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 118 2013-11-17 02:33:54 <danneu> firepacket: there are bip32 implementations enumerated at the bottom of the wiki page you were linked to
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 122 2013-11-17 02:37:11 <PRab> Does bitcoinQT/bitcoind do any throttling of peers?
 123 2013-11-17 02:37:44 <PRab> Especially if it is connected using the --connect command line.
 124 2013-11-17 02:38:31 <danneu> you can spam peers
 125 2013-11-17 02:39:10 <danneu> although i've seen rate-limit messages in debug.log but never explored it
 126 2013-11-17 02:39:19 <PRab> I'm not thinking of spam. I'm thinking of transmitting blocks over the P2P network.
 127 2013-11-17 02:39:30 <PRab> good point, I should check the log.
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 134 2013-11-17 02:44:30 <danneu> i would be surprised if the bandwidth was throttled. i doubt it is since a peer seems to give you an unending budget of data
 135 2013-11-17 02:44:45 <danneu> for instance, i'm pretty sure you can download the full chain from one peer
 136 2013-11-17 02:46:01 <PRab> Thats what I would have thought, but I'm trying to track down some unexpected slowness and wanted to be sure.
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 138 2013-11-17 02:46:21 <danneu> slowness in what metric
 139 2013-11-17 02:46:55 <PRab> I'm trying to get the new btcd implementation caught up to the blockchain.
 140 2013-11-17 02:47:35 <PRab> I've been over on their IRC channel and we haven't been able to pin down anything specific.
 141 2013-11-17 02:55:22 <danneu> i think you can rule out the possibility that nodes are prudent with their uplink
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 152 2013-11-17 03:03:00 <Ryan52> Does the sha256 function used in bitcoin mining still append with a 1 bit and padding or no?
 153 2013-11-17 03:03:39 * Ryan52 found what he believes to a be a broken implementation, but wants to verify he is not misunderstanding the algorithm
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 158 2013-11-17 03:10:28 <matjeh> Ryan52: what do you mean append, and padding? its standard sha256
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 161 2013-11-17 03:14:46 <Ryan52> matjeh: sha256 involves a padding step. As I understand it from the Getwork wiki page, a midstate provided from the network already contains this, and it explains that "if you have a generic SHA256 function you must first reverse the pre-processing" notably "Chop off the SHA-2 padding".
 162 2013-11-17 03:15:48 <Ryan52> matjeh: So in an implementation which does not chop it off, a slightly different implementation of sha256 must be used. But since sha256 is done twice on the hash, the second time it is done (on the results from the original) would still need to do the padding and such, right?
 163 2013-11-17 03:16:04 * Ryan52 is a little flakey on how sha256 works internally, it has been a year or two since he studied that
 164 2013-11-17 03:17:19 <Ryan52> I guess I'm basically wondering, if using the preprocessed data as provided, the first sha256 hash would not execute all of the steps of the sha256, but would the second sha256 invocation need to do the full algorithm?
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 169 2013-11-17 03:19:17 <matjeh> as i understand it, the midstate is the result from hashing the first 64 byte block of the 80 byte header
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 171 2013-11-17 03:19:40 <matjeh> only the second block needs to be changed to iterate the nonce
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 174 2013-11-17 03:23:17 <Ryan52> matjeh: I'm wondering where the Pre-processing steps of the SHA-2 algorithm need to be used, as can be seen here (after table definitions): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHA-2#Pseudocode
 175 2013-11-17 03:24:00 <Ryan52> it appends the bit '1' to the input, then however many bits are needed to get it up to 448bits (modulo 512) before appending the length of the original input
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 177 2013-11-17 03:24:37 <Ryan52> matjeh: so I'm assuming the first sha256 does not need to do that, since midstate comes in preprocessed, but after we obtain the first hash, then it would need to do a full sha256 algorithm for the second hash that includes these steps, right?
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 179 2013-11-17 03:27:16 <Ryan52> I feel like I'm going about this all wrong.. Is there a more specific specification for this than the wiki that I could refer to to avoid asking so many questions? Or is there a good, simple mining implementation that I could use as a reference to study?
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 197 2013-11-17 03:42:18 <justusranvier> Is there an official bitcoind distributed for OSX or just Bitcoin-Qt?
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 200 2013-11-17 03:45:53 <fanquake> justusranvier Just Bitcoin-Qt
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 202 2013-11-17 03:47:29 <justusranvier> That's unfortunate.
 203 2013-11-17 03:48:55 <justusranvier> Is it possible to compile bitcoind on OSX?
 204 2013-11-17 03:50:46 <fanquake> Sure. Do you use HomeBrew or MacPorts?
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 206 2013-11-17 03:51:30 <justusranvier> I don't run OSX. I'm trying offer advice to somebody who wants to use Armory on OS X and thus would be better served by bitcoind than bitcoin-qt
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 210 2013-11-17 03:55:18 <fanquake> Well the question still stands. If they're using home-brew, compilation is as easy as tapping WyseNynja/homebrew-bitcoin and brew install bitcoind
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 213 2013-11-17 03:57:33 <fanquake> It will also depend on wether they're running Mavericks or not, compiling master is currently broken, and I'm pretty sure there are issues building 0.8.5
 214 2013-11-17 03:59:43 <justusranvier> ok
 215 2013-11-17 04:00:00 <phantomcircuit> in general running anything on osx is illadvised
 216 2013-11-17 04:00:04 <phantomcircuit> i mean anything
 217 2013-11-17 04:00:09 <phantomcircuit> like a web browser even
 218 2013-11-17 04:00:14 * phantomcircuit runs away
 219 2013-11-17 04:00:53 <justusranvier> Given what we know about the state of hardware and OS security across the board, in generall running anything, anywhere in ill advised.
 220 2013-11-17 04:01:36 <Emcy> sent from my typewriter
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 222 2013-11-17 04:01:58 <phantomcircuit> lol
 223 2013-11-17 04:02:07 <justusranvier> http://xkcd.com/378/
 224 2013-11-17 04:02:25 <phantomcircuit> justusranvier, no but seriously there is some issue with leveldb on osx which doesn't occur anywhere else and which nobody can figure out
 225 2013-11-17 04:02:36 <phantomcircuit> i suspect it's an issue with os x itself and not leveldb
 226 2013-11-17 04:02:41 <justusranvier> nice
 227 2013-11-17 04:02:54 <Emcy> well mavericks is free
 228 2013-11-17 04:02:59 <Emcy> maybe that will fix it
 229 2013-11-17 04:03:04 <Emcy> if its not hardware
 230 2013-11-17 04:03:10 <phantomcircuit> Emcy, and maybe im a unicorn
 231 2013-11-17 04:03:14 * phantomcircuit checks for a horn
 232 2013-11-17 04:03:37 <Emcy> dude, thats for private time
 233 2013-11-17 04:03:48 <Ryan52> libblkmaker solves all my confusion, Luke-Jr++
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 235 2013-11-17 04:05:11 <warren> fanquake: we have patches to build 0.8.5 on mavericks
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 240 2013-11-17 04:07:29 <fanquake> warren Where abouts? Apparently it will build but won't run.
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 242 2013-11-17 04:09:17 <warren> fanquake: what toolchain?  64bit bitcoind works for us.
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 244 2013-11-17 04:10:20 <fanquake> warren btw, Have you tested with boost 1.55.0 at all yet?
 245 2013-11-17 04:10:56 * fanquake seems to have issues with boost > 1.53.0
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 248 2013-11-17 04:13:54 <warren> fanquake: 1.55 no.  seems our 0.8.x builds are against 1.54
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 417 2013-11-17 09:04:04 <fryx> hey i'm having trouble getting bitcoind to compile
 418 2013-11-17 09:04:17 <fryx> anybody seen this before? configure: error: No working boost sleep implementation found
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 425 2013-11-17 09:19:01 <wumpus> fryx: known issue, see https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/3003
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 427 2013-11-17 09:23:50 <random_cat> re: bitcoin confirmations in the UI -- perhaps "cleared to the nth degree" is the correct phrase
 428 2013-11-17 09:24:31 <random_cat> it suggests levels of clearance
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 434 2013-11-17 09:26:16 <Luke-Jr> random_cat: but doesn't really fix the confusion scamcoins create
 435 2013-11-17 09:27:04 <Luke-Jr> when they define 1 to be weaker than bitcoin's 1
 436 2013-11-17 09:27:17 <Luke-Jr> (and then pass it off as equally secure)
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 438 2013-11-17 09:28:06 <fryx> what's wrong "included in N blocks" ?
 439 2013-11-17 09:28:12 <fryx> what's wrong with*
 440 2013-11-17 09:28:41 <fryx> i think hiding the details of the protocol from the public is not doing anybody any favours..
 441 2013-11-17 09:28:45 <Luke-Jr> fryx: I like it, but some people don't like referring to blocks at the high level
 442 2013-11-17 09:28:45 <wumpus> fryx: that would be clear and concise I suppose
 443 2013-11-17 09:29:00 <Luke-Jr> otoh, I guess as long as it's measured in blocks, that's not really avoidable
 444 2013-11-17 09:29:59 <Luke-Jr> I wonder how i18n will handle it.
 445 2013-11-17 09:30:07 <wumpus> I think the word blocks is sufficiently ingrained now, you need to know about it anyway to understand the block chain sync
 446 2013-11-17 09:30:38 <wumpus> then again you have a point, if don't want to introduce protocol-level words then using "blocks" is a bad idea
 447 2013-11-17 09:30:59 <Luke-Jr> I wonder if there's a good unit to measure it in hashes
 448 2013-11-17 09:31:02 <wumpus> then again, "confirmations" makes even less sense 
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 450 2013-11-17 09:31:19 <wumpus> but the word has been around for a while now and people got used to it
 451 2013-11-17 09:31:52 <wumpus> hashes is even more confusing, and a scamcoin could still "look better" by using a cheaper hash function
 452 2013-11-17 09:32:04 <wumpus> single md5 :PP
 453 2013-11-17 09:32:38 <Luke-Jr> measure in 2^64 hashes = 1 standard proof-of-work?
 454 2013-11-17 09:32:54 <Luke-Jr> (that's about 6 blocks today)
 455 2013-11-17 09:33:54 <Luke-Jr> in any case, I agree "included in N blocks" is a big improvement, if we don't go in some other unit
 456 2013-11-17 09:34:18 <Luke-Jr> while hashes doesn't stop scamcoins from doing fishy stuff, it does expose users to the concept of "some blocks are stronger than others"
 457 2013-11-17 09:34:34 <Luke-Jr> so they can comprehend difficulty increases a little better
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 461 2013-11-17 09:45:05 <random_cat> this is true, Luke-Jr, but there exist analogs in other systems where "degree" (as a synonym for block chain depth in this case) represent different absolute values; consider secret societies or martial arts.  i was thinking from an anglo perspective, but suspect this translates well
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 465 2013-11-17 09:49:48 <sipa> Ryan52: mining code in practice is far from generic sha256 anymore, there are various shortcuts due to preprocessing, known input structure, or not cares about certain parts of the output
 466 2013-11-17 09:50:31 <sipa> PRab: no reate-limiting of blocks, no
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 487 2013-11-17 10:35:57 <BlueMattBot> Yippie, build fixed!
 488 2013-11-17 10:35:57 <BlueMattBot> Project Bitcoin build #461: FIXED in 43 min: http://jenkins.bluematt.me/job/Bitcoin/461/
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 626 2013-11-17 14:45:44 * hno gave up on gay politics discussions in #bitcoin and asks here instead. When was the transition from CPU mining to GPU mining? When did that transition start and when was has most of the network transitioned to GPU mining?
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 628 2013-11-17 14:46:12 <misu_> when offline on a debian live cd, what's a simple way to triple check the pairs (address,private key) that brainwallet and bitaddress generate? pywallet doesn't seem to work offline
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 631 2013-11-17 14:47:04 <benkay> ;;bcstats
 632 2013-11-17 14:47:07 <gribble> Current Blocks: 270143 | Current Difficulty: 5.109297380161518E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 270143 | Next Difficulty In: 0 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 609482679.888 | Estimated Percent Change: 19.28894
 633 2013-11-17 14:47:15 <benkay> ;;tslb
 634 2013-11-17 14:47:17 <gribble> Time since last block: 1 hour, 12 minutes, and 6 seconds
 635 2013-11-17 14:47:49 <sipa> hno: GPU mining was introduced at the end of 2010 iirc
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 637 2013-11-17 14:49:33 <hno> sipa, looking at network data I would guess July 2010.
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 640 2013-11-17 14:50:12 <sipa> hno: no, that was slashdot
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 642 2013-11-17 14:50:55 <sipa> the first public OpenCL miner was in october 2010
 643 2013-11-17 14:51:19 <matjeh> was poclbm the first?
 644 2013-11-17 14:51:38 <sipa> the first open-source one, yes
 645 2013-11-17 14:51:40 <sipa> iirc
 646 2013-11-17 14:53:36 <Ryan52> bitcoin wiki should have a history page... but oh, it does, and it verifies that sipa has a very good memory. :)
 647 2013-11-17 14:54:01 <hno> Ok odd... don't really see GPU mining transition in the network statistics.
 648 2013-11-17 14:54:30 <Ryan52> sipa: thanks for the comment regarding sha256 by the way, I guess I'll have to dig into some more complicated code once I go back to optimize my work. For now I should be focusing on a proof of concept :P
 649 2013-11-17 14:54:39 <sipa> Ryan52: what are you doing?
 650 2013-11-17 14:55:37 <sipa> hno: if you remove that peak caused by the mystery miner in march 11, you can see the GPU rally happen between jan 2011 and jul 2011
 651 2013-11-17 14:56:04 <sipa> note that before GPU mining, bitcoin also had extremely low value
 652 2013-11-17 14:56:15 <sipa> i don't think there was much "professional" CPU mining, ever
 653 2013-11-17 14:56:33 <sipa> so it's not so much a transition, mostly just growth
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 655 2013-11-17 14:57:18 <Ryan52> sipa: javascript mining, the existing code out there seamed rather broken. hamiyoca seamed to steal code from the bitp.it guys (which is a bad start to begin with) and then from there added logical problems such as, the WebGL versions thinks every nonce gives a golden ticket once the first golden ticket is found (they never set a variable back to false, apparently), and doesn't seam to easily support upgrade to getblocktemplate. so I stopped using that
 656 2013-11-17 14:57:35 <sipa> Ryan52: why?
 657 2013-11-17 14:58:51 <Ryan52> sipa: I'm working on a project that includes many computational challenges in JS, and bitcoin is an interesting one to include (despite obviously not being as profitable as some may hope).
 658 2013-11-17 14:59:59 <sipa> ;;genrate 1200
 659 2013-11-17 15:00:00 <gribble> The expected generation output, at 1200.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 609482679.888, is 0.000990164018816 BTC per day and 4.12568341173e-05 BTC per hour.
 660 2013-11-17 15:00:57 <Ryan52> Heh. Making a few pennies is at least a bit more interesting than finding a prime number.
 661 2013-11-17 15:01:11 <Ryan52> sipa: you think it will be impossible to make any profit at all?
 662 2013-11-17 15:01:12 <sipa> Ryan52: a 7990 currently takes over 5 years to repay itself, ignoring electricity costs
 663 2013-11-17 15:01:19 <hno> sipa, thanks.
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 665 2013-11-17 15:01:40 <hno> Ry4an, and ignoring any future growth of the network.
 666 2013-11-17 15:02:31 <Ryan52> sipa: so mining with graphics cards is basically ineffective at this point?
 667 2013-11-17 15:02:48 <hno> Ry4an, yes.
 668 2013-11-17 15:02:55 <sipa> Ryan52: it's not ineffective
 669 2013-11-17 15:03:05 <sipa> Ryan52: but the only effect is burning hardware to death
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 674 2013-11-17 15:03:52 <sipa> unless you pay less than 3 USD cents per kWh of electricity, it costs more in power than it earns you
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 677 2013-11-17 15:04:42 <pjorrit> bitcoin can still go up in the future though
 678 2013-11-17 15:04:52 * Ryan52 remembers when he paid off his new graphics card with a few months of mining.. must have been a very long time ago now. Then again, he does not pay for his own electricity ;)
 679 2013-11-17 15:05:03 <sipa> PRab: and i'm sure the difficulty will go op correspondingly
 680 2013-11-17 15:05:10 <sipa> pjorrit: and i'm sure the difficulty will go op correspondingly
 681 2013-11-17 15:06:14 <pjorrit> in the longterm view your current activities may pay off
 682 2013-11-17 15:06:50 <sipa> that's speculation
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 684 2013-11-17 15:07:00 <sipa> and just buying bitcoins is more profitable in that case
 685 2013-11-17 15:07:15 <pjorrit> it would be
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 687 2013-11-17 15:07:25 <Ryan52> Well, we are interested in good proof of work systems too, and bitcoin mining is pretty widely tested for that.. half of my plan is to push the difficulty down far lower than the target needed to mine a share, and use those results for our own verification purposes.
 688 2013-11-17 15:07:40 <sipa> pjorrit: it's making a loss through mining, and making it up through speculation by not selling it immediately
 689 2013-11-17 15:07:51 <sipa> pjorrit: remove the mining part, and you're better off
 690 2013-11-17 15:08:13 <sipa> Ryan52: use regtest mode
 691 2013-11-17 15:08:57 <sipa> it gives you a bitcoin network with (initial) difficulty 0.00000000023 (=every hash is acceptable)
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 693 2013-11-17 15:10:19 <Ryan52> sipa: nice, thank you for the tip!
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 719 2013-11-17 15:51:52 <signor777> can someone answer me a question?
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 721 2013-11-17 15:52:35 <signor777> if someone was in possession of 51% of the hashrate, could he create only empty blocks, effectively blocking the whole system?
 722 2013-11-17 15:53:06 <signor777> i mean just ignore all transactions and only publish empty blocks
 723 2013-11-17 15:54:58 <xiangfu> signor777: I think so.
 724 2013-11-17 15:55:07 <Anduck> yup
 725 2013-11-17 15:55:12 <wumpus> yes, you can mine and ignore transactions
 726 2013-11-17 15:55:59 <signor777> ok thanks
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 728 2013-11-17 15:56:05 <wumpus> having 51% would not be enough to block the system though, it'd mean on average 1 in 2 blocks would be empty
 729 2013-11-17 15:56:34 <sipa> wumpus: with 51% you can ignore other's blocks
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 731 2013-11-17 15:56:46 <signor777> but couldn't you just ignore blocks from other miners? your chain will ultimately always be the longest one
 732 2013-11-17 15:56:52 <sipa> effectively halving the hashrate, but makig yourself have 100%
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 734 2013-11-17 15:57:04 <xiangfu> sipa: I think it's not that easy to ignore other's blocks.
 735 2013-11-17 15:57:16 <sipa> it is trivial
 736 2013-11-17 15:57:19 <signor777> xiangfu: why not?
 737 2013-11-17 15:57:41 <xiangfu> signor777: because you have 51% not 91%
 738 2013-11-17 15:57:56 <sipa> if you ignore other blocks, you have 100%
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 740 2013-11-17 15:58:11 <sipa> you're still producing the longest chain
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 742 2013-11-17 15:58:12 <xiangfu> yes.
 743 2013-11-17 15:58:28 <signor777> xiangfu: sipa is right. Your chain will always be the longest, even if you ignore other blocks.
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 745 2013-11-17 16:03:50 <gmaxwell> well at merely "51%" you have a substantial risk of falling behind for a long time.
 746 2013-11-17 16:04:06 <sipa> right, you have to know you can win the race
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 775 2013-11-17 16:56:17 <LuckyCharms> How are transactions processed by the network?
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 779 2013-11-17 16:58:49 <sipa> nodes validate them and relay them
 780 2013-11-17 16:58:56 <sipa> miners put them in blocks
 781 2013-11-17 16:59:11 <LuckyCharms> would there be any transactions with out miners?
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 783 2013-11-17 16:59:32 <sipa> yes, but they wouldn't confirm
 784 2013-11-17 16:59:46 <LuckyCharms> So they are processed by the miner, and created by the wallet.
 785 2013-11-17 17:00:03 <sipa> you would not be able to tell which of two conflicting ones was the one to be considered true
 786 2013-11-17 17:00:17 <sipa> miners don't process them any more than other nodes
 787 2013-11-17 17:00:30 <sipa> but you could say that miners vote for them
 788 2013-11-17 17:00:42 <sipa> by putting them in blocks
 789 2013-11-17 17:00:45 <LuckyCharms> Makes sense.
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 792 2013-11-17 17:02:58 <LuckyCharms> so a transaction with out any votes isnt collectivly accepted as a valid tx?
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 794 2013-11-17 17:03:22 <Bkil> Simple explanation, thanks sipa
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 798 2013-11-17 17:08:12 <LuckyCharms> Thank you for your help.
 799 2013-11-17 17:08:37 <LuckyCharms> So much to learn about the system, just when you think you have a grasp on the general concept, the hole gets deeper.
 800 2013-11-17 17:09:03 <sipa> blocks contain a list of transactions, and a reference to a previous block
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 802 2013-11-17 17:09:21 <sipa> that way, blocks form a chain, but there can be several suxj chains
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 804 2013-11-17 17:09:34 <sipa> within one chain however, the order of all transactions is fixed
 805 2013-11-17 17:09:51 <LuckyCharms> and the chain to use is determined by the length correct?
 806 2013-11-17 17:10:10 <sipa> so every chain of blocks represents a potential view on the history
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 808 2013-11-17 17:10:50 <sipa> a block that contains a transaction is said to confirm it
 809 2013-11-17 17:11:15 <sipa> and every block on top of that, implicitly agreeing to the chain it builds upon, is an extra confirmation
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 811 2013-11-17 17:11:52 <sipa> as blocks are difficult to create, and the total amount of work in a chain od blocks is used to determine which chain to use
 812 2013-11-17 17:12:17 <sipa> this means that to revert history, you must redo all the work done since
 813 2013-11-17 17:12:31 <sipa> work being hashong, here
 814 2013-11-17 17:12:34 <sipa> hashing
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 819 2013-11-17 17:17:07 <roconnor> hi sipa
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 821 2013-11-17 17:18:57 <gmaxwell> roconnor: good to see you around
 822 2013-11-17 17:20:31 <sipa> hi there roconnor!
 823 2013-11-17 17:21:30 <LuckyCharms> Thanks alot sipa.
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 826 2013-11-17 17:22:26 <roconnor> gmaxwell: What's up with the price of bitcoin?  I thought it should be almost capped by the cost of bitcoin production.
 827 2013-11-17 17:22:59 <sipa> roconnor: from what i've seen, it's mostly the other way around
 828 2013-11-17 17:23:09 <sipa> mining follows the exchange rate
 829 2013-11-17 17:23:20 <sipa> mining inveatmenta, that is
 830 2013-11-17 17:23:34 <sipa> what drives the exchange rate... i have no clue
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 832 2013-11-17 17:23:39 <roconnor> price rises, spurs mining, difficulty rises.
 833 2013-11-17 17:23:42 <roconnor> intersting
 834 2013-11-17 17:23:45 <sipa> yup
 835 2013-11-17 17:23:58 <sipa> in the days of gpu mining, that was quite visible
 836 2013-11-17 17:24:15 <sipa> iirc someone found the best.correlation between them by using a 3-week delay
 837 2013-11-17 17:24:28 <roconnor> well at least markets are working, even if it is in the opposite way than I expected.
 838 2013-11-17 17:24:34 <sipa> that was how long it took for miners to react to exchange rate changes and buy more hardware
 839 2013-11-17 17:24:41 <gmaxwell> The control loop is a bit wacked now because there are huge preorder queues months long... gpus went unavailable too, but generally you couldn't preorder them months in advance.
 840 2013-11-17 17:25:23 <gmaxwell> and of course, gpus weren't rapidly replaced by things that were 10x faster and 10x more power efficient, as is happening with first gen mining asics.
 841 2013-11-17 17:25:52 <roconnor> oh, asics are getting better in of themselves?
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 843 2013-11-17 17:27:07 <gmaxwell> roconnor: yes, first gen stuff was 110nm with about 120MH/j and about $20/gh.  You can 'preorder' things that are 28nm with >1000MH/j and more like $3/gh.
 844 2013-11-17 17:27:16 <roconnor> damn
 845 2013-11-17 17:27:23 <roconnor> I hadn't even considered that.
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 847 2013-11-17 17:27:58 <roconnor> I guess I had better stop using 2 rounds of sha-1 for my password hashing. :P
 848 2013-11-17 17:28:14 <gmaxwell> (there are also 55nm designs now with performance basically matching the 28nm preorder figures, except not so cheap in terms of $/gh)
 849 2013-11-17 17:28:31 <sipa> as long as it's no double-sha256 on structured 80-byte data, i doubt you have anything to worry about
 850 2013-11-17 17:28:37 <sipa> ;;diff
 851 2013-11-17 17:28:38 <gribble> 6.094826798883545E8
 852 2013-11-17 17:28:47 <sipa> ;;nethash
 853 2013-11-17 17:28:47 <gribble> 4970375.19178
 854 2013-11-17 17:29:16 <gmaxwell> total operations done are about 2^73.97 now.
 855 2013-11-17 17:29:35 <sipa> ;;calc log([nethash]*10**9*86400)/log(2)
 856 2013-11-17 17:29:36 <gribble> 68.5410198739
 857 2013-11-17 17:29:57 <roconnor> oh right, it was sha256.
 858 2013-11-17 17:30:01 <gmaxwell> Smallest hash found so far, 000000000000000000028c32e6952731326747bae4be8db0f832d6eea0362050
 859 2013-11-17 17:30:44 <jouke> omg hax
 860 2013-11-17 17:30:48 <roconnor> gmaxwell: still a ways to go until we are expected to have found (but not recorded) a sha256 collision.
 861 2013-11-17 17:31:05 <gmaxwell> roconnor: yea, like a zillion years still at this rate. :)
 862 2013-11-17 17:31:36 <sipa> if we square the hashrate, we'd see one every few minutes :)
 863 2013-11-17 17:32:01 <roconnor> gmaxwell: maybe we should be more optimistic and presume a continuted exponential growth in hashing rate.
 864 2013-11-17 17:32:09 <sipa> "it's only 20 orders of magnitude"
 865 2013-11-17 17:32:20 <gmaxwell> Why not the Ackermann function of the hashrate if we're picking operations? :P
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 867 2013-11-17 17:32:34 <gmaxwell> roconnor: then we need to get started on our dyson sphere right away!
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 871 2013-11-17 17:32:57 <sipa> gmaxwell: you just overflowed my frain
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 882 2013-11-17 17:40:19 <TD> new bitcoinj based block explorer: https://www.biteasy.com/blocks
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 886 2013-11-17 17:43:03 <PRab> TD: Looks like there are supposed to be QR codes on the Address page, but they are just black for me.
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 888 2013-11-17 17:43:12 <TD> odd. they render for me
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 890 2013-11-17 17:43:33 <TD> it looks like they're not images
 891 2013-11-17 17:43:41 <TD> so perhaps some javascript issue
 892 2013-11-17 17:44:31 <PRab> Oh, they work in Chrome but not FF.
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 894 2013-11-17 17:45:10 <PRab> I have NoScript installed, but have it set to "All Scripts Globally"
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 896 2013-11-17 17:46:50 <PRab> They don't show up in IE either.
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 898 2013-11-17 17:47:58 <TD> damethos is fixinating
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 903 2013-11-17 17:55:29 <Emcy> TD is that using bitcoinj in full mode
 904 2013-11-17 17:55:51 <TD> yeah
 905 2013-11-17 17:55:58 <TD> i think so
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 910 2013-11-17 17:59:52 <BlueMatt> TD: wooo
 911 2013-11-17 17:59:53 <BlueMatt> nice
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 969 2013-11-17 19:13:55 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Ah, petertodd mentioning my key
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 975 2013-11-17 19:27:55 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|00:20:34 <gmaxwell> hno: not currently. I'd like a local sendraw to be able to force a resend but today it doesn't.
 976 2013-11-17 19:27:55 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|IIRC, I opened an issue about that a bunch of months ago (when I first looked into the dev process, this channel, etc)
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 982 2013-11-17 19:35:51 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|05:33:40 <gmaxwell> sipa: so what do you think of a BIP32 wallet convention where child chains are concurrently checked starting from chain ID 0 and also from chain ID = block height. ?
 983 2013-11-17 19:35:51 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|gmaxwell: Would that be block height at the time the master key is created?
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1001 2013-11-17 19:58:56 <RedEmerald> i got my brew tap working on mavericks! `brew install wysenynja/bitcoin/bitcoind --HEAD` is finally working for me :D
1002 2013-11-17 19:59:19 <RedEmerald> whoever wrote this autoconfig stuff. i love you
1003 2013-11-17 19:59:27 <RedEmerald> *autogen
1004 2013-11-17 19:59:28 <RedEmerald> w/e
1005 2013-11-17 20:01:29 <TD> nice!
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1015 2013-11-17 20:18:35 <ajf> What password-hashing algorithm is used to protect wallet passwords?
1016 2013-11-17 20:19:54 <Emcy> isnt it just aes
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1018 2013-11-17 20:20:20 <ajf> I said password-hashing
1019 2013-11-17 20:20:22 <ajf> Not encryption
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1021 2013-11-17 20:21:22 <RedEmerald> i dont think hashed passwords are stored anywhere, ajf
1022 2013-11-17 20:21:26 <Emcy> with aes dont you just provide a key string and it either decrypts to something intelligible or it doesnt
1023 2013-11-17 20:21:31 <Emcy> or am i a know nothing
1024 2013-11-17 20:22:15 <ajf> well
1025 2013-11-17 20:22:18 <ajf> ok
1026 2013-11-17 20:22:25 <sipa> ajf: iterated SHA512
1027 2013-11-17 20:22:28 <rebroad> I'm concerned about the scalability of bitcoin and what would happen if someone were to make available for download a node which only downloaded blocks, didn't upload them, and only forwarded transactions relating to it's own wallet... what motivation is there (other than the health of the bitcoin network) for people to forward on other people's transactions and blocks (which cost them due to CPU resources)
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1029 2013-11-17 20:23:01 <ajf> sipa: Hmm, why that vs something like bcrypt?
1030 2013-11-17 20:23:13 <sipa> ajf: why not?
1031 2013-11-17 20:23:28 <sipa> it's using OpenSSL's EVP module for that
1032 2013-11-17 20:23:46 <sipa> scrypt would be better, probably
1033 2013-11-17 20:23:49 <ajf> Well, if it's a sufficient number of iterations I imagine it matters not
1034 2013-11-17 20:23:58 <sipa> yes, it iterates for 0.1s
1035 2013-11-17 20:24:00 <Emcy> rebroad none at all
1036 2013-11-17 20:24:06 <sipa> with a minimum of 100k iterations, afaik
1037 2013-11-17 20:24:31 <sipa> rebroad: none at all, except that it would make the currency itself much less useful, and thus less valuable
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1039 2013-11-17 20:24:45 <ajf> sipa: that's reasonable
1040 2013-11-17 20:24:48 <sipa> rebroad: but it is one of the reasons why limiting the size of blocks matters
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1042 2013-11-17 20:25:03 <Emcy> rebroad well done for even recognising that as a problem though
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1044 2013-11-17 20:25:46 <sipa> rebroad: note that such clients already exist, they're called SPV :)
1045 2013-11-17 20:25:55 <gmaxwell> sipa: You also want to ensure your peers end up on the same consensus as you (not just for overall currency use), which has less cost-exteranlization.
1046 2013-11-17 20:26:09 <sipa> gmaxwell: good poin
1047 2013-11-17 20:26:10 <sipa> t
1048 2013-11-17 20:26:25 <gmaxwell> e.g. in terms of making the currency usful you can just let other people relay... but in terms of getting people on the same state as you, you need to relay.
1049 2013-11-17 20:26:39 <Emcy> >implying rational
1050 2013-11-17 20:27:04 <gmaxwell> rebroad: but certantly it's something to be concerned about.
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1077 2013-11-17 20:47:08 <devrandom> is there an easy way to get a large list of addresses present in the blockchain, for running some SPV client tests?
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1079 2013-11-17 20:49:06 <gmaxwell> devrandom: (for i in {269647..268647} ; do export bh=`./bitcoind getblockhash $i` ; for tx in `./bitcoind getblock $bh | grep '     "' | head -1 |cut -d'"' -f2` ; do ./bitcoind getrawtransaction $tx 1  | grep addresses -A 1 | grep -v addre ; done   ; done)
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1081 2013-11-17 20:50:12 <devrandom> gmaxwell: ah, thank you... I didn't know about the second arg to getrawtransaction
1082 2013-11-17 20:50:16 <devrandom> nice
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1087 2013-11-17 20:53:27 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|gmaxwell: Which was the transaction you put a <script> (or whatever it was) in the script<sig|pubkey> for?
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1090 2013-11-17 20:55:19 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|TD: What's with the big white box at the lower-left of the page on that bitcoinj block explorer that contains what appears to be my user-agent string (or at least the part of it that's visible in the box)?
1091 2013-11-17 20:56:45 <TD> i don't see such a thing
1092 2013-11-17 20:56:51 <TD> bug reports to damethos
1093 2013-11-17 20:59:37 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|TD: http://i.imgur.com/1Bf8jtl.png http://i.imgur.com/UGCBaxP.png
1094 2013-11-17 20:59:44 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|damethos: ping ^
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1097 2013-11-17 21:01:39 <damethos> michagogo|cloud, what browser you got?
1098 2013-11-17 21:01:57 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Chrome 30.0.1599.101
1099 2013-11-17 21:02:10 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Actually, it just decided to update itself
1100 2013-11-17 21:02:20 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|But I'm seeing that on Chrome 30.0.1599.101
1101 2013-11-17 21:02:32 <damethos> does it work now?
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1104 2013-11-17 21:03:24 <damethos> looks ok on my side with CHrome
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1109 2013-11-17 21:08:45 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|damethos: one sec, I'll relaunch to apply the update
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1121 2013-11-17 21:14:49 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|damethos: I still see it on version 31.0.1650.57
1122 2013-11-17 21:15:39 <damethos> you sure it aint some extension you have installed that shows weird stuff?
1123 2013-11-17 21:15:45 <damethos> and on which page exactly do you this
1124 2013-11-17 21:15:58 <damethos> I use Version 31.0.1650.57 as well and i can not find a problem =/
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1126 2013-11-17 21:16:37 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|damethos: On any page on biteasy.com
1127 2013-11-17 21:16:45 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Never seen anything like that elsewhere
1128 2013-11-17 21:17:05 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|And oddly, the box can't be right-clicked
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1131 2013-11-17 21:18:02 <damethos> I have no clue why you see that…i use same version and i dont see it and just tried it on different pc as well , works fine
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1133 2013-11-17 21:19:07 <damethos> michagogo|cloud, try to clear cache
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1135 2013-11-17 21:19:22 <TD> michagogo|cloud: any extensions?
1136 2013-11-17 21:19:31 <sipa> looks fine here
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1139 2013-11-17 21:20:38 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Cache cleared, still seeing it
1140 2013-11-17 21:20:41 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|TD: yes
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1143 2013-11-17 21:21:01 <TD> michagogo|cloud: try disabling them or using incognito mode to quickly disable all of them.
1144 2013-11-17 21:21:32 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Huh. Incognito mode fixes it.
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1146 2013-11-17 21:21:41 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I wonder which extension could be causing it?
1147 2013-11-17 21:21:41 <sipa> so it's one of your extensions, probably
1148 2013-11-17 21:22:15 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Aha
1149 2013-11-17 21:22:37 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Apparently it was caused by my HP laptop's fingerprint reader website logon extension
1150 2013-11-17 21:22:37 <sipa> "Show weird boxes on domains whose name ends with 'bite*.tld'"
1151 2013-11-17 21:22:54 <sipa> Ah.
1152 2013-11-17 21:22:56 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|sipa: :P
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1155 2013-11-17 21:23:10 <iddo> there's new paper on ECC that discusses Bitcoin: http://eprint.iacr.org/2013/734  (doesn't seem to be all that interesting at first glance)
1156 2013-11-17 21:26:05 <TD> lol
1157 2013-11-17 21:26:07 <TD> HP
1158 2013-11-17 21:26:08 <TD> goddamnit
1159 2013-11-17 21:26:17 <TD> does ANYONE make windows laptops that aren't loaded with absurd crapware
1160 2013-11-17 21:26:40 <damethos> rofl
1161 2013-11-17 21:26:49 <phantomcircuit> no
1162 2013-11-17 21:26:54 <damethos> glad you figured it out michagogo|cloud or else it would have made me crazy instead
1163 2013-11-17 21:27:09 <phantomcircuit> TD, the only way yo get that is to purchase a retail license
1164 2013-11-17 21:27:28 <TD> huh interesting. i didn't realise that not only does austria have an e-id scheme, but they run a nationwide citizen LDAP database!
1165 2013-11-17 21:27:33 <TD> that's ..... high tech
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1167 2013-11-17 21:28:51 <sipa> they dumped all bitcoin transaction from a BDB database
1168 2013-11-17 21:29:01 <sipa> which implementation stores transactions in BDB...? :p
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1170 2013-11-17 21:29:17 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|sipa: pre-0.8?
1171 2013-11-17 21:29:33 <phantomcircuit> michagogo|cloud, no even that was blk????.dat
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1173 2013-11-17 21:29:38 <sipa> michagogo|cloud: even then, only the index was BDB; it didn't contain any actual transactions
1174 2013-11-17 21:29:43 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|ah
1175 2013-11-17 21:29:44 <sipa> which is what they are talking about
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1177 2013-11-17 21:29:56 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Speaking of nationwide databases...
1178 2013-11-17 21:30:09 * michagogo cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|will be getting his new Israeli ID card probably this week
1179 2013-11-17 21:30:23 <phantomcircuit> sipa, iirc libbitcoin has a bdb storage mechanism
1180 2013-11-17 21:30:37 <phantomcircuit> i think he dumped it for leveldb recently though
1181 2013-11-17 21:31:23 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|It incorporates biometrics and apparently also is a cryptographic smart card for digital signatures -- I'm wondering what mechanism that uses
1182 2013-11-17 21:31:29 <phantomcircuit> first it was sql but that was just too slow
1183 2013-11-17 21:31:35 <phantomcircuit> then it was bdb and then leveldb
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1190 2013-11-17 21:39:41 <sipa> phantomcircuit: 1HT7xU2Ngenf7D4yocz2SAcnNLW7rK8d4E
1191 2013-11-17 21:39:46 <sipa> the paper mentions it
1192 2013-11-17 21:39:54 <sipa> that's Hash160("")
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1195 2013-11-17 21:40:03 <TD> :(
1196 2013-11-17 21:40:09 <sipa> there's also Hash160(0x00) = 1FYMZEHnszCHKTBdFZ2DLrUuk3dGwYKQxh
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1198 2013-11-17 21:40:14 <TD> odd
1199 2013-11-17 21:40:23 <cenron> anyone know of a good PHP library that handles adding BTC support to your website? Like be able to accept bitcoins, generate a address associated with a user and be able to pay out also in BTC?
1200 2013-11-17 21:40:27 <sipa> and Hash160(0x0000....) = 13VmALKHkCdSN1JULkP6RqW3LcbpWvgryV
1201 2013-11-17 21:40:31 <TD> seems like there were a few transactions in 2011 that sent to the empty hash
1202 2013-11-17 21:40:36 <TD> and then a whole run of them in 2013
1203 2013-11-17 21:40:42 <sipa> and Hash160(0x0400000...) = 16QaFeudRUt8NYy2yzjm3BMvG4xBbAsBFM
1204 2013-11-17 21:40:43 <TD> all within the same month
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1206 2013-11-17 21:41:14 <gmaxwell> TD: yea, also x=1, x=2 iirc also have coins on them.  also x=order-1  IIRC. I checked a bunch of these some time back.
1207 2013-11-17 21:41:19 <TD> sipa: the point at infinity actually has a private key of zero, right? so in theory anyone could grab those 2 coins .....
1208 2013-11-17 21:41:34 <sipa> TD: nope
1209 2013-11-17 21:41:39 <sipa> well, yes, no
1210 2013-11-17 21:41:49 <sipa> point at infinity is indeed private key 0
1211 2013-11-17 21:41:56 <sipa> but it's not valid for usage in ECDSA
1212 2013-11-17 21:41:59 <gmaxwell> yea, but no signature will validate for that.
1213 2013-11-17 21:42:12 <TD> ah
1214 2013-11-17 21:42:50 <TD> it's probably not worth the complexity to put those coins back into circulation next hard fork
1215 2013-11-17 21:43:26 <sipa> nah
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1218 2013-11-17 21:45:55 <sipa> ooooh! the koblitz-like structure of secp256k1 allows solving ECDLP for it sqrt(3) times faster
1219 2013-11-17 21:45:58 <sipa> we're dooooomed!
1220 2013-11-17 21:46:31 <sipa> only 127.2 bits of security left :(
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1224 2013-11-17 21:48:31 <gmaxwell> sipa: one of DJB's slidedecks had pointed that out.
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1228 2013-11-17 21:48:52 <BW^-> anyone with editing rights on www.bitcoin.it? ( requires payment of 0.01BTC for verification.)
1229 2013-11-17 21:48:59 <gmaxwell> There are bunch of academic speedups with hidden constants that make them completely unreasonable in any case.
1230 2013-11-17 21:49:09 <gmaxwell> BW^-: yes, lots of folks do, what do you want changed.
1231 2013-11-17 21:49:29 <BW^-> gmaxwell: awesomeness, it's just help for someone who sells in BTC, please let me PM to you the suggested addition of 3 lines ok?
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1233 2013-11-17 21:49:37 <Ferroh> Does anyone have any insight into what bounty size would be sufficiently motivating to get CoinJoin done? I see 18 BTC at the bounty address.
1234 2013-11-17 21:49:43 <Ferroh> I know that question is highly subjective, sorry.
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1236 2013-11-17 21:50:14 <Ferroh> I would just like to see it built, and it would be helpful for a campaign to have a target.
1237 2013-11-17 21:50:23 <gmaxwell> BW^-: sure.
1238 2013-11-17 21:52:01 <sipa> 18 BTC is a pretty crazy amount, but there's a ton to be done: design a protocol, find a way for nodes to find eachother, deal with potential attacks, ... even before you can implement anything
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1240 2013-11-17 21:52:26 <sipa> oh, and a GUI
1241 2013-11-17 21:54:08 <iddo> gmaxwell: zerocoin person glorifying their new proof size of 240 bytes, he neglects to mention that we have to trust them to destroy the random bits of the generator (they collaborated with SCIP)
1242 2013-11-17 21:55:04 <BW^-> gmaxwell: PM:ed
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1247 2013-11-17 21:57:11 <gmaxwell> iddo: It's kinda lame that they're talking about it prior to the paper being out, since it means no one can comment in response to the limitations.
1248 2013-11-17 21:57:36 <TD> 18 btc isn't much for professional software development and something as complicated as a "good" coinjoin
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1250 2013-11-17 21:58:27 <TD> even for a basic one like what blockchain.info did, it's sort of pushing it
1251 2013-11-17 21:58:57 <Emcy> bci did coinjoin?
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1254 2013-11-17 21:59:24 <BW^-> gmaxwell: wow, that was an expeirence. thank you very much.
1255 2013-11-17 21:59:34 <TD> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=40264.msg3367854#msg3367854
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1257 2013-11-17 22:01:01 <iddo> gmaxwell: right, you probably won't be too impressed with the complexity when it's published, they maintain a merkle tree of all the (spent and unspent) outputs that can have up to 2^64 leaves
1258 2013-11-17 22:01:12 <Emcy> eh, why couldnt he just brand it coinjoin.....
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1260 2013-11-17 22:03:01 <Emcy> ill have to look up how shared send was different
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1262 2013-11-17 22:04:11 <gmaxwell> Emcy: shared send was previously their mixer service, and some people cluesticked them into realizing that "mixer" was likely to bring unwelcome attention. So they rebranded it but the functionality didn't change. Then they had problems with people claiming that bc.i was defrauding them, thus the switch to coinjoin.
1263 2013-11-17 22:04:34 <TD> afaik "them" is still just ben
1264 2013-11-17 22:04:46 <Emcy> well at least he is still working on the site
1265 2013-11-17 22:04:55 <Emcy> i thought it was falling into disrepair
1266 2013-11-17 22:04:59 <Emcy> well parts of it seem to be
1267 2013-11-17 22:05:18 <Emcy> cant complain about implementing CJ though
1268 2013-11-17 22:05:18 <TD> oh?
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1270 2013-11-17 22:05:27 <TD> i've always been impressed at how productive he is
1271 2013-11-17 22:05:34 <Emcy> TD some of the stats are pretty off now
1272 2013-11-17 22:05:40 <TD> i guess because he doesn't spend any time procrastinating on irc or the forums :)
1273 2013-11-17 22:05:59 <Emcy> something about compressed keys i dont understand
1274 2013-11-17 22:06:14 <Emcy> address labelling ended up causing spam
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1276 2013-11-17 22:09:36 <gmaxwell> Emcy: I think it's more that his priorities aren't yours or mine and he doesn't have infinite time.
1277 2013-11-17 22:10:34 <Emcy> well, doing coinjoin before fixing the stats pages and stuff aligns pretty well with what would be my priorities tbh
1278 2013-11-17 22:10:41 <Emcy> so fair play
1279 2013-11-17 22:11:21 <Emcy> perjaps im being too harsh considering i dont use the site all that much
1280 2013-11-17 22:12:11 <TD> i'm just glad the stats parts exist
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1282 2013-11-17 22:13:56 <Emcy> oh there is that security issue someone has been trying to get in contact with piuk about for a while
1283 2013-11-17 22:14:00 <Emcy> but like you said hes never here
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1303 2013-11-17 22:58:10 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I'm just going to leave this here, since it's 1 AM: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/3275
1304 2013-11-17 22:58:14 * michagogo cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|goes to bed
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1339 2013-11-17 23:37:56 <sipa> heh
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1341 2013-11-17 23:38:07 <sipa> getnodeinfo's banscore is never set
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1344 2013-11-17 23:44:38 <firepacket> so it just looks like everyone is well behaved
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1349 2013-11-17 23:50:06 <sipa> i'm wrong, it is set
1350 2013-11-17 23:52:10 <warren> sipa: is headers first still feasible for 0.9?
1351 2013-11-17 23:52:32 <sipa> unsure
1352 2013-11-17 23:52:37 <sipa> i haven't found much time lately
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1354 2013-11-17 23:53:09 <sipa> but i have no idea how soon other devs would like to see 0.9
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1356 2013-11-17 23:53:15 <sipa> it seems it's a big change
1357 2013-11-17 23:53:26 <TD> i guess gavin wants the fee stuff  at least
1358 2013-11-17 23:53:35 <TD> seems bitcoin is settling into a 0.x bump once a year :)
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1362 2013-11-17 23:53:47 <TD> i saw coin control was just merged
1363 2013-11-17 23:54:26 <warren> and disablewallet
1364 2013-11-17 23:54:35 <Emcy> nice
1365 2013-11-17 23:54:52 <sipa> i hope we can get some basic bip32 in as well
1366 2013-11-17 23:55:07 <Emcy> how hard is it to get one of those github commitbots in here? Give us something to talk about on topic....
1367 2013-11-17 23:55:18 <sipa> combining bip32 with watchonly is the real deal, but much more work
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1372 2013-11-17 23:56:26 <fanquake> Emcy I'm pretty sure we used to have one.
1373 2013-11-17 23:56:35 <warren> we need to feature freeze at some point or we'll never stabilize this
1374 2013-11-17 23:56:37 <sipa> it got political :)
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1377 2013-11-17 23:56:50 <Emcy> oh thats sad
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1381 2013-11-17 23:58:18 <fanquake> TD Have you still be seeing the osx uncorruption issue?
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1383 2013-11-17 23:58:48 <TD> i haven't been running bitcoind on my mac lately. i upgraded to mavericks and it stopped building
1384 2013-11-17 23:58:57 <TD> once the fix is in i'll try again and start it up once more
1385 2013-11-17 23:58:59 <warren> Gavin has 5 BTC bounty toward that, we're adding more.  I need to define the bounty conditions and post it.
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1387 2013-11-17 23:59:28 <kinlo> is there an overview of the bounties and what needs to be done?
1388 2013-11-17 23:59:31 <fanquake> I don't think I've seen it since we last discussed it. Trying to find a reproducible case.
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1390 2013-11-17 23:59:51 <warren> both bitcoin and litecoin see bug reports