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   3 2013-11-28 00:04:34 <berndj> melvster, i was thinking along the same lines, and thought the best thing (for the health of the bitcoin ecosystem) would be to get some really good open source web wallet and exchange codebases going
   4 2013-11-28 00:05:02 <berndj> because there are going to be web wallets and exchanges, i don't think we have a choice in that, so they might as well be good ones
   5 2013-11-28 00:05:09 <melvster> berndj: i could code up either i think ...
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   7 2013-11-28 00:05:29 <melvster> but id like to wait for 2 things re: wallets ... 1) trezor 2) web crypto API
   8 2013-11-28 00:05:36 <melvster> both coming early 2014
   9 2013-11-28 00:05:45 <berndj> and the existence of both would be a good anti-centralization bulwark
  10 2013-11-28 00:06:15 <berndj> do you mean a browser-based crypto api?
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  12 2013-11-28 00:07:00 <melvster> bernddj: yes browser crypto api
  13 2013-11-28 00:07:04 <berndj> melvster, how will trezor's timeline affect what you (should / would / could) do?
  14 2013-11-28 00:07:27 <melvster> berndj: just wanna try it out ... ive ordered 16 ... probably far too many! :)
  15 2013-11-28 00:07:42 <berndj> melvster, we also don't get to choose whether IE 7 (phew, at least we can think of ignoring 6) is around or not
  16 2013-11-28 00:08:03 <melvster> i dont use windows so im not hugely concerned about that
  17 2013-11-28 00:08:11 <melvster> (personally)
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  19 2013-11-28 00:08:43 <berndj> i'd hate to look back in 5 years and see that all we've done is to replace the "Visa / Mastercard" dual sticker in store windows with a "Bitpay / Coinbase" sticker
  20 2013-11-28 00:09:04 <berndj> yeah, neither do it, but the (desired) ecosystem does
  21 2013-11-28 00:09:16 <melvster> berndj: so a distributed exchange is something i think i can build and open source ... i have some basic prototypes going, but it needs a rewrite based on what i have learnt, what about existing things like mastercoin?
  22 2013-11-28 00:09:54 <melvster> ive helped build exchanges before, but for corporations ... i can do an open source version
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  24 2013-11-28 00:10:47 <berndj> have you looked at OpenTransactions?
  25 2013-11-28 00:10:59 <sipa> for a corporation writing an exchange is probably a small cost compared to the cost of setting a business, getting legal compliance, auditing security, ...
  26 2013-11-28 00:11:03 <melvster> berndj: of course ... donated 30 btc to it :)
  27 2013-11-28 00:11:14 <berndj> i haven't looked long enough to know whether it has relevance for a post-7tps bitcoin world
  28 2013-11-28 00:11:33 <shamoon> http://bitcoinfees.com/
  29 2013-11-28 00:11:40 <shamoon> has 4 metrics for paying fees
  30 2013-11-28 00:11:43 <berndj> sipa, *for a well-funded corporation
  31 2013-11-28 00:12:05 <shamoon> if i don't prioritise old-coins
  32 2013-11-28 00:12:06 <melvster> sipa: yes very true ... it was a large company so they had the legal stuff covered, i worked in financial services in the 90s
  33 2013-11-28 00:12:37 <shamoon> will the tx eventually send?
  34 2013-11-28 00:12:40 <shamoon> once the blocks age out?
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  36 2013-11-28 00:13:29 <melvster> berndj: OT is awesome, but probably off topic for this channel there's an opentransactions IRC chat room
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  38 2013-11-28 00:13:43 <melvster> I can say it's being actively developed
  39 2013-11-28 00:13:48 <gavinandresen> shamoon: nice.  Also:  https://gist.github.com/gavinandresen/7670433
  40 2013-11-28 00:13:53 <melvster> and there's room to integrate with btc
  41 2013-11-28 00:14:21 <berndj> sipa, while the dev cost is negligible for a corporation that's already committed to being an exchange, it could be a big chunk of the cost of getting to the point that you get the commitment to sort out the legal / auditing stuff
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  44 2013-11-28 00:18:00 <melvster> in truth there's a split of cost between what's called "front office" , "middle office" and "back office" ... front office makes the software that generates income, middle office handles the downstream processing of trades, back office handles legal and auditing, the last 2 are cost centers, you want to have a good balance of development to generate revenue and that to do the due dilligence
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  65 2013-11-28 00:41:15 <warren> gavinandresen: ACK on 0.8.6 proposed changes
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 238 2013-11-28 04:39:41 <toffoo> oh ya baby: thanks so much gavinandresen, I just ordered my very first alpaca socks with the 0.05 BTC your fountain sent me in march/2011 ... it seemed so worthless at the time, and now I have socks
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 240 2013-11-28 04:45:25 <warren> toffoo: hey
 241 2013-11-28 04:45:36 <warren> toffoo: how went that binary?
 242 2013-11-28 04:45:48 <warren> toffoo: a completely different fix was made since then, we need testing of another build
 243 2013-11-28 04:45:54 <toffoo> hi warren,
 244 2013-11-28 04:46:04 <toffoo> yes I was going to ask you about that
 245 2013-11-28 04:46:47 <warren> toffoo: did this recent build corrupt at all?
 246 2013-11-28 04:47:17 <toffoo> I haven't gotten too far with it yet,
 247 2013-11-28 04:47:22 <toffoo> still reindexing
 248 2013-11-28 04:48:04 <toffoo> should I continue with the first binary or is the second really the one I should be testing?
 249 2013-11-28 04:48:17 <warren> really the second, but curious about the first
 250 2013-11-28 04:48:40 <warren> toffoo: I'll make a new build now.
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 350 2013-11-28 07:41:46 <beethoven8201> ;;tslb
 351 2013-11-28 07:41:48 <gribble> Time since last block: 2 hours, 33 minutes, and 29 seconds
 352 2013-11-28 07:42:05 <beethoven8201> is that TSLB accurate guys?
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 354 2013-11-28 07:43:08 <beethoven8201> I think no
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 358 2013-11-28 07:49:26 <warren> beethoven8201: looks like blockchain.info broke
 359 2013-11-28 07:49:32 <warren> beethoven8201: and the bot relies on it
 360 2013-11-28 07:49:39 <beethoven8201> ok
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 366 2013-11-28 07:57:24 <edcba> hmm bitcoin-qt doesn't respect chosen language for displaying last block time
 367 2013-11-28 07:57:42 <edcba> jeu. 28. nov. 08:47:13 2013
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 450 2013-11-28 09:56:33 <warren> http://download1.rpmfusion.org/~warren/bitcoin-0.8.5-OMG5/
 451 2013-11-28 09:57:05 <warren> https://github.com/litecoin-project/bitcoinomg/commits/0.8.5-OMG5
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 468 2013-11-28 10:13:23 <toffoo> warren got it, many thanks, I'll check in later today with an update
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 492 2013-11-28 10:42:10 <diki> I am writing my own blockchain parser. But I am encountering a really weird bug.
 493 2013-11-28 10:42:27 <diki> it works on the genesis block
 494 2013-11-28 10:43:06 <diki> but I decided to try it out on an older block, I chose this one https://blockchain.info/block-index/233150/0000000000000208843fd654bd8087d86773c34333bea46f735f93fff554c7ba
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 497 2013-11-28 10:43:52 <diki> The offset of the block in my blk00000.dat file is 1642744123, so I manually fseek to that location and fread 4 bytes(the magic bytes).
 498 2013-11-28 10:44:29 <diki> immediately after the fread I am all of a sudden on offset 1642747711
 499 2013-11-28 10:44:35 <diki> that is many many bytes ahead
 500 2013-11-28 10:44:43 <diki> I am not sure why this is happening.
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 503 2013-11-28 10:45:38 <sipa> can you paste the code somewhere?
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 507 2013-11-28 10:47:30 <warren> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=337294  MacOS users, please test this build.  Theoretically it no longer corrupts your database.  Need confirmation.
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 509 2013-11-28 10:47:50 <diki> sipa:http://pastebin.com/iFxWqtFz
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 511 2013-11-28 10:48:30 <darsie> hey
 512 2013-11-28 10:49:17 <darsie> Could a too low or no tx fee cause a tx not to be spread  in the net?
 513 2013-11-28 10:49:36 <diki> darsie:Miners may chose to ignore it, yes.
 514 2013-11-28 10:49:59 <darsie> not put it in blocks. Also not spread it?
 515 2013-11-28 10:50:34 <sipa> if you don't match the relay rules of nodes, yes
 516 2013-11-28 10:50:40 <sipa> i.e. if they consider it spam
 517 2013-11-28 10:50:51 <darsie> Mtgox made a 0.001 btc tx fee mandatory, because some of their tx wouldn't propagate in the net.
 518 2013-11-28 10:51:27 <TD> 0.001 is 10x higher than the minimum. their relay issues were afaik due to protocol violations rather than insufficient fees
 519 2013-11-28 10:51:32 <gmaxwell> darsie: mtgox had unrelated problems, they were producing outright invalid transactions.
 520 2013-11-28 10:51:46 <darsie> 11:11:09 <ctimmerm> is there any way to withdraw BTC from mtgox without network fee?
 521 2013-11-28 10:51:46 <darsie> 11:13:00 <@SarahCoinBit> ctimmerm: Not anymore sorry, the transactions were not getting processed
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 523 2013-11-28 10:52:07 <darsie> They are fucking not listening and can't fix it properly.
 524 2013-11-28 10:52:28 <diki> sipa:If you have an idea why this is happening, please let me know.
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 528 2013-11-28 10:52:57 <sipa> diki: you need SEEK_SET
 529 2013-11-28 10:53:08 <sipa> not CUR, that's for relative movement
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 531 2013-11-28 10:53:41 <gmaxwell> darsie: I actually do think their senior folks understand the issue(s) (there were actually more than one)
 532 2013-11-28 10:53:52 <bitanarchy> what does it take to run armory over tor?
 533 2013-11-28 10:53:57 <diki> sipa:SEEK_CUR should give the current offset, which on the first read should be 0
 534 2013-11-28 10:54:29 <diki> so long as the documentation I am reading is not leading my astray
 535 2013-11-28 10:54:47 <sipa> diki: CUR means the number you specify is relative to the currebt position
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 537 2013-11-28 10:55:36 <diki> I applied the change, recompiled but, after that fread of just 4 bytes, I am a couple of thousand of bytes forward.
 538 2013-11-28 10:55:45 <diki> just like before
 539 2013-11-28 10:55:50 <sipa> what is your code now?
 540 2013-11-28 10:56:00 <diki> fseek(fp, read_cursor, SEEK_SET);
 541 2013-11-28 10:57:06 <sipa> then i don't know
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 544 2013-11-28 11:01:13 <diki> I hope it's not a bug with the implementation of these functions
 545 2013-11-28 11:02:55 <diki> wait, I think I may have found the source of the problem
 546 2013-11-28 11:03:21 <diki> nope, false alarm
 547 2013-11-28 11:03:36 <diki> Speaking of alarm, a bot just PM'ed me trying to make me click that bitcoin-alarm link
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 551 2013-11-28 11:04:39 <bitanarchy> Does bitcoin.conf overrule the qt settings or the otherway around?
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 554 2013-11-28 11:12:38 <wumpus> bitanarchy: bitcoin.conf are treated as command line arguments, they override everything
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 556 2013-11-28 11:14:06 <bitanarchy> how can i check that armory is really using tor?
 557 2013-11-28 11:14:49 <wumpus> netstat and/or wireshark
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 559 2013-11-28 11:15:14 <bitanarchy> bit armory uses bitcoind... so i should check bitcoind in netstat right
 560 2013-11-28 11:15:22 <wumpus> yes
 561 2013-11-28 11:15:55 <wumpus> though I don't know if armory makes any net connections outside of bitcoind
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 565 2013-11-28 11:18:38 <wumpus> also your debug.log will have Proxy Errors when you use Tor
 566 2013-11-28 11:18:49 <wumpus> :p
 567 2013-11-28 11:19:07 <diki> what the? https://blockchain.info/block/000000004b7959f66c9dab42b8933f0a43c9705bd9bd486de3a69407fb072cd3
 568 2013-11-28 11:19:25 <diki> somebody trying to do something naughty?
 569 2013-11-28 11:19:44 <wumpus> but it doesn't seem that the actual fact of using a proxy is logged anywhere
 570 2013-11-28 11:21:25 <wumpus> diki: about 10 orphan blocks on top of the genesis block, looks like either a blockchain.info  messup, or someone is trying to do something naughty 
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 572 2013-11-28 11:21:53 <wumpus> he is including transactions, that is weird
 573 2013-11-28 11:22:42 <diki> what if it's somebody syncing and decided to try and mine?
 574 2013-11-28 11:22:55 <diki> ..but the client forbids that I think
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 578 2013-11-28 11:23:36 <wumpus> yes AFAIK the client disallows that
 579 2013-11-28 11:23:54 <diki> so somebody is intentionally doing this
 580 2013-11-28 11:24:01 <diki> the block reward IS 50btc in there
 581 2013-11-28 11:24:16 <wumpus> hehe, at difficulty 1 
 582 2013-11-28 11:24:26 <wumpus> good old times
 583 2013-11-28 11:24:37 <JyZyXEL> i like that guys chain, im gonna go and start mining it!
 584 2013-11-28 11:24:49 <diki> wumpus:Weird
 585 2013-11-28 11:25:01 <diki> the block was mined on the 26th and very slowly too
 586 2013-11-28 11:25:11 <diki> like hours apart, if it's safe to judge by that info
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 588 2013-11-28 11:26:09 <wumpus> the solipsist miner
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 594 2013-11-28 11:28:42 <diki> funny
 595 2013-11-28 11:28:51 <diki> the IP that relayed it runs some service 62.147.167.68
 596 2013-11-28 11:28:54 <gmaxwell> or just someone who saw this chart: http://bitcoin.sipa.be/powdays-50k.png
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 601 2013-11-28 11:31:11 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: why isn't 0.8.6 branch based on the 0.8.x branch?
 602 2013-11-28 11:32:01 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: because we don't have a 0.8 branch
 603 2013-11-28 11:32:06 <Luke-Jr> yes we do
 604 2013-11-28 11:32:11 <Luke-Jr> it's in the stable git repo as always
 605 2013-11-28 11:32:21 <TD> gavinandresen: around?
 606 2013-11-28 11:32:29 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: any patches I missed?
 607 2013-11-28 11:32:45 <diki> wumpus:Even more funny, the IP that relayed it has a domain name linked to it, hobeika.fr, while if you open the IP directly it links to some page CDash Projects
 608 2013-11-28 11:32:46 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: likely, there were something around 30 total
 609 2013-11-28 11:32:57 <Luke-Jr> https://gitorious.org/bitcoin/bitcoind-stable/source/490bed55d9e3783142e9485ae871ec8513a87771:
 610 2013-11-28 11:33:15 <gavinandresen> TD: about to head to bed… just commented on the lower relay fee pull
 611 2013-11-28 11:33:21 <TD> sleep well!
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 613 2013-11-28 11:33:35 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: changelog so far is http://codepad.org/CZkaPdZA
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 615 2013-11-28 11:34:32 <gavinandresen> YOU have a stable 0.8.x branch, WE have never supported such a thing
 616 2013-11-28 11:34:48 <gavinandresen> That's the royal "WE"....
 617 2013-11-28 11:35:21 <wumpus> yeah, this is confusing, though if you have something that should absolutely be in 0.8.6 (and is already in master) let me know
 618 2013-11-28 11:35:24 <warren> gavinandresen: I at least gave a ridiculous name to my bitcoin
 619 2013-11-28 11:35:25 <Luke-Jr> gavinandresen: oh, you're royalty now?
 620 2013-11-28 11:35:34 * gavinandresen mumbles about how he can't keep track of 0.8.x and 0.8.OMG11 ....
 621 2013-11-28 11:35:39 <warren> Luke-Jr: all hail gavinandresen
 622 2013-11-28 11:35:40 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: google royal we
 623 2013-11-28 11:35:46 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: everything in 0.8.x is in master
 624 2013-11-28 11:35:48 <gavinandresen> The High and Mighty!
 625 2013-11-28 11:35:55 <gavinandresen> BOW BEFORE ME PEONS!
 626 2013-11-28 11:35:57 <UukGoblin> nanotube, #bitcoin-market's gone quiet
 627 2013-11-28 11:36:02 <gavinandresen> ok, time for bed, obviously....
 628 2013-11-28 11:36:03 * warren bows.
 629 2013-11-28 11:36:19 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: ok, well I'll take a look at the list
 630 2013-11-28 11:36:22 <wumpus> sleep well gavinandresen
 631 2013-11-28 11:36:29 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: are you asking why it wasn't derrived from your 0.8.x or just the prior 0.8.5 branch in master?
 632 2013-11-28 11:36:46 <gavinandresen> less is better for 0.8.6 in my humble opinion
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 634 2013-11-28 11:36:55 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: unless for an emergency fix release, it should just be based on the 0.8.x branch
 635 2013-11-28 11:37:20 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: I'm not sure which 0.8.x you're talking about.
 636 2013-11-28 11:37:31 <warren> there is no 0.8.x branch
 637 2013-11-28 11:37:34 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: https://gitorious.org/bitcoin/bitcoind-stable/source/490bed55d9e3783142e9485ae871ec8513a87771: is the only 0.8.x branch afaik
 638 2013-11-28 11:37:38 <Luke-Jr> warren: there is, ^
 639 2013-11-28 11:37:38 <gmaxwell> The one you've been maintaining (have you even been maintaining one for 0.8?)
 640 2013-11-28 11:37:44 <gmaxwell> okay, the one you've been maintaining.
 641 2013-11-28 11:37:59 <gmaxwell> (sorry, just trying to clarify what was meant here)
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 643 2013-11-28 11:39:01 <Luke-Jr> looks like wumpus's branch misses all but one of the fixes, so I guess it should just merge in cleanly
 644 2013-11-28 11:39:23 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: what are you carrying that wumpus's branch didn't pickup?
 645 2013-11-28 11:39:42 <wumpus> Fix memory leak on exception in Key::SignCompact
 646 2013-11-28 11:39:42 <wumpus> 	fix memory leak in CKey::SetCompactSignature()
 647 2013-11-28 11:39:42 <Luke-Jr> "Fix build date for from-tarball builds" is the only one wumpus *did* pickup
 648 2013-11-28 11:39:49 <Luke-Jr> http://codepad.org/CZkaPdZA
 649 2013-11-28 11:39:52 <wumpus> these sound interesting
 650 2013-11-28 11:40:06 <gmaxwell> (incidentally, that kind of comparison is one way that your work on the branch is useful, even if the tree for the release isn't derrived from it)
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 652 2013-11-28 11:41:26 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: 0.8.x should merge cleanly into your current branch
 653 2013-11-28 11:41:45 <Luke-Jr> diff http://codepad.org/22O5JrDB
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 657 2013-11-28 11:42:57 <sipa> that diff looks safe (only checked briefly)
 658 2013-11-28 11:43:10 <sipa> though i prefer cherry-picking individual changes, rather than merging
 659 2013-11-28 11:43:20 <Luke-Jr> I'm curious as to the src/test/util_tests.cpp removals
 660 2013-11-28 11:43:31 <wumpus> yes looks ok, though I dont understand the BOOST_AUTO_TEST_CASE(util_TimingResistantEqual)
 661 2013-11-28 11:43:36 <wumpus> right
 662 2013-11-28 11:43:36 <Luke-Jr> sipa: merging is correct in this case, since we want all of them
 663 2013-11-28 11:43:52 <wumpus> I don't want the ones that delete test cases
 664 2013-11-28 11:43:52 <Luke-Jr> unless this test thing doesn't belong, but even then it should be reverted in the branch
 665 2013-11-28 11:44:16 * Luke-Jr investigates
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 669 2013-11-28 11:45:18 <gmaxwell> The rand testcases were removed because they could fail randomly. They were a bit to sensitive and were just replaced with determinstic tests that could never fail unless the code was changed.
 670 2013-11-28 11:45:44 <Luke-Jr> ah
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 672 2013-11-28 11:47:15 <wumpus> okay
 673 2013-11-28 11:47:47 <wumpus> so I'm just going to cherry pick all of them, I prefer that to merging too
 674 2013-11-28 11:48:08 <Luke-Jr> …
 675 2013-11-28 11:48:37 <Luke-Jr> "let's use git, but pretend we're using CVS" *sigh*
 676 2013-11-28 11:48:47 <gmaxwell> sounds like a plan to me
 677 2013-11-28 11:48:48 <gmaxwell> :P
 678 2013-11-28 11:49:03 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: Have I ever told you about the git reset command? it's so awesome!
 679 2013-11-28 11:50:00 * TD is a guilty serial cherry picker
 680 2013-11-28 11:50:02 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: cherry-picking them is going to make merging yours back into 0.8.x a pain
 681 2013-11-28 11:50:09 <TD> merges make reading commit histories much harder
 682 2013-11-28 11:50:11 <Luke-Jr> or at least ugly
 683 2013-11-28 11:50:24 <Luke-Jr> TD: not really
 684 2013-11-28 11:50:44 * warren loves to --force
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 687 2013-11-28 11:50:59 <diki> Lol
 688 2013-11-28 11:51:12 <diki> found the guy that mined on top of the genesis block
 689 2013-11-28 11:51:31 <wumpus> yes, hard to read :/ https://gitorious.org/bitcoin/bitcoind-stable/commits/490bed55d9e3783142e9485ae871ec8513a87771
 690 2013-11-28 11:52:09 <Luke-Jr> git log --no-merges
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 692 2013-11-28 11:52:37 <wumpus> might be due to gitorious, but compared to https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commits/0.8.6 it's almost impossible to see what happens
 693 2013-11-28 11:52:59 <Luke-Jr> of course, the ideal is daggy fixes, but I can't get you guys to do that it seems :P
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 696 2013-11-28 11:54:49 <warren> Luke-Jr: https://github.com/litecoin-project/bitcoinomg/commits/0.8.5-OMG5  I had some of your  "stable" patches but didn't suggest it for 0.8.6 because I didn't think they were critical
 697 2013-11-28 11:54:57 <warren> but I see no harm
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 700 2013-11-28 11:56:38 <Luke-Jr> nothing in 0.8.6 is critical, that's the point :p
 701 2013-11-28 11:57:01 <wumpus> except the mac corruption fix!!
 702 2013-11-28 11:57:04 <wumpus> if it pans out
 703 2013-11-28 11:57:10 <Luke-Jr> wait, we actually got that fixed?
 704 2013-11-28 11:57:38 <wumpus> hopefully: https://github.com/rescrv/StockLevelDB/commit/4c55a2eccc0f9fa6fc3445ea5307a042eb6064a2
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 709 2013-11-28 11:58:00 <warren> Luke-Jr: you can read his "victory speech" here http://hackingdistributed.com/2013/11/27/bitcoin-leveldb/
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 711 2013-11-28 11:59:30 <Luke-Jr> nice
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 715 2013-11-28 12:03:48 <Emcy> how much is the bounty in dollars
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 718 2013-11-28 12:04:23 <diki> 10 or more grand
 719 2013-11-28 12:04:25 <warren> Emcy: seems to be growing by the second
 720 2013-11-28 12:04:36 <Emcy> well that didnt take long
 721 2013-11-28 12:04:40 <warren> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=337294.0  binaries
 722 2013-11-28 12:04:50 <warren> that was the point of a bounty
 723 2013-11-28 12:04:55 <Emcy> looks like good old fashioned bounty hunters cang et the job done
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 727 2013-11-28 12:05:31 <warren> it's almost $20k now
 728 2013-11-28 12:09:12 <Emcy> this is great. If that was a paypal bounty theres a good chance they would freeze the account
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 730 2013-11-28 12:09:53 <Emcy> but bitcoin enables its own coding via economic transaction
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 732 2013-11-28 12:11:18 <wumpus> at least we eat our own dogfood
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 734 2013-11-28 12:11:47 <warren> woof
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 736 2013-11-28 12:12:12 <Emcy> next up: a beefy node becomes self aware, three months later the asteroid belt is now a dyson swarm
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 738 2013-11-28 12:17:08 <diki> so will Robert Escriva be getting the bounty if he has resolved the issue?
 739 2013-11-28 12:17:49 <warren> diki: pending testing and if we have no other corruption issues
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 741 2013-11-28 12:18:09 <warren> we've had a hard time finding people to test the binaies
 742 2013-11-28 12:18:11 <warren> binaries
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 750 2013-11-28 12:28:04 <Emcy> seems like this bug was affecting a few different projects
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 753 2013-11-28 12:31:13 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: not sure what the point of looking up royal we was
 754 2013-11-28 12:32:02 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: didn't know if you knew the phrase.
 755 2013-11-28 12:32:34 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: yes, that's why my point was what it was ;)
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 802 2013-11-28 13:35:48 <warren> it's a little sad that Australians are sleeping before me
 803 2013-11-28 13:36:23 <upb> because they use up all your sleep?:P
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 806 2013-11-28 13:38:20 <gmaxwell> warren: thats because they're in tomorrow, so they get to do everything first.
 807 2013-11-28 13:39:39 <Belxjander> gmaxwell: the same is true for any Japanese "at home" overnight working the markets
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 858 2013-11-28 14:54:02 <TD> "I seriously question who is behind bitcoin. If it was owned by the Chinese, wouldn't we be seeing propaganda about the dangers of a foreign owned currency being used to undermine the petrodollar? I bet you will find this is some attempt thought up in a US think tank to move the world towards a cashless society and it is ultimately controlled by the US (it
 859 2013-11-28 14:54:02 <TD> is licensed by MIT)."
 860 2013-11-28 14:54:04 <TD> fail
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 862 2013-11-28 14:54:20 <TD> MIT license -> licensed by MIT :(
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 866 2013-11-28 14:58:26 <graingert> TD: it's controlled by US
 867 2013-11-28 14:58:31 <graingert> *us
 868 2013-11-28 14:58:37 <TD> lol
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 875 2013-11-28 15:15:35 <gmaxwell> hahah licensed by mit
 876 2013-11-28 15:15:40 <gmaxwell> where is that from?
 877 2013-11-28 15:15:46 <TD> bbc news comments
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 879 2013-11-28 15:15:59 <gmaxwell> okay, not terrible for a mass media news comment.
 880 2013-11-28 15:16:30 <Luke-Jr> I've seen that one before
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 882 2013-11-28 15:18:29 <Emcy> whos mit?
 883 2013-11-28 15:18:41 <gmaxwell> M.I.T.
 884 2013-11-28 15:19:13 <Emcy> thats the joke.bmp
 885 2013-11-28 15:20:32 <Emcy> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-25134289
 886 2013-11-28 15:20:45 <Emcy> hahaha i could go up there and have a look
 887 2013-11-28 15:21:13 <Emcy> newport is wonderful
 888 2013-11-28 15:21:31 <jeremias> is there a way to force bitcoind use only outputs which have at least 2 confirmations?
 889 2013-11-28 15:21:38 <Emcy> thats where you find weed growing in council planters on the street
 890 2013-11-28 15:22:20 <Emcy> TD got a link for your bbc peice today?
 891 2013-11-28 15:22:26 <Emcy> i assume youre talking about
 892 2013-11-28 15:22:49 <TD> news.bbc.co.uk - for me it's on the front page titled "bitcoin brawl" (seriously)
 893 2013-11-28 15:23:25 <TD> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25130261
 894 2013-11-28 15:23:30 <TD> the highest rated comments aren't bad actually
 895 2013-11-28 15:23:31 <Emcy> wow that guy is a strange mix of westcountry and NEWPAART accent
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 897 2013-11-28 15:23:48 <TD> lots of reflection on how normal currencies are somewhat immaterial as well
 898 2013-11-28 15:24:01 <Emcy> bitcoin brawl oh my life
 899 2013-11-28 15:24:22 <gumpus> i love bitcoin news articles, especially the negative ones
 900 2013-11-28 15:24:28 <Emcy> oh yes comments are on, this should be fun
 901 2013-11-28 15:24:39 <gumpus> it's obvious that most of the people reporting haven't bothered to understand how it works
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 905 2013-11-28 15:26:13 <TD> the bbc guys do seem to understand it these days. but they're always trying to spice it up. someone from a radio show wanted me to do a phone in, and then later decided they didn't want that because they had changed it to have more of a human interest angle
 906 2013-11-28 15:26:29 <TD> presumably they'll talk about the guy who threw his millions in the bin or something
 907 2013-11-28 15:26:41 <Emcy> yeah
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 909 2013-11-28 15:27:11 <Emcy> well i just posted the link to that poor bugger
 910 2013-11-28 15:27:41 <Emcy> i wonder if you told him he might have just thrown a few billion in landfill, hed go thru it with his fingernails.
 911 2013-11-28 15:27:55 <Emcy> or the binmen will
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 913 2013-11-28 15:32:04 <Emcy> TD did you provide that picture
 914 2013-11-28 15:32:16 <Emcy> also is that bronzer or a trick of the light...
 915 2013-11-28 15:32:28 <TD> i thought it would be pretty lulzy to have the bitcoin advocate be wearing a cowboy hat
 916 2013-11-28 15:32:44 <TD> no, that's just a normal cameraphone picture taken at a party i went to. it was america themed and had a bucking bronco
 917 2013-11-28 15:33:18 <TD> i actually don't have any proper pictures of myself :( they're all pics taken by other people, usually with alcohol involved. i was thinking i needed to get a "serious" pic at some point.
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 919 2013-11-28 15:34:46 <Emcy> yeah looked like a facebook pic so i wondered if the beed has appropriated it lol
 920 2013-11-28 15:35:03 <Emcy> nice writeup though, but i dont think the micropaymetns thing is strictly true anymore
 921 2013-11-28 15:35:04 <TD> nope. they asked for a pic and lacking any alternatives, i provided them with a facebook pic
 922 2013-11-28 15:35:29 <TD> i was thinking of micropayment channels. but yes the fees problem does undermine that argument a bit. there's no good reason for fees to be so high though. it's a problem that will get solved with time.
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 924 2013-11-28 15:35:43 <TD> see the discussion on the pull req
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 926 2013-11-28 15:35:57 <Emcy> what pull req
 927 2013-11-28 15:36:28 <TD> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/3305
 928 2013-11-28 15:36:56 <Emcy> i always thought fees will probably always have to be hefty enough that polling your txns with others is a really good idea
 929 2013-11-28 15:37:10 <Emcy> just to support the hashrate, disregarding the blocksize debate
 930 2013-11-28 15:37:32 <Emcy> thats where coincoin handily comes in
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 933 2013-11-28 15:40:58 <TD> the days when fees are the primary driver of hash rates are a long way in the future, i guess
 934 2013-11-28 15:41:05 <TD> but we'll see
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 945 2013-11-28 15:49:58 <Emcy_> aw dont strip the tech stuff from android wallet
 946 2013-11-28 15:50:34 <Emcy_> just hide it away behind a tickbox or something if youre scared of it spooking your nan
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 948 2013-11-28 15:51:04 <Emcy_> its one of the only ways you can tell android wallet is doing something qualitatively different than electrum or something
 949 2013-11-28 15:51:35 <Emcy_> if fact i wanted to see more tech gubbins in it not less
 950 2013-11-28 15:51:41 <nanotube> UukGoblin: yea it was an issue with bcharts feed. resolved. thanks for heads up :)
 951 2013-11-28 15:51:50 <TD> the network monitor would still be there
 952 2013-11-28 15:51:55 <TD> and that has nerdy detail aplenty
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 954 2013-11-28 15:52:25 <TD> but over time electrum is getting closer to the regular SPV model anyway. eventually i guess there won't be much difference, except electrum will have a proprietary protocol and way fewer servers (and perhaps a few more features)
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 956 2013-11-28 15:52:50 <UukGoblin> nanotube, thanks :-)
 957 2013-11-28 15:53:02 <UukGoblin> this channel means a lot to me
 958 2013-11-28 15:53:08 <Emcy_> electrum is good but its completely client-server
 959 2013-11-28 15:53:24 <Emcy_> it cant be anywhere near spv
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 961 2013-11-28 15:55:05 <Emcy_> seriously dont just remove the pie thing, just hide it if you want to. People use that and you risk pissing them off
 962 2013-11-28 15:55:43 <Emcy_> like people doing mcdonalds bitcoin trades and stuff, just grab a burger and chat while waiting for one or two pie slices
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 964 2013-11-28 15:57:28 <fronti> i try to run bitcoind on an ipv6 only host.. can somebody please give an ipv6 node i can add via addnode? looks that at startup the client only look to ipv4 addresses
 965 2013-11-28 15:57:40 <fronti> so it did not find a connection
 966 2013-11-28 15:57:41 <nanotube> UukGoblin: :)
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 968 2013-11-28 15:57:48 <Emcy_> also im not really subscribing to the philosophy that we should be proactivly shielding people from bitcoins nasty gubbins as it were. The whole premise of it is taking back a bit of responsibility and control over YOUR money.
 969 2013-11-28 15:58:23 <Emcy_> the very baic concepts are easy enough to grasp if you try, and if you dont want to try you can probably still get by ok.
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 971 2013-11-28 15:59:18 <shesek> someone is spamming with Bitcoin - Alarm.net, seems like a malware - beware
 972 2013-11-28 16:00:01 <Emcy_> otherwise why not just resign ourselves to a future of total privkey escrow or something, and weve just produced a terribly inefficient paypal
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 974 2013-11-28 16:02:55 <deantrade> chainstate folder holds the spendable blocks?
 975 2013-11-28 16:03:13 <deantrade> whats in the blocks->rev*.dat files?
 976 2013-11-28 16:04:21 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|deantrade: IIRC (and I might be mistaken) chainstate is the UTXO set
 977 2013-11-28 16:04:42 <deantrade> errr yea thats what I meant, spendable transaction outputs, not "spendable blocks"
 978 2013-11-28 16:05:33 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I forget what the rev*.dat is -- maybe rollback information for reorgs?
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 980 2013-11-28 16:05:43 <Emcy_> yes
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 982 2013-11-28 16:06:27 <deantrade> does the rev*.dat go back to the genisis block or does it get cleaned out so many blocks back?
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 984 2013-11-28 16:07:04 <kinlo> it goes back to the genesis block
 985 2013-11-28 16:07:19 <kinlo> afaik
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 987 2013-11-28 16:09:11 <deantrade> In my client I've noted that you only need to know for a given block: all the fully spent transactionhash<->transactionLocation pairs.  Right now I'm only keeping back one day's worth of info.  I guess if one of my clients was getting blocks from the network some malicious person might send me some fork blocks and screw me up
 988 2013-11-28 16:10:38 <kinlo> you're writing your own client?
 989 2013-11-28 16:10:55 <deantrade> I wrote my own client... with the recent price increase I've been more motivated to work on it
 990 2013-11-28 16:11:15 <kinlo> is it published somewhere?
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 992 2013-11-28 16:11:21 <deantrade> No, just for me for now
 993 2013-11-28 16:11:55 <deantrade> Written in c#.  I did a full code review of bitcoin back in the day when I ported c++->c# bitcoin
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 995 2013-11-28 16:13:39 <deantrade> If I get some more time here to clean up the UI I'll probably publish it to help people keep secure wallets and manage private keys
 996 2013-11-28 16:13:53 <Luke-Jr> people shouldn't mess with private keys
 997 2013-11-28 16:14:45 <deantrade> How do you split up a wallet into two wallets without messing with private keys?
 998 2013-11-28 16:15:23 <Luke-Jr> use case?
 999 2013-11-28 16:16:36 <deantrade> Uh, the private key is like the key to being able to spend bitcoins...  I like having detailed control of it.
1000 2013-11-28 16:16:46 <Luke-Jr> why?
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1002 2013-11-28 16:17:30 <shamoon> anyone have testnet coins they can send me? miNqzi31FAxPZa3L5MMiYbpvViP3kAaeSU
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1005 2013-11-28 16:18:58 <deantrade> Luke-Jr: Why did the chicken cross the road?
1006 2013-11-28 16:19:20 <Luke-Jr> are you putting yourself on the same level as chicken?
1007 2013-11-28 16:19:24 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|shamoon: tpfaucet.appspot.com
1008 2013-11-28 16:19:33 <shamoon> michagogo|cloud: thanks
1009 2013-11-28 16:19:37 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|And testnet.mojocoin.com
1010 2013-11-28 16:19:42 <shamoon> you the man
1011 2013-11-28 16:20:22 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Np
1012 2013-11-28 16:20:40 <deantrade> A private key is the most portable format a bitcoin spending thing can take form of.  Wallets are propriatary for the software that a person is using.  If you want to be able to move bitcoins from one system to another without sending them over the bitcoin network...
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1016 2013-11-28 16:21:12 <Luke-Jr> deantrade: you're forgetting the wallet seed
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1020 2013-11-28 16:21:30 <Luke-Jr> deantrade: and passing around private keys is not a viable way to move bitcoins
1021 2013-11-28 16:21:30 <diki> phew, I think my parser works now
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1025 2013-11-28 16:22:01 <diki> funny story, but in trying to grab the previous block hash the fread always moved the cursor one byte ahead
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1028 2013-11-28 16:22:43 <Luke-Jr> cool story bro
1029 2013-11-28 16:23:08 <diki> Well, despite your sarcasm, it was
1030 2013-11-28 16:23:52 <diki> I was reading 32 bytes, the cursor should have advanced 32 bytes, but it advanced 33 bytes, on the next cycle reading the next block it would advance even by 1 again and the difference increases
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1034 2013-11-28 16:25:39 <diki> So, did how is the OSX patch behaving?
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1053 2013-11-28 16:48:51 <deantrade> Luke-Jr: So whats the current adoptation status of deterministic wallets?
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1057 2013-11-28 16:53:02 <Emcy_> The problem with the bitcoin system is that it was designed by people who only had IT experience. No economists, people who'd worked for a bank, a Foreign Exchange broker, or governm...
1058 2013-11-28 16:53:02 <Emcy_> ===
1059 2013-11-28 16:53:02 <Emcy_> Indeed. You've pointed out another of its benefits, well done.
1060 2013-11-28 16:53:10 <Emcy_> i love these comments man
1061 2013-11-28 16:54:46 <deantrade> Emcy_: Who's criticism, and who's sarcastic response?
1062 2013-11-28 16:55:07 <Luke-Jr> whose*
1063 2013-11-28 16:55:07 <Emcy_> random british proles idk
1064 2013-11-28 16:56:42 <Emcy_> so many tulip comments, i can jsut pictur them sitting back in thier chair and beaming to themselves for being so clever
1065 2013-11-28 16:56:45 <deantrade> Luke-Jr: Sorry I primarily read/write by sounds, so when English has silly rules I fail
1066 2013-11-28 16:57:31 <Emcy_> dont worry hes american so he doesnt know what english is either
1067 2013-11-28 16:57:38 <Luke-Jr> …
1068 2013-11-28 16:57:54 <diki> Did someone highlight me?
1069 2013-11-28 16:58:01 <diki> Perhaps it's someone on my ignore list
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1071 2013-11-28 16:59:18 <deantrade> Bitcoin just has to increase x171 more in market value and it will eclipse the USD monetary base market cap
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1074 2013-11-28 17:02:58 <deantrade> *slaps his fingers for talking about non-bitcoin development stuff
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1077 2013-11-28 17:05:21 <Emcy_> people who log in just to tell us in fine detail just how little they care about the subject at hand.
1078 2013-11-28 17:06:01 <Emcy_> at least on youtube the excuse is that most people are automatically logged in anyway
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1082 2013-11-28 17:09:14 <deantrade> Using pidgin, is there a way to have the client not display entered/left messages?
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1088 2013-11-28 17:13:48 <Emcy_> is one bitcoin a single unit that can be split into 10 million smaller units or wahtever, or is it 10 million satoshies bundled up
1089 2013-11-28 17:14:06 <Emcy_> in the underlying system
1090 2013-11-28 17:14:20 <Emcy_> i think its the former due to coin melting?
1091 2013-11-28 17:14:23 <deantrade> 1 bitcoin is 10^8 shatoshis
1092 2013-11-28 17:14:29 <deantrade> Satoshis
1093 2013-11-28 17:14:40 <Emcy_> thats not what i asked
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1095 2013-11-28 17:15:00 <Belxjander> Emcy_: the base unit is the "Satoshi" which is of value "1" in the BTC system
1096 2013-11-28 17:15:27 <Belxjander> however "BitCoin" is referencing 10^8 Satoshi as a singular whole as well
1097 2013-11-28 17:15:31 <Emcy_> yes i know, i want to know if a satoshi exists before a btc is melted to make it
1098 2013-11-28 17:15:40 <Belxjander> so you can either consider Satoshi as the base or the divisions of BitCoin
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1100 2013-11-28 17:16:12 <Belxjander> Emcy_: entirely up to you to decide... its the same problem as schrodingers cat in physics
1101 2013-11-28 17:16:13 <deantrade> Emcy_... uh, maybe you don't get how transactions work?
1102 2013-11-28 17:16:19 <Belxjander> as long as you never open the box it is neither
1103 2013-11-28 17:16:21 <kadoban> Emcy_: it's a question of semantics really, it doesn't particularly matter how you want to view it
1104 2013-11-28 17:16:48 <Emcy_> i suppose thats true, but its nice to know whats really going on
1105 2013-11-28 17:16:51 <kadoban> it's either a number in satoshis, or a number in BTC down to X decimal places
1106 2013-11-28 17:16:59 <Emcy_> like when i found out about txin and out
1107 2013-11-28 17:17:16 <deantrade> A transaction is like this: add up all of the input bitcoin values, and then the output values must be <= the inputs.  (extra input is given to the miner)
1108 2013-11-28 17:18:24 <deantrade> ... err the "sum of the output" must be <= the "sum of the input"
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1110 2013-11-28 17:18:38 <Emcy_> actually i just said does [effect] exist before [cause], so i think i asnwered my own questoin
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1141 2013-11-28 17:57:47 <bitanarchy> can multibit run over tor?
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1149 2013-11-28 18:10:20 <TD> no not yet
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1154 2013-11-28 18:22:09 <shesek> bitanarchy, if you're using linux, you can create a separate user for running multibit and use iptables to route all of that user traffic over tor
1155 2013-11-28 18:22:55 <shesek> (might be possible to do something similar with windows, but I'm not using windows so I'm not quite sure)
1156 2013-11-28 18:23:08 <Diablo-D3> heh
1157 2013-11-28 18:23:20 <Diablo-D3> didnt someone make a socks5 proxy that is a windows network adapter?
1158 2013-11-28 18:23:33 <shesek> https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/TransparentProxy
1159 2013-11-28 18:24:09 <TD> we're testing a new network stack for bitcoinj that would support tor
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1161 2013-11-28 18:24:33 <TD> however there's no build of multibit that uses it yet. as multibit is sort of being rewritten at the moment, i doubt there will be one soon either (unless someone else does it)
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1217 2013-11-28 20:01:22 <madthanu> I was looking at the $10K bounty bug, and came upon another "bug" that I think affects bitcoin very much
1218 2013-11-28 20:02:13 <madthanu> It's essentially LevelDB's issue 187 (https://code.google.com/p/leveldb/issues/detail?id=187)
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1221 2013-11-28 20:02:44 <madthanu> and unfortunately the pattern with which bitcoin-qt uses LevelDB matches conditions in which that bug will get effected
1222 2013-11-28 20:03:31 <madthanu> anyone interested?
1223 2013-11-28 20:03:39 <warren> cfields: crap, we have one report where mem barrier fixed it for him while he had corruption with Robert's patch
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1225 2013-11-28 20:03:52 <warren> cfields: perhaps there really were two or more issues
1226 2013-11-28 20:04:01 <warren> wumpus: ^
1227 2013-11-28 20:04:16 <phantomcircuit> warren, tbh i suspect there are a number of issues here
1228 2013-11-28 20:04:32 <phantomcircuit> it likely works on linux because fsync on one file flushes the entire page cache
1229 2013-11-28 20:05:25 <madthanu> hold on a second, im curious, does the "bug" happen with clean shutdowns or not? if it does, why does fsync matter?
1230 2013-11-28 20:05:52 <warren> I'm catching up with mail.
1231 2013-11-28 20:06:12 <phantomcircuit> madthanu, the bug only happens on os x where fsync is a NOP
1232 2013-11-28 20:06:50 <madthanu> phantomcircuit: but the reports said things happen with *clean* shutdowns ... fsync-NOP things matter only with system crashes
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1234 2013-11-28 20:07:34 <warren> madthanu: read all the threads carefully
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1236 2013-11-28 20:07:50 <phantomcircuit> madthanu, a clean shutdown doesn't necessarily mean the disks were correctly flushed
1237 2013-11-28 20:08:03 <phantomcircuit> and there definitely was a problem with fsync being a NOP
1238 2013-11-28 20:08:18 <phantomcircuit> but there are obviously other reliability/consistency issues with leveldb beyond that
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1243 2013-11-28 20:10:05 <warren> phantomcircuit: flushing happens, just a toilet is involved ...
1244 2013-11-28 20:12:24 <warren> madthanu: http://hackingdistributed.com/2013/11/27/bitcoin-leveldb/
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1247 2013-11-28 20:17:05 <madthanu> phantomcircuit: feeling a little stupid here, but what do you mean that a clean shutdown doesn't mean disks are flushed? especially with munmap in Mac OSX, or in general?
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1251 2013-11-28 20:24:29 <madthanu> warren: sorry .... https://code.google.com/p/leveldb/issues/detail?id=187
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1253 2013-11-28 20:27:20 <warren> madthanu: write to the bitcoin development mailing list
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1255 2013-11-28 20:28:00 <madthanu> warren: ok!
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1261 2013-11-28 20:34:31 <warren> phantomcircuit: hmm, OMG5 I accidentally kept the mem barriers patch and added Robert's patch
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1278 2013-11-28 21:07:02 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Emcy_: In the protocol, all values are in satoshis
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1289 2013-11-28 21:24:23 <warren> Luke-Jr: have you tested your stable branch in gitian lately?
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1301 2013-11-28 21:35:01 <jeremias> does bitcoind use zero-conf outputs when generating transactions?
1302 2013-11-28 21:35:14 <jeremias> and if it does, is there way to prevent it?
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1313 2013-11-28 22:14:40 <jouke> jeremias: it does only for transaction that is sends itself, so change-outputs it will spend again.
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1317 2013-11-28 22:21:26 <shesek> I'm looking for some alpha testers for an m-of-n transactions web interface I'm working on. Anyone wants to give it a try?
1318 2013-11-28 22:22:40 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|shesek: Unfortunately I don't have my computer at the moment (may be away until after חנוכה, not sure atm)
1319 2013-11-28 22:23:03 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I'd be happy to take a look once I get it returned
1320 2013-11-28 22:23:15 <shesek> you don't really need your computer - its running on testnet right now, you can just get some coins sent to it from a faucet
1321 2013-11-28 22:23:50 <shesek> and see that it actually sends the transactions on blockexplorer's testnet explorer
1322 2013-11-28 22:24:01 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(also, it's 20 past midnight)
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1324 2013-11-28 22:25:32 <shesek> well, if you have some free time and want to try it out again, give me a shout
1325 2013-11-28 22:25:46 <shesek> its quite similar to what you saw a few months back, but a bit more polished and less buggy
1326 2013-11-28 22:26:24 <shesek> and I got it working properly on testnet (ditched bc.i's api and replaced it with my own)
1327 2013-11-28 22:27:21 <goedgoed> Is there a development roadmap or a list of upcoming features?
1328 2013-11-28 22:28:05 <shesek> I'm ironing out some last quirks and getting it ready for a public release, hopefully sometime in the beginning of next week
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1336 2013-11-28 22:42:52 <Luke-Jr> warren: nope, why?
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1362 2013-11-28 23:24:39 <warren> gavinandresen: ping
1363 2013-11-28 23:25:28 <warren> gavinandresen: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/9612e4c0d9730dbdb9971e53c72df17dd97daa2a  is this going to master?  I don't see a PR.  If so it needs patches elsewhere too.  want me to PR both?
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1378 2013-11-28 23:48:37 <warren> around?  I think there's a bug in one of the proposed patches for 0.8.6 but I need a sanity check.
1379 2013-11-28 23:49:33 <warren> anyone?
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1381 2013-11-28 23:50:54 <sipa1024> which?
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1385 2013-11-28 23:52:49 <warren> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/9612e4c0d9730dbdb9971e53c72df17dd97daa2a
1386 2013-11-28 23:53:37 <warren> I earlier asked gavin if making the max free tx 1,000 bytes will make tx from old clients get stuck.  he said no because 1,000 is only on creation, not relay.  But this patch seems to allow up to 29KB (DEFAULT_BLOCK_PRIORITY_SIZE - 1000) free tx instead of the old 10KB.  I'm not sure that's intended.
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