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156 2013-08-17 06:13:13 <warren> Luke-Jr: where did you commit that?
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162 2013-08-17 06:53:49 <warren> Luke-Jr: https://github.com/wtogami/bitcoin/commits/btc09tested  here is the subset of 0.9 patches that we've shipped in litecoin-0.8.3.7 and tested for 1-2 months in production.  (There were a few more, but I removed the non-bugfix patches from this branch.)
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164 2013-08-17 07:01:44 <warren> Luke-Jr: https://github.com/litecoin-project/litecoin/commits/exp-btc09backports  entire set of bitcoin-0.9 patches we shipped in litecoin-0.8.3.7 (superset of the previous branch)
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218 2013-08-17 09:43:43 <Luke-Jr> warren: https://gitorious.org/bitcoin/bitcoind-stable/
219 2013-08-17 09:43:50 <Luke-Jr> warren: I suppose I care about what you put in litecoin as a FYI, but it is entirely irrelevant for the stable branches. They have a policy to only include fixes that are merged to master.
220 2013-08-17 09:45:09 <warren> Luke-Jr: all of those commits I linked to were merged to master.
221 2013-08-17 09:45:46 <warren> Luke-Jr: Litecoin tested them in production for 2 months+, which should hopefully improve confidence in their correctness.
222 2013-08-17 09:46:02 <Luke-Jr> warren: I guess I was assuming it included clearly-non-fixes like coin control
223 2013-08-17 09:46:13 <warren> Luke-Jr: coin control is not among these patches
224 2013-08-17 09:47:41 <warren> Luke-Jr: please don't assume?  I made the first branch explicitly for the purpose of guidance for a potential bitcoin-0.8.4.  The second branch is the distilled bitcoin master commits that we actually tested and shipped which is a superset of the first branch.
225 2013-08-17 09:49:18 <warren> Luke-Jr: so your 0.8.4 is unofficial as far as bitcoin.org is concerned?
226 2013-08-17 09:49:40 <Luke-Jr> it's not 0.8.4 until it's tagged
227 2013-08-17 09:49:43 <warren> oh
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229 2013-08-17 09:52:31 <warren> Luke-Jr: though this is meant to become bitcoin.org 0.8.4?  yesterday folks here said there was no need for 0.8.4
230 2013-08-17 09:53:21 <Luke-Jr> warren: there isn't really a need yet.
231 2013-08-17 09:53:39 <warren> ok
232 2013-08-17 09:53:51 <warren> Luke-Jr: did you pull everything in my suggested branch?
233 2013-08-17 09:53:54 <Luke-Jr> usually I'd tag it when 0.9 is released
234 2013-08-17 09:53:58 <Luke-Jr> warren: no
235 2013-08-17 09:54:15 <warren> the benefit of my branch is that it is vigorously tested
236 2013-08-17 09:55:03 <warren> although I'm aware of one minor regression in one of those patches that remains in master now
237 2013-08-17 09:56:16 <warren> Luke-Jr: https://github.com/wtogami/bitcoin/commits/btc09tested  please consider these patches, you have most of them already
238 2013-08-17 09:56:52 <Luke-Jr> listreceivedbyaddress now provides tx ids (issue #1149) <-- not a fix
239 2013-08-17 09:57:06 <warren> don't need all of it
240 2013-08-17 09:57:26 <warren> "Log reason for non-standard transaction rejection" is pretty helpful
241 2013-08-17 09:57:58 <Luke-Jr> in fact, most of this doesn't look like fixes
242 2013-08-17 09:58:59 <Luke-Jr> stable branches aren't for people who want an older version. they're for people who can't upgrade yet.
243 2013-08-17 09:59:43 <Luke-Jr> or when there are strict fix-only policies to deal with (eg, Debian)
244 2013-08-17 10:00:40 <warren> these patches seemed safe and helpful i one way or another so I included it in our testing for months prior to bitcoin shipping them in production.  We pulled some because we found bugs (in non-main variant branches).
245 2013-08-17 10:00:46 <warren> s/pulled/removed/
246 2013-08-17 10:01:15 <warren> so yes, our goals were a little different than stable backports
247 2013-08-17 10:01:25 <warren> "Log reason for non-standard transaction rejection" was helpful in debugging
248 2013-08-17 10:01:35 <warren> and certainly not dangerous
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259 2013-08-17 10:41:49 <Luke-Jr> User experience attempting (and failing!) to use pulltester builds: http://0bin.net/paste/Y5-4KlHz2Y4AoaXc#4ipfvASglE0JJR70FsoBmPM6j+7trwTim44QWhzWTgY=
260 2013-08-17 10:42:06 <Luke-Jr> no idea what's going wrong there
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291 2013-08-17 11:58:05 <tekkentux> to those who remember (e.g. Luke-Jr ) I think I found the reason, why bitcoind rejects my miners data.
292 2013-08-17 11:58:25 <Luke-Jr> ?
293 2013-08-17 11:58:36 <tekkentux> some debug output showed, that the hash is reversed before comparison to target
294 2013-08-17 11:59:04 <tekkentux> so its like it was a 256 little endian number
295 2013-08-17 11:59:38 <tekkentux> not groups of 4 bytes reversed each, but 1 gropu of 32 bytes  reversed
296 2013-08-17 12:00:22 <tekkentux> so my hashes actually have zeros in the end not in the beginning
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300 2013-08-17 12:05:33 <tekkentux> so I think I must do "if (reverse(hash) < target) then yay" instead of "if (hash < target) then yay" on my miner
301 2013-08-17 12:06:00 <tekkentux> because thats what bitcoind seems to do
302 2013-08-17 12:06:20 <JWU42> just had both bitcoinds crash again
303 2013-08-17 12:06:31 <JWU42> seems same issue as 2 weeks ago...
304 2013-08-17 12:07:21 <JWU42> https://www.refheap.com/bb5b3f6d1b43efa1bfd2f904f
305 2013-08-17 12:09:13 <JWU42> I think there was a patch but I didn't apply it
306 2013-08-17 12:12:36 <sipa> there's a patch in git head
307 2013-08-17 12:12:51 <JWU42> guess it is time to update
308 2013-08-17 12:13:03 <JWU42> is 0.8.4 coming soon ?
309 2013-08-17 12:13:15 <sipa> probably
310 2013-08-17 12:13:27 <JWU42> thks sipa
311 2013-08-17 12:14:04 <gmaxwell> hurrah, patched node here survived it.
312 2013-08-17 12:14:14 <JWU42> patch works =)
313 2013-08-17 12:14:18 <gmaxwell> (assuming it saw the case)
314 2013-08-17 12:14:26 <tgs3> there is a bug crashing bitcoind ?
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316 2013-08-17 12:14:51 <gmaxwell> tgs3: mining ones with debug enabled
317 2013-08-17 12:15:15 <gmaxwell> JWU42: can you tell me the reorg that triggered it so I can see if I observed it?
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327 2013-08-17 12:30:51 <Luke-Jr> sipa: is there a reason to release 0.8.4?
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329 2013-08-17 12:35:44 <tekkentux> look at this: http://www.privatepaste.com/5bfe486036/laskfj
330 2013-08-17 12:36:25 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: we might do a core team 0.8.4 for that and some other assorted bits and bytes.
331 2013-08-17 12:36:43 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: might as well make it from the 0.8.x branch
332 2013-08-17 12:37:18 <tekkentux> the output is at the bottom: first line is the hash how its actually in memory, next line how it seems to be interpreted als 256bit little endian number (reversed). same applys to the target
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334 2013-08-17 12:37:32 <gmaxwell> One thing is that it looks like 0.9 will end up with a pretty good list of agressive changes, may cause some slow updating, so a fixes release may be good.
335 2013-08-17 12:38:04 <Luke-Jr> changelog http://codepad.org/Su2CnSdB
336 2013-08-17 12:38:55 <tekkentux> but to get a hash that is reversed, one needs to have a totally different block. can't just send the block reversed or whatever. So when searching for a block one has to look for ending zeros, not for leading zeros actually
337 2013-08-17 12:39:08 <tekkentux> does that make sence to anyone?
338 2013-08-17 12:39:17 <Luke-Jr> tekkentux: old news
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341 2013-08-17 12:39:23 <tekkentux> omg
342 2013-08-17 12:39:31 <tekkentux> I didn't knew that :(
343 2013-08-17 12:39:45 <Luke-Jr> tekkentux: hope you didn't produce ASICs assuming the reverse <.<
344 2013-08-17 12:39:49 <tekkentux> loool
345 2013-08-17 12:39:50 <tekkentux> no
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347 2013-08-17 12:40:28 <tekkentux> maybe there should be a hint to that in the wiki
348 2013-08-17 12:40:46 <sipa> bitcoin interprets all data as little-endian
349 2013-08-17 12:40:49 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: v0.8.3..0.8.x diff http://codepad.org/P8I8pm5i
350 2013-08-17 12:40:57 <Luke-Jr> sipa: it's NOT that simple :<
351 2013-08-17 12:41:03 <sipa> except things that are done in crypto libraries
352 2013-08-17 12:41:12 <Luke-Jr> sipa: this is a mixed-endian thing
353 2013-08-17 12:41:17 <sipa> ok
354 2013-08-17 12:41:30 <Luke-Jr> the number is 256-bit little endian, but with each 32-bit chunk in big endian
355 2013-08-17 12:41:38 <sipa> i'll shut up without having implememted a miner myself
356 2013-08-17 12:41:43 <sipa> oh, really?
357 2013-08-17 12:41:44 <sipa> ok
358 2013-08-17 12:42:05 <tekkentux> A hint like "don't forget that leading zeros are actually ending zeros in the produced hash" somewhere would help
359 2013-08-17 12:42:05 <Luke-Jr> IIRC
360 2013-08-17 12:42:29 <Luke-Jr> tekkentux: wikis are editable!
361 2013-08-17 12:42:45 <tekkentux> I'll add that
362 2013-08-17 12:42:51 <sipa> Luke-Jr: that changelog does not include the chainparams refactor, but does include somethijg that depends on it?
363 2013-08-17 12:42:54 <tekkentux> if it's editable by everyone
364 2013-08-17 12:42:58 <sipa> (the 0x thing)
365 2013-08-17 12:43:29 <Luke-Jr> sipa: correct
366 2013-08-17 12:43:40 <sipa> that seems strange?
367 2013-08-17 12:43:46 <Luke-Jr> sipa: that bug was moved from another spot
368 2013-08-17 12:43:52 <sipa> ah ok
369 2013-08-17 12:45:05 <Luke-Jr> guess maybe I should have changed the log comment
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393 2013-08-17 13:31:19 <PRab> In the preferences pane, is there a way to see what the url to the various servers is?
394 2013-08-17 13:31:50 <sipa> ?
395 2013-08-17 13:31:59 <PRab> ^sry, wrong channel.
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432 2013-08-17 14:40:41 <sipa> ;;genrate 4
433 2013-08-17 14:40:42 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 4.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 50810339.0483, is 3.95908805846e-05 BTC per day and 1.64962002436e-06 BTC per hour.
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438 2013-08-17 14:47:48 <sipa> ;;genrate 300
439 2013-08-17 14:47:49 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 300.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 50810339.0483, is 0.00296931604384 BTC per day and 0.000123721501827 BTC per hour.
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460 2013-08-17 15:06:03 <Zoop_> http://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions-excluding-popular
461 2013-08-17 15:06:16 <Zoop_> is the network being ddos'd?
462 2013-08-17 15:07:05 <Zoop_> it's almost surpassing April's value
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527 2013-08-17 17:09:39 <JyZyXEL> i wonder why the Analysis of hashrate-based double-speding by Meni Rosenfeld doesn't include the probabilities for 0-confirmations?
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530 2013-08-17 17:12:18 <Luke-Jr> JyZyXEL: probably because the probability of a 0-confirm is 100% if someone is trying?
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533 2013-08-17 17:14:50 <JyZyXEL> because they had already pre-mined the transaction into the next block prior to broadcasting the other transaction?
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536 2013-08-17 17:20:55 <JyZyXEL> it still could be added in the chapter 6. Economics of double-spending
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541 2013-08-17 17:29:38 <JyZyXEL> i wonder if anyone has yet made a bitcoin double-spend profitability calculator :p
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547 2013-08-17 17:40:33 <JyZyXEL> everyone is using a cup of coffee as an example for 0-conf situations
548 2013-08-17 17:40:53 <JyZyXEL> hell i'd accept a verbal IOU for a coffee :p
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624 2013-08-17 20:49:34 <sipa> Luke-Jr: see #2907
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635 2013-08-17 21:12:36 <sipa> Luke-Jr: did i miss any reverted commits? #2907 doesn't seem to reinstate the quotation marks around $CC or the TMPDIR check
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639 2013-08-17 21:18:57 <sipa> ah, the quotation marks come from the (not yet merged) autotools patch
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641 2013-08-17 21:21:46 <Luke-Jr> sipa: why not nuke the ripple-based leveldb stuff and put the clean merge in its place? <.<
642 2013-08-17 21:22:46 <Luke-Jr> not sure what you mean re autotools patch
643 2013-08-17 21:23:19 <sipa> Luke-Jr: i did all nuking i could?
644 2013-08-17 21:23:36 <sipa> i'm not going to rewrite the public bitcoin/bitcoin repo
645 2013-08-17 21:23:46 <sipa> bitcoin/leveldb is clean
646 2013-08-17 21:23:47 <Luke-Jr> no, I mean rewrite bitcoin/leveldb
647 2013-08-17 21:23:49 <sipa> i did
648 2013-08-17 21:24:15 <Luke-Jr> that's not what github shows
649 2013-08-17 21:24:22 <Luke-Jr> or rather, it doesn't show a clean merge
650 2013-08-17 21:24:25 <sipa> ?
651 2013-08-17 21:24:52 <sipa> there are no merge commits whatsoever there
652 2013-08-17 21:24:58 <Luke-Jr> exactly the problem?
653 2013-08-17 21:25:12 <sipa> i don't know what you mean
654 2013-08-17 21:25:20 <sipa> it's just the history of the leveldb branch
655 2013-08-17 21:25:21 <Luke-Jr> there *should* be merge commits, from upstream
656 2013-08-17 21:25:34 <Luke-Jr> http://codepad.org/3WNZMcP5
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658 2013-08-17 21:25:50 <Vinnie_win> Hey fellas
659 2013-08-17 21:26:09 <Vinnie_win> http://codepad.org/g8oelDXk Any idea why the bind() confuses my traits classes?
660 2013-08-17 21:26:14 <Vinnie_win> (program output at bottom)
661 2013-08-17 21:26:21 <sipa> Luke-Jr: you mean merge commits from leveldb upstream?
662 2013-08-17 21:26:33 <Luke-Jr> sipa: right
663 2013-08-17 21:26:52 <sipa> interesting
664 2013-08-17 21:27:03 <sipa> let me try that
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666 2013-08-17 21:30:06 <Luke-Jr> this way it's trivial to do merges in the future with git, with clear/accurate history/accountability
667 2013-08-17 21:30:16 <sipa> yup, agree
668 2013-08-17 21:32:03 <sipa> any reason not to rebase our leveldb patches on top of current leveldb upstream?
669 2013-08-17 21:32:08 <sipa> and start from there
670 2013-08-17 21:34:47 <sipa> our own commits in that repository will be "artificial" anyway, as their original history is in the bitcoin repo
671 2013-08-17 21:36:49 <sipa> Luke-Jr: and your diff file has a change in Makefile, where "" are put around $(CC) - this seems to be a change that comes from TheUni's autotools branch?
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674 2013-08-17 21:39:45 <Luke-Jr> sipa: no, it's upstream
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677 2013-08-17 21:40:35 <Luke-Jr> sipa: rebasing destroys the original history, but other than that I guess it'd be fine; might as well set a clean precedent for future merges though IMO
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679 2013-08-17 21:41:12 <Luke-Jr> * 28dad91 Release leveldb 1.10 <-- includes the quotes
680 2013-08-17 21:41:17 <sipa> you're right
681 2013-08-17 21:42:22 <sipa> i'm just very unconfortable with merged, i guess :)
682 2013-08-17 21:42:26 <sipa> *merges
683 2013-08-17 21:42:36 <sipa> i understand the purpose, but they look ugly
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685 2013-08-17 21:44:53 <Luke-Jr> sipa: presentation is configurable in git ;p
686 2013-08-17 21:45:39 <sipa> can you do a rebase that retains merges?
687 2013-08-17 21:46:12 <sipa> --preserve-merges
688 2013-08-17 21:46:13 <sipa> ha!
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691 2013-08-17 21:49:42 <sipa> doesn't seem to work
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693 2013-08-17 21:51:46 <sipa> Luke-Jr: how did you generate that tree?
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698 2013-08-17 22:02:27 <Luke-Jr> sipa: checked out LevelDB's 1.7 commit, cherry-picked Bitcoin's changes from the master branch on top of it, merged the 2 commits from upstream we added in 3.0.2, cherry-picked more commits from bitcoin's tree, then finally merged upstream's 1.12
699 2013-08-17 22:02:54 <sipa> let me try some more git-subtree magic first
700 2013-08-17 22:03:05 <sipa> if that doesn't work, i'll use your branch
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703 2013-08-17 22:03:27 <Luke-Jr> sipa: if you just want to use that as-is, you can git fetch my repo and use: git reset --hard 202a78a
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707 2013-08-17 22:04:10 <sipa> i know
708 2013-08-17 22:04:13 <Luke-Jr> I assume you're trying to reproduce it so you can learn how to make it and verify though
709 2013-08-17 22:04:20 <Luke-Jr> k
710 2013-08-17 22:04:28 <sipa> but that results in a rather large sequence of revert + reapplies
711 2013-08-17 22:06:18 <Luke-Jr> ?
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713 2013-08-17 22:10:10 <Luke-Jr> due to subtree?
714 2013-08-17 22:10:47 <sipa> yes
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716 2013-08-17 22:11:48 <sipa> it's inevitable probably, there's too much rewrite
717 2013-08-17 22:12:03 <Luke-Jr> submodules wouldn't need any rewrite
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719 2013-08-17 22:13:11 <sipa> k
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728 2013-08-17 22:30:48 <sipa> Luke-Jr: updated the pull request; i just used a rebased version of course leveldb tree for now
729 2013-08-17 22:30:59 <sipa> at least i trust this :)
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735 2013-08-17 22:47:21 <gmaxwell> sipa: thanks.
736 2013-08-17 22:50:17 <Luke-Jr> sipa: what's the difference in CondVar::SignalAll ?
737 2013-08-17 22:50:37 <Luke-Jr> something from ripple?
738 2013-08-17 22:50:59 <sipa> it's a patch from the bugtracker
739 2013-08-17 22:51:19 <sipa> it's not merged upstream as upstream doesn't have the windows port
740 2013-08-17 22:51:53 <sipa> it was committed by JoelKatz, but they didn't write it
741 2013-08-17 22:52:38 <sipa> https://github.com/bitcoin/leveldb/commit/728aeb859348783068dc59cb597febe31cc370b4
742 2013-08-17 22:53:19 <Luke-Jr> hmm
743 2013-08-17 22:53:23 <gmaxwell> might want to fix that with correct attribution.
744 2013-08-17 22:53:34 <sipa> good point
745 2013-08-17 22:54:07 <sipa> that's hard, with the full email address not even being visible
746 2013-08-17 22:54:36 <gmaxwell> android wallet didn't support addr import right? so no one should be burned by compromised vanity addresses after the android rng incident?
747 2013-08-17 22:55:03 <sipa> it does support address import, from encrypted wallet backup files
748 2013-08-17 22:55:08 <gmaxwell> solve a captcha.
749 2013-08-17 22:55:17 <Luke-Jr> makhnich@gmail.com
750 2013-08-17 22:55:17 <sipa> ?
751 2013-08-17 22:55:25 <gmaxwell> makhnich@gmail.com
752 2013-08-17 22:55:26 <sipa> ah!
753 2013-08-17 22:55:28 <Luke-Jr> Vladimir Makhnychev
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755 2013-08-17 22:56:33 <Luke-Jr> --date='Feb 22 00:00:00 2013 +0000' --author='Vladimir Makhnychev <makhnich@gmail.com>'
756 2013-08-17 22:59:06 <sipa> fixed
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759 2013-08-17 23:01:40 <gmaxwell> User factors fun:  some person I was talking to lost a couple btc through this sequence of events: Imported a key from a third party, obviously no way to remove it.  Later, user flipped to the recv tab and picked an address to send coins to........
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761 2013-08-17 23:03:49 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: yay combination vulnerabilities :/
762 2013-08-17 23:05:19 <gmaxwell> it's interesting that there are about four ways, design wise, we could have prevented this.  E.g. no import (just sweep), not listing imports in the addr list, not setting up the recieve tab in a way that encourages reuse, showing imported keys differently.
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765 2013-08-17 23:13:27 <JDuke128> hello , whats the usage of Merkle trees ? are they taking hash of data?
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768 2013-08-17 23:18:19 <gmaxwell> JDuke128: you might want to try googling some introductory material to bitcoin. But transactions are hashed using a hash tree, so that they can be validated by someone without all the transactions.
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778 2013-08-17 23:47:41 <gmaxwell> why the heck would BFL make their new mining product be a !@#! PCIex16 card?!?!?
779 2013-08-17 23:47:57 <JDuke128> gmaxwell , okay good
780 2013-08-17 23:47:58 <JDuke128> but
781 2013-08-17 23:48:11 <JDuke128> docs doesnt explain about merkle tree deeply
782 2013-08-17 23:48:19 <JDuke128> as i read on google docs
783 2013-08-17 23:48:38 <gmaxwell> JDuke128: google docs?
784 2013-08-17 23:48:38 <JDuke128> merkle tree is a hash tree checking data is true or not in realtime
785 2013-08-17 23:49:05 <JDuke128> google search
786 2013-08-17 23:49:07 <JDuke128> i mean
787 2013-08-17 23:49:08 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: isn't it x1?
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789 2013-08-17 23:50:01 <gmaxwell> well the _picture_ is an x16 card.
790 2013-08-17 23:50:06 <JDuke128> for example if i ve 5GB data , i can take directly hash of every 1024 byte data with SHA-1. Whats the advantage of merkle tree with other solution with SHA-1 hash every 1024 byte ?
791 2013-08-17 23:50:41 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: I guess I should be happy because it won't have an insanely slow bus at least... unless they manage to stick a pci->uart interface on it.
792 2013-08-17 23:51:11 <gmaxwell> JDuke128: this isn't really a bitcoin development question, you should ask in #bitcoin.
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