38:38 <sipa> it's only 32 bits though :)
514 2013-07-27 15:38:39 <phantomcircuit> sort of
515 2013-07-27 15:38:45 <phantomcircuit> it's cumulative by record type
516 2013-07-27 15:40:23 <phantomcircuit> sipa, so, corrupt middle record, followed by uncorrupted last record
517 2013-07-27 15:40:31 <phantomcircuit> you could end up applying a partial batch
518 2013-07-27 15:40:33 <phantomcircuit> (i think)
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520 2013-07-27 15:42:44 <sipa> uh-oh
521 2013-07-27 15:42:53 <sipa> type_crc_ are just precomputed crc's
522 2013-07-27 15:42:57 <sipa> they are not updated afaics
523 2013-07-27 15:43:07 <sipa> so the checksums are not cummulative
524 2013-07-27 15:43:40 <sipa> this sounds very bad...
525 2013-07-27 15:43:43 <phantomcircuit> lol...
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527 2013-07-27 15:43:58 <CodeShark> are you talking about leveldb?
528 2013-07-27 15:43:58 * phantomcircuit hugs his 0.7.3
529 2013-07-27 15:44:02 <sipa> CodeShark: yes
530 2013-07-27 15:44:31 <sipa> still, this does not explain the mid-sync corruptions
531 2013-07-27 15:44:46 <sipa> as log recovery is only done at startup
532 2013-07-27 15:44:47 <gmaxwell> yea, so thats not good but doesn't explain our actual problems.
533 2013-07-27 15:45:07 <gmaxwell> it also sounds easily fixed. E.g. adding a counter to the last record.
534 2013-07-27 15:45:22 <phantomcircuit> well the format here is simple enough that if people provided their db it could be analyzed
535 2013-07-27 15:45:25 <sipa> or just stopping as soon as a checksum mismatch is detected
536 2013-07-27 15:45:43 <sipa> instead of trying to continue with further records
537 2013-07-27 15:45:45 <phantomcircuit> sipa, checksum & sequence id
538 2013-07-27 15:45:54 <phantomcircuit> they protect against different failure modes
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550 2013-07-27 16:03:43 <bmcgee> sipa: that 19m you quoted, was that a re-index or did it include downloading from other peers?
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553 2013-07-27 16:03:58 <sipa> bmcgee: reindex
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555 2013-07-27 16:04:06 <sipa> bmcgee: and only until block 225430
556 2013-07-27 16:06:20 <sipa> it's around an hour for a full reindex here
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558 2013-07-27 16:06:32 <sipa> but the latter part is cpu-bound, and this is on a fast cpu
559 2013-07-27 16:06:51 <bmcgee> i'm gonna try it on my macbook pro. i7 with 16gb ram…..
560 2013-07-27 16:07:14 <sipa> (hexacore, 12 threads, 3.2 GHz xeon)
561 2013-07-27 16:08:55 <bmcgee> sipa: again, I hate you so much right now...
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607 2013-07-27 18:09:30 <bmcgee> is it possible to install bitcoind on a mac? not bitcoin-qt
608 2013-07-27 18:10:01 <bmcgee> bitcoin-testnet-box requires the command line daemon
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610 2013-07-27 18:11:57 <bmcgee> ah wait a min, being stupid. I'll just spin up vagrant
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613 2013-07-27 18:14:14 <Diablo-D3> bmcgee: it works fine on osx
614 2013-07-27 18:14:27 <Diablo-D3> its the same code, just doesnt include the qt ui
615 2013-07-27 18:14:35 <bmcgee> Diablo-D3: how did you install it?
616 2013-07-27 18:14:42 <Diablo-D3> I havent
617 2013-07-27 18:14:47 <Diablo-D3> I dont use bitcoin on osx
618 2013-07-27 18:15:03 <bmcgee> ah well I'm happy enough to spin up an ubuntu vm and just run it from there
619 2013-07-27 18:15:18 <bmcgee> better in some ways anyway, less clutter on my machine
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622 2013-07-27 18:19:16 <sipa> bmcgee: if you build it yourself, you'll have it :)
623 2013-07-27 18:19:29 <bmcgee> sipa: meh ;)
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687 2013-07-27 20:15:53 <CheckDavid> hey guys, just a quick question
688 2013-07-27 20:16:06 <CheckDavid> Is it possible to make a decentralized system for chat?
689 2013-07-27 20:16:17 <CheckDavid> A bit like IRC, but decentralized like bitcoin?
690 2013-07-27 20:16:28 <Luke-Jr> CheckDavid: probably; some people have been discussing doing that
691 2013-07-27 20:18:01 <CheckDavid> Anything peculiar about it
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693 2013-07-27 20:18:08 <CheckDavid> As in limitations or features?
694 2013-07-27 20:18:24 <Luke-Jr> as I understand it, the difficult part is moderation
695 2013-07-27 20:18:30 <Luke-Jr> and antispam
696 2013-07-27 20:18:55 <CheckDavid> Couldn't the network assing moderator roles to certain users?
697 2013-07-27 20:19:15 <Luke-Jr> then it's no longer decentralized
698 2013-07-27 20:19:21 <bmcgee> I was just gonna say that
699 2013-07-27 20:19:36 <MoALTz> why not just commit to the blockchain the hash of each message sent? (non-refutation)
700 2013-07-27 20:19:39 <CheckDavid> I don't see how it would not be decentralized.
701 2013-07-27 20:19:58 <CheckDavid> The moderation would be limited to a certan room or channel, considering IRC as an analogy.
702 2013-07-27 20:20:02 <Luke-Jr> MoALTz: … srsly?
703 2013-07-27 20:20:47 <MoALTz> Luke-Jr: email takes on this role in organisations (irrefutable that your boss ordered you do X)
704 2013-07-27 20:21:06 <Luke-Jr> MoALTz: and email has major spam problems
705 2013-07-27 20:21:18 <Scrat> btc backed fidelity bonds required to join, voting system for kicks/bans
706 2013-07-27 20:22:00 <Scrat> plus a decentralized WoT
707 2013-07-27 20:22:06 <Scrat> ok it's madness :/
708 2013-07-27 20:22:13 <bmcgee> lol
709 2013-07-27 20:22:15 <Luke-Jr> socks will vote to ban you
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715 2013-07-27 20:24:12 <Scrat> Luke-Jr: voting will be weighed by WoT score
716 2013-07-27 20:24:19 <Luke-Jr> Scrat: from whose perspective?
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719 2013-07-27 20:25:01 <gmaxwell> Scrat: my 1000 socks have all WoT++ed each other.
720 2013-07-27 20:25:18 <Scrat> a genesis block will have to exist with a few starting trusted organizations
721 2013-07-27 20:25:28 <gmaxwell> then that isn't decenteralized.
722 2013-07-27 20:25:29 <Luke-Jr> so we're back to centralized
723 2013-07-27 20:25:35 <Luke-Jr> also, why the heck would we have a blockchain for this?
724 2013-07-27 20:25:49 <Scrat> forgot to add quotes
725 2013-07-27 20:25:55 <gmaxwell> if you want to have "trusted organizations" you can dispense with a lot of messy complexity, but ... not decenteralized.
726 2013-07-27 20:26:12 <MoALTz> what exactly do you want your chat system to do?
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728 2013-07-27 20:26:26 <Luke-Jr> MoALTz: what IRC does
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730 2013-07-27 20:27:59 <MoALTz> you know what? node proposes a block that has messages. other nodes may do PoW on it depending on their judgement via bayesian scoring
731 2013-07-27 20:28:38 <MoALTz> blocks that tend not to contain spam would be more likely to have PoW applied
732 2013-07-27 20:28:48 <gmaxwell> wrong channel for this stuff btw, I'm sorry I responded above, I thought this was #bitcoin.
733 2013-07-27 20:28:52 <MoALTz> however, incentives would need  to be there
734 2013-07-27 20:28:55 <MoALTz> ok
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736 2013-07-27 20:29:29 <Scrat> gmaxwell: yeah my bad for starting it, obviously I havent thought this through
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738 2013-07-27 20:32:18 <Luke-Jr> if someone makes a channel for this topic in further depth, please let me know
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753 2013-07-27 21:03:58 <bmcgee> not strictly on topic, but I'm guessing a fair number of you guys have consider Make fu
754 2013-07-27 21:04:00 <bmcgee> am i right?
755 2013-07-27 21:05:05 <bmcgee> i want to tweak some of the targets for bitcoin-testnet-box
756 2013-07-27 21:05:16 <bmcgee> but i'm just a lowly Java/Scala developer….
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769 2013-07-27 21:24:43 <bmcgee> scratch that, don't need to modify it in the end
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797 2013-07-27 22:05:47 <warren> hmm, how much memory does bitcoind normally use on your systems?
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807 2013-07-27 22:22:55 <phantomcircuit> warren, ~500 MB
808 2013-07-27 22:23:04 <phantomcircuit> or 260 MB
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810 2013-07-27 22:24:32 <warren> why such a big difference?
811 2013-07-27 22:24:55 <phantomcircuit> activity
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828 2013-07-27 23:06:21 * sipa haz a headers-first syncing + parallel IBD node
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839 2013-07-27 23:20:00 <gavinandresen> sipa also haz mad skilz
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842 2013-07-27 23:22:09 <warren> awesome
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861 2013-07-27 23:56:28 <sipa> ;;blocks
862 2013-07-27 23:56:29 <gribble> 248790
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