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  15 2013-10-14 00:31:48 <Krellan> gmaxwell: Thanks for your help earlier along, my patch made it in! https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2937
  16 2013-10-14 00:32:21 <sipa> Krellan: yw :)
  17 2013-10-14 00:32:35 <gmaxwell> Krellan: thanks for contributing!
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  19 2013-10-14 00:33:31 <Krellan> Also thanks sipa :)
  20 2013-10-14 00:33:33 <Krellan> yw
  21 2013-10-14 00:34:27 <sipa> Krellan: have you seen https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2784 ?
  22 2013-10-14 00:37:27 <Krellan> sipa: Nice. Informative discussions in there.
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  70 2013-10-14 02:42:29 <Zoop_> so my bitcoin client crashed
  71 2013-10-14 02:42:48 <Zoop_> with a MS visual c++ error
  72 2013-10-14 02:42:55 <Zoop_> ran it again
  73 2013-10-14 02:43:12 <Zoop_> shows a warning: check computer time and date
  74 2013-10-14 02:43:34 <Zoop_> bitcoin might not work properly
  75 2013-10-14 02:43:43 <Zoop_> never seen it behave like this
  76 2013-10-14 02:43:55 <Zoop_> paranoid me fears virus
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 136 2013-10-14 05:07:38 <BlueMatt> warren: need something still?
 137 2013-10-14 05:12:57 <warren> BlueMatt: we now have a developer dedicated to a long-term maintainable bitcoinj and I'm hoping to engage with upstream on suggestions of how to proceed.  I heard folks were upset about how the last weekend hackjob devs did it.
 138 2013-10-14 05:13:22 <warren> BlueMatt: is there a IRC channel dedicated to bitcoinj dev?
 139 2013-10-14 05:14:10 <BlueMatt> the response I got from TD last time I heard it mentioned was that it was just kind of hacked together and wasnt designed to be merged or anything
 140 2013-10-14 05:14:40 <BlueMatt> I dont think merging in litecoin things is going to happen, but certainly making the required parts abstracted out to interfaces that can be replaced for litecoin could happen
 141 2013-10-14 05:14:48 <warren> something about some namespace or bug reporting thing wasn't changed?
 142 2013-10-14 05:14:57 <BlueMatt> re: irc channel: no, here usually just because the volume is so low no one notices
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 144 2013-10-14 05:15:02 <warren> BlueMatt: yeah, abstraction is the goal
 145 2013-10-14 05:15:09 <BlueMatt> I dont remember the details at all
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 149 2013-10-14 05:18:24 <warren> oh, it might have been Goonie who was bothered by it
 150 2013-10-14 05:20:03 <warren> jgarzik: those people at your office who run into the MacOS X corruption, what version of the OS is it?
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 152 2013-10-14 05:20:36 <warren> jgarzik: all of the reports of corruption I'm seeing for both bitcoin and litecoin are with MacOS X 10.8.x.  zero reports of problems before that.
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 180 2013-10-14 06:32:09 <maaku> amiller: there are SPV-compatible colored coin proposals. freimarkets, for example
 181 2013-10-14 06:32:21 <BigBlueNinjaKick> does anyone have any experience using post/get to send commands to bitcoin-qt server
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 185 2013-10-14 06:33:56 <weex> BigBlueNinjaKick: usually you use a json rpc lib for your language of choice
 186 2013-10-14 06:34:57 <BigBlueNinjaKick> Yeah, I am using Unity3d and it has some limitations
 187 2013-10-14 06:35:25 <BigBlueNinjaKick> usually .NET limitations
 188 2013-10-14 06:35:33 <BigBlueNinjaKick> trying to find a way around that
 189 2013-10-14 06:36:06 <maaku> BigBlueNinjaKick: client side or server side unity?
 190 2013-10-14 06:36:23 <BigBlueNinjaKick> server side
 191 2013-10-14 06:36:42 <BigBlueNinjaKick> its really just the communication between the bticoin server and unity
 192 2013-10-14 06:36:51 <BigBlueNinjaKick> any application really
 193 2013-10-14 06:37:01 <BigBlueNinjaKick> not just bitcoin
 194 2013-10-14 06:37:14 <maaku> '.net json rpc' should get you any number of solutions
 195 2013-10-14 06:37:21 <maaku> if it's server side you have control over the environment
 196 2013-10-14 06:38:01 <BigBlueNinjaKick> I will check it out
 197 2013-10-14 06:38:04 <BigBlueNinjaKick> thanks
 198 2013-10-14 06:40:57 <BigBlueNinjaKick> is thee a way to utilize JSON .NET without using net 4.x
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 200 2013-10-14 06:41:47 <maaku> this isn't really a bitcoin question, you're more likely to find an answer on a .net channel...
 201 2013-10-14 06:41:59 <BigBlueNinjaKick> ok sounds good
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 280 2013-10-14 09:32:33 <TD> sipa: have you done a getpeerinfo on your nodes lately?
 281 2013-10-14 09:33:30 <TD> sipa: i'm seeing about 2/3rds of my connections be to bitcoinj
 282 2013-10-14 09:33:43 <TD> sipa: wondering if that's a quirk of my node or if that's something which holds true across the network
 283 2013-10-14 09:34:11 <TD> sorry, 1/3rd
 284 2013-10-14 09:34:43 <jouke> TD: I did lately and I saw 1/50 to be bitcoinj
 285 2013-10-14 09:35:23 <jouke> Oh, atm it seems to be more.
 286 2013-10-14 09:36:31 <jouke> 10/84
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 288 2013-10-14 09:36:55 <kinlo> would it be just overly agressive bitcoinj's, making way too many connections?
 289 2013-10-14 09:37:07 <kinlo> kinda surprises me to have so many bitcoinj's
 290 2013-10-14 09:37:37 <jouke> I was expecting more
 291 2013-10-14 09:38:09 <TD> well, it makes 4 connections
 292 2013-10-14 09:38:53 <TD> for multibit it stays connected as long as the app is open. not much choice there.
 293 2013-10-14 09:39:04 <TD> for the mobile app it shuts down the connections about 10 minutes after no user activity, even if the app is open
 294 2013-10-14 09:39:08 <TD> so i guess it's not that aggressive
 295 2013-10-14 09:39:30 <jouke> Other node has 6/72
 296 2013-10-14 09:39:47 <TD> yeah. i guess they don't land evenly
 297 2013-10-14 09:39:52 <TD> it depends what the DNS seeds do
 298 2013-10-14 09:40:14 <TD> but you definitely see less than me.
 299 2013-10-14 09:40:23 <TD> oddly, all the ones i see are MultiBits. no android wallets at all. usually it's lots of androids
 300 2013-10-14 09:42:08 <jouke> Do you also have multiple connections from the same IPs?
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 302 2013-10-14 09:43:34 <jouke> One node seems to have no double connections at all and my other nodes has quite a few.
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 310 2013-10-14 09:48:48 <sipa> TD: i have 357 connections, and not a single one is bitcoinj
 311 2013-10-14 09:49:21 <TD> hmm interesting
 312 2013-10-14 09:49:29 <TD> did you manually lift the 120 connection cap?
 313 2013-10-14 09:49:47 <sipa> oh, i grepped for the wrong string; BitCoinJ is with a capital C
 314 2013-10-14 09:49:50 <TD> yeah
 315 2013-10-14 09:49:59 <sipa> still only have 8 BitCoinJ ones
 316 2013-10-14 09:49:59 <TD> legacy of a time when i couldn't spell bitcoin, haha :)
 317 2013-10-14 09:50:13 <TD> i wonder why it's so unbalanced
 318 2013-10-14 09:50:20 <sipa> dns seeds, i'm sure
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 320 2013-10-14 09:50:31 <TD> yes but i'd expect them to spread the answers around at least somewhat randomly
 321 2013-10-14 09:50:35 <TD> i mean their smartness is limited, right
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 323 2013-10-14 09:50:52 <jouke> 357 connections? :o
 324 2013-10-14 09:51:10 <jouke> none of my nodes has ever reached that amount of connected nodes.
 325 2013-10-14 09:51:26 <sipa> it's been running for a long time
 326 2013-10-14 09:51:33 <sipa> and i'm running one of the dns seeds on the same system
 327 2013-10-14 09:51:57 <sipa> there's no special logic favoring it, but i'm sure it reaches very high reachability scores in my crawler
 328 2013-10-14 09:53:46 <sipa> 77 days uptime
 329 2013-10-14 09:54:39 <sipa> TD: how do you mean, spread answers around?
 330 2013-10-14 09:55:44 <jouke> I was under the assumption that there was some mechanism that somehow prevented connections to and from the same IP-range. Is this true?
 331 2013-10-14 09:56:05 <sipa> only to
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 333 2013-10-14 10:03:48 <TD> sipa: i mean, the seeds would select each node with somewhat equal probability
 334 2013-10-14 10:04:16 <TD> grumble. for some reason peter's testnet DNS seed is still returning single results quite often for me
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 337 2013-10-14 10:07:06 <warren> TD: why does bitcoinj not save previously seen peers?
 338 2013-10-14 10:07:34 <TD> because i never got around to writing that code
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 340 2013-10-14 10:07:46 <warren> ah
 341 2013-10-14 10:07:50 <TD> also because it's a bit tricky, due to the startup time requirements
 342 2013-10-14 10:08:02 <TD> people expect their smartphone wallets to be on the network within a few seconds of opening them
 343 2013-10-14 10:08:16 <TD> so if you end up with a stale db and spend a lot of time trying nodes that went away, that's not good for the UX
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 345 2013-10-14 10:08:34 <TD> however, it could certainly spend a few seconds trying previously tried nodes
 346 2013-10-14 10:08:56 <TD> unfortunately there have always been higher priority bugs and so on
 347 2013-10-14 10:09:04 <warren> previous tried nodes are better than nothing if DNS failed for some reason
 348 2013-10-14 10:09:32 <TD> well, the next thing i'll do in that area is using the DNS seed dumps provided by sipa, to replace the hard-coded seeds array
 349 2013-10-14 10:09:37 <TD> that's pretty straightforward
 350 2013-10-14 10:09:41 <warren> ah
 351 2013-10-14 10:09:43 <TD> using addr broadcasts remains on the todo list for now
 352 2013-10-14 10:10:15 <TD> hmmm
 353 2013-10-14 10:10:41 <TD> for instance, one bug that needs to be resolved - if the DNS seeds don't return enough answers, then bitcoinj doesn't notice and will connect to the same nodes more than once
 354 2013-10-14 10:11:01 <TD> that appears to be biasing my getpeerinfos actually. i just noticed that some of them are the same IP connecting multiple times, which isn't supposed to occur when the seeds are healthy
 355 2013-10-14 10:11:15 <TD> sipa: why does the seed software sometimes return just one IP address?
 356 2013-10-14 10:11:34 <sipa> TD: i suppose because it only has one IP it considers good enough
 357 2013-10-14 10:11:41 <sipa> or is it a different one every time?
 358 2013-10-14 10:12:09 <sipa> TD: imho, you shouldn't rely on seeds to give you any sane answer
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 360 2013-10-14 10:12:26 <TD> well, that's easy to say :) but then if they aren't going to yield useful answers, why have them?
 361 2013-10-14 10:12:29 <sipa> use it as one source of potential peer addresses in a pool, and pick from the pool
 362 2013-10-14 10:12:33 <jouke> TD: hmm, I do have multiple BitCoinJ connections as well.
 363 2013-10-14 10:12:38 <TD> sipa: what i've seen is sometimes it gives a single IP, and sometimes it gives back like 20-30
 364 2013-10-14 10:12:45 <TD> apparently at random
 365 2013-10-14 10:12:47 <sipa> hmm, that sounds like a bug
 366 2013-10-14 10:12:52 <TD> like just running dig over and over, gives that behaviour
 367 2013-10-14 10:13:39 <TD> it's hard to reproduce though
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 371 2013-10-14 10:19:12 <warren> TD: listen for raw responses before the firewall and see if you have a DNS interception attack? =)
 372 2013-10-14 10:19:18 <warren> (not kidding)
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 374 2013-10-14 10:25:00 <TD> "the firewall" where i'm sitting is a large network of border ACLs running on a parallel internet
 375 2013-10-14 10:25:13 <TD> not so easy to do what you suggest :)
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 379 2013-10-14 10:36:40 * TD untabifies bitcoinj
 380 2013-10-14 10:37:13 <TD> it's kind of amazing how java IDE's can't agree on tabs vs spaces, yet make the difference completely invisible, resulting in totally mangled diffs and files which only become apparent when you inspect them using less or via the web
 381 2013-10-14 10:38:56 <warren> which java ide do you prefer?
 382 2013-10-14 10:42:23 <nkuttler> TD: that sounds more like a user pref though
 383 2013-10-14 10:42:36 <TD> intellij. but i guess netbeans is ok too.
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 385 2013-10-14 10:43:06 <TD> eclipse uses tabs. intellij defaults to spaces, but will treat tabs as the same indent size. so you can't see it. then some other tool assumes 8 spaces instead of 4 and you get a mess
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 389 2013-10-14 10:51:36 <warren> you can define custom git hooks that could just fail on commit if <condition>
 390 2013-10-14 10:51:44 <warren> that could be a "solution"
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 412 2013-10-14 11:36:05 <TD> amazing. another petahash was added in just one month
 413 2013-10-14 11:36:15 <TD> i wonder if 256 bits is enough for how low we're gonna go :)
 414 2013-10-14 11:36:57 <sipa> TD: saw my g+ post?
 415 2013-10-14 11:37:23 <TD> haha
 416 2013-10-14 11:37:24 <TD> wow
 417 2013-10-14 11:37:30 <TD> no i hadn't seen that
 418 2013-10-14 11:38:46 <TD> the fedora gif is quite awesome too
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 428 2013-10-14 11:47:25 <sipa> TD: i had no idea fedora was the name of a hat, before that post :)
 429 2013-10-14 11:47:38 <TD> heh
 430 2013-10-14 11:47:42 <kinlo> :)
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 433 2013-10-14 11:52:06 <goodbtc> why do I see these in my bitcoin-qt?
 434 2013-10-14 11:52:07 <goodbtc> https://blockchain.info/tx/ebceae11b1674250222d567ca6b582fd235279fe2279a23ebc0427aa55630906
 435 2013-10-14 11:52:17 <goodbtc> https://blockchain.info/tx/fe03a3530f2d7c56c1d5118e5c11862f18ded91fc1d3f45f30a24ad7e484da99
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 437 2013-10-14 11:52:54 <goodbtc> Status: 83 confirmations
 438 2013-10-14 11:52:54 <goodbtc> Date: 10/14/2013 07:13
 439 2013-10-14 11:52:54 <goodbtc> From: unknown
 440 2013-10-14 11:52:54 <goodbtc> To: 1C7zdTfnkzmr13HfA2vNm5SJYRK6nEKyq8 (own address, label: zzzdelete this)
 441 2013-10-14 11:53:15 <sipa> why would you not?
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 443 2013-10-14 11:54:57 <goodbtc> beacuse are not my addresses
 444 2013-10-14 11:54:59 <t7> maybe hes on a fork
 445 2013-10-14 11:55:24 <t7> goodbtc: maybe you got someones private key at random :D
 446 2013-10-14 11:55:31 <goodbtc> no way
 447 2013-10-14 11:56:20 <t7> i dont think it would be unethical to transfer those (if that was the case)
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 449 2013-10-14 11:57:19 <t7> bitcoin is like a lottery
 450 2013-10-14 11:57:34 <c0rw1n> technically, if you can transfer property, it's yours
 451 2013-10-14 11:57:35 <goodbtc> the universe will collase if I found a private key by mistake
 452 2013-10-14 11:57:46 <TD> you don't recognise the label?
 453 2013-10-14 11:57:56 <goodbtc> maybe I forgot the label
 454 2013-10-14 11:58:01 <sipa> c0rw1n: also, if your neighbour's house's door is not locked, you can walk in
 455 2013-10-14 11:58:02 <_dr> maybe you and him are using the same shitty entropy source ;)
 456 2013-10-14 11:58:06 <goodbtc> but i didn't ordered any transaction today
 457 2013-10-14 11:58:18 <goodbtc> (I named it zzzdeletethis)
 458 2013-10-14 11:58:19 <t7> sipa: no if you found a coin in the desert
 459 2013-10-14 11:58:28 <sipa> that's different
 460 2013-10-14 11:58:42 <sipa> but saying that ability to transfer implies ownership is ridiculous
 461 2013-10-14 11:58:48 <sipa> in some cases it is
 462 2013-10-14 11:58:55 <c0rw1n> sipa: don't play dumb, you're not
 463 2013-10-14 11:59:16 <goodbtc> 1C7zdTfnkzmr13HfA2vNm5SJYRK6nEKyq8 maybe I used it to pay something
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 465 2013-10-14 11:59:25 <sipa> c0rw1n: ?
 466 2013-10-14 11:59:35 <sipa> i haven't followed all discussion
 467 2013-10-14 11:59:37 <TD> yeah
 468 2013-10-14 11:59:40 <TD> or it's a change address?
 469 2013-10-14 11:59:56 <c0rw1n> i'm saying you're not dumb, so don't try and fake the unability to parse shit
 470 2013-10-14 12:00:07 <t7> :|
 471 2013-10-14 12:00:25 <goodbtc> i have to focus to remember, then I will come back with conclusion :)
 472 2013-10-14 12:00:32 <sipa> c0rw1n: i have no idea what you're talking about, but nevermind :)
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 475 2013-10-14 12:04:00 <michagogo> From the technical standpoint, as far as the network is concerned, there's no "owner" -- there's just the conditions that need to be met to spend
 476 2013-10-14 12:04:36 <sipa> right, ownership is a legal term which doesn't necessarily coincide with the technical side
 477 2013-10-14 12:04:50 <sipa> of course, you can agree to let the technical side determine the owner
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 496 2013-10-14 12:30:08 <jgarzik> mornin'
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 509 2013-10-14 12:49:26 <goodbtc> thank you, jgarzik
 510 2013-10-14 12:49:48 <jgarzik> ?
 511 2013-10-14 12:50:03 <goodbtc> for everything
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 513 2013-10-14 12:52:15 <sipa> ...
 514 2013-10-14 12:52:59 <goodbtc> i love sipa too, but his graphs are killing me :) (sorry for off topic)
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 516 2013-10-14 12:54:33 <phantomcircuit> sipa, i like cookies
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 518 2013-10-14 12:58:51 * sipa always accepts cookies from phantomcircuit's domain
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 522 2013-10-14 13:03:10 <Diablo-D3> sipa: ...
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 524 2013-10-14 13:07:16 <Darwerft> Hello, question: How can I bypass oclvanitygen's prefix limit?
 525 2013-10-14 13:07:32 <Darwerft> I tried: oclvanitygen.exe -p 1 -d 0 -o outresults.txt 1933phfhK3ZgFQNLGSDXvqCn32k2buXY8a
 526 2013-10-14 13:07:43 <Darwerft> But it says prefix is too long
 527 2013-10-14 13:08:52 <_dr> maybe you should listen to what it says
 528 2013-10-14 13:09:14 <_dr> instead of trying to work around it. there's no way you'll generate this prefix
 529 2013-10-14 13:09:31 <sipa> it's not actually "too long"; it would only require a few eons to solve
 530 2013-10-14 13:10:06 <Darwerft> Well I know about math and about how I will NEVER EVER Solve it, but I like to think about the chance being there (:
 531 2013-10-14 13:10:12 <_dr> sipa: wiki In astronomy an aeon is defined as a billion years (109) :)
 532 2013-10-14 13:10:40 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Darwerft: nah, it's impossible and it's saving you from wasting your time
 533 2013-10-14 13:10:53 <_dr> Darwerft: like that chance of the air molecules to your side spontaneously turning into jesus?
 534 2013-10-14 13:11:03 <Darwerft> Its only impossible as long as no one never tries.
 535 2013-10-14 13:11:06 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|If you really want to try, patch the source and recompile
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 537 2013-10-14 13:12:26 <amiller> maaku how is freicoin a colored coin or support an spv colored coin
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 539 2013-10-14 13:14:20 <sipa> ok, a few aeons is certainly a gross underestimate then
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 541 2013-10-14 13:14:21 <sipa> Darwerft: perhaps you should just go stand in front of your house, with your arms open
 542 2013-10-14 13:14:21 <sipa> the chance for a block of gold windling down with a parachute right in your arms is certainly larger
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 560 2013-10-14 13:15:10 <sipa> also, change the regexp match to an exact equality test
 561 2013-10-14 13:15:17 <sipa> that will be faster
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 570 2013-10-14 13:16:43 <Darwerft> sipa I know about how higly unlikely it is..  But I still like to think about the chance being there (:
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 572 2013-10-14 13:16:53 <Darwerft> Right NOW its not no one tries?
 573 2013-10-14 13:17:08 <Darwerft> I can do math.
 574 2013-10-14 13:17:11 <_dr> unless your name is zaphod and you're piloting a ship with an infinity improbability drive the chance = no chance
 575 2013-10-14 13:18:01 <Darwerft> why are you guys so much against me wasting my time?
 576 2013-10-14 13:18:09 <Jere_Jones> In at least one universe it would be found on the first try. Why not this universe? :)
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 581 2013-10-14 13:19:16 <Darwerft> There is only: "no chance" as long as nobody tries, when I start trying, there suddenly is a chance.
 582 2013-10-14 13:19:42 <_dr> yeah
 583 2013-10-14 13:19:42 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Darwerft: except that there isn't
 584 2013-10-14 13:19:56 <_dr> bitcoin considered harmful
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 586 2013-10-14 13:20:11 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Say you can do a million addresses a second
 587 2013-10-14 13:20:30 <Darwerft> I can do 5.5 million addys per sec.
 588 2013-10-14 13:21:13 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|;;calc 365*24*60*60*5500000 / (2**160)
 589 2013-10-14 13:21:13 <gribble> 0
 590 2013-10-14 13:21:33 <Darwerft> Why am I not allowed to have a litle fun, come on!?
 591 2013-10-14 13:21:37 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|The chance of finding it within a year is low enough that gribble rounds it down to 0
 592 2013-10-14 13:21:57 <Darwerft> But funny thing is, in real world it is not 0
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 594 2013-10-14 13:22:22 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|;;calc 1000*365*24*60*60*5500000 / (2**160)
 595 2013-10-14 13:22:23 <gribble> 0
 596 2013-10-14 13:22:24 <_dr> well then just do it already
 597 2013-10-14 13:22:51 <Darwerft> Cant somebody set a limit in oclvanitygen
 598 2013-10-14 13:23:19 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|As is the chance of finding it within a millennium
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 600 2013-10-14 13:23:45 <_dr> i bet the snprintf of the eta will cause a bof :)
 601 2013-10-14 13:23:51 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|;;calc 1000000*1000*365*24*60*60*5500000 / (2**160)
 602 2013-10-14 13:23:51 <gribble> 0
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 606 2013-10-14 13:24:22 <Darwerft> I dont care if I never find it, its the tought of it I like.. :P
 607 2013-10-14 13:24:39 <_dr> just grep the source for the "too long" part and remove the check
 608 2013-10-14 13:24:42 <sipa> stop wasting your time :)
 609 2013-10-14 13:25:08 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Same with the chance of finding it within an eon
 610 2013-10-14 13:25:35 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|You'll end up burning out your GPU
 611 2013-10-14 13:25:47 <Darwerft> sipa, im 17 years what better is there to do that wating time?
 612 2013-10-14 13:25:58 <Darwerft> *than
 613 2013-10-14 13:26:01 <Darwerft> *wasting
 614 2013-10-14 13:26:10 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|You're better off solo mining and hoping to get a dozen blocks in a row
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 616 2013-10-14 13:26:40 <jgarzik> ;;gentime 1.67
 617 2013-10-14 13:26:40 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 1.67 Mhps, given difficulty of 189281249.281, is 15436 years, 30 weeks, 0 days, 14 hours, 33 minutes, and 35 seconds
 618 2013-10-14 13:26:51 <jgarzik> go go go cpu mining
 619 2013-10-14 13:27:07 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Darwerft: waste it on something fun, like a free copy of Sid Meier's Civilization V or Mafia II, delivered by Steam after you vote in the golden joystick awards
 620 2013-10-14 13:27:32 <_dr> too bad for you i've got a LUCKY cpu!
 621 2013-10-14 13:27:47 <Darwerft> Ive got the lucky gpu!
 622 2013-10-14 13:29:06 <Darwerft> Are you not afraid that as the m/t hash on the asic rise, we will se the keys per sec. rise too?
 623 2013-10-14 13:29:27 <Darwerft> One day it might only take 100.000 years to take on a whole addy?
 624 2013-10-14 13:29:31 <_dr> no. because asics do sha. and keys require ecc
 625 2013-10-14 13:29:32 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Darwerft: well
 626 2013-10-14 13:29:40 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|An ASIC doesn't really help
 627 2013-10-14 13:29:54 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|You need to randomly generate privkeys
 628 2013-10-14 13:30:06 <Darwerft> what about qbits? what about quantum computing?
 629 2013-10-14 13:30:20 <Darwerft> surely computers will get stronger?
 630 2013-10-14 13:30:26 <_dr> what about richard stallman's beard?
 631 2013-10-14 13:30:32 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|And then convert those to ecdsa pubkeys
 632 2013-10-14 13:31:02 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|And then take the ecdsa pubkeys and hash them with (sha256 and then?) ripemd160
 633 2013-10-14 13:31:27 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(And then convert to base58 and check for a match)
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 635 2013-10-14 13:33:03 <_dr> modify the protocol?
 636 2013-10-14 13:33:08 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|So an ASIC wouldn't really be helpful -- at least any ASIC that's been made so far
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 640 2013-10-14 13:33:37 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Current Asia's are only useful for double sha256
 641 2013-10-14 13:33:42 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|ASICs*
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 672 2013-10-14 14:44:31 <jgarzik> orphan block during testnet sync?  Surprising.
 673 2013-10-14 14:44:38 <jgarzik> headers-first sync cannot come too soon...
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 677 2013-10-14 14:53:09 <sipa> jgarzik: been working on redoing it from scratch, with semantics that match the current mechanism better (hopefully to make pulltester happy, but there were some generic problems with it)
 678 2013-10-14 14:53:31 <sipa> jgarzik: and extracting as many patches from it before the actual change
 679 2013-10-14 14:53:35 <jgarzik> sipa, anything I can help with?
 680 2013-10-14 14:53:44 <sipa> jgarzik: i've pullreq'ed a few :)
 681 2013-10-14 14:53:58 <jgarzik> cool
 682 2013-10-14 14:55:01 <jgarzik> yeah, for major linux projects, the workflow often looks like this:  (1) write new feature, (2) go back and figure out sequence of patches that make merging easiest, with least breakage and maximal early testing.
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 684 2013-10-14 14:55:11 <jgarzik> sometimes #2 winds up almost rewriting #1
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 686 2013-10-14 14:57:31 <sipa> after the current ones, i'll probably write one to just reorganize the block handling code (adding ProcessBlockheader and AcceptBlockHeader in addition to ProcessBlock and AcceptBlock, but several helper methods change as well)
 687 2013-10-14 14:57:57 <sipa> then one to have CNode track which blocks their peers know
 688 2013-10-14 14:58:08 <sipa> and then one to switch the actual syncing
 689 2013-10-14 14:58:19 <TD> why wasn
 690 2013-10-14 14:58:23 <TD> wasn't the pull tester happy?
 691 2013-10-14 14:58:31 <sipa> it doesn't support getheaders :p
 692 2013-10-14 14:58:49 <sipa> matt wrote a patched version that does, but there's some bugs in it apparently
 693 2013-10-14 14:58:58 <sipa> anyway, the reason to rewrite it isn't pulltester really
 694 2013-10-14 14:59:18 <sipa> it's that the semantics weren't always sane (you can make a node reorganize back, without it knowing the new best block already)
 695 2013-10-14 15:01:13 <thermoman> after starting with -txindex=1 and -reindex=1 *once* (as written in the docs) i have to start the client afterwards with -txindex=1 otherwise the txindex isn't updated
 696 2013-10-14 15:01:27 <sipa> that is not correct
 697 2013-10-14 15:01:30 <thermoman> that's not what i read from the docs that says "just run this once"
 698 2013-10-14 15:01:40 <sipa> you don't need to specify -txindex after building
 699 2013-10-14 15:01:46 <sipa> only when you start a new database
 700 2013-10-14 15:01:48 <thermoman> that's strange
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 703 2013-10-14 15:02:10 <sipa> does it say "Transaction index enabled" ?
 704 2013-10-14 15:02:14 <thermoman> mate queried my bitcoind and got no answer for a txid
 705 2013-10-14 15:02:20 <thermoman> after txindex and reindex it's found
 706 2013-10-14 15:02:43 <thermoman> sipa: will check tomorrow
 707 2013-10-14 15:02:44 <sipa> if you've reindexed since setting txindex, yes
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 709 2013-10-14 15:03:01 <thermoman> i'm confused
 710 2013-10-14 15:03:06 <thermoman> i started with both params
 711 2013-10-14 15:03:08 <sipa> -txindex sets whether the transaction index needs to be enabled or not
 712 2013-10-14 15:03:09 <thermoman> stopped the client
 713 2013-10-14 15:03:13 <thermoman> started it without
 714 2013-10-14 15:03:17 <thermoman> then tx not found
 715 2013-10-14 15:03:21 <thermoman> started again with both
 716 2013-10-14 15:03:22 <sipa> for the database being *created*
 717 2013-10-14 15:03:23 <thermoman> then stopped
 718 2013-10-14 15:03:29 <sipa> it can't be changed once the database is created
 719 2013-10-14 15:03:31 <thermoman> then started with only txindex=1
 720 2013-10-14 15:03:34 <thermoman> tx is found
 721 2013-10-14 15:03:34 <sipa> -reindex recreates it, though
 722 2013-10-14 15:04:01 <sipa> anyway, you can just set txindex=1 if you want it, it's always safe
 723 2013-10-14 15:04:02 <thermoman> then how could this behaviour be explained?
 724 2013-10-14 15:04:10 <thermoman> anyway, have to go
 725 2013-10-14 15:04:16 <sipa> and it will fail in case the database doesn't have an index
 726 2013-10-14 15:04:19 <sipa> rather than silently disable it
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 728 2013-10-14 15:05:01 <sipa> that sounds impossible
 729 2013-10-14 15:05:11 <sipa> so there's a bug, or it's not exactly as you're saying :)
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 825 2013-10-14 17:56:15 <Luke-Jr> warren: why are you asking to close pull requests that aren't merged yet?
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 843 2013-10-14 18:44:26 <warren> Luke-Jr: your particular PR was favored earlier but clearly wouldn't be merged, and was redundant, I also wasn't the first to suggest it be closed.
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 851 2013-10-14 18:55:01 <Luke-Jr> warren: I was thinking of the other one mainly
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 856 2013-10-14 18:57:11 <warren> Luke-Jr: i don't remember which?
 857 2013-10-14 18:57:52 <Luke-Jr> me either XD
 858 2013-10-14 18:58:44 <Luke-Jr> also, I don't see why it wouldn't be merged. if no-wallet is merged, that one would need to be to make it useful for pools
 859 2013-10-14 18:59:05 <Luke-Jr> aha, the other one was block blacklisting RPC
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 862 2013-10-14 18:59:26 <warren> Luke-Jr: oh because it was also in the headers first pull
 863 2013-10-14 18:59:50 <Luke-Jr> …
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 868 2013-10-14 19:14:20 <gmaxwell> I've had a testnet node running (on tor) for 2.5 hours without successfully connecting to the network. It managed one connection but it must have been to a broken node, since it didn't stay connected or pull any blocks.
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 874 2013-10-14 19:20:33 <MC1984> ive seen testnet not connect for ages even without tor
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 879 2013-10-14 19:29:22 <BlueMatt> MC1984: really? a testnet node using dnsseed should pretty quickly find my seednode
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 881 2013-10-14 19:29:25 <BlueMatt> if nothing else
 882 2013-10-14 19:29:51 <MC1984> yeah one or twice
 883 2013-10-14 19:30:11 <MC1984> i just assumed there are probably only like 20 testnet nodes
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 887 2013-10-14 19:36:14 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: your testnet seed returns a lot of non-working addresses, which really gums up connecting over tor.
 888 2013-10-14 19:36:56 <BlueMatt> my testnet seed returns 1 address...
 889 2013-10-14 19:37:01 <BlueMatt> which I know to be working
 890 2013-10-14 19:37:12 <BlueMatt> its on my todo list to eventually fix that...
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 893 2013-10-14 19:38:24 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: interesting, well then it seems to return an address which I can't reach over tor.
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 901 2013-10-14 19:42:52 <Luke-Jr> re staging altcoin - I wonder if it would make sense to have one setup that can be manually re-org'd to mainnet regularly, and uses the same transactions
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 904 2013-10-14 19:43:09 <Luke-Jr> so we'd get the full load of mainnet, but have an altchain to fork experiments with as much as needed
 905 2013-10-14 19:43:30 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: can you double-check if you can reach testnet-seed.bluematt.me ?
 906 2013-10-14 19:43:33 <BlueMatt> over tor or not?
 907 2013-10-14 19:44:37 * BlueMatt -> lunch
 908 2013-10-14 19:44:53 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: :-/ connected now, of course. Irritating.
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 918 2013-10-14 19:58:03 <shamoon> i haven't c++'d in a while and figure it's time to get back into it. might as well start with bitcoin!
 919 2013-10-14 19:58:04 <shamoon> w00t w00t!
 920 2013-10-14 19:58:41 <shamoon> so is it possible to "execute" the source without building?
 921 2013-10-14 20:01:11 <Luke-Jr> ..
 922 2013-10-14 20:01:25 <Luke-Jr> if you have such a thing for C++, I guess?
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 924 2013-10-14 20:02:48 <shamoon> trying the build instructions for unix
 925 2013-10-14 20:02:49 <shamoon> configure: error: libdb_cxx headers missing
 926 2013-10-14 20:03:54 <Luke-Jr> shamoon: did you install them?
 927 2013-10-14 20:04:04 <shamoon> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/doc/build-unix.md
 928 2013-10-14 20:04:06 <shamoon> i ran through this
 929 2013-10-14 20:04:29 <shamoon> when i try sudo apt-get install libdb4.8++-dev
 930 2013-10-14 20:04:35 <shamoon> i get E: Package 'libdb4.8++-dev' has no installation candidate
 931 2013-10-14 20:05:18 <deego> When I bitcoind getaccountaddress foo the second time, sometimes I get the same address as last time, but sometimes I get an entirely new address. Why the variation?
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 934 2013-10-14 20:09:42 <shamoon> i get E: Package 'libdb4.8++-dev' has no installation candidate
 935 2013-10-14 20:09:44 <shamoon> anyone?
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 941 2013-10-14 20:18:31 <Luke-Jr> shamoon: what OS?
 942 2013-10-14 20:18:36 <shamoon> ubuntu
 943 2013-10-14 20:18:45 <Luke-Jr> shamoon: add the Bitcoin PPA
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 946 2013-10-14 20:19:26 <shamoon> Luke-Jr: thanks
 947 2013-10-14 20:20:30 <warren> gmaxwell: can't exit nodes define any reachability policy they want?
 948 2013-10-14 20:20:34 <shamoon> Luke-Jr: E: Package 'libboost1.37-dev' has no installation candidate
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 950 2013-10-14 20:20:46 <shamoon> nevermind
 951 2013-10-14 20:20:47 <shamoon> usng all
 952 2013-10-14 20:21:23 <gmaxwell> warren: I can't figure out what you're getting at with your question.
 953 2013-10-14 20:22:40 <Subo1977> shamoon: wich ubuntu?
 954 2013-10-14 20:22:44 <shamoon> 12.04
 955 2013-10-14 20:22:56 <shamoon> it's building now
 956 2013-10-14 20:22:58 <shamoon> rather.. making
 957 2013-10-14 20:23:03 <shamoon> takes a while, eh?
 958 2013-10-14 20:25:27 <Subo1977> a few minutes, depending on maschine
 959 2013-10-14 20:25:31 <shamoon> if i want to make changes to the code, do i need to make again every time?
 960 2013-10-14 20:25:36 <shamoon> or is there a faster way to test small changes
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 962 2013-10-14 20:25:45 <Subo1977> yep. every time
 963 2013-10-14 20:25:55 <shamoon> so if i want to make a small text change or something, gotta rebuild
 964 2013-10-14 20:26:07 <Subo1977> on second complie it goes faster. only changes
 965 2013-10-14 20:26:33 <Subo1977> if you having misterios probs, make a make clean
 966 2013-10-14 20:27:06 <shamoon> gotcha
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 970 2013-10-14 20:32:13 <shamoon> can i make without upnp?
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 972 2013-10-14 20:33:43 <Luke-Jr> yes
 973 2013-10-14 20:33:50 <Luke-Jr> it should do that by default if you don't have the headers
 974 2013-10-14 20:34:18 <shamoon> was giving me an error: net.cpp:18:32: fatal error: miniupnpc/miniwget.h: No such file or directory
 975 2013-10-14 20:34:27 <shamoon> so i installed miniupnpc
 976 2013-10-14 20:35:53 <Subo1977> ./configure --disable-upnp-defaul
 977 2013-10-14 20:36:06 <Subo1977> ./configure --disable-upnp-default
 978 2013-10-14 20:38:10 <Subo1977> sudo apt-get install libminiupnpc-dev
 979 2013-10-14 20:40:37 <shamoon> when the software runs, what's the first file / fucntion taht runs?
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 981 2013-10-14 20:42:10 <shamoon> is it main.cpp?
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 983 2013-10-14 20:43:00 <Subo1977> i dont know
 984 2013-10-14 20:46:45 <shamoon> i guess AppInit
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 989 2013-10-14 20:55:13 <Luke-Jr> shamoon: report a bug
 990 2013-10-14 20:55:34 <shamoon> Luke-Jr: will do
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1000 2013-10-14 21:22:21 <jgarzik> http://op-co.de/blog/posts/android_ssl_downgrade/
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1020 2013-10-14 22:22:47 <skinnkavaj> jgarzik: Is SSL broken by NSA?
1021 2013-10-14 22:26:09 <gmaxwell> skinnkavaj: yes, and they use that power to create an endless sea of sockpuppets to ask offtopic black helecoptor questions in #bitcoin-dev for the purpose of disrupting community access to actual discussion about development.
1022 2013-10-14 22:29:06 * nsh is so tempted to repaste the last 1h of join and quit lines 
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1025 2013-10-14 22:31:36 <nsh> i've got a better idea, i'll start emailing random questions for irc channels to the dev mailing list instead
1026 2013-10-14 22:31:40 <nsh> if we're going to be dicks about it
1027 2013-10-14 22:31:41 <nsh> :)
1028 2013-10-14 22:31:44 <nsh> *from
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1030 2013-10-14 22:36:29 <skinnkavaj> welcome gavinandresen, how are you? when is 0.9 coming? whats going to be in it? what do you need to test first?
1031 2013-10-14 22:37:15 <gavinandresen> I'm good, I don't know, I don't know, and I don't know.  It's early here, my brain hasn't started yet.
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1033 2013-10-14 22:39:06 * sipa boots gavinandresen
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1035 2013-10-14 22:39:32 <ecoloco> Hello. Can you recommend a good web hosting that accept Bitcoin? /msg me
1036 2013-10-14 22:41:01 <skinnkavaj> gavinandresen: thank god sipa booted you then. jgarzik posted this minutes ago http://op-co.de/blog/posts/android_ssl_downgrade/
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1038 2013-10-14 22:46:54 * sipa nags annoyingly for ACKs on 2784, 2840, 2933, 3077, 3083, 3087
1039 2013-10-14 22:47:46 <sipa> gmaxwell, jgarzik, gavinandresen, wumpus: ^
1040 2013-10-14 22:47:57 <gmaxwell> sipa: I acked 2784 already I thought? :P
1041 2013-10-14 22:48:06 <sipa> pre-implementation!
1042 2013-10-14 22:48:14 <gmaxwell> oh you implemented. cool.
1043 2013-10-14 22:48:28 <gavinandresen> sipa: I'll test your spiffy github-merge script on those this morning
1044 2013-10-14 22:49:16 <sipa> gavinandresen: i've used it myself on 2937, worked fine
1045 2013-10-14 22:49:43 <sipa> i should add something that makes it compare the local merge with github's merge
1046 2013-10-14 22:52:57 <michagogo> Would you mind also merging 3086?
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1048 2013-10-14 22:53:37 <sipa> michagogo: let me have a look!
1049 2013-10-14 22:55:11 <gavinandresen> sipa: 2840 needs rebase?
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1051 2013-10-14 22:55:36 <sipa> yup; willdo
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1055 2013-10-14 23:05:49 <michagogo> (BTW, speaking of 3086, I noticed that the version of Luke's key in the repo is expired...)
1056 2013-10-14 23:06:21 <gmaxwell> sipa: so on 2784 implementation. If a tcp connection stays up but a peer just never sends anything at all (other than tcp acks of course), will it never get disconnected?
1057 2013-10-14 23:06:36 <gmaxwell> (we seem to have lost all comparisons with nLastRecv)
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1063 2013-10-14 23:08:09 <sipa> gmaxwell: there is still a disconnect after 60s of nothing
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1066 2013-10-14 23:10:37 <gmaxwell> sipa: I don't believe you. :P There is a disconnect if there is nothing in the first 60 seconds, but if you get something and then is forever mute I don't see where it gets disconnected.
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1068 2013-10-14 23:11:34 <sipa> gmaxwell: it should immediately send a ping
1069 2013-10-14 23:11:59 <sipa> and 5 minutes later disconnect if no pong arrives
1070 2013-10-14 23:12:08 <sipa> maybe that needs some comments
1071 2013-10-14 23:12:19 <sipa> hmm, that ping is probably only sent after version/verack are completed
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1073 2013-10-14 23:14:01 <sipa> actually, there must be another bug
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