1 2013-10-21 00:01:14 <Luke-Jr> Urushiol: ignore them?
2 2013-10-21 00:01:35 <Luke-Jr> sendmany is basically a simplified common-use-case form of CoinJoin
3 2013-10-21 00:01:59 <Urushiol> my usual course of action, yes. but in this case it affects me if that method isn't used. slower and (marginally) more expensive for the group.
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7 2013-10-21 00:02:18 <sipa> why do they even care?
8 2013-10-21 00:02:29 <Urushiol> who knows. it seems they don't trust "scripting" it
9 2013-10-21 00:02:32 <sipa> or what effect would it have for them that they dislike?
10 2013-10-21 00:02:42 <sipa> it has exact
11 2013-10-21 00:02:57 <sipa> it has exactly as much scripting i it as the alternative
12 2013-10-21 00:03:04 <sipa> actually, less
13 2013-10-21 00:03:21 <Urushiol> I know this. You know this. But alas...
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15 2013-10-21 00:03:49 <sipa> just do it and they will not even notice
16 2013-10-21 00:04:18 <Urushiol> I don't control the escrow, otherwise I would. And they will notice when one tx is provided to the group.
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18 2013-10-21 00:05:08 <Urushiol> I'm mostly venting, really. Sometimes I can't stand stupid luddites.
19 2013-10-21 00:05:36 <Urushiol> sorry, I suppose in this case it's ignorance.
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70 2013-10-21 01:11:46 <EasyAt> --rescan should rescan the whole blockchain and find all valid outputs I can use, correct?
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84 2013-10-21 01:37:53 <Luke-Jr> EasyAt: -rescan, not --
85 2013-10-21 01:38:03 <Luke-Jr> although -- might be accepted
86 2013-10-21 01:38:11 <EasyAt> Ah, perhaps that's the issue
87 2013-10-21 01:38:39 <Luke-Jr> also, -rescan is deprecated and will probably be removed someday
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90 2013-10-21 01:39:43 <EasyAt> Luke-Jr: What will the argument be to rescan then?
91 2013-10-21 01:40:03 <Luke-Jr> none, it's unnecessary
92 2013-10-21 01:40:32 <EasyAt> Ah, hm
93 2013-10-21 01:40:49 <EasyAt> Well, I have an older backup and I'd like to get a current utxo set for my priv keys
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96 2013-10-21 01:41:13 <EasyAt> It's showing I have a ton of extra coins that I don't think I have. When I -rescan it shows the same amount of coins
97 2013-10-21 01:43:40 <EasyAt> I did send from 2 nodes using same wallet. There is less than 100 TXs since node 2 started sending. So, I thought they would have the same keypool
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108 2013-10-21 01:54:33 <Luke-Jr> EasyAt: loading an old wallet automatically rescans as needed
109 2013-10-21 01:55:06 <EasyAt> Neat
110 2013-10-21 01:55:24 <EasyAt> I'm curious why it thinks I have outputs to spend that I don't after a rescan
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114 2013-10-21 01:59:08 <Luke-Jr> EasyAt: unconfirmed transactions are probably missing?
115 2013-10-21 01:59:48 <EasyAt> I havent sent from the address for days
116 2013-10-21 02:00:33 <Luke-Jr> of course not, you never send from addresses
117 2013-10-21 02:00:45 <Luke-Jr> but that doesn't mean the transactions from the wallet were all confirmed
118 2013-10-21 02:01:03 <EasyAt> sorry, I meant the wallet
119 2013-10-21 02:01:10 <EasyAt> I haven't spent an output
120 2013-10-21 02:01:58 <EasyAt> I'm thinking I might just take out all the priv keys and do a manual rescan as a fun project
121 2013-10-21 02:02:42 <Luke-Jr> EasyAt: there's an easy way to test of course
122 2013-10-21 02:02:49 <Luke-Jr> create a new address and send 100% of your balance there
123 2013-10-21 02:03:08 <EasyAt> I did, heh. It appeared to be a double spend as I don't see it on blockchain
124 2013-10-21 02:03:24 <EasyAt> so, I'm curious why the client still thinks I have all those coins
125 2013-10-21 02:03:45 <EasyAt> I don't see it on blockchain.info I mean
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132 2013-10-21 02:18:03 <EasyAt> Luke-Jr: Do you happen to have an idea why that would happen?
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142 2013-10-21 02:28:57 <Luke-Jr> no
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166 2013-10-21 03:02:21 <jgarzik> ASICMINER considering a "blockchain-based exchange" (for trading their shares, I presume): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg3374697#msg3374697
167 2013-10-21 03:02:37 <jgarzik> Lots of projects like that popping up
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171 2013-10-21 03:07:34 <EasyAt> What are the circumstances in which a -rescan still can display an improper balance?
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177 2013-10-21 03:11:24 <EasyAt> Other than generating a new keypool with a different node using the same wallet. Which, I would think could only mean you could have BTC that the older backup doesn't know about
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179 2013-10-21 03:12:06 <olalonde> is there a standard for brainwallets?
180 2013-10-21 03:12:21 <maaku> olalonde: bip 32
181 2013-10-21 03:12:24 <olalonde> how are they commonly implemented? just sha256(passphrase) ?
182 2013-10-21 03:12:24 <olalonde> ok
183 2013-10-21 03:12:33 <maaku> that is not how they are commonly implemented
184 2013-10-21 03:12:49 <maaku> /that/bip 32/
185 2013-10-21 03:12:52 <maaku> bip 32 is how they should be implemented
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188 2013-10-21 03:14:04 <olalonde> is there a flaw in sha256(passphrase)
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196 2013-10-21 03:18:31 <olalonde> oh got it
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204 2013-10-21 03:26:35 <olalonde> there is nothing about brainwallets in bip 32 though
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211 2013-10-21 03:27:45 <olalonde> oh I guess the passphrase would be the seed in this case
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225 2013-10-21 03:49:56 <olalonde> does bitcoin-qt implement HD-wallet?
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229 2013-10-21 03:59:40 <Luke-Jr> olalonde: not yet
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254 2013-10-21 05:01:16 <olalonde> is there any software that imports the blockchain into a (relational) database?
255 2013-10-21 05:02:15 <Luke-Jr> yes.
256 2013-10-21 05:02:17 <sipa> EasyAt: -rescan will still result in an incorrect (too low) balance if your wallet contains unconfirmed sends; it can result in a too low balance if you have non-confirming receives in it
257 2013-10-21 05:02:24 <sipa> olalonde: abe
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259 2013-10-21 05:02:51 <olalonde> thanks
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261 2013-10-21 05:03:08 <sipa> EasyAt: -rescan only adds missing transactions from the chain, it doesn't delete anything
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279 2013-10-21 05:46:02 <EasyAt> sipa: Is there a way to remove all and rescan all transactions relating to my keys
280 2013-10-21 05:46:38 <EasyAt> Remove all TXs from the cache in the wallet
281 2013-10-21 05:47:14 <weex> EasyAt: you could use pywallet to dump keys, reimport to a new wallet, and then rescan the new wallet
282 2013-10-21 05:47:49 <weex> shut down bitcoind and backup your existing wallet first of course
283 2013-10-21 05:48:47 <EasyAt> weex: Indeed, I'm thinking a fork of pywallet that can do that on multiple wallets and recombine into a wallet useable by the reference client
284 2013-10-21 05:48:56 <EasyAt> would be neat
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286 2013-10-21 05:49:32 <EasyAt> I have a directory of backups that might have different keypools but starting from the same initial wallet I'd like to comebine
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290 2013-10-21 05:54:19 <weex> EasyAt: sounds interesting but dangerous, do you think many would want to do that?
291 2013-10-21 05:55:19 <sipa> EasyAt: yes, -salvagewallet
292 2013-10-21 05:55:41 <sipa> it throws everything away, and the salvages private keys from the wallet file
293 2013-10-21 05:55:49 <sipa> and rescans using those
294 2013-10-21 05:56:08 <Polyatomic> where can I get the coincontrol for Bitcoin-QT
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296 2013-10-21 05:58:06 <EasyAt> weex: Why would that be dagnerous, given a backup beforehand?
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299 2013-10-21 06:05:25 <weex> EasyAt: if you have a backup then it's not especially dangerous, i just mean to be cautious anytime some software is accessing a wallet file
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301 2013-10-21 06:07:49 <EasyAt> Ah, okay
302 2013-10-21 06:08:48 <olalonde> does the standard client always use 1 or 2 outputs?
303 2013-10-21 06:09:19 <EasyAt> sipa weex, thank you
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306 2013-10-21 06:10:28 <olalonde> 1 destination address + 1 change address?
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312 2013-10-21 06:13:59 <sipa> olalonde: if necessary, yes
313 2013-10-21 06:14:13 <olalonde> no more then 2 right?
314 2013-10-21 06:14:26 <sipa> if the output matches thw input exactly, no change is necessary
315 2013-10-21 06:14:40 <sipa> wiuth sendmany there can be more
316 2013-10-21 06:14:57 <olalonde> ah ok
317 2013-10-21 06:15:05 <olalonde> thx
318 2013-10-21 06:19:39 <EasyAt> sipa: I'm curious, why doesn't rescan remove all TXs from the wallet and rescan everything?
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329 2013-10-21 07:11:24 <olalonde> what happened with https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BIP_0016?
330 2013-10-21 07:11:29 <olalonde> what was the result of the vote
331 2013-10-21 07:13:42 <Luke-Jr> it's not a vote, it's an upgrade
332 2013-10-21 07:13:52 <Luke-Jr> it went live over a year ago
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343 2013-10-21 07:36:58 <sipa> EasyAt: because that would mean throwing away unconfirmed transactions in your wallet
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352 2013-10-21 07:57:04 <sturles> I've been struggling with this all morning:
353 2013-10-21 07:57:05 <sturles> bitcoind -debug
354 2013-10-21 07:57:05 <sturles> Error: wallet.dat corrupt, salvage failed
355 2013-10-21 07:57:21 <sturles> Same for all my backups.
356 2013-10-21 07:57:39 <tgs3> sturles: first make a backup, next, there are some scripts and tools to try wallet recovery. strange about the backups, are you sure there is free space on the drive?
357 2013-10-21 07:57:44 <K1773R> sturles: different DBD libs?
358 2013-10-21 07:58:09 <K1773R> sturles: ppl tend to build bitcoind with libdb5 instead of libdb4.8
359 2013-10-21 07:58:23 <sturles> Could be. I did a dist-upgrade while bitcoind was running. It had been running for a couple of months when I rebooted yesterday.
360 2013-10-21 07:58:46 <K1773R> sturles: older wallets are mostly with libdb4.8 and therefore are incompatible with libdb5
361 2013-10-21 07:58:49 <sturles> libdb is libdb4.8.
362 2013-10-21 07:59:12 <sturles> libdb_cxx-4.8.so => /usr/lib/libdb_cxx-4.8.so (0x00007f511fb59000)
363 2013-10-21 07:59:18 <K1773R> check with ldd
364 2013-10-21 07:59:20 <K1773R> ok
365 2013-10-21 07:59:24 <tgs3> K1773R: *database* library that is not backward compatible?
366 2013-10-21 07:59:44 <K1773R> tgs3: yes, blame oracle :P
367 2013-10-21 08:00:01 <sturles> tgs3: Do you have some pointers to scripts?
368 2013-10-21 08:00:03 <tgs3> now we are moving away from this shit, right?
369 2013-10-21 08:00:08 <K1773R> sturles: pywallet will do the trick then (ie, recover wallet or extract privkeys)
370 2013-10-21 08:00:28 <K1773R> tgs3: AFAIK no
371 2013-10-21 08:00:39 <tgs3> sturles: not now but if you google you will find some.. yes possibly it was pywallet. there were at least 2 set of tools old and new. But if it's the lib then just fix that
372 2013-10-21 08:00:47 <K1773R> sturles: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=34028.0
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374 2013-10-21 08:01:20 <midnightmagic> olalonde: The "vote" as in, the entries of /p2sh/ in coinbase txn which were meant to indicate direct miner support for p2sh, "went through". We don't have to push /p2sh/ into our coinbase anymore.
375 2013-10-21 08:01:30 <sturles> I don't think it is just the lib.
376 2013-10-21 08:02:19 <K1773R> sturles: check the wallet with file
377 2013-10-21 08:02:56 <K1773R> ie, 4.8 looks like this
378 2013-10-21 08:02:57 <K1773R> $ file .bitcoin/wallet.dat
379 2013-10-21 08:02:57 <K1773R> .bitcoin/wallet.dat: Berkeley DB (Btree, version 9, native byte-order)
380 2013-10-21 08:03:45 <sturles> .bitcoin/wallet.dat: Berkeley DB (Btree, version 9, native byte-order)
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382 2013-10-21 08:03:54 <sturles> Yep. Same.
383 2013-10-21 08:04:44 <K1773R> then you can recover your privkeys with pywallet (linked above)
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385 2013-10-21 08:05:37 <sturles> ERROR:root:Couldn't open wallet.dat/main. Try quitting Bitcoin and running this again.
386 2013-10-21 08:05:44 <sturles> From pywallet.
387 2013-10-21 08:05:56 <sturles> (bitcoin is not running.)
388 2013-10-21 08:06:00 <K1773R> latest version?
389 2013-10-21 08:06:04 <sturles> Yes.
390 2013-10-21 08:06:08 <sturles> Cloned from git.
391 2013-10-21 08:07:44 <K1773R> you specified the wallet's location correctly? there is also a WUI which makes things easier -> --web AFAIK
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395 2013-10-21 08:09:57 <sturles> $ python src/pywallet/pywallet.py --dumpwallet .bitcoin/wallet.dat
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398 2013-10-21 08:12:04 <sturles> $ python src/pywallet/pywallet.py --dumpwallet --walletfile=.bitcoin/wallet.dat
399 2013-10-21 08:12:07 <sturles> fails as well
400 2013-10-21 08:12:28 <sturles> And just pywallet.py --dumpwallet inside .bitcoin
401 2013-10-21 08:12:48 <sturles> The wallet.dat file looks sane.
402 2013-10-21 08:13:23 <sturles> Mostly galble but recogniceable strings, i.e. accounts.
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409 2013-10-21 08:17:59 <sturles> More ideas?
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411 2013-10-21 08:19:09 <Polyatomic> sturles is pywallet working for u
412 2013-10-21 08:19:23 <sturles> No, see error message above.
413 2013-10-21 08:19:30 <sturles> ERROR:root:Couldn't open wallet.dat/main. Try quitting Bitcoin and running this again.
414 2013-10-21 08:19:47 <K1773R> is wallet encrypted?
415 2013-10-21 08:19:51 <sturles> No.
416 2013-10-21 08:20:05 <K1773R> well, post in the thread then, jackjack should help you
417 2013-10-21 08:20:09 <Polyatomic> try opening a command prompt
418 2013-10-21 08:20:25 <K1773R> Polyatomic: hes not on winblows
419 2013-10-21 08:20:26 <sturles> Polyatomic: Huh? I only work from the command prompt.
420 2013-10-21 08:20:42 <Polyatomic> ah shit sorry sturles
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424 2013-10-21 08:21:50 <Polyatomic> I got it to work like K1773R mentioned with --web
425 2013-10-21 08:22:14 <sturles> Is your wallet corrupt..?
426 2013-10-21 08:22:31 <sturles> 09:54 < sturles> Error: wallet.dat corrupt, salvage failed
427 2013-10-21 08:22:34 <Polyatomic> n
428 2013-10-21 08:22:49 <Polyatomic> fark man
429 2013-10-21 08:23:35 <sturles> And my backups have the same corruption. :-(
430 2013-10-21 08:25:56 <Polyatomic> could u try importing one to Blockc.info
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433 2013-10-21 08:32:08 <sturles> Hmm. Worth a try perhaps.
434 2013-10-21 08:33:19 <sturles> Actually it looks like pywallet.py is able to recover keys with --recover. I placed the wallet backup on a small device created for the purpose, and it looks like it is recovering keys.
435 2013-10-21 08:33:43 <sturles> Will try that first.
436 2013-10-21 08:33:48 <Polyatomic> sweet
437 2013-10-21 08:34:22 <sturles> Will be some work to restore the diffrerent accounts, but at least I will have my BTC. I hope..
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439 2013-10-21 08:35:23 <sturles> Should be about 100 in that wallet. Which is why I have been taking backups often. But when at least a month of backups fail in the same way.. :-(
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442 2013-10-21 08:36:08 <sturles> Found a working backup from July. It is only half as big and cointains ~0.001 BTC.
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450 2013-10-21 08:43:01 <K1773R> sturles: no need to recreate accounts and assingn addresses to it, all you need is importing privkeys
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452 2013-10-21 08:46:20 <sturles> Old wallet.dat: 9613312 bytes Recovered wallet.dat: 1212416 bytes
453 2013-10-21 08:46:29 <sturles> Doesn't look that good..
454 2013-10-21 08:46:44 <sturles> bitcoind: Error: Cannot initialize keypool
455 2013-10-21 08:47:03 <sturles> Trying again with -rescan
456 2013-10-21 08:47:12 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|sturles: did you try db_dump or whatever it's called?
457 2013-10-21 08:47:27 <sturles> No.
458 2013-10-21 08:47:30 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Since the wallet is just a Berkeley DB
459 2013-10-21 08:48:47 <sturles> Installing db-util..
460 2013-10-21 08:49:03 <sturles> Hmm. Getting db5.1-util. Hope it is compatible..
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462 2013-10-21 08:50:45 <sturles> db_dump: file wallet.dat has LSN 9/198824, past end of log at 1/28
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465 2013-10-21 08:52:48 <sturles> Ah! Tried it in a new copy of my old .bitcoin directory. Worked there!
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467 2013-10-21 08:54:47 * sturles runs db_load and hopes for the best..
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469 2013-10-21 08:57:46 <sturles> Loaded wallet.dat is 600k smaller than the one I dumped. Making another copy of .bitcoin before testing..
470 2013-10-21 09:01:42 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|sturles: well, you can open the output of db_dump and see what it looks like
471 2013-10-21 09:02:35 <sturles> What I saw didn't make much sense.
472 2013-10-21 09:02:41 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|But if you're using the 5.1 version of db-util, I'm assuming db_load won't give you something you can use with a bitcoin[d|-qt] compiled with 4.8
473 2013-10-21 09:05:09 <sturles> My fear as well. :-/
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475 2013-10-21 09:10:48 <sipa> michagogo|cloud: db_dump on a 5.1 wallet, and db_load'ing it in a 4.8 one should work afaik
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485 2013-10-21 09:18:02 <sturles> How can I fix this?: Error: Cannot initialize keypool
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488 2013-10-21 09:23:26 <sturles> $ db4.8_load wallet.dat < wallet.dump
489 2013-10-21 09:23:34 <sturles> $ bitcoind -debug
490 2013-10-21 09:23:34 <sturles> Error: Error loading wallet.dat: Wallet corrupted
491 2013-10-21 09:23:38 <sturles> :-(
492 2013-10-21 09:24:46 <Polyatomic> if you create a new wallet.dat is that corrupted also
493 2013-10-21 09:25:18 <sturles> This was a new wallet.dat.
494 2013-10-21 09:25:25 <sturles> Old one moved away.
495 2013-10-21 09:25:34 <sipa> new as in emoty
496 2013-10-21 09:25:38 <sipa> empty
497 2013-10-21 09:26:04 <sturles> Ah. Haven't tried that.
498 2013-10-21 09:26:25 <sturles> Running -salvagewallet with the dumped/loaded wallet first.
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508 2013-10-21 09:35:05 <sturles> Salvaging a 9 GiB wallet.dat takes time..
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510 2013-10-21 09:40:23 <tgs3> sturles: I can help you with the salvage operatoin, upload your wallet to my ftp
511 2013-10-21 09:41:51 <sturles> Can you do more than -salvagewallet?
512 2013-10-21 09:42:34 <sipa> 9 GiB? wtf :o
513 2013-10-21 09:42:58 <sturles> I've been using it since 2010..
514 2013-10-21 09:43:01 <tgs3> sturles: satoshi how is life in japan?
515 2013-10-21 09:43:06 <sturles> :-)
516 2013-10-21 09:43:34 <sturles> 4 GiB salvaged..
517 2013-10-21 09:43:36 <tgs3> serves you right for choosing such db format
518 2013-10-21 09:44:31 <sturles> I'm sure satoshi would have fixed a wallet.dat by editing it in emacs.
519 2013-10-21 09:44:53 <sipa> satoshi used vim, of course
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521 2013-10-21 09:45:17 <sturles> No. :-(
522 2013-10-21 09:48:34 <sturles> Hmm. The db_loaded wallet is dumpable by pywallet.
523 2013-10-21 09:48:53 <sturles> A lot of errors like this: Wallet data not recognized: {'__type__': 'keymeta', '__value__': '\x01\...
524 2013-10-21 09:50:09 <sturles> Is it possible to import this data dumped by pywallet?
525 2013-10-21 09:51:54 <sturles> Reminds me of the following from the perlref manual:
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527 2013-10-21 09:52:05 <sturles> That's it for creating references. By now you're probably dying to know how to use references to get back to your long-lost data.
528 2013-10-21 09:52:14 <sturles> Somewhere in the middle. :-)
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535 2013-10-21 10:09:49 <sturles> No luch this time either. I salvaged the wallet on another computer, which hadn't synched up with the blockchain for a while.
536 2013-10-21 10:10:16 <sturles> Nothing there now. Just some very old dust.
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543 2013-10-21 10:41:40 <sturles> If I remove everything from .bitcoin, except wallet.dat and bitcoin.conf, I get the following error:
544 2013-10-21 10:41:43 <sturles> Error: An error occurred while setting up the RPC port 8332 for listening on IPv4: Cannot assign requested address
545 2013-10-21 10:41:46 <sturles> Segmentation fault
546 2013-10-21 10:41:52 <sturles> port 8332 is not taken.
547 2013-10-21 10:42:50 <sturles> This is obviously a bug.
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552 2013-10-21 10:45:54 <sturles> And this is very interresting, because this time it seems to be able to load my wallet:
553 2013-10-21 10:45:58 <sturles> init message: Loading wallet...
554 2013-10-21 10:46:00 <sturles> nFileVersion = 89900
555 2013-10-21 10:46:03 <sturles> Keys: 2012 plaintext, 0 encrypted, 383 w/ metadata, 2012 total wallet 15708ms
556 2013-10-21 10:46:06 <sturles> init message: Loading addresses...
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561 2013-10-21 10:50:22 <sturles> Specifying other rpcports doesn't help.
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573 2013-10-21 11:07:40 <sturles> Doh! Please don't laugh.. Computer was in single user mode, and I had forgot to bring up the loopback interface. Not my day today..
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579 2013-10-21 11:16:41 <wumpus> FYI I added a "build system" category under bitcoin issues on github
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584 2013-10-21 11:22:45 <sturles> It is starting to look promising now. I re-installed some old versions of boost libraries to make my old bitcoind, the one which was running (self compiled) working again. This version accepts the backed up wallet, but b0rks on something else. Some database issue. Started again from an empty .bitcoin, except for wallet.dat and bitcoin.conf, and it is downloading blocks now.
585 2013-10-21 11:22:55 * sturles crosses fingers
586 2013-10-21 11:25:31 <Polyatomic> all the best .
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624 2013-10-21 12:41:24 <sturles> This is going to take a week.. Can I speed it up somehow using the old blk*.dat files?
625 2013-10-21 12:43:01 <sipa> a week? :o
626 2013-10-21 12:43:15 <sipa> just put the old blocks and chainstate directory back
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628 2013-10-21 12:43:31 <sipa> if you only have the blk*.dat files, move those back and start with -reindex
629 2013-10-21 12:44:29 <sturles> Very slow net, old CPU and a very slow 5400 RPM disk. Not a good combination when downloading blocks.
630 2013-10-21 12:44:54 <sturles> Will try -reindex.
631 2013-10-21 12:45:03 <sipa> do you have the chainstate dir?
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633 2013-10-21 12:46:39 <sturles> Yes.
634 2013-10-21 12:47:06 <sipa> then use that
635 2013-10-21 12:47:11 <sipa> reindex still requires processing all blocks
636 2013-10-21 12:47:21 <sipa> just put the chainstate and blocks directory back
637 2013-10-21 12:47:47 <sturles> I may have to delete some recent blk files. It crashes when starting in the current state. Not sure what's wrong.
638 2013-10-21 12:48:19 <sturles> Crashes during verification.
639 2013-10-21 12:49:05 <sturles> I'll give you the error message in a minute, when I'm done copying..
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641 2013-10-21 12:50:09 <sturles> Copying is done buy a snail walking across the platters, taking one bit at a time..
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643 2013-10-21 12:52:48 <sturles> bitcoind.bak: ./db/dbformat.h:96: leveldb::Slice leveldb::ExtractUserKey(const leveldb::Slice&): Assertion `internal_key.size() >= 8' failed.
644 2013-10-21 12:52:51 <sturles> Aborted
645 2013-10-21 12:53:56 <sturles> Trying again after removing index..
646 2013-10-21 12:54:04 <sturles> Same error.
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649 2013-10-21 12:54:48 <sipa> define "removing index"
650 2013-10-21 12:55:00 <sturles> rm -r blocks/index
651 2013-10-21 12:55:11 <sturles> Didn't work.
652 2013-10-21 12:55:13 <sipa> then it likely is the chainstate that is corrupted
653 2013-10-21 12:55:25 <sipa> and you'll need -reindex indeed
654 2013-10-21 12:56:19 <sturles> OK. Removed chainstate and doing -reindex now.
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657 2013-10-21 12:57:33 <sturles> Getting coffee..
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662 2013-10-21 13:09:54 <sturles> Let's hope my balance improves..
663 2013-10-21 13:09:55 <sturles> "" : -15859.94708344,
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668 2013-10-21 13:12:13 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|sturles: that number is meaningless :-P
669 2013-10-21 13:13:50 <deego> sturles: What is that number?
670 2013-10-21 13:15:03 <sturles> My bitcoin balance at some point during a -reindex. :-)
671 2013-10-21 13:15:27 <sturles> It probably knows how much I've sent, but not yet how much I have received.
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677 2013-10-21 13:29:30 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|sturles: that's not your balance
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680 2013-10-21 13:34:06 <lclc> is it possible to get a notification over RPC when a specific address has received a payment? or how do I now something changed, do I have to activly pull?
681 2013-10-21 13:34:52 <lclc> *know
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685 2013-10-21 13:39:23 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|lclc: there's walletnotify
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694 2013-10-21 13:50:52 <lclc> ah thanks, that's missing in the wiki
695 2013-10-21 13:56:19 * michagogo cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|is not surprised
696 2013-10-21 13:58:23 <lclc> hm but I can't only watch addresses with that? which I don't have the private key for
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700 2013-10-21 13:59:53 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|lclc: you can
701 2013-10-21 14:00:13 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Create a wallet with a large keypool
702 2013-10-21 14:00:35 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Make a copy, encrypt that copy and throw away the passphrase
703 2013-10-21 14:00:49 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|You've just created a watch-only wallet
704 2013-10-21 14:01:59 <lclc> ehm yes xD. watch only address was maybe a bad wording^^
705 2013-10-21 14:02:31 <lclc> I meant to watch an address that doesn't belong to me
706 2013-10-21 14:03:38 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|lclc: at the moment, you can't have one wallet with both spending abilities on some addresses and watch-only on others
707 2013-10-21 14:03:53 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|But if you're already using a watch-only, you can add any address
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709 2013-10-21 14:04:13 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Just use a tool to edit the wallet and put in some gibberish for the encrypted privkey
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711 2013-10-21 14:06:30 <lclc> ok thx, I'll try
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727 2013-10-21 14:23:28 <Subo1977> hi, on ubuntu 13.10 i have add --with-boost-libdir=/usr/lib to ./configure ... can somebody add this to the doc ?
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737 2013-10-21 14:41:27 <jgarzik> WTF?
738 2013-10-21 14:41:43 <jgarzik> a bunch of messages just got deleted from my bitcointalk thread, selling land :(
739 2013-10-21 14:41:45 <jgarzik> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=155237.0;all
740 2013-10-21 14:41:55 <jgarzik> 11 in total. some moderator is going nuts.
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742 2013-10-21 14:43:21 <deego> :(
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752 2013-10-21 14:49:46 <B0g4r7_> Are the address descriptions (notes) stored in wallet.dat?
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758 2013-10-21 14:54:41 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|B0g4r7_: Yes
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761 2013-10-21 14:57:04 <B0g4r7_> thjx
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777 2013-10-21 15:14:26 <jgarzik> Guffaw
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779 2013-10-21 15:14:45 <jgarzik> scrypt ASIC miner? http://majesti.co/cryptonerd/new-scrypt-asic-miner-announced/
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786 2013-10-21 15:24:36 <TD> oh great
787 2013-10-21 15:24:51 <TD> "The design will be a GPGPU device, NOT an FPGA device"
788 2013-10-21 15:25:07 <TD> what does that even mean?
789 2013-10-21 15:25:48 <helo> misleading title :/
790 2013-10-21 15:25:50 <sipa> so it's an ASIC in the sense that a GPU is an ASIC? :p
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800 2013-10-21 15:40:00 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|"- This was first announced as a GPGPU device. They have addressed this since, and are quoted: âFirst of all we apologise for using the term âGPGPUâ as our original plan was to use multiple graphics processing chips. In fact we have gone one step forward, after completing our pre-ASIC implementation of our FPGA design and handing it over to our ASIC
801 2013-10-21 15:40:00 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|manufacturer, we have reached excellent prototyping speeds to take this further.â"
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816 2013-10-21 15:58:00 <olalonde> do pools create the block to hash for their miners?
817 2013-10-21 15:58:20 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|In general, yes
818 2013-10-21 15:58:29 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(Details vary)
819 2013-10-21 15:58:47 <olalonde> oh ok
820 2013-10-21 15:59:07 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|At minimum, they dictate the coinbase transaction
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830 2013-10-21 16:17:33 <petertodd> michagogo|cloud>: oh, sounds like they might have bought a GPU design and made some mods to it to further optimize it, clever
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832 2013-10-21 16:17:56 <petertodd> michagogo|cloud: Or they bought plane tickets to Cuba and a getaway car. :P
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834 2013-10-21 16:18:55 <null> if BFL didn't run to cuba, nobody will
835 2013-10-21 16:19:22 <petertodd> null: BFL's shipped lots of hardware, just late
836 2013-10-21 16:19:55 <petertodd> null: given I work at a 10 year old pre-revenue hardware-oriented startup, I'm not going to be too harsh on them :P
837 2013-10-21 16:19:58 <null> late = when it was worthless
838 2013-10-21 16:21:01 <petertodd> null: meh, companies that make honest screwups don't tend to run to cuba, nor should we treat them like that
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840 2013-10-21 16:21:26 <null> petertodd: let's agree not to get into that discussion any further :)
841 2013-10-21 16:21:30 <petertodd> heh
842 2013-10-21 16:21:38 <petertodd> good call :)
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862 2013-10-21 16:59:22 <porquilho> does anyone know in Excel how to convert a cell like this "30.50" to 30,50
863 2013-10-21 16:59:51 <porquilho> the cell is a string and does not convert to number because that dot . is not considered anything
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866 2013-10-21 17:03:55 <EasyAt> When you format cells can't you select your decimal mark
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868 2013-10-21 17:07:07 <porquilho> im trying to find but i dont think so
869 2013-10-21 17:08:17 <porquilho> nop
870 2013-10-21 17:08:20 <porquilho> it doesnt have anything
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883 2013-10-21 17:20:35 <porquilho> I solved it EasyAt
884 2013-10-21 17:20:38 <porquilho> its like this:
885 2013-10-21 17:20:40 <Ry4an> if it's for your own use just do a search/replace on the seletion
886 2013-10-21 17:20:41 <porquilho> =SUBST(A6;".";",")
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888 2013-10-21 17:20:55 <EasyAt> porquilho: I think I just read that forum post hehe
889 2013-10-21 17:20:57 <porquilho> Ry4an yeah that would work too thanks
890 2013-10-21 17:21:04 <porquilho> what forum post?
891 2013-10-21 17:21:07 <porquilho> aaah
892 2013-10-21 17:21:08 <porquilho> lool
893 2013-10-21 17:21:11 <porquilho> i know what you mean lol
894 2013-10-21 17:21:15 <porquilho> it was here
895 2013-10-21 17:21:23 <porquilho> http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120514060903AAK9aRt
896 2013-10-21 17:21:25 <porquilho> :p
897 2013-10-21 17:21:28 <EasyAt> http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/office/forum/office_2007-excel/change-the-decimal-point-to-a-comma/5f7fa663-cded-4d9d-9c91-4d744daa91fa
898 2013-10-21 17:21:49 <porquilho> haha yep^!
899 2013-10-21 17:21:55 <porquilho> thanks for searching EasyAt
900 2013-10-21 17:21:59 <porquilho> <3
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902 2013-10-21 17:22:26 <EasyAt> No probs :) Not much to do while things build
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955 2013-10-21 18:57:01 <cornfeedhobo> is there a way to get raw block data from bitcoind?
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960 2013-10-21 18:58:38 <cornfeedhobo> oops, get block =P
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965 2013-10-21 19:00:13 <nkuttler> cornfeedhobo: getblock?
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1020 2013-10-21 20:01:52 <xit`> if anyone would like to help test/give feedback on a little project of mine; please feel free to PM me. merci!
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1023 2013-10-21 20:11:08 <nkuttler> xit`: link?
1024 2013-10-21 20:11:42 <nkuttler> while we're at it, i released this a few days ago https://github.com/nkuttler/flaskwallet .. didn't even think about mentioning it here :)
1025 2013-10-21 20:12:31 <helo> yay for flask <3
1026 2013-10-21 20:12:49 <nkuttler> was my first flask project though, might not be the cleanest code
1027 2013-10-21 20:12:59 <nkuttler> well, first big
1028 2013-10-21 20:13:02 <xit`> nkuttler, i'll message you
1029 2013-10-21 20:13:07 <nkuttler> xit`: sure
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1050 2013-10-21 21:11:44 <sipa> ;;diff
1051 2013-10-21 21:11:45 <gribble> 2.677312494824211E8
1052 2013-10-21 21:12:18 <sipa> ;;calc 2.67731249*10^8*2^48/65535
1053 2013-10-21 21:12:18 <gribble> Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
1054 2013-10-21 21:12:25 <sipa> ;;calc 2.67731249*10**8*2**48/65535
1055 2013-10-21 21:12:25 <gribble> 1149914504875102336
1056 2013-10-21 21:12:30 <sipa> ;;calc 2.67731249*10**8*2**48/65535/1000000000
1057 2013-10-21 21:12:31 <gribble> 1149914504.88
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1060 2013-10-21 21:15:20 <sipa> ;;calc 2.67731249*10**8*2**48/65535/1000000000/1000000000
1061 2013-10-21 21:15:20 <gribble> 1.14991450488
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1065 2013-10-21 21:30:50 <EasyAt> Heya, I'm writing a bit of code to examine the blockchain. I'm wondering how I know the size of Transaction Counter when reading a block
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1069 2013-10-21 21:31:53 <sipa> it's a variable-length integer
1070 2013-10-21 21:33:08 <EasyAt> sipa: When reading the block from disk. I am going to shift the first 4 bytes out, the second 4 bytes into blocksize. then the header. How do I know how many bytes I should shift in for TX counter?
1071 2013-10-21 21:33:52 <EasyAt> I think I am misunderstanding something
1072 2013-10-21 21:34:41 <sipa> you don't know that in advance
1073 2013-10-21 21:34:45 <sipa> let me find you a link
1074 2013-10-21 21:35:08 <sipa> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Protocol_specification#Variable_length_integer
1075 2013-10-21 21:36:00 <sipa> so read the first byte, and if it's not 0xfd, 0xfe or 0xff, that byte itself is the count
1076 2013-10-21 21:36:01 <EasyAt> Gotchya!, so if I see 0xfd I know the following byte is length?
1077 2013-10-21 21:36:23 <EasyAt> Neat, okay. thank you
1078 2013-10-21 21:36:23 <sipa> if you see a 0xfd, you read the next two bytes, and those together form the count
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1080 2013-10-21 21:37:00 <EasyAt> Cheers
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1109 2013-10-21 22:37:35 <Luke-Jr> gavinandresen: IMO, the benefit of NODE_BLOOM is that non-full nodes (ie, without NODE_NETWORK) might be able to provide NODE_BLOOM
1110 2013-10-21 22:37:50 <Luke-Jr> so not so much NODE_NETWORK-without-NODE_BLOOM as much as NODE_BLOOM-without-NODE_NETWORK
1111 2013-10-21 22:38:09 <Luke-Jr> am I missing something there?
1112 2013-10-21 22:38:21 <gavinandresen> Luke-Jr: okey dokey. When such a node exists, then that would be a good time to do a NODE_BLOOM.
1113 2013-10-21 22:40:07 <petertodd> Luke-Jr: options in general for what you are willing to serve are good; serving SPV and regular clients, and especially being an archival node, are very different optimizations
1114 2013-10-21 22:41:52 <gavinandresen> petertodd: no, options are generally bad. They make implementations more complex, and complexity is the enemy of security.
1115 2013-10-21 22:42:05 <gavinandresen> There must be clear benefits to outweigh those costs
1116 2013-10-21 22:42:07 <sipa> i don't think more configurations to test is much of a concern; node_network already exists and is implemented - the only difference is that you'd be able to disable it; for clients, the only change is not connecting to nodes that don't provide the service they want, and for other full nodes it becomes easier, as they can avoid implementing part
1117 2013-10-21 22:42:34 <petertodd> gavinandresen: pff, the logic of "that peer doesn't support bloom filters" isn't exactly complex
1118 2013-10-21 22:43:08 <sipa> the advantage is imho mostly that a node can focus on optimizing for latency or for bandwidth (=relay vs archival)
1119 2013-10-21 22:43:16 <gavinandresen> sipa: if an alternative implementor was proposing NODE_BLOOM, then I'd be more open to it
1120 2013-10-21 22:43:33 <petertodd> gavinandresen: alt as in SPV or any other?
1121 2013-10-21 22:43:45 <gavinandresen> alt as in fully-validating other implementation
1122 2013-10-21 22:44:01 <sipa> what i am less certain about, is whether forcing bloom filter implementation to be supported results in a more usable network
1123 2013-10-21 22:44:09 <sipa> that would be one reason for keeping it
1124 2013-10-21 22:44:23 <petertodd> gavinandresen: the last thing we need is more of those... but actually yeah, I can easily see a dedicated implementation optimized for archival nodes wanting to not do bloom
1125 2013-10-21 22:44:48 <petertodd> sipa: especially in the future if bloom filters get replaced by something else, like UTXO queries (as many want)
1126 2013-10-21 22:45:08 <gavinandresen> petertodd: "okey dokey" -- again, when one of those mythical creatures comes back and asks for NODE_BLOOM, that would be a good time to consider adding it
1127 2013-10-21 22:45:55 <gavinandresen> A lot of engineers have a tendency to want to add the kitchen sink right now, "just in case it is neeeded in the future"
1128 2013-10-21 22:46:07 <gavinandresen> That is almost always the wrong thing to do.
1129 2013-10-21 22:46:13 <petertodd> gavinandresen: yes, like forcing a dependency on bloom filters
1130 2013-10-21 22:46:33 <sipa> gavinandresen: no offence, but i consider forcing bloom filters much more of a kitchen sink :)
1131 2013-10-21 22:46:36 <gavinandresen> bloom filters are being used RIGHT NOW, and are absolutely needed.
1132 2013-10-21 22:47:07 <petertodd> gavinandresen: if you want to get philosophical, we have to accept that the rational for running a SPV-serving node is low
1133 2013-10-21 22:47:18 <sipa> i'm not questioning their usefulness btw, and i'm still in the middle about whether making it optional is certainly the best way
1134 2013-10-21 22:47:26 <petertodd> gavinandresen: but it sure is convenient for SPV clients that a commonly used implementation has no other way to operate
1135 2013-10-21 22:47:50 <gavinandresen> petertodd: if you are meta-rational and want to see bitcoin succeed, then it is absolutely rational to serve SPV nodes.
1136 2013-10-21 22:48:02 <gavinandresen> petertodd: you have a really narrow view of "rational"
1137 2013-10-21 22:48:26 <petertodd> gavinandresen: yes, because rational behavior has a way of being very narrow
1138 2013-10-21 22:48:50 <petertodd> gavinandresen: I'd rather see those few have a simple easy standard to follow so SPV clients can easily filter them out
1139 2013-10-21 22:48:53 <gavinandresen> petertodd: ⦠and you really need to work on how you try to convince people that you're right, you've managed to piss off both me and MIke to the point where I, at least, want to ignore whatever you say.
1140 2013-10-21 22:48:55 * Luke-Jr notes you *can't* force nodes to provide any service.
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1142 2013-10-21 22:49:25 <sipa> :(
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1144 2013-10-21 22:49:30 <petertodd> gavinandresen: meh, I don't consider you two any more special than the rest of the team.
1145 2013-10-21 22:49:45 <sipa> petertodd: you're not helping
1146 2013-10-21 22:49:47 <petertodd> Luke-Jr: indeed
1147 2013-10-21 22:50:43 <petertodd> Luke-Jr: out of curiosity, you putting that patch in next-test?
1148 2013-10-21 22:51:03 <Luke-Jr> petertodd: if it's still around when I build it next, but that doesn't influence anything
1149 2013-10-21 22:51:18 <Luke-Jr> s/doesn't/shouldn't/
1150 2013-10-21 22:51:37 <petertodd> Luke-Jr: cool - I've left out a bug fix for it for awhile related to the bloom io attack, but I think it's been long enough to consider it public
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1156 2013-10-21 23:10:37 <Krellan_> Luke-Jr: bfgminer question
1157 2013-10-21 23:11:09 <Luke-Jr> if it isn't devel-related, ask in #eligius
1158 2013-10-21 23:11:16 <Krellan_> Been experimenting with --cmd-idle and similar. Looks like there's nothing stopping tons of threads from being spawned rather quickly.
1159 2013-10-21 23:12:46 <Krellan_> It is devel-related. I also saw it give a message "device already in use by another process" when it tries to reopen. I wonder if releasing the flock would help, just before the new thread is launched?
1160 2013-10-21 23:13:14 <Krellan_> I'm thinking of adding new option --cmd-err, to split up the error cases vs. the idle cases. It seems --cmd-idle is called way too often.
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1162 2013-10-21 23:13:54 <Krellan_> I'm experimenting with adding escapes to the commands, such as %f = the device path filename, so the commands know which device is offending.
1163 2013-10-21 23:14:16 <Luke-Jr> Krellan_: hmm, so the fork-exec isn't closing open fd?
1164 2013-10-21 23:14:48 <Krellan_> I think what's going on is that the main thread is trying to reopen the device, *after* thread/fork but *before* exec.
1165 2013-10-21 23:15:00 <Krellan_> I noticed FD_CLOEXEC already set on the fd, that's good.
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1168 2013-10-21 23:16:03 <Luke-Jr> hm
1169 2013-10-21 23:16:45 <Krellan_> Strange, isn't it? I noticed the retry is done really quickly at start, which is a good thing, but it brings out this race.
1170 2013-10-21 23:17:42 <Krellan_> Also, was considering adding a mutex so that only one outstanding command would be running at once. The reopen failure causes another error condition, which kicks off another command... forkbombing myself.
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1172 2013-10-21 23:20:38 <Luke-Jr> >_<
1173 2013-10-21 23:24:48 <Krellan_> Worked on this some last night, and that's where I'm at.
1174 2013-10-21 23:26:12 <super3> hello all
1175 2013-10-21 23:26:32 <Krellan_> I'm thinking, if a command is already running, do nothing. Otherwise, release the flock(), then create the thread, and run the command.
1176 2013-10-21 23:28:30 <Luke-Jr> I'm modifying serial_close to release flock before closing
1177 2013-10-21 23:28:42 <Luke-Jr> that *should* fix that particular issue I think
1178 2013-10-21 23:29:21 <Luke-Jr> ok, pushed that
1179 2013-10-21 23:31:45 <Krellan_> Thanks, will try it tonight.
1180 2013-10-21 23:32:43 <Krellan_> Is serial_close() called before the various run_cmd() calls?
1181 2013-10-21 23:33:04 <Luke-Jr> no
1182 2013-10-21 23:33:10 <Luke-Jr> it's called when the driver wants to close it
1183 2013-10-21 23:34:47 <Krellan_> Then it might not help in the situation where the command is ran at the exact same time the driver's trying to reopen the serial port?
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1187 2013-10-21 23:35:48 <Luke-Jr> Krellan_: it should
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1191 2013-10-21 23:38:49 <super3> added an issue for the shiny rpc client https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/3122
1192 2013-10-21 23:40:33 <Krellan_> Thanks, will try it.
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1194 2013-10-21 23:41:55 <Krellan_> Adding a mutex to ensure only 1 outstanding command runs at a time, good or bad idea? Good to avoid forkbomb, bad to miss rapid events that would otherwise have commands ran for them.
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1197 2013-10-21 23:42:27 <sipa> super3: great
1198 2013-10-21 23:42:37 <Luke-Jr> Krellan_: maybe a limit of <total_devices> commands per second?
1199 2013-10-21 23:42:39 <Luke-Jr> or smth
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1201 2013-10-21 23:42:52 <Luke-Jr> Krellan_: or lock per-device per-type?
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1208 2013-10-21 23:54:00 <Krellan_> Luke-Jr: I like the idea of per-device per-type, even though it would make a ton of locks, they would hardly ever be used.
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1214 2013-10-21 23:58:48 <Luke-Jr> Krellan_: well, you could use one lock, and per-device/per-type bools
1215 2013-10-21 23:58:56 <Luke-Jr> lock, check/set the bool, unlock
1216 2013-10-21 23:59:03 <Luke-Jr> then unset when system returns