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  11 2013-10-09 00:17:19 <Luke-Jr> kinda a minimum requirement for Trezor and such
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 270 2013-10-09 06:28:27 <Eneerge> is there anyway to unload a driver in memory in windows without rebooting when the driver file no longer exists?
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 273 2013-10-09 06:28:40 <Eneerge> i can uninstall in devmgmt but it wants to reboot
 274 2013-10-09 06:29:22 <Luke-Jr> Eneerge: uhh, off topic?
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 444 2013-10-09 11:35:15 <dizko> wont it error?   ive never intentionally tried but ive had problems where my app tried to send something it had already gotten to
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 451 2013-10-09 11:56:24 <jeremias> is there way to use sendmany so that it will send from all accounts?
 452 2013-10-09 11:56:31 <jeremias> eg. similar to sendtoaddress
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 455 2013-10-09 11:59:37 <sipa> jeremias: use move
 456 2013-10-09 11:59:58 <sipa> there is no single command to do it, but correcting afterwards using move will have the exact same effect
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 466 2013-10-09 12:21:28 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|phedny: it will reject the transaction
 467 2013-10-09 12:22:04 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|The annoying thing is that it's just the standard "tx rejected"
 468 2013-10-09 12:22:51 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I wish that error were more verbose, though more detailed information is printed to debug.log
 469 2013-10-09 12:23:35 <wumpus> wasn't there some pull that improved the reject reasons?
 470 2013-10-09 12:24:18 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Was there? I think I filed that as an issue way back when
 471 2013-10-09 12:24:21 <wumpus> sipa: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/3072
 472 2013-10-09 12:24:49 <wumpus> michagogo|cloud: I only vaguely remember and I'm not sure it fixed that specific problem, but I remember discussion about it before
 473 2013-10-09 12:27:35 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Hmm, there is issue 2512
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 475 2013-10-09 12:29:46 <CodeShark> wumpus: nice :)
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 494 2013-10-09 13:02:20 <flibbr-dev> anyone know why when I try to run abe block explorer I'm getting socket.error [error 98] address already in use... I have port in abe.conf to be that of my mysql open port.. ?
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 503 2013-10-09 13:21:24 <flibbr-dev> is it just me who can't get onto bitcointalk.org still ? anyone else having issues ?
 504 2013-10-09 13:21:49 <helo> flibbr-dev: this isn't a support channel
 505 2013-10-09 13:22:44 <flibbr-dev> ...
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 511 2013-10-09 13:24:20 <flibbr-dev> seems I can get on bitcointalk on lynx just not on my windows box.
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 513 2013-10-09 13:27:05 <SomeoneWeird> flibbr-dev, .. this is not a support channel
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 515 2013-10-09 13:27:33 <flibbr-dev> yeah, I heard the first time and I felt such comment not worthy of counter argueing.
 516 2013-10-09 13:28:08 <SomeoneWeird> well, keep things on topic pls
 517 2013-10-09 13:30:03 <flibbr-dev> I thought asking a query about abe, biting bitcoin-dev, people might be experienced and have info, I also requested if anyone can access bitcointalk - again, perfectly legitimate query, to which no helpful reply came, only 'this isnt a support' channel. So I don't feel I've committed any crime or done no wrong.
 518 2013-10-09 13:31:02 <_dr> re secg curves: how do i know which curves to trust? apparently nist curves are out of the question. who came up with the secp256k1 params?
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 520 2013-10-09 13:31:32 <CodesInChaos> Curves like secp256k1 have very little choice for its parameters
 521 2013-10-09 13:31:47 <_dr> CodesInChaos: why is that?
 522 2013-10-09 13:32:32 <helo> flibbr-dev: you aren't getting an answer because people don't want people asking support questions in here... i was letting you know that you'll probably have better luck elsewhere, not trying to admonish
 523 2013-10-09 13:33:18 <wumpus> yes this is bitcoin-dev, not bitcointalk-dev
 524 2013-10-09 13:34:19 <gmaxwell> _dr: because they're ~all fixed by performance considerations.
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 526 2013-10-09 13:34:42 <gmaxwell> _dr: go see the nice thread on bitcointalk if this is interesting to you.
 527 2013-10-09 13:35:10 <CodesInChaos> it has a=0 and b=7, very small values (little choice). The prime offers a bit of choice, but not very much either
 528 2013-10-09 13:36:32 <_dr> CodesInChaos: okay. but do the constants, although limited in choice, still originate from the nsa?
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 630 2013-10-09 16:10:44 <jgarzik> afternoon
 631 2013-10-09 16:10:55 <TD> hello
 632 2013-10-09 16:11:24 <flibbr-dev> hi
 633 2013-10-09 16:12:31 <flibbr-dev> I just had blocks db corrupted.. I looked up and aparently the only solution is redownload the whole chain again.. ? I tried -rescan but no good either.
 634 2013-10-09 16:14:32 <sipa> you need -reindex
 635 2013-10-09 16:14:39 <sipa> -rescan is for missing wallet transactions
 636 2013-10-09 16:14:49 <sipa> and you don't need to redownload; just reprocess the chain
 637 2013-10-09 16:14:52 <flibbr-dev> okay thanks I will give it a try, thought I was in for a long wait then
 638 2013-10-09 16:14:58 <sipa> it still takes a while... hours perhaps
 639 2013-10-09 16:15:55 <flibbr-dev> just had a power cut so might have been that I think
 640 2013-10-09 16:16:36 <sipa> what os/hardware?
 641 2013-10-09 16:17:23 <flibbr-dev> ubuntu 12.04
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 643 2013-10-09 16:18:13 <sipa> anything specific about storage? filesystem/encryption/network/...?
 644 2013-10-09 16:18:30 <flibbr-dev> just a standard out the box dell inspiron 530
 645 2013-10-09 16:19:42 <flibbr-dev> seems to be back to an operation state now with that -reindex thanks, just saved me hours of going down the wrong road I guess.
 646 2013-10-09 16:19:59 <sipa> it'll still take a time before it's reindexed
 647 2013-10-09 16:20:24 <flibbr-dev> okay cool, hopefully not as long as it took for abe to process all the blocks - wow, that took along time. lol
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 649 2013-10-09 16:20:39 <sipa> how long?
 650 2013-10-09 16:20:53 <sipa> an SQL database isn't really the right model imho
 651 2013-10-09 16:21:00 <flibbr-dev> about 24 hours I think, I just set it running in a screen and came back the next day and it was done
 652 2013-10-09 16:21:22 <sipa> most of the reindexing time is signature verification
 653 2013-10-09 16:21:27 <sipa> usually
 654 2013-10-09 16:22:00 <flibbr-dev> yeah I have it setup in mysql mode but when I go to the url: . . it seems to be loading from the block.dat rather than from the db.. so further investigation required I think before its running as it should..
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 656 2013-10-09 16:22:56 <MC1984> hey sipa is there any windows build of your ecdsa verifier fork anywhere
 657 2013-10-09 16:23:51 <sipa> warren may have one
 658 2013-10-09 16:24:46 <flibbr-dev> the reason why I'm setting up abe is because of the no watch-only-address things.. :|
 659 2013-10-09 16:25:26 <sipa> yeah i'll update my watch-only addresses pullreq if i find some time
 660 2013-10-09 16:26:20 <flibbr-dev> yeah I noticed someone else pinged that pull request today also
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 682 2013-10-09 16:48:23 <warren> MC1984: sipa: I have only litecoin-0.8 builds for win32
 683 2013-10-09 16:48:36 <warren> with secp256k1
 684 2013-10-09 16:50:16 <MC1984> aw
 685 2013-10-09 16:50:58 <MC1984> i suppose maybe a sipaverify windows build that got out there might become unduly popular way before its ready........
 686 2013-10-09 16:51:41 <sipa> on win32, the advantage isn't *that* big
 687 2013-10-09 16:52:11 <sipa> (largest speedup comes from 64-bit registers and optimized assembly, which doesn't exist for i686)
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 706 2013-10-09 17:12:42 <michagogo> flibbr-dev: Well, you can have a watch-only wallet with a bit of hackery
 707 2013-10-09 17:13:22 <michagogo> Just make a wallet db that has the pubkeys you're looking for, but just gibberish in place of the encrypted privkey
 708 2013-10-09 17:13:25 <Luke-Jr> keypool 100000, copy, encrypt copy with insane long random passphrase, throw away passphrase
 709 2013-10-09 17:13:26 <Luke-Jr> :P
 710 2013-10-09 17:13:40 <michagogo> That also works :P
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 794 2013-10-09 19:25:41 <_Sam---> luke-jr,  is it possible to read the berkeleydb that the various coins store?
 795 2013-10-09 19:25:48 <_Sam---> i can verify it using some standard tools
 796 2013-10-09 19:26:02 <Luke-Jr> _Sam---: what?
 797 2013-10-09 19:26:14 <_Sam---> i want to examine the berkeley db that stores info about the blocks and transcations
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 799 2013-10-09 19:26:26 <_Sam---> i can use some standard linux db-util tools to get the format, and the db verifies fine.
 800 2013-10-09 19:26:33 <_Sam---> but i dont know how i could examine it further.
 801 2013-10-09 19:26:38 <_dr> wallet = bdb; blockchain = leveldb, right?
 802 2013-10-09 19:26:58 <_Sam---> the blockchaindb verifies as berkeleydb
 803 2013-10-09 19:27:24 <_dr> maybe try db_dump from db-utils?
 804 2013-10-09 19:27:58 <_Sam---> i just see bunch of hex and stuff, i think
 805 2013-10-09 19:28:51 <Luke-Jr> _Sam---: the only bdb is the wallet
 806 2013-10-09 19:31:29 <_Sam---> when i run db_stat on the blkindex.dat it reports back as berkeley
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 810 2013-10-09 19:38:28 <Luke-Jr> _Sam---: there is no blkindex.dat anymore.
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 814 2013-10-09 19:41:02 <_Sam---> maybe not for BTC, but for alts.
 815 2013-10-09 19:41:37 <Luke-Jr> _Sam---: scamcoins are off-topic in #bitcoin* channels
 816 2013-10-09 19:42:16 <_Sam---> i only asked about berkeleydb.
 817 2013-10-09 19:42:52 <_Sam---> and its too bad you think like that.   just like there are more asset classes than USD and Gold...lots of people make money mining silver.
 818 2013-10-09 19:43:19 <Luke-Jr> this isn't ##gold or ##silver either
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 824 2013-10-09 19:51:22 <warren> MC1984: if you really want a bitcoin-0.8.5+secp256k1 branch that is gitian win32 buildable I can throw one together.
 825 2013-10-09 19:51:48 <warren> MC1984: it's similar enough to our existing litecoin-0.8.5+secp256k1
 826 2013-10-09 19:54:57 <MC1984> i would apprecient it if its not too much trouble
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 828 2013-10-09 19:56:41 <warren> ok, putting it together.
 829 2013-10-09 19:57:07 <MC1984> cool thanks :)
 830 2013-10-09 19:59:40 <warren> MC1984: you want what we actually tested, or including the most recent secp256k1 patch?
 831 2013-10-09 19:59:45 <warren> https://github.com/sipa/secp256k1/commits/master
 832 2013-10-09 19:59:49 <warren> we didn't test that
 833 2013-10-09 20:00:13 <MC1984> take it from the head and ill test it i suppose
 834 2013-10-09 20:00:19 <warren> ok
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 841 2013-10-09 20:13:42 <mrkent> What's the best practice to back up wallet files that generate new keys consistently?
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 846 2013-10-09 20:15:48 <MC1984> raid?
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 849 2013-10-09 20:16:12 <michagogo> mrkent: Well, just make a new backup every time you use enough keys to approach the keypool limit
 850 2013-10-09 20:16:26 <michagogo> Unless you mean deterministic wallets?
 851 2013-10-09 20:16:39 <MC1984> which is not signalled in the client at all
 852 2013-10-09 20:17:01 <helo> yeah, that is fail :(
 853 2013-10-09 20:17:50 <mrkent> michagogo, no bitcoind
 854 2013-10-09 20:18:10 <jouke> use bitcoind
 855 2013-10-09 20:18:12 <jouke> :P
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 857 2013-10-09 20:18:33 <MC1984> you could make fuckhuge keypool and backup irregularly
 858 2013-10-09 20:18:37 <jouke> Can't you pregenerate keys?
 859 2013-10-09 20:18:42 <MC1984> i mean infrequently
 860 2013-10-09 20:18:48 <michagogo> mrkent: Just use a largish keypool, or backup every <100 times you make a transaction or generate an address
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 862 2013-10-09 20:19:09 <jouke> Oh, you do use bitcoind?
 863 2013-10-09 20:19:27 <mrkent> michagogo, what's a keypool?
 864 2013-10-09 20:19:46 <mrkent> like 100 keypool means 100 is generated at a time?
 865 2013-10-09 20:19:48 <michagogo> mrkent: bitcoind generates a bunch of keys in advance
 866 2013-10-09 20:19:57 <mrkent> alright got it
 867 2013-10-09 20:20:21 <michagogo> Basically, with bitcoind and a keypool setting of 100 (the default) you will always have 100 keys already generated and ready to use
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 869 2013-10-09 20:21:10 <michagogo> when you generate a new one, it gives you the oldest address from the keypool, then generates a new one to add to said pool
 870 2013-10-09 20:21:29 * Luke-Jr goes back to -O0 since -O1 makes debugging impractical :/
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 872 2013-10-09 20:22:22 <mrkent> What's the downside of having too large of a keypool?
 873 2013-10-09 20:22:44 <Luke-Jr> mrkent: bigger wallet file
 874 2013-10-09 20:23:32 <MC1984> it also trains you to forget to backup
 875 2013-10-09 20:23:39 <maaku> mrkent: running out of entropy when you create the keypool
 876 2013-10-09 20:24:12 <MC1984> how can you run out of entroy
 877 2013-10-09 20:24:16 <mrkent> MC1984, no it'll be auto backed up
 878 2013-10-09 20:24:27 <mrkent> just need to know how often
 879 2013-10-09 20:24:44 <MC1984> if its automatic then every 5 mins or w/e
 880 2013-10-09 20:24:46 <MC1984> why not
 881 2013-10-09 20:24:47 <maaku> MC1984: key generation uses up entropy. i'm not sure what your question is?
 882 2013-10-09 20:25:21 <MC1984> how do you get more entropy. linux has urandom right
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 884 2013-10-09 20:29:05 <gmaxwell> maaku: it does not "use up" entropy, as we know no weaknesses that can result from mildly related private keys, and certantly not any which are related via some cryptographic mixing operation.
 885 2013-10-09 20:29:44 <gmaxwell> (otherwise all the determinstic wallets would have all their entropy 'used up' by the second key they put out)
 886 2013-10-09 20:30:56 <gmaxwell> The only downsides I'm aware of: (1) you lose the forced keymanagement unstealing property. and (2) really large keypools can make the wallet slower to load/run
 887 2013-10-09 20:31:15 <michagogo> forced keymanagement unstealing property?
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 891 2013-10-09 20:32:54 <gmaxwell> michagogo: if you lose control of an old backup and someone finds it a smallish keypool means they won't be able to steal all your funds. Basically non-determinstic keys create a kind of implicit key management.
 892 2013-10-09 20:33:13 <michagogo> Ah
 893 2013-10-09 20:33:15 <michagogo> Right.
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 895 2013-10-09 20:33:40 <gmaxwell> I guess I can add a third to that list (3) a really big keypool will make your wallet file large.
 896 2013-10-09 20:34:13 <warren> MC1984: https://github.com/wtogami/bitcoin/commits/btc-0.8.5-secp256k1  This is based on a litecoin branch that we've been shipping for a month now without any reports of bugs.  It will likely build and work on Linux, win32 and mac.  I'm doing a Linux only local build now.  win32 gitian is most likely to work, but never tried to fix non-gitian.
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 899 2013-10-09 20:36:05 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: that was the first one: [20:20:55] <Luke-Jr> mrkent: bigger wallet file
 900 2013-10-09 20:36:07 <Luke-Jr> :p
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 903 2013-10-09 20:36:32 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, if my loverly patch was merged that issue would be less of an issue
 904 2013-10-09 20:36:41 <phantomcircuit> although wait what is this there is a gavin question
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 906 2013-10-09 20:38:48 <mrkent> what is "forced keymanagement unstealing property"
 907 2013-10-09 20:39:38 <gmaxwell> I see I am not the only one here who does not read.
 908 2013-10-09 20:39:54 <gmaxwell> 13:31 < gmaxwell> michagogo: if you lose control of an old backup and someone finds it a smallish keypool means they won't be able to steal all your funds. Basically  non-determinstic keys create a kind of implicit key management.
 909 2013-10-09 20:40:00 <phantomcircuit> CodeShark, https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/2965
 910 2013-10-09 20:40:46 <MC1984> thats true
 911 2013-10-09 20:41:03 <MC1984> well, your wallets should be crypted anyway
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 914 2013-10-09 20:41:13 <CodeShark> phantomcircuit: oh, hmmm
 915 2013-10-09 20:43:11 <gmaxwell> MC1984: there is still a tension there: if your wallet is encrypted with a strong key, then you need to worry about keymanagement and backup of that key too.
 916 2013-10-09 20:43:37 <warren> MC1984: the linux build succeeded, which suggests it will work for win32 gitian
 917 2013-10-09 20:43:44 <MC1984> looks like its keys all the way down
 918 2013-10-09 20:44:35 <MC1984> warren thanks ill try it out a bit later?
 919 2013-10-09 20:44:50 <MC1984> umm -?
 920 2013-10-09 20:46:00 <MC1984> satoshi is getting HD wallets eventually right
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 922 2013-10-09 20:46:08 <warren> what does HD mean?
 923 2013-10-09 20:46:39 <maaku> hierarchical deterministic
 924 2013-10-09 20:46:40 <CodeShark> hierarchical deterministic - BIP0032
 925 2013-10-09 20:47:23 <warren> any of the others do it now?  I hear that Multibit will be the first to do it and Trezor.
 926 2013-10-09 20:47:57 <MC1984> oh its the code
 927 2013-10-09 20:48:09 <MC1984> sorry i think i meant binary.....
 928 2013-10-09 20:48:46 <warren> MC1984: would you like it hand delivered with a gift basket?
 929 2013-10-09 20:48:49 * warren builds it ...
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 932 2013-10-09 20:48:59 <MC1984> sorry i cannot imto compile
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 934 2013-10-09 20:49:04 <MC1984> dont worry about it
 935 2013-10-09 20:50:10 <MC1984> i just wanted to see what this quad core could really do. if compiling is a pita dont worrry
 936 2013-10-09 20:50:22 <warren> building
 937 2013-10-09 20:50:38 <MC1984> oh thanks
 938 2013-10-09 20:50:51 <warren> tiny donation appreciated
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 942 2013-10-09 20:52:49 <MC1984> were it so easy
 943 2013-10-09 20:53:33 <warren> wtf ...
 944 2013-10-09 20:54:02 <MC1984> ?
 945 2013-10-09 20:54:18 <warren> weirdness
 946 2013-10-09 20:55:29 <MC1984> i mean i would but i havent got any coins available and havent for ages, and buying in the UK is a nightmare now
 947 2013-10-09 20:55:50 <warren> i meant the build went haywire
 948 2013-10-09 20:55:55 <MC1984> well ive got some coins but theyre in DEEP storage theyre not even digital right now
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 950 2013-10-09 20:56:05 <MC1984> oh right
 951 2013-10-09 20:56:14 <warren> ok, looks like this one will work, although I'll bbl.
 952 2013-10-09 20:56:36 <MC1984> okie dokie
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 954 2013-10-09 20:57:52 <warren> failed
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 956 2013-10-09 20:58:19 <MC1984> welp
 957 2013-10-09 20:59:15 <warren> sipa: did you rewrite secp256k1 history?
 958 2013-10-09 20:59:47 <warren> hmm appears not
 959 2013-10-09 20:59:55 <warren> somehow my import of secp256k1 is missing things
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 961 2013-10-09 21:01:43 <warren> I see what happened, but I have no idea how it happened.
 962 2013-10-09 21:01:52 <warren> i'm out of time, bbl
 963 2013-10-09 21:02:04 <MC1984> if its gonna be trouble dont worry yourself, its fine
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 965 2013-10-09 21:02:29 <MC1984> eh awkward british politeness up in this bitch
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 970 2013-10-09 21:11:14 <sipa> warren: i'm waiting until 1) secp256k1 is autotoolsed  2) we have no-wallet mode in bitcoin, to import secp256k1 and enable it optionally in a build mode that disables wallet and mining
 971 2013-10-09 21:11:42 <sipa> so there can be "safe" test builds
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 973 2013-10-09 21:12:03 <Luke-Jr> is someone working on 1)?
 974 2013-10-09 21:12:08 <Luke-Jr> seems pretty simple
 975 2013-10-09 21:12:17 <sipa> yes, cfields has already create a pullreq
 976 2013-10-09 21:12:21 <Luke-Jr> ah ok
 977 2013-10-09 21:12:26 <sipa> but i have a few comments he hasn't addressed
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 979 2013-10-09 21:12:50 <Luke-Jr> sipa: what's HD wallets waiting on? :p
 980 2013-10-09 21:12:58 <sipa> me? :p
 981 2013-10-09 21:13:07 <Luke-Jr> you said it was simple though! :P
 982 2013-10-09 21:13:55 <sipa> there's a bunch of wallet stuff to do, some simplifications (like phantomcircuit's stuff), dealing with non-confirming transactions, watch-only stuff, multiwallet maybe...
 983 2013-10-09 21:14:00 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Hmm, a google search for secp256k1 brings up something about the parameters of the ecdsa
 984 2013-10-09 21:14:08 <sipa> and i'm sort of ignoring all things wallet for now
 985 2013-10-09 21:14:17 <sipa> i'd like to get headersfirst in first
 986 2013-10-09 21:14:21 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Is there something else being referred to?
 987 2013-10-09 21:14:54 <sipa> michagogo|cloud: secp256k1 is the name of the elliptic curve that bitcoin uses for ecdsa in transaction (and message) signatures
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 989 2013-10-09 21:15:14 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Yeah, I got that part, I think
 990 2013-10-09 21:15:14 <sipa> and i wrote an optimized implementation for it... also called (lib)secp256k1
 991 2013-10-09 21:15:23 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Ahhhhh
 992 2013-10-09 21:18:17 <sipa> github.com/sipa/secp256k1
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1020 2013-10-09 21:49:55 <maaku> has anyone worked on converting the block store into something supporting deletions and compaction, so as to be more amenable to pruning?
1021 2013-10-09 21:51:29 <Luke-Jr> maaku: the block store is really only used to serve peer requests now
1022 2013-10-09 21:52:36 <maaku> Luke-Jr: I recognize that. And I recognize that other features (e.g. range headers) are required to really implement pruning.
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1024 2013-10-09 21:53:09 <maaku> But eventually the block store will have to support "delete block range n...m" and reclaim the disk space, in a pruning client.
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1026 2013-10-09 21:53:34 <maaku> I'm not sure how you would easily or efficiently do that in the current implementation.
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1030 2013-10-09 21:55:05 <sipa> maaku: very easy
1031 2013-10-09 21:55:07 <michagogo> If I'm not mistaken, the way it's built atm is such that anything that's been written will never be touched
1032 2013-10-09 21:55:13 <michagogo> It's purely append-only
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1035 2013-10-09 21:55:18 <sipa> in 128 MiB files
1036 2013-10-09 21:55:30 <sipa> the intention is to implement pruning by removing entire files
1037 2013-10-09 21:55:36 <michagogo> Ah, I see
1038 2013-10-09 21:55:44 <maaku> oh, i see
1039 2013-10-09 21:55:56 <sipa> (that was the reason for moving to smaller files)
1040 2013-10-09 21:56:33 <maaku> so, presuming that the pruned client will only care to preserve consecutive data
1041 2013-10-09 21:58:06 <sipa> ?
1042 2013-10-09 21:58:15 <sipa> sequentially-stored blocks, yes
1043 2013-10-09 21:58:28 <sipa> i'm not sure something like "retain only every Nth block" is useful
1044 2013-10-09 21:59:27 <maaku> sipa: some people have told me that they want to preserve blocks containing their transactions
1045 2013-10-09 21:59:35 <gmaxwell> uh, why?
1046 2013-10-09 21:59:41 <maaku> that was my response too
1047 2013-10-09 21:59:51 <gmaxwell> why not just preserve the spv fragments for their transactions?
1048 2013-10-09 22:00:17 <sipa> i don't see the point
1049 2013-10-09 22:00:19 <gmaxwell> In any case, the small files mean that even if you want random blocks you can do reasonably efficient rewrites without needing lots of extra temporary space.
1050 2013-10-09 22:00:31 <gmaxwell> Though I think thats pointless.
1051 2013-10-09 22:00:39 <sipa> if anything, i think wallets and verification nodes should grow more independently
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1053 2013-10-09 22:05:38 <MC1984> thats pretty much the case already
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