1 2013-10-13 00:00:00 <sipa> in theoretical conditions, it should just be a straight line with a slope of one day per day
  2 2013-10-13 00:00:07 <sipa> (=constant hashrate)
  3 2013-10-13 00:02:13 <sipa> apparently, we never got higher than one yet
  4 2013-10-13 00:02:18 <sipa> *one year
  5 2013-10-13 00:09:10 <MC1984> hasnt that gone up a lot since recently
  6 2013-10-13 00:12:07 <sipa> http://bitcoin.sipa.be/powdays-50k.png
  7 2013-10-13 00:14:14 <gmaxwell> sipa: really there we're mostly seeing the inverse of this: http://bitcoin.sipa.be/growth.png
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 20 2013-10-13 00:44:12 <warren> TD: BlueMatt: around?
 21 2013-10-13 00:45:26 <midnightmagic> sipa: only 50 days?
 22 2013-10-13 00:45:36 <sipa> 48
 23 2013-10-13 00:45:50 <midnightmagic> good heavens
 24 2013-10-13 00:46:27 <midnightmagic> i wonder if that could be considered a vulnerability of sorts.
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 26 2013-10-13 00:47:30 <midnightmagic> how many jokers are there who would point their hashrate at an attacking pool just to see what happens
 27 2013-10-13 00:50:19 <MC1984> doesnt this become less of a problem as time goes on
 28 2013-10-13 00:50:39 <midnightmagic> (and I mean joker in the sense of the joker effect as per: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022519311001639)
 29 2013-10-13 00:50:49 <MC1984> it seems a symptom of recent massive hashrate jumps to my feeble mind
 30 2013-10-13 00:50:52 <midnightmagic> MC1984: not if we continue to experience exponential growth
 31 2013-10-13 00:51:00 <midnightmagic> or even geometric
 32 2013-10-13 00:51:36 <MC1984> that wouldnt be a probme were it not most of this power is running thru a couple of pools
 33 2013-10-13 00:51:51 <MC1984> and no one gives a shit about p2pool or anything
 34 2013-10-13 00:52:04 <midnightmagic> .. you have a potty mouth.
 35 2013-10-13 00:52:22 <MC1984> a what?
 36 2013-10-13 00:54:44 <midnightmagic> Because I hate paywalls: http://magicrulesunpaa6.onion/the_joker_effect.pdf
 37 2013-10-13 00:55:24 <midnightmagic> MC1984: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pottymouth
 38 2013-10-13 00:55:59 <MC1984> oh
 39 2013-10-13 00:56:02 <MC1984> sorry dad?
 40 2013-10-13 00:56:18 <midnightmagic> also "potty" is the term used for the toilet, usually for toilet training children.
 41 2013-10-13 00:57:23 <MC1984> thats nice
 42 2013-10-13 00:59:01 <MC1984> so say a third of the current power could dark mine from the genesis block a chain that could reorg our current entire chain in about 4-5 months
 43 2013-10-13 00:59:11 <MC1984> presumably for the lols
 44 2013-10-13 01:01:09 <K1773R> MC1984: your aware of checkpoints?
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 46 2013-10-13 01:01:40 <MC1984> oh yeah
 47 2013-10-13 01:02:04 <MC1984> well, those shouldnt be relied on anyway
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 54 2013-10-13 01:24:29 <nanotube> <MC1984> so say a third of the current power <- if it's less than half power, they'll never beat the rest of the net and cause a reorg. it's gotta be more.
 55 2013-10-13 01:24:47 <nanotube> 50 days basically means "all the hash power switches to the joker pool"
 56 2013-10-13 01:25:07 <nanotube> then how long will it take them to reproduce the existing chain.
 57 2013-10-13 01:26:01 <MC1984> oh yes
 58 2013-10-13 01:26:05 <MC1984> im tired
 59 2013-10-13 01:26:39 <warren> reproduce? =)
 60 2013-10-13 01:26:44 <warren> bit for bit?
 61 2013-10-13 01:27:49 <nanotube> warren: well, equivalent-sum-difficulty :)
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 63 2013-10-13 01:27:57 <nanotube> bit-for-bit reproduction would be a lot faster. :P
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100 2013-10-13 02:37:55 <MC1984> guys nearly 11 blocks and hour right now
101 2013-10-13 02:37:56 <MC1984> wtf
102 2013-10-13 02:39:31 <Belxjander> maybe post-mtgox restart there has been a surge of transactions? so a parallel surge of block generation?
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184 2013-10-13 05:38:01 <warren> wumpus: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2861  regarding watch-only, as this is the only feature needed by coinpunk and they probably want to avoid possible breakage on master, perhaps providing them a 0.8.5 + watchonly branch would be prudent so they avoid complications.
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200 2013-10-13 05:54:23 <gmaxwell> warren: huh? thats probably one of the most requested features (I'm not sure if that or something coin control is more requested)
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202 2013-10-13 05:55:45 <warren> gmaxwell: I didn't say it wasn't most requested.  I'm saying coinpunk needs something stable now.  I was going to make a supported backport to 0.8 anyway so I might as well do it.
203 2013-10-13 05:57:06 <gmaxwell> supported by what?
204 2013-10-13 05:57:33 <warren> supported in that if someone reports a problem I'll look at it
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206 2013-10-13 06:01:39 <Luke-Jr> watch-only only makes sense for the global wallet
207 2013-10-13 06:01:56 <Luke-Jr> which requires HD wallets really, but you can easily get a practical emulation using a huge keypool
208 2013-10-13 06:02:05 <Luke-Jr> with vanilla code
209 2013-10-13 06:02:38 <phantomcircuit> tbh i think giant keypool wallets are easier for people to understand
210 2013-10-13 06:13:50 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: I don't get people's resistance to huge keypools.
211 2013-10-13 06:13:59 <gmaxwell> But generally people have been unwilling to use them.
212 2013-10-13 06:14:21 <Luke-Jr> that's what we're using for Eligius's storefront
213 2013-10-13 06:14:38 <Luke-Jr> because the n00bs who wrote the Drupal module expect a bitcoind
214 2013-10-13 06:14:50 <Luke-Jr> even though there's no reason for it
215 2013-10-13 06:15:48 <Luke-Jr> but yeah, it works pretty nice
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217 2013-10-13 06:18:29 <warren> will 0.9 have a feature freeze at some point?  do you really want several major changes in one release?
218 2013-10-13 06:18:32 <phantomcircuit> that reminds me i should add that comment gavin asked for
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223 2013-10-13 06:24:35 <gmaxwell> warren: We've not really been burned from feature bunching before. I think we've had better success from bunches of features and then fix-only releases.
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225 2013-10-13 06:24:53 <gmaxwell> Having a bunch of fix+one feature updates makes it harder to get people to update. But ::shrugs::
226 2013-10-13 06:25:21 <gmaxwell> only 11% of luke-jr's node count are immune to being crashed with a couple of packets. :(
227 2013-10-13 06:25:32 <warren> huh?
228 2013-10-13 06:25:42 <warren> only 11% nodes upgraded?
229 2013-10-13 06:25:52 <gmaxwell> only 11% are 0.8.4/0.8.5.
230 2013-10-13 06:25:56 <warren> oh
231 2013-10-13 06:26:22 <gmaxwell> though I even wonder how many of the other nodes are real.
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233 2013-10-13 06:27:04 <sipa> how do you mean?
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235 2013-10-13 06:27:58 <warren> feature bunching is one thing, the big things like no wallet, multiwallet, watchonly, coin control and headers first are great as they are functionally equivalent to the previous version.
236 2013-10-13 06:28:25 <warren> I am nervous though if people want to push for the unproven changes like floating fees at the same time as those other major features.
237 2013-10-13 06:28:51 <gmaxwell> warren: sounds like a reasonable concern to me.
238 2013-10-13 06:29:09 <gmaxwell> perhaps seperating network behavior updates from client functionality updates makes sense.
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240 2013-10-13 06:31:42 <gmaxwell> sipa: I mean I dunno if the things he's polling are really unique nodes, or if it just has a lot of old non-functioning things on dynamic IPs getting multi-counted or what.
241 2013-10-13 06:32:00 <warren> the gigantic review pile right now needs a lot of time to stabilize, but the vast majority of it won't result in any major changes to network behavior, so it's easier to validate.
242 2013-10-13 06:32:45 <gmaxwell> On tor I see a very different profile of peers.
243 2013-10-13 06:33:01 <sipa> gmaxwell, warren another reason to split up valodayion and wallets...
244 2013-10-13 06:33:33 <warren> valodayion?
245 2013-10-13 06:33:34 <warren> oh
246 2013-10-13 06:33:44 <sipa> oh my
247 2013-10-13 06:33:48 <sipa> validation
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249 2013-10-13 06:34:07 <warren> gmaxwell: Luke-Jr: solution to de-duplicating the node count =)
250 2013-10-13 06:34:22 <warren> make all nodes uniquely identifiable
251 2013-10-13 06:34:22 <gmaxwell> e.g. what I'm connected to right now is:
252 2013-10-13 06:34:25 <gmaxwell>       1 /Satoshi:0.6.99/
253 2013-10-13 06:34:25 <gmaxwell>       1 /Satoshi:0.8.0/
254 2013-10-13 06:34:25 <gmaxwell>       3 /Satoshi:0.8.3/
255 2013-10-13 06:34:25 <gmaxwell>       3 /Satoshi:0.8.99/
256 2013-10-13 06:34:25 <gmaxwell>       5 /Satoshi:0.8.1/
257 2013-10-13 06:34:27 <gmaxwell>      14 /Satoshi:0.8.5/
258 2013-10-13 06:34:57 <warren> oops
259 2013-10-13 06:35:08 <sipa> Luke-Jr: which nodes do you count?
260 2013-10-13 06:35:08 <Belxjander> GUID or UUID generated to Identify each Client installation?
261 2013-10-13 06:35:09 <warren> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2910 <--- solution to de-duplicating the node count
262 2013-10-13 06:35:12 <Belxjander> or per-version?
263 2013-10-13 06:35:22 <gmaxwell> Also I've been seeing some really sketchy stuff on public v4 nodes, like all slots used up by something claiming to be Satoshi without slashes.
264 2013-10-13 06:35:25 * warren is only half-joking.
265 2013-10-13 06:36:03 <Luke-Jr> sipa: everything polled in the last week basiclaly
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267 2013-10-13 06:36:42 <sipa> ic
268 2013-10-13 06:37:00 <gmaxwell> warren: you should be entirely joking, crapping on user privacy to improve stats is usually not a good tradeoff. :)
269 2013-10-13 06:37:29 <sipa> you could weight by reachability% per day or something
270 2013-10-13 06:37:42 <gmaxwell> (arguably version ids are not great either, but you can usually get the same data indirectly, and they're pretty important for things like the current discussion)
271 2013-10-13 06:38:07 <warren> gmaxwell: just pointing out this should be fixed, or used to get accurate node counts...
272 2013-10-13 06:38:33 <gmaxwell> warren: its fixed by headers first.
273 2013-10-13 06:38:41 <sipa> i'm not sure there is a problem?
274 2013-10-13 06:38:46 <gmaxwell> and its not useful for passive fingerprinting.
275 2013-10-13 06:38:58 <gmaxwell> (or at least not very)
276 2013-10-13 06:39:06 <warren> it's easy enough to generate a very early fork at will
277 2013-10-13 06:39:24 <warren> easy enough to tag all nodes you find uniquely
278 2013-10-13 06:39:24 <gmaxwell> warren: we don't save those.
279 2013-10-13 06:39:38 <gmaxwell> (unless the node is in IBD)
280 2013-10-13 06:39:54 <gmaxwell> otherwise you could trivially run a node out of diskspace... and that was fixed years ago.
281 2013-10-13 06:40:15 <warren> oh, I misunderstood it then...
282 2013-10-13 06:40:59 <warren> so it would be safe for a tool to exist that trims out all ancient forks from your local blocks before a reindex
283 2013-10-13 06:41:10 <warren> just to save some storage?
284 2013-10-13 06:42:21 <gmaxwell> it would only save 1% on a node that has run forever. boring.
285 2013-10-13 06:42:25 <sipa> that's possible, but i doubt it's worth it
286 2013-10-13 06:42:41 <sipa> !hi5 gmaxwell
287 2013-10-13 06:42:41 <gribble> Error: "hi5" is not a valid command.
288 2013-10-13 06:43:13 <gmaxwell> you can do it yourself by making a bootstrap.dat and reiniting from it.
289 2013-10-13 06:43:20 <gmaxwell> not the fastest way though.
290 2013-10-13 06:44:31 <Luke-Jr> http://www.newslo.com/treasury-moves-to-back-us-debt-with-bitcoins-fearing-default/ lol
291 2013-10-13 06:45:24 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: meh, just use some hole-making API to sparsify the existing data ;)
292 2013-10-13 06:45:38 <warren> backed by the full faith and credit of <nobody>.
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337 2013-10-13 08:06:30 <dust-otc> what exactly is the syntax of sendmany, it just isn't working for me
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339 2013-10-13 08:11:24 <dust-otc> non-rpc example found here, got it workig: https://bitcointalk.org/?topic=4254.0
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369 2013-10-13 09:34:52 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: I dunno how to do a project wide block. If the obvious block button worked he would have already been blocked. :)
370 2013-10-13 09:38:30 <jgarzik> heh
371 2013-10-13 09:40:27 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Who?
372 2013-10-13 09:41:53 <sipa> idiotsabound
373 2013-10-13 09:47:50 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|;;google idiotsabound
374 2013-10-13 09:47:51 <gribble> Back in Black - Idiots Abound - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 11 ...: <http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-november-2-1999/back-in-black---idiots-abound>; Letters: Idiots abound - The Daily News: <http://tdn.com/news/opinion/letters-idiots-abound/article_b79cbe0c-cfb9-11e2-bf0e-001a4bcf887a.html>; Idiots Abound | Clarissa's Blog: <http://clarissasblog.com/2013/08/24 (1 more message)
375 2013-10-13 09:48:05 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|:\
376 2013-10-13 09:48:53 <gmaxwell> michagogo|cloud: some person who is posting offtopic antagonistic black helecopter spew on an old pull request. He's helpfully named himself idiotsabound.
377 2013-10-13 09:49:21 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Ah
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379 2013-10-13 09:50:34 <jgarzik> well, blocking was utterly ineffective
380 2013-10-13 09:50:49 <jgarzik> come on github, at least be as effective as twitter blocking...
381 2013-10-13 09:51:24 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: dunno if you recall, but he got blocked previously on our github. (His prior parting remark was "I will troll this thing relentlessly")
382 2013-10-13 09:52:19 <gmaxwell> dunno why the original block stopped working, but I guess he's being true to his word.
383 2013-10-13 09:52:46 <sipa> blocked him too now
384 2013-10-13 09:53:21 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Apparently my PR with the update to my gpg key (added a couple UIDs that specifically refer to my freenode and github identities) attracted someone looking for key-related help with the ppa on Linux Mint
385 2013-10-13 09:54:53 <gmaxwell> michagogo|cloud: yea, once your name is on the internet you become the world's therapist technician.
386 2013-10-13 09:55:30 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I didn't even know ppas worked on Mint...
387 2013-10-13 09:55:36 <jgarzik> The blocks appear worse than useless
388 2013-10-13 09:55:46 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(Or maybe they actually don't?)
389 2013-10-13 09:55:47 <sipa> jgarzik: it's just an ignore
390 2013-10-13 09:55:52 <jgarzik> yes
391 2013-10-13 09:56:12 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|jgarzik: Worse? How is it worse than useless?
392 2013-10-13 09:56:13 <sipa> my favorite mail i got is still "I read some information about bitcoin, said to close the Currency, is that true?"
393 2013-10-13 09:56:32 <gmaxwell> At least thats 90% english failure.
394 2013-10-13 09:56:35 <jgarzik> In the context of a PR, it would be disappointing, though, to have information sitting around in PRs that everyone in the world sees -except- the core devs.
395 2013-10-13 09:56:44 <jgarzik> thus, worse than useless.
396 2013-10-13 09:57:14 <gmaxwell> sipa: I like that the name of the author of that mail was "General Information"
397 2013-10-13 09:57:32 <sipa> jgarzik: good point
398 2013-10-13 09:57:33 <gmaxwell> I am imagining a uniform adorned with little ones and zeros on the breast.
399 2013-10-13 09:58:02 <sipa> gmaxwell: ROFL
400 2013-10-13 09:58:03 * jgarzik still occasionally gets reporters asking about Bitcoin, the company.  Asking about when Bitcoin released its flagship product, asking to speak to the CEO, ...
401 2013-10-13 09:58:19 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|sipa: btw, were those new UIDs the kind of thing you were talking about?
402 2013-10-13 09:58:34 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|jgarzik: haha
403 2013-10-13 09:58:34 <sipa> michagogo|cloud: yeah, i may have spoken too soon; i'm not sure how useful those are
404 2013-10-13 09:59:33 <sipa> gmaxwell: "Who is this General Failure, and why is he reading my hard drive?"
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406 2013-10-13 10:00:17 <sipa> jgarzik: haven't had any of those
407 2013-10-13 10:00:38 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|"Who is General Failure, and why is he making my pings fail?"
408 2013-10-13 10:01:04 <jgarzik> Then there are the emails assuming I know about a secret backdoor that permits a poor, hapless, deletion-prone soul to recover their lost bitcoins.
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410 2013-10-13 10:01:39 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|jgarzik: lol. Why are you the target of all this?
411 2013-10-13 10:01:52 <gmaxwell> Name on the website.
412 2013-10-13 10:02:09 <sipa> i don't get such mails
413 2013-10-13 10:02:15 <gmaxwell> I get them too, but I'm lower on the list than Jeff so I assume I get fewer of them. (A lot of them, like the close to the Currency one, copy all of us)
414 2013-10-13 10:02:25 <sipa> or maybe i mentally ignore them
415 2013-10-13 10:02:40 <jgarzik> answering reporters questions raises the profile too
416 2013-10-13 10:02:40 <gmaxwell> well I know you get some of them, you just mentioned one above!
417 2013-10-13 10:03:22 <gmaxwell> There are a couple of reporters that hit me up for technical questions here and there. The trick to avoid this is never answer them. But at one point one of them said something wrong in their initial email ... sneaky bastards.
418 2013-10-13 10:03:26 <sipa> i'm sure i've never had a mail asking when bitcoin would release a product, or to ask to its ceo
419 2013-10-13 10:03:38 <jgarzik> gmaxwell, haha
420 2013-10-13 10:03:56 <jgarzik> gmaxwell, I'm easy to troll for similar reasons
421 2013-10-13 10:04:14 <sipa> i do find a mail about someone who lost his multibit wallet
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424 2013-10-13 10:04:37 <sipa> oh, and several mails claiming they can make bitcoin rank higher on google!
425 2013-10-13 10:04:57 <gmaxwell> Hm. I don't think I have any of those.
426 2013-10-13 10:05:06 <jgarzik> Reminds me of Linus Torvalds' #2 man, so to speak, Andrew Morton.  If there was a sticky technical issue, Andrew would write a patch that annoys everybody, and commit it to his widely-used fork.
427 2013-10-13 10:05:23 <jgarzik> Yeah, I've gotten several of those improve-bitcoin-SEO emails.
428 2013-10-13 10:05:33 <sipa> (i've heard about people who get mails how to get "their" google.com site rank higher on google...)
429 2013-10-13 10:05:38 <jgarzik> Also, one or two persistent companies that want to Q/A bitcoin, for a high price.
430 2013-10-13 10:05:50 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Note to self: if ever emailing or otherwise trying to contact jgarzik or gmaxwell, to expedite a response, think of some absurdly wrong thing about bitcoins to mention in passing
431 2013-10-13 10:05:50 <jgarzik> (but have no idea what bitcoin is)
432 2013-10-13 10:05:52 <gmaxwell> E.g. "I would like to put bitcoins on a site I am building and curious about the security.  How does that work peer to peer?"
433 2013-10-13 10:06:07 <jgarzik> :)
434 2013-10-13 10:06:10 <gmaxwell> michagogo|cloud: there is an art, I give up on a lot of stuff.
435 2013-10-13 10:06:39 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|s/absurd/subtle/
436 2013-10-13 10:06:40 <sipa> maybe we should delegate someone to go undercover as a troll
437 2013-10-13 10:06:49 <sipa> to learn their ways, gain their trust
438 2013-10-13 10:06:55 * jgarzik trolls:
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440 2013-10-13 10:07:19 <gmaxwell> sipa: you also got the "i want to work with bitcoin\nsomebody's said they work with bitcoin\nand to work with bitcoin i need cpu have vega card 12 giga and run my pc 24h"
441 2013-10-13 10:07:27 <sipa> gmaxwell: yup
442 2013-10-13 10:07:45 <sipa> i certainly didn't mean i never get weird mails
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444 2013-10-13 10:07:53 <sipa> but not the type that jgarzik mentioned earlier
445 2013-10-13 10:08:05 <gmaxwell> Yea, I haven't gotten any of the bitcoin corporation ones lately, I know I've gotten them in the past.
446 2013-10-13 10:08:07 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I maked eleventy copys of a brian wallet on paper and posted them around my building and now my bit coinage is missing
447 2013-10-13 10:08:15 <jgarzik> Been thinking about posting a "roadmap to 1.0" doc, with basic targets everybody can agree on.  My general opinion is "wallet mode in separate process" along the lines of SPV+headers first sync that has been discussed here.  Nothing magic about 1.0 besides removing the "beta" label.  After 4 years, it is rather pointless.  The network is what it is.  There will be no 1.0 flag day.
448 2013-10-13 10:08:20 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|What do I help to get them back
449 2013-10-13 10:08:23 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Please advise
450 2013-10-13 10:08:23 <gmaxwell> Also, there were people looking for sales jobs for us.
451 2013-10-13 10:08:43 <sipa> michagogo|cloud: needs more typos
452 2013-10-13 10:09:04 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Plaese advidr
453 2013-10-13 10:09:27 <sipa> haha, a briant wallet
454 2013-10-13 10:09:30 <sipa> -t
455 2013-10-13 10:09:45 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|On papar!
456 2013-10-13 10:09:56 <sipa> jgarzik, gmaxwell: any quick pullreqs you can ack? i'd like to test my pull-merge script :p
457 2013-10-13 10:10:15 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|[image of a bitcoin privkey inside a crudely drawn brain]
458 2013-10-13 10:10:21 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|sipa: what about 3086?
459 2013-10-13 10:10:30 <jgarzik> more typos + more specific information (yet frustratingly not the data you need).   "I am using bitcoin 8.2 on windows Service PACK 2.  It crashes, but only displays a balance."
460 2013-10-13 10:10:32 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(I think that was the number)
461 2013-10-13 10:10:45 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: oh man, thats awesome and so true.
462 2013-10-13 10:11:52 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, that has to be a troll
463 2013-10-13 10:12:05 <phantomcircuit> that isn't an amount of information that even makes sense
464 2013-10-13 10:12:24 <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: have you watched the information people provide? that so sounds like a bug report.
465 2013-10-13 10:12:28 <sipa> many people are using bitcoin 4.8.2, btw
466 2013-10-13 10:12:29 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|phantomcircuit: I think that's the point :-P
467 2013-10-13 10:12:36 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|sipa: wat
468 2013-10-13 10:12:42 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, sigh
469 2013-10-13 10:12:42 <phantomcircuit> yes
470 2013-10-13 10:12:50 <sipa> (they click on 'Qt version' and think that's bitcoin)
471 2013-10-13 10:13:05 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Hah
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473 2013-10-13 10:13:27 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, my personal favorite are the bug reports on intersango; "why wont it let me schedule a wire for 0.15 EUR?"
474 2013-10-13 10:14:03 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|What?
475 2013-10-13 10:14:07 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Schedule?
476 2013-10-13 10:14:11 <gmaxwell> Yea. "I am using bitcoin 4.8.2 and it doesn't work at all. Plus when I send it takes a long time. My account is with MTGOX."
477 2013-10-13 10:14:18 <phantomcircuit> lol
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479 2013-10-13 10:14:57 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I'm not
480 2013-10-13 10:15:14 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I'm not sure exactly what happened last night when I was tired
481 2013-10-13 10:15:45 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|But somehow I ended up with a several hundred MB pubring.gpg
482 2013-10-13 10:16:11 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(And gpg --list-keys turned up nothing)
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486 2013-10-13 10:25:45 <jgarzik> an add-to-GPG virus would be interesting
487 2013-10-13 10:26:15 <jgarzik> though given the target audience of "people who use GPG", success rate might be low ;p
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496 2013-10-13 10:38:46 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Hmm
497 2013-10-13 10:38:59 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Looks like for some reason I thought it would be a good idea to do something like this:
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499 2013-10-13 10:40:19 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|`gpg --recv-keys #{`gpg --list-sigs`.scan(/\h\h\h\h\h\h\h\h/).uniq.join(" ")}`
500 2013-10-13 10:40:28 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|...recursively
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554 2013-10-13 12:30:42 <skinnkavaj> Omfg
555 2013-10-13 12:30:48 <skinnkavaj> Someone hacked my bitcointalk account
556 2013-10-13 12:30:51 <skinnkavaj> and started to post crap
557 2013-10-13 12:30:53 <skinnkavaj> Look here:
558 2013-10-13 12:30:57 <skinnkavaj> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=310086.msg3329670#msg3329670
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587 2013-10-13 13:19:35 <ShapeShifter499> hi
588 2013-10-13 13:20:16 <ShapeShifter499> I have two old computers a old Acer Netbook and a old Apple PowerBook G4, anyone think I could cluster them to mine bitcoins?
589 2013-10-13 13:20:30 <ShapeShifter499> would it be worth the effort?
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594 2013-10-13 13:31:26 <keyboard> ShapeShifter499, lol
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596 2013-10-13 13:35:34 <sipa> ;;genrate 1000
597 2013-10-13 13:35:35 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 189281249.281, is 0.00265692728858 BTC per day and 0.000110705303691 BTC per hour.
598 2013-10-13 13:35:45 <sipa> ShapeShifter499: maybe 1 BTC in a year
599 2013-10-13 13:35:54 <sipa> likely much less :)
600 2013-10-13 13:36:04 <sipa> eh
601 2013-10-13 13:36:25 <sipa> sorry, maybe 1 mBTC in a year :)
602 2013-10-13 13:36:34 <ShapeShifter499> what should I do if I want to get into mining bitcoin?
603 2013-10-13 13:36:40 <sipa> forget it
604 2013-10-13 13:37:00 <ShapeShifter499> :o
605 2013-10-13 13:37:15 <sipa> (or invest into ASICs, and gamble on the increase in difficulty and production speed of hardware, if you're serious about it)
606 2013-10-13 13:37:50 <ShapeShifter499> I remember when I passed over bitcoin on some article a few years ago... looked it up to find a bitcoin was only a few pennies per bitcoin...
607 2013-10-13 13:37:59 <ShapeShifter499> oh how I wish I had invested
608 2013-10-13 13:38:03 <sipa> haha
609 2013-10-13 13:38:11 <sipa> i bought my first BTC at $0.27/BTC :)
610 2013-10-13 13:38:25 <sipa> sold them when the exchange rate suddenly spiked to $0.40/BTC
611 2013-10-13 13:39:31 <ShapeShifter499> if I had brought a 100 bitcoins back then I would have made some serious gain
612 2013-10-13 13:39:37 <ShapeShifter499> fml
613 2013-10-13 13:40:00 <sipa> hindsight is +infinity/20
614 2013-10-13 13:40:15 <ShapeShifter499> I kind of thought it was some scam with no chance in hell of getting over a few dollars in worth
615 2013-10-13 13:40:33 <ShapeShifter499> let alone a hundred xD
616 2013-10-13 13:41:37 <sipa> in any case, a bit off-topic here
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618 2013-10-13 13:41:59 <ShapeShifter499> yea oh well....
619 2013-10-13 13:42:09 <ShapeShifter499> sipa, back to topic then
620 2013-10-13 13:42:11 <ShapeShifter499> xD
621 2013-10-13 13:42:39 <sipa> if you're serious: buy ASICs, and hope you get them before the difficulty rise made them worthless
622 2013-10-13 13:43:04 <sipa> and #bitcoin-mining i guess
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624 2013-10-13 13:45:34 <ShapeShifter499> sipa, oops didn't even know about #bitcoin-mining
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626 2013-10-13 13:46:36 <ShapeShifter499> sipa, I wonder if litecoin will take a similar path
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649 2013-10-13 14:17:54 <Azelphur> Hey folks, wondering if anyone could give me a hand with bitcoind segmentation faulting not long after startup. The backtrace doesn't yield very much info, unfortunately. http://pastebin.com/Q2Uhndrm
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651 2013-10-13 14:19:25 <sipa> what's in debug.log?
652 2013-10-13 14:22:54 * Azelphur generates a fresh one
653 2013-10-13 14:23:41 <Azelphur> sipa: is debug.log safe to paste? this is a wallet with coins in it
654 2013-10-13 14:24:29 <Azelphur> I'm guessing yes, just prefer to be safe :)
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656 2013-10-13 14:26:57 <Azelphur> had a read over and it looks safe enough, hafne http://pastebin.com/kGuMZfkz
657 2013-10-13 14:27:05 <sipa> yeah
658 2013-10-13 14:27:08 <Azelphur> sipa: rather xD
659 2013-10-13 14:28:00 <sipa> heh
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664 2013-10-13 14:32:28 <Azelphur> sipa: looks like it's something specifically relevant to that wallet, if I pull that wallet out, it works.
665 2013-10-13 14:33:13 <Azelphur> he might have fucked his wallet up, I know he was using bitcoin-qt and bitcoind at the same time
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667 2013-10-13 14:35:00 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Azelphur: You never ever want more than one client running against the same datadir at a time
668 2013-10-13 14:35:06 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|In fact, it should be impossible
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670 2013-10-13 14:35:32 <Azelphur> michagogo|cloud: indeed, I grumbled at him as soon as I found out he was doing it, he corrupted his blockchain so I redownloaded it, looks like his wallet might have a case of the dead too
671 2013-10-13 14:35:34 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|How did he use them both at the same time,
672 2013-10-13 14:35:35 <Azelphur> or at least, damaged
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675 2013-10-13 14:35:46 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|time?*
676 2013-10-13 14:35:59 <Azelphur> no idea.
677 2013-10-13 14:36:25 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|There was (probably) no need to redownload, a reindeer should have done it
678 2013-10-13 14:36:30 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Erm, reindex
679 2013-10-13 14:36:40 <Azelphur> tried reindex it didn't help :(
680 2013-10-13 14:36:48 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|As for the wallet, make a backup of the wallet, and try -salvagewallet
681 2013-10-13 14:36:58 <Azelphur> righto
682 2013-10-13 14:37:33 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(That is, copy the wallet somewhere safe, have it in datadir as wallet.dat, and start with -salvagewallet)
683 2013-10-13 14:37:36 <Azelphur> Error: wallet.dat corrupt, salvage failed \o/
684 2013-10-13 14:37:45 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Damn.
685 2013-10-13 14:37:49 <Azelphur> yea, first thing I did was take a backup of wallet.dat
686 2013-10-13 14:38:06 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|You could try pointing bdb tools at it
687 2013-10-13 14:38:36 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|db_dump or whatever it's calle
688 2013-10-13 14:38:37 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|D
689 2013-10-13 14:39:07 <Azelphur> sounds fun, will try that if I can't get it to go
690 2013-10-13 14:40:48 * michagogo cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|doesn't know how bdb works and how the files are formatted, etc
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707 2013-10-13 15:10:32 <Jere_Jones> I wonder if a blockchain could contain two different types of "coins".  Such that it tracks the movement of two distinct types of coin.  Each with its own creation/spending rules.
708 2013-10-13 15:11:16 <sipa> in theory, sure
709 2013-10-13 15:11:25 <sipa> but that's hardly interesting
710 2013-10-13 15:11:57 <Jere_Jones> There has been so much talk about colored coins lately.  I, personally, don't like the idea of them in the bitcoin blockchain.
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712 2013-10-13 15:12:23 <Jere_Jones> My thoughts have thus led towards how a ColorCoin altcoin would work.
713 2013-10-13 15:13:04 <Jere_Jones> Incentive to mine and spam prevention are where my plan fails.
714 2013-10-13 15:13:36 <Jere_Jones> Anyway, I was just thinking and wanted a reality check.
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717 2013-10-13 15:19:46 <jgarzik> Jere_Jones, it would always be nice if traffic were on another chain
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719 2013-10-13 15:20:02 <jgarzik> Jere_Jones, difficult to bootstrap, though, because chains always begin life weak
720 2013-10-13 15:20:19 <jgarzik> Jere_Jones, I myself have always wanted a separate "smart property" chain
721 2013-10-13 15:20:42 <Jere_Jones> That is exactly what I'm thinking about.
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761 2013-10-13 16:20:18 <Jere_Jones> I wonder if that would result in a SatoshiShare.com.  "Gamble away your shares of Labcoin here!"
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763 2013-10-13 16:23:50 <melvster> a good colored coin should absolutely minimize use of the block chain
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785 2013-10-13 17:12:56 <amiller> the main drawback of colored coins is that they're incompatible with SPV security
786 2013-10-13 17:14:36 <amiller> if the ability to have an SPV client is really important (like, for scalability, eventually) then that might be a big deal
787 2013-10-13 17:17:52 <MC1984> we really need a notarycoin
788 2013-10-13 17:17:56 <MC1984> merge mined
789 2013-10-13 17:18:13 <MC1984> if people are gonna use a chain for this stuff anyway
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877 2013-10-13 20:37:01 <TD> good evening
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891 2013-10-13 21:09:47 <midnightmagic> with correct file or region locking it is very possible to run multiple processes against the same data directory.
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893 2013-10-13 21:10:28 <midnightmagic> (speaking about non-bitcoin software now)
894 2013-10-13 21:10:55 <sipa> leveldb doesn't support that, though :)
895 2013-10-13 21:11:01 <sipa> bdb did
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929 2013-10-13 22:44:24 <jgarzik> MC1984_, +1 for notarycoin
930 2013-10-13 22:44:42 <jgarzik> you could call it namecoin, and bring that dying project back to life
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