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95 2013-09-27 03:31:00 <warren> michagogo|cloud: boost*.zip is not deterministic
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110 2013-09-27 04:00:30 <Urushiol> is this the suitable place to inquire about functionality of Armory?
111 2013-09-27 04:03:42 <gmaxwell> you could try, ... an armory channel would be better, but I don't know if one exists.
112 2013-09-27 04:04:17 <Urushiol> I looked and it doesn't seem that it does.
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188 2013-09-27 08:10:59 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|<warren> michagogo|cloud: boost*.zip is not deterministic
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190 2013-09-27 08:11:33 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Yeah, found that out by going to gitian.sigs and comparing in_manifests
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199 2013-09-27 08:31:31 <warren> michagogo|cloud: qt isn't either
200 2013-09-27 08:31:47 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Same.
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202 2013-09-27 08:31:58 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|The deps appear to be, though
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206 2013-09-27 08:34:23 <warren> I'm waiting for someone to commit the win32 gitian patch so it can be safely built upon.
207 2013-09-27 08:34:40 <warren> It looks like multiple people want to fix release-process.md ...
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225 2013-09-27 08:53:09 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|warren: if you're interested in the process of my getting the gitian builds to run in lxc, feel free to join ##michagogo-gitian
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228 2013-09-27 08:53:41 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I've gotten it apparently working, and built qt and boost
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231 2013-09-27 08:53:47 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|But the deps failed.
232 2013-09-27 08:53:57 <sipa> what failed?
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236 2013-09-27 08:54:42 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|sipa: the build script, at the gbuild level
237 2013-09-27 08:54:48 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I'll get you the pastebin a
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240 2013-09-27 08:55:08 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Stupid autocorrect
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371 2013-09-27 14:16:38 <DiabloD3> http://reason.com/blog/2013/09/25/feds-steal-35k-from-small-grocers-bank-a
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384 2013-09-27 14:47:12 <nkuttler> i guess there's no way to use encryptwallet without restarting the bitcoind?
385 2013-09-27 14:48:10 <sipa> it needs to rewrite your wallet.dat file, as your old keys are otherwise available in it
386 2013-09-27 14:48:19 <sipa> it can't do that while the file is opemn
387 2013-09-27 14:49:04 <nkuttler> ok. was just wondering as i write tests against the api and restarting the deamon.. well.. i'll have to see how to do that
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392 2013-09-27 14:52:54 <helo> assuming the correct headers and libs are available, should non-gitian './autogen.sh && ./configure && make' still work?
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394 2013-09-27 14:54:22 <sipa> yes
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396 2013-09-27 14:54:40 <michagogo> sipa: Do you have a gitian setup?
397 2013-09-27 14:55:14 <sipa> michagogo: yes, but not here
398 2013-09-27 14:55:18 <sipa> and it may not work anymore
399 2013-09-27 14:55:29 <michagogo> Will you be at it within the next 26 hours?
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401 2013-09-27 14:56:07 <sipa> yes
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403 2013-09-27 14:57:09 <michagogo> Would you mind pulling the latest gitian-builder and making sure that as of `git checkout v0.8.5` in bitcoin the win32 deps descriptor still works?
404 2013-09-27 14:57:44 <michagogo> It failed to build, and devrandom said that it looked to him like a problem in the build, not the gitian system
405 2013-09-27 14:57:58 <michagogo> (if you look in ##michagogo-gitian you can see the pastebins of the logs from there
406 2013-09-27 14:57:59 <michagogo> )
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408 2013-09-27 14:58:33 <sipa> how were the 0.8.5 release binaries built otherwise?
409 2013-09-27 14:58:49 <michagogo> sipa: Does everyone rebuild the deps zip every time?
410 2013-09-27 14:58:52 <sipa> no
411 2013-09-27 14:58:54 <michagogo> right
412 2013-09-27 14:59:04 <sipa> oh, now i see
413 2013-09-27 14:59:08 <michagogo> in theory, if it really is broken...
414 2013-09-27 14:59:10 <sipa> i'll try this weekend
415 2013-09-27 14:59:31 <michagogo> but there *were* some errors in the install.log (where it gets the packages)
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417 2013-09-27 14:59:53 <michagogo> So idk, and Shabbat's about to start, so I g2g
418 2013-09-27 15:00:46 <helo> should make be trying to mkdir /src?
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420 2013-09-27 15:01:24 <sipa> helo: eh?
421 2013-09-27 15:01:30 <sipa> src should already exist anyway?
422 2013-09-27 15:03:11 <helo> note this is /src, not ./src
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424 2013-09-27 15:03:53 <sipa> eh? :o
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426 2013-09-27 15:07:01 <helo> apparently during the building of obj/build.h, fairly late in the build process
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445 2013-09-27 15:43:42 <cfields> helo: this is an issue with current master?
446 2013-09-27 15:44:58 <helo> on this machine, at least... pretty standard raring ubuntu though
447 2013-09-27 15:45:08 <helo> i'll try it on my other raring machine at home this evening
448 2013-09-27 15:45:47 <helo> i've built plenty of times before autotools
449 2013-09-27 15:46:40 <cfields> happens every time on that machine?
450 2013-09-27 15:47:03 <helo> yes
451 2013-09-27 15:47:40 <helo> i've attempted the distclean, autogen, configure, make process several times
452 2013-09-27 15:47:48 <cfields> could you please pastebin the output of a busted make?
453 2013-09-27 15:49:18 <helo> i'll paste the end of make -d, because the full debug output is humongous
454 2013-09-27 15:49:31 <helo> pastebin, that is
455 2013-09-27 15:50:39 <cfields> no debug, just regular make
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457 2013-09-27 15:52:23 <helo> ok, doing a make clean first so it will be more useful
458 2013-09-27 16:01:29 <helo> http://goo.gl/orZgPY
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460 2013-09-27 16:02:13 <helo> cfields: ^
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462 2013-09-27 16:03:56 <cfields> helo: erm, are you building out-of-tree ?
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464 2013-09-27 16:05:05 <helo> i'm building from bitcoin/
465 2013-09-27 16:05:21 <helo> well, that one is inside bitcoin/src
466 2013-09-27 16:07:24 <cfields> helo: grep abs_top_builddir /media/dump/Downloads/bitcoin/src | head -1
467 2013-09-27 16:07:30 <cfields> er
468 2013-09-27 16:07:35 <cfields> helo: grep abs_top_builddir /media/dump/Downloads/bitcoin/src/Makefile | head -1
469 2013-09-27 16:10:07 <helo> @$(MKDIR_P) $(abs_top_builddir)/src/obj
470 2013-09-27 16:11:10 <cfields> Makefile. not Makefile.am
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472 2013-09-27 16:13:03 <helo> i pasted the command verbatim... that is Makefile
473 2013-09-27 16:13:19 <helo> that would explain the problem i guess :)
474 2013-09-27 16:14:23 <helo> let me clone a clean copy of master...
475 2013-09-27 16:15:26 <cfields> no need, distclean is good enough
476 2013-09-27 16:15:41 <helo> already did that... same result :/
477 2013-09-27 16:16:03 <cfields> in src/Makefile.am, change abs_top_builddir to top_builddir
478 2013-09-27 16:16:08 <cfields> then reconfigure and make
479 2013-09-27 16:16:15 <helo> k
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481 2013-09-27 16:16:32 <cfields> if that fixes, we can research why you're not getting abs_top_builddir
482 2013-09-27 16:23:08 <helo> that built bitcoind, with a similar problem building qt/
483 2013-09-27 16:23:54 <helo> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/commits-list/2009-August/msg08366.html seems similar, but it seems doubtful i'm using an autconf that is very different from precise
484 2013-09-27 16:24:02 <helo> autoconf 2.69 here
485 2013-09-27 16:24:52 <cfields> problem with rcc, i'm guessing?
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487 2013-09-27 16:25:30 <cfields> ah nm, several possibilities there
488 2013-09-27 16:26:44 <cfields> i suspect some kind of pebkac here, i've never had any issues building on raring
489 2013-09-27 16:27:15 <sipa> same
490 2013-09-27 16:27:17 <helo> probably so...
491 2013-09-27 16:27:56 <helo> as long as i can get it to build, i'm satisfied. thanks for the help :)
492 2013-09-27 16:27:59 <cfields> if there is an issue with some autoconf/automake and abs_top_builddir it can be avoided, but i'd like to get to the bottom of why first
493 2013-09-27 16:28:27 <cfields> helo: would you mind pasting your config.log ?
494 2013-09-27 16:28:43 <helo> not at all
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497 2013-09-27 16:29:18 <helo> any chance --with-incompatible-bdb could cause this?
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499 2013-09-27 16:29:40 <sipa> i'm using that flag as well
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501 2013-09-27 16:30:05 <cfields> helo: nope, using it here too
502 2013-09-27 16:30:11 <cfields> it's some autoconf/automake weirdness
503 2013-09-27 16:30:35 <cfields> any chance you have something funny in your env? using a non-standard shell? exported PWD? etc?
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510 2013-09-27 16:36:08 <helo> hmm... i have a couple duplicated entries in $PATH. /me wonders why .bashrc is being executed twice
511 2013-09-27 16:36:16 <helo> http://goo.gl/eXY1TB
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514 2013-09-27 16:37:17 <cfields> do 'env' and study it
515 2013-09-27 16:37:28 <cfields> there's a really good chance you have something funky in there due to android
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541 2013-09-27 17:28:18 <devrandom> warren: michagogo|cloud: sorry I haven't noticed mentions of my name in here. I have "gitian" hilighted, and recently it's been a lot of msgs, so I tended to tune-out mentions.
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543 2013-09-27 17:30:35 <devrandom> warren: michagogo|cloud: let me know if I can be of further help with gitian effort
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557 2013-09-27 18:15:13 <nsh> (can't you have different colours for different mentions, devrandom?)
558 2013-09-27 18:17:01 <Luke-Jr> today is GNU's 30th birthday <.<
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560 2013-09-27 18:24:00 <eoss> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4HGVJjqDVk
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563 2013-09-27 18:31:05 <devrandom> (nsh - will look into it)
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577 2013-09-27 19:02:16 * helo wonders why his 27 connection node's debug.log is nearly silent
578 2013-09-27 19:03:21 <chmod755> helo, bitcoin-qt / bitcoind?
579 2013-09-27 19:03:26 <helo> bitcoind
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582 2013-09-27 19:06:34 <helo> it's very markedly different... if log verbosity has not been reduced, something is amok
583 2013-09-27 19:07:15 <helo> not seeing any requests for tx/block data from any peers
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587 2013-09-27 19:10:59 <sphered> hi
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589 2013-09-27 19:11:19 <chmod755> helo, hmmm...indeed
590 2013-09-27 19:12:36 <sphered> im developing a coin and i need to send % of coins in block when mined to goto a list of addresses how can i code this?
591 2013-09-27 19:12:52 <chmod755> sphered, with C++
592 2013-09-27 19:13:02 <sphered> yes
593 2013-09-27 19:13:41 <sphered> any idea
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595 2013-09-27 19:15:02 <sphered> anyone?
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603 2013-09-27 19:17:35 <sipa> helo: default verbosity is reduced indeed
604 2013-09-27 19:17:55 <chmod755> sipa, i don't get any messages with -debug -debugnet
605 2013-09-27 19:18:17 <sipa> use -debug=net
606 2013-09-27 19:18:24 <chmod755> oh. hmm
607 2013-09-27 19:18:38 <sphered> chmod755 sent you a message
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618 2013-09-27 19:30:30 <sphered> im developing a coin and i need to send % of coins in block when mined to goto a list of addresses how can i code this?
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621 2013-09-27 19:31:52 <helo> ;(
622 2013-09-27 19:31:58 <sphered> hi
623 2013-09-27 19:32:16 <sipa> sphered: if you're serious about creating an own altcoin based on an existing codebase, please learn that codebase and its programming language first
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625 2013-09-27 19:32:47 <chmod755> sounds like a new currency with built-in taxationÂ
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627 2013-09-27 19:32:53 <sphered> k i have already begun
628 2013-09-27 19:33:09 <sphered> learning just wondering if anyone could help me with this
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630 2013-09-27 19:34:16 <sphered> i have learn't alot and already made many modifcations to the code just stuck with this one
631 2013-09-27 19:34:54 <sphered> sipa: do you know?
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635 2013-09-27 19:38:57 <sipa> sphered: i would consider it a waste of your and my time
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637 2013-09-27 19:40:38 <sphered> sipa: wow you so helpful (sarcasm) - you could have just helped me out. but fine troll around
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641 2013-09-27 19:47:47 <nsh> sphered, i would give up now
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643 2013-09-27 19:47:54 <nsh> sphered, there are easier ways to make money
644 2013-09-27 19:48:17 <sphered> its not just about the money. and i don't give up.
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647 2013-09-27 19:49:27 <sphered> but thanks for your concernce nsh
648 2013-09-27 19:49:40 <sipa> there are many interesting possibilities to be explored in cryptocurrencies still, and there are a ton of ideas that are very hard to implement in bitcoin, as they represent a potentially large economic change; many are on the https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Hardfork_Wishlist page, but there are even more exotic things people think about
649 2013-09-27 19:49:44 <nsh> np, my concernce are freely given
650 2013-09-27 19:50:02 * nsh reads https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Hardfork_Wishlist
651 2013-09-27 19:50:18 <sipa> if you're interesting in doing any of those, or come up with an actual potential improvement, i'm all ears, and will help you any way i can
652 2013-09-27 19:50:50 <sipa> but if all you want to do is tweak some economic parameters, or minor constants, like pretty much every altcoin out there, i really couldn't care less
653 2013-09-27 19:51:32 <sipa> nor do i believe that without significant changes that technically improve the system, you have any change of gaining much of an economy anyway
654 2013-09-27 19:51:50 <sphered> sipa: my aim is not to make some clone. More modified sorcecode so far has many changes.
655 2013-09-27 19:51:57 <gmaxwell> even the "we get a cut of all the coins" crap has been done several times. SC, Devcoin, and I think freicoin are all examples of that.
656 2013-09-27 19:52:19 <sphered> however this feature sending % of coins to adress is one of a few
657 2013-09-27 19:52:42 <sipa> you understand that 'an address' doesn't even exist at the bitcoin protocol level/
658 2013-09-27 19:52:51 <gmaxwell> sphered: If you're stuck figuring out how to add code to constrain coinbase outputs and aren't even able to articulate your problem as a specific technical issue in the language of the code, I'm really doubtful that any of your changes are interesting.
659 2013-09-27 19:53:21 <chmod755> gmaxwell++
660 2013-09-27 19:53:28 <sipa> feel free to discuss changes you intend to make
661 2013-09-27 19:53:41 <sipa> if you think they're actually beneficial
662 2013-09-27 19:53:58 <sphered> my changes are interesing. but what you guys dont seem to understand is that in order to make a successful crypto currency you dont need to have 800 pages of extra code
663 2013-09-27 19:54:06 <sphered> ok.
664 2013-09-27 19:54:09 <sphered> so firstly
665 2013-09-27 19:54:24 <sipa> i'm sure that if i'd write an altcoin, there result would be a much smaller codebase than bitcoin currently has
666 2013-09-27 19:54:30 <sipa> there is a ton of legacy stuff you don't need
667 2013-09-27 19:54:59 <sphered> inflation. Simple enough. my coin will and does have an algorithm that makes sure inflation is at a pre-determined level
668 2013-09-27 19:55:15 <gmaxwell> so do half a dozen other useless altcoins.
669 2013-09-27 19:55:19 <sipa> fair enough, so does bitcoin
670 2013-09-27 19:55:28 <sipa> any actual technical changes?
671 2013-09-27 19:55:33 <sphered> price control mechanisim
672 2013-09-27 19:55:52 <sipa> how do you do that without central party that guarantees an exchange rate?
673 2013-09-27 19:56:46 <sphered> this price mechanism once enabled will prevent the pump and dump however can''t be enabled until the price of the coin is chosen by the markets
674 2013-09-27 19:56:59 <sipa> you haven't answered my question
675 2013-09-27 19:57:33 <sphered> the mechanism don't keep the coins in a fixed position or fixed cost but stop spikes.
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677 2013-09-27 19:57:57 <sipa> and how would you do that?
678 2013-09-27 19:58:03 <sphered> a liquid reserve will be built
679 2013-09-27 19:58:06 <gmaxwell> It also gives every needy child a free kitten, bringing happiness and ending hunger.
680 2013-09-27 19:58:13 <sipa> sphered: by whom?
681 2013-09-27 19:58:16 <sphered> mix of bitcoins and the new currency
682 2013-09-27 19:58:29 <sphered> me
683 2013-09-27 19:58:46 <gmaxwell> sphered: so... why not have this reserve bank ("you") just keep track of all accounts and eliminate the mess and complexity of a blockchain?
684 2013-09-27 19:58:46 <sipa> ok, so you're the dictator of the currency, who will be able to control its price?
685 2013-09-27 19:58:55 <chmod755> fractional reserve coin lol
686 2013-09-27 19:59:03 <chmod755> FRC is already taken iirc
687 2013-09-27 19:59:24 <sipa> BBC... benbernankecoin
688 2013-09-27 19:59:33 <sphered> yes and no. the system will take care of it.
689 2013-09-27 19:59:48 <sipa> right :D
690 2013-09-27 19:59:55 <sphered> :/
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693 2013-09-27 20:00:16 <gmaxwell> This conversation is maximally boring.
694 2013-09-27 20:00:50 <sphered> anyway i dont want to go into too much detail. sipa i would like it if you could help but if you don't want to please say so. so that i don't waste my time
695 2013-09-27 20:01:05 <sipa> i'm not interested
696 2013-09-27 20:01:12 <sphered> great cheers
697 2013-09-27 20:01:20 <chmod755> sphered, make a bitcoin gambling website with a house-edge of 100% instead
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702 2013-09-27 20:05:29 <erska_> those ideas sounded pretty similar to solidcoin / microcash.. that didn't work out too well either
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737 2013-09-27 21:00:48 <midnightmagic> +1 benbernankecoin
738 2013-09-27 21:01:18 <midnightmagic> aw he left :(
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741 2013-09-27 21:02:09 <sipa> you can answer here: http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/13497/send-coins-to-accounts
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792 2013-09-27 21:58:36 <Vinnie_win> Guys question, I need to put together a virtual appliance so that I can test the ripple build with many different combinations of compiler, boost version, standard library version, and other external dependency versions do you have any tips on how to do that? Is gitian a good choice? I like that it uses virtual machines...does the bitcoin build process test the build using a fresh virtual
793 2013-09-27 21:58:36 <Vinnie_win> machine corresponding to each target os?
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815 2013-09-27 22:06:55 <sipa> Vinnie_win: gitian is so we have a reproducible build environment
816 2013-09-27 22:07:08 <sipa> Vinnie_win: so that anyone (with some effort...) can reproduce the release binaries
817 2013-09-27 22:07:21 <sipa> and be sure they are produced from the published source code
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831 2013-09-27 22:32:33 <Vinnie_win> Thanks
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846 2013-09-27 23:08:10 <maaku> i'm trying to bundle up the Mac dmg, and I get the following error:
847 2013-09-27 23:08:10 <maaku> subprocess.CalledProcessError: Command '['install_name_tool', '-change', '/opt/local/lib/libjpeg.9.dylib', '@executable_path/../Frameworks/libjpeg.9.dylib', 'dist/Bitcoin-Qt.app/Contents/Frameworks/libtiff.5.dylib']' returned non-zero exit status 1
848 2013-09-27 23:08:17 <maaku> am i missing a step?
849 2013-09-27 23:08:37 <warren> gmaxwell: jgarzik: FWIW, we just got a report from a MacOS X user with encrypted partitions of what sounds like corrupted blocks on disk, -reindex doesn't fix it. We're giving him a build to test the second fsync patch.
850 2013-09-27 23:10:20 <sipa> warren: if the blocks are corrupted on disk, nothing will help but downloading the blocks again
851 2013-09-27 23:12:14 <warren> sipa: I know. It happened to him 3 times in a row when we've been unable to reproduce it at all. doesn't that second fsync patch have to do with corrupted on-disk blocks?
852 2013-09-27 23:12:20 <warren> or preventing it rather
853 2013-09-27 23:12:27 <warren> anyway, we'll have him test it soon
854 2013-09-27 23:12:49 <maaku> warren:failing disk?
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856 2013-09-27 23:13:28 <warren> maaku: user reports only encrypted partition and reproducing the failure repeatedly, needing to wipe blocks each time
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860 2013-09-27 23:15:19 <Neozonz> warren, have the user check memory
861 2013-09-27 23:15:36 <Neozonz> could be bad ram
862 2013-09-27 23:17:25 <warren> Neozonz: there is a known MacOS X corruption issue https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/2770
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865 2013-09-27 23:19:51 <warren> Neozonz: the user reports -reindex fails at the same place each try, so it sounds like corrupted blocks
866 2013-09-27 23:20:08 <maaku> found the problem, needs -headerpad_max_install_names in LDFLAGS for RELEASE build
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872 2013-09-27 23:49:49 <Neozonz> ah
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