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  65 2013-09-01 02:51:50 <jorash> Developing efficeint quantum simulation software so we can mine in sublinear time :D
  66 2013-09-01 02:52:34 <jorash> down with SHA hardness tyranny!!!!!
  67 2013-09-01 02:55:59 <jorash> (serious)
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 102 2013-09-01 04:39:09 <maaku> you can't get the benefit of quantum hardware through simulation ...
 103 2013-09-01 04:43:01 <jgarzik> you get simulated benefit
 104 2013-09-01 04:43:07 <maaku> heh
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 111 2013-09-01 05:07:08 <amiller> jorash, i can't figure out what it is you're recommending or interested in, every secure application in the world will require a secure hash function, interfering with bitcoin mining is the least of the threat of the quantum bogeyman
 112 2013-09-01 05:09:17 <amiller> maybe you're saying there's potentially a better way to specifically speedup bitcoin mining with quantum search, more specifically than just attacking all signatures/secure applications by finding collisions
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 137 2013-09-01 06:49:19 <maaku> found a transaciton on testnet that has an invalid push opcode
 138 2013-09-01 06:49:28 <maaku> i'm assuming that I shouldn't be eagerly parsing scripts?
 139 2013-09-01 06:49:45 <gmaxwell> nope, you shouldn't be.
 140 2013-09-01 06:49:52 <gmaxwell> Also don't parse scriptpubkeys at all.
 141 2013-09-01 06:49:57 <gmaxwell> (except at spend time)
 142 2013-09-01 06:50:30 <gmaxwell> maaku: what block is it in?
 143 2013-09-01 06:50:42 <gmaxwell> (e.g. is it in the first 500? if not we may need to improve our test vectors some)
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 145 2013-09-01 06:51:35 <maaku> yes it is
 146 2013-09-01 06:51:50 <maaku> block 452
 147 2013-09-01 06:52:09 <gmaxwell> okay, I think everything in the first 500 is in our other testvectors.
 148 2013-09-01 06:52:27 <maaku> ok
 149 2013-09-01 06:52:35 <maaku> this was my code crashing, not bitcoind
 150 2013-09-01 06:52:42 <gmaxwell> ::nods::
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 154 2013-09-01 07:18:22 <d34th> i think i made an oopsie
 155 2013-09-01 07:18:31 <d34th> somehow bitcoin is using 6GB of ram
 156 2013-09-01 07:18:47 <gmaxwell> d34th: is it actually using 6GB of ram or is your virt just high?
 157 2013-09-01 07:19:12 <d34th> private is higher than virt
 158 2013-09-01 07:19:21 <d34th> **working set
 159 2013-09-01 07:20:02 <gmaxwell> What OS are you on?
 160 2013-09-01 07:20:10 <d34th> Win 7 64bit
 161 2013-09-01 07:20:52 <d34th> though im running a somewhat old version
 162 2013-09-01 07:20:57 <d34th> maybe i should update
 163 2013-09-01 07:21:01 <gmaxwell> what version?
 164 2013-09-01 07:21:10 <d34th> commit: c4316fefa5f56d62eeceb710ee18313bd9be1128
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 166 2013-09-01 07:21:34 <gmaxwell> please don't make me play git sluth.
 167 2013-09-01 07:21:40 <gmaxwell> is that prior to 0.8.2?
 168 2013-09-01 07:21:42 <d34th> ~ july 29th
 169 2013-09-01 07:21:55 <d34th> no
 170 2013-09-01 07:21:57 <d34th> i have leveldb
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 172 2013-09-01 07:22:12 <d34th> it was post 0.8.2
 173 2013-09-01 07:22:27 <gmaxwell> well 0.8.2 has nothing to do with leveldb. But okay.
 174 2013-09-01 07:22:39 <d34th> yea i know, leveldb was 0.8.0
 175 2013-09-01 07:23:11 <d34th> its during IBD if that matters
 176 2013-09-01 07:23:20 <d34th> which it probably does
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 178 2013-09-01 07:27:11 <gmaxwell> d34th: shouldn't unless you've increased the dbcache.. but perhaps we have an interesting bug.
 179 2013-09-01 07:27:30 <d34th> well like i said, its a really old commit so maybe its patched
 180 2013-09-01 07:27:35 <d34th> i really should update
 181 2013-09-01 07:29:44 <sipa> 0.8.2 is from may 29th, 0.8.3 from june 25th
 182 2013-09-01 07:29:52 <sipa> there are no releases since then
 183 2013-09-01 07:34:48 <sipa> also... windows? our windows binaries are 32-bit, i don't see how they'd ever address more than 3 GiB
 184 2013-09-01 07:35:24 <d34th> ill restart, see if that helps
 185 2013-09-01 07:35:32 <d34th> it shouldnt
 186 2013-09-01 07:35:34 <d34th> but windows
 187 2013-09-01 07:37:18 <sipa> so what version are you running?
 188 2013-09-01 07:38:57 <sipa> oh, that's git head
 189 2013-09-01 07:39:22 <sipa> you compiled it yourself?
 190 2013-09-01 07:39:46 <sipa> it's about a month old
 191 2013-09-01 07:40:40 <sipa> how did you build it?
 192 2013-09-01 07:40:51 <d34th> yea
 193 2013-09-01 07:40:53 <d34th> but the restart fixed it
 194 2013-09-01 07:40:55 <d34th> i used bluematts builds on his jenkins
 195 2013-09-01 07:41:01 <sipa> ic
 196 2013-09-01 07:41:19 <d34th> windows didnt want to let go of the ram after i stopped bitcoin
 197 2013-09-01 07:41:24 <sipa> lol
 198 2013-09-01 07:41:33 <d34th> but now bitcoin is running just fine
 199 2013-09-01 07:42:09 <d34th> sometimes i swear windows needs  more black magic than linux
 200 2013-09-01 07:44:58 <sipa> somestimes?
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 254 2013-09-01 10:21:43 <ahf> is there any documentations on the various CCoin* related types and what they optimize?
 255 2013-09-01 10:22:02 <phantomcircuit> ahf, i dont think there is any beyond the code
 256 2013-09-01 10:22:09 <phantomcircuit> which isn't that extensive really
 257 2013-09-01 10:23:18 <ahf> oki, will just go over the code then
 258 2013-09-01 10:24:08 <sipa> ahf: you can ask me :)
 259 2013-09-01 10:24:37 <ahf> sipa: will do. i will skim over the code for the next days and have a look at what is going on
 260 2013-09-01 10:25:03 <sipa> CCoins is a set of unspent outputs for a given transaction
 261 2013-09-01 10:25:04 <ahf> i am getting to the point now with my erlang project that i need to look at how i should do the various indexes
 262 2013-09-01 10:25:30 <sipa> CCoinsView is a (virtual) map of txid to CCoins
 263 2013-09-01 10:25:35 <sipa> with various implementations
 264 2013-09-01 10:25:44 <sipa> some in-memory only, some stored on disk
 265 2013-09-01 10:26:03 <sipa> and technically nothing relating to CCoins is an index
 266 2013-09-01 10:26:50 <sipa> there is a block index (mapping blockid's to disk positions) and optionally a transaction index (mapping txid's to disk position), but they are independent from the chainstate (=CCoinsView)
 267 2013-09-01 10:27:23 <ahf> ahhh, so there is a mapping from transaction id's to transactions in the block store?
 268 2013-09-01 10:27:32 <sipa> only if you enable it
 269 2013-09-01 10:27:44 <ahf> it's disabled by default?
 270 2013-09-01 10:27:44 <sipa> (-txindex=1, default off)
 271 2013-09-01 10:27:46 <sipa> yes
 272 2013-09-01 10:27:49 <ahf> oki.
 273 2013-09-01 10:27:51 <sipa> you don't need it for verification
 274 2013-09-01 10:27:57 <sipa> only for looking up historical transactions
 275 2013-09-01 10:28:02 <ahf> yup
 276 2013-09-01 10:28:17 <ahf> so you would need it if you run a service where you for some reason want to be able to map transaction id's to the actual transaction.
 277 2013-09-01 10:28:21 <ahf> i see.
 278 2013-09-01 10:28:33 <sipa> you shouldn't need that :p
 279 2013-09-01 10:28:39 <ahf> nope, i wont.
 280 2013-09-01 10:28:44 <sipa> but yes, many people implement things in a way that they do
 281 2013-09-01 10:28:49 <sipa> but it is very useful for debugging
 282 2013-09-01 10:28:56 <ahf> the only mapping i have implemented so far is block id -> block in a leveldb database
 283 2013-09-01 10:29:08 <sipa> you store the entire block in leveldb?
 284 2013-09-01 10:29:13 <sipa> or just the position on disk?
 285 2013-09-01 10:29:35 <ahf> worse than that. i store an erlang serialized block term in leveldb as the value
 286 2013-09-01 10:29:44 <sipa> ah :)
 287 2013-09-01 10:30:26 <ahf> so the satoshi client just stores the position on disk of the block as a value and have its own format for the actual blocks?
 288 2013-09-01 10:30:44 <sipa> it saves the block in network format on disk
 289 2013-09-01 10:31:02 <sipa> as it's immutable data, you don't need it in a high-performance database
 290 2013-09-01 10:31:29 <ahf> makes sense, yeah
 291 2013-09-01 10:31:33 <sipa> also, you only need blocks when reorganizing, rescanning, or serving to other nodes
 292 2013-09-01 10:31:40 <sipa> for everything else, you just need the chainstate
 293 2013-09-01 10:31:57 <sipa> (chainstate = set of unspent transaction output + current block id)
 294 2013-09-01 10:32:04 <ahf> yeah, so in the end you end up using the chainstate for all your operationrs
 295 2013-09-01 10:32:07 <ahf> cool
 296 2013-09-01 10:32:29 <ahf> so chain state also contains information on the current block id and its height and such?
 297 2013-09-01 10:32:30 <sipa> and/or the mempool, which implements sort of a "diff" on top of the chainstate
 298 2013-09-01 10:32:39 <sipa> no, that's the block index
 299 2013-09-01 10:32:54 <sipa> that's an in-memory tree structure with all known block headers
 300 2013-09-01 10:33:05 <sipa> and some metadata like amount of work, height, number of transactions, ...
 301 2013-09-01 10:33:22 <ahf> ah jep, there are multiple class implementations in the txdb.cpp file :o
 302 2013-09-01 10:33:29 <ahf> too used to webkit where it's one class per file :o
 303 2013-09-01 10:33:43 <sipa> please don't get a heart attack from main.cpp
 304 2013-09-01 10:33:50 <ahf> already seen that :o
 305 2013-09-01 10:34:04 <ahf> also all the extern's in the headers. took me some time to realize that was how things worked
 306 2013-09-01 10:34:20 <phantomcircuit> "worked"
 307 2013-09-01 10:34:26 <sipa> anyway, CBlockIndex impleents the block index
 308 2013-09-01 10:34:28 <ahf> ok, cool, thanks a lot sipa - that will help me do my little baby
 309 2013-09-01 10:34:38 <sipa> defined in main.h, there are some comments explaining it
 310 2013-09-01 10:34:40 <ahf> hope to open source it on github as soon as i have this code ready
 311 2013-09-01 10:34:45 <ahf> yup
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 315 2013-09-01 10:43:52 <gmaxwell> ahf: I hope you will not announce a public implementation as usable for other people until it at least passes the bitcoin blocktester tests.
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 321 2013-09-01 10:49:40 <ahf> gmaxwell: no, that is not open source because i am tired of all the announcement of clients that doesn't even do any kind of block validation or anything that even looks like it
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 323 2013-09-01 10:50:34 <ahf> gmaxwell: i have not heard of the blocktester tests though. care to elaborate on that?
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 326 2013-09-01 10:53:46 <gmaxwell> ahf: it's distributed with Bitcoinj, you run your node in regtest mode and it pretends to be a peer and simulates the network moving through all sorts of valid and invalid block sequences, forks and reorgs, etc. Obviously it cannot be exhaustive, but it tests a lot and embodies most of the community knoweldge about the fine boundary conditions of the distributed algorithims rules.
 327 2013-09-01 10:54:05 <gmaxwell> (Obviously testing syncing the blockchain and testnet blockchain is insufficient: they only contain valid blocks)
 328 2013-09-01 10:54:09 <ahf> oh, cool. i hadn't seen that. i will take a look at that.
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 342 2013-09-01 11:11:41 <ahf> gmaxwell: are there any other test suites that is publically available, then i would be very much interested in hearing about them :-)
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 349 2013-09-01 11:32:45 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: Where is the pulltester?
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 351 2013-09-01 11:33:19 <sipa> say not that he has falled
 352 2013-09-01 11:34:14 <phantomcircuit> rofl
 353 2013-09-01 11:35:17 <phantomcircuit> sipa, is there a (good) reason for CWallet and CWalletDB being separate classes?
 354 2013-09-01 11:36:06 <phantomcircuit> i guess theoretically it will be easier to change the disk format
 355 2013-09-01 11:37:31 <sipa> they're interwoven in weird ways anyway
 356 2013-09-01 11:37:44 <sipa> but they should be separate, imho
 357 2013-09-01 11:38:07 <phantomcircuit> yeah looking at this all it seems like overall things are much weirder than they would be if just combined
 358 2013-09-01 11:38:20 <sipa> though the whole cdb interface is weird; it should be a single object
 359 2013-09-01 11:38:34 <phantomcircuit> sipa, i was thinking combine them and then separate them might be easier than trying to isolate them properly all in one go
 360 2013-09-01 11:38:38 <phantomcircuit> which i know seems insane...
 361 2013-09-01 11:38:40 <sipa> not a proxy that is recreated over and over again
 362 2013-09-01 11:38:53 <sipa> meh, i'd only do that when dropping bdb
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 364 2013-09-01 11:39:55 <phantomcircuit> sipa, even after bdb is dropped some amount of backwards compatible upgrade mechanism will need to be there
 365 2013-09-01 11:40:07 <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: yes, an external BDB importer tool. :P
 366 2013-09-01 11:40:07 <phantomcircuit> which will require a proper isolation of CWalletDB
 367 2013-09-01 11:40:23 <gmaxwell> "get that crap out of our binary"
 368 2013-09-01 11:40:25 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, there's just too many people with backups in bdb
 369 2013-09-01 11:40:49 <phantomcircuit> the logic to convert from bdb -> something else would be 1000x simpler than actually using it
 370 2013-09-01 11:40:52 <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: yes? so?  you have a wallet.dat_to_wallet.new.exe
 371 2013-09-01 11:40:57 <phantomcircuit> since you can dump all of the cache flushing stuff
 372 2013-09-01 11:41:32 <phantomcircuit> i cant really tell, is any of the bdb transaction stuff being used by the wallet?
 373 2013-09-01 11:41:41 <phantomcircuit> or is it really just being used as a key/value store
 374 2013-09-01 11:41:49 <gmaxwell> Considering that compatiblity (and perhaps licensing, now) has stranded us on older bdb version that will eventually become hard to build, isolating it makes sense.
 375 2013-09-01 11:42:46 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, if the CWalletDB interface was made into a proper interface i suspect you could build a read only implementation for bdb more or less just with the code in ReadKeyValue
 376 2013-09-01 11:43:28 <phantomcircuit> which hilariously isn't even part of CWalletDB
 377 2013-09-01 11:43:30 <phantomcircuit> :)
 378 2013-09-01 11:43:52 <phantomcircuit> dat global function
 379 2013-09-01 11:45:31 <phantomcircuit> but still i ask
 380 2013-09-01 11:45:54 <phantomcircuit> is bdb being used purely as a key/value store without transactions
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 382 2013-09-01 11:46:00 <sipa> phantomcircuit: some things need to change if we go to an append-only format
 383 2013-09-01 11:46:02 <phantomcircuit> or is the bdb transactions stuff being used at all
 384 2013-09-01 11:46:05 <sipa> in the serialization
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 386 2013-09-01 11:46:12 <sipa> so in any case, you need a conversion tool
 387 2013-09-01 11:46:14 <phantomcircuit> sipa, why?
 388 2013-09-01 11:46:32 <sipa> vfSpent for example is continuously changed
 389 2013-09-01 11:46:38 <sipa> and is part of CWalletTx objects
 390 2013-09-01 11:46:48 <sipa> so that would mean N copies of every transaction
 391 2013-09-01 11:46:52 <phantomcircuit> ah
 392 2013-09-01 11:46:55 <phantomcircuit> yeah i see
 393 2013-09-01 11:47:03 <sipa> which is quite ridiculous, as that can just be inferred from the other transactions
 394 2013-09-01 11:47:24 <phantomcircuit> not to mention is kind of dangerous
 395 2013-09-01 11:47:36 <sipa> and it's a good time to go over all deprecated stuff that nobody uses anymore and make things more sane
 396 2013-09-01 11:47:53 <phantomcircuit> being 100% sure you update things like that in every case they could change is hard
 397 2013-09-01 11:48:09 <sipa> so i'd vote for a conversion tool (initially, some standalone class in the bitcoin source code, and afterwards a separate binary)
 398 2013-09-01 11:48:20 <sipa> rather than trying to make the old and new system expose a compatible API
 399 2013-09-01 11:49:00 <phantomcircuit> sipa, i wasn't really thinking an API compatible with old code but rather with old wallets
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 401 2013-09-01 11:49:30 <phantomcircuit> which is especially easier if we're deprecating things like vfSpent instead of adding new fields
 402 2013-09-01 11:49:45 <sipa> that's what i mean
 403 2013-09-01 11:49:57 <phantomcircuit> k we're on the same page then
 404 2013-09-01 11:50:21 <sipa> if we go to an append-only format, we have a chance to get a sane CWalletDB-like interface
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 406 2013-09-01 11:50:31 <sipa> that can replace the BDB one
 407 2013-09-01 11:50:40 <sipa> but it'll have a very different interface than now
 408 2013-09-01 11:50:58 <sipa> and i wouldn't bother trying to retrofit the BDB code into that new interface
 409 2013-09-01 11:51:22 <sipa> as all you need is something that iterates of the database once, and converts entry per entry to the new format
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 411 2013-09-01 11:51:51 <phantomcircuit> that's reasonable
 412 2013-09-01 11:52:23 <sipa> there's a huge amount of code for dealing with all kinds of BDB stuff that we don't use anymore
 413 2013-09-01 11:52:37 <sipa> that can all go, if it's just iterating over a few fields
 414 2013-09-01 11:52:58 <gmaxwell> heck, it can perhaps half look like a recovery tool, also sniffing through the file picking up any keys it can find. (it still has to recover the structured data, but if there are keys it should just take them)
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 416 2013-09-01 11:53:15 <phantomcircuit> sipa, it seems like a log format wallet could simply be keys and transactions without any metadata at all
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 419 2013-09-01 11:53:31 <sipa> phantomcircuit: there's more in wallets than that
 420 2013-09-01 11:53:34 <sipa> like addresses
 421 2013-09-01 11:53:42 <sipa> or the best block seen
 422 2013-09-01 11:53:45 <ahmedbodi> hey guys
 423 2013-09-01 11:53:56 <phantomcircuit> all of the metadata (except nTimeReceived) can be reconstructed when the wallet is loaded
 424 2013-09-01 11:53:57 <sipa> and keypool entries
 425 2013-09-01 11:54:11 <phantomcircuit> sipa, i was assuming keys/addresses could be linked in the record
 426 2013-09-01 11:54:18 <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: no it can't be. You going to "reconstruct" my comments?
 427 2013-09-01 11:54:20 <sipa> addresses are not just your own
 428 2013-09-01 11:54:27 <sipa> and indeed, comments
 429 2013-09-01 11:54:37 <sipa> and with the payment protocol, saved acks
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 431 2013-09-01 11:54:51 <sipa> (not sure if we're actually storing them already, but we should)
 432 2013-09-01 11:54:54 <ahmedbodi> is Luke-Jr here?
 433 2013-09-01 11:54:58 <gmaxwell> Esp address lists with e.g. third party extended public keys and indexes...
 434 2013-09-01 11:55:05 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, also fromaccount for the accounts things
 435 2013-09-01 11:55:07 <phantomcircuit> hmm
 436 2013-09-01 11:55:12 <sipa> and bip32 will only complicate things
 437 2013-09-01 11:55:30 <phantomcircuit> sipa, i completely forget about the address book
 438 2013-09-01 11:55:44 <phantomcircuit> that should probably be a separate database though
 439 2013-09-01 11:55:49 <sipa> maybe
 440 2013-09-01 11:56:01 <gmaxwell> sipa: I was only half hidding about cramming in a really basic determinstic key generation in the current structure, just to end the backup bleeding.
 441 2013-09-01 11:56:20 <sipa> but comments, keypool stuff, from/to accounts, payment acks, ... belong in the wallet
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 443 2013-09-01 11:56:43 <sipa> and p2sh stuff
 444 2013-09-01 11:56:45 <phantomcircuit> im not even sure where comments are being serialized
 445 2013-09-01 11:56:51 <phantomcircuit> doesn't seem to be CWalletTx
 446 2013-09-01 11:56:54 <sipa> it is
 447 2013-09-01 11:57:00 <phantomcircuit> is it in mapValue?
 448 2013-09-01 11:57:04 <sipa> there's a key-value map with extra stuff
 449 2013-09-01 11:57:08 <sipa> yeah, i suppose
 450 2013-09-01 11:58:04 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, tbh i still dont think stuff like that belongs in the same db as keys
 451 2013-09-01 11:58:26 <phantomcircuit> it would be a real shame for a bug in comment/accounts handling to break importing someones private key
 452 2013-09-01 11:58:52 <sipa> unsure
 453 2013-09-01 11:58:54 <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: break importing? hum?
 454 2013-09-01 11:59:04 <gmaxwell> well if they're seperated you'll get users backing up the wrong one.
 455 2013-09-01 11:59:11 <sipa> and inconsistencies
 456 2013-09-01 11:59:22 <gmaxwell> yep... exposing awesome untestable software bugs.
 457 2013-09-01 12:00:03 <phantomcircuit> i'd rather have comments very rarely disappear and simplify the keystorage
 458 2013-09-01 12:00:14 <phantomcircuit> but that's possibly going over the top
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 460 2013-09-01 12:01:24 <sipa> i really like the idea of an append-only log-structured checksummed key-value store
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 462 2013-09-01 12:02:14 <gmaxwell> I do too. And it couples well with determinstic wallets as the encrypted master key can be up at the top and redundantly coded out the ying yang.. so that corruption is really unlikely to damage it.
 463 2013-09-01 12:02:20 <sipa> consisting of a bunch of blocks, each with a cryptographic checksum and a timestamp, containing a list update and erase records
 464 2013-09-01 12:02:21 <phantomcircuit> sipa, one thing you need to decide on up front is whether you want to try and put keys into 512byte blocks
 465 2013-09-01 12:02:55 <phantomcircuit> since doing that and always writing to sector boundaries effectively guarantees an atomic write
 466 2013-09-01 12:03:09 <phantomcircuit> where append -> flush can result in partial records
 467 2013-09-01 12:03:13 <sipa> the nice thing with append-only records is that you never overwrite valid data
 468 2013-09-01 12:03:28 <phantomcircuit> sipa, hehe theoretically :)
 469 2013-09-01 12:03:36 <phantomcircuit> hdd manufacturers disagree
 470 2013-09-01 12:03:47 <sipa> so even if your writes aren't sector-aligned, at worst you end up with some garbage at the end or a truncated last record
 471 2013-09-01 12:03:49 <gmaxwell> Personally I'd rather make the master key span 256kbytes, so that even a flying erase block won't generally kill it. :P But I'm nuts.
 472 2013-09-01 12:03:53 <ahmedbodi>  is anyone here good with eloipool setup's?
 473 2013-09-01 12:04:16 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, that actually makes a lot of sense
 474 2013-09-01 12:04:51 <phantomcircuit> write anything super important multiple times possibly over a period of time (so that file system fragmentation might place it in multiple places)
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 476 2013-09-01 12:05:10 <sipa> oh, write everything to wallet.dat and wallet.dat.bak :)
 477 2013-09-01 12:05:15 <sipa> with a sync in between
 478 2013-09-01 12:05:16 <phantomcircuit> lol
 479 2013-09-01 12:05:22 <sipa> i'm not kidding
 480 2013-09-01 12:05:35 <gmaxwell> I actually put erasure code support support for a master key in a wallet earlier today, though for a totally different reason.
 481 2013-09-01 12:05:43 <phantomcircuit> for the record
 482 2013-09-01 12:06:24 <phantomcircuit> the CLOB code i've been working on uses a journal with variable length entries not aligned to sectors and a buffered output stream object with occasional flushing
 483 2013-09-01 12:06:42 <phantomcircuit> and even after running for several weeks straight i've not had any loss of data
 484 2013-09-01 12:06:48 <phantomcircuit> or partial weird writes
 485 2013-09-01 12:06:53 <gmaxwell> sipa: encode the master key with a rateless erasure code and write another word of it between every record. :P  "Just grab any 50kbytes of your wallet"
 486 2013-09-01 12:06:57 <phantomcircuit> so i suspect that to be hilariously exceptionally rare
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 491 2013-09-01 12:10:03 <phantomcircuit> fromaccount/spent/n/timesmart (???)/version/comment/to are the values possibly encoded in mapValue
 492 2013-09-01 12:10:13 <phantomcircuit> although it appears version never really is
 493 2013-09-01 12:10:20 <sipa> what is 'n' ?
 494 2013-09-01 12:10:47 <phantomcircuit> nOrderPos
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 496 2013-09-01 12:10:55 <phantomcircuit>     int64 nOrderPos;  // position in ordered transaction list
 497 2013-09-01 12:11:11 <phantomcircuit> looks like it's for accounting entries?
 498 2013-09-01 12:11:17 <phantomcircuit> maybe im confusing things
 499 2013-09-01 12:11:34 <gmaxwell> it's from the smarttime stuff, it makes listtransaction's ordering determinstic.
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 513 2013-09-01 12:27:58 <ahmedbodi> anyone?
 514 2013-09-01 12:28:23 <sipa> ahmedbodi: Luke-Jr
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 516 2013-09-01 12:29:07 <sipa> gmaxwell: that correlation between "the debian corruption" and parallel sigchecking is remarkable...
 517 2013-09-01 12:29:08 <ahmedbodi> Luke-Jr: how could i solve a http 401 error on bitcoind? i've triple checked all my configs and they all seem okay
 518 2013-09-01 12:30:01 <sipa> ahmedbodi: it means you didn't send username/password with the RPC
 519 2013-09-01 12:30:11 <sipa> assuming it's bitcoind's RPC serving giving you that
 520 2013-09-01 12:30:26 <ahmedbodi> sipa: i've set them in the eloipool config
 521 2013-09-01 12:30:50 <sipa> i can't help you with eloipool
 522 2013-09-01 12:31:57 <ahmedbodi> its okay no worries
 523 2013-09-01 12:32:21 <ahmedbodi> i like eloipool but it can be a pain to configure in comparison to stratum+pushpool
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 526 2013-09-01 12:42:20 <_dr> is the previous tx reference in the input of a coinbase required to be 0?
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 530 2013-09-01 12:48:32 <phantomcircuit> sipa, gmaxwell https://github.com/pstratem/bitcoin/commit/5f59aa54752cec8117c55a019e0601e38099cfa3
 531 2013-09-01 12:48:33 <_dr> the wiki says "the first input of the first transaction is also called "coinbase" (its content was ignored in earlier versions)", yet here i have the blockparser checking previous tx for zero to determine whether a coinbase or not. seems broken
 532 2013-09-01 12:48:52 <phantomcircuit> so aside from the lack of code reuse that's eliminates vtxPrev
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 535 2013-09-01 12:50:59 <phantomcircuit> std::vector<uint256> ListUnconfirmedSupportingTransactions();
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 537 2013-09-01 12:50:59 <phantomcircuit> heh
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 540 2013-09-01 12:52:50 <sipa> _dr: a coinbase has zero as prevtx, and is the only input of the first transaction of a block
 541 2013-09-01 12:53:01 <sipa> any other input cannot have zero as prevtx
 542 2013-09-01 12:53:18 <sipa> so both are sufficient criteria
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 547 2013-09-01 13:01:06 <sipa> anyone has a (testnet) blocks directory with many reorganizations?
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 549 2013-09-01 13:03:15 <_dr> sipa: thanks. i was confused by the wiki saying "content was ignored in earlier versions"
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 551 2013-09-01 13:03:44 <sipa> _dr: the scriptsig content of coinbase transactions used to be ignored
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 553 2013-09-01 13:04:19 <_dr> makes sense
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 555 2013-09-01 13:07:03 <ahmedbodi> hey guys
 556 2013-09-01 13:07:16 <ahmedbodi> no Luke-Jr yet
 557 2013-09-01 13:07:23 <sipa> patience
 558 2013-09-01 13:07:40 <sipa> also, he is not your personal helpdesk
 559 2013-09-01 13:08:08 <ahmedbodi> yeah just a quick question, he might have replied during the few mins while i went offline cause my laptop battery died
 560 2013-09-01 13:08:30 <ahmedbodi> better me finding out if i missed him than waiting for hours realising he already replied
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 582 2013-09-01 13:53:24 <Luke-Jr> ahmedbodi: it's a bug in jgarzik_'s python-bitcoinrpc that he's taking forever to fix; find an older version that works
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 584 2013-09-01 13:54:02 <ahmedbodi> i see, i think i've solved but i get 1 more error, its quite long so should i pm it instead?
 585 2013-09-01 13:55:00 <ahmedbodi> Luke-Jr: its something to do with requests, perhaps block submissions?
 586 2013-09-01 13:55:53 <Luke-Jr> ahmedbodi: it produces a malformed Authorization header
 587 2013-09-01 13:56:11 <ahmedbodi> yeah it required me to change authproxy py by appending .decode()
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 589 2013-09-01 13:58:15 <ahmedbodi> pm'd you my last error
 590 2013-09-01 13:58:27 <Luke-Jr> ahmedbodi: hmm, I don't think I've seen that one before
 591 2013-09-01 13:58:47 <ahmedbodi> me neither, no sign of it on the web either
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 593 2013-09-01 14:09:13 <phantomcircuit> why are functions like bool CWalletTx::AcceptWalletTransaction() in main.cpp?
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 595 2013-09-01 14:10:34 <sipa> good question!
 596 2013-09-01 14:10:58 <phantomcircuit> sipa, can i move them to wallet.cpp ?
 597 2013-09-01 14:11:21 <phantomcircuit> i see no reason not to
 598 2013-09-01 14:11:22 <sipa> i think with vtxPrev gone, you can just remove them
 599 2013-09-01 14:11:51 <phantomcircuit> sipa, nope you still want to try and load chained unconfirmed transactions which are IsMine/IsFromMe
 600 2013-09-01 14:12:06 <phantomcircuit> specifically if you spend an unconfirmed change output
 601 2013-09-01 14:12:28 <phantomcircuit> otherwise they'll never get into the mempool properly
 602 2013-09-01 14:12:29 <sipa> unconfirmed transaction which are IsMine/IsFromMe will be in the wallet
 603 2013-09-01 14:12:48 <sipa> no?
 604 2013-09-01 14:12:49 <phantomcircuit> sipa, yeah but the order in which they're loaded into the mempool matters
 605 2013-09-01 14:12:59 <sipa> right
 606 2013-09-01 14:13:03 <phantomcircuit> see https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2966
 607 2013-09-01 14:13:24 <sipa> just move it to wallet then, indeed
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 610 2013-09-01 14:13:58 <phantomcircuit> sipa, probably i need a new pull request for this?
 611 2013-09-01 14:14:05 <phantomcircuit> (beyond just the one function)
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 613 2013-09-01 14:14:36 <sipa> a separate commit is good enough, i guess
 614 2013-09-01 14:14:55 * phantomcircuit changes pull request title to "fix all the wallet things"
 615 2013-09-01 14:16:34 <phantomcircuit> done
 616 2013-09-01 14:17:03 <phantomcircuit> i think that's all the itches i wanted to scratch
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 641 2013-09-01 15:02:39 <phantomcircuit> Luke-Jr, what sort of bitcoin mining power would you expect from an nvidia 780M
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 643 2013-09-01 15:04:50 <Graet> gtx? ~ 120mh https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison
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 645 2013-09-01 15:05:58 <phantomcircuit> Graet, iirc it has double the stream processors of a GTX680
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 648 2013-09-01 15:06:39 <phantomcircuit> this is some weirdness optimus graphics stack
 649 2013-09-01 15:06:47 <phantomcircuit> i think im mining on the intel gpu
 650 2013-09-01 15:06:53 <phantomcircuit> which is slower than a cpu core
 651 2013-09-01 15:07:15 <Diablo-D3> ... but why are you mining at all
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 653 2013-09-01 15:08:18 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, i accidentally the fee on testnet transactions and would prefer to not wait an eternity to cpu mine 1 block
 654 2013-09-01 15:08:44 <Graet> ahh ~200-240then
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 656 2013-09-01 15:08:47 <phantomcircuit> 2013-09-01 14:54:32 ERROR: CTxMemPool::accept() : not enough fees 45ca0899594486a66ccf9b0565ea9cbce14032e88a264c918d2bd8eefaf33aca, 500000 < 1830000
 657 2013-09-01 15:08:49 <phantomcircuit> SO CLOSE
 658 2013-09-01 15:12:34 <phantomcircuit> yeah
 659 2013-09-01 15:12:40 <phantomcircuit> 1340 khash/s
 660 2013-09-01 15:13:14 <sipa> your cpu surely can do more
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 662 2013-09-01 15:13:21 <phantomcircuit> sipa, it can
 663 2013-09-01 15:13:26 <phantomcircuit> nuisance
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 668 2013-09-01 15:24:12 <phantomcircuit> sipa, 31.2 mh/s in cpu mining powah
 669 2013-09-01 15:24:26 <Diablo-D3> lol.
 670 2013-09-01 15:24:43 <phantomcircuit> Diablo-D3, keep your panties on
 671 2013-09-01 15:25:02 <Diablo-D3> bitch, please
 672 2013-09-01 15:25:02 <phantomcircuit> testnet difficulty is currently 1
 673 2013-09-01 15:25:08 <Diablo-D3> who says Im wearing clothes at all
 674 2013-09-01 15:25:16 <phantomcircuit> so hopefully this doesn't take too long
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 676 2013-09-01 15:27:34 <sipa> phantomcircuit: 12 seconds :p
 677 2013-09-01 15:27:49 <phantomcircuit> sipa, my luck isn't nearly that good
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 679 2013-09-01 15:29:52 <sipa> also, i think testnet doffoculty is much higher
 680 2013-09-01 15:30:08 <sipa> but there's the 20-minutes difficulty-1 block rule
 681 2013-09-01 15:30:25 <ahmedbodi> Luke-Jr: is there a sql structure for eloipool?
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 688 2013-09-01 15:37:44 <phantomcircuit> ahahaha
 689 2013-09-01 15:37:50 <phantomcircuit> mined my ridiculous transactions
 690 2013-09-01 15:37:51 <phantomcircuit> horray
 691 2013-09-01 15:38:35 <phantomcircuit> wat
 692 2013-09-01 15:38:40 <phantomcircuit> they're still in the mempool
 693 2013-09-01 15:38:45 <phantomcircuit> even though i mined a block
 694 2013-09-01 15:38:47 <phantomcircuit> >.>
 695 2013-09-01 15:38:48 <phantomcircuit> <.<
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 699 2013-09-01 15:41:32 <sipa> haha
 700 2013-09-01 15:42:07 <phantomcircuit> sipa, also there's more potential deadlocks with relaying transactions
 701 2013-09-01 15:42:28 <phantomcircuit> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=KwGtPs7e
 702 2013-09-01 15:42:42 <phantomcircuit> doesn't seem to actually deadlock though
 703 2013-09-01 15:43:51 <phantomcircuit> sipa, yeah it's not including it's own transactions in the block
 704 2013-09-01 15:43:56 <phantomcircuit> that's dumb especially for testnet
 705 2013-09-01 15:47:00 <ahmedbodi> do any o u guys have an idea why eloipool gives me this error
 706 2013-09-01 15:47:01 <ahmedbodi> unsupported operand type(s) for %: 'bytes' and 'tuple'
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 708 2013-09-01 15:48:43 <phantomcircuit> sipa, huh interesting, it appears that the CreateNewBlock code will refuse to put transaction dependent on each other into a block
 709 2013-09-01 15:49:22 * phantomcircuit patches CreateNewBlock to include the entire mempool
 710 2013-09-01 15:51:17 <michagogo> In the past I've noticed chains of dependent transactions confirming 2 per block when mining against bitcoind
 711 2013-09-01 15:51:25 <sipa> phantomcircuit: ??
 712 2013-09-01 15:51:47 <sipa> it should definitely include dependencies when possible
 713 2013-09-01 15:51:54 <phantomcircuit> sipa, something about porphan vOrphan or something is causing this to not mine them
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 715 2013-09-01 15:52:37 <sipa> did you have a fee?
 716 2013-09-01 15:52:44 <phantomcircuit> yeah but not a very large one
 717 2013-09-01 15:53:36 <sipa> hmm
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 719 2013-09-01 15:54:11 <phantomcircuit> sipa, let me throw a bunch of printfs in here....
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 722 2013-09-01 15:57:32 <phantomcircuit> nBlockSize + nTxSize >= nBlockMaxSize
 723 2013-09-01 15:57:36 <phantomcircuit> thars yur problem
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 728 2013-09-01 15:59:26 <sipa> eh?
 729 2013-09-01 15:59:53 <phantomcircuit> sipa, transactions are huge and going above max block size
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 731 2013-09-01 16:00:02 <phantomcircuit> forget about free space
 732 2013-09-01 16:01:01 <michagogo> That doesn't sound like it would explain why, in a chain of testnet transactions that depended on each other, exactly 2 transactions were confirming each block
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 734 2013-09-01 16:01:14 <michagogo> (when mining with bfgminer against bitcoind)
 735 2013-09-01 16:01:17 <phantomcircuit> there we go
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 737 2013-09-01 16:01:32 <phantomcircuit> michagogo, im guessing weirdness with specific rules
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 739 2013-09-01 16:01:42 <Luke-Jr> phantomcircuit: 0 Gh/s
 740 2013-09-01 16:01:42 <phantomcircuit> i literally just changed it to include everything in the mempool
 741 2013-09-01 16:01:42 <michagogo_> .....this again?
 742 2013-09-01 16:01:46 <michagogo_> brb
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 746 2013-09-01 16:02:14 <phantomcircuit> Luke-Jr, im just trying to mine a testnet block with my insane transactions in it
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 748 2013-09-01 16:02:34 <Luke-Jr> phantomcircuit: ;)
 749 2013-09-01 16:02:37 <phantomcircuit> someone should send me an asic so i can break things er... fix things faster
 750 2013-09-01 16:03:01 <sipa> i can point 10 GH/s at you for a short term if needed :)
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 752 2013-09-01 16:03:29 <sipa> i'm sure other have more :p
 753 2013-09-01 16:03:32 <sipa> others
 754 2013-09-01 16:03:41 <phantomcircuit> this just went back to diff = 1
 755 2013-09-01 16:03:45 <phantomcircuit> so maybe not necessary
 756 2013-09-01 16:04:03 <phantomcircuit> ;;calc 8*1.8
 757 2013-09-01 16:04:03 <gribble> 14.4
 758 2013-09-01 16:04:08 <phantomcircuit> with my 14 mh/s
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 761 2013-09-01 16:05:35 <Luke-Jr> phantomcircuit: about 15 min then
 762 2013-09-01 16:05:40 <Luke-Jr> assuming nobody else finds a blocok first
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 764 2013-09-01 16:06:19 <phantomcircuit> copying to a server as we speak
 765 2013-09-01 16:06:20 <phantomcircuit> lol
 766 2013-09-01 16:06:38 <michagogo_> I can give you blocks -- just pastebin (or PM if short enough) raw transactions
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 768 2013-09-01 16:06:55 <michagogo> (I have bitcoind in a VM with the clock 20 mins ahead)
 769 2013-09-01 16:07:15 <phantomcircuit> need blocks that another peer will accept
 770 2013-09-01 16:07:19 <michagogo> So?
 771 2013-09-01 16:07:28 <michagogo> Blocks are valid up to 2 hours into the future
 772 2013-09-01 16:07:39 <phantomcircuit> michagogo, the difficulty is still 1
 773 2013-09-01 16:07:47 <michagogo> My setup works, it just doesn't work for >6 blocks in a row
 774 2013-09-01 16:07:52 <phantomcircuit> no need for shenanigans
 775 2013-09-01 16:07:57 <michagogo> phantomcircuit: Oh, really?
 776 2013-09-01 16:08:11 <phantomcircuit> it was a second ago
 777 2013-09-01 16:08:23 <phantomcircuit> maybe i broke something
 778 2013-09-01 16:08:23 <michagogo> getblocktemplate
 779 2013-09-01 16:08:25 <michagogo> Erm
 780 2013-09-01 16:08:28 <michagogo> Wrong window,
 781 2013-09-01 16:08:29 <phantomcircuit> but it would be exactly the same way
 782 2013-09-01 16:08:31 <michagogo> window.*
 783 2013-09-01 16:08:31 <phantomcircuit> so whatever
 784 2013-09-01 16:08:38 <michagogo> No, difficulty isn't 0
 785 2013-09-01 16:08:43 <michagogo> target is 0000000000a1e700000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
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 787 2013-09-01 16:09:01 <michagogo> The number that it displays as "difficulty" is actually the difficulty of the last mined block
 788 2013-09-01 16:09:04 <phantomcircuit> michagogo, difficulty is 1
 789 2013-09-01 16:09:08 <phantomcircuit> oh is it?
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 791 2013-09-01 16:09:10 <michagogo> It is.
 792 2013-09-01 16:09:15 <michagogo> I learned that the hard wat
 793 2013-09-01 16:09:17 <michagogo> way*
 794 2013-09-01 16:09:41 <michagogo> If difficulty is 1, getblocktemplate returns a target of 00000000ffff0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
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 796 2013-09-01 16:10:18 <michagogo> phantomcircuit: If you give me the tx I can mine it for you
 797 2013-09-01 16:11:27 <phantomcircuit> michagogo, im not even sure how to get them since getrawtransactions doesn't check the wallet lol
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 799 2013-09-01 16:11:45 <michagogo> "getrawtransactions doesn't check the wallet"?
 800 2013-09-01 16:12:42 <sipa> it doesn't
 801 2013-09-01 16:12:49 <sipa> but it does check the mempool
 802 2013-09-01 16:13:00 <sipa> and unconfirmed wallet tramsactions should be in the mempool
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 807 2013-09-01 16:15:07 <michagogo> phantomcircuit: Does getrawtransaction not find it?
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 813 2013-09-01 16:16:45 <michagogo> (or, what's the txid? I may already have it)
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 816 2013-09-01 16:17:26 <sipa> unlikely to be relayed, i assume
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 818 2013-09-01 16:17:57 <phantomcircuit> comically unlikely
 819 2013-09-01 16:18:07 <phantomcircuit> my 5 transactions combined are ~900KB
 820 2013-09-01 16:18:26 <michagogo> Pastebin em?
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 830 2013-09-01 16:22:50 <sipa> how much do we expect the hashrate to go up in the next two weeks?
 831 2013-09-01 16:23:02 <sipa> (need to adjust some graphs...)
 832 2013-09-01 16:23:04 <phantomcircuit> http://pastebin.com/waZ4Fex6 http://pastebin.com/AqRHqdSC http://pastebin.com/3cjTgCdh http://pastebin.com/Y4DUgqqh http://pastebin.com/sPZEGNR3
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 834 2013-09-01 16:23:26 <phantomcircuit> sipa, can you really point some ridiculous amount of hash power at this server for a minute
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 836 2013-09-01 16:24:37 <gatz> y0
 837 2013-09-01 16:24:40 <gatz> who owns gribble?
 838 2013-09-01 16:25:06 <gatz> I just want him at one channel
 839 2013-09-01 16:25:07 <michagogo> I'll start my miner
 840 2013-09-01 16:25:16 * michagogo waits for the paste to finish
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 843 2013-09-01 16:25:53 <phantomcircuit> michagogo, you didn't try to paste that into a bash session did you?
 844 2013-09-01 16:25:59 <michagogo> I am.
 845 2013-09-01 16:26:07 <phantomcircuit> there's some horrible performance there for very long words
 846 2013-09-01 16:26:17 <michagogo> The text is still scrolling by
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 849 2013-09-01 16:26:33 <TheLordOfTime> gatz:  nanotube owns gribble.  i'm not sure how freely he has gribble join channels
 850 2013-09-01 16:27:00 <michagogo> phantomcircuit: It's coming it at about 2 lines per second
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 852 2013-09-01 16:27:55 <gatz> TheLordOfTime: he also owns this bitcoin one? Yes runs one for sourceforge o_O
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 854 2013-09-01 16:28:22 <TheLordOfTime> gatz:  your question makes no sense... or maybe i need coffee...
 855 2013-09-01 16:28:30 <TheLordOfTime> gatz:  you are asking about gribble the bot which is opped here right?
 856 2013-09-01 16:28:31 <michagogo> Hmm
 857 2013-09-01 16:28:41 <gatz> TheLordOfTime: yes.
 858 2013-09-01 16:28:47 <michagogo> Pasting into the bitcoin-qt console after decoderawtransaction returns this:
 859 2013-09-01 16:28:47 <michagogo> TX decode failed (code -22)
 860 2013-09-01 16:28:51 <phantomcircuit> michagogo, forget about it
 861 2013-09-01 16:28:56 <gatz> there is also gribble for sourceforge things, non-bitcoin one o_O
 862 2013-09-01 16:29:07 <phantomcircuit> sipa pointed some massive amount of hashing power at it for me
 863 2013-09-01 16:29:10 <michagogo> Ah
 864 2013-09-01 16:29:18 <sipa> "massive"
 865 2013-09-01 16:29:30 * michagogo just heard a new block come in
 866 2013-09-01 16:29:40 <sipa> i mean, ArtForz had more than this 2 years ago :p
 867 2013-09-01 16:29:52 <TheLordOfTime> gatz:  gribble is a fork of supybot, the bitcoin commands and plugins are extra plugins he wrote.  At least, as far as I understand all this, it's a fork of supybot.  I could check on that but no idea when nanotube will wake up
 868 2013-09-01 16:30:13 <gatz> TheLordOfTime: yes, thanks, I have this already http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/gribble/index.php?title=Main_Page
 869 2013-09-01 16:30:14 <TheLordOfTime> gatz:  if you just want the gribble bot that is here to join wait for nanotube, if you just want a similar bot iwthout bitcoin functions anyone can spin up a supybot or a supybot fork.
 870 2013-09-01 16:30:16 <gatz> :)
 871 2013-09-01 16:30:20 <gatz> I just queried him
 872 2013-09-01 16:30:29 <gatz> thanks! :)
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 876 2013-09-01 16:31:44 <michagogo_> ...wth
 877 2013-09-01 16:31:46 <michagogo_> I thought I fixed that
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 881 2013-09-01 16:31:52 <Graet> gatz #gribble
 882 2013-09-01 16:34:19 <TheLordOfTime> Graet:  too slow :P
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 884 2013-09-01 16:35:46 <Graet> oh well
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 891 2013-09-01 16:43:42 <michagogo> ...why am I uploading 145 KB/s of the 4.52GB bootstrap.dat to a polish peer
 892 2013-09-01 16:43:43 <michagogo> ?
 893 2013-09-01 16:43:53 * michagogo removes the torrent
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 895 2013-09-01 16:45:06 <phantomcircuit> michagogo, if you're careful you can construct bittorrent's which use the same files such that you can serve people looking at older torrents using the same files as newer ones
 896 2013-09-01 16:45:27 <michagogo> phantomcircuit: But we don't want people to be downloading and seeding the old one
 897 2013-09-01 16:45:41 <phantomcircuit> michagogo, if it was multiple files you would
 898 2013-09-01 16:45:51 <phantomcircuit> since that would be better than nothing
 899 2013-09-01 16:45:54 <sipa> it's a single file
 900 2013-09-01 16:46:07 <sipa> and if you downloaded an earlier one, it gets reused for the new one
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 902 2013-09-01 16:46:14 <sipa> so you only download the extra part
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 905 2013-09-01 16:47:01 <phantomcircuit> sipa, lol this is problematic
 906 2013-09-01 16:47:07 <phantomcircuit> std::bad_alloc
 907 2013-09-01 16:47:14 <sipa> you're out of memory...
 908 2013-09-01 16:47:39 <phantomcircuit> im thinking it's ListUnconfirmedSupportingTransactions with my insane 1000 input/1000 output transactions
 909 2013-09-01 16:47:46 <phantomcircuit> which are all linked to each other
 910 2013-09-01 16:48:00 <phantomcircuit> and then using an std::vector
 911 2013-09-01 16:48:14 <phantomcircuit> where it's trying to allocate/release huge blocks of contiguous memory
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 915 2013-09-01 16:53:04 <phantomcircuit> huh
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 918 2013-09-01 16:55:21 <phantomcircuit> lol
 919 2013-09-01 16:55:22 <phantomcircuit> printf("reverse %s\n", vWorkQueue.size());
 920 2013-09-01 16:55:23 <phantomcircuit> derp
 921 2013-09-01 16:55:25 <weex> deos anyone know how to turn a ScriptPubKey like this 76a91433bd7500f8e1e91c69f5bc5a978296012d53bd1888ac into an address?
 922 2013-09-01 16:55:41 <sipa> pattern match :)
 923 2013-09-01 16:56:16 <weex> i think the first 6 and last 4 chars should be discarded
 924 2013-09-01 16:56:35 <weex> to match the length of what i see on blockchain.info
 925 2013-09-01 16:57:40 <sipa> it decodes to: OP_DUP OP_HASH160 0x33bd7500f8e1e91c69f5bc5a978296012d53bd18 OP_EQUALVERIFY OP_CHECKSIG
 926 2013-09-01 16:57:51 <sipa> so it's a boring send-to-pubkey-hash transaction
 927 2013-09-01 16:58:40 <weex> so it's the 0x33... bit i'm having a hard time turning into an address
 928 2013-09-01 16:58:50 <sipa> put a 0x01 in front
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 930 2013-09-01 16:58:58 <sipa> append the checksum
 931 2013-09-01 16:59:01 <sipa> convert to base58
 932 2013-09-01 16:59:05 <sipa> sorry, a 0x00 in front
 933 2013-09-01 16:59:09 <weex> oh ok
 934 2013-09-01 16:59:11 <weex> great!
 935 2013-09-01 16:59:14 <michagogo> (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Base58Check_encoding)
 936 2013-09-01 17:00:23 <weex> was trying to use base58_check_encode from http://github.com/weex/addrgen but i think nothing in there does exactly those things
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 953 2013-09-01 17:47:58 <michagogo> What's the timing usually like in terms of time from rc until release, assuming no changes?
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 956 2013-09-01 17:49:50 <Luke-Jr> usually faster than this
 957 2013-09-01 17:51:15 <michagogo> Ah, just thought of something
 958 2013-09-01 17:51:21 * michagogo checks the tags list
 959 2013-09-01 17:51:36 <michagogo> So 0.8.2 was 5 days
 960 2013-09-01 17:51:49 <michagogo> 0.8.0 was 12
 961 2013-09-01 17:52:11 <michagogo> 0.7.2 was ~14
 962 2013-09-01 17:52:25 <michagogo> 0.7.1 was 8
 963 2013-09-01 17:52:41 <michagogo> 0.7.0 was 5
 964 2013-09-01 17:53:19 <michagogo> So far it's been 12
 965 2013-09-01 17:55:17 <Luke-Jr> michagogo: nobody appreciates rushing ;)
 966 2013-09-01 17:55:19 <Luke-Jr> it happens when it happenjs
 967 2013-09-01 17:55:28 * michagogo isn't rushing
 968 2013-09-01 17:55:45 <michagogo> I was just wondering how this compares with past releases.
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1012 2013-09-01 18:58:30 <ahmedbodi> !seen Luke-Jr
1013 2013-09-01 18:58:30 <gribble> Luke-Jr was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 1 hour, 3 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <Luke-Jr> it happens when it happenjs
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1074 2013-09-01 20:29:44 <numismatics> is there an easy way to execute OP_CHECKSIG?
1075 2013-09-01 20:30:15 <lianj> what do you mean by easy?
1076 2013-09-01 20:30:20 <warren> anyone know off hand what version of gcc is in gitian?
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1078 2013-09-01 20:32:31 <numismatics> hah
1079 2013-09-01 20:32:49 <numismatics> i'm compiling libbitcoin now
1080 2013-09-01 20:33:12 <numismatics> so, anything short of writing my own program
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1083 2013-09-01 20:37:47 <sipa> warren: 4.4 afaik
1084 2013-09-01 20:42:16 <numismatics> a script would be ideal
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1086 2013-09-01 20:47:35 <ahmedbodi> hey guys do could any of u give me some advice on eloipool
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1095 2013-09-01 21:23:30 <warren> ooh, headers-first
1096 2013-09-01 21:23:43 <ahmedbodi> #!/bin/bash
1097 2013-09-01 21:23:44 <ahmedbodi> cd "$(dirname ${BASH_SOURCE[0]})"
1098 2013-09-01 21:23:46 <ahmedbodi> DIR="$( cd "$( dirname "${BASH_SOURCE[0]}" )" && pwd )"
1099 2013-09-01 21:23:47 <ahmedbodi> killall eloipool.py > /dev/null
1100 2013-09-01 21:23:49 <ahmedbodi> wait
1101 2013-09-01 21:23:50 <ahmedbodi> PYTHONPATH=$PYTHONPATH:$DIR/../python-bitcoinrpc/jsonrpc:$DIR/../python-bitcoinrpc/bitcoinrpc:$DIR/../python-base58:$DIR/../$
1102 2013-09-01 21:23:52 <ahmedbodi> python3 ../eloipool/eloipool.py ##for debuggin
1103 2013-09-01 21:23:53 <ahmedbodi> whoops sorry about that
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1114 2013-09-01 21:41:59 <gmaxwell> I think we may need to consider backing out the fork warning code: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=286013.msg3055928;boardseen#new
1115 2013-09-01 21:42:13 <gmaxwell> I keep seeing it trigger for people when they're having local problems and there is no fork.
1116 2013-09-01 21:42:17 <gmaxwell> It's crying wolf.
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1128 2013-09-01 22:05:37 <gmaxwell> sipa: edam reports reliable failure with parallel checking, reliable success with par.
1129 2013-09-01 22:07:56 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: hm, this pulltester failure appears to have nothing to do with the commit: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2945#issuecomment-23628298
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1140 2013-09-01 22:29:33 <phantomcircuit> <gmaxwell> sipa: edam reports reliable failure with parallel checking, reliable success with par.
1141 2013-09-01 22:29:35 <phantomcircuit> wat
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1144 2013-09-01 22:37:32 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, where is min() normally defined?
1145 2013-09-01 22:38:25 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, iirc that should be std::min()
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