1 2013-11-18 00:00:38 <warren> fanquake: 0.8.5 + leveldb from master + lots of other fixes and features
   2 2013-11-18 00:00:56 <warren> fanquake: folks need to test a client with all the leveldb patches
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   4 2013-11-18 00:01:11 <sipa> "all the", there are multiple?
   5 2013-11-18 00:01:20 <sipa> afaik the only thing we did recently was upgrade to 1.13
   6 2013-11-18 00:01:26 <fanquake> warren the bitcoin leveldb repo is still at 1.13 isn't it?
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   9 2013-11-18 00:01:58 <sipa> yes
  10 2013-11-18 00:02:00 <warren> sipa: both of the mac specific fsync patches happened before that, I guess that's included in 1.13?
  11 2013-11-18 00:02:11 <sipa> that's much longer ago
  12 2013-11-18 00:02:19 <sipa> those weren't in 0.8.5?
  13 2013-11-18 00:02:24 <warren> sipa: nope
  14 2013-11-18 00:02:27 <warren> fanquake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=320695.0
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  17 2013-11-18 00:04:19 <fanquake> warren Which dependancy versions is the binary built against? The current bitcoin ones with Boost 1.54.0?
  18 2013-11-18 00:04:36 <warren> fanquake: identical to 0.8.5 deps
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  45 2013-11-18 00:24:44 <warren> anyone have links to mac corruption bug reports?
  46 2013-11-18 00:24:47 <warren> I want to link to all of them
  47 2013-11-18 00:24:52 <midnightmagic> Whoah, coin control was merged?  Outside of the raw* stuff?
  48 2013-11-18 00:27:06 <sipa> how do you mean?
  49 2013-11-18 00:27:41 <warren> midnightmagic: GUI coin control
  50 2013-11-18 00:27:47 <gmaxwell> midnightmagic: yes, the CC GUI stuf was merged.
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  53 2013-11-18 00:32:43 <midnightmagic> oh
  54 2013-11-18 00:33:05 <midnightmagic> so command-line is still manual raw/groupings/unspent/etc
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  57 2013-11-18 00:40:31 <dparrish> does anyone know if it's possible to get a wallet.dat from 2010 and still use the keys today? I found a machine that died a few years ago, which would have a pile of early btc (back when they were worth nothing)
  58 2013-11-18 00:40:40 <sipa> yes
  59 2013-11-18 00:40:50 <sipa> we've never broken backward compatibility, afaik
  60 2013-11-18 00:41:08 <dparrish> awesome! then it's time to spend the next couple of weeks manually rebuilding a raid-5 array by hand :)
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  62 2013-11-18 00:43:43 <edcba> i migrated some 2011 wallet this year and it went ok
  63 2013-11-18 00:43:43 <Emcy> will a 0.3.24 wallet run in a 0.8 client?
  64 2013-11-18 00:43:59 <Emcy> it will do the convert thing but work right
  65 2013-11-18 00:44:14 <sipa> nothing to convert, it should just work
  66 2013-11-18 00:44:15 <edcba> anyway step 1 is backup
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  69 2013-11-18 00:46:40 <Emcy> guy in #bitcoin has apparently been served bitcoin 3.24 from ubuntus repos
  70 2013-11-18 00:46:54 <Emcy> in 12.04 if it matters
  71 2013-11-18 00:47:03 <sipa> 0.3.24; unfortunately, that's what's in their repos
  72 2013-11-18 00:47:03 <Emcy> he might have lost 0.8btc to it
  73 2013-11-18 00:47:09 <sipa> why lost?
  74 2013-11-18 00:47:22 <Emcy> well, if he screws it up i suppose
  75 2013-11-18 00:47:48 <sipa> just backup the wallet immediately, upgrade, and see what happens
  76 2013-11-18 00:47:51 <Emcy> what the hell ubuntu......
  77 2013-11-18 00:48:03 <sipa> no reason why you'd lose anything
  78 2013-11-18 00:48:20 <Emcy> ok, but getting a bitcoin that old is bad enough
  79 2013-11-18 00:48:27 <sipa> yes, very bad
  80 2013-11-18 00:48:31 <sipa> but nothing we can do about it
  81 2013-11-18 00:48:32 <dparrish> it is?
  82 2013-11-18 00:48:39 <edcba> why bad ?
  83 2013-11-18 00:48:44 <Emcy> can they not be politely contacted
  84 2013-11-18 00:48:58 <edcba> oh a bitcoin client...
  85 2013-11-18 00:49:08 <edcba> i thought 1 old BTC is bad :)
  86 2013-11-18 00:49:11 <sipa> it's broken, insecure, slow, and not supported on the network anymore
  87 2013-11-18 00:49:13 <sipa> ah
  88 2013-11-18 00:49:29 <sipa> Emcy: afaik they have been
  89 2013-11-18 00:49:44 <edcba> maybe again ?
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 101 2013-11-18 01:05:19 <imton> guys, someone with experience in bitcoin-abe? someone know alternatives?
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 108 2013-11-18 01:07:38 <danneu> imton: What do you want to do?
 109 2013-11-18 01:08:19 <imton> danneu: I want to be able to ask for address transactions
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 123 2013-11-18 01:29:13 <warren> So we can't trust NTP.  Are there any low cost atomic clock solutions for your own server?
 124 2013-11-18 01:29:19 <warren> (not radio receivers)
 125 2013-11-18 01:30:50 <gmaxwell> warren: what for?
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 127 2013-11-18 01:31:11 <warren> gmaxwell: keep time without trusting a network
 128 2013-11-18 01:31:14 <Ryan52> warren: Hey, I know you from LTSP a very long time ago, don't I? This channel is just full of people I used to know, so many good memories coming back to me!
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 130 2013-11-18 01:31:29 <warren> Ryan52: wow, thought your named looked familiar.  what are you up to these days?
 131 2013-11-18 01:32:17 <Ryan52> warren: same old, same old, unfortunately. in university now though, so that's cool. what about you?
 132 2013-11-18 01:32:53 <warren> Ryan52: I break things.
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 135 2013-11-18 01:33:41 <Ryan52> warren: heh, how so? that sounds fun!
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 137 2013-11-18 01:35:09 <justusranvier> When does Bitcoin-Qt choose to extend its keypool? Is it when the last address is exhausted or when the number of unused addresses falls to some threshold?
 138 2013-11-18 01:36:42 <gmaxwell> why am I answering this in multiple channels.
 139 2013-11-18 01:36:56 <gmaxwell> justusranvier: it's extended _every time_ a key is used.
 140 2013-11-18 01:37:10 <gmaxwell> Which is the simplest behavior to achieve the goal.
 141 2013-11-18 01:37:32 <justusranvier> ok
 142 2013-11-18 01:38:09 <edcba> warren: gps is included in (not radio receivers) ?
 143 2013-11-18 01:38:54 <warren> edcba: I'd love to see GPS without a radio receiver.
 144 2013-11-18 01:39:03 <edcba> :)
 145 2013-11-18 01:39:17 <edcba> ok just to be sure what you meant by radio receivers
 146 2013-11-18 01:40:33 <edcba> http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2011-05/smallest-atomic-clock-ever-now-sale ?
 147 2013-11-18 01:40:49 <edcba> also some DIY solutions...
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 150 2013-11-18 01:42:28 <gmaxwell> you can go buy rb oscilators on ebay all day long, if you care. though oxco have good stability and could probably be conditioned by the bitcoin network.
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 153 2013-11-18 01:49:48 <fanquake> So apparently blockchain.info has implemented coinjoin. Anyone used it yet?
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 155 2013-11-18 01:51:27 <Ferroh> A poor man's version of coinjoin though
 156 2013-11-18 01:51:53 <Emcy> howso
 157 2013-11-18 01:52:20 <Ferroh> In the way that only BCI users can use it
 158 2013-11-18 01:52:23 <Ferroh> so to use it you must use an online wallet.
 159 2013-11-18 01:52:40 <Ferroh> A "real" CoinJoin would be distributed
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 163 2013-11-18 01:57:19 <CodeShark> justusranvier: check out https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2841
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 243 2013-11-18 03:29:57 <warren> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=337294   DRAFT: MacOS X LevelDB Corruption Bounty (5 BTC + 200 LTC)
 244 2013-11-18 03:30:06 <warren> anything you think i should edit before it goes live?
 245 2013-11-18 03:31:52 <warren> sipa: gmaxwell: ^
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 257 2013-11-18 03:43:25 <fanquake> warren you could add #2785 to the background if you want.
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 276 2013-11-18 04:05:38 <Ryan52> Emcy: a bit under a $1000 USD.
 277 2013-11-18 04:05:55 <Ryan52> Emcy: based on the range in https://btc-e.com/exchange/ltc_usd
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 305 2013-11-18 04:38:04 <warren> fanquake: does the uncorrupting itself happen with master or OMG3 now?
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 307 2013-11-18 04:42:27 <fanquake> warren I haven't seen the uncorruption for a little while now. Last time I saw it was with 0.8.5 I'm fairly sure.
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 318 2013-11-18 04:49:58 <fanquake> warren I have been, there is no easy way to reproduce that issue.
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 320 2013-11-18 04:50:45 <warren> fanquake: yeah, hence condition #1 ...
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 322 2013-11-18 04:51:39 <fanquake> warren Yea, I'm working on it.
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 329 2013-11-18 04:55:20 <warren> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=337294  any last minute add/edit suggestions?
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 331 2013-11-18 04:58:26 <phantomcircuit> warren, 3100 usd? that's pretty sad
 332 2013-11-18 04:59:55 <phantomcircuit> warren, also whoever does #2 should get the majority
 333 2013-11-18 05:00:05 <phantomcircuit> identifying the problem is like 90% of the work
 334 2013-11-18 05:00:08 <phantomcircuit> (if not more)
 335 2013-11-18 05:00:30 <Ferroh> Wait a minute
 336 2013-11-18 05:00:34 <Ferroh> CoinJoin has been implemented?
 337 2013-11-18 05:00:35 <Ferroh> http://sx.dyne.org/anontx/
 338 2013-11-18 05:00:47 <Ferroh> Are you guys aware of that implementation? What is it missing?
 339 2013-11-18 05:01:00 <warren> phantomcircuit: Bitcoin developers choose how to apportion =P
 340 2013-11-18 05:01:14 <phantomcircuit> warren, right but you imply that it will go a certain way
 341 2013-11-18 05:01:23 <warren> phantomcircuit: I'll just remove that example
 342 2013-11-18 05:01:24 <phantomcircuit> Ferroh, iirc they collected the initial bounty
 343 2013-11-18 05:01:31 <Ferroh> ah
 344 2013-11-18 05:04:14 * Ryan52 was amazed at how much the initial bounty is, no doubt it is quite a hard problem, but bitcoin must be a very profitable domain to be programming in!
 345 2013-11-18 05:04:39 <warren> Ryan52: got a mac?
 346 2013-11-18 05:04:41 <warren> Ryan52: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=337294
 347 2013-11-18 05:05:22 <Ryan52> warren: heh, I wish I had a mac, for more reasons than just that bounty. It would be quite interesting to give it a try tho.
 348 2013-11-18 05:07:05 <phantomcircuit> Ryan52, the initial county was a few thousand dollars worth of bitcoins at the time
 349 2013-11-18 05:07:18 <Ryan52> I also assumed that if a person reproduced the problem consistently, they would be able to find the root cause in the process and probably solve the underlying problem in the end, if they're 90% there, might as well make it the full stretch (easier said than done, understandably.. I am humble to the extremely complex things this community creates).
 350 2013-11-18 05:08:05 <Ryan52> warren: how long do you think it will take for somebody in the community to solve the issue?
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 356 2013-11-18 05:09:40 <warren> Ryan52: I have no idea.  lots of smart people have already failed to figure this out.
 357 2013-11-18 05:09:47 <fanquake> Ryan52 The issue has been around for ~ 5 months already.
 358 2013-11-18 05:09:51 <warren> jgarzik: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=337294
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 360 2013-11-18 05:10:12 <warren> phantomcircuit: and yes, the bounty is too small right now, thus the call for donations.
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 362 2013-11-18 05:12:24 <jgarzik> warren, groovy
 363 2013-11-18 05:12:36 <jgarzik> warren, 5 BTC isn't small anymore...
 364 2013-11-18 05:12:45 <warren> jgarzik: given how long we've failed to fix this ...
 365 2013-11-18 05:12:51 <jgarzik> especially with Mr. Bernanke tearing down that bid wall.
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 370 2013-11-18 05:15:41 <Ferroh> "especially with Mr. Bernanke tearing down that bid wall." what?
 371 2013-11-18 05:15:42 <Ryan52> warren: I'll try to get my hands on a mac before the bounty is solved and give it a try, I love a good challenge! It certainly may be over my head, though ;)
 372 2013-11-18 05:16:54 <jgarzik> Ferroh, We are very close to $500/bitcoin, and Bernanke says... http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-18/u-s-agencies-to-say-bitcoins-offer-legitimate-benefits.html
 373 2013-11-18 05:17:04 <Ferroh> I think you meant tearing down that ask wall then.
 374 2013-11-18 05:17:12 <Ferroh> That was a positive sentiment from bernanke.
 375 2013-11-18 05:17:22 <Ferroh> (Unless I missed something.)
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 377 2013-11-18 05:18:51 <petertodd> jgarzik: over $500/BTC now...
 378 2013-11-18 05:19:13 <petertodd> jgarzik: heck, I just sold a bit, and it already went up another %10
 379 2013-11-18 05:19:15 <jgarzik> petertodd, not on any real exchange
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 381 2013-11-18 05:19:38 <Ferroh> jgarzik, does BTCChina count as a real exchange?
 382 2013-11-18 05:20:16 <petertodd> jgarzik: cavirtex equiv is at 536, but define real...
 383 2013-11-18 05:20:22 <Ferroh> It's well over $500 on cavirtex, BTC-e, BTCChina
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 385 2013-11-18 05:20:35 <deego> that's easy. real == those that trade below 500.
 386 2013-11-18 05:20:50 <jgarzik> equivalent is not actual
 387 2013-11-18 05:21:00 <petertodd> deego: todd-exchange is trading at $1/BTC
 388 2013-11-18 05:21:28 <jgarzik> CAD and CNY != USD.  BTC-e somewhat approaches a real exchange.
 389 2013-11-18 05:21:48 <Ferroh> It is trivial to trade CAD for USD though...
 390 2013-11-18 05:21:51 <petertodd> jgarzik: ha, and mtgox is right out...
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 392 2013-11-18 05:22:07 <jgarzik> petertodd, quite
 393 2013-11-18 05:23:42 <petertodd> damn: http://blockchain.info/charts/cost-per-transaction <- nearly $50/tx
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 396 2013-11-18 05:25:05 <jgarzik> petertodd, what is that measuring?
 397 2013-11-18 05:25:17 <petertodd> jgarzik: inflation*usd/btc / # of txs
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 410 2013-11-18 05:31:36 <warren> fanquake: please find the mac users and encourage them to donate to that thread
 411 2013-11-18 05:31:56 * fanquake finds all the mac users
 412 2013-11-18 05:32:10 <petertodd> * fanquake counts them on one hand
 413 2013-11-18 05:32:25 <warren> Ryan52: we aren't even sure how to reproduce it ... some users have never seen corruption, while others it happens often
 414 2013-11-18 05:32:57 <petertodd> warren: I'd bet you a beer it'll turn out to be hardware
 415 2013-11-18 05:33:05 <Ryan52> warren: right, that sounds like the funest part.
 416 2013-11-18 05:33:16 <warren> petertodd: I'll take that bet.
 417 2013-11-18 05:33:16 <Ryan52> (to solve, not to experience.)
 418 2013-11-18 05:33:26 <Ryan52> heh
 419 2013-11-18 05:33:38 <petertodd> warren: deal, I'm not betting airfare to hawaii to give you the beer though
 420 2013-11-18 05:33:55 <warren> is "a beer"  stable carrier of value?
 421 2013-11-18 05:34:35 <petertodd> warren: I'd suggest anyone debugging it, if this hasn't been done already, swap harddrives, in the combinations of same OS install and different OS install
 422 2013-11-18 05:34:46 <petertodd> warren: if value == bitcoins, apparently not...
 423 2013-11-18 05:34:48 <fanquake> The price of one pint of "preferred beer name"
 424 2013-11-18 05:35:09 <petertodd> warren: if value == BAC, depends on how much weight you gain over the holidays
 425 2013-11-18 05:35:15 <Ryan52> petertodd: first they'd have to be able to reproduce the issue, though
 426 2013-11-18 05:35:29 <petertodd> Ryan52: er, yes, step 2 is... :P
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 428 2013-11-18 05:35:52 <petertodd> Ryan52: won't surprise me if whoever fixes it has more than one mac!
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 430 2013-11-18 05:36:56 <Ryan52> gotcha. well, I haven't reviewed the BR yet, but in that direction, it would be helpful to find out what hardware the people who experienced already were on.
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 434 2013-11-18 05:38:08 <warren> can someone send some BTC dust to https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=337294 to start it up?
 435 2013-11-18 05:38:43 <petertodd> warren: PGP sign the addresses first :P
 436 2013-11-18 05:39:11 <warren>  oh
 437 2013-11-18 05:39:12 <warren> ok
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 443 2013-11-18 05:46:11 <petertodd> much better
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 445 2013-11-18 05:48:05 <warren> perhaps I shouldn't put all digits in the topic
 446 2013-11-18 05:48:27 <warren> 5.0045742 BTC + 200.20000000 LTC
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 550 2013-11-18 08:41:04 <Anduckkk> is there a way to easily get a list of received tx to address?
 551 2013-11-18 08:41:04 <Anduckkk> in bitcoind json rpc
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 558 2013-11-18 08:48:02 <Luke-Jr> Anduckkk: you mean display a transaction by the address? ;)
 559 2013-11-18 08:48:20 <Anduckkk> yes
 560 2013-11-18 08:48:44 <Luke-Jr> getreceivedbyaddress will get you the amount at least
 561 2013-11-18 08:49:01 <Anduckkk> yes
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 563 2013-11-18 08:49:20 <Anduckkk> but i'd need something like listreceivedbyaddress but with a single address
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 572 2013-11-18 08:54:01 <alex_fun> hey folks
 573 2013-11-18 08:54:05 <Anduckkk> hi
 574 2013-11-18 08:54:14 <alex_fun> who here knows good data analysis tools?
 575 2013-11-18 08:54:41 <alex_fun> I am interested in tool that is like web, create objects links between objects and link properties
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 577 2013-11-18 08:55:04 <alex_fun> then when some object changed per some scenario whole web changes
 578 2013-11-18 08:55:09 <alex_fun> via links and properties
 579 2013-11-18 08:55:28 <alex_fun> game theory analytics tool kinda
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 660 2013-11-18 11:19:51 <stonecoldpat0> When signing a transaction in the scriptSig - what is the 'simplified transaction' that is signed?
 661 2013-11-18 11:19:56 <stonecoldpat0> I cant' seem to find out what it contains
 662 2013-11-18 11:20:28 <sipa> stonecoldpat0: http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/9300/signature-in-scriptsig
 663 2013-11-18 11:20:57 <stonecoldpat0> thank you :)
 664 2013-11-18 11:21:28 <sipa> the diagram by etotheipi is very useful
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 694 2013-11-18 11:50:17 <thermoman> hi
 695 2013-11-18 11:51:24 <thermoman> i've got a transaction that get's me "TX rejected", "code: -22". gettransaction shows 7 transactions, getrawtransaction shows 8 transactions where the one not in gettransactions is 0.001...
 696 2013-11-18 11:51:32 <thermoman> any idea how to get this resolved?
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 698 2013-11-18 11:55:18 <melvster> thermoman: try getrawtransaction 1 ?
 699 2013-11-18 11:55:58 <melvster> not all transactions are indexed by default
 700 2013-11-18 11:55:59 <thermoman> melvster: i meant this
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 702 2013-11-18 11:57:19 <jouke> What do you mean with: "gettransaction shows 7 transactions"? Do you mean listtransactions?
 703 2013-11-18 11:57:38 <melvster> thermoman: not sure if this helps you : http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/11759/get-non-wallet-transactions-using-bitcoin-rpc-gettransaction
 704 2013-11-18 11:58:54 <thermoman> gettransaction <txid> gives 7 items in "details". getrawtransaction <hexcode> 1 gives n 0..7 in vout where the one missing in gettransactions has a value of 0.01000579
 705 2013-11-18 11:59:22 <thermoman> trying to send the hexcode via sendrawtransaction on another node results in the error -22
 706 2013-11-18 11:59:45 <thermoman> decoderawtransaction on a seperate node works
 707 2013-11-18 12:00:02 <thermoman> and shows the same as getrawtransaction <hex> 1 on the machine that originally sent the TX
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 712 2013-11-18 12:02:25 <thermoman> sendrawtransaction <hex> on the machine that originally sent this gives just back the txid
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 716 2013-11-18 12:05:37 <sipa> thermoman: gettransaction is a wallet call, it returns wallet ledger entries
 717 2013-11-18 12:05:55 <sipa> which does not include outputs that don't credit yourself, or change
 718 2013-11-18 12:06:07 <sipa> getrawtransaction shows the transaction as it exists on the network
 719 2013-11-18 12:06:13 <thermoman> ok
 720 2013-11-18 12:06:25 <thermoman> then why doesn't this tx is on the network?
 721 2013-11-18 12:06:28 <thermoman> because it is not
 722 2013-11-18 12:06:43 <thermoman> it seems it is stuck
 723 2013-11-18 12:06:51 <thermoman> in the node and it's parent node
 724 2013-11-18 12:07:12 <jouke> getrawtransaction on the other node returns nothing?
 725 2013-11-18 12:07:29 <thermoman> my setup: node -> connect=<ip of parent>
 726 2013-11-18 12:07:41 <thermoman> node: sendrawtransaction gives back txid
 727 2013-11-18 12:07:51 <thermoman> parent: sendrawtransaction gives -22 error
 728 2013-11-18 12:08:04 <sipa> that likely means it's already sent
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 730 2013-11-18 12:08:21 <thermoman> lemme check again
 731 2013-11-18 12:08:49 <lianj> ugly workaround, do a getrawtx before sendraw
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 733 2013-11-18 12:09:01 <sipa> lianj: that shouldn't matter
 734 2013-11-18 12:09:09 <sipa> and for getrawtransaction to work on arbitrary transactions, you need to be running with -txindex
 735 2013-11-18 12:09:20 <lianj> no i mean if getrawtx returns the tx already then you don't need to sendraw
 736 2013-11-18 12:09:31 <lianj> true, only works with txindex
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 738 2013-11-18 12:09:37 <thermoman> blockexplorer and blockchain don't know this txid
 739 2013-11-18 12:10:03 <thermoman> getrawtransaction <hex> 1 on the parent gives no info about configmations
 740 2013-11-18 12:10:18 <thermoman> parent has been restarted
 741 2013-11-18 12:10:19 <thermoman> no change
 742 2013-11-18 12:10:31 <thermoman> txid: ac2828a1b0cdf7cd3a22d8cc3717a1069b883b459cb1e21633876e823460dfa8
 743 2013-11-18 12:10:44 <sipa> are you running with txindex?
 744 2013-11-18 12:11:29 <thermoman> just checked - negative
 745 2013-11-18 12:11:30 <jouke> my full index node: error: {"code":-5,"message":"No information available about transaction"}
 746 2013-11-18 12:11:38 <sipa> same, i don't have it either
 747 2013-11-18 12:12:17 <thermoman> i could give you the hex code in /query, sipa
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 749 2013-11-18 12:12:25 <sipa> go ahead
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 753 2013-11-18 12:17:15 <sipa> hmm, my node rejects the transaction
 754 2013-11-18 12:17:55 <thermoman> node and parent in this case = 0.7.2
 755 2013-11-18 12:18:48 <sipa> oh
 756 2013-11-18 12:18:53 <diki> sup with osx corruption?
 757 2013-11-18 12:18:54 <sipa> then you don't need txindex
 758 2013-11-18 12:19:06 <sipa> but why?
 759 2013-11-18 12:20:05 <warren> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=337294.0   MacOS X LevelDB corruption bounty
 760 2013-11-18 12:20:10 * warren sleep
 761 2013-11-18 12:20:52 <diki> What progress have you guys made?
 762 2013-11-18 12:21:46 <sipa> none
 763 2013-11-18 12:21:56 <warren> diki: some dust donations ...
 764 2013-11-18 12:22:01 <warren> that's progress
 765 2013-11-18 12:23:04 <diki> but if the problem occurs on shutdown...
 766 2013-11-18 12:23:41 <warren> diki: nobody can even explain why it NEVER happens for some users, and always for others
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 769 2013-11-18 12:24:12 <sipa> there may be several distinct problems
 770 2013-11-18 12:24:14 <diki> conflicting application?
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 772 2013-11-18 12:24:36 <thermoman> sipa: any thoughts on the transaction with -22?
 773 2013-11-18 12:24:48 <sipa> thermoman: sorry, no time to look into it further now
 774 2013-11-18 12:25:04 <thermoman> ok
 775 2013-11-18 12:25:25 <diki> tomorrow I will get my cm storm quickfire tk, may try to look at the code
 776 2013-11-18 12:26:11 <sipa> your what?
 777 2013-11-18 12:26:19 <diki> keyboard
 778 2013-11-18 12:26:26 <diki> rolling w/o atm
 779 2013-11-18 12:26:41 <sipa> eh ok
 780 2013-11-18 12:28:16 <warren> sipa: yes, I think the earlier leveldb fixes did fix other problems
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 783 2013-11-18 12:29:04 <diki> sipa: gui or command line exhibits the problem or shouldnt matter?
 784 2013-11-18 12:29:09 <sipa> everything
 785 2013-11-18 12:29:11 <sipa> sometimes
 786 2013-11-18 12:29:16 <sipa> for some people
 787 2013-11-18 12:29:22 <sipa> on several osx versions
 788 2013-11-18 12:29:26 <sipa> on several types of hardware
 789 2013-11-18 12:29:50 <warren> bitcoind doesn't really exist on mac, it's difficult to build and it isn't distributed by anyone
 790 2013-11-18 12:30:00 <sipa> oh right
 791 2013-11-18 12:30:03 <diki> what?
 792 2013-11-18 12:30:19 <warren> it's easier to build it for 64bit
 793 2013-11-18 12:30:20 <diki> That sounds weird...i think
 794 2013-11-18 12:30:39 <sipa> osx releases are done manually by gavin, instead of by gitian (which doesn't work yet for osx builds)
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 797 2013-11-18 12:34:30 <diki> possible issue with gavin's compiler?
 798 2013-11-18 12:35:24 <diki> though it doesnt explain why it works fine for some
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 804 2013-11-18 12:47:28 <wumpus> I suppose now that we have autoconf it's easy to build bitcoind for the mac?
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 809 2013-11-18 12:50:23 <fanquake> Yea.
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 813 2013-11-18 12:53:47 <thermoman> sipa: the TX is now live on blockchain and blockexplorer!
 814 2013-11-18 12:53:54 <thermoman> did you do something?
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 819 2013-11-18 12:55:53 <thermoman> it might have been the restart of the parent node
 820 2013-11-18 12:56:14 <thermoman> that triggered the forwarding
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 828 2013-11-18 13:00:24 <warren> wumpus: easier to build, although less so if you want it to work on all versions of macos x
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 831 2013-11-18 13:01:58 <wumpus> warren: the trick to build on an old version of mac, like we do with the linux builds, doesn't work?
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 853 2013-11-18 13:28:20 <warren> wumpus: actually, haven't tried with autotools and ancient xcode yet
 854 2013-11-18 13:28:54 <warren> wumpus: our team now has a permanent ancient mac hosted behind VPN in a data center for this.
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 871 2013-11-18 13:50:32 <t7> anyone else in here just get a PM ad?
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 873 2013-11-18 13:52:35 <moriarty> bitcoin has just broached $600
 874 2013-11-18 13:52:37 <moriarty> yeah baby!
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 877 2013-11-18 13:54:04 <TD> wha
 878 2013-11-18 13:54:09 <TD> it was 430 when i went to bed last night
 879 2013-11-18 13:54:26 <_boot> i've had a few PM ads
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 881 2013-11-18 13:54:53 <moriarty> TD, lol i just got richer by a couple G's
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 883 2013-11-18 13:55:13 <TD> bubble bubble toil and trouble
 884 2013-11-18 13:55:26 <moriarty> TD, lol you trade?
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 888 2013-11-18 13:58:47 <TD> no
 889 2013-11-18 13:59:01 <moriarty> shame
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 899 2013-11-18 14:18:32 <TD> moriarty: i have coins
 900 2013-11-18 14:18:42 <TD> moriarty: i just don't trade with them on exchanges. i basically just buy things with them
 901 2013-11-18 14:18:50 <moriarty> TD, i see
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 903 2013-11-18 14:22:01 <damethos> hey TD
 904 2013-11-18 14:22:05 <TD> sup
 905 2013-11-18 14:22:15 <damethos> I think i should be less in IRC
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 907 2013-11-18 14:22:18 <damethos> fucking distraction
 908 2013-11-18 14:23:10 <TD> preach it
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 911 2013-11-18 14:24:34 ds is now known as away!ds@gateway/shell/cloudant/x-kqsgikodvlabxlrd|dongshengcn
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 924 2013-11-18 14:41:59 <owowo> there is no bubble, there is just demand and supply :P
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 941 2013-11-18 15:12:02 <TD> sipa: does "Gangnam Style:2.0" mean anything to you?
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 949 2013-11-18 15:22:18 <TD> never mind
 950 2013-11-18 15:22:32 <TD> i added logging to my node so i can see which peers are announcing txns
 951 2013-11-18 15:22:46 <TD> and noticed that nearly all of them seemed to come from one node. but now i restarted, and it looks the same, but with a different node
 952 2013-11-18 15:23:05 <TD> so i think there must be something about how the code is structured such that the same node always wins the inv/announce race. perhaps the first that was connected or something
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 956 2013-11-18 15:24:32 <TD> no actually, i tell a lie, now it looks more healthy. beforehand though this nogleg.net Gangnam Style node was always the first to announce like 80% of the transactions. odd.
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 958 2013-11-18 15:25:33 <TD> damnit. the moment i type anything it becomes obsolete. now that node is back and is once again responsible for most of the txns my node sees
 959 2013-11-18 15:25:41 <TD> i wonder if it relays without verifying
 960 2013-11-18 15:27:53 <aoeu> When's the hearing?
 961 2013-11-18 15:29:50 <gmaxwell> TD: there are also some nodes that every time there is a block they flood you with unconfirmed txn, so they're rather bursty.
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1001 2013-11-18 16:07:03 <TD> outstanding: http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/11/18/meet-the-assassination-market-creator-whos-crowdfunding-murder-with-bitcoins/
1002 2013-11-18 16:07:17 <BlueMatt> fuuuun
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1004 2013-11-18 16:12:06 <TD> the first comment is right on the money
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1007 2013-11-18 16:12:41 <TD> to believe that anarchy is equivalent to utopia .... where do these people come from, and do they read books? why do they always seem to be american? i hope this sort of thinking doesn't take hold anywhere else.
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1009 2013-11-18 16:14:28 <gmaxwell> td: thats a forbes link, the writers there are paid per click; this provides an even simpler explination about the subject matter there than complicated political reasoning.
1010 2013-11-18 16:14:56 <TD> what journalists aren't?
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1013 2013-11-18 16:15:15 <t7> subscription based ones ?
1014 2013-11-18 16:15:17 <TD> i was referring to the comments of the interviewee anyway
1015 2013-11-18 16:16:15 <petertodd> If that alleged assassination market was done with alp's bounty software I might believe it's for real; this just smells like yet another scam.
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1019 2013-11-18 16:17:20 <oneman> gmaxwell: if only more people knew journalists are in the attention market
1020 2013-11-18 16:17:42 <helo> there are a fair number of people that also believe pervasive government controls is equivlane to utopia :/
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1022 2013-11-18 16:17:55 <helo> equivalent too
1023 2013-11-18 16:18:06 <TD> http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/18/bitcoin-senate-hearings-regulation
1024 2013-11-18 16:18:10 <TD> the comments on this piece are interesting.
1025 2013-11-18 16:18:10 <petertodd> helo: shit, some people think utopia is equivalent to utopia
1026 2013-11-18 16:18:19 <helo> heh
1027 2013-11-18 16:18:26 <TD> financial regulation is a huge topic so it all tends to get mashed together in peoples minds.
1028 2013-11-18 16:18:38 <TD> "the financial crisis was caused by insufficient regulation. bitcoin wants to be less regulated. hell no"
1029 2013-11-18 16:18:43 <TD> pretty simple
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1031 2013-11-18 16:19:03 <TD> also money laundering controls have quite a lot of popularity. people don't understand the costs.
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1034 2013-11-18 16:22:35 <kjj> the people in favor of more regulation see every failure as the result of insufficient regulation
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1036 2013-11-18 16:22:55 <kjj> it must take amazing willpower to fail to see how regulation got us into the various messes we are in
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1039 2013-11-18 16:24:15 <andytoshi> kjj: since coming to america and meeting people with such a mindset, it is incredible to see the dissonance
1040 2013-11-18 16:24:21 <andytoshi> very much in denial
1041 2013-11-18 16:24:31 <andytoshi> and importantly, no skin in the game whatsoever
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1047 2013-11-18 16:25:09 <andytoshi> but i don't really see what regulation is possible re bitcoin
1048 2013-11-18 16:25:20 <TD> kjj: do you have a better way to solve the kinds of things banks were doing with peoples money?
1049 2013-11-18 16:25:22 <andytoshi> ofc the large exchanges will follow the rules, but that doesn't matter
1050 2013-11-18 16:25:28 <TD> kjj: (assuming bitcoin does not exist)
1051 2013-11-18 16:25:48 <andytoshi> TD: not hand them printed money and guarantee it via taxpayer
1052 2013-11-18 16:25:48 <kjj> kill the banking monopoly.  give people a meaningful choice in what to do with their money
1053 2013-11-18 16:26:15 <kjj> as it is right now, no one has any choice.  the regulations make all of the banks do more or less the same shit
1054 2013-11-18 16:26:31 <TD> and go back to what banking was like in america, circa 1800?
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1056 2013-11-18 16:26:37 <TD> banking started out unregulated
1057 2013-11-18 16:26:49 <TD> it ended up in the current day situation because of a long history of greedy fuckups where lots of innocent people lost their money
1058 2013-11-18 16:26:51 <kjj> ha!  where do you get that crazy idea?
1059 2013-11-18 16:27:30 <kjj> banking has been regulated since before Roman times
1060 2013-11-18 16:27:32 <TD> just look at the bitcoin world.  people create "bitbanks" (why?!?) and what's the death rate on those like?
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1062 2013-11-18 16:27:49 <TD> hardly in the sense the word is used these days
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1064 2013-11-18 16:28:15 <TD> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildcat_banking
1065 2013-11-18 16:28:16 <kjj> bitcoin banks are a good lesson.  the people losing money in them actually lost money in them.  this makes everyone more careful the next time
1066 2013-11-18 16:28:53 <TD> that's a great lesson ...... *if* you have an alternative. what's the lesson people are supposed to draw from that? sure, in 2013 with bitcoin you can say "be your own bank". but like i said, imagine bitcoin doesn't exist.
1067 2013-11-18 16:29:22 <TD> it's extremely easy to see how banking ended up the way it did. it's a market failure - as a customer it's impossible to judge how trustworthy a bank really is, on an ongoing basis.
1068 2013-11-18 16:29:42 <TD> bitcoiners suck at it for the same reason normal people sucked at it with wildcat banks.
1069 2013-11-18 16:30:10 <RixiM> TD: and people will continue to suck at it.
1070 2013-11-18 16:30:55 <RixiM> "Be your own bank." is never going to work for everyone. Some people just don't have the capacity/resources to make it work.
1071 2013-11-18 16:30:57 <kjj> maybe people that suck at investing shouldn't be investing
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1073 2013-11-18 16:31:22 <TD> RixiM: that may be true. i guess it depends how easy and robust the software becomes.
1074 2013-11-18 16:31:45 <RixiM> Kids get their candy stolen. The weak link is the people not the software.
1075 2013-11-18 16:32:17 <kjj> as interesting as this is, the whole topic is offtime  (sorry Greg, my bad)
1076 2013-11-18 16:32:20 <kjj> er, offtopic
1077 2013-11-18 16:32:33 <petertodd> RixiM: an excellent example is corporations; I think we're going to find that bitcoin banks are a better solution for them, because even something as simple as finding some trusted employees to manage keys is incredibly difficult, while a bank can amortise that cost over all their clients
1078 2013-11-18 16:32:41 <TD> yeah. my point was just, people who instinctively seek financial regulation aren't inherently idiots. there's a long history behind all this stuff.
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1080 2013-11-18 16:33:03 <TD> from el wiki:   During the free banking era, the banks were short-lived compared to today's commercial banks, with an average lifespan of five years. About half of the banks failed, and about a third of which went out of business because they could not redeem their notes.
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1084 2013-11-18 16:33:25 <petertodd> RixiM: not unlike how it's very common for companies to purchase insurance even if they have the ability to self insure - by purchasing insurance they are really purchasing a risk analysis
1085 2013-11-18 16:33:48 <amiller> anyone else planning to attend the hearings in DC today/tomorrow?
1086 2013-11-18 16:34:01 <RixiM> petertodd: yes, ironically, there are companies that sell that analysis to the insurance companies...
1087 2013-11-18 16:34:35 <petertodd> RixiM: yup, as well as re-insurers who insure the insurance companies
1088 2013-11-18 16:34:51 <petertodd> RixiM: almost the same thing really...
1089 2013-11-18 16:35:13 <RixiM> Yeah, I think bitcoin will be robust in the same way.
1090 2013-11-18 16:35:20 <TD> mmm
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1092 2013-11-18 16:35:30 <TD> swiss re is a large, old re-insurer that has headquarters other side of the lake where i live
1093 2013-11-18 16:35:39 <TD> it was nearly wiped out by the financial crisis
1094 2013-11-18 16:35:51 <TD> they did survive
1095 2013-11-18 16:36:29 <petertodd> RixiM: anyway, you can do an excellent job with anti-fraud measures to make bitcoin banks safer and more transparent, problem is it's going to take a few more failures until people really get that stuff
1096 2013-11-18 16:36:29 <TD> and they invested in madoffs ponzi scheme
1097 2013-11-18 16:36:34 <TD> so, risk analysis is hard i guess :)
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1099 2013-11-18 16:37:28 <RixiM> petertodd: it will be difficult to run a btc bank with the difficulty moving so much, the rate slows over time, right?
1100 2013-11-18 16:37:37 <TD> eh, no
1101 2013-11-18 16:37:39 <petertodd> TD: meh, if I have a medium-sized company and am trying to figure out how much I need to set aside for the chance that a customer will slip and fall, buying insurance is going to be a hell of a lot cheaper and more reliable than trying to estimate it myself
1102 2013-11-18 16:37:41 <TD> difficulty is irrelevant to a bitbank
1103 2013-11-18 16:38:06 <TD> sure. i agree. i was responding to the "bitcoin will be robust in the same way" comment :) robustness is .... hard
1104 2013-11-18 16:38:11 <TD> i'm sure there's a joke lurking in there somewhere
1105 2013-11-18 16:38:16 <petertodd> TD: if I'm a farm insurer, buying re-insurance is probably a hell of a lot cheaper and more reliable than trying to maintain my own global warming analysis team
1106 2013-11-18 16:38:26 <TD> of course. insurance isn't going anywhere
1107 2013-11-18 16:38:37 <Apocalyptic> TD, you live in Switzerland ?
1108 2013-11-18 16:38:47 <RixiM> TD: people buy food in something other than btc, for the most part, so difficulty matters...
1109 2013-11-18 16:38:52 <TD> though occasionally i wonder if it could be replaced with a giant, MPC based machine learning model combined with bet markets
1110 2013-11-18 16:39:01 <TD> Apocalyptic: yeah
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1112 2013-11-18 16:39:38 <Apocalyptic> nice, so do I
1113 2013-11-18 16:39:40 <petertodd> TD: the only interesting thing is that re-insurance just increases the chance of a major failure affecting a higher % of the market, but that's not surprising... and we'll see it in bitbanks as corporations catch onto the fact that their internal security isn't good enough, because again, you'll have occasional high-profile failures affecting thousands
1114 2013-11-18 16:40:03 <TD> Apocalyptic: whereabouts?
1115 2013-11-18 16:40:11 <Apocalyptic> near Lausanne
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1118 2013-11-18 16:40:56 <Apocalyptic> what about you ?
1119 2013-11-18 16:41:02 <TD> zurich
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1176 2013-11-18 17:34:16 <EC2020> Hey
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1178 2013-11-18 17:35:30 <EC2020> Anyone know if its possible to decompile bitcoin on windows?
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1181 2013-11-18 17:36:25 <wumpus> decompile? you know it's open source right?
1182 2013-11-18 17:36:30 <EC2020> Yeah
1183 2013-11-18 17:36:48 <EC2020> But when i download the master off github
1184 2013-11-18 17:36:53 <EC2020> what do i do with it?
1185 2013-11-18 17:36:55 <wumpus> I guess you can open it in Ida pro and decompile it with somethling like hex rays
1186 2013-11-18 17:37:41 <Ryan52> EC2020: what form do you want the code in?
1187 2013-11-18 17:37:47 <wumpus> but it'd be pretty pointless, we use a distributed trusted build using gitian so the binaries should be trustable
1188 2013-11-18 17:38:18 <EC2020> No i wan't to make a cryptocurrency like litecoin/feathercoin for a Uni-Project
1189 2013-11-18 17:38:58 <helo> why do you want to decompile it?
1190 2013-11-18 17:39:06 <helo> ohhh, he must mean "compile"
1191 2013-11-18 17:39:07 <EC2020> and preferably C++ C# or Python
1192 2013-11-18 17:39:10 <Ryan52> EC2020: So, do you just want to see the C source code? It is publicly browsable on github.
1193 2013-11-18 17:39:10 <wumpus> EC2020: follow the build instructions in doc/build-msw.md
1194 2013-11-18 17:39:41 <wumpus> note that for releases we cross-compile from linux, I'm not sure anyone is building natively on windows, or at least if those instructions are fully up-to-date
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1196 2013-11-18 17:39:53 <Ryan52> EC2020: I believe you can download a tar.gz or zip from there and extract the source files, or you can use "git clone" to checkout the git repository locally.
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1200 2013-11-18 17:40:51 <BlueMatt> Im assuming this has been pasted already, but http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/Currenci will have the testimony at 3 when it airs
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1202 2013-11-18 17:41:17 <EC2020> But what program do you reccomend for editing the source?
1203 2013-11-18 17:41:25 <BlueMatt> a text editor?
1204 2013-11-18 17:41:46 <EC2020> So not Visual Stuido?
1205 2013-11-18 17:42:15 <wumpus> it's recommended to build using mingw, no one is using MSVC to built it
1206 2013-11-18 17:42:24 <wumpus> but you can of course use visual studio for editing
1207 2013-11-18 17:43:12 <EC2020> What do you reccommend then?
1208 2013-11-18 17:43:26 <wumpus> whatever text editor you like, I use vim myself
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1210 2013-11-18 17:45:00 <EC2020> If i built the code now would it have a gui interface?
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1212 2013-11-18 17:45:36 <BlueMatt> its recommended you use linux, realy
1213 2013-11-18 17:45:45 <BlueMatt> best way is to spin up a linux vm and edit there
1214 2013-11-18 17:45:53 <EC2020> kk
1215 2013-11-18 17:45:57 <BlueMatt> its easier to build for windows from linux than it is to build on windows....
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1217 2013-11-18 17:46:41 <wumpus> if configure can find qt it will build the GUI by default
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1219 2013-11-18 17:47:38 <EC2020> Hang on im downloading a ubunto iso now
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1221 2013-11-18 17:47:56 <EC2020> Or i could use a raspberry Pi :)
1222 2013-11-18 17:48:25 <wumpus> for compiling? that will be really slow
1223 2013-11-18 17:48:45 <EC2020> ik
1224 2013-11-18 17:48:51 <EC2020> i was only joking :)
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1255 2013-11-18 18:20:07 <bitnumus> i'm still getting problem with blockchain copying to a RPI and BBB
1256 2013-11-18 18:20:14 <bitnumus> what exactly would cause it to need reindexing ?
1257 2013-11-18 18:21:02 <sipa> can you paste a debug.log again?
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1260 2013-11-18 18:26:39 <bitnumus> what does reindexing do again ?
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1264 2013-11-18 18:29:47 <sipa> verify the chain
1265 2013-11-18 18:30:02 <bitnumus> so if i copied a perfectly working version
1266 2013-11-18 18:30:07 <bitnumus> why would it instantly need reindexing ?
1267 2013-11-18 18:30:10 <sipa> it wouldn't
1268 2013-11-18 18:30:11 <bitnumus> how could it get corrupted?
1269 2013-11-18 18:30:16 <sipa> that's why i ask for a debug.log
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1272 2013-11-18 18:31:13 <bitnumus> ok, i can do it all again and get you logs, been trying all day again
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1278 2013-11-18 18:34:13 <sipa> why can't you do so now?
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1280 2013-11-18 18:34:25 <sipa> if you say it asked for reindexing, it must have failed processing it
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1286 2013-11-18 18:39:14 <bitnumus> sipa, i've done it many times today
1287 2013-11-18 18:39:31 <bitnumus> ditched most of old logs as i went
1288 2013-11-18 18:39:31 <bitnumus> :S
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1308 2013-11-18 19:00:17 <bitnumus> sipa, PM'ed you paste
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1338 2013-11-18 19:35:50 <sipa> bitnumus: ok, maybe that's just an issue with leveldb on arm
1339 2013-11-18 19:36:04 <sipa> if you really copied things over cleanly, there's no reason that would happen
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1345 2013-11-18 19:38:45 <gmaxwell> sipa: I wasn't of the belief that leveldb files were very portable between systems, I thought they didn't work between x86_64 and x86, for example, though someone was recently telling me it did.
1346 2013-11-18 19:38:47 <bitnumus> hmm, so try building berkeley4.8 again ?
1347 2013-11-18 19:39:22 <bitnumus> hmmm
1348 2013-11-18 19:39:39 <bitnumus> maybe the best thing here to do then, is install the same OS on a better machine and download the chain, then copy iot ?
1349 2013-11-18 19:39:48 <sipa> bitnumus: BDB has nothing to do with it
1350 2013-11-18 19:39:52 <sipa> gmaxwell: that surprises me
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1352 2013-11-18 19:40:00 <sipa> gmaxwell: the file format is documented at the byte level
1353 2013-11-18 19:40:12 <bitnumus> levelDB, where am i getting confused?
1354 2013-11-18 19:40:37 <sipa> there may be an issue with ARM LevelDB
1355 2013-11-18 19:40:48 <sipa> as that's pretty much untested
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1357 2013-11-18 19:41:13 <bitnumus> so, where is BDB used?
1358 2013-11-18 19:41:17 <sipa> for the wallet
1359 2013-11-18 19:41:20 <bitnumus> right
1360 2013-11-18 19:41:20 <sipa> not your problem
1361 2013-11-18 19:41:21 <bitnumus> gotcha
1362 2013-11-18 19:41:25 <bitnumus> hmm
1363 2013-11-18 19:41:38 <bitnumus> i see no mention in docs about levelDB version
1364 2013-11-18 19:41:40 <bitnumus> what should it be?
1365 2013-11-18 19:41:48 <sipa> it's included in the bitcoin source
1366 2013-11-18 19:41:55 <sipa> so not the problem either
1367 2013-11-18 19:42:06 <sipa> you're probably better off talking to people who have experience running it on an RPi
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1369 2013-11-18 19:42:36 <bitnumus> not many around hehe
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1389 2013-11-18 20:01:12 <Ferroh> gmaxwell: CoinJoin bounty went from 18 to 31 BTC today https://blockchain.info/address/3M8XGFBKwkf7miBzpkU3x2DoWwAVrD1mhk
1390 2013-11-18 20:01:21 <Ferroh> Hopefully that means my reddit post last night helped.
1391 2013-11-18 20:01:31 <gmaxwell> Ferroh: thank you! (link to reddit post?)
1392 2013-11-18 20:01:53 <Ferroh> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1qujrz/want_to_do_something_to_solve_the_coinvalidation/
1393 2013-11-18 20:02:25 <Ferroh> I may have slightly exaggerated CoinJoin's ability to inhibit CoInvalidation
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1397 2013-11-18 20:05:22 <helo> (comittee meeting on virtual currencies starting now)
1398 2013-11-18 20:05:24 <BlueMatt> http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN3/
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1400 2013-11-18 20:07:15 <gmaxwell> Ferroh: impact depends on how widely used it is.
1401 2013-11-18 20:07:41 <Ferroh> Yeah and my arguments were basically like this: "if 99% of users are using coinjoin, then coinvalidation is greatly inhibited"
1402 2013-11-18 20:07:55 <Ferroh> I'm not actually sure how widely adopted it would be.
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1404 2013-11-18 20:08:04 <Ferroh> But in theory a better implementation would lead to higher adoption
1405 2013-11-18 20:08:54 <gmaxwell> Ferroh: I'd agree with that argument, but how realistic a given usage level is unclear.
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1407 2013-11-18 20:09:10 <Ferroh> ultimately IMHO, the only long term solution would require a fork, as eventually an authority could just demand that you not use CoinJoin
1408 2013-11-18 20:09:18 <Ferroh> (or whatever other thing you are using)
1409 2013-11-18 20:09:26 <Ferroh> please tell me I'm wrong though
1410 2013-11-18 20:09:42 <gmaxwell> Ferroh: you can't distinguish 'casual' CJ transactions from random normal ones.
1411 2013-11-18 20:10:17 <Ferroh> But you can say "I won't accept ANY CJ transactions of any type."
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1414 2013-11-18 20:10:56 <gmaxwell> Ferroh: you can't do that. You can't tell if its CJ or not. (All you could hope to do is demand whitelisting, and no forking can really prevent that)
1415 2013-11-18 20:11:45 <Ferroh> But you can construct transactions that are clearly not CJ, right?
1416 2013-11-18 20:12:50 <Ferroh> Thus you can say "I will only accept transactions that are clearly not CJ transactions"
1417 2013-11-18 20:13:09 <gmaxwell> Ferroh: only by severely limting the usefulness of bitcoin.
1418 2013-11-18 20:13:25 <gmaxwell> e.g. single input/output or all inputs the same pubkey.
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1428 2013-11-18 20:17:47 <TD> bounties :(
1429 2013-11-18 20:18:00 <TD> damn it. why can't people write proper design documents first?
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1432 2013-11-18 20:18:29 <Ferroh> Yeah it's not 100% clear what the bounty is exactly for
1433 2013-11-18 20:18:41 <Ferroh> especially since coinjoin has already been implemented
1434 2013-11-18 20:19:14 <RixiM> TD: +1
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1436 2013-11-18 20:19:54 <Ferroh> http://sx.dyne.org/anontx/ is very untested though
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1440 2013-11-18 20:20:43 * TD orders a "SuisseID"
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1445 2013-11-18 20:24:18 <TD> lol. "Identity checkpoint: * Includes the following sentence on the ID document copy: “Original inspected by [first name, surname, organisation]” e.g. Jane Bloggs, Sample Town post office"
1446 2013-11-18 20:24:21 <TD> Jane Bloggs of Sample Town?
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1448 2013-11-18 20:24:28 <TD> this document was truly written by an engineer
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1470 2013-11-18 21:06:56 <dmzpkts> Hello, I received a tx from a friend yesterday, their wallet for whatever reason did not include a tx fee.  Needless to say its still unconfirmed, and its been over 24 hours.  Are there any solo miners or pool op's here who would be willing to help me and push the tx?
1471 2013-11-18 21:07:34 <BlueMatt> Luke-Jr, probably
1472 2013-11-18 21:07:43 <Luke-Jr> ?
1473 2013-11-18 21:07:48 <dmzpkts> ohai Luke
1474 2013-11-18 21:08:06 <Luke-Jr> oh, off-topic..
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1476 2013-11-18 21:11:58 <BlueMatt> I assumed Luke-Jr had an interface he could use to charge to throw a tx in eligius' blocks
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1481 2013-11-18 21:14:58 <petertodd> Ferroh: if you look around the blockchain it seems that bc.i's coinjoin implementation is being used fairly often
1482 2013-11-18 21:15:15 <kuzetsa> dmzpkts: I seem to recal the new defaults for bitcoin-qt is for zero fee by default
1483 2013-11-18 21:15:42 <dmzpkts> kuzetsa: that seems somehow backwards. lol. and they were indeed using a qt wallet.
1484 2013-11-18 21:16:39 <Apocalyptic> kuzetsa, it's 0 if the tx is high priority enough
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1489 2013-11-18 21:19:01 <kuzetsa> Apocalyptic: that seems kinda slly though, considering the pools and solo miners are configured (even "zero" is a possible setting) to include some amonut of non-fee transactions sorted by priority, and even "really low priority" can still make it into blocks eventually
1490 2013-11-18 21:19:04 <kuzetsa> *silly
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1492 2013-11-18 21:19:37 <kuzetsa> "high priority enough" is completely arbitrary, and always a moving target
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1494 2013-11-18 21:19:48 <Apocalyptic> I agree
1495 2013-11-18 21:20:06 <Apocalyptic> but then any fee policy you think of is arbitrary
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1498 2013-11-18 21:21:06 <kuzetsa> for that matter, there is a non-zero number of mining pools which simply don't pay any fees to the miners
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1500 2013-11-18 21:21:30 <kuzetsa> so in those cases, picking a value for how much fees should be isn't even related to the cost of mining
1501 2013-11-18 21:22:35 <dmzpkts> kuzetsa: i like your quantifications... "non-zero number"  although for perfect clarity it should have been "non-zero positive number" because otherwise what you specified could have been negative, but in reality thats just silly.
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1503 2013-11-18 21:23:36 <kuzetsa> maybe if you count negative pools where not only to fees from the mined transactions not get paid to miners, but there's also a <some percentage> fee off the top of the block subsidy?
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1505 2013-11-18 21:24:13 <kuzetsa> s/to/no
1506 2013-11-18 21:24:24 <kuzetsa> or maybe I meant "do"
1507 2013-11-18 21:24:46 <kuzetsa> I can't remember what word that typo was originalyl meant to be
1508 2013-11-18 21:25:35 <dmzpkts> that could also work.
1509 2013-11-18 21:25:50 <kuzetsa> philisophically speaking, some cultures don't believe in negative numbers
1510 2013-11-18 21:26:02 <dmzpkts> makes sense, they cant physically exist.
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1512 2013-11-18 21:26:09 <kuzetsa> pretty much
1513 2013-11-18 21:26:32 <dmzpkts> i wonder if those cultures have things like debt?
1514 2013-11-18 21:26:40 <kuzetsa> but when you get into advanced math, it can be important to have the option to use a negative coefficient when it's the only way to do a calculation
1515 2013-11-18 21:29:02 <kuzetsa> whee! anthropology and the liberal arts
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1520 2013-11-18 21:32:02 <kjj> ok, the good part is starting now
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1525 2013-11-18 21:34:08 <kjj> my summary of part 1:  "none of us have authority over bitcoin, except where it crosses into our particular realm"
1526 2013-11-18 21:34:37 <gmaxwell> kjj: I can't listen, so I'm thankful for summaries. :)
1527 2013-11-18 21:35:45 <kjj> FinCEN, DoJ and SS all said that they are busy enforcing their rules where virtual currencies intersect their interests
1528 2013-11-18 21:36:00 <BlueMatt> kjj: and "we think the regulation that covers the realm we are charged with covering is sufficient atm"
1529 2013-11-18 21:36:05 <toffoo> is that jgarzik sitting in the background there on cspan?
1530 2013-11-18 21:36:18 <kjj> but all three also said they do not have any particular widespread authority over it outside of those intersection points
1531 2013-11-18 21:36:21 <BlueMatt> toffoo: yes!
1532 2013-11-18 21:36:54 <kjj> BlueMatt: yeah, I was a bit surprised to see them say that existing laws and tools were working.
1533 2013-11-18 21:37:20 <gmaxwell> toffoo: jgarzik is there, yes.
1534 2013-11-18 21:37:28 <kjj> yup, he's on screen right now
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1536 2013-11-18 21:37:52 <BlueMatt> he's like second row
1537 2013-11-18 21:38:12 <BlueMatt> kjj: to be fair, existing laws are pretty far-reaching, so saying they have sufficient authority is pretty obvious...
1538 2013-11-18 21:38:15 <kjj> he looks bored, but I think that is partly the codec deprioritizing his portion of the frame
1539 2013-11-18 21:38:33 <TD> h.264 works by compressing emotion out of whatever it encodes
1540 2013-11-18 21:38:35 <gmaxwell> 'Everyone is already a felon, Q.E.D. the laws are sufficient'
1541 2013-11-18 21:38:43 <kjj> who has his cell phone number?  heh
1542 2013-11-18 21:38:48 * TD goes to watch a tv show about drug dealers
1543 2013-11-18 21:38:50 <gmaxwell> "Emotion compensation"
1544 2013-11-18 21:38:55 <TD> lol
1545 2013-11-18 21:39:01 <kjj> gmaxwell: if that theory held, they could have stopped 30-50 years ago
1546 2013-11-18 21:39:15 <gmaxwell> kjj: but then how would lawmakers get paid?
1547 2013-11-18 21:39:55 <kjj> gmaxwell: inflation, just like now
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1549 2013-11-18 21:41:23 <Luke-Jr> anyone have a flash-free feed?
1550 2013-11-18 21:41:54 <kjj> does your cable provider carry CSPAN-3?
1551 2013-11-18 21:42:04 <Luke-Jr> they provide internet
1552 2013-11-18 21:42:19 <Diablo-D3> http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN3/
1553 2013-11-18 21:42:26 <Diablo-D3> patrick murck is on
1554 2013-11-18 21:42:31 <Luke-Jr> that's flash
1555 2013-11-18 21:43:18 <kjj> heh.  Murck starts talking, gox price jumps
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1558 2013-11-18 21:44:51 <gjs278> we did it everybody. we convinced the government our fake money was worth something and we can all cash out now. show's over folks, time to head on home
1559 2013-11-18 21:45:28 <gjs278> this is payback for their inflation
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1562 2013-11-18 21:48:25 <Diablo-D3> hey
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1564 2013-11-18 21:48:32 <Diablo-D3> does murck have an irc nick?
1565 2013-11-18 21:48:36 <groglogic> *phew* thank goodness. this charade's been hard to keep up
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1567 2013-11-18 21:50:12 <Ry4an> :)
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1574 2013-11-18 21:56:06 <damethos> Luke-Jr, just bumped into this and thought u might wanna read it https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=265488.msg3625848#msg3625848
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1580 2013-11-18 21:58:26 <Luke-Jr> damethos: lol, thanks - it's hilarious
1581 2013-11-18 21:58:40 <damethos> heh thats what i thought :)
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1591 2013-11-18 22:06:25 <groglogic> love the phrase: "and congress will find a nice middle road which works for all of society". I do love fairy tales
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1594 2013-11-18 22:06:56 <tgs3> groglogic: "as we always do"   :D
1595 2013-11-18 22:07:09 <tgs3> worked really well with ganja
1596 2013-11-18 22:07:18 <tgs3> alcohol in 1920's(afair)
1597 2013-11-18 22:07:24 <tgs3> and in general everything they regulate
1598 2013-11-18 22:07:33 <groglogic> that article: not sure if he's talking about Luke Skywalker, or Luke-Jr
1599 2013-11-18 22:08:15 <kjj> I'd pitch in for a bounty to get mastercoin their own forums, provided they leave ours for good
1600 2013-11-18 22:08:32 <groglogic> yeah I really love that Congress keeps doing with the budget every year. that's working really well for all of society. over and over and over and over and...
1601 2013-11-18 22:09:25 <groglogic> I'd gladly pitch in 5 trillion UberCoin to see that happen
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1625 2013-11-18 22:29:30 <sipa> heh, now they're discussing satoshi...
1626 2013-11-18 22:30:10 <sipa> "You don't think it's Al Gore, don't you?"
1627 2013-11-18 22:30:13 <kjj> heh
1628 2013-11-18 22:30:15 <BlueMatt> oh god
1629 2013-11-18 22:30:28 <Diablo-D3> al gore
1630 2013-11-18 22:30:29 <Diablo-D3> =/
1631 2013-11-18 22:30:30 <warren> IT MAKES SENSE.
1632 2013-11-18 22:30:36 <kjj> in my opinion, they are really talking about you, sipa
1633 2013-11-18 22:30:45 <sipa> heh?
1634 2013-11-18 22:31:16 <kjj> my understanding is that you are responsible for the most lines of code in the source now, so it was mostly you that replaced more than half of the original code they are talking about
1635 2013-11-18 22:31:24 <petertodd> Ah right, he wants to deflate the currency, and world temperatures!
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1637 2013-11-18 22:32:02 <sipa> kjj: perhaps
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1640 2013-11-18 22:32:23 <kjj> I haven't checked, but I bet that you've replaced more than half of the 8 or so lines that I contributed too
1641 2013-11-18 22:32:24 <BlueMatt> bitcoind is mostly sipa at this point, which makes me happy about the code quality :)
1642 2013-11-18 22:32:44 <BlueMatt> kjj: welcome to the club, and Ive written far more than 8
1643 2013-11-18 22:33:09 <sipa> BlueMatt: i don't consider it the nicest codebase still :p
1644 2013-11-18 22:33:11 <kjj> haha.  I guess that makes us members of a small-ish club founded by Satoshi
1645 2013-11-18 22:33:17 <petertodd> It's a good thing I only contribute test cases and spelling fixes - I'm safe.
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1647 2013-11-18 22:33:37 <BlueMatt> sipa: well, 100x better than when satoshi left
1648 2013-11-18 22:33:38 <kjj> charter members of the "Sipa replaced half my code" club
1649 2013-11-18 22:34:07 <BlueMatt> petertodd: well, then you dont get the thrill of finding out you added fun security vulns in bitcoind :p
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1652 2013-11-18 22:34:20 <kjj> hearing done
1653 2013-11-18 22:34:25 <petertodd> BlueMatt: lol, well I did the one time...
1654 2013-11-18 22:34:39 <kjj> hopefully someone will be posting captures soon
1655 2013-11-18 22:34:50 <petertodd> kjj: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1qx3yr/for_those_not_in_us_cspan3_hearing_bitcoin/
1656 2013-11-18 22:34:53 <warren> I missed the first panel.
1657 2013-11-18 22:34:57 <warren> was it that cordial?
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1659 2013-11-18 22:35:11 <BlueMatt> warren: first one was summed up perfectly in two lines above...
1660 2013-11-18 22:35:21 <BlueMatt> <kjj> my summary of part 1:  "none of us have authority over bitcoin, except where it crosses into our particular realm"
1661 2013-11-18 22:35:25 <BlueMatt> <BlueMatt> kjj: and "we think the regulation that covers the realm we are charged with covering is sufficient atm"
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1664 2013-11-18 22:35:35 <warren> wow
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1666 2013-11-18 22:35:44 <petertodd> remarkable statements
1667 2013-11-18 22:35:52 <BlueMatt> (from fincen, secret service, fbi)
1668 2013-11-18 22:35:59 <warren> Here's what to expect ... the banking industry will push hard with lobbying to curtail this threat to their business.
1669 2013-11-18 22:36:21 <Optimo> good job all
1670 2013-11-18 22:36:30 <kjj> god, I hope they do.  I don't think that many bankers grew up reading about B'rer Rabbit and the Tar Baby
1671 2013-11-18 22:36:38 <petertodd> warren: I wouldn't assume it's as much of a threat as you'd think you know
1672 2013-11-18 22:36:38 <warren> In general I'm a lot more concerned about hostile companies than government.
1673 2013-11-18 22:37:16 <petertodd> warren: assessing credit risks isn't something you can do with an algorithm...
1674 2013-11-18 22:37:26 <warren> they tried to =)
1675 2013-11-18 22:37:37 <warren> how well did that work out?
1676 2013-11-18 22:37:42 <petertodd> ha, s/algorithm/fixed in stone distributed consensus algorithm/
1677 2013-11-18 22:38:10 <kjj> AFK to drive home
1678 2013-11-18 22:38:26 <Optimo> commonsense may prevail
1679 2013-11-18 22:39:08 <petertodd> Banks make money in a huge variety of ways - transferring money from one place to another is only one part of that, and as you know I'm not in the slightest convinced that Bitcoin does a good job of that anyway.
1680 2013-11-18 22:39:40 <Optimo> i was thinkin visa will be the hardest pushback
1681 2013-11-18 22:40:02 <petertodd> Optimo: visa provides something consumers love that bitcoin can't: chargebacks
1682 2013-11-18 22:40:27 <Optimo> doesnt mean they wont fight it :)
1683 2013-11-18 22:40:51 <Optimo> they need to write their fork, visacoin and be done with it
1684 2013-11-18 22:41:15 <petertodd> blockchains are only appropriate if you need distributed consensus
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1686 2013-11-18 22:41:34 <Optimo> the fork would leave out big parts
1687 2013-11-18 22:41:41 <warren> chargeback and fraud is a huge expense to vendors.  If Bitcoin allows them to charge a lower price as that expense is removed, then we have a chance.
1688 2013-11-18 22:41:43 <groglogic> well, you can write a "chargeback"-able service on top of Bitcoin. delegated middleman accounts, escrow and all that
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1690 2013-11-18 22:42:08 <Optimo> the escrow capabilities still are fascinating
1691 2013-11-18 22:42:24 <groglogic> which is exactly how the banks work now. it's "your" money they have. unless they/gov/merchant want to muck with it against your wishes. then it's not.
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1693 2013-11-18 22:42:30 <groglogic> Optimo: agreed
1694 2013-11-18 22:42:42 <warren> anyway sorry, this isn't dev discussion, we should move to #bitcoin
1695 2013-11-18 22:42:57 <sipa> petertodd: i think that if the banking industry would get their act together, and redo all the transferring infrastructure that has been built up and modernize it, it would trivially compete with bitcoin
1696 2013-11-18 22:43:04 <sipa> in term of efficiency and cost
1697 2013-11-18 22:43:04 <groglogic> warren: true
1698 2013-11-18 22:43:17 <Optimo> everybody fork!
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1700 2013-11-18 22:43:41 <Optimo> war of the coons has only just begun
1701 2013-11-18 22:43:44 <petertodd> sipa: me too. and for non-reversable payments, I always like to point out the example of mintchip, which could seriously impact bitcoin's transactional usecase
1702 2013-11-18 22:43:44 <Optimo> coins
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1704 2013-11-18 22:44:14 <Optimo> sipa. if you did all that code, kudos and genuine thanks.
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1706 2013-11-18 22:44:31 <sipa> part of what makes bitcoin interesting to many, is not that it is distributed or decentralized, but that it is new
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1711 2013-11-18 22:45:18 <petertodd> sipa: for sure, especially with investor interest
1712 2013-11-18 22:45:19 <sipa> Optimo: far from all of it, but thanks :)
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1715 2013-11-18 22:47:12 <Optimo> this is only the start. exciting
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1717 2013-11-18 22:47:33 <Anduck> hmm
1718 2013-11-18 22:47:46 <Anduck> when using bitcoind api, how can i bypass some arguments?
1719 2013-11-18 22:47:56 <sipa> elaborate?
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1721 2013-11-18 22:48:23 <Anduck> for example listtransactions
1722 2013-11-18 22:48:38 <etotheipi_> sipa, gmaxwell, Luke-Jr:  just found a malicious clone of the Armory website at btcarmory.org
1723 2013-11-18 22:48:43 <Anduck> i'd like to do listtransactions <anyaccount> 10 0
1724 2013-11-18 22:48:49 <sipa> Anduck: pass "*" as account
1725 2013-11-18 22:48:50 <etotheipi_> any recommendations for how I should deal with it?
1726 2013-11-18 22:48:54 <Anduck> ok thx sipa
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1728 2013-11-18 22:49:22 <etotheipi_> it looks like it's registered in Panama.... they're definitely distributing malware
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1733 2013-11-18 22:54:02 <AndyOfiesh> ...
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1736 2013-11-18 22:55:41 <Luke-Jr> etotheipi_: I've never found a solution to stop people from doing that :/
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1739 2013-11-18 22:58:13 <etotheipi_> Luke-Jr: that's unfortunate
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1741 2013-11-18 22:58:41 <Luke-Jr> etotheipi_: I hope they aren't using your code - antivirus programs like to flag the legit code along with the malware :/
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1744 2013-11-18 23:03:19 <theymos> My unmodified bitcoind on Gentoo seems to have had its database spontaneously corrupted. ("Displayed transactions may not be correct!") Is this a known problem? Do you want any of my block database stuff? I don't have the debug.log from the time of DB corruption.
1745 2013-11-18 23:04:00 <Luke-Jr> theymos: version? from portage, or self-built?
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1747 2013-11-18 23:04:27 <theymos> "Bitcoin version v0.8.5.0-gef14a26-beta" Self-built.
1748 2013-11-18 23:04:47 <Luke-Jr> filesystem?
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