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29 2013-10-06 01:10:40 <jgarzik> gmaxwell, That's an interesting side problem. Is there any way for p2pool-like system to buffer funds, paying less now, and more in the futureÂ
without a centralized SPOF holding funds?
30 2013-10-06 01:10:56 <jgarzik> I often wonder what a network of bots, run by trustec members of the community, could do
31 2013-10-06 01:11:26 <jgarzik> oracles on TPM run by trusted community members, for e.g. holding funds until a condition is met, behaving as a neutral third party
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36 2013-10-06 01:12:11 <jgarzik> a network of cross-validating agents is the only solution I can come up with, but surely there is a fancy-math way for p2pool to do it without oracles
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57 2013-10-06 01:40:59 <boycey> Hi. the steps to convert 64 byte public key to 20 byte key: RIPEMD160(SHA256(pubkey)) â¦.. right ??
58 2013-10-06 01:42:05 <boycey> why it no work for me :(
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61 2013-10-06 01:45:56 <berndj> boycey, how exactly are you calculating it?
62 2013-10-06 01:46:10 <berndj> are you using the right endianness?
63 2013-10-06 01:48:03 <boycey> berndj: do i have to convert it before i do the hashing ?
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65 2013-10-06 01:48:55 <boycey> i think its already little endianâ¦.. i just copied the key from the blockchain raw tx
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117 2013-10-06 02:56:35 <tim-tams> anyone here?
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134 2013-10-06 03:17:52 <gavinandresen> tim-tams: no, nobody.
135 2013-10-06 03:18:07 <tim-tams> hey
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137 2013-10-06 03:20:05 <tim-tams> All I want to do is display total_received for an address in html/javascript. How on earth can I query that from an API and display BTC not satishis? It sounds so simple but I'm blanking
138 2013-10-06 03:20:26 <tim-tams> Right now I'm iframing the Blockchain.info api, but that uses satoshis not btc
139 2013-10-06 03:21:30 <gavinandresen> blockchain.info has a JSON API, I think. Shouldn't be hard to write some javascript that calls it then converts satoshis to BTC.
140 2013-10-06 03:22:14 <tim-tams> I know, but I know nothing about javascript/json
141 2013-10-06 03:22:19 <tim-tams> or anything really
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143 2013-10-06 03:22:31 <gavinandresen> ⦠although I've forgotten most of what I used to know about javascript coding, so there might be cross-origin issues...
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145 2013-10-06 03:22:34 <tim-tams> it should take like 3-4 line but like I said, I know nothing
146 2013-10-06 03:22:38 <tim-tams> lines**
147 2013-10-06 03:23:23 <gavinandresen> tim-tams: a javascript channel might be a better place to ask. This channel is for working on bitcoin itself.
148 2013-10-06 03:24:03 <gavinandresen> tim-tams: or, actually, the bitcoin stackexchange site might be good place to ask
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396 2013-10-06 11:51:27 <swulf--> is anyone working on proof of sacrifice-related contributions?
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400 2013-10-06 11:56:09 <jgarzik> swulf--, yes
401 2013-10-06 11:56:37 <jgarzik> swulf--, as part of the decentralized identity protocol https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Identity_protocol_v1
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403 2013-10-06 11:58:16 <swulf--> ah, neat
404 2013-10-06 11:58:25 <swulf--> thanks for the link
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408 2013-10-06 12:10:56 <swulf--> jgarzik: is an implementation of that identity protocol something that would be welcome in the bitcoin reference implementation?
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410 2013-10-06 12:11:52 <jgarzik> swulf--, it would need a use case
411 2013-10-06 12:13:16 <jgarzik> swulf--, as much as I think the identity protocol is critical to a decentralized futureÂ
cannot add it to Bitcoin-QT without a relevant use. Right now, there is not much use at all for identity in the reference client -- but there is /much/ need for decentralized identity in the surrounding ecosystem: bitcoin websites, pools, ...
412 2013-10-06 12:13:30 <swulf--> right
413 2013-10-06 12:13:33 <jgarzik> swulf--, so my approach is to add support for SINs to various libraries
414 2013-10-06 12:13:44 <swulf--> I suppose that makes sense at this point
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417 2013-10-06 12:14:01 <swulf--> wouldn't identity be useful in the new payment requests code?
418 2013-10-06 12:14:05 <jgarzik> swulf--, patches to add SIN to python-bitcoinlib and picocoin would be merged immediately, for exampleÂ
and we need more test vectors
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420 2013-10-06 12:14:11 <jgarzik> swulf--, IMO yes
421 2013-10-06 12:14:36 <swulf--> I mean, it sounds like the payment requests will be relying on SSL/X.509, which is centralized
422 2013-10-06 12:14:56 <jgarzik> swulf--, yes, SIN could be a decentralized alternative used in the payment protocol
423 2013-10-06 12:15:08 <swulf--> but "later" I presume?
424 2013-10-06 12:15:14 <jgarzik> payment protocol is intentionally flexible, permitting more than just SSL CAs
425 2013-10-06 12:15:31 <swulf--> that's good
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427 2013-10-06 12:16:11 <jgarzik> swulf--, it could be "now" -- but just needs someone to code it up and use it. cannot make "add SIN support to Bitcoin-QT payment protocol" the first step, but one of the last
428 2013-10-06 12:16:29 <jgarzik> thus a tested use case -> easy to justify inclusion in bitcoin/bitcoin.git
429 2013-10-06 12:16:50 <jgarzik> BitPay is using SINs a bit internally
430 2013-10-06 12:16:57 <swulf--> are they?
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432 2013-10-06 12:16:58 <swulf--> cool
433 2013-10-06 12:17:39 <swulf--> I suppose a simple use-case would be to identify the owner of an address to a SIN
434 2013-10-06 12:17:54 <swulf--> "yes, it was indeed *I* that paid you"
435 2013-10-06 12:17:57 <jgarzik> well, let me qualify -- I think it is fine to go ahead and create a SIN support patch for bitcoind. Just expect that it will not be merged for months, due to above constraints.
436 2013-10-06 12:18:09 <jgarzik> swulf--, yes
437 2013-10-06 12:18:10 <swulf--> which means constant rebasing
438 2013-10-06 12:18:30 <jgarzik> swulf--, not so muchÂ
most of the code would be in new files, with just a little bit of patched in glue
439 2013-10-06 12:18:43 <swulf--> fair enough
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443 2013-10-06 12:22:02 <swulf--> this wouldn't be too difficult to code up into bitcoind, but I think there'd be some UI requirements to manage identities, no?
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450 2013-10-06 12:25:44 <jgarzik> swulf--, probably yes
451 2013-10-06 12:26:04 <jgarzik> swulf--, the first step is simply to get bitcoind-level library routines into the codebase
452 2013-10-06 12:26:18 <swulf--> and associated rpc calls to work with ti
453 2013-10-06 12:26:41 <jgarzik> swulf--, store identities in the wallet (they require keeping private keys safe, after all), add RPC support sign/verify message
454 2013-10-06 12:27:07 <swulf--> right
455 2013-10-06 12:29:09 <swulf--> SIN records don't have an immediately obvious place to go currently
456 2013-10-06 12:29:37 <swulf--> I suppose they could also be in a transaction in the form of a special scriptPubKey
457 2013-10-06 12:29:48 <jgarzik> swulf--, correct. My weak idea was a namecoin namespace "sin/" or whatever: http://dot-bit.org/Namespace
458 2013-10-06 12:30:05 <jgarzik> rationale: namecoin is there right now, even if it's not great
459 2013-10-06 12:30:32 <jgarzik> swulf--, would need to add SIN verification, to make sure SIN record updates are digitally signed
460 2013-10-06 12:30:43 <swulf--> naturally
461 2013-10-06 12:31:19 <swulf--> yeah, people could build some really cool stuff by combining bitcoin+bitmessage+namecoin
462 2013-10-06 12:31:41 <jgarzik> namecoin is a bit ailing, but it has network strength because it's easy income for merged miners, so it is stronger than any chain I would set up from scratch
463 2013-10-06 12:32:45 <swulf--> would it be terrible to use specially formatted transactions for sin records?
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465 2013-10-06 12:32:46 <jgarzik> bitmessage could just use SINs for identities. if you had a SIN that was generated with a sacrifice, you can bootstrap some trust based on that, rather than just raw proof-of-work, in some cases.
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468 2013-10-06 12:33:01 <swulf--> good point
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470 2013-10-06 12:33:06 <conman> finding a use for namecoin would be nice
471 2013-10-06 12:33:09 <jgarzik> swulf--, not sure what you mean. on the namecoin chain, bitcoin chain, or other?
472 2013-10-06 12:33:22 <conman> it refuses to die
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474 2013-10-06 12:33:30 <swulf--> publishing SIN records in the bitcoin chain via scriptPubKey
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476 2013-10-06 12:33:37 <jgarzik> swulf--, meh
477 2013-10-06 12:33:56 <swulf--> or a similar method to mastercoin
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479 2013-10-06 12:34:15 <swulf--> maybe SINs would be best in something like mastercoin anyway
480 2013-10-06 12:34:17 <jgarzik> swulf--, would prefer to avoid that sort of thing. your SIN record might contain some image data
481 2013-10-06 12:34:34 <swulf--> yeah, definitely, just thinking of the possibilities out loud :)
482 2013-10-06 12:34:42 <jgarzik> swulf--, you can certainly /timestamp a hash/ on the main chain. that is the critical part.
483 2013-10-06 12:34:50 <jgarzik> once timestamped, the data may be presented out-of-band
484 2013-10-06 12:34:51 <swulf--> yea
485 2013-10-06 12:35:32 <jgarzik> so on the main chain, you could timestamp your own SIN records, as perhaps an alternative to namecoin
486 2013-10-06 12:35:52 <jgarzik> you can also store it in an DHT, provided there is a protocol to track signature chains
487 2013-10-06 12:36:49 <jgarzik> i.e. store the "initial SIN record" in namecoin, then prove with an out-of-band signature chain updates to the SIN record. It is not globally consistent (you might present different chains to different people), but it is provable.
488 2013-10-06 12:37:11 <swulf--> could work
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490 2013-10-06 12:37:56 <swulf--> jgarzik: thanks for the info.. I'm heading out for a brew
491 2013-10-06 12:37:58 <swulf--> :)
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531 2013-10-06 13:31:34 <heeventuli> hey guys :) just to make sure i got this right: after mining a block in testnet, it needs 120 other blocks to make the mined coins spendable, right? currently, there are 2-3 blocks mined per hour in testnet..so it will take ~1.5 days before i can actually test me send-to method?
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566 2013-10-06 13:57:59 <skinnkavaj> Hello anyoe good with wordpress and want to earn 10 euros for a job i think takes 5 min? i need to fix so that the "contact" page in wordpress forwards all messages to an email.
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592 2013-10-06 14:18:09 <flatfly> what randomness source does bitcoin-qt use on windows? cryptgenrandom?
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595 2013-10-06 14:21:29 <grau> skinnkavaj: LOL offering euros on bitcoin-dev
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600 2013-10-06 14:24:45 <Diapolo> perfmon data, CPU performance counter and RAND_screen() from OpenSSL on init + OpenSSLs way of gathering entropy
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608 2013-10-06 14:31:38 <flatfly> Diapolo: thanks
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611 2013-10-06 14:35:18 <flatfly> VanityGen also uses the OpenSSL RNG - does anyone know if it is also the case for Armory?
612 2013-10-06 14:35:23 <Diapolo> you're welcome
613 2013-10-06 14:36:46 <flatfly> nvm, i'll have a look at Armory's source code
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681 2013-10-06 15:37:17 <Belxjander> jgarzik: do you ever go to #bitcoin-tech?
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749 2013-10-06 16:51:12 <gmaxwell> sipa: http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin-2k.png You're off-scale again.
750 2013-10-06 16:54:48 <_dr> set autoscale yfixmax
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752 2013-10-06 16:55:53 <_dr> if autoscale doesn't work as intended
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754 2013-10-06 16:56:48 <gmaxwell> _dr: I think the issue is that we don't want it changing willynilly from reload to reload.
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758 2013-10-06 16:59:42 <_dr> gmaxwell: yeah, i thought so. in some cases yfixmax worked for me when autoscaling didn't. it will extend the y-axis to the highest y-value encountered.
759 2013-10-06 17:00:27 <grau> wow, 30day estimate for growth implies difficulty doubling in 30 days.
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765 2013-10-06 17:07:41 <orion> Hi. The FreeBSD port net-p2p/bitcoin does not compile.
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767 2013-10-06 17:08:11 <_dr> grau: yeah. that's the consequence of ~30% increases
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770 2013-10-06 17:09:06 <orion> http://pastebin.com/ADK1rzZD
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813 2013-10-06 18:05:38 <jgarzik> Belxjander, no, way too many channels as it is :)
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925 2013-10-06 20:19:31 <saivann> I plan to merge the new innovation page tomorrow on bitcoin.org
926 2013-10-06 20:19:32 <saivann> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/224
927 2013-10-06 20:19:40 <saivann> More reviews and proofreading are welcome
928 2013-10-06 20:20:07 <saivann> Though this page might be improved by TD soon after the merge
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1007 2013-10-06 22:17:15 <sphered> hi
1008 2013-10-06 22:18:26 <sphered> process of testing a sha coin. i have successful created the Merkel hash having some issue with genesis blocks any ideas?
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