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  11 2013-11-13 00:15:41 <TD> devrandom: is there a known issue with coinbase failing to detect transactions?
  12 2013-11-13 00:17:37 <Jason> TD: O.O
  13 2013-11-13 00:17:48 <TD> never mind. it's just slow for some reason
  14 2013-11-13 00:18:10 <Jason> ah
  15 2013-11-13 00:18:20 <Jason> TD: i was like, crap, not going to use coinbase
  16 2013-11-13 00:18:20 <Jason> lol
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  18 2013-11-13 00:18:39 <TD> it gave me a progress bar that had to reach full before it'd detect the tx had been sent
  19 2013-11-13 00:18:45 <TD> i was expecting it to notice right away
  20 2013-11-13 00:22:26 <Jason> ah
  21 2013-11-13 00:22:32 <Jason> was worried
  22 2013-11-13 00:22:32 <Jason> lol
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  37 2013-11-13 00:48:11 <devrandom> TD: I don't know much about coinbase
  38 2013-11-13 00:48:53 <devrandom> TD: which version of protoc should I compile with?
  39 2013-11-13 00:49:01 <TD> 2.5.0
  40 2013-11-13 00:49:31 * TD -> bed
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  42 2013-11-13 00:50:08 <devrandom> OK
  43 2013-11-13 00:50:11 <devrandom> good night
  44 2013-11-13 00:50:13 <devrandom> thank you
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  59 2013-11-13 01:06:18 <gcX46> can someone please point out why this block is rejected with error: "block height mismatch in coinbase" ? It's height is 128
  60 2013-11-13 01:06:21 <gcX46> 020000007c996def2e01000fd163a77775d3bc8f6b87cd54e3fa8827ecbaf3d7000000001d335648349c5a5204d8feae4aa8f19a8a880086c3aee844983ae41734b23de711c98252ffff001d06d7292d0101000000010000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000ffffffff15018068656c6c6f20776f726c640000000108000000ffffffff0100f2052a010000001976a914a255e72e084c3423bc52bcce5d8219626ca57c6688ac00000000
  61 2013-11-13 01:11:08 <dexX7> EXCEPTION: St9bad_alloc
  62 2013-11-13 01:11:09 <dexX7> std::bad_alloc
  63 2013-11-13 01:11:09 <dexX7> bitcoin in ProcessMessages() << what's that?
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  77 2013-11-13 01:32:32 <HaltingState> gmaxwell, I want help "an example break also of the EC with constants chosen by NSA, are in plain view for the public to find. An elegant mathematical object in which XOR commutes with EC has already been dissected at great length," I know he is talking about  Dual_EC_DRBG in first sentence; but what is he refering to in second sentence
  78 2013-11-13 01:32:49 <HaltingState> he is suggesting that there is possible break in EC
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  81 2013-11-13 01:33:23 <HaltingState> sipa, do you know?
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 270 2013-11-13 04:52:31 <dooglus_> my bitcoind hasn't seen the last 14 blocks.  it's still online, seeing transactions, etc.  what could be wrong?
 271 2013-11-13 04:53:00 <dooglus_> the affected bitcoind's debug.log has this as the most recent block: SetBestChain: new best=00000000000000037b71bfe23a48c7b4181511c459ff1b4b5569cd4c17c064cd  height=269329  log2_work=73.822942  tx=26948290  date=2013-11-13 03:03:06 progress=0.999998
 272 2013-11-13 04:53:02 <gmaxwell> dooglus_: loon in the logs.
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 274 2013-11-13 04:53:12 <dooglus_> loo?
 275 2013-11-13 04:53:22 <gmaxwell> look, but I was a little slow.
 276 2013-11-13 04:53:33 <dooglus_> whereas another bitcoind shows SetBestChain: new best=00000000000000057ed3f29b8d6ada349c813059df6e306069ccf3530a057063  height=269344  log2_work=73.825781  tx=26952230  date=2013-11-13 04:47:11 progress=0.999998
 277 2013-11-13 04:53:54 <gmaxwell> How many connections (getinfo) ? anything that looks atypical in the log after the last SetBestChain?
 278 2013-11-13 04:54:13 <dooglus_>     "connections" : 8,
 279 2013-11-13 04:54:34 <gmaxwell> grep -i invalid ~/.bitcoin/debug.log
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 282 2013-11-13 04:55:58 <dooglus_> nothing very interesting afdter the last block.  I'll check for 'invalid
 283 2013-11-13 04:56:21 <dooglus_> "grep -i invalid ~/.bitcoin/debug.log" finds nothing
 284 2013-11-13 04:56:36 <warren> sipa: to answer your earlier question, no, it is not visible in getinfo
 285 2013-11-13 04:56:41 <dooglus_> shall I restart bitcoind?  or is there anything else you want me to try?
 286 2013-11-13 04:56:42 <gmaxwell> getpeerinfo might be somewhat informative.
 287 2013-11-13 04:56:52 <gmaxwell> dooglus_: I assume no errors in the getinfo output?
 288 2013-11-13 04:57:00 <dooglus_> it lists 8 peers
 289 2013-11-13 04:57:07 <gmaxwell> dooglus_: save your getpeerinfo in a file.
 290 2013-11-13 04:57:25 <gmaxwell> dooglus_: are the bytesrecv going up for your peers?
 291 2013-11-13 04:57:31 <dooglus_> { "version" : 80400, "protocolversion" : 70001, "walletversion" : 60000, "balance" : 484.27121119, "blocks" : 269329, "timeoffset" : -1, "connections" : 8, "proxy" : "", "difficulty" : 510929738.01615179, "testnet" : false, "keypoololdest" : 1383752243, "keypoolsize" : 5001, "paytxfee" : 0.00010000, "errors" : "" }
 292 2013-11-13 04:58:22 <kjj> watch -d "bitcoind getpeerinfo | grep last"
 293 2013-11-13 04:58:22 <gmaxwell> in any case, shut down, copy off your debug.log, go ahead and restart.
 294 2013-11-13 04:58:55 <Apocalyptic> version : 80400, you might want to upgrade that
 295 2013-11-13 04:58:59 <gmaxwell> kjj: nice
 296 2013-11-13 04:59:14 <gmaxwell> Apocalyptic: indeed, though we didn't fix anything in 805 that should have an impact here.
 297 2013-11-13 04:59:16 <dooglus_> only one of the 8 peers seems to have an increasing bytesrecv value
 298 2013-11-13 04:59:24 <kjj> I really wish there was a single letter mode for --differences=cumulative
 299 2013-11-13 05:01:03 <kjj> RPC commands for peer management would be super handy
 300 2013-11-13 05:01:54 <Apocalyptic> gmaxwell, wasn't there some DOS fix that would explain why dooglus_ doesn't have the main chain ?
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 303 2013-11-13 05:04:20 <MC1984> dooglus_ take those coins offline.....
 304 2013-11-13 05:04:33 <dooglus_> I restarted, and now getblockcount shows a higher number each time
 305 2013-11-13 05:04:58 <kjj> you had accumulated some lame nodes
 306 2013-11-13 05:05:42 <dooglus_> getblockhash 269345 now shows the same on both my nodes
 307 2013-11-13 05:05:56 <dooglus_> hmm
 308 2013-11-13 05:05:56 <gmaxwell> Apocalyptic: no.
 309 2013-11-13 05:07:09 <kjj> blocking the known bogus nodes in my firewall was the best thing I ever did in bitcoin
 310 2013-11-13 05:07:37 <gmaxwell> dooglus_: anything interesting about the IPs of your prior peers? they weren't all on one subnet or something were they?
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 312 2013-11-13 05:08:05 <warren> bitcoind would connect to alll the same subnet?
 313 2013-11-13 05:08:08 <Diablo-D3> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130117.msg3551633#msg3551633
 314 2013-11-13 05:08:11 <Diablo-D3> er wrong channel
 315 2013-11-13 05:08:59 <kjj> warren: over time, a normal node will exchange the 8 outgoing connections for 8 incoming
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 318 2013-11-13 05:09:48 <gmaxwell> kjj: huh. No way.
 319 2013-11-13 05:09:52 <kjj> 176.9.144.41, 5.9.0.0/16, 144.76.0.0/16, 46.4.64.21, 88.198.41.74, 91.121.58.230, 199.193.117.231, 178.33.43.149, 129.132.230.73
 320 2013-11-13 05:10:09 <gmaxwell> kjj: it should attempt to maintain 8 outgoing regardless of whats up with incoming.
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 322 2013-11-13 05:10:58 <kjj> gmaxwell: recent change?  my long-running node doesn't try to make new outgoing connections while it has enough total connections
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 324 2013-11-13 05:12:01 <gmaxwell> kjj: if its doing that its a security relevant bug and we sould fix it. (still not applicable to dooglus though, as he had only 8)
 325 2013-11-13 05:12:45 <gmaxwell>             else if (nInbound >= nMaxConnections - MAX_OUTBOUND_CONNECTIONS)
 326 2013-11-13 05:12:49 <gmaxwell>                         closesocket(hSocket);
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 328 2013-11-13 05:14:43 <kjj> hmm.  I'll check to see if I did anything to my node that would have changed that
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 330 2013-11-13 05:18:53 <gmaxwell> kjj: in any case, I'm not saying there is couldn't be a bug... the number of outbounds is now mediated by a semaphore that could be leaking or something.
 331 2013-11-13 05:19:13 <gmaxwell> But if you have some evidence of it, I'd urgently like to know, since it would be a serious issue if true.
 332 2013-11-13 05:20:01 <gmaxwell> I just checked all of mine and I have 8.
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 335 2013-11-13 05:20:40 <kjj> heh.  the node I'm thinking of is running a hacked up version of 0.7
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 337 2013-11-13 05:21:09 <kjj> when I replace that server, I'll run the current version and set up a script to log peer data
 338 2013-11-13 05:21:56 <dooglus_> gmaxwell; you tell me: "132.65.240.100:8333", "139.19.158.227: "130.216.1.23: "128.252.19.19:8333", "88.255.99.250:8333", "188.1.240.186:8333", "88.183.89.76:8333", "114.46.109.111:8333"
 339 2013-11-13 05:22:25 <Apocalyptic> that doesn't seem like a single subnet to me
 340 2013-11-13 05:23:04 <dooglus_> I tool a copy of debug.log before restarting if you want to know anything more from it
 341 2013-11-13 05:23:10 <dooglus_> took*
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 344 2013-11-13 05:23:48 <gmaxwell> kjj: ah, well 8 out always is not a new feature, but perhaps a local change of yours might have caused it.
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 346 2013-11-13 05:24:25 <kjj> gmaxwell: I wouldn't be surprised by that at all.  I had to hack things up a bit to make sure that a node that restarts frequently always gets reconnected
 347 2013-11-13 05:24:31 <dooglus_> I'm running a binary I downloaded from sourceforge.  it worked for weeks if not months without issue, without restarting
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 349 2013-11-13 05:25:29 <gmaxwell> dooglus_: I was commenting on something unrelated kjj saw.
 350 2013-11-13 05:25:38 <dooglus_> ok
 351 2013-11-13 05:26:18 <dooglus_> so do you have any explanation of how my node was 14 blocks behind the rest of the network?
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 353 2013-11-13 05:26:48 <gmaxwell> dooglus_: if you want to you can email me that debug.log (it'll have your txids and IP in it, infor about some of your rpc calls but no key material, shouldn't have anything else private) I can flip through it and look for anything suspect, otherwise I don't have anything to suggest at the moment.
 354 2013-11-13 05:27:04 <gmaxwell> dooglus_: it sounded like from your watch data that its connections to other nodes were stuck.
 355 2013-11-13 05:27:28 <gmaxwell> the network is pretty active so you should have basically seen bytes recieved going up constantly.
 356 2013-11-13 05:27:51 <kjj> grep -i reorg debug.log
 357 2013-11-13 05:28:24 <kjj> (do on the saved copy, not the current one)
 358 2013-11-13 05:28:26 <gmaxwell> dooglus_: can you grep the log for 0000000000000008090ce90151bc  ? thats the block after the last one you accepted.
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 361 2013-11-13 05:29:37 <kjj> gmaxwell: is there a timeout for connections that don't produce traffic?
 362 2013-11-13 05:29:43 <dooglus_> no match
 363 2013-11-13 05:29:58 <dooglus_> though the new debug.log has "received block 0000000000000008090ce90151bcf3ff4b24f3a240e89981985581ce3463bdba"
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 366 2013-11-13 05:30:52 <kjj> see, a remote inspection tool would be super handy right now.  hit each of your former peers, ask them if they have that block
 367 2013-11-13 05:31:06 <dooglus_> kjj> grep -i reorg debug.log : 56 lines match
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 369 2013-11-13 05:32:11 <gmaxwell> kjj: there is, but its pretty long.
 370 2013-11-13 05:32:43 <dooglus_> kjj: http://just-dice.com/reorg.txt
 371 2013-11-13 05:32:50 <gmaxwell> (90 minutes)
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 373 2013-11-13 05:33:45 <kjj> ugh.  timestamps man, timestamps!
 374 2013-11-13 05:33:54 <gmaxwell> the last connect is at 269203
 375 2013-11-13 05:33:58 <gmaxwell> so not interesting.
 376 2013-11-13 05:34:46 <kjj> your node was not stuck in a reorg loop.  really looks like you just had 8 lame peers (which is a mystery itself)
 377 2013-11-13 05:35:58 <dooglus_> the old debug.log was 334586065 bytes long.  I expect that represents a long run
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 380 2013-11-13 05:37:20 <kjj> interesting that all 4 of the reorgs in my current logs are also in yours
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 383 2013-11-13 05:38:18 <dooglus_> reload that URL - it includes line numbers now
 384 2013-11-13 05:38:30 <dooglus_> they are fairly spread out
 385 2013-11-13 05:39:08 <gmaxwell> kjj: well, or a local network event goofed up the 8 tcp connections at once.. but I don't know they they didn't get inactivity kicked.
 386 2013-11-13 05:39:38 <dooglus_> one of the 8 was still sending bytes
 387 2013-11-13 05:40:32 <kjj> I see just over 90 minutes difference in my timestamps between the last block his stuck node saw vs. the block current when he restarted it
 388 2013-11-13 05:40:48 <dooglus_> as in one of the 8 shown by getpeerinfo had a 'bytesrecv' value that was higher each time I looked
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 390 2013-11-13 05:41:37 <kjj> gah.  I need to stop hanging out in this channel.  my todo list is already beyond my possible lifetime
 391 2013-11-13 05:42:05 <dooglus_> while 'stuck', debug.log was still updating with lines line:
 392 2013-11-13 05:42:06 <dooglus_> CTxMemPool::accept() : accepted 3f25cb7111664320893daae985d76471e8d82d0501d8e8e7a5cd0fe2bd24601c (poolsz 812)
 393 2013-11-13 05:42:11 <dooglus_> and Added 1 addresses from 128.252.19.19: 1880 tried, 14879 new
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 395 2013-11-13 05:42:41 <kjj> hmm.
 396 2013-11-13 05:43:17 <dooglus_> I have a large keypool if that matters: "ThreadRPCServer method=getaccountaddress\nkeypool added key 35127, size=5001"
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 398 2013-11-13 05:45:55 <gmaxwell> dooglus_: nah, shouldn't matter. Thats not that large.
 399 2013-11-13 05:49:13 <kjj> a=`wc -l debug.log | cut -d ' ' -f 1`; b=`grep -n 37b71 -m 1 debug.log | cut -d ':' -f 1` ; c=`echo "$a-$b" | bc` ; tail debug.log -n $c | grep "addresses from"
 400 2013-11-13 05:49:25 <kjj> replace debug.log with the proper filename in all 3 places
 401 2013-11-13 05:50:17 <kjj> that will fetch all of the "Added x addresses from Y" lines after the last block, which may give some idea of traffic from other peers
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 403 2013-11-13 05:51:16 <kjj> if you only see 128.252.19.19, that supports Greg's theory of the local network hiccup
 404 2013-11-13 05:51:31 <dooglus_> kjj: thousands of lines of output
 405 2013-11-13 05:51:46 <dooglus_> 67338 lines
 406 2013-11-13 05:51:52 <dooglus_> 46227 lines*
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 408 2013-11-13 05:52:04 <kjj> redo the command, but add " | grep -v 128.252.19.19" on the end
 409 2013-11-13 05:52:50 <dooglus_> still too much output
 410 2013-11-13 05:53:11 <kjj> ok, so either my script is buggy, or you were getting non-block messages from at least one other node
 411 2013-11-13 05:54:10 <dooglus_> is the "grep -n 37b71" meant to match "106381:CTxMemPool::accept() : accepted 37b7111ccaaaac13e78199df7f44839ba0945768cd049d3b5725906bb0616ab8 (poolsz 1334)"?
 412 2013-11-13 05:54:25 <kjj> oh, shit.  no
 413 2013-11-13 05:54:44 <kjj> try tacking on another digit or two.  37b71bfe
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 415 2013-11-13 05:55:11 <ryan-c> What would be the best way to generate a BIP0032 address where I want a 256 bit child number? m/29bit value/.../29bit value/24bit value maybe?
 416 2013-11-13 05:55:30 <dooglus_> so now it gives 318 lines without the grep -v, and 292 with it
 417 2013-11-13 05:56:32 <kjj> add:    | cut -d ' ' -f 7 | uniq
 418 2013-11-13 05:57:27 <kjj> shit, should be 5 in there instead of 7.
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 420 2013-11-13 05:57:43 <kjj> and turn timestamps on.  :)
 421 2013-11-13 05:57:52 <dooglus_> now it says jusy "tried,"
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 423 2013-11-13 05:57:59 <ryan-c> I want to generate BIP0032 addresses that are derived in part from the sha256 of some data.
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 425 2013-11-13 05:58:12 <arioBarzan> Why there is no traces of bitcoin binaries earlier than version bitcoin-0.3.24 on sourcefourge obsolete collection of old binaries?
 426 2013-11-13 05:58:18 <dooglus_> timestamps should be on by default?
 427 2013-11-13 05:58:45 <arioBarzan> http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Obsolete/
 428 2013-11-13 05:58:52 <kjj> arioBarzan: I don't think there was a proper build system before then.
 429 2013-11-13 05:59:02 <kjj> I'm not sure about that though, it was before my time
 430 2013-11-13 05:59:05 <dooglus_> kjj: are you sure you want the 7th field?
 431 2013-11-13 05:59:23 <kjj> dooglus_: should be 5th field if you don't have timestamps on
 432 2013-11-13 05:59:26 <dooglus_> lines are like: Added 1 addresses from 139.19.158.227: 1879 tried, 14883 new
 433 2013-11-13 05:59:28 <gmaxwell> dooglus_: they're useful for troubleshooting but they create an incentive to go hoovering up logs to trace transactions.
 434 2013-11-13 06:00:08 <dooglus_> do you prefer sort -u to uniq?
 435 2013-11-13 06:00:25 <dooglus_> otherwise I see stuff like: 114.46.109.111: 88.255.99.250: 114.46.109.111:
 436 2013-11-13 06:00:31 <kjj> yeah, that would probably be better
 437 2013-11-13 06:00:57 <dooglus_> ok, now I see: 114.46.109.111: 130.216.1.23: 132.65.240.100: 139.19.158.227: 173.52.85.34: 188.1.240.186: 88.183.89.76: 88.255.99.250:
 438 2013-11-13 06:01:09 <dooglus_> (on 8 lines)
 439 2013-11-13 06:01:16 <kjj> ok, so your box was catching messages from all 8 peers
 440 2013-11-13 06:01:51 <kjj> to solve this mystery, someone needs to write a tool that connects to those peers and asks them for their inventory
 441 2013-11-13 06:02:14 <gmaxwell> kjj: no need to write anything...
 442 2013-11-13 06:02:25 <gmaxwell> you can easily see their starting height.
 443 2013-11-13 06:02:32 <gmaxwell> if you just addnode one of them.
 444 2013-11-13 06:02:54 <kjj> in that case, someone needs to write a addnode RPC call...
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 446 2013-11-13 06:03:21 * ryan-c wonders if he should just add the keys together rather than try to hack bip0032 into doing what he wants
 447 2013-11-13 06:03:26 <gmaxwell> kjj: you mean bluematt a year ago?
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 449 2013-11-13 06:03:43 <gmaxwell> kjj: someone needs to give you software newer that last century. :P
 450 2013-11-13 06:03:48 <kjj> ryan-c: what are you trying to do?
 451 2013-11-13 06:05:04 <kjj> gmaxwell: the box I do my work on has a hard enough time compiling 0.7.x.  0.8 damn near killed it.
 452 2013-11-13 06:05:06 <ryan-c> I want to publish an address or bip0032 public key and combine it with the output of a hash algorithm to get a new address
 453 2013-11-13 06:06:00 <kjj> ryan-c: and what are you trying to accomplish with that?
 454 2013-11-13 06:07:25 <kjj> gmaxwell: actually, I had to do a panic upgrade of the RAM in that box to a full gig because of a previous change, I think 0.6->0.7
 455 2013-11-13 06:07:39 <ryan-c> generate addresses deterministically based on arbitrary data that can be proved to be receivable by the holder of some root key
 456 2013-11-13 06:07:57 <gmaxwell> kjj: there are memory leaks before 0.8.3 that are not friendly.. lastest code should use a lot less memory at runtime.
 457 2013-11-13 06:08:07 <kjj> not runtime, compiling
 458 2013-11-13 06:08:20 <gmaxwell> kjj: yea, I did qualify for that reason. :)
 459 2013-11-13 06:08:42 * ryan-c is not doing a good job coming up with a brief explanation
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 461 2013-11-13 06:09:26 <gmaxwell> ryan-c: have you also invented pay to contract?
 462 2013-11-13 06:09:33 <kjj> root@inana:/opt# cat /proc/cpuinfo
 463 2013-11-13 06:09:33 <kjj> model name      : AMD Athlon(tm) XP 1800+
 464 2013-11-13 06:09:33 <kjj> cpu MHz         : 1533.026
 465 2013-11-13 06:09:33 <kjj> bogomips        : 3031.04
 466 2013-11-13 06:10:01 <ryan-c> gmaxwell: Maybe? Let me read your bitcoin talk thread.
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 468 2013-11-13 06:10:40 <gmaxwell> ryan-c: well I'm not the originator of pay to contract... there are a number of threads and a paper on the idea.
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 470 2013-11-13 06:11:18 <ryan-c> gmaxwell: Yeah, pay-to-contract describes what I want to do.
 471 2013-11-13 06:11:30 <ryan-c> mostly
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 473 2013-11-13 06:12:34 <ryan-c> gmaxwell: So, compute H(contract) and add to the master key's public point, then?
 474 2013-11-13 06:12:41 <gmaxwell> okay, well I think you should just be taking in a pubkey and a hash... and the pubkey could possibly but necessarily come from bip32.
 475 2013-11-13 06:12:42 <dooglus_> I'm having no luck with 'addnode'.  I have 8 connections before and after 'addnode add' or 'addnode remove'
 476 2013-11-13 06:13:57 <ryan-c> Alright. I'm pretty familiar with combining keys via addition like that, and that was my initial thought, but I was wondering if there was some reasonable way to use bip32.
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 493 2013-11-13 06:40:04 <tort> anyone know of any guides on BTC and ruby that are worth reading?
 494 2013-11-13 06:40:25 <tort> I'm trying to learn about the protocol and how BTC works
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 610 2013-11-13 08:56:25 <sipa> warren: in nowallet mode, there is no balance, keypoolsize, walletversion, ...
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 614 2013-11-13 09:00:48 <warren> sipa: ok sure.  I just think the previous PR had a multiple people who wanted s/.../!/ and keeping any message there would be more informative than not.  The absence of things is harder to see in general.
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 619 2013-11-13 09:05:07 <sipa> warren: ok then write a patch
 620 2013-11-13 09:06:14 <warren> sipa: I did, and it turned out he already repushed it with it.
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 660 2013-11-13 09:53:50 <graingert> hai
 661 2013-11-13 09:53:52 <TD> good morning
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 665 2013-11-13 09:57:05 <sipa> ohai
 666 2013-11-13 09:57:19 <graingert> hmm, I've been mentioned according to my client
 667 2013-11-13 09:57:22 <graingert> but I can't find it
 668 2013-11-13 09:57:26 <graingert> and grepping my logs fails
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 670 2013-11-13 09:58:29 <graingert> ah BlueMatt
 671 2013-11-13 09:58:32 <Luke-Jr> [Tuesday, November 12, 2013] [6:10:13 PM] <michagogo|cloud>     BlueMatt: Are you the only one with access to the ppa?
 672 2013-11-13 09:58:33 <Luke-Jr> [Tuesday, November 12, 2013] [6:10:52 PM] <BlueMatt>    Im the only one who touches it, but graingert has access as well
 673 2013-11-13 09:58:35 <graingert> I was grepping the wrong logs
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 675 2013-11-13 09:59:08 <Luke-Jr> XD
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 691 2013-11-13 10:11:13 <cityding0> Hi, for a block's hash - is that just a massive hexadecimal number?
 692 2013-11-13 10:11:30 <cityding0> so is it run through sha-256 then just converted to hex? to be less than the target
 693 2013-11-13 10:11:38 <Luke-Jr> not really, but in some cases Bitcoin treats it as one
 694 2013-11-13 10:11:44 <Luke-Jr> interpreted very weirdly
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 696 2013-11-13 10:12:25 <cityding0> what would you call it then? im trying to explain to someone the proof of work and how it has to be lower than the target
 697 2013-11-13 10:12:33 <cityding0> and the wiki is a bit vague of how it gets turned to a number :(
 698 2013-11-13 10:12:39 <Luke-Jr> that's the case where Bitcoin treats it as one
 699 2013-11-13 10:12:50 <Luke-Jr> err, you really don't want to try to explain that
 700 2013-11-13 10:12:50 <cityding0> ahh
 701 2013-11-13 10:12:55 <Luke-Jr> it's insane
 702 2013-11-13 10:13:17 <Luke-Jr> as in, mixed-endian
 703 2013-11-13 10:13:35 <cityding0> lol
 704 2013-11-13 10:13:37 <cityding0> why is it mixed?
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 708 2013-11-13 10:18:39 <berndj> i'm trying to parse https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/URI_Scheme#Transfer_amount.2Fsize and the amount=x40 example seems to contradict the implied X4 for hex amounts. which is it?
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 732 2013-11-13 10:37:19 <Luke-Jr> cityding0: because Satoshi wasn't very bright <.<
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 735 2013-11-13 10:38:30 <Luke-Jr> berndj: contradicts how? seems consistent to me
 736 2013-11-13 10:40:45 <cityding0> lol
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 739 2013-11-13 10:43:05 <sipa> why does the wiki even mention that encoding? bip20 has been replaced
 740 2013-11-13 10:43:52 <Luke-Jr> sipa: the page does mention BIP 21 at the top already; I presume he wants better compatibility
 741 2013-11-13 10:44:08 <Luke-Jr> in any case, I'm curious what the apparent contradiction is, as it seems consistent to me
 742 2013-11-13 10:44:43 <sipa> right, i completely missed that first line - think others would too :)
 743 2013-11-13 10:44:53 <sipa> the consistency issue is of course separate
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 758 2013-11-13 11:00:43 <berndj> Luke-Jr, if X4 is the default, then isn't x1 = x1X4 = 65536 satoshi, and not 2^32 satoshi?
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 807 2013-11-13 12:14:37 <berndj> fwiw i just didn't notice the link to BIP 21. i like that one better (i'm writing, not reading, so backward compatibility isn't my problem. not paying attention is)
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 822 2013-11-13 12:41:55 <kezu> in bitcoind how do i know its done downloading the blockchain?
 823 2013-11-13 12:46:01 <kjj> that's tricky
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 826 2013-11-13 12:47:42 <kjj> some RPC commands will indicate that the download is still in progress
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 828 2013-11-13 12:49:46 <kjj> on my mining nodes that switch from a backup pool to a local p2pool when everything is running, I iterate the getwork command, searching for the strings "error" and "download".  error means it is still starting up, download means it is downloading
 829 2013-11-13 12:51:01 <kjj> but that isn't perfect.  the download message goes away before it is really done.
 830 2013-11-13 12:52:16 <kjj> if you really need your node to be current, you'll need to poll some outside sources and compare
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 840 2013-11-13 13:03:16 <kezu> does running bitcoin d generate bitcoins?
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 842 2013-11-13 13:03:56 <matjeh> kezu: as a quick check, i just check the date/time of the last block that it has, and see how old it is
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 844 2013-11-13 13:04:33 <kezu> matjeh: would that be in the blocks folder or is there a command to run?
 845 2013-11-13 13:04:45 <matjeh> date --date @$(bitcoind getblock $(bitcoind getblockhash $(bitcoind getblockcount))|jq '.time')
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 847 2013-11-13 13:04:48 <matjeh> :p
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 849 2013-11-13 13:06:41 <kezu> thats to be run in terminal?
 850 2013-11-13 13:07:59 <kezu> should the bitcoind getinfo command tell me something? how many blocks are there so far maybe i can compare the number
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 857 2013-11-13 13:11:14 <kjj> getinfo will tell you how many blocks your node has.  getpeerinfo can tell you how many blocks your peers had at the moment you connected to them
 858 2013-11-13 13:11:49 <jgarzik> mornin'
 859 2013-11-13 13:12:49 <xeroc> matjeh: whats
 860 2013-11-13 13:12:54 <xeroc> 'jq' doing?
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 894 2013-11-13 13:59:32 <cityding0> Are transactions represented in their HEX? or as their sha hash?
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 896 2013-11-13 13:59:41 <cityding0> I just realized a transaction im looking at is in hex
 897 2013-11-13 13:59:53 <kjj> yes
 898 2013-11-13 14:00:20 <gingpark> anyone here use minepeon on rpi , cgminer?
 899 2013-11-13 14:01:50 <sipa> cityding0: txids are usually represented as hex encoded, as are transactions themself
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 901 2013-11-13 14:02:05 <sipa> but transactions and transaction ids are not the same...
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 903 2013-11-13 14:02:25 <cityding0> the transaction id is the hash of the transaction isnt it ?
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 905 2013-11-13 14:02:41 <sipa> yes
 906 2013-11-13 14:02:47 <sipa> double sha256 hash
 907 2013-11-13 14:03:28 <jgarzik> until confirmed, transactions are sometimes malleable (and change ids)
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 909 2013-11-13 14:04:13 <cityding0> why is that? whati nformation would change between confirmations
 910 2013-11-13 14:04:18 <sipa> whether that's a different representation of the same transaction, or a different transaction with the same effect is a philophical discussion :)
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 912 2013-11-13 14:04:44 <sipa> i consider malleability a problem, and doing so a vulnerability
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 915 2013-11-13 14:04:56 <sipa> eh, an attack
 916 2013-11-13 14:05:02 <kjj> the portions of the transaction that are signed are not exactly the same as the portions that are hashed to make the id
 917 2013-11-13 14:05:13 <sipa> ^
 918 2013-11-13 14:05:56 <kjj> so you can change some parts without breaking the signature, but once in a block, only the version that is listed in the block is "real"
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 920 2013-11-13 14:08:39 <cityding0> I see, so for example the input of a transaction that contains a signature (verifying that you are authorised to make the payment) - it may not be included in the hash of a transaction?
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 923 2013-11-13 14:10:10 <matjeh> xeroc: "bitcoind getblock" outputs in JSON format, "jq .time" parses the JSON and returns the value for the "time" key
 924 2013-11-13 14:10:30 <matjeh> more robust than grep/etc
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 934 2013-11-13 14:13:45 <cityding0> but then... is it a vulnerability? if its the signature for the previous hash - then it cant really change anyway (although it could)
 935 2013-11-13 14:14:09 <kjj> it isn't exactly like you are thinking
 936 2013-11-13 14:14:30 <kjj> we are pretty sure we shouldn't allow it, but so far no one has figured out how to do an attack with it
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 943 2013-11-13 14:18:58 <cityding0> ok so my understanding is - you get the input and output of the transaction, concantate them together, and double sha hash them. the input includes: (previous hash, index, scriptsig) and this is repeated for each input, and then the output is (value, scriptPubKey) and this is repeated for each output
 944 2013-11-13 14:19:20 <cityding0> and i assume the script itself is part of the hash (the commands op_dup etc)
 945 2013-11-13 14:19:43 <cityding0> so the part that can change is the scriptSig ?
 946 2013-11-13 14:19:57 <cityding0> without affecting the hash
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 950 2013-11-13 14:20:51 <xeroc> matjeh: thanks .. gonna try find that tool ..
 951 2013-11-13 14:21:07 <kezu> is there a command to provide a btc address to bitcoind and get back its balance?
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 953 2013-11-13 14:21:36 <kjj> there is no balance
 954 2013-11-13 14:22:24 <kezu> what is the term?
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 956 2013-11-13 14:23:51 <kjj> and no, there isn't anything that does that in the reference client
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 963 2013-11-13 14:25:43 <kezu> can some one in terms explain how blockchain.info gets a wallets 'balance'?
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 965 2013-11-13 14:26:06 <kezu> and if i can get a wallets 'balance' running a node
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 967 2013-11-13 14:26:24 <kezu> in noob*^ terms
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 971 2013-11-13 14:29:54 <kjj> they look at every transaction in every block and add up the ones that can be redeemed by a given key and that haven't already been redeemed
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 979 2013-11-13 14:34:59 <arioBarzan> kezu: I use an abandoned version of bitcoind which you could find its source code at https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2121 and then compile it for yourself, to add addresses as watch-only.
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 981 2013-11-13 14:37:08 <arioBarzan> kezu: it works for only single key addresses (not pay-to-script-hash ones like escrows and multisignature). for p2sh you could try sipa's code at https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2861
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 984 2013-11-13 14:39:02 <kezu> arioBarzan: thanks for the pointersd im pretty new to bitcoin back end stuff so i have to read up to understand what you mean
 985 2013-11-13 14:39:38 <kezu> i just need a way to read an addresses balance without relying on blockchain.info
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 987 2013-11-13 14:40:31 <cityding0> i imagine u would need some database to do that
 988 2013-11-13 14:40:45 <cityding0> from my naive knowledge - you need to go through the blockchain and record every transaction that has happened
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 991 2013-11-13 14:41:01 <cityding0> and update each address accordingly
 992 2013-11-13 14:41:11 <arioBarzan> kezu: you could try btclook.com
 993 2013-11-13 14:41:21 <cityding0> its a massive linked-list so if you want to query it you would need to iterate over it
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 997 2013-11-13 14:43:33 <kezu> ok im trying not to have to rely on other services
 998 2013-11-13 14:43:37 <kezu> that are centralized
 999 2013-11-13 14:43:58 <arioBarzan> kezu: for e.g you could check balance from either of http://btclook.com/addr/12c6DSiU4Rq3P4ZxziKxzrL5LmMBrzjrJX https://coinbase.com/network/addresses/12c6DSiU4Rq3P4ZxziKxzrL5LmMBrzjrJX http://blockexplorer.com/address/12c6DSiU4Rq3P4ZxziKxzrL5LmMBrzjrJX http://blockchain.info/address/12c6DSiU4Rq3P4ZxziKxzrL5LmMBrzjrJX
1000 2013-11-13 14:43:59 <kezu> i wonder how big of as database i would have to cook up to do this
1001 2013-11-13 14:44:21 <cityding0> i dunno it depends
1002 2013-11-13 14:44:30 <cityding0> i imagine - if you are only interested in a small set of addresses
1003 2013-11-13 14:44:37 <cityding0> you could just iterate over it for those addresses
1004 2013-11-13 14:44:41 <cityding0> not sure how long the look up would take
1005 2013-11-13 14:45:00 <cityding0> i could be wrong - but thats how i imagine it works
1006 2013-11-13 14:46:19 <kjj> if the key is made in the future, you can do it easily by scanning only new blocks
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1008 2013-11-13 14:46:51 <cityding0> yeah and that would be very quick
1009 2013-11-13 14:47:00 <cityding0> cuz your not verifying them... just looking for them
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1013 2013-11-13 14:51:20 <arioBarzan> kezu: if you want to not rely on other services, as I said (unfortunately somewhat in complex words) you could run a modified version of bitcoin software which would the thing you are looking for.
1014 2013-11-13 14:52:21 <kezu> ario i will look into your suggestion also im just trying to understand how it all works at the moment so ill know what im doing
1015 2013-11-13 14:52:29 <kezu> :) i value youre suggestion
1016 2013-11-13 14:52:34 <kezu> your*
1017 2013-11-13 14:52:55 <kjj> offtopic: the friction preventing arbitrage is really annoying me
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1019 2013-11-13 14:54:39 <kezu> you mean getting into and out of ezchanges kjj?
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1021 2013-11-13 14:55:57 <kezu> exchanges*
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1024 2013-11-13 14:59:34 <kjj> yeah.  it is irritating to see a $60+ dollar spread
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1033 2013-11-13 15:09:12 <JimJones> anyone knows if its possible to limit the bandwidth on bitcoind?
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1036 2013-11-13 15:09:59 <kjj> internally?  no.
1037 2013-11-13 15:11:31 <JimJones> kjj, what you mean internally?
1038 2013-11-13 15:13:09 <kjj> I mean you can certainly use, for example, the netfilter and the linux traffic shaper to adjust things, but there is no config option for bitcoind that does it for you
1039 2013-11-13 15:13:19 <sipa> use -nolisten
1040 2013-11-13 15:14:00 <kjj> see extensive discussion here:  https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/273
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1042 2013-11-13 15:14:39 <JimJones> thanks
1043 2013-11-13 15:14:49 <kezu> how much does bitcoind use anyway?
1044 2013-11-13 15:15:04 <kezu> bandwidth
1045 2013-11-13 15:15:05 <kjj> it varies
1046 2013-11-13 15:15:12 <kezu> s there a max?
1047 2013-11-13 15:15:15 <kezu> is*
1048 2013-11-13 15:15:23 <kjj> if you use -nolisten, like sipa said, it uses very little
1049 2013-11-13 15:16:27 <kjj> if you are connectable, you'll occasionally send gigs out to bootstrapping new nodes
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1051 2013-11-13 15:16:37 <JimJones> right now im using average 900k-1.4m /s of upload
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1053 2013-11-13 15:16:47 <JimJones> connected to 41 peers
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1055 2013-11-13 15:17:05 <JimJones> yep connectable lol
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1061 2013-11-13 15:20:24 <cityding0> and when u have a crap connection like me
1062 2013-11-13 15:20:31 <cityding0> it takes days to set up ahh
1063 2013-11-13 15:20:41 <cityding0> setting up on new laptop and it is taking forever
1064 2013-11-13 15:21:45 <kezu> i downloaded the bootstrap.dat torrent
1065 2013-11-13 15:21:53 <kezu> sped things up
1066 2013-11-13 15:22:03 <JimJones> kjj, can you tell me what -nolisten will do?
1067 2013-11-13 15:23:06 <kjj> it tells your node not to accept new incoming connections
1068 2013-11-13 15:23:29 <kjj> when a new node starts up, it connects out to a node that accepts connections, then it downloads the blockchain from the first one it connects to
1069 2013-11-13 15:23:53 <kjj> by not accepting new connections, you avoid having to transfer gigs up to new nodes
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1085 2013-11-13 15:32:07 <kezu> kjj will your node still get updated?
1086 2013-11-13 15:32:19 <kezu> from the network ?
1087 2013-11-13 15:32:44 <kezu> is there a no listen config option?
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1113 2013-11-13 16:12:19 <kjj> kezu: you will still connect out to other nodes, you just won't accept incoming connections
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1115 2013-11-13 16:13:24 <kezu> is there a list of all config options? is there a nolisten config option?
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1146 2013-11-13 16:49:18 <amiller> bitcoin research workshop deadline is in 11 days http://fc14.ifca.ai/bitcoin/cfp.html
1147 2013-11-13 16:49:36 <amiller> it's a workshop cohosted with Financial Cryptography, a ~15 year old academic conference
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1163 2013-11-13 17:12:04 <devrandom> TD: how does the bloom filter work with p2sh?  does it take the script hash instead of the pubkey hash?
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1165 2013-11-13 17:12:33 <baconfather> can anyone answer a couple basic dev questions?
1166 2013-11-13 17:13:06 <devrandom> baconfather: better to just ask ;)
1167 2013-11-13 17:13:07 <TD> devrandom: the server node matches the filter against every data element in every script. so yes it matches against the script hash
1168 2013-11-13 17:13:42 <devrandom> it matches every data push on stack?
1169 2013-11-13 17:14:34 <devrandom> BitcoinJ doesn't do that, right?  it just adds pubkey and pubkey hash?
1170 2013-11-13 17:15:22 <baconfather> argh being sent out, it'll have to wait, glad i registered though :D
1171 2013-11-13 17:17:11 <TD> bitcoinj wallet code does not support P2SH so yes, it adds only keys and key hashes
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1173 2013-11-13 17:18:41 <devrandom> OK
1174 2013-11-13 17:18:43 <devrandom> will work on this today
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1184 2013-11-13 17:21:52 <TD> devrandom: work on what?
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1186 2013-11-13 17:22:17 <shamoon> static CBigNum bnProofOfWorkLimit(~uint256(0) >> 32); - is that diff of 1?
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1211 2013-11-13 17:49:10 <devrandom> TD: on refactoring as you suggested
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1221 2013-11-13 17:54:05 <TD> devrandom: cool
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1224 2013-11-13 17:56:40 <swulf--> gmaxwell: around?
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1233 2013-11-13 18:00:12 <shamoon> to make it WAY easier, couldn't I just do static CBigNum bnProofOfWorkLimit(~uint256(0) >> 4);
1234 2013-11-13 18:00:20 <swulf--> sipa: around?
1235 2013-11-13 18:00:47 <gmaxwell> swulf--: kinda.
1236 2013-11-13 18:01:30 <swulf--> gmaxwell: I just pushed bip32 support into that website I showed you a few days ago. It's surely got a madly designed UI but I was able to successfully receive and spend coins using it.  Perhaps you'd take a look when you find time?
1237 2013-11-13 18:01:36 <swulf--> s/madly/badly
1238 2013-11-13 18:02:19 <gmaxwell> URL again.
1239 2013-11-13 18:02:32 <swulf--> http://ms-brainwallet.github.io/
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1241 2013-11-13 18:03:34 <gmaxwell> swulf--: why not make your package just a comma seperated copy of the extended pubkeys instead of hex?
1242 2013-11-13 18:03:45 <swulf--> hmm
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1244 2013-11-13 18:03:54 <swulf--> Could do that
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1246 2013-11-13 18:04:24 <swulf--> I wanted the package to look significantly different than the keys
1247 2013-11-13 18:05:00 <gmaxwell> swulf--: it's a little kludgy that you adjust an index, click a button, and get directed to the next page.   Can you add testnet support?
1248 2013-11-13 18:05:25 <swulf--> testnet is a possibility
1249 2013-11-13 18:05:40 <swulf--> Shouldn't be crazy hard, just change some version bytes here and there
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1251 2013-11-13 18:05:58 <gmaxwell> yea, it's trivial, and people really should be encouraged to test this stuff using testnet.
1252 2013-11-13 18:06:16 <swulf--> (and probably have mainnet disabled until its been tested thoroughly)
1253 2013-11-13 18:06:52 <gmaxwell> It would be neat if you could give it an index range and then get out a single page with the package at the top, and then a table which has the p2sh addresses for each index.
1254 2013-11-13 18:07:04 <BlueMattBot> Project Bitcoin build #455: FAILURE in 42 min: http://jenkins.bluematt.me/job/Bitcoin/455/
1255 2013-11-13 18:07:11 <swulf--> cool idea
1256 2013-11-13 18:08:03 <gmaxwell> swulf--: perhaps a spend page that takes the package and an address and it finds the right index and computes a spending txn.
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1258 2013-11-13 18:08:33 <swulf--> that would be quite computationally expensive, especially in a browser
1259 2013-11-13 18:08:39 <swulf--> if the index was, say, >10000
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1261 2013-11-13 18:08:58 <gmaxwell> swulf--: sure, if— "don't do that" it could have fields for starting index and maximum to search.
1262 2013-11-13 18:09:16 <swulf--> ah, yeah
1263 2013-11-13 18:09:16 <gmaxwell> searching a thousand or two is no biggie.
1264 2013-11-13 18:09:55 <swulf--> the spend page requires the private keys, which i don't have a package for (they're not really ever supposed to be stored together anyway)
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1269 2013-11-13 18:11:48 <gmaxwell> swulf--: fair enough, then I suppose there should be one which can take extended private keys and either an index OR the p2sh address (and it tries to find the index)
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1271 2013-11-13 18:12:20 <swulf--> so i wonder if "find the index" can just be done on the bip32 page
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1273 2013-11-13 18:12:54 <swulf--> you can enter the pubkey package or a set of private keys, click "search for address" and fill out the parameters?
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1276 2013-11-13 18:13:45 <swulf--> i guess it would be nice to just forget the chain index
1277 2013-11-13 18:14:33 <gmaxwell> swulf--: I'm just just thinking about workflow.  Logically what I'd want to use is a seperated createrawtransaction which has blockchain access and can fill out the inputs for you, and produces a signing request... and an offline signing tool to sign the signing requests.
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1280 2013-11-13 18:14:45 <gmaxwell> swulf--: and yea, you don't want to force the user to remember the index.
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1283 2013-11-13 18:15:45 <swulf--> I think the workflow sounds great, but what about people who don't want to use bitcoind?  It's nice not to be coupled to that
1284 2013-11-13 18:15:54 <gmaxwell> also for multisig, it probably makes sense to always sort by pubkey instead of putting the pubkeys in a particular order. This reduces the amount of information you need to remember to reproduce the redeemscript.
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1286 2013-11-13 18:16:08 <swulf--> oh, great idea
1287 2013-11-13 18:16:40 <gmaxwell> swulf--: who said anything about bitcoind?  I didn't mean the actual createrawtransaction call. E.g. the create thing could still be a webpage or whatever.
1288 2013-11-13 18:16:57 <swulf--> oh, yes. i'd really like to support partially signed transactions
1289 2013-11-13 18:17:02 <swulf--> and the ability to sign one at a time
1290 2013-11-13 18:17:43 <swulf--> doesn't the signature check in bitcoind have to have keys in the same order the redeemscript defined them?
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1292 2013-11-13 18:19:13 <gmaxwell> swulf--: yes. the signatures go in the same order as the matching public keys in the redeemscript.
1293 2013-11-13 18:19:30 <swulf--> wouldn't that be a problem for partially signing transactions?
1294 2013-11-13 18:19:49 <swulf--> or do you have to reorder the scriptSig for each new signature added?
1295 2013-11-13 18:19:50 <gmaxwell> swulf--: no, why would it be? The scriptsig is not under the signature.
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1297 2013-11-13 18:20:26 <gmaxwell> just make the initial one with OP_0 placeholders in the place of each signature, then you replace the correct one when you sign.
1298 2013-11-13 18:20:51 <swulf--> oh, because you know the index in the redeemscript.
1299 2013-11-13 18:21:01 <gmaxwell> right. the pubkeys are right there. :)
1300 2013-11-13 18:22:03 <swulf--> thanks for the feedback
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1322 2013-11-13 18:56:22 <bitnumus> hey, i've compiled and installed berkeleyDB but getting this error on compiling bitcoinsd, any ideas ?  > db.h:14:20: fatal error: db_cxx.h: No such file or directory
1323 2013-11-13 18:57:33 <kjj> run ldconfig
1324 2013-11-13 18:57:54 <kjj> if that doesn't work, you may need to specify the path to your BDB install
1325 2013-11-13 18:58:37 <bitnumus> i'll give that a whirl, takes a little while to find out if it'll work in RPI :P
1326 2013-11-13 18:58:49 <bitnumus> how do i specify the path during make ?
1327 2013-11-13 19:00:21 <kjj> BDB_INCLUDE_PATH=/blah/ make ...
1328 2013-11-13 19:00:24 <bitnumus> ah in makefile.unix ?
1329 2013-11-13 19:00:59 <bitnumus> BDB_LIB_PATH
1330 2013-11-13 19:01:32 <kjj> compiling on/for the PI may be a bit strange, and I've never done it.  If I say anything that disagrees with what the guides say, keep that in mind
1331 2013-11-13 19:02:20 <kjj> you may need to set both BDB_INCLUDE_PATH and BDB_LIB_PATH.  when the compiler can't find a .h file, it is include.  when the linker can't find a .so or .a file, it is lib
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1336 2013-11-13 19:08:19 <bitnumus> kjj, i've only compiled BerkeleyDB.4.8
1337 2013-11-13 19:08:30 <bitnumus> is BDB++ totally different?
1338 2013-11-13 19:10:20 <kjj> BDB = BerkeleyDB
1339 2013-11-13 19:10:36 <kjj> oh, BDB++?  Never heard of it
1340 2013-11-13 19:10:44 <sipa> BDB++ is the C++ wrapper around BDB
1341 2013-11-13 19:10:52 <sipa> as bitcoin is C++, it needs that
1342 2013-11-13 19:10:52 <kjj> that makes sense
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1344 2013-11-13 19:11:54 <kjj> there are extensive guides to building bitcoind on the pi.  are you following one of them?
1345 2013-11-13 19:12:43 <Apocalyptic> is there somewhere I can get the format specifications of the wallet.dat file ?
1346 2013-11-13 19:13:06 <sipa> Apocalyptic: you mean the BDB format, or the key=value pairs we store in it?
1347 2013-11-13 19:13:20 <Apocalyptic> both I guess
1348 2013-11-13 19:13:32 <sipa> the first: you'll go crazy; it's impossible
1349 2013-11-13 19:13:49 <sipa> the second: read walletdb.cpp
1350 2013-11-13 19:14:13 <Apocalyptic> i took a look at it yeah
1351 2013-11-13 19:14:18 <sipa> (even the BDB people themself cannot replicate the BDB format spec, there is a BDBjava project which uses a _different_ file format)
1352 2013-11-13 19:14:35 <kjj> heh
1353 2013-11-13 19:14:57 <sipa> that's because afaik BDB files are really just mmap'ed C data structures
1354 2013-11-13 19:15:45 <Apocalyptic> isn't that an issue for portability ?
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1356 2013-11-13 19:16:09 <kjj> nah
1357 2013-11-13 19:16:13 <kjj> well, maybe a little
1358 2013-11-13 19:16:17 <phantomcircuit> Apocalyptic, only if you want to use bigendian machines
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1361 2013-11-13 19:18:03 <kjj> the world of computing seems to follow a strict "conservation of stupid" law.  if you use a machine with a sane bit/byte order, something else has to be made worse to keep things balanced.
1362 2013-11-13 19:18:56 <bitnumus> <kjj> there are extensive guides to building bitcoind on the pi.  are you following one of them?   <  where?
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1364 2013-11-13 19:19:45 <bitnumus> i might be winning though, seems db_cxx.h  was in a different DIR
1365 2013-11-13 19:19:52 <bitnumus> got it linked and think its passed that point
1366 2013-11-13 19:20:49 <kjj> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=bitcoin+raspberry+pi
1367 2013-11-13 19:20:50 <phantomcircuit> bitnumus, what version are you trying to build?
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1369 2013-11-13 19:21:12 <phantomcircuit> sipa, does the last release use autotools
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1371 2013-11-13 19:21:45 <phantomcircuit> bitnumus, CPATH="/usr/include" make -f makefile.unix
1372 2013-11-13 19:21:54 <phantomcircuit> er
1373 2013-11-13 19:22:14 <phantomcircuit> replace /usr/include with the path to db_cxx.h
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1375 2013-11-13 19:23:20 <bitnumus> yea looks like its working
1376 2013-11-13 19:23:23 <bitnumus> building 0.8.5
1377 2013-11-13 19:23:48 <phantomcircuit> bitnumus, neat you'll be done in only a few 100s of minutes
1378 2013-11-13 19:24:00 <bitnumus> ikr
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1383 2013-11-13 19:29:08 <sipa> phantomcircuit: 0.8.5 does not, only git head
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1389 2013-11-13 19:32:28 <shamoon> if i want to make initial mining easier, can I just change to: static CBigNum bnProofOfWorkLimit(~uint256(0) >> 4);
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1391 2013-11-13 19:36:23 <kjj> if you are tinkering with the difficulty for an altcoin, you should read up on the target polynomial
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1394 2013-11-13 19:38:18 <beethoven8201> Could a feature be added so that after syncing up with recent transactions, bitcoin-qt allows you to begin trading (electum style), but is in "insecure" mode until the whole blockchain is synced?
1395 2013-11-13 19:38:49 <beethoven8201> this might encourage more people to use -qt
1396 2013-11-13 19:39:35 <sipa> yes, that'd be very nice
1397 2013-11-13 19:39:44 <sipa> but we're far from the point where that is possible
1398 2013-11-13 19:39:51 <sipa> technically
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1400 2013-11-13 19:40:45 <beethoven8201> ok so I guess this is "hard"
1401 2013-11-13 19:40:47 <beethoven8201> heh
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1404 2013-11-13 19:41:42 <MC1984> headers first moves towards that i think
1405 2013-11-13 19:42:43 <sipa> indeed
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1407 2013-11-13 19:44:58 <beethoven8201> headers, MC1984 ?
1408 2013-11-13 19:46:08 <MC1984> block headers first like an SPV client
1409 2013-11-13 19:46:18 <MC1984> then fill in the chain later
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1412 2013-11-13 19:48:02 <beethoven8201> yeah
1413 2013-11-13 19:48:13 <beethoven8201> it will need a big redesign to support starting midchain
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1415 2013-11-13 19:48:35 <gmaxwell> beethoven8201: no it won't.
1416 2013-11-13 19:48:37 <devrandom> TD: does this look like what you were thinking?  https://code.google.com/r/c1devrandom-bitcoinj/source/detail?r=7091f448989274438491c69640dac75c2b84f8fa&name=feature_script_watch
1417 2013-11-13 19:49:04 <beethoven8201> gmaxwell: you would know better than me. I've not read the source
1418 2013-11-13 19:49:04 <gmaxwell> beethoven8201: it's not quite "midchain" you fundimentally cannot verify bitcoin with a pure midchange start. But you can SPV first.
1419 2013-11-13 19:49:19 <gmaxwell> er s/midchange/midchain/
1420 2013-11-13 19:49:33 <beethoven8201> yes
1421 2013-11-13 19:49:47 <beethoven8201> so what's the challenge then?
1422 2013-11-13 19:50:46 <gmaxwell> There isn't any difficult challenge. Things just take time.
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1424 2013-11-13 19:51:47 <gmaxwell> _Lots_ of little details. First headers first sync, which is needed for parallel block fetching... then when thats mature, the ability to SPV validate just transactions against the headers.
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1426 2013-11-13 19:52:11 <beethoven8201> gmaxwell: ah
1427 2013-11-13 19:52:13 <beethoven8201> okay
1428 2013-11-13 19:52:15 <beethoven8201> that's not too bad
1429 2013-11-13 19:52:20 <beethoven8201> hopefully it'll be done before there are no nodes
1430 2013-11-13 19:52:51 <gmaxwell> we seem to have gained some nodes in the last week.
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1434 2013-11-13 19:54:28 <MC1984> gmaxwell, how can you tell?
1435 2013-11-13 19:54:50 <BlueMatt> TD: are you looking at 0.11 soon? Id still like to push nonetty in there and can get it ready for another round of review soonish if necessary?
1436 2013-11-13 19:55:03 <phantomcircuit> there are people walking all of the nodes
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1438 2013-11-13 19:55:29 <MC1984> phantomcircuit, is there a site somewhere for it
1439 2013-11-13 19:55:39 <MC1984> i remember one but it fell into disuse
1440 2013-11-13 19:55:45 <phantomcircuit> yeah but i cant remember what it is
1441 2013-11-13 19:55:58 <phantomcircuit> i could turn mine back on and setup a website for it
1442 2013-11-13 19:56:04 <BlueMatt> TD: it appears really stable, just needs tweaking for api tweaks/comments and the existing one or two bugs integrating the new Peer code with PeerGroup
1443 2013-11-13 19:56:12 <phantomcircuit> i actually had one that was logging everything including messages
1444 2013-11-13 19:56:16 <MC1984> phantomcircuit, mite b cool
1445 2013-11-13 19:56:28 <phantomcircuit> but it was using wayyyy too much disk space
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1447 2013-11-13 19:58:24 <gmaxwell> MC1984: crawler results.
1448 2013-11-13 19:59:15 <BlueMatt> ;;seen TD
1449 2013-11-13 19:59:16 <gribble> TD was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 2 hours, 5 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <TD> devrandom: cool
1450 2013-11-13 20:01:08 <phantomcircuit> i should look into what it would cost to do that with some cloud nonsense actually
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1453 2013-11-13 20:02:43 <sipa> gmaxwell: i have around 4400 well-reachable nodes
1454 2013-11-13 20:03:15 <phantomcircuit> that's like 400 more
1455 2013-11-13 20:03:34 <sipa> i should put this in graphs
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1475 2013-11-13 20:22:30 <MC1984> what do you feel would be a good number
1476 2013-11-13 20:22:51 <MC1984> before distributed resilience really kicks in
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1478 2013-11-13 20:23:00 <MC1984> ive always said 100,000
1479 2013-11-13 20:23:16 <MC1984> kind of pulled from my ass though
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1481 2013-11-13 20:26:31 <devrandom> BlueMatt: if you have time for an initial review, I redid the watch feature based on TD's feedback - https://code.google.com/r/c1devrandom-bitcoinj/source/detail?r=7091f448989274438491c69640dac75c2b84f8fa&name=feature_script_watch#
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1483 2013-11-13 20:27:05 <BlueMatt> TD: Im assuming you missed that scrollback, then?
1484 2013-11-13 20:28:05 <TD> i saw it
1485 2013-11-13 20:28:07 <TD> i'm cooking that's all
1486 2013-11-13 20:28:13 <TD> i have no plans to do a 0.11 any time soon
1487 2013-11-13 20:28:23 <TD> so there's plenty of time to get nonetty in
1488 2013-11-13 20:28:31 <TD> i want at least the payment protocol implementation
1489 2013-11-13 20:29:19 <BlueMatt> ok, I just wanted to make sure given your mail this morning
1490 2013-11-13 20:29:22 <TD> i also keep trying to make time to start on deterministic wallets
1491 2013-11-13 20:29:30 <TD> but then other stuff keeps coming up
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1494 2013-11-13 20:30:44 <TD> i try to announce API changes in master as I make them, it's not indicative of an upcoming release
1495 2013-11-13 20:30:47 <TD> (of course mostly i forget)
1496 2013-11-13 20:31:39 <BlueMatt> ok
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1500 2013-11-13 20:34:37 <TD> BlueMatt: so will i see another nonetty review req in the coming weeks? :)
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1502 2013-11-13 20:34:46 <BlueMatt> ehhhh....
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1504 2013-11-13 20:35:01 <BlueMatt> my "current project" list is a rotating list of like 10 thing, so...we'll see
1505 2013-11-13 20:35:03 <TD> heh
1506 2013-11-13 20:35:04 <TD> yeah
1507 2013-11-13 20:35:19 <TD> once it's merged i'd like to maybe add a bit of code to peergroup to make it check if there's a SOCKS proxy on the normal tor ports
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1510 2013-11-13 20:35:33 <TD> and then have a setTorEnabled() method that would make it use that instead of regular network
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1512 2013-11-13 20:35:43 <TD> although i'm not sure tor without nodes-as-hidden-services support is really a good thing
1513 2013-11-13 20:36:28 <BlueMatt> well you could just set a socks proxy using regular java system properties stuff, no?
1514 2013-11-13 20:36:32 <BlueMatt> why the complication?
1515 2013-11-13 20:36:39 <BlueMatt> (aside from nodes-as-hidden-services)
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1520 2013-11-13 20:40:39 <TD> because most people aren't going to reconfigure their system level proxy to use tor given the transient nature of its usage
1521 2013-11-13 20:40:50 <TD> and besides, often routing random apps via tor doesn't make sense anyway
1522 2013-11-13 20:40:56 <TD> it should really be a decision app developers make on their own
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1532 2013-11-13 20:48:55 <BlueMatt> well, if the developer wants to make the decision, can they not call System.setProperty? does that not only apply to the running app?
1533 2013-11-13 20:49:02 <BlueMatt> TD: ie pre-PeerGroup.start
1534 2013-11-13 20:49:49 <TD> different semantics. setTorEnabled would mean 'try and use if available, otherwise use regular networking'
1535 2013-11-13 20:49:59 <TD> if you force the proxy by hand then if tor isn't running, your app just breaks.
1536 2013-11-13 20:50:04 <TD> it's only a small thing. maybe not worth it
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1538 2013-11-13 20:51:18 <BlueMatt> meh, yes when we support hidden services
1539 2013-11-13 20:51:38 <BlueMatt> its a small thing that one should implement with hidden services in one pull ;)
1540 2013-11-13 20:53:22 <edcba> if you want some secure tor thingy you sould have some vm anyway
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1543 2013-11-13 20:54:50 <edcba> so i doubt it's a good idea to care about tor within bitcoin
1544 2013-11-13 20:55:15 <gmaxwell> edcba: ...
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1546 2013-11-13 20:55:22 <gmaxwell> edcba: thats very confused.
1547 2013-11-13 20:55:27 <edcba> did i miss something ?
1548 2013-11-13 20:55:42 * edcba reads further into his buffer...
1549 2013-11-13 20:56:00 <topace_> ola, been getting segfaults lately with stock bitcoind 0.8.5 ... just shows in my syslog as:
1550 2013-11-13 20:56:22 <gmaxwell> topace_: whats in the bottom of your debug.log when it goes down?
1551 2013-11-13 20:56:25 <topace_> Nov 13 13:16:40 peanuts kernel: [604450.906816] bitcoind[20750]: segfault at f1000020 ip 0000000000463f1f sp 00007f468fffdc00 error 4 in bitcoind[400000+62e000]
1552 2013-11-13 20:56:29 <edcba> it's about bitcoinj ? :)
1553 2013-11-13 20:56:56 <topace_> last lines of debug.log:
1554 2013-11-13 20:57:31 <topace_> CWalletTx::GetAmounts: Unknown transaction type found, txid ecc9a36effb23405e9c3b0867035ce06d36a80bbf452f3d6ac4fa2af7dde19af
1555 2013-11-13 20:57:32 <topace_> CWalletTx::GetAmounts: Unknown transaction type found, txid ee110ffd1d9ae7147694ce541321d21f060cacf44ed88bebc80c483fd00c5684
1556 2013-11-13 20:57:32 <topace_> CWalletTx::GetAmounts: Unknown transaction type found, txid ee110ffd1d9ae7147694ce541321d21f060cacf44ed88bebc80c483fd00c5684
1557 2013-11-13 20:58:23 <edcba> corrupted wallet ?
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1560 2013-11-13 20:58:55 <sipa> i don't think so
1561 2013-11-13 20:59:22 <edcba> http://blockchain.info/tx/ee110ffd1d9ae7147694ce541321d21f060cacf44ed88bebc80c483fd00c5684 ?
1562 2013-11-13 20:59:26 <edcba> seems good no ?
1563 2013-11-13 20:59:33 <gmaxwell> nah, those are unrelated most likely, they're old p2pool payouts.
1564 2013-11-13 20:59:56 <gmaxwell> topace_: can you pastebin the last 50 lines of your log or so (may identify your transactions or your ip)
1565 2013-11-13 21:00:32 <TD> BlueMatt: fair enough
1566 2013-11-13 21:00:32 <edcba> he is on irc his ip is almost known :)
1567 2013-11-13 21:01:25 <BlueMatt> edcba: yes, but bitcoind does tor?
1568 2013-11-13 21:01:27 <gmaxwell> edcba: where he IRCs from may have nothing to do with where he runs his nodes.
1569 2013-11-13 21:01:55 <gmaxwell> in any case, it's better people not be surprised.
1570 2013-11-13 21:02:04 <edcba> yes the warning was nice
1571 2013-11-13 21:02:52 <TD> devrandom: looks reasonable except that (a) no unit tests, (b) you copy/pasted code so the comments still talk about keys even in addWatchedScripts, (c) no javadocs .... it's going in the right direction though
1572 2013-11-13 21:02:58 <topace_> the output looks normal
1573 2013-11-13 21:03:01 <topace_> then just stops
1574 2013-11-13 21:03:01 <edcba> about tor the problem is dns
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1576 2013-11-13 21:03:21 <BlueMatt> edcba: since when does bitcoin use dns aside from for seeing?
1577 2013-11-13 21:03:27 <BlueMatt> edcba: and bticoind does tor dns magic stuff iirc
1578 2013-11-13 21:03:28 <devrandom> TD: yes, I will polish next... it was just to make sure structure looks good
1579 2013-11-13 21:03:38 <gmaxwell> edcba: Please research some before speaking.
1580 2013-11-13 21:03:46 <TD> i think it seems ok, though i didn't really think things through and it's late ..
1581 2013-11-13 21:03:54 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|BlueMatt: finding the nodes's address, according to the wiki
1582 2013-11-13 21:03:54 <edcba> i mean if your application resolves not through tor it's useless
1583 2013-11-13 21:04:01 <gmaxwell> topace_: a pastbin would still be useful to me.
1584 2013-11-13 21:04:08 <BlueMatt> michagogo|cloud: yes, ie seeding
1585 2013-11-13 21:04:40 <topace_> gmaxwell: the last 100 lines are the same "Unknown transaction type found...." messages
1586 2013-11-13 21:04:44 <topace_> with different txid's
1587 2013-11-13 21:04:45 * michagogo cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wouldn't consider ThreadGetMyExternalIP part of seeding
1588 2013-11-13 21:04:50 <gmaxwell> michagogo|cloud: a seperate method is used to fetch initial peers by bitcoin over tor.
1589 2013-11-13 21:05:07 <topace_> last 1000 are the same
1590 2013-11-13 21:05:12 <topace_> a few rpc calls mixed in
1591 2013-11-13 21:05:18 <gmaxwell> topace_: did it fail when you were doing a listtransactions?
1592 2013-11-13 21:05:35 * michagogo cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|should probably read the conversation and not respond to one random line ("23:00:35 <BlueMatt> edcba: since when...")
1593 2013-11-13 21:05:38 <topace_> its possible, but if it did, i wouldnt know becuase listtransacitons wasnt logged
1594 2013-11-13 21:05:44 <gmaxwell> topace_: any chance you could run bitcoind under valgrind (super slow) and do a listtransactions.
1595 2013-11-13 21:05:55 <topace_> not from this server instance
1596 2013-11-13 21:06:01 <topace_> its a pretty active wallet
1597 2013-11-13 21:06:20 <topace_> already takes 1.5-3 seconds for a simple getbalance request
1598 2013-11-13 21:06:21 <sipa> there was a known problem with extractaddress or so on unrecognized scripta, no?
1599 2013-11-13 21:06:34 <gmaxwell> topace_: can you copy off the wallet to another system and try to reproduce?
1600 2013-11-13 21:06:38 <gmaxwell> sipa: on 0.8.5?
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1602 2013-11-13 21:07:01 <edcba> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140097.0 google knows about your error...
1603 2013-11-13 21:07:08 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|gmaxwell: What method is that?
1604 2013-11-13 21:07:12 <sipa> there was a pull request by luke to fix it, that had been open for months
1605 2013-11-13 21:07:23 <sipa> it seems closed now
1606 2013-11-13 21:07:25 <gmaxwell> edcba: that isn't helpful.
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1608 2013-11-13 21:09:30 <edcba> usually you can abstract errors from same symptoms
1609 2013-11-13 21:09:58 <sipa> gmaxwell: #1850
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1611 2013-11-13 21:10:33 <gmaxwell> edcba: we don't know this this is a symptom. The log messages are expected. (And I have them too, and no crashes).
1612 2013-11-13 21:10:49 <BlueMatt> is "Bitcoin-Qt: ReportInvalidCertificate : Payment server found an invalid certificate:  " expected to happen for what appears to be the full list of certs in my cert lsit?
1613 2013-11-13 21:11:51 <edcba> gmaxwell: ok we need a real stack trace then
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1615 2013-11-13 21:13:33 <edcba> we should ask for the coredump and steal all the money ! :)
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1617 2013-11-13 21:15:04 <edcba> anyway maybe just the compiled bitcoind would be enough where is the segfault located exactly ?
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1619 2013-11-13 21:19:19 <edcba> since start but i guess it's not true anymore :p
1620 2013-11-13 21:19:46 <edcba> relating to : [21:59:33] <BlueMatt> edcba: since when does bitcoin use dns aside from for seeing?
1621 2013-11-13 21:19:59 <edcba> ie connecting to irc to seek peers
1622 2013-11-13 21:20:50 <BlueMatt> we havent connected to irc for peers in...how long?
1623 2013-11-13 21:21:02 <gmaxwell> not since 2011.
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1631 2013-11-13 21:27:29 <edcba> 2 yrs already ? :)
1632 2013-11-13 21:28:28 <edcba> do we support ipv6 already then ?
1633 2013-11-13 21:28:37 <BlueMatt> yes, long ago?
1634 2013-11-13 21:29:58 <edcba> ok 2012...
1635 2013-11-13 21:30:16 <sipa> dns seeding was added in 0.3.24
1636 2013-11-13 21:30:30 <sipa> irc seeding was made off by default in 0.6.0
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1639 2013-11-13 21:30:40 <sipa> irc seeding was removed in 0.8.2
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1642 2013-11-13 21:32:16 <edcba> ok let me look at all current issues...
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1651 2013-11-13 21:39:02 <denisx_> is it known that mavericks does put bitcoin to sleep while it is in the background?
1652 2013-11-13 21:39:49 <sipa> yes
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1654 2013-11-13 21:40:38 <denisx_> and the workaround is also known?
1655 2013-11-13 21:41:14 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Is there a workaround?
1656 2013-11-13 21:41:56 * michagogo cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|googles
1657 2013-11-13 21:42:22 <Ry4an> http://www.tekrevue.com/tip/disable-app-nap-os-x-mavericks/
1658 2013-11-13 21:42:38 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|denisx_: Select the application, Command-I, tick "prevemtapp nap"
1659 2013-11-13 21:44:09 <denisx_> michagogo|cloud: yes, I know
1660 2013-11-13 21:47:12 <bitnumus> still trying to compile bitcoind on Pi, nearly there i have the binary compiled but i'm getting this when trying to run  >  ./bitcoind: error while loading shared libraries: libdb_cxx-4.8.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
1661 2013-11-13 21:47:45 <denisx_> install bdb 4.8
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1663 2013-11-13 21:49:39 <bitnumus> denisx_, i've compiled from source and built with 4.8
1664 2013-11-13 21:49:58 <bitnumus> where is it looking for libdb_cxx-4.8.so  ?>
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1666 2013-11-13 21:50:57 <bitnumus> that file is in  /usr/local/BerkeleyDB.4.8/lib/,  bitcoind should be finding it as i have  BDB_PATH_DIR set to this
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1670 2013-11-13 21:54:59 <helo> i'd guess the dynamic linker isn't finding it... is /usr/local/Ber[..] referenced in /etc/ld.cache.d/?
1671 2013-11-13 21:55:13 <helo> ld.so.cache.d :/
1672 2013-11-13 21:55:42 * helo frowns... it is /etc/ld.so.conf.d/
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1674 2013-11-13 21:56:18 <bitnumus> # libc default configuration ?
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1676 2013-11-13 21:57:02 <bitnumus> i have these files there >  00-vmcs.conf  arm-linux-gnueabihf.conf  libc.conf
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1678 2013-11-13 21:59:35 <edcba> are there enough tool for merchants to implement bitcoin easily ?
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1680 2013-11-13 22:01:12 <bitnumus> thanks helo
1681 2013-11-13 22:01:46 <midnightmagic> Was Alex Waters ever a core bitcoin developer?
1682 2013-11-13 22:02:12 <midnightmagic> Or was his nickname strongly-enough divorced from his real name that I just don't know the link?
1683 2013-11-13 22:02:19 <sipa> he used to do QA
1684 2013-11-13 22:02:26 <sipa> not really develop
1685 2013-11-13 22:02:46 <midnightmagic> geh.
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1688 2013-11-13 22:03:51 <midnightmagic> wtf man..  Yifu?!
1689 2013-11-13 22:04:39 <sipa> ?
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1691 2013-11-13 22:05:01 <midnightmagic> sipa: The "Coin Validator" people are Waters, Yifu, and some nobody.
1692 2013-11-13 22:05:28 <midnightmagic> wtf does Yifu think he doing in there.
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1704 2013-11-13 22:11:56 <helo> hopefully trying to sabotage it, but doubtful
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1740 2013-11-13 22:57:02 <melvster> can i get the actual merkle tree from a merkle tree hash using bitcoind?
1741 2013-11-13 22:57:11 <sipa> no
1742 2013-11-13 22:57:14 <sipa> it
1743 2013-11-13 22:57:26 <sipa> it's computing using hashes, which are unidirectional
1744 2013-11-13 22:57:34 <melvster> sipa: how does block explorer do it then?
1745 2013-11-13 22:57:40 <melvster> i mean using bitcoind itself
1746 2013-11-13 22:57:47 <melvster> i dont mind calling the rpc
1747 2013-11-13 22:57:51 <sipa> you look at the actual block
1748 2013-11-13 22:58:00 <sipa> that's how the merkle root is computed
1749 2013-11-13 22:58:07 <sipa> oooh
1750 2013-11-13 22:58:08 <sipa> i misread
1751 2013-11-13 22:58:13 <melvster> sipa: oh, so i can can get the whole block plus transactions?
1752 2013-11-13 22:58:20 <melvster> im used to only getting block headers
1753 2013-11-13 22:58:23 <sipa> getblock will give you all txids
1754 2013-11-13 22:58:32 <sipa> that's all you need
1755 2013-11-13 22:58:38 <melvster> sipa: awesome thanks
1756 2013-11-13 22:58:59 <sipa> what were you using if not getblock...?
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1758 2013-11-13 22:59:36 <melvster> sipa: lol I had put them all in a mysql database because i didnt have a disk big enough to run bitcoind
1759 2013-11-13 22:59:48 <melvster> sipa: but I bought 50gb of disk today
1760 2013-11-13 22:59:57 <sipa> 50 gb?
1761 2013-11-13 23:00:03 <sipa> i forgot to count that low...
1762 2013-11-13 23:00:10 <melvster> gonna cost me $5 per month, but at least I can now store the whole block chain
1763 2013-11-13 23:00:11 <melvster> lol
1764 2013-11-13 23:00:38 <melvster> id been switching between my local host and a virtual server before
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1766 2013-11-13 23:00:46 <melvster> but now ill just use bitcoind
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1768 2013-11-13 23:01:16 <melvster> my block explorer will be a bit like ABE but in js and with semantic web annotation added
1769 2013-11-13 23:01:33 <melvster> i think i should easily have space for the test net and satoshi's chain
1770 2013-11-13 23:01:46 <melvster> each of the test nets i guess
1771 2013-11-13 23:01:55 <sipa> well if you want a blockexplorer-like site, you'll need a ton more storage than just the chain
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1774 2013-11-13 23:02:07 <melvster> sipa: what else do i need?
1775 2013-11-13 23:02:27 <sipa> indexes for transactions & addresses
1776 2013-11-13 23:02:29 <sipa> those are huge
1777 2013-11-13 23:02:48 <melvster> true ... but 50gb should be OK?
1778 2013-11-13 23:03:09 <sipa> (you can do it efficiently in just a few GiB, but if you do things like ABE and put everything in MySQL, it may be a ton more)
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1780 2013-11-13 23:03:28 <melvster> sipa: yeah im not going to bother much with mysql, just use the compact DB
1781 2013-11-13 23:03:28 <ahf> a ton worth of disk space is a lot these days :-P
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1783 2013-11-13 23:03:44 <sipa> what compact DB?
1784 2013-11-13 23:03:45 <melvster> i may store block headers and things like height, but notmuch more
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1786 2013-11-13 23:03:58 <melvster> sipa: what i mean is the DB that's already in .bitcoin
1787 2013-11-13 23:04:04 <sipa> oh, so no address view?
1788 2013-11-13 23:04:12 <sipa> like overblock?
1789 2013-11-13 23:04:15 <melvster> just have bitcoin --daemon running then make calls to it
1790 2013-11-13 23:04:32 <melvster> sipa: address view will come after I do the headers, the merkle tree, and the tx
1791 2013-11-13 23:04:34 <sipa> https://github.com/realazthat/overblock   <-- blockexplorer site that runs off bitcoind
1792 2013-11-13 23:04:46 <melvster> right now ive done headers, doing merkle now, then tx
1793 2013-11-13 23:04:47 <sipa> melvster: then you need an address-based index
1794 2013-11-13 23:04:53 <melvster> sipa: thanks!
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1796 2013-11-13 23:05:25 <melvster> ooh that's nice
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1800 2013-11-13 23:05:40 <melvster> im more or less translating that to JS using justmoon's bitcoinjs
1801 2013-11-13 23:05:57 <melvster> ill also verify scripts, tx, hashes, merkle tree, and blocks
1802 2013-11-13 23:06:13 <melvster> and show raw output for debugging
1803 2013-11-13 23:06:15 <sipa> why?
1804 2013-11-13 23:06:45 <melvster> sipa: because I want to mark up the block chain using the semantic web
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1807 2013-11-13 23:06:54 <melvster> no other explorer does that
1808 2013-11-13 23:06:56 <sipa> that does not mean you have to verify :)
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1810 2013-11-13 23:07:05 <sipa> what you get from bitcoind is already verified
1811 2013-11-13 23:07:20 <melvster> sipa: true, but it's a good exercise imho
1812 2013-11-13 23:07:33 <sipa> the best case is that you always have the same outcome, and nobody ever notices your feature
1813 2013-11-13 23:07:45 <sipa> the worst case is that it sometimes differs, and people see it's buggy
1814 2013-11-13 23:08:06 <melvster> well if the verification rules are in the object, you can do things like write a web miner
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1816 2013-11-13 23:08:19 <sipa> lol
1817 2013-11-13 23:08:37 <melvster> isn't really a huge overhead for me
1818 2013-11-13 23:08:38 <sipa> that'd be the uttermost inefficient way to do mining possible, i ugess :)
1819 2013-11-13 23:08:56 <sipa> script verification is pretty bad to reimplement
1820 2013-11-13 23:08:58 <melvster> sipa: yeah I agree, but browsers are convenient
1821 2013-11-13 23:09:09 <sipa> i don't see the point
1822 2013-11-13 23:09:30 <melvster> sipa: dont see the point of verification or dont see the point of using the browser?
1823 2013-11-13 23:09:38 <sipa> of verification
1824 2013-11-13 23:09:54 <sipa> you can't do complete verification anyway
1825 2013-11-13 23:10:03 <sipa> unless you maintain a full UTXO set in the browser
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1827 2013-11-13 23:10:24 <sipa> sorry, i'm grumpy, i'll go to bed :)
1828 2013-11-13 23:10:37 <melvster> sipa: surely i only need the uxto for the transactions im verifying?
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1830 2013-11-13 23:10:51 <sipa> where do you get it?
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1832 2013-11-13 23:11:21 <melvster> sipa: hehe ... dont be sorry ... i always learn from what you tell me ... I could make a json call to get the uxto i'm interested in I guess ... OR just skip it
1833 2013-11-13 23:11:29 <melvster> then it's not full validation as you say
1834 2013-11-13 23:11:47 <sipa> my point is this: if you're not maintaining the UTXO set yourself, you're not fully validating everything
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1836 2013-11-13 23:11:58 <sipa> if you don't, you trusting bitcoind anyway to do some validation for you
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1838 2013-11-13 23:12:09 <sipa> why bother trying to replicate part of it then
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1840 2013-11-13 23:12:42 <sipa> anyway, ignore me
1841 2013-11-13 23:12:44 <melvster> sipa: yes you're absolutely right, but it's just design around concepts of modularity, and loose coupling,
1842 2013-11-13 23:12:45 * sipa zZzZ
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1845 2013-11-13 23:13:23 <melvster> thanks for the overblock pointer!
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1849 2013-11-13 23:17:29 <danneu> melvster: are there any script verification implementations in js?
1850 2013-11-13 23:18:00 <melvster> danneu: hmm im not sure ... maybe a little bit in justmoon's let me check
1851 2013-11-13 23:18:34 <melvster> i think bitcoinjs only  verifies two types
1852 2013-11-13 23:18:41 <melvster> then says unknown for others
1853 2013-11-13 23:19:21 <melvster> danneu: https://github.com/bitcoinjs/bitcoinjs-lib/blob/master/src/script.js#L293
1854 2013-11-13 23:19:28 <melvster> that's about all it does so far
1855 2013-11-13 23:19:33 <melvster> but not too hard to add stuff there
1856 2013-11-13 23:19:48 <melvster> Address / Pubkey / Multisig
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1858 2013-11-13 23:21:10 <B0g4r7> Y'all seen this?  http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2013/11/13/sanitizing-bitcoin-coin-validation/
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1861 2013-11-13 23:23:53 <melvster> B0g4r7: yes ... seems inevitable
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1863 2013-11-13 23:24:17 <licnep> B0g4r7: yep, nothing that special
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1865 2013-11-13 23:25:36 <licnep> i want to make a website that can receive bitcoins and send them, any pointers?
1866 2013-11-13 23:25:57 <licnep> should i run my own bitcoin daemon or use some third party api?
1867 2013-11-13 23:26:11 <licnep> i'm not a fan of using 3rd party stuff
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1869 2013-11-13 23:27:16 <B0g4r7> Pointer 1: Don't store the wallet on the web server.
1870 2013-11-13 23:27:40 <licnep> heh, makes sense
1871 2013-11-13 23:27:41 <melvster> licenep: I would not store the coins on that machine in case it is hacked, you can have another machine that has the keys, hopefully more securely, or use a trezor
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1881 2013-11-13 23:33:56 <B0g4r7> Pointer 2: require manual approval for or at least a delay for abnormally large withdrawl requests.
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1894 2013-11-13 23:43:07 <licnep> B0g4r7: yea
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