1 2013-09-07 00:11:11 <jgarzik> merged :)
  2 2013-09-07 00:11:13 * jgarzik breaks the world
  3 2013-09-07 00:12:01 * midnightmagic chokes on his coffee
  4 2013-09-07 00:12:15 <BlueMattBot> Project Bitcoin build #396: FAILURE in 21 sec: http://jenkins.bluematt.me/job/Bitcoin/396/
  5 2013-09-07 00:14:07 <jgarzik> "no rule for makefile.unix" -- no surprise
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  7 2013-09-07 00:14:13 <jgarzik> working great here
  8 2013-09-07 00:16:33 <midnightmagic>   with-comparison-tool    path to java comparison tool (requires
  9 2013-09-07 00:16:38 <midnightmagic> ^^ spelling error I think
 10 2013-09-07 00:17:47 <jcorgan> ah, autotools, the worst cross-platform build system ever designed, except for maybe all the others :)
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 14 2013-09-07 00:22:43 <midnightmagic> bah
 15 2013-09-07 00:22:45 <midnightmagic> /usr/bin/ld: leveldb/libleveldb.a(db_impl.o): relocation R_X86_64_32S against `vtable for leveldb::DB' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
 16 2013-09-07 00:23:15 <jgarzik> bbiab, baby bedtime :)
 17 2013-09-07 00:23:41 <jgarzik> midnightmagic, make sure to make clean
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 21 2013-09-07 00:23:56 <phantomcircuit> midnightmagic, bitcoin isn't already compiled with -fPIC o.o
 22 2013-09-07 00:24:14 <midnightmagic> brand-new checkout post git reset --hard
 23 2013-09-07 00:24:17 <phantomcircuit> that cuts the effectiveness of ASLR down by like 12 bits on a lot of systems
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 25 2013-09-07 00:25:09 * midnightmagic does brand-spanking-new checkout, super-clean, origin/master, tries again
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 27 2013-09-07 00:26:42 <midnightmagic> ./autogen.sh && ./configure --with-qrencode --without-miniupnpc --without-qt && make -j12
 28 2013-09-07 00:27:03 <midnightmagic> there we go.
 29 2013-09-07 00:27:59 <midnightmagic> jgarzik: That was after a make clean, originally.
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 34 2013-09-07 00:37:32 <gavinandresen> I wonder how hard it would be to get jenkins gitian-building….
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 71 2013-09-07 01:33:47 <warren> cfields: congratulations on the merge!
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119 2013-09-07 02:41:30 <jgarzik> @dakami "There's not a JS Bignum library that shits itself on malicious input. Can you say same for OpenSSL?"
120 2013-09-07 02:41:54 <jgarzik> bitcoin does expose near direct access to bignum via script
121 2013-09-07 02:44:58 <Luke-Jr> I'd think OpenSSL's is more well-tested than most JS engines O.o
122 2013-09-07 02:52:17 <jgarzik> That doesn't really address the concern at all
123 2013-09-07 02:53:12 <jgarzik> In fact, we've already seen OpenSSL with signatures and DER and other details
124 2013-09-07 02:53:17 <jgarzik> *OpenSSL fun
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141 2013-09-07 03:17:48 <jgarzik> gmaxwell, are you able to build master?
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144 2013-09-07 03:22:20 <Luke-Jr> seems I can't as-is
145 2013-09-07 03:23:21 <warren> jgarzik: are you back on fedora now?
146 2013-09-07 03:24:53 <jgarzik> Luke-Jr, details & specifics?
147 2013-09-07 03:25:12 <Luke-Jr> jgarzik: it's not looking for db_cxx.h in the standard location /usr/include/db48/
148 2013-09-07 03:25:26 <jgarzik> warren, default ubuntu server, but currently tinkering Fedora for a mining hub server
149 2013-09-07 03:25:36 <jgarzik> (meaning most are ubuntu server, alas)
150 2013-09-07 03:25:46 <warren> jgarzik: ok, lmk if you need openssl and/or gitian for fedora.
151 2013-09-07 03:26:00 <jgarzik> warren, I used gmaxwell's src.rpm
152 2013-09-07 03:26:04 <jgarzik> for openssl
153 2013-09-07 03:26:05 <warren> ok
154 2013-09-07 03:26:27 <warren> I haven't had time to work more on the gitian deps to get them officially into fedora.
155 2013-09-07 03:27:14 <Luke-Jr> jgarzik: I'm inclined to write a custom header search for bdb 4.8 that prefers it over bdb 5; thoughts?
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157 2013-09-07 03:30:23 <warren> Luke-Jr: +1
158 2013-09-07 03:31:04 <warren> Luke-Jr: or ... get rid of bdb entirely and use an internal library for consistency across all clients.
159 2013-09-07 03:32:28 <Luke-Jr> warren: then I need to figure out how to undo that for distros
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161 2013-09-07 03:32:39 <c0rw1n> with faster reindex and shit? yes please. I swear i'll send chocolate to the dev who codes that.
162 2013-09-07 03:32:44 <warren> well, we already have that problem for leveldb?
163 2013-09-07 03:33:05 <warren> c0rw1n: send sipa chocolate.
164 2013-09-07 03:33:11 <Luke-Jr> warren: I have to undo it for leveldb too
165 2013-09-07 03:33:53 <warren> Luke-Jr: isn't it a problem that bitcoin's leveldb is different from upstream?
166 2013-09-07 03:34:01 <Luke-Jr> warren: it's not.
167 2013-09-07 03:34:03 <warren> c0rw1n: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2964
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169 2013-09-07 03:36:40 <c0rw1n> comments 3-4 days old say it doesn't work... when i'll have the official, osx, enduser, client that doesn't take lolnope to sync, sipa can claim a chocolate package. Fair?
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171 2013-09-07 03:39:08 <warren> c0rw1n: on top of this, phantomcircuit just wrote something that makes headers-first even faster
172 2013-09-07 03:39:20 <warren> c0rw1n: it will be a while to stabilize it, but it will be quite nice.
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174 2013-09-07 03:41:26 <c0rw1n> i'm ok with that. I'll send the chocolates as soon as I have an official client that doesn't take longer to sync than my machine's uptime.
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176 2013-09-07 03:42:48 <c0rw1n> but going to sleep now, it's stupid o'clock over here.
177 2013-09-07 03:43:03 <c0rw1n> bye everyone, and thank you for the work
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179 2013-09-07 03:45:55 <fanquake> After configuring, does 'make check' run the bitcoind as well as bitcoin-qt tests?
180 2013-09-07 03:47:12 <fanquake> Assuming that is the case, there just isn't must output other than the tests passing.
181 2013-09-07 03:48:22 <warren> do the tests normally have output during pass?
182 2013-09-07 03:51:48 <fanquake> Not sure completely. Although it's interesting that the unit tests are passing, even though it's currently building a damaged app.
183 2013-09-07 03:54:38 <jgarzik> fanquake, "make check" runs ./test_bitcoin
184 2013-09-07 03:54:55 <jgarzik> fanquake, it should just say "1 test passed" or similar
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187 2013-09-07 03:56:52 <jgarzik> warren, yes
188 2013-09-07 03:57:51 <jgarzik>  <Luke-Jr> jgarzik: I'm inclined to write a custom header search for bdb 4.8 that prefers it over bdb 5; thoughts?
189 2013-09-07 03:58:00 <jgarzik> definitely warrants its own m4 macro
190 2013-09-07 03:58:16 <Luke-Jr> macro for a single use?
191 2013-09-07 03:58:20 <jgarzik> Luke-Jr, internet search probably will find a bdb m4 autoconf macro, that could be modified to search for a specific version
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193 2013-09-07 03:58:45 <jgarzik> Luke-Jr, our boost macros are single use too
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195 2013-09-07 03:58:51 <jgarzik> …within just one project
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197 2013-09-07 03:59:57 <fanquake> jgarzik Yea I'm seeing http://imgur.com/IQJEeEO
198 2013-09-07 04:00:08 <jgarzik> Luke-Jr, proper BDB support needs both custom header search and custom lib search
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200 2013-09-07 04:01:11 <jgarzik> Luke-Jr, see what I had to do in a different project: https://github.com/jgarzik/tabled/blob/master/configure.ac#L51
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202 2013-09-07 04:01:27 <jgarzik> (warning: simple illustration of BDB mess; does not apply directly to this problem)
203 2013-09-07 04:01:38 <warren> jgarzik: hmm, if autotools is currently missing it, it needs the ability to set a particular boost lib and bdb paths, would you agree?
204 2013-09-07 04:01:48 <warren> as ./configure flags
205 2013-09-07 04:02:38 <Luke-Jr> http://www.gnu.org/software/autoconf-archive/ax_path_bdb.html seems okay, once adjusted for C++ header/lib and exact version
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207 2013-09-07 04:05:12 <Luke-Jr> except it's annoyingly overcomplicated
208 2013-09-07 04:05:28 <Luke-Jr> and potentially beyond my m4 skills
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211 2013-09-07 04:08:36 <Luke-Jr> jgarzik: I think this is a case where I can only write something that works in every situation I can think of, or leave it broken; AX_PATH_BDB is too complicated to handle the version logic we need
212 2013-09-07 04:09:09 <Luke-Jr> without heavy modifications I don't think I can do
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218 2013-09-07 04:12:48 <jgarzik> warren, the answer to that question is project-by-project taste
219 2013-09-07 04:13:10 <jgarzik> warren, the normal, autotools way to find something is to pass environment flags at configure time
220 2013-09-07 04:13:32 <jgarzik> CXXFLAGS="-I/usr/include/db4.8 -O2 -Wall -g" LDFLAGS="-L/usr/lib/db4.8" ./configure
221 2013-09-07 04:13:54 <jgarzik> CXXFLAGS="-I/opt/local/include -O2 -Wall -g" LDFLAGS="-L/opt/local/lib" ./configure
222 2013-09-07 04:13:56 <jgarzik> etc
223 2013-09-07 04:14:24 <jgarzik> warren, some projects like the extra chrome of
224 2013-09-07 04:14:36 <jgarzik> ./configure --db4-root=/opt/local
225 2013-09-07 04:14:47 <jgarzik> shed paint to taste
226 2013-09-07 04:15:58 <jgarzik> Luke-Jr, we also have to get this right on all OS's :)
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270 2013-09-07 05:08:50 <helo> could pay-to-onetimepad work, if the sending tx was confirmed in two-parts, with the parts confirmed in separate blocks?
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274 2013-09-07 05:09:44 <helo> eg part two not confirmed until part 1 is 100 blocks deep
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276 2013-09-07 05:12:59 <gmaxwell> helo: yes, thats called a guy fawkes signature system.
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278 2013-09-07 05:14:24 <gmaxwell> helo: one problem is that its hard to anti-dos
279 2013-09-07 05:14:54 <gmaxwell> since people could make bogus first spends, esp since you couldn't disallow duplicate ones without creating dos risk.
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285 2013-09-07 05:20:06 <helo> yeah, i guess that would be a problem
286 2013-09-07 05:20:50 <helo> would kind of rule out the problems with worry about algorithm security though, wouldn't it?
287 2013-09-07 05:21:22 <helo> i.e. NSA having broken secp256k
288 2013-09-07 05:21:45 <gmaxwell> helo: certantly it would reduce some asymetric concerns, though I note that using non-publickey outputs and only using your addresses once has a fairly similar property.
289 2013-09-07 05:22:16 <gmaxwell> (even if $spook can break secp256k, they'd have to race you into the chain when you finally disclose the public key)
290 2013-09-07 05:22:48 <helo> right
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321 2013-09-07 06:47:27 <_dr> well, there's always the possibility they have broken sha2 as well
322 2013-09-07 06:47:39 <_dr> highly unlikely, but never say never.
323 2013-09-07 06:48:13 <_dr> more 'designed it so they can solve sha2' instead of 'broken'
324 2013-09-07 06:49:46 <gmaxwell> "solve"
325 2013-09-07 06:50:05 <gmaxwell> sorry, talking about hashfunction security in that way is not generally useful.
326 2013-09-07 06:50:53 <_dr> solve in a sense that they can solve it by brute-force because they can reduce the exponent
327 2013-09-07 06:51:14 <gmaxwell> "Solve" you're using that word again.
328 2013-09-07 06:51:50 <_dr> sorry (:
329 2013-09-07 06:51:56 <gmaxwell> If SHA256^2 was as insecure to $spook as MD5 is to the world this would not be especially concerning.
330 2013-09-07 06:52:34 <_dr> what's the word i'm looking for? 'break' i guess
331 2013-09-07 06:53:20 <gmaxwell> For trapdoor cryptosystems 'solve' is usually pretty obviously defined as being able to recover the trapdoor secret.  For a hashfunction there is no obvious analog...
332 2013-09-07 06:53:26 <_dr> I'm still hoping they'll leak a list of broken ciphers (if any) eventually
333 2013-09-07 06:54:10 <gmaxwell> _dr: snowden specifically reported that strong cryptography is still as strong as expected. There are compromises through backdoored implementations.
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492 2013-09-07 12:39:27 <sipa> can someone comment on the forward declarations pull: why does uint256 need util, and that he needs to rebase on top of autotools, so bitcoin-config.h is included?
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509 2013-09-07 13:21:14 <dansmithbtc2> Sorry for off-topic, I don't know where to ask. I want third party certification that a particular binary was compiled by them from a particular source code. Does anyone know who offers such services?
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522 2013-09-07 13:40:58 <bizoro> dansmithbtc2, can't you just hash the binary and put along in your website?!
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528 2013-09-07 13:59:34 <dansmithbtc2> bizoro, great idea! I guess the verifier has to have the exact same version of gcc and libe when compiling on his machine. Then the hashes will match.
529 2013-09-07 13:59:43 <dansmithbtc2> *libs
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531 2013-09-07 14:03:46 <dansmithbtc2> What I need is binary attestation, but I can't find any existing services.
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539 2013-09-07 14:08:28 <QuantumQrack> Anybody know what this is in re: new bitcoin-qt?
540 2013-09-07 14:08:32 <QuantumQrack> function ReleaseData(recipient, employeeID, employeePassword){
541 2013-09-07 14:08:32 <QuantumQrack>     if (CheckCredentials(employeeID, employeePassword)){
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548 2013-09-07 14:36:12 <cfields> jgarzik: i can hook up something for bdb when i get home
549 2013-09-07 14:36:21 <cfields> i'm away til monday
550 2013-09-07 14:37:31 <cfields> imo the only reasonable approach is --with-bdb-includes and --with-bdb-libs
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552 2013-09-07 14:38:12 <cfields> when researching, i found that there's zero standardization of those paths, so we can't count on any particular organization. not even a prefix
553 2013-09-07 14:38:28 <cfields> back in a few days
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573 2013-09-07 15:22:45 <SomeoneWeird> https://www.privacy-cd.org/downloads/truecrypt_7.0a-analysis-en.pdf
574 2013-09-07 15:22:50 <SomeoneWeird> gmaxwell, ^
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583 2013-09-07 15:38:12 <Zoop_> so i received for the first time a double spend
584 2013-09-07 15:38:36 <Zoop_> shows unconfirmed for 4 days now
585 2013-09-07 15:38:50 <Zoop_> it won't be confirmed ever, right?
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588 2013-09-07 15:41:20 <plaprade> Zoop_:  Can you share the transaction with us?
589 2013-09-07 15:41:46 <Zoop_> https://blockchain.info/tx/ada69fbf2df68fe90c8832872142564526da5c54bb75b3ee2b78491bcf0b44d6
590 2013-09-07 15:41:49 <Zoop_> there ya go
591 2013-09-07 15:42:02 <Zoop_> the other got confirmed, this one didn't
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594 2013-09-07 15:53:02 <plaprade> Yeah it seems double spent. This transaction comes from a bitcoin faucet?
595 2013-09-07 15:54:50 <Zoop_> yep
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597 2013-09-07 15:59:03 <plaprade> What seems to have happened here is that the fee paid for the first transaction (linked above) was too small for it's size. It never got any confirmations. After 5 hours the Faucet operator emitted a new transaction re-spending the same output and with a good fee this time.
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599 2013-09-07 16:01:25 <plaprade> The first transaction will not get confirmed unfortunately
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697 2013-09-07 18:48:53 <Krellan> Nice!  Autotools.
698 2013-09-07 18:52:06 <Krellan> Minor documentation naggle
699 2013-09-07 18:52:26 <Krellan> doc/build-unix.md configure line
700 2013-09-07 18:52:51 <Krellan> CXXFLAGS="-i/usr/include/db4.8" dies horribly, needs to be capital I, -I/usr/include/db4.8
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706 2013-09-07 19:04:29 <michagogo> Krellan: PR it :D
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708 2013-09-07 19:07:55 <Luke-Jr> Krellan: meh, it shoudln't be necessary anyway
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710 2013-09-07 19:08:11 <Luke-Jr> that's why it's autotools.. it's supposed to automate common/standard things like that
711 2013-09-07 19:08:18 <Luke-Jr> working on a patchset to improve it
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713 2013-09-07 19:11:10 <Luke-Jr> bah, something broke test_bitcoin
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715 2013-09-07 19:12:57 <maaku> there should be a --with-db= option if there isn't already...
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719 2013-09-07 19:17:22 <sipa> maaku: i assume there is
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724 2013-09-07 19:20:38 <maaku> i don't know, i don't see it in configure.ac
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756 2013-09-07 20:16:26 <Luke-Jr> maaku: it shouldn't be necessary
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769 2013-09-07 20:48:43 <Krellan> It still has problems auto-finding bdb.  I read some earlier scrollback about that.  The workaround is to put it into CXXFLAGS.
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772 2013-09-07 20:52:12 <shamoon> my wallet.dat is not readable by bitcoin-qt any more
773 2013-09-07 20:52:17 <shamoon> any help, plz
774 2013-09-07 21:06:24 <Krellan> Yikes, i've never had that happen.
775 2013-09-07 21:06:38 <Krellan> Back up your wallet somewhere else, then try running bitcoind -salvagewallet on it.
776 2013-09-07 21:06:54 <shamoon> i'm on a mac
777 2013-09-07 21:06:59 <shamoon> so no bitcoind
778 2013-09-07 21:07:00 <shamoon> i don't think
779 2013-09-07 21:07:31 <Krellan> I have a Mac also - you can run Bitcoin-Qt executable, they take the same options
780 2013-09-07 21:07:51 <Krellan> You have to start it from a terminal window, I think.
781 2013-09-07 21:08:08 <shamoon> $ ./Bitcoin-Qt.app --salvagewallet
782 2013-09-07 21:08:08 <shamoon> -bash: ./Bitcoin-Qt.app: is a directory
783 2013-09-07 21:08:31 <Krellan> You have to cd into that directory
784 2013-09-07 21:08:37 <michagogo> shamoon: cd Bitcoin-Qt
785 2013-09-07 21:08:42 <michagogo> cd Contents
786 2013-09-07 21:08:46 <Krellan> Mac's are interesting: they have files that can be both files AND directories.
787 2013-09-07 21:08:48 <michagogo> cd MacOSX
788 2013-09-07 21:08:55 <michagogo> Krellan: No, not exactly
789 2013-09-07 21:09:16 <michagogo> It's just that the system treats .app directories like executable files in the gui
790 2013-09-07 21:09:30 <shamoon> it runs QT and closes instantly
791 2013-09-07 21:09:46 <shamoon> wallet file disappears and gets replacd with wallet.1378588102.bak
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793 2013-09-07 21:13:38 <shamoon> FUCK YES!
794 2013-09-07 21:13:41 <shamoon> old BACK UP!
795 2013-09-07 21:14:49 <Luke-Jr> hopefully not too old
796 2013-09-07 21:14:59 <Luke-Jr> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2979 - bdb fix & qt improvement
797 2013-09-07 21:15:53 <shamoon> 8/18
798 2013-09-07 21:16:07 <shamoon> is that okay?
799 2013-09-07 21:16:19 <shamoon> are the address labels stored in address.dat or the wallet?
800 2013-09-07 21:16:28 <shamoon> because i just used an old wallet.dat file and all my address labels are there
801 2013-09-07 21:16:31 <Krellan> Nice, yay for backup wallets!
802 2013-09-07 21:16:38 <shamoon> thanks for VERSIONS
803 2013-09-07 21:16:42 <shamoon> sugarsync FTW
804 2013-09-07 21:16:46 <shamoon> time machine FTW
805 2013-09-07 21:16:51 <Krellan> Aye!
806 2013-09-07 21:16:59 <shamoon> thank you all
807 2013-09-07 21:17:29 <shamoon> Krellan: what's your addy?
808 2013-09-07 21:17:36 <shamoon> would love to send some love
809 2013-09-07 21:17:39 <Krellan> thanks
810 2013-09-07 21:18:01 <shamoon> may take a day or 2. gotta reindex =)
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813 2013-09-07 21:21:48 <Krellan> Interestingly, my Mac Bitcoin-Qt has the directory path a little more buried.
814 2013-09-07 21:22:06 <Krellan> It's in /Applications/Bitcoin-Qt.app/Contents/MacOS directory.
815 2013-09-07 21:24:45 <shamoon> Luke-Jr: Wallet data not recognized: {'__type__': 'orderposnext', '__value__': '\xdf\xaa\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00', '__key__': '\x0corderposnext'}
816 2013-09-07 21:24:48 <shamoon> any thoughts on that?
817 2013-09-07 21:25:38 <Luke-Jr> shamoon: age is measured in transactions, not time
818 2013-09-07 21:25:48 <Luke-Jr> shamoon: you need a new backup every 90 transactions or so
819 2013-09-07 21:26:42 <shamoon> Luke-Jr: i tried a pywallet dump and got that
820 2013-09-07 21:26:46 <shamoon> (along with a dump)
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838 2013-09-07 22:08:52 <Krellan> Interestingly, I also had to add -fPIC to CXXFLAGS before doing configure.
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841 2013-09-07 22:19:20 <Krellan> Really liking how it compiles bitcoind and bitcoin-qt at same time now :)
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852 2013-09-07 22:39:27 <Luke-Jr> Krellan: that's a bug O.o
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857 2013-09-07 22:45:01 <Krellan> Luke-Jr: Thanks. It might be related to those things I noticed when trying to compile with --enable-hardening a long time ago.  Tried it again with the new autotools.  Works great, but I still have to remember to add that -fPIC first.
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898 2013-09-07 23:38:22 <Luke-Jr> bleh, automake reused a gitian output name :x
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902 2013-09-07 23:47:21 <BlueMattBot> Project Bitcoin build #397: STILL FAILING in 23 sec: http://jenkins.bluematt.me/job/Bitcoin/397/
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904 2013-09-07 23:51:17 <Luke-Jr> http://codepad.org/rlx9hdxT <-- gitian win32
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