1 2013-10-02 00:01:28 ThomasV has joined
2 2013-10-02 00:05:19 a_meteor has joined
3 2013-10-02 00:05:23 reneg has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
4 2013-10-02 00:06:01 the_2nd has quit (Quit: bye)
5 2013-10-02 00:25:03 Julius_129 has joined
6 2013-10-02 00:26:12 Julius129 has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
7 2013-10-02 00:26:13 denom has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
8 2013-10-02 00:27:02 CheckDavid has quit (Quit: Leaving)
9 2013-10-02 00:28:31 macboz has joined
10 2013-10-02 00:28:45 <coingenuity> jaychristopher: (floatval)$amount
11 2013-10-02 00:28:47 <coingenuity> just fyi
12 2013-10-02 00:29:02 <jaychristopher> i just added 0
13 2013-10-02 00:29:11 <jaychristopher> $amount = $amount + 0;
14 2013-10-02 00:29:17 <jaychristopher> any advantage to doing floatval?/
15 2013-10-02 00:29:28 <coingenuity> change the data type to float, it's more reliable
16 2013-10-02 00:29:42 <coingenuity> you could send the wrong amount of BTC if your code is buggy with the maths
17 2013-10-02 00:29:43 <jaychristopher> okay cool, will do thanks
18 2013-10-02 00:29:46 <coingenuity> np
19 2013-10-02 00:32:51 patcon has joined
20 2013-10-02 00:33:32 flibbr-dev has joined
21 2013-10-02 00:33:47 patcon has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
22 2013-10-02 00:35:29 patcon has joined
23 2013-10-02 00:37:40 <flibbr-dev> anyone know anything or got any updates on progress of : https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2861
24 2013-10-02 00:38:07 <jgarzik> flibbr-dev, functionally it is pretty much complete
25 2013-10-02 00:38:28 <jgarzik> flibbr-dev, but watch-only address support is blocked on a cultural argument of "watch only wallets make more sense"
26 2013-10-02 00:38:57 <jgarzik> because mixing watch-only and normal addresses results in all addresses appearing in 'getinfo' balance, and other wallet reporting functions.
27 2013-10-02 00:39:06 <jgarzik> That may or may not be what is expected.
28 2013-10-02 00:39:10 <sipa> there have been complaints that it is overly complex, because few need a wallet with mixed nornal and watchonly addresses
29 2013-10-02 00:39:30 <sipa> and i think that makes sense
30 2013-10-02 00:39:54 <sipa> the problem is that the alternative is much mote useful in combination with multiwallet
31 2013-10-02 00:40:04 <sipa> which doesn't seem to be going anywhere
32 2013-10-02 00:40:23 <Luke-Jr> I'd think there'd also be a problem of an ever growing "balance" on the mixed wallet :p
33 2013-10-02 00:40:32 <Luke-Jr> since addresses are only used for receiving
34 2013-10-02 00:41:00 <jgarzik> yes
35 2013-10-02 00:41:05 apurplehorse has joined
36 2013-10-02 00:41:05 <jgarzik> Â
but that may be useful
37 2013-10-02 00:41:13 <jgarzik> you can monitor cold + hot storage
38 2013-10-02 00:41:38 <sipa> it becomes even more useful in combination with bip32 where change addresses are automatically added and dervied
39 2013-10-02 00:41:45 one_zero has joined
40 2013-10-02 00:41:59 <sipa> though that is technically mostly orthogonal
41 2013-10-02 00:42:12 <gmaxwell> it occured to me that the current output locking we have is also a lot like watching wallets.
42 2013-10-02 00:42:26 <jgarzik> wallet needs to make that persistent
43 2013-10-02 00:42:33 <jgarzik> as a next step for locked outputs
44 2013-10-02 00:42:37 <gmaxwell> agreed.
45 2013-10-02 00:42:47 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: that would show transactions spending coins created by those watch-only addresses
46 2013-10-02 00:42:59 <gmaxwell> But perhaps we should have a "locked" balance, and in that case then any watching keys are just always locked and not unlockable?
47 2013-10-02 00:43:19 <jgarzik> that is an interesting point, though. Had not thought of locked outputs as watch-only, but functionally that is the case.
48 2013-10-02 00:43:30 <jgarzik> and it does create a multi-balance situation.
49 2013-10-02 00:43:34 <jgarzik> (which I did know)
50 2013-10-02 00:43:58 <sipa> why do interesting discussions always happen here when i'm supposed to be asleep? :(
51 2013-10-02 00:44:06 <jgarzik> gmaxwell, I think that is a useful model, yes
52 2013-10-02 00:44:12 <jgarzik> works nicely for both features
53 2013-10-02 00:44:27 <gmaxwell> I also suspect that 'lockunspent' really needs a saved reason. A couple times now I've been unable to figure out _why_ I had an output locked.
54 2013-10-02 00:44:49 <midnightmagic> sipa: because I have to go home and make tunafish sandwiches. :(
55 2013-10-02 00:44:54 <Luke-Jr> lol
56 2013-10-02 00:45:21 <sipa> ewww tunafish
57 2013-10-02 00:45:29 <sipa> sounds fishy
58 2013-10-02 00:45:33 <midnightmagic> yum yum. certified dolphin-free
59 2013-10-02 00:45:33 <gmaxwell> (I'd also been thinking about some settings that automatically locked some inputsâ e.g. people paying dust to your old change addresses... which was why I noticed the watching symmetry)
60 2013-10-02 00:45:48 CircusPeanut has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
61 2013-10-02 00:46:11 <jgarzik> gmaxwell, should be straightforward to add a comment, when storing the output locks in wallet
62 2013-10-02 00:46:55 MiningBuddy has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
63 2013-10-02 00:47:08 MiningBuddy has joined
64 2013-10-02 00:47:08 MiningBuddy has quit (Changing host)
65 2013-10-02 00:47:08 MiningBuddy has joined
66 2013-10-02 00:47:08 malaimo has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
67 2013-10-02 00:47:09 <gmaxwell> (and, if you're auto-locking outputs like that, you'd really want a balance of locked outputs displayed... (so you don't go ditching a good wallet with funds in it because they're all locked)... and thus the symmetry)
68 2013-10-02 00:47:44 MiningBuddy has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
69 2013-10-02 00:47:46 MiningBuddy- has joined
70 2013-10-02 00:47:46 <sipa> interesting
71 2013-10-02 00:48:21 btcbtc has quit (Quit: btcbtc)
72 2013-10-02 00:48:26 <sipa> i'll see if i can retrofit the watchonly coins into islocked
73 2013-10-02 00:48:37 MiningBuddy has joined
74 2013-10-02 00:48:45 MiningBuddy has quit (Changing host)
75 2013-10-02 00:48:45 MiningBuddy has joined
76 2013-10-02 00:49:00 MiningBuddy- has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
77 2013-10-02 00:49:20 malaimo has joined
78 2013-10-02 00:49:41 <jgarzik> Appears straightforward to update the array-of-objects that RPC 'lockunspent' receives, to add a 'comment' field to each object.
79 2013-10-02 00:50:16 <jgarzik> I guess we want a spendable-balance and unspendable-balance
80 2013-10-02 00:50:39 <jgarzik> (where 'balance' == spendable balance, for backwards compat)
81 2013-10-02 00:51:02 datagutt has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
82 2013-10-02 00:51:09 <Luke-Jr> with an encrypted wallet, should 100% be unspendable? ;)
83 2013-10-02 00:53:16 razorfishsl has joined
84 2013-10-02 00:53:17 osmosis has quit (Quit: Leaving)
85 2013-10-02 00:54:01 <sipa> Luke-Jr: what would that mean in practice?
86 2013-10-02 00:54:23 <sipa> just that it's listed under unspendable-balance?
87 2013-10-02 00:54:36 <sipa> if that's the only effect, i'd say
88 2013-10-02 00:54:39 <sipa> no
89 2013-10-02 00:55:17 <sipa> though it may make sense to convert an encrypted wallet into a watch-only wallet
90 2013-10-02 00:56:34 ivan`_ is now known as ivan`
91 2013-10-02 00:57:43 <sipa> maybe just add a boolean to getbalance, to select whether wat honly/locked coins should be included
92 2013-10-02 00:57:59 pber_ has quit (Quit: Quit)
93 2013-10-02 00:58:21 * sipa zZzZ
94 2013-10-02 00:58:49 pber has joined
95 2013-10-02 00:58:52 <jgarzik> sipa, yah, that would be fine for 'getbalance'
96 2013-10-02 00:59:09 <jgarzik> though I think the kitchen sink (aka getinfo) should go ahead and display all balances
97 2013-10-02 00:59:26 <jgarzik> Luke-Jr, no
98 2013-10-02 00:59:30 patcon has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
99 2013-10-02 00:59:52 patcon has joined
100 2013-10-02 01:03:03 btcbtc has joined
101 2013-10-02 01:04:17 [7] has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
102 2013-10-02 01:04:35 TheSeven has joined
103 2013-10-02 01:04:41 Zoop_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
104 2013-10-02 01:05:24 gst has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
105 2013-10-02 01:05:34 mappum has joined
106 2013-10-02 01:10:21 Zoop_ has joined
107 2013-10-02 01:11:49 one_zero has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
108 2013-10-02 01:17:18 afrikanknightmar has quit (Quit: Leaving)
109 2013-10-02 01:20:23 bbbrian has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
110 2013-10-02 01:21:00 one_zero has joined
111 2013-10-02 01:23:31 reneg_ has joined
112 2013-10-02 01:25:12 reneg__ has joined
113 2013-10-02 01:26:05 <owowo> http://isthegovernmentopen.com/images/obama.gif
114 2013-10-02 01:26:18 <owowo> oops, wrong channel
115 2013-10-02 01:26:55 rodarmor has joined
116 2013-10-02 01:27:43 reneg_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
117 2013-10-02 01:31:18 stochasm has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
118 2013-10-02 01:34:53 patcon has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
119 2013-10-02 01:35:31 patcon has joined
120 2013-10-02 01:35:43 a_meteor has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
121 2013-10-02 01:36:43 stochasm has joined
122 2013-10-02 01:37:01 FabianB has joined
123 2013-10-02 01:37:13 rodarmor has left ()
124 2013-10-02 01:37:43 FabianB_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
125 2013-10-02 01:41:18 paraipan has joined
126 2013-10-02 01:45:32 patcon has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
127 2013-10-02 01:45:57 patcon has joined
128 2013-10-02 01:51:20 ticean_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
129 2013-10-02 01:51:50 ticean has joined
130 2013-10-02 01:52:03 sacrelege has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
131 2013-10-02 01:52:38 skinnkavaj has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
132 2013-10-02 01:54:34 ThomasV has quit (Quit: Quitte)
133 2013-10-02 01:56:11 ticean has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
134 2013-10-02 01:57:36 paraipan has quit (Quit: Saliendo)
135 2013-10-02 02:01:25 a_meteor has joined
136 2013-10-02 02:04:32 digitalmagus has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
137 2013-10-02 02:05:08 roconnor has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
138 2013-10-02 02:06:12 patcon has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
139 2013-10-02 02:06:18 patcon has joined
140 2013-10-02 02:06:56 Krellan__ has joined
141 2013-10-02 02:07:15 Sealy has quit (Quit: Sealy)
142 2013-10-02 02:07:20 ticean has joined
143 2013-10-02 02:10:30 Krellan_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
144 2013-10-02 02:11:03 Krellan__ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
145 2013-10-02 02:12:41 aceat64 has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
146 2013-10-02 02:14:00 patcon has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
147 2013-10-02 02:14:05 CryptoBuck has joined
148 2013-10-02 02:15:41 CircusPeanut has joined
149 2013-10-02 02:16:18 patcon has joined
150 2013-10-02 02:16:43 Application has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
151 2013-10-02 02:17:19 Subo1977 has joined
152 2013-10-02 02:18:15 ticean has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
153 2013-10-02 02:20:44 Subo1977_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
154 2013-10-02 02:21:30 bizoro has joined
155 2013-10-02 02:21:30 bizoro has quit (Changing host)
156 2013-10-02 02:21:30 bizoro has joined
157 2013-10-02 02:22:43 digitalmagus has joined
158 2013-10-02 02:27:17 aceat64 has joined
159 2013-10-02 02:38:54 razorfishsl has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
160 2013-10-02 02:41:44 Guest10015 has joined
161 2013-10-02 02:42:12 luckyjeans has joined
162 2013-10-02 02:42:34 a_meteor has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
163 2013-10-02 02:44:44 ForceMajeure_ has joined
164 2013-10-02 02:47:32 ForceMajeure has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
165 2013-10-02 02:48:03 Coincidental has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
166 2013-10-02 02:48:39 Coincidental has joined
167 2013-10-02 02:49:03 numismatics has joined
168 2013-10-02 02:49:11 numismatics has left ("Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com")
169 2013-10-02 02:49:35 btcbtc has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
170 2013-10-02 02:51:30 ticean has joined
171 2013-10-02 02:52:51 Coincidental has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
172 2013-10-02 02:53:01 mapppum has joined
173 2013-10-02 02:56:11 mappum has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
174 2013-10-02 02:58:02 johnsoft has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
175 2013-10-02 02:59:03 johnsoft has joined
176 2013-10-02 03:03:27 paracyst has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
177 2013-10-02 03:03:47 patcon has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
178 2013-10-02 03:03:52 patcon_ has joined
179 2013-10-02 03:04:23 Zoop_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
180 2013-10-02 03:04:27 paracyst has joined
181 2013-10-02 03:08:14 luckyjeans has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
182 2013-10-02 03:09:59 Zoop_ has joined
183 2013-10-02 03:12:46 btcbtc has joined
184 2013-10-02 03:13:29 Sealy has joined
185 2013-10-02 03:14:49 emryss has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
186 2013-10-02 03:15:58 CircusPeanut has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
187 2013-10-02 03:18:44 jgarzik_ has joined
188 2013-10-02 03:18:55 jgarzik has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
189 2013-10-02 03:19:28 mapppum has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
190 2013-10-02 03:24:21 mappum has joined
191 2013-10-02 03:25:03 Jere_Jones has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
192 2013-10-02 03:25:22 Jere_Jones has joined
193 2013-10-02 03:26:20 PRab has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
194 2013-10-02 03:27:01 melvster has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
195 2013-10-02 03:27:12 digitalmagus has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
196 2013-10-02 03:27:15 PRab has joined
197 2013-10-02 03:27:17 digitalmagus2 has joined
198 2013-10-02 03:27:41 cads has joined
199 2013-10-02 03:30:50 Sealy has quit (Quit: Sealy)
200 2013-10-02 03:32:51 Sealy has joined
201 2013-10-02 03:33:13 reneg__ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
202 2013-10-02 03:34:11 Guest10015 has quit (Quit: Leaving)
203 2013-10-02 03:34:58 thrasher`` has joined
204 2013-10-02 03:35:04 reneg has joined
205 2013-10-02 03:35:55 malaimo has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
206 2013-10-02 03:36:03 thrasher` has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
207 2013-10-02 03:39:08 coblee has joined
208 2013-10-02 03:39:19 Sealy has quit (Quit: Sealy)
209 2013-10-02 03:40:57 macboz has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
210 2013-10-02 03:41:14 Application has joined
211 2013-10-02 03:41:34 TheSeven has quit (Disconnected by services)
212 2013-10-02 03:41:44 [7] has joined
213 2013-10-02 03:42:39 freewil has joined
214 2013-10-02 03:42:53 malaimo has joined
215 2013-10-02 03:43:15 Coincidental has joined
216 2013-10-02 03:46:22 macboz has joined
217 2013-10-02 03:48:42 <flibbr-dev> sipa, jgarzik, sorry for the slow replys, thanks for the intel & appreciate this discussion re the watch only addresses. I'm doing some dev work and right now, the only way for me to listunspent for a address [my site creates 'web wallets'] is to query blockchain.info/unspent?address=. . but this feature would obviously allow local watching which would be massively help (not having to
218 2013-10-02 03:48:42 <flibbr-dev> rely on 3rd party provider). .
219 2013-10-02 03:51:27 <flibbr-dev> I agree 'balance' should in theory show 'spendable balance' and can also understand possible side with the 'watch only wallets' though if this creates unessesary bloat / complication I do not know.
220 2013-10-02 03:52:56 Eleuthria has joined
221 2013-10-02 03:56:43 <flibbr-dev> If I had funding or c++ skills I'd contribute towards getting this watch only addresses finalized off. I think for merchant support, security is a top priority, and that to me means creating 'web wallets', ie, storing the privatekey encrypted in the database. . which means their wallet for my site is not actually in my wallet. . so this type of feature would be very helpful.
222 2013-10-02 03:58:35 <CodeShark> I got a little bit of the latter - and am working towards a good solution to this problem...
223 2013-10-02 03:59:12 <CodeShark> if I could only get passed this tedious hurdle of setting up a good build environment :p
224 2013-10-02 04:06:24 owowo has quit (Quit: dead)
225 2013-10-02 04:06:25 <flibbr-dev> CodeShark, sounds good to me :)
226 2013-10-02 04:08:20 ericmuyser has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
227 2013-10-02 04:08:46 <CodeShark> is there a simple way to get g++ to stop filling my screen with errors immediately upon encountering the first fatal error so I can easily experiment with different commands without having to scroll through thousands of lines?
228 2013-10-02 04:09:02 vub has joined
229 2013-10-02 04:09:23 rawdr has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
230 2013-10-02 04:10:39 rawdr has joined
231 2013-10-02 04:10:49 <CodeShark> there's -Wfatal-errors, but an error can be thousands of lines long :(
232 2013-10-02 04:11:30 Eleuthria has left ()
233 2013-10-02 04:14:46 [\\\] has joined
234 2013-10-02 04:14:50 [\\\]_g has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
235 2013-10-02 04:17:35 CryptoBuck has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
236 2013-10-02 04:21:11 reneg has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
237 2013-10-02 04:26:24 weex has quit (Quit: leaving)
238 2013-10-02 04:27:05 imsaguy has joined
239 2013-10-02 04:29:29 patcon_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
240 2013-10-02 04:29:45 patcon has joined
241 2013-10-02 04:34:08 reneg has joined
242 2013-10-02 04:36:31 reneg_ has joined
243 2013-10-02 04:37:07 agnostic98 has joined
244 2013-10-02 04:37:08 agnostic98 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
245 2013-10-02 04:38:45 CryptoBuck has joined
246 2013-10-02 04:38:53 reneg has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
247 2013-10-02 04:42:38 Jere_Jones has quit ()
248 2013-10-02 04:42:46 agnostic98 has joined
249 2013-10-02 04:44:23 enikanorov has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
250 2013-10-02 04:44:53 reneg_ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
251 2013-10-02 04:45:19 reneg has joined
252 2013-10-02 04:46:33 reneg_ has joined
253 2013-10-02 04:46:39 btcbtc has quit (Quit: btcbtc)
254 2013-10-02 04:46:54 reneg has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
255 2013-10-02 04:47:31 Namworld has quit ()
256 2013-10-02 04:47:31 bizoro_ has joined
257 2013-10-02 04:47:31 bizoro_ has quit (Client Quit)
258 2013-10-02 04:47:45 bizoro has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
259 2013-10-02 04:50:49 WKNiGHT has quit (Excess Flood)
260 2013-10-02 04:51:53 Guest39214 has joined
261 2013-10-02 04:55:30 weex has joined
262 2013-10-02 05:00:47 Coincidental has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
263 2013-10-02 05:01:05 freewil has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
264 2013-10-02 05:01:21 Coincidental has joined
265 2013-10-02 05:04:29 [\\\]_y has joined
266 2013-10-02 05:05:23 Coincidental has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
267 2013-10-02 05:05:53 [\\\] has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
268 2013-10-02 05:08:28 paracyst has quit ()
269 2013-10-02 05:08:55 knotwork has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
270 2013-10-02 05:09:48 bbbrian has joined
271 2013-10-02 05:10:31 agnostic98 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
272 2013-10-02 05:11:20 agnostic98 has joined
273 2013-10-02 05:11:50 Coincidental has joined
274 2013-10-02 05:16:27 Plinker_ has joined
275 2013-10-02 05:22:04 freewil has joined
276 2013-10-02 05:24:45 knotwork has joined
277 2013-10-02 05:24:45 knotwork has quit (Changing host)
278 2013-10-02 05:24:45 knotwork has joined
279 2013-10-02 05:25:48 agnostic98 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
280 2013-10-02 05:34:11 agnostic98 has joined
281 2013-10-02 05:34:28 toffoo has quit ()
282 2013-10-02 05:34:51 reneg_ has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
283 2013-10-02 05:36:06 agnostic98 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
284 2013-10-02 05:36:09 agnostic_ has joined
285 2013-10-02 05:36:50 Julius_129 has quit ()
286 2013-10-02 05:38:18 btcbtc has joined
287 2013-10-02 05:38:38 agnostic_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
288 2013-10-02 05:39:13 reneg has joined
289 2013-10-02 05:39:30 weex has quit (Quit: leaving)
290 2013-10-02 05:39:47 weex has joined
291 2013-10-02 05:44:09 ThomasV has joined
292 2013-10-02 05:45:38 freewil has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
293 2013-10-02 05:51:07 patcon has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
294 2013-10-02 05:55:35 reizuki__ has joined
295 2013-10-02 06:02:01 vub has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
296 2013-10-02 06:09:40 agnostic98 has joined
297 2013-10-02 06:17:04 msvb-lab has joined
298 2013-10-02 06:17:41 magicpig has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
299 2013-10-02 06:18:03 agnostic98 has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
300 2013-10-02 06:18:06 RoboTedd_ has joined
301 2013-10-02 06:21:09 Dagger2 has quit (Quit: Quitting)
302 2013-10-02 06:21:50 RoboTeddy has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
303 2013-10-02 06:22:26 RoboTedd_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
304 2013-10-02 06:23:09 Dagger2 has joined
305 2013-10-02 06:24:01 Polyatomic has joined
306 2013-10-02 06:24:01 Belxjander has quit (Quit: Sayonara)
307 2013-10-02 06:26:01 [\\\]_y has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
308 2013-10-02 06:28:14 jgarzik_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
309 2013-10-02 06:29:54 KillYourTV has joined
310 2013-10-02 06:31:20 jgarzik has joined
311 2013-10-02 06:31:20 jgarzik has quit (Changing host)
312 2013-10-02 06:31:20 jgarzik has joined
313 2013-10-02 06:33:58 the_2nd has joined
314 2013-10-02 06:34:37 Belxjander has joined
315 2013-10-02 06:34:59 Sidnicious has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
316 2013-10-02 06:37:54 Sidnicious has joined
317 2013-10-02 06:45:18 Anduck has joined
318 2013-10-02 06:49:47 AusBitBank has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
319 2013-10-02 06:50:45 AusBitBank has joined
320 2013-10-02 06:50:50 Coincidental has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
321 2013-10-02 06:51:11 magicpig has joined
322 2013-10-02 06:51:23 Coincidental has joined
323 2013-10-02 06:55:55 Coincidental has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
324 2013-10-02 06:58:43 magicpig has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
325 2013-10-02 07:00:28 magicpig has joined
326 2013-10-02 07:01:08 ovidiusoft has joined
327 2013-10-02 07:04:19 Eiii has quit ()
328 2013-10-02 07:04:59 CodesInChaos_ has joined
329 2013-10-02 07:06:02 magicpig has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
330 2013-10-02 07:07:08 a_meteor has joined
331 2013-10-02 07:07:45 magicpig has joined
332 2013-10-02 07:13:11 ticean has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
333 2013-10-02 07:13:32 Coincidental has joined
334 2013-10-02 07:18:51 magicpig has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
335 2013-10-02 07:20:43 magicpig has joined
336 2013-10-02 07:24:15 ticean has joined
337 2013-10-02 07:25:29 AusBitBank has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
338 2013-10-02 07:25:49 RoboTeddy has joined
339 2013-10-02 07:26:28 RoboTeddy has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
340 2013-10-02 07:26:34 RoboTedd_ has joined
341 2013-10-02 07:27:15 magicpig has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
342 2013-10-02 07:28:34 AusBitBank has joined
343 2013-10-02 07:30:08 MC1984 has joined
344 2013-10-02 07:31:16 mappum has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
345 2013-10-02 07:32:17 djcoin has joined
346 2013-10-02 07:33:55 btcera has joined
347 2013-10-02 07:38:59 magicpig has joined
348 2013-10-02 07:42:18 Squidicuz has quit (Quit: Leaving)
349 2013-10-02 07:45:50 cads has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
350 2013-10-02 07:46:41 magicpig has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
351 2013-10-02 07:47:01 AusBitBank has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
352 2013-10-02 07:48:05 AusBitBank has joined
353 2013-10-02 07:48:20 magicpig has joined
354 2013-10-02 07:54:34 Anduck has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
355 2013-10-02 07:56:04 Belxjander has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
356 2013-10-02 08:07:07 t7 has joined
357 2013-10-02 08:10:00 Belxjander has joined
358 2013-10-02 08:11:19 Thepok has joined
359 2013-10-02 08:11:23 _ingsoc has joined
360 2013-10-02 08:13:06 magicpig has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
361 2013-10-02 08:16:01 ticean has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
362 2013-10-02 08:37:29 CodeShark has quit (Quit: Goodbye)
363 2013-10-02 08:37:42 Coincidental has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
364 2013-10-02 08:38:18 Coincidental has joined
365 2013-10-02 08:40:51 Edward_Black has quit (Quit: ow ow ow...)
366 2013-10-02 08:42:17 macboz has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
367 2013-10-02 08:42:31 Coincidental has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
368 2013-10-02 08:50:04 ThomasV has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
369 2013-10-02 08:51:14 macboz has joined
370 2013-10-02 08:52:19 thrasher`` has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
371 2013-10-02 08:56:55 Polyatomic has quit (Quit: Catcha Round)
372 2013-10-02 08:58:33 btcbtc has quit (Quit: btcbtc)
373 2013-10-02 08:59:07 darkskiez has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
374 2013-10-02 09:05:07 reizuki__ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
375 2013-10-02 09:15:40 Polyatomic has joined
376 2013-10-02 09:16:00 apurplehorse has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
377 2013-10-02 09:19:21 emryss has joined
378 2013-10-02 09:21:09 epscy has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
379 2013-10-02 09:21:46 epscy has joined
380 2013-10-02 09:23:18 melvster has joined
381 2013-10-02 09:29:44 cads has joined
382 2013-10-02 09:30:27 Thepok has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
383 2013-10-02 09:32:37 ThomasV has joined
384 2013-10-02 09:44:59 skinnkavaj has joined
385 2013-10-02 09:46:09 msvb-lab has quit (Quit: msvb-lab)
386 2013-10-02 09:48:23 macboz_ has joined
387 2013-10-02 09:50:04 agnostic98 has joined
388 2013-10-02 09:51:23 macboz has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
389 2013-10-02 09:51:42 darkskiez has joined
390 2013-10-02 09:51:42 darkskiez has quit (Changing host)
391 2013-10-02 09:51:42 darkskiez has joined
392 2013-10-02 09:53:19 macboz_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
393 2013-10-02 09:54:24 <jgarzik> pushing another !pwalletMain change
394 2013-10-02 09:54:31 <jgarzik> cherry-picked from my no-wallet PR
395 2013-10-02 09:54:43 agnostic98 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
396 2013-10-02 09:55:05 michagogo has quit (cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
397 2013-10-02 09:55:39 poggy has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
398 2013-10-02 09:59:50 macboz_ has joined
399 2013-10-02 10:06:44 coingenuity has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
400 2013-10-02 10:07:27 zer0def has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
401 2013-10-02 10:08:02 ericmuyser has joined
402 2013-10-02 10:08:31 coingenuity has joined
403 2013-10-02 10:09:40 mrkent has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
404 2013-10-02 10:12:35 nba_btchip has quit (Quit: bai)
405 2013-10-02 10:20:40 agnostic98 has joined
406 2013-10-02 10:21:40 Vl4dim1r has joined
407 2013-10-02 10:24:59 agnostic98 has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
408 2013-10-02 10:29:24 macboz_ has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
409 2013-10-02 10:29:53 michagogo has joined
410 2013-10-02 10:37:04 CodesInChaos_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
411 2013-10-02 10:37:15 CodesInChaos_ has joined
412 2013-10-02 10:40:07 hydromet has joined
413 2013-10-02 10:42:38 <hydromet> Does anyone know if Dark Wallet makes use of the Stratum protocol?
414 2013-10-02 10:45:29 cads has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
415 2013-10-02 10:47:05 nowan has joined
416 2013-10-02 10:53:34 jgarzik has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
417 2013-10-02 10:54:38 a_meteor has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
418 2013-10-02 11:05:24 dansmithbtc2 has quit (Quit: I'm using a Free IRC Bouncer from BNC4FREE - http://bnc4free.com/)
419 2013-10-02 11:07:36 _ingsoc has quit (Quit: leaving)
420 2013-10-02 11:09:22 one_zero has quit ()
421 2013-10-02 11:15:11 reneg has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
422 2013-10-02 11:16:29 nowan has quit (Quit: Lost terminal)
423 2013-10-02 11:18:40 sacrelege has joined
424 2013-10-02 11:19:09 datagutt has joined
425 2013-10-02 11:22:13 reneg has joined
426 2013-10-02 11:22:38 jgarzik has joined
427 2013-10-02 11:22:38 jgarzik has quit (Changing host)
428 2013-10-02 11:22:38 jgarzik has joined
429 2013-10-02 11:23:17 coeus has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
430 2013-10-02 11:23:19 <jgarzik> mornin'
431 2013-10-02 11:23:55 Subo1977 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
432 2013-10-02 11:25:15 Subo1977 has joined
433 2013-10-02 11:36:55 CryptoBuck has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
434 2013-10-02 11:37:05 CryptoBuck has joined
435 2013-10-02 11:37:30 zer0def has joined
436 2013-10-02 11:38:30 Edward_Black has joined
437 2013-10-02 11:45:52 mrkent has joined
438 2013-10-02 11:46:32 hnz has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
439 2013-10-02 11:49:17 <melvster> jgarzik: morning ... saw your post on auth using digital sigs
440 2013-10-02 11:49:32 <melvster> i think that's the way to go, but browsers can already do this using SSL
441 2013-10-02 11:50:17 <melvster> the server sends a random number (challenge), and your private key signs it (using credentials in the browser ie a client side cert) and then you are authenticated
442 2013-10-02 11:50:47 <melvster> ive been using this to login to every website I build passwordlessly (is that a thing?) for about 5 ears
443 2013-10-02 11:50:49 <melvster> years
444 2013-10-02 11:51:16 poggy has joined
445 2013-10-02 11:51:18 <melvster> most browsers and web servers support this already
446 2013-10-02 11:51:28 <K1773R> melvster: ACK, thats the way to go :) tough only few websites/services support this (most due with GPG)
447 2013-10-02 11:51:44 <melvster> it's not GPG, it's X.509
448 2013-10-02 11:51:59 hnz has joined
449 2013-10-02 11:52:04 <hydromet> jgarzik: good morning
450 2013-10-02 11:52:06 <melvster> strangely GPG and X.509 have different formats for their private keys + certificates (means key value pairs)
451 2013-10-02 11:52:11 * jgarzik is just happy to poke people into thinking about anything other than passwords
452 2013-10-02 11:52:18 <jgarzik> New exchanges are popping up
453 2013-10-02 11:52:20 <jgarzik> securing millions
454 2013-10-02 11:52:23 <melvster> +1
455 2013-10-02 11:52:25 <jgarzik> and store passwords
456 2013-10-02 11:52:34 <K1773R> melvster: yea, i know. just wanted to support it by relating to the webservices which use GPG for auth
457 2013-10-02 11:52:36 <hydromet> indeed
458 2013-10-02 11:52:53 <hydromet> jgarzik: what do you make of Dark Wallet and if they might be using Stratum?
459 2013-10-02 11:53:02 <xeroc> login into inputs.io via gpg decrypt is a great 2fac
460 2013-10-02 11:53:15 <jgarzik> <shrug> Dark Wallet is uninteresting ploy for media attention
461 2013-10-02 11:53:19 <melvster> jgarzik: we just persuaded MIT to become an identity provider which will put certs in your browser so that you dont need passwords -- maybe people, however, like mozilla, argue that storing private keys on the client is too hard for users
462 2013-10-02 11:53:59 <melvster> i dont agree with that, but it's the dominant industry view
463 2013-10-02 11:55:21 <melvster> most things support RSA and DER ... ECDSA has less support but hopefully getting better!
464 2013-10-02 11:55:47 <melvster> some ECDSA curves are part of NSS but not the BTC one iirc, due to NIST recs
465 2013-10-02 11:55:57 <melvster> NIST recommends another curve
466 2013-10-02 11:55:59 Polyatomic has quit (Quit: Catcha Round)
467 2013-10-02 11:56:07 <jgarzik> that's a feature ;p
468 2013-10-02 11:56:24 <melvster> yeah! satoshi knew his stuff! :P
469 2013-10-02 11:56:38 <tgs3> satoshi <3
470 2013-10-02 11:56:48 <sipa> melvster: SEC standardized several curves, some of which were later (simultaneously?) standardized by NIST
471 2013-10-02 11:56:49 <melvster> even tho he says he picked it at random ... I *highly* doubt that! :D
472 2013-10-02 11:56:53 <nsh> satoshi keeps me safe on the road
473 2013-10-02 11:56:56 <nsh> and wards off vampires
474 2013-10-02 11:57:01 <melvster> lol
475 2013-10-02 11:57:14 <sipa> and it seems the one chosen by satoshi was purely SEC, without NIST "influence"
476 2013-10-02 11:57:22 <nsh> what keydepth was satoshi's public key?
477 2013-10-02 11:57:25 rdponticelli has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
478 2013-10-02 11:57:25 <nsh> RSA1024?
479 2013-10-02 11:57:30 <nsh> 2048?
480 2013-10-02 11:57:45 <melvster> sipa: there's an old forum post where he explains why he picked that curve ... but I'm sure that's not the whole story
481 2013-10-02 11:58:04 <sipa> melvster: i think it is
482 2013-10-02 11:58:28 <sipa> i don't consider satoshi a crypto expert
483 2013-10-02 11:58:40 <sipa> he just accidentally chose a nice curve
484 2013-10-02 11:58:46 <melvster> sipa: well sure ... but one thing about satoshi is that he researched stuff thoroughly
485 2013-10-02 11:59:51 <melvster> sipa: you could well be right ... but satoshi and accidentally are terms that dont often go together :)
486 2013-10-02 12:00:23 fanquake has joined
487 2013-10-02 12:00:29 <jgarzik> I think Satoshi picked a lot of bits off the shelf
488 2013-10-02 12:00:34 <jgarzik> (which was good)
489 2013-10-02 12:00:40 <sipa> yeah
490 2013-10-02 12:00:48 <melvster> 'bits' off the shelf :D
491 2013-10-02 12:00:53 <sipa> 256 of 'em!
492 2013-10-02 12:01:30 <sipa> melvster: note that in 2009, EC curves were less common, and it may just have been less clear that P-256 would end up being the "usual" 256 bit curve at time
493 2013-10-02 12:01:42 <melvster> true
494 2013-10-02 12:02:20 <hydromet> How much bitcoin would anyone like to bet me that Satoshi learned quite a bit from from David Chaum's failed attempts in the 1990s at e-cash?
495 2013-10-02 12:02:21 <hydromet> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Chaum
496 2013-10-02 12:02:34 <jgarzik> no bet, he said as much
497 2013-10-02 12:02:34 <hydromet> Chaum's problem in part was holding lots of patents
498 2013-10-02 12:02:45 rdponticelli has joined
499 2013-10-02 12:02:45 <jgarzik> Chaum's problem wasÂ
centralization
500 2013-10-02 12:02:56 <hydromet> centralization and patents
501 2013-10-02 12:02:59 <jgarzik> Chaum and OpenCoin followed amusingly similar paths
502 2013-10-02 12:03:06 <jgarzik> One company trying to bootstrap thing
503 2013-10-02 12:03:53 <hydromet> jgarzik: I do worry a bit that someone with deep VC pockets such as in Silicon Valley will try to figure out how to co-opt Bitcoin (despite its decentralized nature)
504 2013-10-02 12:04:26 <hydromet> just look at what the monster companies did with the 'net and the web (Facebook, Google et al
505 2013-10-02 12:04:56 <jgarzik> "figure out"? doubtful
506 2013-10-02 12:05:10 <melvster> hydromet: lol google already employ some bitcoin folks ;)
507 2013-10-02 12:05:18 <jgarzik> People with money and power can always co-opt bitcoin quite openly, no secrets to figure out
508 2013-10-02 12:05:23 <hydromet> yeah, I know that seems illogical of me to say
509 2013-10-02 12:05:59 <melvster> hydromet: yes satoshi has been active at least since 1998 ... he certainly knew about Chaum's work
510 2013-10-02 12:06:03 <hydromet> melvster: yes, I know (e.g., Mike)
511 2013-10-02 12:06:44 <melvster> to be fair i think google have been super supportive of bitcion to date ...
512 2013-10-02 12:06:59 <hydromet> how so?
513 2013-10-02 12:07:18 <melvster> paying devs, adding bitcion: URI scheme to chrome
514 2013-10-02 12:07:24 <hydromet> and in theory, why would Bitcoin need Google's support?
515 2013-10-02 12:07:41 <melvster> hydromet: it's free software, anyone is invited to help :)
516 2013-10-02 12:07:48 <hydromet> exactly
517 2013-10-02 12:08:02 <melvster> i dont think bitcion will be co opted, not easily ... it's on a great trajectory
518 2013-10-02 12:08:19 <hydromet> I'm a little bit cautious though on why anyone would be compelled to say "to be fair" to Google
519 2013-10-02 12:08:51 <hydromet> "don't be evil"
520 2013-10-02 12:08:56 <hydromet> Google motto
521 2013-10-02 12:08:56 <_dr> because they're screwing you over when they can to make money off you?
522 2013-10-02 12:09:04 <_dr> like any company does
523 2013-10-02 12:09:45 <_dr> "don't be stupid" :-)
524 2013-10-02 12:09:57 <hydromet> _dr: indeed
525 2013-10-02 12:10:04 bonks has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
526 2013-10-02 12:11:09 <hydromet> or "don't be naive" http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/02/technology/google-accused-of-wiretapping-in-gmail-scans.html
527 2013-10-02 12:11:20 <melvster> hydromet: i think people are slightly more cautious of all the big companies, post snowden
528 2013-10-02 12:11:53 bonks has joined
529 2013-10-02 12:13:17 daybyter has joined
530 2013-10-02 12:13:24 <hydromet> melvster: indeed and its refreshing they are so thanks to da kine Snowden
531 2013-10-02 12:13:27 <jgarzik> Anyone who uses GMail, yet thinks their email private, is a loon. This has been known since before Google even existed as a company (as others were doing webmail and adding anti-privacy clauses to ToS, to enable searching and such)
532 2013-10-02 12:14:12 Musk has joined
533 2013-10-02 12:15:02 Nesetalis has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
534 2013-10-02 12:15:44 <_dr> calls for a cypherpunk renaissance. i was positively surprised to read about an email provider on /. that plans to offer two-/threefish and skein in addition to the nist-/nsa-weakened standards
535 2013-10-02 12:16:02 <hydromet> Bitcoin is making some news as of yesterday via Reuters http://mobilebeta.reuters.com/bitcoin-buzz-grows-among-venture-investors-1
536 2013-10-02 12:16:21 <hydromet> such as with the Bitcoin Investment Trust (a ETF of sorts?)
537 2013-10-02 12:16:37 <jgarzik> Yes, BIT is like a bitcoin ETF.
538 2013-10-02 12:16:40 <melvster> hydromet: back to he topic, I'm pretty sure satoshi was very familiar with the work of chaum, adam back of course, maybe not so much nick szabo ... then there's old stuff like lucre etc.
539 2013-10-02 12:16:57 * jgarzik has been in contact with various folks trying to create a bitcoin ETF for 2+ years
540 2013-10-02 12:17:00 agricocb has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
541 2013-10-02 12:17:31 <melvster> jgarzik: talk to max keiser ... he wants to do something similar I believe
542 2013-10-02 12:17:39 <warren> those bitcoin ETF's are hurting the very thing that they are holding by taking units out of useful circulation
543 2013-10-02 12:17:47 <jgarzik> Max and RT areÂ
a bit much for my tastes.
544 2013-10-02 12:17:55 <sipa> well bitcoin is pretty much the exact opposite of chaumian e-money... it's decentralized but pseudonymous; e-money is centralized but anonymous
545 2013-10-02 12:18:30 <jgarzik> warren, eh not really
546 2013-10-02 12:18:31 <melvster> warren: but they multiply up the non base money supply
547 2013-10-02 12:18:40 <melvster> good old fractional reserve :)
548 2013-10-02 12:18:42 <hydromet> melvster: regarding Chaum, didn't the feds (gov) also sniff out the threat of e-cash and thus put out the fire before it got going (besides the centralization and patents issues)?
549 2013-10-02 12:19:03 <warren> I'd argue this point, but really need to sleep.
550 2013-10-02 12:19:19 CheckDavid has joined
551 2013-10-02 12:19:23 <tgs3> but wait the feds are good, no?
552 2013-10-02 12:19:41 <melvster> hydromet: something like that, but here wasnt a huge amount of development work going on, like there is today, there was true ledger and a few other bits and pieces ...
553 2013-10-02 12:19:48 <jgarzik> ETFs hold only as much as investors themselves want to hold. It functions as sort of a bitcoin wallet for people with USD and Charles Schwab account.
554 2013-10-02 12:19:50 <hydromet> jgarzik: any thoughts on the the BIT ETF just announced?
555 2013-10-02 12:20:02 <melvster> it took satoshi to really create a paradigm shift
556 2013-10-02 12:20:03 <jgarzik> hydromet, long predicted. great for bitcoin.
557 2013-10-02 12:20:21 <jgarzik> hydromet, Giving anybody with a brokerage account access to bitcoin is nice.
558 2013-10-02 12:20:47 <melvster> hmm ... but how do they determine the expiry price? average of exchanges?
559 2013-10-02 12:21:03 <hydromet> melvster: I think you're probably right about this (and just look at the feds in the U.S, the politicians can't keep the gov running 100% not to mention the perpetual debt ceiling problems)
560 2013-10-02 12:21:06 <xeroc> short question: isnt this the -dev channel .. this discussion perfectly fits to #bitcoin .. not the devel-chan. .. am i wrong?
561 2013-10-02 12:21:39 <warren> in practice things become on-topic in -dev because devs are talking about it. =P
562 2013-10-02 12:21:42 <melvster> xeroc: yes you're right :)
563 2013-10-02 12:21:44 <jgarzik> xeroc is correct :)
564 2013-10-02 12:22:06 <warren> apparently HPMOR was on topic a few weeks ago. (I still refuse to read it.)
565 2013-10-02 12:22:14 <xeroc> just mean .. if some are interssted in this talk .. and are not developers .. they will not be in -dev
566 2013-10-02 12:22:21 <sipa> warren: why?
567 2013-10-02 12:22:27 <hydromet> xeroc: good point
568 2013-10-02 12:22:35 <warren> sipa: oh no, you're another one? =)
569 2013-10-02 12:22:46 <sipa> warren: disclaimer: i never read HP itself
570 2013-10-02 12:23:05 <warren> me neither, and I'm aware that makes HPMOR better or something.
571 2013-10-02 12:23:20 <melvster> xeroc: thanks for the reminder, good point, in truth there's always a slight overlap between different IRC channels, hence "chat", but good to stay on topic ...
572 2013-10-02 12:23:40 <sipa> xeroc: it's sort-of inevitable that channels sometimes go offtopic, and imho, that's ok
573 2013-10-02 12:24:05 <sipa> xeroc: when people are talking about serious things, offtopic becomes offtopic automatically really :)
574 2013-10-02 12:24:18 <xeroc> sipa .. shure .. i just meant that at some point you may consider moving the discussion to #bitcoin...
575 2013-10-02 12:25:10 dansmithbtc2 has joined
576 2013-10-02 12:25:17 <sipa> i don't think it works like that... topics arise among people in a channel because they contribute to it; far from everyone will want to join another channel just to continue a discussion
577 2013-10-02 12:25:32 <sipa> i'm not saying you're wrong of course; sometimes things do get really offtopic here
578 2013-10-02 12:25:33 <xeroc> good point
579 2013-10-02 12:25:45 <xeroc> ^.^
580 2013-10-02 12:26:04 <Graet> nothing stopping ppl lurking in here and reading
581 2013-10-02 12:26:10 * Graet goes back to lurking
582 2013-10-02 12:26:38 <hydromet> xeroc: we could talk sports such as cricket or baseball and that would be quite OT :)
583 2013-10-02 12:27:01 <t7> is there a cricket irc channel?
584 2013-10-02 12:27:13 <sipa> only an ircket one
585 2013-10-02 12:27:14 <hydromet> t7: good question
586 2013-10-02 12:27:21 * xeroc did not want to interrupt anybody from discussing anything ....
587 2013-10-02 12:27:45 <sipa> xeroc: no worries :p
588 2013-10-02 12:27:49 <xeroc> i was just wondering about the talk ..
589 2013-10-02 12:27:52 <xeroc> ^.^
590 2013-10-02 12:27:55 <sipa> you just spawned a meta-discussion
591 2013-10-02 12:27:57 <Vl4dim1r> lurk
592 2013-10-02 12:29:04 <hydromet> xeroc: my apologies, I kind of spurred some of the OT about the Reuters article and ETFs ... even though this is the dev channel, its healthy to have some related topics such as what the world is reporting on about Bitcion
593 2013-10-02 12:29:15 <hydromet> it might have an influence on the developers?
594 2013-10-02 12:29:23 <hydromet> in terms of what to develop?
595 2013-10-02 12:29:44 <xeroc> no need for apologies ..
596 2013-10-02 12:30:08 <t7> take it to #bitcoin-meta guys
597 2013-10-02 12:30:38 <xeroc> hydromet: you are taking me too seriously .. i REALLY was just wondering about the non-technical talk here ..
598 2013-10-02 12:30:40 <hydromet> t7: there really is a #bitcoin-meta channel? I thought you were kind of joking before
599 2013-10-02 12:30:45 <sipa> can you please take your comments about moving to #bitcoin-meta to #bitcoin-meta-meta?
600 2013-10-02 12:30:51 <Graet> lol, lonely place that t7
601 2013-10-02 12:30:55 <xeroc> sipa lol
602 2013-10-02 12:31:04 <Graet> lol
603 2013-10-02 12:31:34 daybyter has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
604 2013-10-02 12:31:37 <t7> on meta.stackoverflow you can talk about meta.stackoverflow ... so maybe the meta channel is like that and we don't need infinity -metas
605 2013-10-02 12:32:02 <xeroc> reminds me of "to understand recursion ...."
606 2013-10-02 12:33:11 macboz has joined
607 2013-10-02 12:33:23 <jgarzik> please move discussions of #bitcoin-meta to #bitcoin-meta-meta
608 2013-10-02 12:33:37 <jgarzik> damn , sipa beat me to it
609 2013-10-02 12:33:47 * jgarzik needs more pseudo-coffee
610 2013-10-02 12:34:01 reneg has quit (Quit: -a- Connection Timed Out)
611 2013-10-02 12:34:16 reneg has joined
612 2013-10-02 12:34:41 daybyter has joined
613 2013-10-02 12:34:42 <K1773R> jgarzik: grep coffee /dev/urandom
614 2013-10-02 12:34:59 <melvster> while bitcoin has a *base* money supply of 21 million ... every time a balance is recorded in bitcoin, the *total* money supply goes up, so an ETF even if it does not take money out of the block chain can settle using it's cash reserves, and more bitcions can trade ... I think it's a good thing personally ... off block stuff is going to happen more and more, and that will help performance
615 2013-10-02 12:35:03 <K1773R> since u dont want a true coffee :P
616 2013-10-02 12:35:41 <sipa> melvster: ??
617 2013-10-02 12:36:10 <jgarzik> K1773R, American soda
618 2013-10-02 12:36:12 <xeroc> its about liquidity (is this the right term for that)
619 2013-10-02 12:36:29 <melvster> sipa: every time an IOU is written in bitcoin by a trusted party, there's a bigger overall supply out there, just like in the gold market many ETFs trade gold without owning 100% of the physical
620 2013-10-02 12:36:42 <melvster> it's leverage
621 2013-10-02 12:36:45 <sipa> melvster: oh, ok, sure
622 2013-10-02 12:36:54 <sipa> money as debt :)
623 2013-10-02 12:37:01 <melvster> exactly!
624 2013-10-02 12:37:34 <_dr> so we'll have real bitcoins and worthless bitcoins, great!
625 2013-10-02 12:37:41 lmatteis has joined
626 2013-10-02 12:37:46 <lmatteis> how is a Block generated?
627 2013-10-02 12:37:53 <jgarzik> ETFs aren't IOUs, at least in regulated markets. A bitcoin ETF /must/ be able to buy and sell the underlying commodity. Of course, the commodity may be bought or sold with a fractional reserve fiat currency, margin loans, or other instruments of debt and destruction.
628 2013-10-02 12:37:55 <lmatteis> like a block is a bunch of unverified transactions say
629 2013-10-02 12:38:08 <melvster> _dr: if you want real bitcions use the block chain and pay the transaction fee, and wait for the confirms ... that will always be available
630 2013-10-02 12:38:22 <jgarzik> (now this isn't strictly true on an hourly basis, but it must be true over a longer timescale)
631 2013-10-02 12:39:17 <_dr> can't wait for people to 'buy' worthless bitcoins, that can be printed just like $, to find out they're worth nada. way to boost confidence!
632 2013-10-02 12:40:32 <melvster> _dr: just wait for 3 confirms and you'll be fine
633 2013-10-02 12:40:39 <melvster> or dont deal with scammers
634 2013-10-02 12:40:55 Guest39214 has quit (Changing host)
635 2013-10-02 12:40:55 Guest39214 has joined
636 2013-10-02 12:41:04 Guest39214 is now known as WKNiGHT-
637 2013-10-02 12:41:23 <_dr> i was taking about fractional reserve bitcoin banking with ETFs or whatever it is called
638 2013-10-02 12:41:39 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|lmatteis: Miners remember transactions that they see
639 2013-10-02 12:41:57 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|They assemble transactions into a block, and then double-SHA256 the block
640 2013-10-02 12:42:00 <melvster> _dr: they will just settle at the market price if they run out ... that's more or less what the CFTC said about gold ETFs
641 2013-10-02 12:42:13 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|If the hash is low enough to be a valid block, they broadcast it
642 2013-10-02 12:42:26 <hydromet> the financial engineering of bitcoin
643 2013-10-02 12:42:30 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|If it's not, they change it very slightly and try again
644 2013-10-02 12:42:38 CircusPeanut has joined
645 2013-10-02 12:42:44 CircusPeanut has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
646 2013-10-02 12:42:49 fanquake has left ()
647 2013-10-02 12:43:27 stochasm has left ("Leaving")
648 2013-10-02 12:44:20 <melvster> jgarzik: I can give you a demo next week of how I do passwordless login using PKI, if you're interested?
649 2013-10-02 12:44:50 <jgarzik> melvster, I know SSL can do it easily
650 2013-10-02 12:44:56 <melvster> we may be able to apply the same to ECDSA, I know someone has written an extension to do it ...
651 2013-10-02 12:44:58 <melvster> for chrome
652 2013-10-02 12:45:00 <jgarzik> so few users have client certs though
653 2013-10-02 12:45:07 <melvster> yes very true
654 2013-10-02 12:46:02 <jgarzik> Another part of the authentication picture is simply usability. It's not a tech problem, per se. Must find a model that does not require any secrets on the website/server side.
655 2013-10-02 12:46:15 <melvster> jgarzik: did you see http://joecascio.net/joecblog/2013/03/25/collateralized-identity-using-bitcoin-to-suppress-sockpuppets/
656 2013-10-02 12:46:20 <jgarzik> the cert UIs and infrastructure are quite immature today
657 2013-10-02 12:46:31 <melvster> yes they are
658 2013-10-02 12:47:24 <melvster> "I've built a very small proof-of-concept that demonstrates registration and login to an example web site with a Chrome Extension and local http service that communicates with the Bitcoin-Qt reference wallet application using the standard bitcoin-json API. " -- Joe Casclo
659 2013-10-02 12:48:59 <melvster> jgarzik: we have a thread on identity + auth going at the w3c payments group ... if you're interested I can send you a link, or you can join the conversation ... there's quite a few btc folks on there now
660 2013-10-02 12:49:38 <jgarzik> melvster, https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Identity_protocol_v1
661 2013-10-02 12:49:54 <melvster> nice!
662 2013-10-02 12:50:03 <jgarzik> melvster, SIN is a bitcoin-address-like object, to which you attach digitally signed hashes (private) or keypairs (public)
663 2013-10-02 12:50:33 <jgarzik> melvster, SIN uses same ECDSA curve and other details as bitcoin
664 2013-10-02 12:50:39 <melvster> jgarzik: that's the way to go imho
665 2013-10-02 12:50:44 <jgarzik> you can even trivially convert a bitcoin address into a SIN, and vice versa
666 2013-10-02 12:50:53 <jgarzik> with the same key
667 2013-10-02 12:51:25 <melvster> jgarzik: why not just use the bitcoin: URI scheme or something like it?
668 2013-10-02 12:51:52 <jgarzik> melvster, I think it is important to separate SIN and bitcoin address conceptually
669 2013-10-02 12:52:10 <melvster> jgarzik: sure, that's true
670 2013-10-02 12:52:30 <melvster> ive been thinking about this too
671 2013-10-02 12:52:46 <melvster> there's a more general concept of 'digest URIs' di:
672 2013-10-02 12:52:47 <jgarzik> melvster, it is mechanical to convert, if that becomes necessary. But engineering efficiencies and safety (human psychology) benefit from separation, IMO
673 2013-10-02 12:52:51 <melvster> which I've been thinking about using
674 2013-10-02 12:52:58 <jgarzik> melvster, yeah that works
675 2013-10-02 12:53:18 <melvster> jgarzik: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hallambaker-digesturi-02
676 2013-10-02 12:53:40 <melvster> you can even do things like: http://di.example.com/.well-known/di/sha-256/
677 2013-10-02 12:53:40 <melvster> B_K97zTtFuOhug27fke4_Zgc4Myz4b_lZNgsQjy6fkc
678 2013-10-02 12:53:45 <melvster> so they get spidered
679 2013-10-02 12:54:49 <melvster> just mail the IETF guys if you have a use case that isnt covered
680 2013-10-02 12:55:00 <melvster> they are normally pretty helpful and happy to update stuff
681 2013-10-02 12:55:39 * melvster back to study! ... chat soon! :)
682 2013-10-02 12:57:38 [\\\] has joined
683 2013-10-02 12:58:03 reneg has quit (Quit: -a- Connection Timed Out)
684 2013-10-02 12:59:51 lmatteis has left ()
685 2013-10-02 13:03:10 reneg has joined
686 2013-10-02 13:04:42 ovidiusoft has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
687 2013-10-02 13:06:08 gritball has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
688 2013-10-02 13:06:30 Internet13 has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
689 2013-10-02 13:06:48 gritball has joined
690 2013-10-02 13:09:24 Internet13 has joined
691 2013-10-02 13:12:38 agricocb has joined
692 2013-10-02 13:16:55 psychophoniac has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
693 2013-10-02 13:18:53 MobGod_ has left ()
694 2013-10-02 13:19:16 ovidiusoft has joined
695 2013-10-02 13:19:21 MobGod has joined
696 2013-10-02 13:19:30 reneg has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
697 2013-10-02 13:21:16 reneg has joined
698 2013-10-02 13:22:52 ThomasV has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
699 2013-10-02 13:32:27 hydromet has left ()
700 2013-10-02 13:33:26 reneg has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
701 2013-10-02 13:35:45 reneg has joined
702 2013-10-02 13:37:53 ThomasV has joined
703 2013-10-02 13:38:14 ovidiusoft has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
704 2013-10-02 13:43:00 ovidiusoft has joined
705 2013-10-02 13:46:47 flibbr has joined
706 2013-10-02 13:47:33 daybyter has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
707 2013-10-02 13:49:08 flibbr-dev has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
708 2013-10-02 13:49:40 Perlboy has quit (Excess Flood)
709 2013-10-02 13:49:51 Perlboy has joined
710 2013-10-02 13:56:03 flibbr has quit ()
711 2013-10-02 13:59:20 AusBitBank has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
712 2013-10-02 13:59:27 beatysees has joined
713 2013-10-02 13:59:36 yubrew has joined
714 2013-10-02 14:05:05 Thepok has joined
715 2013-10-02 14:05:58 AusBitBank has joined
716 2013-10-02 14:06:10 beatysees has quit (Quit: leaving)
717 2013-10-02 14:09:26 ThomasV has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
718 2013-10-02 14:11:23 Anduck has joined
719 2013-10-02 14:11:23 Anduck has quit (Changing host)
720 2013-10-02 14:11:23 Anduck has joined
721 2013-10-02 14:12:52 macboz has quit (Quit: Leaving)
722 2013-10-02 14:12:55 Guest94822 has left ()
723 2013-10-02 14:13:04 amiller has joined
724 2013-10-02 14:15:45 reneg has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
725 2013-10-02 14:16:25 Insti has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
726 2013-10-02 14:19:46 reneg has joined
727 2013-10-02 14:20:14 helo is now known as beatysees
728 2013-10-02 14:20:53 helo has joined
729 2013-10-02 14:24:20 gritball_ has joined
730 2013-10-02 14:26:03 gritball has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
731 2013-10-02 14:29:02 [\\\] has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
732 2013-10-02 14:29:06 Odyessus has joined
733 2013-10-02 14:29:20 Insti has joined
734 2013-10-02 14:31:13 [\\\] has joined
735 2013-10-02 14:31:52 MiningBuddy has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
736 2013-10-02 14:32:22 Odyessus has quit (Client Quit)
737 2013-10-02 14:33:53 handle has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
738 2013-10-02 14:35:21 melvster has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
739 2013-10-02 14:35:49 tsche has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
740 2013-10-02 14:36:02 reneg has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
741 2013-10-02 14:36:37 melvster has joined
742 2013-10-02 14:37:59 reneg has joined
743 2013-10-02 14:40:59 denom has joined
744 2013-10-02 14:43:20 WKNiGHT- is now known as WKNiGHT
745 2013-10-02 14:46:44 ThomasV has joined
746 2013-10-02 14:46:56 AusBitBank has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
747 2013-10-02 14:48:29 Subo1977_ has joined
748 2013-10-02 14:48:45 Subo1977 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
749 2013-10-02 15:00:37 the_2nd has quit (Quit: bye)
750 2013-10-02 15:05:45 reneg has quit (Quit: -a- Connection Timed Out)
751 2013-10-02 15:06:00 reneg has joined
752 2013-10-02 15:06:38 [\\\] has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
753 2013-10-02 15:07:49 magicpig has joined
754 2013-10-02 15:09:05 Eiii has joined
755 2013-10-02 15:09:16 Neozonz has joined
756 2013-10-02 15:10:50 MiningBuddy has joined
757 2013-10-02 15:12:18 cyphase has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
758 2013-10-02 15:12:59 Neozonz has quit (Disc!~Neozonz@unaffiliated/neozonz|Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
759 2013-10-02 15:15:29 cyphase has joined
760 2013-10-02 15:26:10 taha has joined
761 2013-10-02 15:27:15 patcon has joined
762 2013-10-02 15:28:27 magicpig has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
763 2013-10-02 15:30:18 magicpig has joined
764 2013-10-02 15:37:44 t7 has quit (Quit: home)
765 2013-10-02 15:37:50 bizoro has joined
766 2013-10-02 15:38:26 the_2nd has joined
767 2013-10-02 15:40:15 gritball has joined
768 2013-10-02 15:40:54 Heimdall has joined
769 2013-10-02 15:42:10 ThomasV has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
770 2013-10-02 15:42:38 gritball_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
771 2013-10-02 15:42:46 patcon has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
772 2013-10-02 15:44:23 saulimus has joined
773 2013-10-02 15:46:35 reneg has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
774 2013-10-02 15:46:38 magicpig has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
775 2013-10-02 15:48:49 magicpig has joined
776 2013-10-02 15:49:11 ovidiusoft has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)
777 2013-10-02 15:50:03 reneg has joined
778 2013-10-02 15:51:23 _ingsoc has joined
779 2013-10-02 15:55:07 bbbrian has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
780 2013-10-02 15:57:26 <jgarzik> http://krebsonsecurity.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/UlbrichtCriminalComplaint.pdf </off-topic>
781 2013-10-02 15:57:50 RoboTedd_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
782 2013-10-02 15:59:33 <BlueMatt> nice! fbi finally shut it down
783 2013-10-02 16:01:20 DougieBot5000 has joined
784 2013-10-02 16:01:54 jgarzik has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
785 2013-10-02 16:01:56 marijnfs has joined
786 2013-10-02 16:02:07 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: it's a pretty wild document.
787 2013-10-02 16:02:39 <melvster> probably a good thing for btc in general
788 2013-10-02 16:04:09 patcon has joined
789 2013-10-02 16:04:10 * BlueMatt finds it interesting only one person was charged, but maybe more come later
790 2013-10-02 16:05:11 <gmaxwell> The day of the arrest someone claiming to be DPR emailed me, I assume some screwed up attempt to entrap me. Ineffective, since I have no interest in any of that stuff though.
791 2013-10-02 16:05:46 <BlueMatt> lol, that was a pretty bad attempt...
792 2013-10-02 16:10:49 <Luke-Jr> nobody was silly enough to think I might be involved, apparently :p
793 2013-10-02 16:12:02 skinnkavaj has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
794 2013-10-02 16:13:34 <iwilcox> gmaxwell: Perhaps your phone will stop being on permanent transmit now? :)
795 2013-10-02 16:13:40 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: well the message was kinda boring. I'm not quite sure what they were trying for.
796 2013-10-02 16:14:32 magicpig has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
797 2013-10-02 16:14:34 <Luke-Jr> heh
798 2013-10-02 16:14:51 <Luke-Jr> I hope it won't be problematic that this description of Bitcoin claims it is anonymous..
799 2013-10-02 16:14:54 Namworld has joined
800 2013-10-02 16:16:31 magicpig has joined
801 2013-10-02 16:16:51 michagogo has joined
802 2013-10-02 16:18:50 <MC1984> DPR?
803 2013-10-02 16:19:38 RoboTeddy has joined
804 2013-10-02 16:19:49 RoboTeddy has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
805 2013-10-02 16:20:16 RoboTeddy has joined
806 2013-10-02 16:21:15 magicpig has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
807 2013-10-02 16:21:56 <BlueMatt> MC1984: guy who runs the thing
808 2013-10-02 16:22:17 skinnkavaj has joined
809 2013-10-02 16:22:53 <MC1984> oh the dead pirate guy
810 2013-10-02 16:23:55 <MC1984> why would anyone be emailing bitcoin devs trying to entrap, dont they understand the distinction?
811 2013-10-02 16:23:56 <MC1984> gosh
812 2013-10-02 16:24:01 <tgs3> sup MC1984 my terrorist you
813 2013-10-02 16:24:30 ticean has joined
814 2013-10-02 16:24:51 RoboTeddy has quit (Ping timeout: 253 seconds)
815 2013-10-02 16:25:04 bbbrian has joined
816 2013-10-02 16:25:06 <tgs3> gmaxwell: what arrest, who tried to entrap you - is this story posted anywhere? seems interesting
817 2013-10-02 16:26:03 <tgs3> I'm not up to date on this story... what did the best democracy ever did now?
818 2013-10-02 16:28:20 Transisto has joined
819 2013-10-02 16:28:28 magicpig has joined
820 2013-10-02 16:28:47 <Luke-Jr> tgs3: it's actually good news
821 2013-10-02 16:29:00 <Luke-Jr> tgs3: Silk Road being shutdown and its operator prosecuted
822 2013-10-02 16:29:07 <tgs3> lol seriously?
823 2013-10-02 16:29:14 <tgs3> but... how?
824 2013-10-02 16:29:32 <tgs3> I thought FH was busted, now SR too?
825 2013-10-02 16:29:33 <Luke-Jr> how what? read it, it's kinda off-topic here really
826 2013-10-02 16:30:00 <tgs3> ok so it was not related to bitcoin security itself anyway?
827 2013-10-02 16:30:55 <Luke-Jr> nah
828 2013-10-02 16:31:27 asa1024 has joined
829 2013-10-02 16:33:54 magicpig has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
830 2013-10-02 16:34:11 reneg has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
831 2013-10-02 16:34:53 Muis has joined
832 2013-10-02 16:35:45 magicpig has joined
833 2013-10-02 16:37:36 <BlueMatt> 26k btc seized...lets see what the doj does with them
834 2013-10-02 16:38:19 roconnor has joined
835 2013-10-02 16:38:21 <tgs3> BlueMatt: what feds always does with lots of no-ones money
836 2013-10-02 16:38:22 reneg has joined
837 2013-10-02 16:38:29 <tgs3> donate to orphans and cancer research
838 2013-10-02 16:38:37 <tgs3> patent free cancer research ofc
839 2013-10-02 16:40:17 <BlueMatt> well its not exactly trivial to sell them off
840 2013-10-02 16:40:44 terry has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
841 2013-10-02 16:41:03 btsec has joined
842 2013-10-02 16:42:45 btcbtc has joined
843 2013-10-02 16:42:58 <michagogo> BlueMatt: Why not?
844 2013-10-02 16:43:06 <michagogo> There are dark pools...
845 2013-10-02 16:43:38 <BlueMatt> well, for starters, as the feds, which site do you go to that is considered legal in the us that you want to sell at
846 2013-10-02 16:43:39 <BlueMatt> ?
847 2013-10-02 16:43:49 phungus has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
848 2013-10-02 16:44:04 <michagogo> localbitcoins? :-P
849 2013-10-02 16:44:10 <BlueMatt> yeaaaa.....
850 2013-10-02 16:45:16 ageis has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
851 2013-10-02 16:46:15 PhantomSpark has joined
852 2013-10-02 16:46:16 PhantomSpark has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
853 2013-10-02 16:46:41 PhantomSpark has joined
854 2013-10-02 16:48:26 ovidiusoft has joined
855 2013-10-02 16:50:02 jgarzik has joined
856 2013-10-02 16:50:03 jgarzik has quit (Changing host)
857 2013-10-02 16:50:03 jgarzik has joined
858 2013-10-02 16:50:04 MobPhone has quit (Quit: -a- Android IRC 2.1.10 Just need to be Chiznillen)
859 2013-10-02 16:51:31 justusranvier has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
860 2013-10-02 16:51:54 denom_ has joined
861 2013-10-02 16:53:44 denom has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
862 2013-10-02 16:58:22 RoboTeddy has joined
863 2013-10-02 16:58:43 gui_0 has joined
864 2013-10-02 16:59:19 _ingsoc_ has joined
865 2013-10-02 17:01:09 _ingsoc has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
866 2013-10-02 17:01:46 cris has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
867 2013-10-02 17:02:59 footch__ has joined
868 2013-10-02 17:03:12 cris has joined
869 2013-10-02 17:04:43 Coincidental has joined
870 2013-10-02 17:05:22 denom_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
871 2013-10-02 17:06:35 reneg has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
872 2013-10-02 17:06:45 kylerstorm has joined
873 2013-10-02 17:07:14 bizoro has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
874 2013-10-02 17:08:47 asdasd_2 has joined
875 2013-10-02 17:09:14 rdymac has quit (Excess Flood)
876 2013-10-02 17:09:57 frb has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
877 2013-10-02 17:10:24 rdymac has joined
878 2013-10-02 17:10:55 djcoin has quit (Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1)
879 2013-10-02 17:10:59 reneg has joined
880 2013-10-02 17:11:32 asdasd_2 has quit (Client Quit)
881 2013-10-02 17:11:43 kylerstorm has quit (Quit: Page closed)
882 2013-10-02 17:12:06 killerstorm has joined
883 2013-10-02 17:14:44 cypher has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
884 2013-10-02 17:15:37 daybyter has joined
885 2013-10-02 17:18:42 shesek has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
886 2013-10-02 17:19:29 ticean has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
887 2013-10-02 17:19:34 frb has joined
888 2013-10-02 17:20:05 ticean has joined
889 2013-10-02 17:21:47 Grouver has joined
890 2013-10-02 17:22:05 bitRipperX has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
891 2013-10-02 17:22:48 asdasd_ has joined
892 2013-10-02 17:23:12 reneg has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
893 2013-10-02 17:23:48 killerstorm has quit (Quit: killerstorm)
894 2013-10-02 17:23:57 xire has joined
895 2013-10-02 17:23:58 xire has quit (Changing host)
896 2013-10-02 17:23:58 xire has joined
897 2013-10-02 17:23:58 <edcba> so we'll finally now if bitcoin main attract was drugs or not ?
898 2013-10-02 17:24:11 ticean has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
899 2013-10-02 17:24:41 <swulf--> i give it 5 days until SR number 2 comes up
900 2013-10-02 17:25:57 <edcba> 3 millions dollars is not that much
901 2013-10-02 17:26:18 reneg has joined
902 2013-10-02 17:26:25 <edcba> even if compared to other illegal activities it may be quite good
903 2013-10-02 17:33:14 taha has quit (Quit: Leaving)
904 2013-10-02 17:34:15 cap2002 has joined
905 2013-10-02 17:34:35 testnode9 has joined
906 2013-10-02 17:35:04 shesek has joined
907 2013-10-02 17:37:40 patcon has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
908 2013-10-02 17:37:40 Grouver has quit (Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Wibbly Wobbly IRC)
909 2013-10-02 17:37:54 Grouver has joined
910 2013-10-02 17:38:42 joesmoe has joined
911 2013-10-02 17:40:37 killerstorm has joined
912 2013-10-02 17:42:22 saivann_ has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)
913 2013-10-02 17:42:31 saivann has joined
914 2013-10-02 17:43:19 cap2002 has left ()
915 2013-10-02 17:43:25 gcX46 has joined
916 2013-10-02 17:43:40 toffoo has joined
917 2013-10-02 17:43:44 sacrelege has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
918 2013-10-02 17:44:05 jcorgan has joined
919 2013-10-02 17:45:40 i2pRelay has joined
920 2013-10-02 17:46:14 xire has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
921 2013-10-02 17:48:26 killerstorm has left ()
922 2013-10-02 17:51:52 Coincidental has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
923 2013-10-02 17:52:26 Coincidental has joined
924 2013-10-02 17:54:26 owowo has joined
925 2013-10-02 17:56:01 bitafterbit has joined
926 2013-10-02 17:56:08 _ingsoc has joined
927 2013-10-02 17:56:39 Coincidental has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
928 2013-10-02 17:56:49 denisx has joined
929 2013-10-02 17:59:02 _ingsoc_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
930 2013-10-02 17:59:54 wallet43 has joined
931 2013-10-02 18:00:39 gcX46 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
932 2013-10-02 18:01:13 gcX46 has joined
933 2013-10-02 18:03:17 nomailing has joined
934 2013-10-02 18:13:48 alexwaters has joined
935 2013-10-02 18:13:52 paracyst has joined
936 2013-10-02 18:13:58 alexwaters has quit (Changing host)
937 2013-10-02 18:13:58 alexwaters has joined
938 2013-10-02 18:16:48 digitalmagus3 has joined
939 2013-10-02 18:17:42 daybyter has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
940 2013-10-02 18:18:17 reneg has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
941 2013-10-02 18:22:33 Thepok has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
942 2013-10-02 18:22:41 btcbtc_ has joined
943 2013-10-02 18:22:52 btcbtc has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
944 2013-10-02 18:23:26 reneg has joined
945 2013-10-02 18:24:29 ticean has joined
946 2013-10-02 18:25:03 zeddan81 has quit (Quit: Lämnar)
947 2013-10-02 18:25:23 zeddan81 has joined
948 2013-10-02 18:25:28 Thepok has joined
949 2013-10-02 18:26:19 bonks has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
950 2013-10-02 18:26:58 bonks has joined
951 2013-10-02 18:27:53 gfawkes has joined
952 2013-10-02 18:28:13 xire has joined
953 2013-10-02 18:28:15 slavik0329 has joined
954 2013-10-02 18:29:09 magicpig has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
955 2013-10-02 18:30:07 denom_ has joined
956 2013-10-02 18:30:27 PiZZaMaN2K has joined
957 2013-10-02 18:30:47 magicpig has joined
958 2013-10-02 18:31:12 reneg has quit (Quit: -a- Connection Timed Out)
959 2013-10-02 18:31:27 reneg has joined
960 2013-10-02 18:32:27 bbbrian has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
961 2013-10-02 18:33:00 footch__ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
962 2013-10-02 18:33:20 stevei has joined
963 2013-10-02 18:36:06 torsthaldo has joined
964 2013-10-02 18:37:42 Thepok has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
965 2013-10-02 18:37:58 magicpig has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
966 2013-10-02 18:38:54 CryptoBuck has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
967 2013-10-02 18:39:04 _ingsoc has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
968 2013-10-02 18:39:13 CryptoBuck has joined
969 2013-10-02 18:39:41 terry has joined
970 2013-10-02 18:40:01 wallet43 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
971 2013-10-02 18:40:03 magicpig has joined
972 2013-10-02 18:40:25 osmosis has joined
973 2013-10-02 18:40:59 _ingsoc has joined
974 2013-10-02 18:41:15 wallet43 has joined
975 2013-10-02 18:45:00 TD has joined
976 2013-10-02 18:46:57 wallet43 has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
977 2013-10-02 18:48:05 RazielXYZ has joined
978 2013-10-02 18:48:27 jedunnigan has joined
979 2013-10-02 18:49:04 wallet43 has joined
980 2013-10-02 18:50:12 magicpig has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
981 2013-10-02 18:50:38 wallet43 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
982 2013-10-02 18:52:11 wallet43 has joined
983 2013-10-02 18:52:18 RazielZ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
984 2013-10-02 18:52:23 magicpig has joined
985 2013-10-02 18:54:04 mappum has joined
986 2013-10-02 18:55:12 ticean has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
987 2013-10-02 18:55:31 mappum has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
988 2013-10-02 18:55:55 wei_ has joined
989 2013-10-02 18:56:37 xire has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
990 2013-10-02 18:57:05 PhantomSpark has quit (Quit: Not all thats glitter is gold not all who wander are lost. - ospwrd.com)
991 2013-10-02 19:01:51 wallet43 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
992 2013-10-02 19:02:18 wallet43 has joined
993 2013-10-02 19:04:59 MoALTz has joined
994 2013-10-02 19:05:56 rdymac has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
995 2013-10-02 19:06:06 patcon has joined
996 2013-10-02 19:08:20 RazielXYZ is now known as RazielZ
997 2013-10-02 19:08:30 RazielZ is now known as Raziel
998 2013-10-02 19:08:57 wallet43 has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
999 2013-10-02 19:09:55 rdymac has joined
1000 2013-10-02 19:10:15 patcon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1001 2013-10-02 19:10:17 wallet43 has joined
1002 2013-10-02 19:11:20 patcon has joined
1003 2013-10-02 19:11:27 robocoin_ has joined
1004 2013-10-02 19:11:32 TD has quit (Quit: TD)
1005 2013-10-02 19:13:13 rdymac has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1006 2013-10-02 19:14:05 Subo1977_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1007 2013-10-02 19:14:15 robocoin has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1008 2013-10-02 19:15:54 rdymac has joined
1009 2013-10-02 19:16:46 asdasd_ has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
1010 2013-10-02 19:18:23 rdymac has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1011 2013-10-02 19:18:39 Subo1977 has joined
1012 2013-10-02 19:20:33 ThomasV has joined
1013 2013-10-02 19:21:15 asdasd_ has joined
1014 2013-10-02 19:23:24 rdymac has joined
1015 2013-10-02 19:24:50 osmosis has quit (Quit: Leaving)
1016 2013-10-02 19:29:00 jcorgan has quit (Quit: jcorgan)
1017 2013-10-02 19:30:13 TD has joined
1018 2013-10-02 19:30:38 tim-tams has joined
1019 2013-10-02 19:31:17 <tim-tams> Anyone know why my BTC addresses imported to Multibit from a Blockchain.info backup would not match?
1020 2013-10-02 19:31:57 <tim-tams> some do and some don't, the one's that don't were originally from QT and the ones that do were created on blockchain.ingo
1021 2013-10-02 19:32:00 <tim-tams> info*
1022 2013-10-02 19:32:27 <jgarzik> sounds like compressed versus uncompressed public keys
1023 2013-10-02 19:33:22 <jgarzik> a single private key PrK may produce a compressed public key CPK or an uncompressed public key UPK. Thus, each private key may result in _two_ bitcoin addresses.
1024 2013-10-02 19:33:33 <jgarzik> because bitcoin address == hash(public key)
1025 2013-10-02 19:33:41 <sipa> for a single secp256k1 private key, that is true
1026 2013-10-02 19:33:44 <tim-tams> will that cause conflict?
1027 2013-10-02 19:33:54 <sipa> for bitcoin private keys, not really, because they contain a flag to indicate which public key to use
1028 2013-10-02 19:33:58 <lianj> tim-tams: no, the base58 encoded privkey has a flag for it
1029 2013-10-02 19:34:05 <sipa> though not every application supports compressed one in the first place
1030 2013-10-02 19:34:16 <tim-tams> so i can send to either address an it will record on both wallets?
1031 2013-10-02 19:34:23 <sipa> no
1032 2013-10-02 19:34:27 <sipa> you import exactly one
1033 2013-10-02 19:34:35 <sipa> and you send to the corresponding address
1034 2013-10-02 19:35:04 <tim-tams> so basically, when I imported it it became an entirely different pub/private key pair?
1035 2013-10-02 19:35:16 <sipa> i believe multibit can't import compressed keys
1036 2013-10-02 19:35:25 Subo1977 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1037 2013-10-02 19:35:28 <sipa> it supports them natively, but can't import them or so
1038 2013-10-02 19:35:54 <sipa> (my data may be outdated or simply wrong)
1039 2013-10-02 19:36:03 <tim-tams> I'm a little lost but at least I know not to treat the addresses as the same
1040 2013-10-02 19:36:08 Applicat_ has joined
1041 2013-10-02 19:36:29 <tim-tams> is there any way to convert the addresses on blockchain.info to uncompresses before backing them up?
1042 2013-10-02 19:36:39 <sipa> yes, but that's not relevant
1043 2013-10-02 19:36:51 <sipa> if you convert the key, the address will be different, and not match transactions sent to it
1044 2013-10-02 19:37:02 <tim-tams> couldn't I convert them to the right format and THEN import to multibit?
1045 2013-10-02 19:37:03 Subo1977 has joined
1046 2013-10-02 19:37:13 <sipa> no, because the address will be different
1047 2013-10-02 19:37:16 <tim-tams> hmm
1048 2013-10-02 19:37:24 <tim-tams> address changes every time you convert it?
1049 2013-10-02 19:37:28 <lianj> no, you have to find a way to import the compressed ones in multibit then
1050 2013-10-02 19:37:46 <tim-tams> this is so confusing haha, sorry
1051 2013-10-02 19:38:14 <sipa> the compressed key has one address, the uncompressed key has another address
1052 2013-10-02 19:38:22 <sipa> for all intents and purposes, they are separate
1053 2013-10-02 19:38:29 <tim-tams> Ook then
1054 2013-10-02 19:38:52 <tim-tams> makes sense I guess, so you can't move from QT to MB and keep the same public addresses?
1055 2013-10-02 19:39:16 reneg has quit (Quit: -a- Connection Timed Out)
1056 2013-10-02 19:39:23 <sipa> maybe
1057 2013-10-02 19:39:26 <sipa> i'm unsure
1058 2013-10-02 19:40:06 <tim-tams> I'll probably just not even use multibit then, thanks anyway
1059 2013-10-02 19:40:06 Application has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1060 2013-10-02 19:40:14 <tim-tams> I'll just keep using blockchain.info
1061 2013-10-02 19:41:06 bizoro has joined
1062 2013-10-02 19:41:16 Applicat_ has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
1063 2013-10-02 19:41:27 <jgarzik> tim-tams, Armory is a good one to try.
1064 2013-10-02 19:41:46 <tim-tams> can armory reach around a firewill through ssh tunnel?
1065 2013-10-02 19:42:07 <tim-tams> basically, can you choose specific nodes?
1066 2013-10-02 19:42:17 <tim-tams> to connect to?
1067 2013-10-02 19:42:23 reneg has joined
1068 2013-10-02 19:42:59 <jgarzik> tim-tams, I think so
1069 2013-10-02 19:43:07 <sipa> armory uses bitcoind in the background...
1070 2013-10-02 19:43:10 Coincidental has joined
1071 2013-10-02 19:43:36 <tim-tams> ok
1072 2013-10-02 19:43:39 <tim-tams> I may give that a shot
1073 2013-10-02 19:43:51 <tim-tams> should my keys import properly there?
1074 2013-10-02 19:44:05 <tim-tams> I think I must have a mix of compressed and uncompressed
1075 2013-10-02 19:45:25 <jgarzik> tim-tams, I don't know.
1076 2013-10-02 19:45:39 <jgarzik> tim-tams, Seems like it would be simpler to send all to new address (new key) in new wallet.
1077 2013-10-02 19:45:44 ThomasV has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1078 2013-10-02 19:45:50 <lianj> tim-tams: do some don't start with a 5
1079 2013-10-02 19:46:14 <tim-tams> I'm not sure about that, I can try to check
1080 2013-10-02 19:46:29 patcon has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1081 2013-10-02 19:47:12 Application has joined
1082 2013-10-02 19:48:07 <tim-tams> lianj what format do I check that in? bitcoin QT format shows some start with a 5, some with an L, and one even starts with a K
1083 2013-10-02 19:48:09 <lianj> but yea, thats prolly the cause. and yes, either fix multibit import or send them to a new address maybe
1084 2013-10-02 19:48:23 <lianj> yea, the l and k ones are compressed
1085 2013-10-02 19:48:31 <sipa> K and L are private keys with corresponding compressed pubkey
1086 2013-10-02 19:48:36 <tim-tams> Ook
1087 2013-10-02 19:48:37 <sipa> 5 is uncompressed
1088 2013-10-02 19:49:56 <tim-tams> but if I uncompress a key, it will no longer resolve to the same public address right?
1089 2013-10-02 19:50:11 <lianj> rite
1090 2013-10-02 19:50:19 patcon has joined
1091 2013-10-02 19:51:05 <tim-tams> So I just need a client that handles both, because I've got some compressed that I need to keep and some uncompressed I need to keep...
1092 2013-10-02 19:51:54 Krellan_ has joined
1093 2013-10-02 19:52:41 <michagogo> tim-tams: Or just transfer the coins to an address or several addresses generated by your new wallet
1094 2013-10-02 19:52:43 patcon has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1095 2013-10-02 19:53:12 patcon has joined
1096 2013-10-02 19:54:24 <tim-tams> michagogo I kinda wanted to keep the public addresses too though, but I'll figure something out
1097 2013-10-02 19:54:30 <tim-tams> not just the coins
1098 2013-10-02 19:54:35 <michagogo> ah
1099 2013-10-02 19:55:04 <michagogo> Well, you could run a client that supports sweeping and have it sweep those addresses into another one
1100 2013-10-02 19:55:09 <michagogo> or something like that
1101 2013-10-02 19:55:13 alexwaters has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1102 2013-10-02 19:55:17 <tim-tams> Are the addresses that appeared in MultiBit still usable though? or are the corrupted somehow because I imported compresses and it doesn't like that?
1103 2013-10-02 19:55:28 <tim-tams> they*
1104 2013-10-02 19:58:33 jcorgan has joined
1105 2013-10-02 20:05:26 Musk has quit (Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com)
1106 2013-10-02 20:07:45 mappum has joined
1107 2013-10-02 20:07:53 ProfMac has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
1108 2013-10-02 20:10:07 DiabloD3 has joined
1109 2013-10-02 20:12:40 jcorgan has quit (Quit: jcorgan)
1110 2013-10-02 20:13:16 <Ry4an> xbox feed definition meeting: "Should we offer a way to say what the primary audio language is?" "Sure, why not." "Should it be mandatory?" "Of course!"
1111 2013-10-02 20:13:21 <Ry4an> repeat for 100 items
1112 2013-10-02 20:14:54 jcorgan has joined
1113 2013-10-02 20:17:00 tim-tams has left ()
1114 2013-10-02 20:17:17 wallet43 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1115 2013-10-02 20:18:06 <Ry4an> sorry, wrong channel
1116 2013-10-02 20:18:27 <Ry4an> though if any of you ever get asked to produce an XML feed for Xbox as a favor, don't say yes. :)
1117 2013-10-02 20:18:36 reneg has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1118 2013-10-02 20:19:02 wallet43 has joined
1119 2013-10-02 20:19:59 nomailing has quit (Quit: nomailing)
1120 2013-10-02 20:20:24 reneg has joined
1121 2013-10-02 20:21:05 ericmuyser has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1122 2013-10-02 20:22:04 Application has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1123 2013-10-02 20:23:00 cads has joined
1124 2013-10-02 20:23:46 ageis_ has joined
1125 2013-10-02 20:24:25 jcorgan has quit (Quit: jcorgan)
1126 2013-10-02 20:24:48 jcorgan has joined
1127 2013-10-02 20:24:56 cads has quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
1128 2013-10-02 20:26:55 cads has joined
1129 2013-10-02 20:28:19 ThomasV has joined
1130 2013-10-02 20:28:30 wallet43 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1131 2013-10-02 20:28:38 cads has quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
1132 2013-10-02 20:28:51 wallet43 has joined
1133 2013-10-02 20:30:38 cads has joined
1134 2013-10-02 20:30:49 DiabloD3 has quit (Quit: do coders dream of sheep()?)
1135 2013-10-02 20:30:50 Coincidental has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1136 2013-10-02 20:31:25 Coincidental has joined
1137 2013-10-02 20:32:49 LightRider has joined
1138 2013-10-02 20:33:05 Diablo-D3 has joined
1139 2013-10-02 20:33:54 _ingsoc has quit (Quit: leaving)
1140 2013-10-02 20:34:11 ticean has joined
1141 2013-10-02 20:35:29 Coincidental has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1142 2013-10-02 20:35:39 ThomasV has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1143 2013-10-02 20:39:50 Nesetalis has joined
1144 2013-10-02 20:39:50 wallet43 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1145 2013-10-02 20:40:33 Coincidental has joined
1146 2013-10-02 20:41:05 wallet43 has joined
1147 2013-10-02 20:41:22 Application has joined
1148 2013-10-02 20:41:39 jcorgan has quit (Quit: jcorgan)
1149 2013-10-02 20:44:01 <roconnor> what's silk road's "tumber"?
1150 2013-10-02 20:45:06 Ashaman has joined
1151 2013-10-02 20:45:15 skinnkavaj has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1152 2013-10-02 20:48:34 bbbrian has joined
1153 2013-10-02 20:50:21 wallet43 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1154 2013-10-02 20:51:50 wallet43 has joined
1155 2013-10-02 20:52:38 btcbtc_ has quit (Quit: btcbtc_)
1156 2013-10-02 20:54:23 freewil has joined
1157 2013-10-02 20:54:47 <jgarzik> roconnor, mixer
1158 2013-10-02 20:56:51 <gmaxwell> roconnor: what the complaint describes and what the'd previously described is that they obscured their coins by just cascading them between addresses, not actually a rigorous anonymization procedure. (Not that it would have helped them.)
1159 2013-10-02 20:58:49 Application has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1160 2013-10-02 21:00:51 <jgarzik> The indictment is a laundry list of poor opsec.
1161 2013-10-02 21:01:13 MoALTz has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
1162 2013-10-02 21:02:32 ticean has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1163 2013-10-02 21:03:39 Application has joined
1164 2013-10-02 21:05:52 TD has quit (Quit: TD)
1165 2013-10-02 21:06:39 TD has joined
1166 2013-10-02 21:08:01 <roconnor> gmaxwell: how disappointing.
1167 2013-10-02 21:08:49 <Diablo-D3> jgarzik: I agree
1168 2013-10-02 21:09:04 <Diablo-D3> the moral of the story is
1169 2013-10-02 21:09:09 <Diablo-D3> if you're going to sell drugs on the internet
1170 2013-10-02 21:09:29 <Diablo-D3> have a computer that only connects to the internet via tor, and only use your anon accounts on that computer
1171 2013-10-02 21:09:39 ticean has joined
1172 2013-10-02 21:09:44 <Diablo-D3> and never EVER mention ANYTHING on your real accounts
1173 2013-10-02 21:09:49 <BlueMatt> or...follow your own advice
1174 2013-10-02 21:10:21 ticean has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1175 2013-10-02 21:10:52 <Diablo-D3> he got busted for failing the last one
1176 2013-10-02 21:10:59 <Diablo-D3> they connected real life info to him
1177 2013-10-02 21:11:28 TD has quit (Client Quit)
1178 2013-10-02 21:11:43 <lianj> Diablo-D3: yea, running tor is easy, using tor+internet right when your freedom depends on it is the real skill
1179 2013-10-02 21:11:51 Chat0527 has joined
1180 2013-10-02 21:11:51 Chat0527 has quit (Client Quit)
1181 2013-10-02 21:12:17 <swulf--> so how did they find the location of the server?
1182 2013-10-02 21:12:45 <swulf--> credit card history to hosting provider?
1183 2013-10-02 21:12:50 <roconnor> gmaxwell: is there any level in which I can see that cascading coins between addresses will obsucre anything?
1184 2013-10-02 21:12:53 mappum has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
1185 2013-10-02 21:14:10 melvster has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1186 2013-10-02 21:14:21 <Diablo-D3> swulf--: probably
1187 2013-10-02 21:14:55 <swulf--> even if they found DPR, unless DPR specifically revealed that information, the server still should have been a bitch to find as it was supposed to be behind tor
1188 2013-10-02 21:15:16 melvster has joined
1189 2013-10-02 21:15:26 <Diablo-D3> yes, but he had to pay the bills somehow
1190 2013-10-02 21:15:32 <Diablo-D3> unless he paid for the server via bitcoins
1191 2013-10-02 21:15:53 <swulf--> right. bitcoin would have been the smart move
1192 2013-10-02 21:17:01 wei_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1193 2013-10-02 21:17:20 robocoin_ is now known as robocoin
1194 2013-10-02 21:17:47 reneg_ has joined
1195 2013-10-02 21:18:31 phungi has joined
1196 2013-10-02 21:19:14 phungi is now known as phungus
1197 2013-10-02 21:19:23 toffoo has quit ()
1198 2013-10-02 21:20:44 reneg has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1199 2013-10-02 21:21:13 CodesInChaos_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
1200 2013-10-02 21:21:32 reneg has joined
1201 2013-10-02 21:21:33 ovidiusoft has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1202 2013-10-02 21:21:35 nsillik has joined
1203 2013-10-02 21:22:02 reneg_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1204 2013-10-02 21:22:20 reneg_ has joined
1205 2013-10-02 21:22:36 jedunnigan has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1206 2013-10-02 21:23:30 Guest68129 has joined
1207 2013-10-02 21:23:41 Grouver has quit (Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Chicks dig it)
1208 2013-10-02 21:24:06 Guest68129 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1209 2013-10-02 21:24:28 TD has joined
1210 2013-10-02 21:25:53 reneg has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1211 2013-10-02 21:27:58 Neozonz is now known as Discx2!~Neozonz@unaffiliated/neozonz|Neozonz
1212 2013-10-02 21:29:17 <gjs278> dah now they're down $10 on btc-e
1213 2013-10-02 21:30:18 jcorgan has joined
1214 2013-10-02 21:32:03 PiZZaMaN2K is now known as PiZZaMaN2K|away
1215 2013-10-02 21:32:38 sacrelege has joined
1216 2013-10-02 21:37:15 wallet43 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1217 2013-10-02 21:38:09 yubrew has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1218 2013-10-02 21:38:43 yubrew has joined
1219 2013-10-02 21:38:55 cris has quit ()
1220 2013-10-02 21:39:02 wallet43 has joined
1221 2013-10-02 21:39:03 yubrew has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1222 2013-10-02 21:39:31 yubrew has joined
1223 2013-10-02 21:40:34 AusBitBank has joined
1224 2013-10-02 21:44:47 cads has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1225 2013-10-02 21:44:53 reneg has joined
1226 2013-10-02 21:45:45 michagogo has quit (Quit: goodnight)
1227 2013-10-02 21:46:24 reneg_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1228 2013-10-02 21:47:39 footch__ has joined
1229 2013-10-02 21:47:39 dgriffi has joined
1230 2013-10-02 21:50:05 denom_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1231 2013-10-02 21:50:55 <dgriffi> is anyone working on the problem of why bitcoin-qt won't compile under Debian Wheezy without some crippling configure options?
1232 2013-10-02 21:51:04 denisx has quit (Quit: denisx)
1233 2013-10-02 21:51:23 <sipa> dgriffi: have you filed a bug?
1234 2013-10-02 21:51:39 Krellan_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1235 2013-10-02 21:52:08 Krellan_ has joined
1236 2013-10-02 21:52:18 <dgriffi> sipa: I figured someone would have seen it by now given that wheezy has been stable for a few months now
1237 2013-10-02 21:52:55 <sipa> i don't know of any known issue
1238 2013-10-02 21:52:57 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|dgriffi: what's wrong with it?
1239 2013-10-02 21:53:10 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I haven't seen anything about it anywhere.
1240 2013-10-02 21:53:29 theymos has joined
1241 2013-10-02 21:53:54 <dgriffi> michagogo|cloud: well, first off, it wants BerkleyDB 4.8++ which is no longer in the repos
1242 2013-10-02 21:54:11 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Ah
1243 2013-10-02 21:54:13 <sipa> that's intentional
1244 2013-10-02 21:54:28 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Yeah, you can get that from oracle's website
1245 2013-10-02 21:54:31 <dgriffi> michagogo|cloud: there's a configure-time option to use 5.1 anyway, but with the caveat that wallet you make won't be portable
1246 2013-10-02 21:54:39 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Link is in release-process.md
1247 2013-10-02 21:54:52 the_2nd has quit (Quit: bye)
1248 2013-10-02 21:55:17 <sipa> that's a long-known and hated problem with bdb
1249 2013-10-02 21:55:26 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|dgriffi: also, if you were on Ubuntu, the bitcoin ppa has db4.8++
1250 2013-10-02 21:55:34 <sipa> we intend to get rid of bdb wallets at some point
1251 2013-10-02 21:55:50 <sipa> but for compatibility, there is no solution otherwise
1252 2013-10-02 21:55:52 <dgriffi> I use straight debian because the ubuntu people went insane
1253 2013-10-02 21:55:53 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|But yeah, check doc/release-process.md for the link to get db
1254 2013-10-02 21:56:18 <sipa> or use 5.1
1255 2013-10-02 21:56:23 <Luke-Jr> dgriffi: personally, who cares about portability XD
1256 2013-10-02 21:56:36 <Luke-Jr> unless you plan to move the wallet to Ubuntu/Windows later
1257 2013-10-02 21:56:38 <sipa> if you only plan to use self-compiled versions, there is no problem
1258 2013-10-02 21:56:41 <Luke-Jr> /Mac
1259 2013-10-02 21:56:44 Krellan_ has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
1260 2013-10-02 21:56:49 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Right, just remember that if you ever restore from a backup or anything like that, you'll need a 5.1 build
1261 2013-10-02 21:57:09 <dgriffi> so I ran configure with --with-incompatible-bdb and got a complaint that "Could not link against boost_thread-mt"
1262 2013-10-02 21:57:37 <sipa> i've seen that problem before iirc
1263 2013-10-02 21:58:17 Squidicuz has joined
1264 2013-10-02 21:58:19 wallet43 has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
1265 2013-10-02 21:58:26 <Luke-Jr> dgriffi: BTW, you're aware you're building mostly untested and unsupported code, right?
1266 2013-10-02 21:58:34 <sipa> note that this is git head, and the autotools buildsystem is very new
1267 2013-10-02 21:58:35 <Luke-Jr> (please stay and help debug problems in any case, but be aware of this)
1268 2013-10-02 21:58:40 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|dgriffi: what version of boost?
1269 2013-10-02 21:58:45 cris` has joined
1270 2013-10-02 21:58:47 <sipa> and has quirks that are being worked on
1271 2013-10-02 21:59:10 <Luke-Jr> sipa: what timing :P
1272 2013-10-02 21:59:13 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I think doc/build-unix.md mentioned something like that?
1273 2013-10-02 21:59:18 <sipa> but helping getting them fixed is of course welcome
1274 2013-10-02 21:59:28 <sipa> !hi5 Luke-Jr
1275 2013-10-02 21:59:28 <gribble> Error: "hi5" is not a valid command.
1276 2013-10-02 21:59:35 <dgriffi> okay, that configure complaint is gone now after I installed the packages recommended by this page: http://wp.geeklab.com.ar/gl-en/2013/03/11/how-to-install-bitcoin-0-8-0-on-debian-wheezy-amd64/
1277 2013-10-02 22:00:23 <Luke-Jr> dgriffi: well, that makes sense.. is there an error/omission in our docs? :x
1278 2013-10-02 22:00:32 <dgriffi> Luke-Jr: it seems so
1279 2013-10-02 22:00:47 <dgriffi> I'll write up a bug report this evening
1280 2013-10-02 22:00:53 jcorgan has quit (Quit: jcorgan)
1281 2013-10-02 22:01:15 <sipa> 0.8.0 (and up to 0.8.5) used qmake/makefiles as build systems
1282 2013-10-02 22:01:27 <sipa> things are a bit different in git head
1283 2013-10-02 22:01:41 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|dgriffi: did you try building v0.8.5?
1284 2013-10-02 22:01:43 <sipa> and iirc the documentation isn't entirely updated yet
1285 2013-10-02 22:01:56 <Luke-Jr> dgriffi: thanks; it would be even more excellent if you did a Pull Request for the change itself
1286 2013-10-02 22:02:37 <dgriffi> Luke-Jr: sure. I've done that before
1287 2013-10-02 22:03:42 Internet13 has quit (Quit: Leaving)
1288 2013-10-02 22:05:07 Internet13 has joined
1289 2013-10-02 22:08:38 jedunnigan has joined
1290 2013-10-02 22:09:18 Ashaman has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
1291 2013-10-02 22:09:18 jedunnigan has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1292 2013-10-02 22:09:33 jedunnigan has joined
1293 2013-10-02 22:10:28 jedunnig_ has joined
1294 2013-10-02 22:10:28 jedunnigan has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1295 2013-10-02 22:10:59 jedunnig_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1296 2013-10-02 22:11:24 jedunnigan has joined
1297 2013-10-02 22:11:39 reneg_ has joined
1298 2013-10-02 22:12:12 jedunnigan has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1299 2013-10-02 22:12:20 jedunnigan has joined
1300 2013-10-02 22:12:45 reneg__ has joined
1301 2013-10-02 22:12:51 jedunnigan has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1302 2013-10-02 22:13:15 jedunnigan has joined
1303 2013-10-02 22:14:11 jedunnig_ has joined
1304 2013-10-02 22:14:11 jedunnigan has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1305 2013-10-02 22:14:47 jedunnig_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1306 2013-10-02 22:14:59 agricocb has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
1307 2013-10-02 22:15:07 jedunnigan has joined
1308 2013-10-02 22:15:09 reneg has quit (Ping timeout: 241 seconds)
1309 2013-10-02 22:15:19 elevatioN has joined
1310 2013-10-02 22:15:56 reneg_ has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
1311 2013-10-02 22:15:56 jedunnigan has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1312 2013-10-02 22:16:02 jedunnig_ has joined
1313 2013-10-02 22:16:58 jedunnigan has joined
1314 2013-10-02 22:16:58 jedunnig_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1315 2013-10-02 22:17:39 jedunnigan has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1316 2013-10-02 22:17:53 jedunnigan has joined
1317 2013-10-02 22:18:49 jedunnig_ has joined
1318 2013-10-02 22:18:50 jedunnigan has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1319 2013-10-02 22:19:44 jedunnigan has joined
1320 2013-10-02 22:19:44 jedunnig_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1321 2013-10-02 22:20:19 jedunnigan has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1322 2013-10-02 22:21:07 Guest90260 has joined
1323 2013-10-02 22:21:23 Ashaman has joined
1324 2013-10-02 22:22:55 Guest90260 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1325 2013-10-02 22:27:17 stevei has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1326 2013-10-02 22:31:54 rdymac_ has joined
1327 2013-10-02 22:32:13 plaprade has joined
1328 2013-10-02 22:32:54 Muis has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1329 2013-10-02 22:33:19 rdymac_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1330 2013-10-02 22:34:35 nomailing has joined
1331 2013-10-02 22:35:40 rdymac has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1332 2013-10-02 22:37:32 agricocb has joined
1333 2013-10-02 22:41:03 Ashaman has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1334 2013-10-02 22:42:10 edcba has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1335 2013-10-02 22:42:35 edcba has joined
1336 2013-10-02 22:44:27 mappum has joined
1337 2013-10-02 22:44:39 Coincidental has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1338 2013-10-02 22:44:42 catcow has joined
1339 2013-10-02 22:44:42 catcow has quit (Changing host)
1340 2013-10-02 22:44:42 catcow has joined
1341 2013-10-02 22:45:53 TD has quit (Quit: TD)
1342 2013-10-02 22:48:48 a_meteor has joined
1343 2013-10-02 22:50:50 Coincidental has joined
1344 2013-10-02 22:51:42 eoss has joined
1345 2013-10-02 22:52:06 johnsoft has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1346 2013-10-02 22:52:40 johnsoft has joined
1347 2013-10-02 22:53:19 reneg has joined
1348 2013-10-02 22:54:15 reneg_ has joined
1349 2013-10-02 22:54:49 bitafterbit_ has joined
1350 2013-10-02 22:55:23 bitafterbit has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
1351 2013-10-02 22:56:50 reneg__ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1352 2013-10-02 22:58:06 reneg has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1353 2013-10-02 23:00:44 marijnfs has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
1354 2013-10-02 23:01:44 eculver has quit (Quit: leaving)
1355 2013-10-02 23:02:10 Dyaheon has joined
1356 2013-10-02 23:02:36 xire has joined
1357 2013-10-02 23:04:19 bitafterbit_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1358 2013-10-02 23:06:57 i2pRelay has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1359 2013-10-02 23:06:57 Subo1977 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1360 2013-10-02 23:07:06 Internet13 has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1361 2013-10-02 23:07:07 Subo1977_ has joined
1362 2013-10-02 23:09:57 jedunnigan has joined
1363 2013-10-02 23:09:57 torsthaldo has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1364 2013-10-02 23:10:11 Internet13 has joined
1365 2013-10-02 23:10:45 jedunnigan has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1366 2013-10-02 23:10:53 jedunnigan has joined
1367 2013-10-02 23:11:45 patcon has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1368 2013-10-02 23:11:45 jedunnigan has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1369 2013-10-02 23:11:48 jedunnig_ has joined
1370 2013-10-02 23:12:43 jedunnigan has joined
1371 2013-10-02 23:12:43 jedunnig_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1372 2013-10-02 23:13:39 jedunnig_ has joined
1373 2013-10-02 23:13:39 jedunnigan has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1374 2013-10-02 23:14:06 gcX46 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1375 2013-10-02 23:14:11 jedunnig_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1376 2013-10-02 23:14:16 Thepok has joined
1377 2013-10-02 23:14:35 jedunnigan has joined
1378 2013-10-02 23:15:11 jedunnigan has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1379 2013-10-02 23:15:33 jedunnigan has joined
1380 2013-10-02 23:16:17 jedunnigan has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1381 2013-10-02 23:16:39 jedunnigan has joined
1382 2013-10-02 23:17:35 jedunnig_ has joined
1383 2013-10-02 23:17:35 jedunnigan has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1384 2013-10-02 23:17:53 elevatioN has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
1385 2013-10-02 23:18:27 eculver has joined
1386 2013-10-02 23:18:27 eculver has quit (Changing host)
1387 2013-10-02 23:18:27 eculver has joined
1388 2013-10-02 23:18:28 jedunnig_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1389 2013-10-02 23:18:30 jedunnigan has joined
1390 2013-10-02 23:19:09 elevatioN has joined
1391 2013-10-02 23:19:09 jedunnigan has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1392 2013-10-02 23:19:26 jedunnigan has joined
1393 2013-10-02 23:19:40 gcX46 has joined
1394 2013-10-02 23:20:14 jedunnigan has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1395 2013-10-02 23:20:20 jedunnigan has joined
1396 2013-10-02 23:21:07 nomailing has quit (Quit: nomailing)
1397 2013-10-02 23:21:08 jedunnigan has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1398 2013-10-02 23:21:18 jedunnigan has joined
1399 2013-10-02 23:22:16 jedunnig_ has joined
1400 2013-10-02 23:22:16 jedunnigan has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1401 2013-10-02 23:23:22 jedunnigan has joined
1402 2013-10-02 23:23:22 jedunnig_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1403 2013-10-02 23:23:57 gjs278 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1404 2013-10-02 23:23:57 jedunnigan has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1405 2013-10-02 23:24:00 jedunnig_ has joined
1406 2013-10-02 23:24:31 xire has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1407 2013-10-02 23:26:07 mapppum has joined
1408 2013-10-02 23:27:23 jedunnigan has joined
1409 2013-10-02 23:28:28 jedunnig_ has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
1410 2013-10-02 23:29:11 mappum has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1411 2013-10-02 23:29:41 hydromet has joined
1412 2013-10-02 23:30:57 razorfishsl has joined
1413 2013-10-02 23:31:02 razorfishsl has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1414 2013-10-02 23:31:13 razorfishsl has joined
1415 2013-10-02 23:31:49 razorfishsl has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1416 2013-10-02 23:32:41 Wild_Bill has joined
1417 2013-10-02 23:36:15 sacrelege has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
1418 2013-10-02 23:36:56 ageis_ has left ()
1419 2013-10-02 23:37:38 <hydromet> huge news today on silk road being shut down
1420 2013-10-02 23:38:36 shesek has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
1421 2013-10-02 23:38:39 <Wild_Bill> long overdue
1422 2013-10-02 23:38:42 <hydromet> good riddance imho, and glad to see some of the US gov still functions despite the gov shutdown
1423 2013-10-02 23:38:55 <Wild_Bill> everything bad on the internet in one site
1424 2013-10-02 23:38:56 <Scrat> hydromet: unrelated news too, discuss it on #bitcoin (this is -dev)
1425 2013-10-02 23:38:57 <gmaxwell> hydromet: Totally OT for this channel, please take it elsewhere.
1426 2013-10-02 23:39:05 <Wild_Bill> k...sorry
1427 2013-10-02 23:39:09 <Diablo-D3> its still a great thing, though
1428 2013-10-02 23:39:38 <Diablo-D3> I wonder how many potential bitcoin devs were scared away because "bitcoin is used by criminals" or similar nonsense
1429 2013-10-02 23:40:58 <hydromet> I agree and its not entirely OT even for bitcoin-dev which is very important to the foundation and success of bitcoin for legitimate purposes
1430 2013-10-02 23:42:02 Anduck has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1431 2013-10-02 23:43:20 <Wild_Bill> any opinion on best source for current exchange rates, via an API
1432 2013-10-02 23:44:27 p8m has quit (Quit: leaving)
1433 2013-10-02 23:44:56 <Wild_Bill> going to accept payment in BTC, customers are multi-national commerical/industrial
1434 2013-10-02 23:45:49 a_meteor has quit (Quit: Leaving)
1435 2013-10-02 23:49:17 [\\\] has joined
1436 2013-10-02 23:51:26 theymos_ has joined
1437 2013-10-02 23:53:25 shesek has joined
1438 2013-10-02 23:53:35 [\\\] has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1439 2013-10-02 23:54:05 [\\\] has joined
1440 2013-10-02 23:54:05 <tgs3> gmaxwell: did you just kicked Diablo-D3? wtf?
1441 2013-10-02 23:54:33 theymos has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
1442 2013-10-02 23:54:39 theymos_ is now known as theymos
1443 2013-10-02 23:55:36 <gmaxwell> tgs3: not the first time, certantly not the last.
1444 2013-10-02 23:56:15 bleechack has joined
1445 2013-10-02 23:57:07 <Neozonz> *certainly