1 2013-11-29 00:00:12 <petertodd> warren: I don't see the issue, mode == GMF_SEND implies nBytes < 1000 is the test
2 2013-11-29 00:01:48 <warren> petertodd: Luke-Jr explained it to me, it's equivalent to the old code, the 10KB limit on relay was never enforced
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4 2013-11-29 00:01:55 <warren> obscure but not a bug
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6 2013-11-29 00:02:05 <petertodd> warren: cool
7 2013-11-29 00:02:47 <Luke-Jr> yeah, it's functionally equivalent
8 2013-11-29 00:02:53 <Luke-Jr> just was really hard to read before
9 2013-11-29 00:02:58 <warren> I would argue the old behavior was a bug
10 2013-11-29 00:03:08 <warren> so this is just equally buggy
11 2013-11-29 00:03:10 <Luke-Jr> the behaviour didn't change, other than the 10k => 1k
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32 2013-11-29 00:19:09 <diki> i was wondering
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34 2013-11-29 00:19:27 <diki> we won't exceed 4 bytes of varaible length encoding anytime soon, right?
35 2013-11-29 00:19:34 <diki> *variable
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37 2013-11-29 00:19:54 <warren> petertodd: Luke-Jr: any idea why DEFAULT_BLOCK_PRIORITY_SIZE - 1000 was used? just arbitrary?
38 2013-11-29 00:19:55 <lianj> diki: how?
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42 2013-11-29 00:20:01 <diki> how what?
43 2013-11-29 00:20:12 <edcba> did you calculate the max length ?
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46 2013-11-29 00:21:01 <diki> the max length would be a uint64_t, no?
47 2013-11-29 00:21:17 <lianj> yes, want to send 4GB+ blocks?
48 2013-11-29 00:22:10 <diki> No, I was asking if you think that 4 bytes will be enough for a long time, I don't plan on adding support for >4 bytes varint encoding in my blockchain parser
49 2013-11-29 00:22:33 <diki> well, 5 if you count the first byte
50 2013-11-29 00:22:37 <diki> but all the same
51 2013-11-29 00:22:42 <lianj> you think blocks or txs even are ever allowed to be larger than 4 gb
52 2013-11-29 00:22:58 <diki> No, I am aware of the limitations
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68 2013-11-29 00:38:54 <sipa> lianj, diki: only tx/txin/txout counts are varint coded; block sizes are just uint32's
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72 2013-11-29 00:39:19 <diki> sipa:I think he meant differently when he said blocks.
73 2013-11-29 00:39:33 <sipa> yes, but that's not relevant
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75 2013-11-29 00:39:35 <diki> You know, 4GB blocks including transactions etc
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77 2013-11-29 00:40:07 <sipa> you'd need over 2^32 txouts before you need larger varint support
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79 2013-11-29 00:40:37 <sipa> which neans at least a block of 36 GB at least
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81 2013-11-29 00:40:54 <lianj> even better :D
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93 2013-11-29 00:44:42 <Auctus> how big is the blockchain with txindex=1 ?
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98 2013-11-29 00:49:06 <gmaxwell> Auctus: txindex=1 adds another ~1.4GiB right now, the blocks directory with it is ~16GiB.
99 2013-11-29 00:49:34 <Auctus> gmaxwell, you know pretty much everything, don't you? :)
100 2013-11-29 00:50:22 <sipa> gmaxwell: what do you get when you multiply 6 by 9?
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102 2013-11-29 00:54:08 <gmaxwell> sipa: 42
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112 2013-11-29 01:00:21 <sipa> Auctus: he does indeed know everything...
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114 2013-11-29 01:04:15 <SomeoneWeird> sipa, lol
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141 2013-11-29 01:32:35 <warren> yep... just got a 24KB free tx into the mempool
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144 2013-11-29 01:33:31 <BustyLoli-Chan> is there a way, using bitcoind, to figure out the sending of a transaction on a wallet address?
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153 2013-11-29 01:37:30 <sipa> BustyLoli-Chan: listtransactions rpc?
154 2013-11-29 01:37:40 <sipa> BustyLoli-Chan: or the -walletnotify option
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157 2013-11-29 01:38:26 <BustyLoli-Chan> list transactions only tells me where I've sent money
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160 2013-11-29 01:38:36 <BustyLoli-Chan> or what address I've recieved money on
161 2013-11-29 01:38:39 <sipa> yes
162 2013-11-29 01:38:45 <BustyLoli-Chan> I want to know who sent me the money
163 2013-11-29 01:38:50 <sipa> you cannot
164 2013-11-29 01:38:55 <BustyLoli-Chan> what address the money I was sent came from
165 2013-11-29 01:38:56 <BustyLoli-Chan> why not?
166 2013-11-29 01:39:13 <sipa> if you need to distinguish senders, give them distinct addresses
167 2013-11-29 01:39:17 <BustyLoli-Chan> blockchain.info https://blockchain.info/tx/53a1121008bd8ee7f1ca955d390fbc1afeac073e81cf30445602b02c21628e09?show_adv=true tells me the transaction and who sent it
168 2013-11-29 01:39:23 <BustyLoli-Chan> how did they figure it out?
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170 2013-11-29 01:39:29 <sipa> bitcoin transactions do not have a 'from' address
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172 2013-11-29 01:39:54 <sipa> they have inputs, and each input refers to the output of a previous transaction
173 2013-11-29 01:40:08 <sipa> those outputs can potentially have identifiable addresses
174 2013-11-29 01:40:24 <sipa> but that does not tell you send the money, or where you can send it back
175 2013-11-29 01:40:38 <sipa> only what key previously controlled the funds
176 2013-11-29 01:41:04 <BustyLoli-Chan> so there is no way to figure out who sent a transaction?
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178 2013-11-29 01:41:20 <sipa> yes, give each sender a different address
179 2013-11-29 01:41:47 <BustyLoli-Chan> even if I do that how do I send money back to that address?
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181 2013-11-29 01:42:08 <sipa> if you need to send money back, ask senders for a refund address
182 2013-11-29 01:42:33 <sipa> or, wait until the new upcoming payment protocol takes off
183 2013-11-29 01:42:49 <sipa> which implicitly creates a refund address for every transaction
184 2013-11-29 01:43:00 <BustyLoli-Chan> but what about http://diceoncrack.com which is unfortunately down at the moment
185 2013-11-29 01:43:08 <sipa> and adds it as metadata to the payment
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187 2013-11-29 01:43:18 <BustyLoli-Chan> I sent them money for a bet
188 2013-11-29 01:43:24 <BustyLoli-Chan> without ever telling them my wallet address
189 2013-11-29 01:43:33 <BustyLoli-Chan> and when I won they sent me the money
190 2013-11-29 01:43:53 <sipa> no idea what that is
191 2013-11-29 01:43:56 <BustyLoli-Chan> also they have static addresses
192 2013-11-29 01:44:07 <BustyLoli-Chan> which don't seem to change
193 2013-11-29 01:44:41 <sipa> yes, there are several sites that infer the refund address from the previous outputs consumed in a transaction
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195 2013-11-29 01:44:58 <sipa> that,s a bad practice, as it doesn't work with shared wallets
196 2013-11-29 01:45:05 <BustyLoli-Chan> so how would I achieve that.....
197 2013-11-29 01:45:08 <BustyLoli-Chan> I see
198 2013-11-29 01:45:20 <sipa> and encourages unnecessary address reuse, which is bad for the privacy of the network as a whole
199 2013-11-29 01:46:00 <BustyLoli-Chan> so then
200 2013-11-29 01:46:25 <BustyLoli-Chan> how else do I have them enter a wallet address and send me money
201 2013-11-29 01:46:43 <sipa> ?
202 2013-11-29 01:47:00 <BustyLoli-Chan> so even if I make a web form
203 2013-11-29 01:47:20 <BustyLoli-Chan> and tell them to enter their wallet address and then send K amount of money to bet
204 2013-11-29 01:47:36 <BustyLoli-Chan> how will I know when K amount is recieved from that address?
205 2013-11-29 01:47:53 <sipa> there is no 'from' address
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207 2013-11-29 01:48:00 <sipa> it does not exist in the protocol
208 2013-11-29 01:48:12 <BustyLoli-Chan> but people have done it lol
209 2013-11-29 01:48:23 <sipa> yes, and it cripples the network
210 2013-11-29 01:48:23 <BustyLoli-Chan> even if it's bad practice
211 2013-11-29 01:48:30 <BustyLoli-Chan> I would like to replicate this effect
212 2013-11-29 01:48:46 <sipa> then please don't ask for advise here
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214 2013-11-29 01:49:06 <BustyLoli-Chan> if i can't do it without bad practice
215 2013-11-29 01:49:15 <sipa> you can
216 2013-11-29 01:49:15 <BustyLoli-Chan> then how would I do it with the proper practice
217 2013-11-29 01:49:21 <sipa> and several sites do it right
218 2013-11-29 01:49:45 <sipa> people visit your site, they enter a refund address
219 2013-11-29 01:49:50 <BustyLoli-Chan> have them send me money and keep it in an account for them? and then gamble it and ask them where they want me to send it back to?
220 2013-11-29 01:49:51 <shesek> BustyLoli-Chan, <sipa> yes, give each sender a different address
221 2013-11-29 01:50:07 <sipa> you give them a fresh bet address associated with their session/refund address
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223 2013-11-29 01:50:20 <shesek> you give them a unique address, and associate that with the user information
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225 2013-11-29 01:50:33 <BustyLoli-Chan> there isn't any use information
226 2013-11-29 01:50:42 <BustyLoli-Chan> it's suppose to be anonymous
227 2013-11-29 01:50:47 <BustyLoli-Chan> *user
228 2013-11-29 01:50:49 <[\\\]> 1) User wants to do a tx. 2) Your system generates a receiving address and you make a note of that. 3) When your system determines a tx with a sufficent number of confirmations from blocks exists, you process it as determine by your system. 4) Go back to 1.
229 2013-11-29 01:50:51 <sipa> it can be anonymous sessions
230 2013-11-29 01:50:52 <BustyLoli-Chan> ironically enough
231 2013-11-29 01:51:02 <sipa> you don't need actual user data
232 2013-11-29 01:51:22 <sipa> even better, just keep a balance in the session
233 2013-11-29 01:51:28 <sipa> and give them a cash out button
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235 2013-11-29 01:52:09 <BustyLoli-Chan> ^ how do I know when they've actually sent the money
236 2013-11-29 01:52:42 <[\\\]> you query your bitcoind
237 2013-11-29 01:52:48 <[\\\]> or have your bitcoind perform on tx
238 2013-11-29 01:53:04 <[\\\]> you should consult ./bitcoind help
239 2013-11-29 01:53:28 <sipa> or use any of the other wallet implementations that are perhaps easier to use than bitcoind
240 2013-11-29 01:53:34 <[\\\]> or that
241 2013-11-29 01:53:42 <BustyLoli-Chan> I have consulted bitcoind ./help
242 2013-11-29 01:53:48 <[\\\]> I'd say roll your own, but that's probably a bit beyond the current skill set
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248 2013-11-29 01:56:02 <BustyLoli-Chan> my biggest concern with this is that my wallet is going to end up a giant nightmare
249 2013-11-29 01:56:12 <BustyLoli-Chan> with 5 billion addresses in it
250 2013-11-29 01:57:51 <tim`> if they're bothering you feel free to send me your bitcoins
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252 2013-11-29 01:58:49 <[\\\]> lol
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256 2013-11-29 01:59:29 <tim`> BustyLoli-Chan: you aren't the one that runs that loli website are you ?
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258 2013-11-29 01:59:43 <BustyLoli-Chan> what loli website?
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261 2013-11-29 02:01:17 <tim`> um it was on /r/bitcoin the other day
262 2013-11-29 02:01:35 <BustyLoli-Chan> uh... I guess it depends on what the site had
263 2013-11-29 02:01:49 <tim`> looking for link
264 2013-11-29 02:01:52 <tim`> austin tx based
265 2013-11-29 02:02:53 <BustyLoli-Chan> I'm not texas based... But go on, I'm curious lol
266 2013-11-29 02:03:09 <tim`> hold on im trying to find the link lol
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270 2013-11-29 02:05:10 <tim`> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1ril88/just_walked_a_reporter_from_time_magazine_through/
271 2013-11-29 02:05:14 <tim`> lollyphile
272 2013-11-29 02:05:16 <tim`> was the site
273 2013-11-29 02:06:18 <tim`> memorable because i had no idea such things existed until this article
274 2013-11-29 02:06:23 <BustyLoli-Chan> that's not me lol
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276 2013-11-29 02:06:31 <BustyLoli-Chan> but this does give me domain name ideas
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290 2013-11-29 02:18:24 <tim`> do you run a different store?
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295 2013-11-29 02:26:13 <BustyLoli-Chan> no
296 2013-11-29 02:26:21 <BustyLoli-Chan> I'm trying to run a bitcoin RNG casino
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299 2013-11-29 02:27:37 <Shishire> Getting some weird, reproducible errors with my bitcoin-qt wallet.dat file. Is this the place to report them?
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301 2013-11-29 02:28:51 <BlueMatt> Shishire: probably on github, but maybe here
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303 2013-11-29 02:29:20 <BlueMatt> if you know its a bug -> github, if you think its a bug -> ???, if you dont really think its a bug but arent sure -> here, if you think its not a bug -> #bitcoin
304 2013-11-29 02:30:40 <Shishire> I'm getting an exception and a crash, but it's related to my wallet specifically. Which is a problem because it's not like I can upload it so someone can take a look at it.
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307 2013-11-29 02:36:13 <BlueMatt> is it encrypted/would you upload it to a dev?
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309 2013-11-29 02:38:24 <Shishire> BlueMatt, it's temporarily unencrypted while I deal with trying to recover it, and I wouldn't be thrilled with the idea of uploading it to anyone.
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313 2013-11-29 02:42:28 <BlueMatt> well, I meant bitcoin-encrypted, but, ok
314 2013-11-29 02:42:47 <BlueMatt> anywhoo...whats the exception?
315 2013-11-29 02:42:52 <BlueMatt> /debug.log
316 2013-11-29 02:44:08 <Shishire> EXCEPTION: St13runtime_error CWallet::GenerateNewKey() : AddKey failed C:\Program Files (x86)\Bitcoin\bitcoin-qt.exe in Runaway exception
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318 2013-11-29 02:44:48 <phantomcircuit> Shishire, are you out of disk space
319 2013-11-29 02:45:03 <Shishire> Nowhere near.
320 2013-11-29 02:45:21 <Shishire> The file is also not read-only.
321 2013-11-29 02:46:08 <Shishire> And permissions don't appear to be out of whack
322 2013-11-29 02:46:43 <Shishire> Also, at the very end of the debug.log, I've got this: EnvShutdown exception: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery (-30974)
323 2013-11-29 02:47:25 <Shishire> The rest appears to be recieved getdata lines
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334 2013-11-29 03:10:06 <BlueMatt> Shishire: can you run bdb tools on the wallet?
335 2013-11-29 03:12:48 <BustyLoli-Chan> holy crap... I didn't realize "accounts" could have multiple "address"ess....
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340 2013-11-29 03:17:55 <phantomcircuit> BustyLoli-Chan, what are you using accounts for?
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348 2013-11-29 03:38:43 <BustyLoli-Chan> well since there is no from
349 2013-11-29 03:38:56 <BustyLoli-Chan> everyone suggested I make multiple addresses to receive money from
350 2013-11-29 03:39:10 <BustyLoli-Chan> I'd like to keep all these addresses under one general account
351 2013-11-29 03:39:12 <phantomcircuit> yeah the suggestion is one per transaction
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382 2013-11-29 05:03:56 <diki> this isnt funny
383 2013-11-29 05:04:08 <diki> why is my parser detecting more blocks than there are?
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385 2013-11-29 05:04:22 <diki> I am currently at over 330k blocks
386 2013-11-29 05:04:34 <diki> Don't tell me it keeps orphans too?
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388 2013-11-29 05:08:19 <diki> scratch that
389 2013-11-29 05:08:46 <kjj> yeah, pretty sure there haven't been 60k orphans
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394 2013-11-29 05:11:51 <diki> hmm
395 2013-11-29 05:11:57 <phantomcircuit> diki, which parser?
396 2013-11-29 05:12:02 <diki> phantomcircuit:My own.
397 2013-11-29 05:12:10 <phantomcircuit> you're parsing the blk*.dat files?
398 2013-11-29 05:12:14 <diki> yeah
399 2013-11-29 05:12:22 <phantomcircuit> and you're checking for duplicates?
400 2013-11-29 05:12:25 <diki> but it was parsing blk00000.dat up to 400k blocks
401 2013-11-29 05:12:28 <diki> I am not
402 2013-11-29 05:12:28 <phantomcircuit> there could be partial blocks
403 2013-11-29 05:12:36 <phantomcircuit> multiple times
404 2013-11-29 05:12:47 <phantomcircuit> heh
405 2013-11-29 05:12:48 <diki> no wonder my blockchain is 13 gigabytes
406 2013-11-29 05:12:51 <diki> yet people say its 10
407 2013-11-29 05:12:52 <phantomcircuit> sounds like you have a bug more likely
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409 2013-11-29 05:13:03 <phantomcircuit> diki, people are lazy and they round
410 2013-11-29 05:13:07 <kjj> did you read the source for the bootstrap file parser?
411 2013-11-29 05:13:09 <phantomcircuit> and/or dont know what it is
412 2013-11-29 05:13:20 <diki> kjj, no I implemented via the protocol specifications
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414 2013-11-29 05:13:35 <phantomcircuit> diki, the easiest way is to split the entire file up using the magic value
415 2013-11-29 05:13:42 <phantomcircuit> it's very unlikely to appear in a block on it's own
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417 2013-11-29 05:14:01 <diki> I am
418 2013-11-29 05:14:09 <diki> the first thing I do is read the 4 byte magic value
419 2013-11-29 05:14:21 <kjj> no, don't split the file by the magic value
420 2013-11-29 05:14:22 <diki> the program exits if it cant find it
421 2013-11-29 05:14:38 <diki> then split it by what?
422 2013-11-29 05:14:47 <kjj> read the parser in LoadExternalBlockFile in main.cpp
423 2013-11-29 05:14:52 <diki> http://james.lab6.com/2012/01/12/bitcoin-285-bytes-that-changed-the-world/#magicnetworkid
424 2013-11-29 05:15:00 <diki> "Notably, the magic network ID is not part of the block. It is used solely as a delimiter between blocks."
425 2013-11-29 05:15:39 <lianj> magic + length. 8 bytes, then read length which is the payload for the next block. then repeat
426 2013-11-29 05:15:46 <kjj> the correct way is to read the file, and only look for magic when you aren't already in a block
427 2013-11-29 05:16:08 <phantomcircuit> lianj, except the length can be wrong
428 2013-11-29 05:16:17 <phantomcircuit> those files can have partial blocks
429 2013-11-29 05:16:18 <kjj> you also need to verify that each block is valid. the block files give no promise of validity
430 2013-11-29 05:16:31 <lianj> phantomcircuit: really? never happened for my bootstrap files
431 2013-11-29 05:16:43 <phantomcircuit> lianj, yeah, it's exceptionally unlikely
432 2013-11-29 05:16:47 <phantomcircuit> but it's possible
433 2013-11-29 05:16:48 <diki> my blockchain is from 2011 btw
434 2013-11-29 05:17:06 <kjj> and by valid, I don't mean you need to verify all of the transactions, just check that the length makes sense and the block meets minimum standards
435 2013-11-29 05:17:08 <phantomcircuit> diki, it's also possible that you're the only person to have ever been attacked with a diff=1 fork
436 2013-11-29 05:17:12 <phantomcircuit> but i doubt that
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438 2013-11-29 05:17:42 <kjj> I've written a parser for the block files, and it works if you design it right
439 2013-11-29 05:17:57 <diki> kjj:Define "length makes sense"
440 2013-11-29 05:18:05 <kjj> the magic value is allowed to occur within a block
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442 2013-11-29 05:18:32 <diki> well, I do believe that if something was wrong the program would quit
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445 2013-11-29 05:19:08 <kjj> when we were working on the torrent, greg and I wrote our own parsers and came up with matching hashes for the canonical forms
446 2013-11-29 05:19:58 <diki> this is the parser if you want to look
447 2013-11-29 05:19:59 <diki> http://pastebin.com/YvrjjUC7
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449 2013-11-29 05:21:12 <diki> I skip some values btw
450 2013-11-29 05:21:20 <phantomcircuit> kjj, LoadExternalBlockFile is basically doing what i suggested with the additional check of sanity checking the length
451 2013-11-29 05:21:22 <diki> I don't need some data, so I seek a bit forward
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453 2013-11-29 05:22:47 <phantomcircuit> it's scanning for the magic value, reading the length value, and then processing it all if 80 <= length <= MAX_BLOCK_SIZE
454 2013-11-29 05:22:52 <diki> It is possible I have a bug, but I am not seeeing anythng
455 2013-11-29 05:23:46 <lianj> phantomcircuit: isn't the format broken then fix the payload length field is can sometimes be wrong. makes no sense
456 2013-11-29 05:23:53 <lianj> s/then/when
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459 2013-11-29 05:24:35 <phantomcircuit> lianj, if the length is wrong that block will be rejected since the transactions will be gibberish
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461 2013-11-29 05:25:00 <phantomcircuit> it's calling ProcessBlock()
462 2013-11-29 05:25:13 <phantomcircuit> and just ignores errors
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464 2013-11-29 05:25:48 <lianj> so you can still do: loop{ m,l = fp.read(8).unpack("II"); payload = fp.read(l) }
465 2013-11-29 05:26:48 <phantomcircuit> the magic value isn't guaranteed to be aligned on an 8 byte boundary
466 2013-11-29 05:27:07 <phantomcircuit> but i guess that it would be very very unlikely not to be
467 2013-11-29 05:27:10 <diki> I think I see the problem
468 2013-11-29 05:27:16 <phantomcircuit> unless you have weird sector sizes or something
469 2013-11-29 05:27:42 <kjj> nothing jumping out as an obvious bug in your parser so far
470 2013-11-29 05:28:02 <lianj> every dat i parsed worked just fine with the loop above, but guess good to know then
471 2013-11-29 05:28:13 <kjj> your varint handling won't cover the 8 byte case that hasn't happened yet (and won't)
472 2013-11-29 05:28:15 <lianj> kjj: only makes my eyes bleed
473 2013-11-29 05:28:37 <diki> kjj:Well I think it didn't detect end of file
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476 2013-11-29 05:28:48 <diki> the last 4 bytes in my blk00000.dat file were 0
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478 2013-11-29 05:28:59 <diki> so I assumed that the parser would catch it
479 2013-11-29 05:29:10 <diki> will try again to see if it reappears
480 2013-11-29 05:29:21 <phantomcircuit> diki, in general the parser should assume the files are just lots of garbage with some blocks mixed in
481 2013-11-29 05:29:58 <kjj> in practice, my block files were clean as hell. no garbage, no corrupt blocks, no gaps
482 2013-11-29 05:30:08 <kjj> but yeah, your parser should be defensive
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490 2013-11-29 05:39:25 <kjj> since you don't handle eof, my guess is that fread(&magic_bytes) at the top leaves it unchanged
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492 2013-11-29 05:40:47 <kjj> ditto all of the other freads into named variables. most of your blocks are probably clones of the actual last block
493 2013-11-29 05:41:12 <diki> even though they should be "destroyed" on each loop?
494 2013-11-29 05:41:20 <kjj> destroyed?
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496 2013-11-29 05:41:57 <kjj> fread copies from the source to the destination. if the length copied is 0, the destination is unchanged
497 2013-11-29 05:42:05 <diki> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_variable
498 2013-11-29 05:42:12 <diki> they should be what is known as automatic variables
499 2013-11-29 05:42:21 <diki> unless of course I am missing something
500 2013-11-29 05:42:56 <kjj> if they end up on the stack, the stack is unchanged in each iteration
501 2013-11-29 05:43:31 <phantomcircuit> diki, if you're not initializing them then their initial state is undefined
502 2013-11-29 05:43:51 <phantomcircuit> normally that means they're \x00 in memory because glibc zeros memory (as does the kernel)
503 2013-11-29 05:44:05 <phantomcircuit> however since it's stack memory and you're using exactly the same memory without reallocating
504 2013-11-29 05:44:14 <phantomcircuit> it's going to be initalized to whatever was there before
505 2013-11-29 05:44:20 <diki> alright, recompiled
506 2013-11-29 05:44:23 <diki> lets see if it goes anywhere
507 2013-11-29 05:45:26 <diki> Alright
508 2013-11-29 05:45:27 <diki> works now
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510 2013-11-29 05:45:38 <diki> around block 188k it it went to the next file
511 2013-11-29 05:45:43 <kjj> sounds about right
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515 2013-11-29 05:46:28 <kjj> woah. has it really been 13 months since I wrote my parser?
516 2013-11-29 05:46:32 <diki> so can you clarify again what kind of sanity I should do?
517 2013-11-29 05:46:51 <diki> kjj:Are you the guy that claimed that his parser took 90 seconds to parse the blockchain?
518 2013-11-29 05:46:55 <diki> the one on google code?
519 2013-11-29 05:46:59 <kjj> ha! no
520 2013-11-29 05:47:22 <kjj> mine is written in PHP. I don't think I can make it through the first file in 50 seconds, much less the busy part later on
521 2013-11-29 05:47:42 <kjj> diki: failing out if you don't find magic should be pretty safe
522 2013-11-29 05:48:00 <diki> but phantomcircuit said something about length checks?
523 2013-11-29 05:48:23 <diki> I am not sure what "80 <= length <= MAX_BLOCK_SIZE" would mean
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525 2013-11-29 05:49:46 <kjj> the block can't be shorter than 80 bytes because of the header
526 2013-11-29 05:49:46 <phantomcircuit> diki, the bitcoin client applies a number of tests to identify valid blocks in those files
527 2013-11-29 05:49:54 <phantomcircuit> probably more strenuous tests than you want to do
528 2013-11-29 05:49:59 <kjj> it also can't be longer than the maximum block size, which is 1 MB
529 2013-11-29 05:50:13 <kjj> actually, it might be 1 million bytes. I should check that
530 2013-11-29 05:50:24 <phantomcircuit> it is 1 million bytes
531 2013-11-29 05:50:40 <kjj> lame
532 2013-11-29 05:51:14 <kjj> I think that means we can narrow down Satoshi's identity to a telecom worker or the employee of a hard drive manufacturer
533 2013-11-29 05:51:55 <phantomcircuit> lol
534 2013-11-29 05:52:20 <kjj> or, I guess Sony, because they came out with the abomination of the 1.44 MB floppy, where absolutely none of the units match up
535 2013-11-29 05:52:35 <null> with black friday coming up... is there a plot that shows time over block size?
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537 2013-11-29 05:52:45 <null> more like block size over time
538 2013-11-29 05:53:03 <null> or are we still fine for some time?
539 2013-11-29 05:53:11 <kjj> blockchain.info/charts
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542 2013-11-29 05:53:25 <swulf--> network's averaging about 1 tx/sec
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544 2013-11-29 05:53:35 <swulf--> iirc, 1mb blocks will get hit with a ~7-8 tx/sec
545 2013-11-29 05:53:49 <kjj> I don't think they have a chart specific to block size
546 2013-11-29 05:54:16 <null> kjj: thanks. unfortunately they screwed up: https://blockchain.info/charts/avg-block-size (see y-tics :)
547 2013-11-29 05:54:21 <kjj> swulf--: that only applies to reasonably efficient blocks
548 2013-11-29 05:54:30 <swulf--> kjj: it's a generalized statement, sure
549 2013-11-29 05:55:10 <kjj> null: 2 week increments on the ticks. what's the problem?
550 2013-11-29 05:55:26 <null> kjj: the y-axis
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552 2013-11-29 05:55:38 <kjj> oh, that's X.
553 2013-11-29 05:55:40 <null> it just says 0. I have no idea where the 1MB limit is and where we currently are :)
554 2013-11-29 05:55:53 <diki> it is sad I cant skip the inputs and outputs
555 2013-11-29 05:55:59 <diki> they make the parser so slow
556 2013-11-29 05:56:00 <kjj> heh. that's kinda funny
557 2013-11-29 05:56:18 <null> that's what you get for automating everything ;)
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559 2013-11-29 05:56:29 <kjj> diki: you skip the length field. if you read it, you can skip the txlist
560 2013-11-29 05:56:40 <null> well, the CSV file says ~0.1x MB
561 2013-11-29 05:56:45 <null> so I guess we're fine
562 2013-11-29 05:57:14 <kjj> oh, so the scale is accurate-ish?
563 2013-11-29 05:58:46 <diki> I see
564 2013-11-29 05:59:10 <diki> Well actually my goal is given an address, parse the chain and find the utxo
565 2013-11-29 05:59:21 <diki> in fact, I should export the utxos
566 2013-11-29 05:59:34 <kjj> in that case, yeah, you need to parse the txlist
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568 2013-11-29 05:59:57 <diki> Sadly, I am not sure how exactly you figure out the "final balance as some call it" of the address
569 2013-11-29 06:00:17 <kjj> diki: the network knows no such concept
570 2013-11-29 06:00:41 <diki> I know, which is why I am wondering what to do.
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572 2013-11-29 06:01:10 <kjj> basically, as you parse the transactions, you add all outputs to the UTXO set, then you remove the ones that get redeemed when they get redeemed in a future block
573 2013-11-29 06:01:23 <phantomcircuit> diki, there is no rational way to calculate that other than the total number of UTXO which pay to that address
574 2013-11-29 06:01:34 <kjj> find all of the ones that can be redeemed by a given key, and add them up, that is the balance
575 2013-11-29 06:02:24 <kjj> after you do it once, you really appreciate the node (or some random website) doing it for you
576 2013-11-29 06:02:50 <phantomcircuit> diki, the problem is that people really dont understand change addresses
577 2013-11-29 06:03:05 <diki> phantomcircuit:Well, you can include me too
578 2013-11-29 06:03:06 <phantomcircuit> so it scares them when their "address balance" changes but their bitcoin-qt balance doesn't
579 2013-11-29 06:03:18 <diki> that is to say
580 2013-11-29 06:03:29 <phantomcircuit> maybe the bitcoin-qt client should display the change addresses under the addresses tab
581 2013-11-29 06:03:34 <diki> According to people blockchain.info guesses the change address
582 2013-11-29 06:03:54 <phantomcircuit> diki, it does but it really has no way of knowing which is which
583 2013-11-29 06:04:04 <phantomcircuit> it's literally impossible unless the primary address has already been used
584 2013-11-29 06:04:05 <kjj> the node should not be showing change
585 2013-11-29 06:04:09 <phantomcircuit> and even then it's just a guess
586 2013-11-29 06:04:28 <kjj> the node has two modes, in normal mode, change addresses are abstracted away
587 2013-11-29 06:04:33 <phantomcircuit> kjj, why not? it scares people when they look at bc.i and they see a transfer to an address that's not under addresses
588 2013-11-29 06:04:35 <kjj> in raw mode, you are one your own
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590 2013-11-29 06:04:55 <phantomcircuit> it would be really easy to just who change addresses with a label like "change"
591 2013-11-29 06:04:57 <diki> phantomcircuit:Never been scared about that.
592 2013-11-29 06:04:59 <kjj> phantomcircuit: I know they do. but there is no help for them short of learning how it works
593 2013-11-29 06:05:14 <diki> I mean back when there was no blockchain.info
594 2013-11-29 06:05:21 <diki> we all relied on what the client told us
595 2013-11-29 06:05:27 <phantomcircuit> kjj, i can guarantee you that would help like 99% of them without actually understanding what was going on
596 2013-11-29 06:05:54 <phantomcircuit> i deal with this all the time even with people who understand most of bitcoin stuff
597 2013-11-29 06:06:29 <kjj> a visible change address would not help unless it was blinking red on the transaction itself
598 2013-11-29 06:07:45 <kjj> I really understand the scenario you are talking about. it comes from metaphor shear between the reference client and the websites
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600 2013-11-29 06:08:56 <phantomcircuit> kjj, i know but i think we could significantly reduce the confusion without changing the metaphor
601 2013-11-29 06:08:59 <kjj> the websites are in the wrong, in my opinion. if blockchain.info wants to be more user friendly, it should put a note on the address page like "Wondering why the balance is zero? The change ended up in address X or address Y"
602 2013-11-29 06:09:02 <phantomcircuit> by simple displaying the address
603 2013-11-29 06:09:25 <phantomcircuit> kjj, yeah and then they go look for that address in the client and cant find it
604 2013-11-29 06:09:31 <phantomcircuit> (which is what people do now!)
605 2013-11-29 06:09:34 <kjj> if you don't know what a change address is, showing it won't help. and if you do know what it is, you don't panic wondering why your balance is now zero
606 2013-11-29 06:10:09 <phantomcircuit> kjj, i think it would move the problem from "ZOMG MY BITCOINZ" to "huh that's weird"
607 2013-11-29 06:10:13 <phantomcircuit> which is big
608 2013-11-29 06:10:28 <kjj> the reference client intentionally does not operate at that level by default
609 2013-11-29 06:10:43 <diki> phantomcircuit:I react like that when primedice is down and my balance is gone later on
610 2013-11-29 06:10:54 <phantomcircuit> diki, heh
611 2013-11-29 06:11:25 <diki> phantomcircuit:So what happened with those juicy 511 coins?
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613 2013-11-29 06:11:39 <kjj> as far as the user is concerned, the reference client has a balance, and the details of that particular sausage is made is not important
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615 2013-11-29 06:12:02 <kjj> er, add "how" in the appropraite place
616 2013-11-29 06:12:30 <phantomcircuit> kjj, i think that's naive in the assumption of how stupid the average user it
617 2013-11-29 06:12:34 <phantomcircuit> s/it/is/
618 2013-11-29 06:12:55 <phantomcircuit> or at least how content they are to just assume everything works perfectly
619 2013-11-29 06:13:34 <kjj> again, the websites are in the wrong for promoting the idea that addresses have balances
620 2013-11-29 06:14:18 <phantomcircuit> kjj, im not sure that "wrong" is exactly the right way of describing it
621 2013-11-29 06:14:50 <phantomcircuit> in many ways it's an abstraction that makes more sense, but it encourages address reuse which makes it less useful
622 2013-11-29 06:15:41 <Belxjander> phantomcircuit: I try to describe the address changing as a "security built-in"...
623 2013-11-29 06:16:04 <phantomcircuit> change absolutely 100% should be paid to a new address
624 2013-11-29 06:16:23 <phantomcircuit> (or even to multiple addresses in binary values above dust to make them harder to trace later)
625 2013-11-29 06:16:24 <diki> kjj:To be honest
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627 2013-11-29 06:16:34 <diki> I am with the same mentality that addresses have a balance
628 2013-11-29 06:16:41 <diki> even if it's just utxos and whatnot
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630 2013-11-29 06:17:14 <kjj> that's an inaccurate abstraction that causes you lots of pain
631 2013-11-29 06:17:47 <diki> trust me, it would cause me physical pain like a Vulcan's psyche xD
632 2013-11-29 06:17:56 <kjj> bitcoin is a ledger. each line in the ledger destroys some previous line.
633 2013-11-29 06:18:00 <diki> if I tried to think otherwise
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635 2013-11-29 06:18:38 <kjj> block explorers are technical tooks, and can be informative or educational
636 2013-11-29 06:18:42 <kjj> er, tools
637 2013-11-29 06:19:06 <kjj> but for the love of god, people should not be using them track balances of hot wallets
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657 2013-11-29 06:48:02 <shesek> namecheap is having a $.98 domain sale for black friday in 15 minutes, if anyone's interested
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659 2013-11-29 06:48:30 <shesek> it lasts for an hour, or until 300 are sold
660 2013-11-29 06:48:55 <Dagger2> so, for about 3 seconds then
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663 2013-11-29 06:56:13 <shesek> heh, yeah, probably something like that :)
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665 2013-11-29 06:56:37 <shesek> I hope to grab a few before they run out... I wonder if they limit the amount per account
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679 2013-11-29 07:11:55 <maaku> how do you access the namecheap deal?
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682 2013-11-29 07:16:48 * Bituser123 hello
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684 2013-11-29 07:17:38 <shesek> maaku, it hasn't started yet for some reason
685 2013-11-29 07:18:00 <shesek> the countdown was at 5 minutes the last time I look at it, and when I got back it reseted back to an hour
686 2013-11-29 07:18:32 <shesek> they have an hourly promotion on their website, it changes to another deal every round hour
687 2013-11-29 07:18:56 <shesek> just go to the homepage, they have a big banner for that promotion
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689 2013-11-29 07:19:42 <maaku> their page is getting hit hard.. i can't even get it to load :\
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744 2013-11-29 09:03:44 <warren> toffoo: hey
745 2013-11-29 09:03:46 <warren> toffoo: new build
746 2013-11-29 09:03:59 <warren> toffoo: yesterday's build accidentally included the old patch too
747 2013-11-29 09:04:07 <warren> toffoo: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=337294.msg3718821#msg3718821
748 2013-11-29 09:04:12 <warren> toffoo: how were previous test result?
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769 2013-11-29 09:24:43 <warren> we're having trouble finding MacOS testers to confirm the fix and unblock release of 0.8.6
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771 2013-11-29 09:25:16 <chmod755> because nobody uses MacOS
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776 2013-11-29 09:27:32 <Happzz> is setting a minimum tx fee of 0.00000001 instead of 0 going to do any good?
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778 2013-11-29 09:28:51 <tommygunner> the txfee in the options is an optional fee
779 2013-11-29 09:28:55 <corpet> are you dudes getting rich in here?
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785 2013-11-29 09:30:54 <toffoo> hi warren,
786 2013-11-29 09:30:55 <maaku> plenty of devs use macos
787 2013-11-29 09:31:03 <maaku> just not able to reliably reproduce this problem
788 2013-11-29 09:31:15 <toffoo> so far all is still fine with -OMG5
789 2013-11-29 09:31:30 <toffoo> I will go install the -OMG6 binary now,
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791 2013-11-29 09:31:53 <warren> toffoo: one report of corruption with OMG5
792 2013-11-29 09:32:00 <warren> so a little confused
793 2013-11-29 09:32:05 <toffoo> that's interesting
794 2013-11-29 09:32:17 <tommygunner> i had no corruption for a while with the official client
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798 2013-11-29 09:32:26 <tommygunner> then i downloaded OMG and a few days later, corrupted
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800 2013-11-29 09:33:10 <toffoo> should I be safe installing -OMG6 right over -OMG5, or will I have to reindex from v0.7.2 again?
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803 2013-11-29 09:34:53 <warren> tommygunner: which OMG?
804 2013-11-29 09:35:06 <warren> tommygunner: OMG5 was the first with the corruption fix
805 2013-11-29 09:35:24 <warren> toffoo: if you didn't corrupt just keep going with OMG6
806 2013-11-29 09:35:32 <toffoo> ok sounds good
807 2013-11-29 09:35:56 <tommygunner> i think it was omg3 or something
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810 2013-11-29 09:36:14 <warren> tommygunner: OMG3 was the same as 0.8.5, lots of complaints of corruption
811 2013-11-29 09:36:24 <warren> it's random
812 2013-11-29 09:36:31 <warren> some people rarely/never see it
813 2013-11-29 09:36:36 <warren> some peopel see it every day
814 2013-11-29 09:36:53 <tommygunner> i had no problems with the official 0.8.5
815 2013-11-29 09:37:18 <warren> tommygunner: random is random
816 2013-11-29 09:37:28 <warren> tommygunner: one of the reasons 0.8.6 is delayed is to confirm this fix
817 2013-11-29 09:37:35 <warren> tommygunner: if the fix is confirmed, someone wins $20k
818 2013-11-29 09:37:58 <tommygunner> so someone submitted a fix?
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824 2013-11-29 09:39:54 <warren> I hate dumb questions.
825 2013-11-29 09:40:16 <tommygunner> :P
826 2013-11-29 09:40:26 <tommygunner> it seems like its still a thing of chance
827 2013-11-29 09:41:17 <warren> You seem to be learning the meaning of random.
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831 2013-11-29 09:45:25 <toffoo> warren I think in your OMG6 package you've got the exact same binary as OMG5
832 2013-11-29 09:45:34 <warren> ah crap
833 2013-11-29 09:45:36 * warren looks
834 2013-11-29 09:46:03 <toffoo> might be getting late wherever you are? time for a break ;D
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837 2013-11-29 09:47:24 <warren> I hate mac
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840 2013-11-29 09:49:44 <warren> rebuilding
841 2013-11-29 09:50:43 <tommygunner> warren: sorry for wisecracking
842 2013-11-29 09:50:59 <tommygunner> but how do you know a random event doesnt occur anymore so you can pay out the bounty
843 2013-11-29 09:51:49 <warren> tommygunner: some users it happened frequently
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848 2013-11-29 10:02:25 <warren> After launching a listening bitcoind on an IP address that has never done bitcoin before, how long would you expect it to take to have incoming connections?
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856 2013-11-29 10:13:06 <warren> toffoo: http://download1.rpmfusion.org/~warren/bitcoin-0.8.5-OMG6/macosx/
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858 2013-11-29 10:15:08 <warren> toffoo: in the future it will be common for mac builds to be uploaded without testing (like this)
859 2013-11-29 10:17:11 <toffoo> ok thanks warren, that was fast, I'll try this one and let you know how it goes.
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861 2013-11-29 10:18:09 <warren> toffoo: I think restarting it after every new block might help to test it
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864 2013-11-29 10:25:55 <swulf--> is there a convenient way to reduce the bandwidth requirements for bitcoind?
865 2013-11-29 10:26:26 <swulf--> nvm asking google
866 2013-11-29 10:27:43 <warren> swulf--: there's a script in contrib/ somewhere
867 2013-11-29 10:27:49 <warren> swulf--: for linux
868 2013-11-29 10:28:03 <swulf--> ah, thanks
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874 2013-11-29 10:36:39 <madthanu> doof says his DB got corrupted after a power trip :/ now feeling bad I hadn't investigated my LevelDB system crash bugs for the bounty ... anyways
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887 2013-11-29 11:01:40 <warren> toffoo: you there?
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893 2013-11-29 11:06:55 <swulf--> is there something unusual about block 0000000000000006a5243b279078d42fd07aa87b6dd6efe0a37bab28d6c11ba9?
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897 2013-11-29 11:16:07 <swulf--> yeah
898 2013-11-29 11:16:19 <swulf--> the inputscript used 0x4c for a piece of data less than 0x4c in size
899 2013-11-29 11:16:25 <swulf--> I suppose that's legal?? :P
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919 2013-11-29 11:53:48 <toffoo> warren hi
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922 2013-11-29 12:00:03 <warren> toffoo: hi
923 2013-11-29 12:00:20 <warren> toffoo: if you see corruption, save the chainstate/ directory, devs want that
924 2013-11-29 12:00:35 <toffoo> ok sure
925 2013-11-29 12:00:57 <toffoo> -OMG6 working fine so far
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927 2013-11-29 12:01:17 <warren> toffoo: start and stop it a lot
928 2013-11-29 12:01:29 <toffoo> ok
929 2013-11-29 12:01:39 <warren> some sleep and wake up too during that
930 2013-11-29 12:01:52 <warren> not really sure what can make the old bug more liikely
931 2013-11-29 12:02:38 <toffoo> it usually happens right before I urgently need to send an important transaction ;D
932 2013-11-29 12:02:50 <warren> toffoo: then do that =)
933 2013-11-29 12:03:04 <toffoo> hehe ok will do
934 2013-11-29 12:03:41 <toffoo> i tried all that on/off/sleep/reboot stuff with -OMG5 yesterday and couldn't phase it,
935 2013-11-29 12:03:59 <toffoo> I'll be doing the same with -OMG6 now today and will update here if anything interesting happens
936 2013-11-29 12:05:45 <warren> I *think* the main issue was stop and start
937 2013-11-29 12:08:49 <diki> so if the block chain file was mapped to memory(or however much you can afford to map) then would traversing it be faster?
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939 2013-11-29 12:09:29 <diki> took me 10-15 minutes for the whole blockchain to be read(counting blocks for instance).
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962 2013-11-29 13:04:12 <tommygunner> warren: OMG6 is still named Bitcoin-Qt.app :P
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964 2013-11-29 13:04:29 <tommygunner> in case you are looking for another reason to re-do it
965 2013-11-29 13:04:30 <warren> tommygunner: does the about box say OMG6?
966 2013-11-29 13:04:35 <warren> tommygunner: no
967 2013-11-29 13:05:30 <tommygunner> $ Desktop/Bitcoin-Qt\ OMG.app/Contents/MacOS/Bitcoin-Qt --help
968 2013-11-29 13:05:30 <tommygunner> Bitcoin-Qt version v0.8.5-OMG3-beta
969 2013-11-29 13:05:47 <tommygunner> splash screen says OMG6-beta
970 2013-11-29 13:06:28 <tommygunner> time to let it rebuild i guess
971 2013-11-29 13:06:41 <warren> that doesnt look right
972 2013-11-29 13:06:42 <warren> I ran it
973 2013-11-29 13:06:43 <warren> it's fine
974 2013-11-29 13:07:14 <tommygunner> about screen says OMG6 too
975 2013-11-29 13:08:08 <warren> then it's OMG6
976 2013-11-29 13:08:16 <tommygunner> i wasnt questioning that
977 2013-11-29 13:08:32 * warren sleep
978 2013-11-29 13:08:46 <tommygunner> n8
979 2013-11-29 13:11:17 <serialbandicoot> hi - I'm trying to use bitcoind sendrawtransaction and I get a hash returned, but it's never making it into the block chain. I'm trying on testnet. Has anyone got any suggestions. Please :)
980 2013-11-29 13:14:46 <Happzz> did you broadcast it?
981 2013-11-29 13:17:15 <serialbandicoot> how do you broadcast it? I thought by just running ./bitcoind send raw.. would broadcast it?
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990 2013-11-29 13:27:59 <kjj> what's the txid?
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994 2013-11-29 13:29:39 <serialbandicoot> ./bitcoind getrawtransaction de8c4a46345faa7e9f74a25ee3420db60aabab12e1316f875706c1dd06ca76c8
995 2013-11-29 13:30:06 <serialbandicoot> so it's entered the men pool
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997 2013-11-29 13:32:45 <kjj> none of my nodes have seen it, so it isn't getting relayed
998 2013-11-29 13:32:55 <kjj> how current is your node?
999 2013-11-29 13:33:02 <kjj> (version)
1000 2013-11-29 13:33:03 <serialbandicoot> full node
1001 2013-11-29 13:33:31 <serialbandicoot> get info show "blocks" : 149332,
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1003 2013-11-29 13:33:56 <serialbandicoot> "version" : 89900,
1004 2013-11-29 13:34:05 <serialbandicoot> build on mac from recent git pull
1005 2013-11-29 13:34:56 <kjj> testnet or live?
1006 2013-11-29 13:35:01 <serialbandicoot> testnet
1007 2013-11-29 13:35:14 <kjj> ahh. that explains why none of my nodes have seen your tx. :)
1008 2013-11-29 13:35:31 <serialbandicoot> appal - thought i mentioned earlier
1009 2013-11-29 13:36:05 <kjj> yeah, you did. I just didn't read enough of my scrollback
1010 2013-11-29 13:36:52 <kjj> to answer your question, in general, sendrawtransaction is what you use to broadcast a completed tx
1011 2013-11-29 13:37:31 <kjj> I don't currently have anything on testnet, so I'm not going to be much help diagnosing this specific problem
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1013 2013-11-29 13:38:21 <serialbandicoot> have you got any suggestions as to how I might be able to investigate myself?
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1015 2013-11-29 13:39:31 <serialbandicoot> the decoded hex looks fine
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1017 2013-11-29 13:40:00 <serialbandicoot> is there a way of broadcasting through another methods online perhaps
1018 2013-11-29 13:40:21 <serialbandicoot> presumable I don;t need the address/priv etc in my wallet?
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1020 2013-11-29 13:40:30 <serialbandicoot> As long as the hex as been signed
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1022 2013-11-29 13:41:31 <Burritoh> serialbandicoot: yes. brainwallet.com/#tx is one. blockchain.info also has one, I'll get you a link.
1023 2013-11-29 13:41:48 <swulf--> blockchain.info/pushtx
1024 2013-11-29 13:41:51 <kjj> Burritoh: on testnet?
1025 2013-11-29 13:41:52 <Burritoh> there
1026 2013-11-29 13:41:56 <Burritoh> oh, on testnet, no
1027 2013-11-29 13:41:58 <Burritoh> sorry, just joined
1028 2013-11-29 13:42:09 <Burritoh> There might be one, I don't know of it.
1029 2013-11-29 13:42:19 <serialbandicoot> for testnet
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1031 2013-11-29 13:43:41 <serialbandicoot> would using a pre-release of bitcoind cause the issue?
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1033 2013-11-29 13:46:36 <kjj> shouldn't, usually
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1035 2013-11-29 13:48:45 <kjj> oh, sweet. the reboot button on the phone system's GUI doesn't ask for confirmation
1036 2013-11-29 13:48:54 <serialbandicoot> So if I get a hash back from sendrawtransaction and decoderawtransaction was ok. I'm at a loss as to why it never made it onto the blockchain.
1037 2013-11-29 13:48:59 <kjj> anyhow, there can be several reasons a tx doesn't make it into a block
1038 2013-11-29 13:49:35 <serialbandicoot> please do tell :)
1039 2013-11-29 13:49:45 <kjj> it may not be relayed to a miner. the miner may not like it. the miner doesn't think it is important enough
1040 2013-11-29 13:50:40 <serialbandicoot> Interesting I put the fee at 0.005
1041 2013-11-29 13:50:42 <kjj> if your node is current, it is unlikely that the transaction is invalid because of a spent input
1042 2013-11-29 13:51:29 <kjj> as in, if your node is many blocks behind, it may think the transaction is valid because it doesn't know that one of the inputs has been spent in a block it doesn't know about yet
1043 2013-11-29 13:51:50 <kjj> I don't use testnet much, so I don't know what tools are available for it
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1045 2013-11-29 13:52:49 <serialbandicoot> I'm presuming there is some mining on testnet.
1046 2013-11-29 13:53:48 <serialbandicoot> If I send from the Bitcoin-Qt it works completely fine. So I'm guessing it was something to do with sendrawtransaction.
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1048 2013-11-29 13:56:39 <serialbandicoot> So it looks like I'm a little bit stuffed :(
1049 2013-11-29 13:56:49 <kjj> hard to diagnose the problem without tools
1050 2013-11-29 13:57:00 <kjj> I presume some tools are available, I just don't know them
1051 2013-11-29 13:58:44 <serialbandicoot> is there a raw hex verifier?
1052 2013-11-29 13:59:22 <kjj> blockchain.info has a tx decoder
1053 2013-11-29 13:59:43 <serialbandicoot> :) tried that - all looks sounds.
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1057 2013-11-29 14:03:56 <swulf--> I've been doing a bunch of multisig and p2sh stuff lately, and one question has been bugging me.. curious if anyone has a good answer: why don't checkmultisig scripts use public key hashes instead of public keys directly?
1058 2013-11-29 14:04:18 <serialbandicoot> thank kjj for the help anyway.
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1061 2013-11-29 14:05:24 <serialbandicoot> I created a question on bit coin.statckexhange see if anyone has any thoughts.
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1064 2013-11-29 14:07:20 <kjj> in p2sh, the pubkeys are hidden until the transaction is redeemed anyway
1065 2013-11-29 14:07:34 <kjj> and the pubkey has to be published to verify the sig
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1070 2013-11-29 14:12:01 <TD> swulf--: addresses weren't originally intended to be so prominent, in the very first bitcoin release
1071 2013-11-29 14:12:14 <TD> swulf--: that's why they don't have any kind of custom script form,even though that'd be more efficient
1072 2013-11-29 14:12:16 <TD> etc
1073 2013-11-29 14:12:36 <swulf--> TD: really? seems like the market picked a pretty effective choice though
1074 2013-11-29 14:12:53 <swulf--> hiding the actual pubkeys has some advantages, no?
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1077 2013-11-29 14:14:15 <TD> not really?
1078 2013-11-29 14:14:27 <TD> i mean, the point of addresses is they're 160 bits so they're short and can be typed by hand
1079 2013-11-29 14:14:35 <TD> what's the advantage of hiding the pubkey?
1080 2013-11-29 14:14:40 <swulf--> quantum factoring?
1081 2013-11-29 14:14:57 <swulf--> i actually thought that was the main point of using hashed pubkeys
1082 2013-11-29 14:15:00 <TD> no
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1084 2013-11-29 14:15:02 <TD> not at all
1085 2013-11-29 14:15:14 <swulf--> i mean, it also reduces the data size
1086 2013-11-29 14:15:18 <swulf--> which is a positive
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1088 2013-11-29 14:15:33 <TD> no
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1090 2013-11-29 14:15:42 <TD> wrong again, sorry ;) it increases total data size in the block chain
1091 2013-11-29 14:15:42 <jpentland> Are there any good ongoing hardware-wallet projects at the moment?
1092 2013-11-29 14:15:45 <kjj> yes, it is also safer. and one of the arguments against reusing addresses
1093 2013-11-29 14:15:53 <TD> jpentland: trezor?
1094 2013-11-29 14:16:03 <swulf--> TD: only because the scriptSig doesn't extract pubkeys from signatures?
1095 2013-11-29 14:16:42 <jpentland> TD, looks pretty cool
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1097 2013-11-29 14:17:00 <swulf--> definitely true that sig+pubkey+pubkeyhash is > sig+pubkey in size; but you can get rid of pubkey and do sig+pubkeyhash.. that would be smaller, no?
1098 2013-11-29 14:17:14 <jpentland> I think securely storing bitcoins in a transferrable way really needs to be worked on
1099 2013-11-29 14:17:15 <TD> swulf--: right.
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1101 2013-11-29 14:17:53 <kjj> swulf--: you can't verify the sig without the pubkey
1102 2013-11-29 14:18:08 <swulf--> kjj: you can figure out the pubkey from a sig, I believe
1103 2013-11-29 14:18:27 <swulf--> (and you can verify the hash of the pubkey)
1104 2013-11-29 14:20:17 <kjj> hmm. yeah, you can figure out the pubkey. that's odd. there must be some reason
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1109 2013-11-29 14:27:22 <TD> it's just the way the equations work out
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1112 2013-11-29 14:28:45 <kjj> no, I mean a reason why we include it
1113 2013-11-29 14:29:06 <TD> because satoshi didn't know about key recovery
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1115 2013-11-29 14:29:22 <TD> his understanding of ECC wasn't deep. he knew it worked. that's it.
1116 2013-11-29 14:29:35 <swulf--> TD: what, you saying Satoshi wasn't an all-knowing genius?
1117 2013-11-29 14:29:44 <TD> i believe it was sipa who discovered you could recover the pubkey from the signature (with a couple of disambiguation bits)
1118 2013-11-29 14:32:13 <topace> hey question, how can i get the latest block count from the bitcoind daemon itself? not what its synced up to (getblockcount, getinfo, etc) but the actual height of the chain.
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1120 2013-11-29 14:32:30 <topace> i know it can do it because bitcoin-qt shows x of y syncing message
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1122 2013-11-29 14:32:34 <topace> i need to know "y" :)
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1124 2013-11-29 14:32:48 <kjj> topace: y comes from version messages from peers
1125 2013-11-29 14:33:06 <topace> is there an rpc call that can report on that ?
1126 2013-11-29 14:33:09 <swulf--> kjj: but peers could lie
1127 2013-11-29 14:33:10 <kjj> no
1128 2013-11-29 14:33:15 <topace> or do i have to grep the debug log
1129 2013-11-29 14:33:24 <kjj> swulf--: exactly
1130 2013-11-29 14:33:28 <kjj> topace: actually, getpeerinfo
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1132 2013-11-29 14:33:49 <topace> so if you trust a peer explicitly, you could rely on their block count?
1133 2013-11-29 14:33:52 <kjj> that will show what each peer reported as their top of chain at the time they connected
1134 2013-11-29 14:34:22 <kjj> meh. getting fooled about the chain height isn't a big deal usually
1135 2013-11-29 14:35:12 <topace> hmm so that shows their block chain height at the time they connect
1136 2013-11-29 14:35:23 <topace> but if bitcoind has been running for a while, those could be well off
1137 2013-11-29 14:35:27 <kjj> yup
1138 2013-11-29 14:35:40 <Burritoh> Anyone know how Bitcoin-Qt can send an invalid transaction, which then become stuck? All other transactions are confirmed. This is related to a question in #bitcoin.
1139 2013-11-29 14:35:47 <Burritoh> Is it just bad luck or something? or a bug?
1140 2013-11-29 14:35:48 <kjj> but that is what the UI reports while it is downloading. the number of blocks between what it knows and the highest value reported by a peer
1141 2013-11-29 14:36:13 <kjj> Burritoh: invalid in what way? and stuck how?
1142 2013-11-29 14:36:27 <Burritoh> kjj: doesn't appear on the blockchain, not relayed by nodes, but standard fee paid
1143 2013-11-29 14:36:55 <Burritoh> 7e5e70eed73e345bf679686e20a0a828c93b8987ec874112344f2308cc6e8ac0
1144 2013-11-29 14:37:03 <Burritoh> ^ is the transaction
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1146 2013-11-29 14:37:46 <swulf--> I don't have it either
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1148 2013-11-29 14:37:57 <kjj> none of my nodes know it, nor does blockchain.info
1149 2013-11-29 14:38:07 <swulf--> must have been bad and nobody will relay it :)
1150 2013-11-29 14:38:11 <Burritoh> kjj: yes, that's the conundrum :<
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1152 2013-11-29 14:38:21 <swulf--> burritoh: getrawtransaction it and give us the tx
1153 2013-11-29 14:38:44 <jpentland> If it was completely invalid would it just be discarded before reaching blockchain/other nodes?
1154 2013-11-29 14:38:48 <kjj> I think there is a rounding bug that can make fees slightly too low
1155 2013-11-29 14:41:03 <Burritoh> swulf--: in progress, this question is related to another person :)
1156 2013-11-29 14:41:05 <TD> Burritoh: verson skew?
1157 2013-11-29 14:41:16 <Burritoh> TD: nope, latest debian build
1158 2013-11-29 14:41:28 <Burritoh> <bluesceada> help about says: "v0.8.5.0-gef14a26-beta"
1159 2013-11-29 14:41:29 <TD> debian sucks, that doesn't mean anything. what *actual* version is it
1160 2013-11-29 14:41:33 <TD> ok
1161 2013-11-29 14:41:43 <TD> so that's not a debian build, i'd hope? given that it's claiming it's unreleased ...
1162 2013-11-29 14:41:57 <swulf--> Ah.
1163 2013-11-29 14:41:59 <Burritoh> It's probably from the PPA on Launchpad or something.
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1165 2013-11-29 14:42:32 <Burritoh> <bluesceada> http://pastebin.com/1v927RpD
1166 2013-11-29 14:43:52 <kjj> need the hex, not the decode
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1169 2013-11-29 14:44:38 <bluesceada> hi, the transaction Burritoh must have posted some minutes ago is from me..
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1172 2013-11-29 14:45:07 <kjj> bluesceada: need the hex, not the decode
1173 2013-11-29 14:45:38 <Burritoh> it's his first transaction
1174 2013-11-29 14:46:11 <kjj> wait, just a normal send through the UI or sendtoaddress?
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1176 2013-11-29 14:46:18 <bluesceada> i used the UI
1177 2013-11-29 14:46:20 <bluesceada> bitcoin-qt
1178 2013-11-29 14:46:22 <bluesceada> from debian
1179 2013-11-29 14:46:30 <bluesceada> previously I just received
1180 2013-11-29 14:46:42 <bluesceada> this? http://pastebin.com/G9xsXNM0
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1182 2013-11-29 14:47:22 <bluesceada> kjj
1183 2013-11-29 14:47:28 <Burritoh> bluesceada: type this in the console "getrawtransaction 7e5e70eed73e345bf679686e20a0a828c93b8987ec874112344f2308cc6e8ac0" - it should say a load of hex code.
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1185 2013-11-29 14:47:34 <kjj> I just sent it through one of my nodes. no rjection so far
1186 2013-11-29 14:47:44 <bluesceada> Burritoh: yeah already did, this is that: http://pastebin.com/G9xsXNM0
1187 2013-11-29 14:47:55 <Burritoh> ah, thanks
1188 2013-11-29 14:48:06 <kjj> so far, hasn't made it to any other nodes...
1189 2013-11-29 14:48:15 <bluesceada> hm
1190 2013-11-29 14:48:15 <swulf--> weird, i have a tx that hasn't propagated either
1191 2013-11-29 14:48:23 <swulf--> kjj: you see a1a80866becc17d7add338354f42b03dd2ddafd2edf055b832194405d4ca65e2 anywhere?
1192 2013-11-29 14:48:42 <Burritoh> It just appeared :)
1193 2013-11-29 14:48:55 <Burritoh> bluesceada: it was sent
1194 2013-11-29 14:48:55 <kjj> swulf--: no
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1196 2013-11-29 14:48:59 <bluesceada> hm ok
1197 2013-11-29 14:49:02 <swulf--> hum..
1198 2013-11-29 14:49:08 <bluesceada> Burritoh: thanks, so far I dont see a confirm here...
1199 2013-11-29 14:50:01 <Burritoh> bluesceada: did you press the button in the coinbase dialogue to confirm that you've sent it?
1200 2013-11-29 14:50:09 <bluesceada> ah i see it on blockhain.info now too
1201 2013-11-29 14:50:10 <bluesceada> good
1202 2013-11-29 14:50:15 <Burritoh> so it should work then
1203 2013-11-29 14:50:20 <bluesceada> Burritoh: yeah I tried multiple times already
1204 2013-11-29 14:50:38 <bluesceada> https://blockchain.info/tx/7e5e70eed73e345bf679686e20a0a828c93b8987ec874112344f2308cc6e8ac0
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1206 2013-11-29 14:51:16 <kjj> I'm guessing that the fees are slightly too low for relay by the majority of nodes
1207 2013-11-29 14:51:22 <Burritoh> bluesceada: how many nodes are you connected to? There should be eight if you don't have a port opened in your router.
1208 2013-11-29 14:51:48 <Burritoh> (mouse-over the bars (like cell phone reception symbol) bottom right to see how many nodes)
1209 2013-11-29 14:52:06 <bluesceada> yeah 8 ...
1210 2013-11-29 14:52:40 <Burritoh> kjj: I didn't know transaction fee was accounted for when deciding to relay
1211 2013-11-29 14:52:46 <Burritoh> only when deciding to prioritise for mining
1212 2013-11-29 14:52:46 <kjj> ok, so if I recall, there is a rounding bug in the fee calculation on some versions
1213 2013-11-29 14:52:55 <Burritoh> ahh..
1214 2013-11-29 14:53:04 <Burritoh> so it was a bug + bad luck :)
1215 2013-11-29 14:53:09 <bluesceada> i didnt forward a port in my "router" (ugly combination rather, because provider enforces it's own modem<->router combination that is quite limited...)
1216 2013-11-29 14:53:10 <kjj> yes, recent versions will not relay a tx that they wouldn't mine
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1218 2013-11-29 14:54:01 <kjj> and by now, the majority of nodes are using that policy
1219 2013-11-29 14:54:11 <bluesceada> so, this would have never went through usually?
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1221 2013-11-29 14:54:28 <kjj> it would have when the priority was high enough
1222 2013-11-29 14:54:40 <Burritoh> So, later?
1223 2013-11-29 14:54:41 <kjj> your wallet keeps trying forever, until it lands in a block
1224 2013-11-29 14:55:05 <kjj> and priority is based on age. so eventually, it would become eligible for free inclusion, and nodes will relay it
1225 2013-11-29 14:55:12 <bluesceada> (sorry I didn't fully read about all bitcoin details so far...)
1226 2013-11-29 14:55:12 <Burritoh> Neat.
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1228 2013-11-29 14:55:46 <bluesceada> but ok sounds reasonable, but in the end a higher transaction fee should probably have been paid?
1229 2013-11-29 14:56:09 <Burritoh> It's a rounding error, which means yes, but the client didn't know that
1230 2013-11-29 14:56:12 <kjj> yes
1231 2013-11-29 14:56:45 <kjj> so, the node calculates the fee it thinks it needs, but rounds it. other nodes don't round when making the relay decision
1232 2013-11-29 14:56:59 <bluesceada> even if percentage wise it was already 0,27% of the btc amount i transfered hmh
1233 2013-11-29 14:57:03 <kjj> so you can end up with fees that are almost, but not quite, enough
1234 2013-11-29 14:57:14 <bluesceada> uh ok
1235 2013-11-29 14:57:15 <kjj> percentages don't matter. size matters
1236 2013-11-29 14:57:25 <kjj> and in this case, size isn't a factor either
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1238 2013-11-29 14:58:31 <kjj> I'm pretty sure gavin fixed the rounding problem, for later versions
1239 2013-11-29 14:58:35 <bluesceada> hm I still dont see a confirmation here
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1242 2013-11-29 14:58:51 <Burritoh> bluesceada: coinbase still should accept it
1243 2013-11-29 14:58:57 <kjj> but as I'm thinking about it right now, maybe a better option would be to use something other than a hard cutoff for relaying
1244 2013-11-29 14:59:09 <bluesceada> kjj ok .. but this is rounding of my peers, so I can't directly do anything about it, right?
1245 2013-11-29 14:59:11 <kjj> it should confirm soon
1246 2013-11-29 14:59:13 <Burritoh> takes about ten minutes for one confirmation, but HIB's Coinbase checkout has accepted it for me at 0 conf.
1247 2013-11-29 14:59:54 <kjj> bluesceada: well, assuming the problem is what I think it is (and it may not be it exactly), the rounding is happening in your node
1248 2013-11-29 15:00:07 <bluesceada> umm ok
1249 2013-11-29 15:00:18 <bluesceada> i can also try the git version or something ...
1250 2013-11-29 15:00:20 <Burritoh> When your node decides to set the transaction fee.
1251 2013-11-29 15:00:28 <kjj> update the next time a release comes out
1252 2013-11-29 15:00:41 <bluesceada> ok then maybe debian packages are updated anyway
1253 2013-11-29 15:00:55 <Burritoh> 0.8.5 is the latest, there is no later
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1255 2013-11-29 15:01:14 <bluesceada> Burritoh: yeah, but git versions ..
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1257 2013-11-29 15:01:45 <Burritoh> You could try that, but I wouldn't risk the instability with my money
1258 2013-11-29 15:02:04 <bluesceada> kjj: so thanks for putting the transaction through one of your nodes!
1259 2013-11-29 15:02:33 <kjj> no problem. by the way, blockchain.info has a page where you can paste the hex in and relay it there
1260 2013-11-29 15:02:43 <kjj> https://blockchain.info/pushtx
1261 2013-11-29 15:02:43 <bluesceada> oh ok
1262 2013-11-29 15:02:46 <bluesceada> thanks
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1327 2013-11-29 16:23:13 <dima1236> hi all, not sure its related to this channel but : how does armory create recieve address in watch only wallet ( does it means it have a private key somewhere on this online machine ? ) ?
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1329 2013-11-29 16:26:24 <Luke-Jr> dima1236: I don't understand the question
1330 2013-11-29 16:26:36 <dima1236> you know armory bitcoin ?
1331 2013-11-29 16:26:41 <dima1236> i created offline wallet
1332 2013-11-29 16:26:46 <dima1236> and then created watch only wallet
1333 2013-11-29 16:26:49 <dima1236> for the online client
1334 2013-11-29 16:26:51 <dima1236> k ?
1335 2013-11-29 16:26:55 <Luke-Jr> k
1336 2013-11-29 16:26:59 <dima1236> in the online client i click on recieve addresses
1337 2013-11-29 16:27:04 <dima1236> and it gives me new address
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1339 2013-11-29 16:27:08 <Luke-Jr> ok
1340 2013-11-29 16:27:11 <dima1236> how it generate new addresses
1341 2013-11-29 16:27:18 <dima1236> if it doesn't have the private key ?
1342 2013-11-29 16:27:28 <Luke-Jr> the public wallet seed is sufficient to generate all addresses
1343 2013-11-29 16:27:39 <Luke-Jr> the private wallet seed is only needed to spend
1344 2013-11-29 16:27:45 <dima1236> oh great, thank you very much!
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1391 2013-11-29 17:51:05 <arioBarzan> what is the latest version that supported regular (not compressed) addresses?
1392 2013-11-29 17:53:55 <Luke-Jr> arioBarzan: addresses aren't compressed or not, just the ECDSA pubkeys used by them
1393 2013-11-29 17:54:18 <Luke-Jr> arioBarzan: all versions support sending to addresses using either, and receiving with uncompressed ones
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1397 2013-11-29 17:57:19 <arioBarzan> my bad. that was not what I wanted to ask. If I could correct myself, I'm asking that at what version sipa's commit for compressed keys got merged?
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1399 2013-11-29 17:57:50 <Luke-Jr> I think 0.5? not 100% sure
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1401 2013-11-29 17:59:12 <arioBarzan> would it be hard to look for that specific commit on github or sourceforge, or I better not to look for it?
1402 2013-11-29 17:59:58 <wumpus> I think it's easier to use the git tool locally if you want to search for a commit, I don't think the github interface supports that
1403 2013-11-29 18:00:24 <wumpus> | * | | | d4d9c73 - Compact signatures with compressed pubkeys (1 year, 11 months ago)
1404 2013-11-29 18:00:24 <wumpus> | * | | | 11529c6 - Compressed pubkeys (1 year, 11 months ago)
1405 2013-11-29 18:00:26 <wumpus> there you go
1406 2013-11-29 18:00:47 <arioBarzan> wumpus: thanks a lot
1407 2013-11-29 18:00:56 <wumpus> now you just need to find out what release that was in :)
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1411 2013-11-29 18:05:08 <gumpus> gumpus wumpus
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1420 2013-11-29 18:13:03 <Emcy> !seen jgarzik
1421 2013-11-29 18:13:03 <gribble> jgarzik was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 1 day, 21 hours, 52 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <jgarzik> Emcy, maybe a folder isn't so bad... cli users can figure it out
1422 2013-11-29 18:13:11 <Emcy> heh
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1424 2013-11-29 18:16:35 <dsschnau> hi.. any interesting open-source btc projects? looking for something to work on at nights
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1432 2013-11-29 18:26:47 <maaku> dsschnau: bitcoin itself
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1434 2013-11-29 18:29:38 <serialbandicoot> hi - i've created a raw transaction using bitcoind and when i try and sendrawtransaction i get an error 22. it's on testnet
1435 2013-11-29 18:29:41 <serialbandicoot> http://pastebin.com/v8rBmGkx
1436 2013-11-29 18:29:58 <serialbandicoot> has anyone got any ideas…pretty please :)
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1438 2013-11-29 18:30:54 <BustyLoli-Chan> how do you get coins on the testnet?
1439 2013-11-29 18:31:11 <serialbandicoot> testnet faucet
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1445 2013-11-29 18:34:40 <BustyLoli-Chan> how does that work?
1446 2013-11-29 18:35:23 <BustyLoli-Chan> I see
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1448 2013-11-29 18:35:38 <serialbandicoot> you start up Bitcoin with -testnet
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1450 2013-11-29 18:39:11 <serialbandicoot> so does anyone have any ideas why my raw transaction get's a error 22?
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1479 2013-11-29 18:58:24 <petertodd> 08a2fc0bb5dd917868459723547d5bdc7473f5391b6bb23b04ba03b48fd02f67 <- might be the first non-std transaction ever mined by someone other than Eligius (at least in recent-ish history) Although... it's standard in git HEAD, it doesn't quite count...
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1482 2013-11-29 19:00:26 <Happzz> what does that tx mean
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1488 2013-11-29 19:00:50 <petertodd> Happzz: it's destroying coin-dust
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1490 2013-11-29 19:01:22 <Happzz> why would anyone do that
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1492 2013-11-29 19:01:43 <petertodd> Happzz: cleans up your wallet
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1494 2013-11-29 19:01:53 <Happzz> by _destroying_ bitcoins?
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1497 2013-11-29 19:03:04 <petertodd> Happzz: that's like 5 cents worth - destroying it helps privacy rather than needlessly linking it to other addrs in your wallet
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1501 2013-11-29 19:04:29 <Happzz> 5 cents could be worth a fortune in the future..
1502 2013-11-29 19:04:43 <Happzz> you could be just selling it away
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1505 2013-11-29 19:08:49 <berndj> does -testnet use bitcoin.conf from $HOME/.bitcoin/ or from $HOME/.bitcoin/testnet3/ where all the other testnet stuff happens?
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1539 2013-11-29 19:22:32 <cfields> wumpus: around?
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1542 2013-11-29 19:24:40 <cfields> or any win32 dev?
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1565 2013-11-29 19:53:06 <UukGoblin> ffs the android app keeps eating my battery after upgrade
1566 2013-11-29 19:53:17 <UukGoblin> previously it didn't start up when I clicked menu->disconnect
1567 2013-11-29 19:53:51 <UukGoblin> oh, there's a new version
1568 2013-11-29 19:53:53 * UukGoblin tries out
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1572 2013-11-29 20:04:13 <BlueMatt> yes, I believe the version from like yesterday's changelog mentions battery
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1597 2013-11-29 20:49:42 <jgarzik> block chain in space: I will make it happen
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1599 2013-11-29 20:50:36 <kjj> I'm not sure that we can afford a space station yet
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1606 2013-11-29 21:03:07 <Emcy> jgarzik did you burn that new bootstrap yet? Cant find the htread
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1626 2013-11-29 21:12:58 <jgarzik> Emcy, torrent thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145386.0
1627 2013-11-29 21:13:01 * jgarzik kicks OSX
1628 2013-11-29 21:13:27 <jgarzik> Emcy, not updated yet. Probably won't get an update until I return from holiday, Sun-Mon
1629 2013-11-29 21:13:29 <Luke-Jr> jgarzik: OS X fixes didn't fix?
1630 2013-11-29 21:13:42 <Emcy> riteo
1631 2013-11-29 21:14:07 <Emcy> someone should sticky that
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1633 2013-11-29 21:17:02 <BustyLoli-Chan> so... I want to make a bitcoin address validator in php
1634 2013-11-29 21:17:42 <BustyLoli-Chan> I get that the first 21 bytes are hashed with SHA-256 and checked against the last 4 bytes
1635 2013-11-29 21:18:00 <BustyLoli-Chan> but I don't understand how to get 25 bytes from a 34 character string
1636 2013-11-29 21:18:15 <BustyLoli-Chan> I'm assuming that the base 58 comes into play here.... but I still don't know how
1637 2013-11-29 21:18:43 <lianj> yes, decode the base58 first
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1639 2013-11-29 21:19:19 <BustyLoli-Chan> but how.... do I just turn into a string of numbers?
1640 2013-11-29 21:20:32 <lianj> why numbers? also just lookup a php bitcoin library
1641 2013-11-29 21:20:50 <pjorrit> just google it, it works everytime
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1643 2013-11-29 21:21:05 <BustyLoli-Chan> I don't want to cut and paste... I want to understand it lol
1644 2013-11-29 21:21:28 <lianj> well then read and understand
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1657 2013-11-29 21:37:25 <BustyLoli-Chan> what other address versions are there?
1658 2013-11-29 21:38:08 <lianj> p2sh
1659 2013-11-29 21:38:38 <lianj> also testnet and mainnet are different of course
1660 2013-11-29 21:38:40 <jgarzik> Luke-Jr, Dunno. warren is probably a better person to ask.
1661 2013-11-29 21:39:01 <Luke-Jr> jgarzik: thought maybe that's why you were kicking it
1662 2013-11-29 21:39:09 <warren> jgarzik: Luke-Jr: not getting enough testers to actually test it
1663 2013-11-29 21:39:27 <jgarzik> Luke-Jr, heh, in this case, OSX terminated my xchat session almost immediately after it started
1664 2013-11-29 21:39:44 <jgarzik> Luke-Jr, causing me to miss any replies about bitcoin-on-a-nano-satellite :)
1665 2013-11-29 21:40:02 <Luke-Jr> ah
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1683 2013-11-29 21:53:49 <toffoo> hi warren you around?
1684 2013-11-29 21:55:57 <warren> toffoo: nope
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1686 2013-11-29 21:56:09 <warren> toffoo: corruption?
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1689 2013-11-29 22:00:23 <toffoo> well, something different...
1690 2013-11-29 22:00:47 <toffoo> like I said this morning, everything was working great, couldn't do anything to phase him...
1691 2013-11-29 22:00:57 <toffoo> needed to take a rest for a while,
1692 2013-11-29 22:01:08 <toffoo> so just booted up now again,
1693 2013-11-29 22:01:19 <toffoo> and something different happened:
1694 2013-11-29 22:01:27 <Bituser123> one question: who takes care of the spanish version of bitcoin.org?
1695 2013-11-29 22:02:08 <toffoo> it loaded up fine, got past the point it would normally complain about the blockchain being corrupted,
1696 2013-11-29 22:02:20 <warren> toffoo: anything in debug.log at that moment?
1697 2013-11-29 22:02:24 <toffoo> the wallet opened up and started resyncing new blocks,
1698 2013-11-29 22:02:25 <Bituser123> The spanish version is from poor to worse: its very hard to find the wallet download
1699 2013-11-29 22:02:28 <Bituser123> its a crappy site
1700 2013-11-29 22:02:39 <toffoo> and then CRASHED the OSX way
1701 2013-11-29 22:02:46 <warren> ..
1702 2013-11-29 22:02:51 <warren> sigh
1703 2013-11-29 22:02:51 <toffoo> i.e. I got the Apple crash report
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1705 2013-11-29 22:03:01 <toffoo> that never used to happen
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1707 2013-11-29 22:03:19 <toffoo> so I saved debug.log and /chainstate and tried again,
1708 2013-11-29 22:03:30 <warren> toffoo: did the crash report have a traceback?
1709 2013-11-29 22:03:37 <toffoo> and now won't reopen without the Apple crash thing coming up
1710 2013-11-29 22:03:39 <toffoo> yes
1711 2013-11-29 22:03:55 <warren> lots of text that can be copied?
1712 2013-11-29 22:04:03 <warren> cfields: ping
1713 2013-11-29 22:04:13 <toffoo> sure, I believe I can send you the whole thing
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1715 2013-11-29 22:04:41 <warren> can you pastebin it?
1716 2013-11-29 22:05:37 <toffoo> sure,
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1718 2013-11-29 22:05:42 <toffoo> perhaps I'll do two,
1719 2013-11-29 22:06:07 <toffoo> because it looks like the first crash might be slightly different than the subsequent ones..
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1726 2013-11-29 22:08:02 <warren> ok
1727 2013-11-29 22:08:11 <toffoo> first crash: http://pastebin.com/hg2QTwTB
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1730 2013-11-29 22:10:15 <toffoo> next crash: http://pastebin.com/nyvZ7xEZ
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1734 2013-11-29 22:11:25 <toffoo> best of luck deciphering that mess ;)
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1739 2013-11-29 22:16:59 <warren> toffoo: how big is the chainstate?
1740 2013-11-29 22:17:10 <warren> jgarzik: toffoo just had crashes with the newly patched bitcoin
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1742 2013-11-29 22:17:39 <jgarzik> Makes me want to pick back up on my pagedb project
1743 2013-11-29 22:17:49 <jgarzik> like leveldb -- but zero mmap use or fancy tricks
1744 2013-11-29 22:18:29 <toffoo> warren about 300MB uncompressed
1745 2013-11-29 22:18:29 <Burritoh> What's the danger of downgrading to 0.8.4 with a wallet from 0.8.5?
1746 2013-11-29 22:18:30 <jgarzik> thus no odd syncing issues with pages, no explosion of virtual memory, ...
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1748 2013-11-29 22:18:46 <jgarzik> Burritoh, should be fine
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1750 2013-11-29 22:18:57 <warren> toffoo: can you tar and xz it?
1751 2013-11-29 22:19:01 <jgarzik> Burritoh, assuming it is built with the same BDB library version (official binaries are)
1752 2013-11-29 22:19:01 <warren> toffoo: or bz2
1753 2013-11-29 22:19:24 <Burritoh> jgarzik: okay, thanks
1754 2013-11-29 22:19:26 <toffoo> okay, do you want /chainstate from before the first crash or after?
1755 2013-11-29 22:19:42 <warren> after the first crash
1756 2013-11-29 22:19:50 <toffoo> ok
1757 2013-11-29 22:19:55 <Burritoh> trying to solve a bug where the node won't download any blocks or connect to any new nodes...
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1766 2013-11-29 22:26:21 <Burritoh> (also the debug console for bitcoin-qt won't work because it's "in use")
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1768 2013-11-29 22:26:56 <toffoo> warren ok toffoochainstate.tar.xz 189.5MB, where shall I send it?
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1770 2013-11-29 22:27:07 <warren> sigh
1771 2013-11-29 22:27:21 <warren> toffoo: no server to upload it to?
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1774 2013-11-29 22:27:47 <toffoo> maybe mega.nz ?
1775 2013-11-29 22:28:37 <toffoo> or dropbox?
1776 2013-11-29 22:28:53 <warren> dropbox is fine
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1778 2013-11-29 22:31:33 <toffoo> ok .. 38mins left
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1782 2013-11-29 22:36:23 <cfields> toffoo: did you wipe your old chainstate before upgrading?
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1794 2013-11-29 22:49:28 <toffoo> cfields I updated from v0.7.2 to -OMG5 yesterday,
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1796 2013-11-29 22:49:37 <toffoo> saved a chainstate from that,
1797 2013-11-29 22:49:48 <toffoo> then updated to -OMG6 this morning
1798 2013-11-29 22:50:25 <warren> cfields: OMG5 had mem barrier + robert's patch. OMG6 has only robert's patc
1799 2013-11-29 22:50:26 <warren> patch
1800 2013-11-29 22:51:04 <cfields> toffoo: you need something with robert's patch, and you'll need a fresh chainstate
1801 2013-11-29 22:51:13 <cfields> s/fresh/empty/
1802 2013-11-29 22:51:31 <lysobit> So... any discussions about the blocksize limit? We just had a 878.98KB block
1803 2013-11-29 22:51:48 <cfields> if you've ever seen any corruption, at all, updating to the fixed version won't help. You have to delete the guilty corrupted files and resync first.
1804 2013-11-29 22:52:11 <cfields> rather, delete the corrupted files and resync using the fixed version
1805 2013-11-29 22:52:32 <warren> cfields: I don't think he had corruption when upgrading to OMG6
1806 2013-11-29 22:53:26 <cfields> warren: it's impossible to debug when everything is a moving target...
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1809 2013-11-29 22:53:33 <cfields> the only interesting test-case:
1810 2013-11-29 22:53:43 <cfields> rm -rf ~/.bitcoin
1811 2013-11-29 22:53:54 <warren> bootstrap.dat is fine right?
1812 2013-11-29 22:53:55 <cfields> er, the osx path
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1816 2013-11-29 22:54:16 <cfields> then do a fresh sync with robert's patch included.
1817 2013-11-29 22:54:26 <cfields> if it crashes after that, there's somethingw wrong.
1818 2013-11-29 22:54:29 <cfields> yea, bootstrap is fine
1819 2013-11-29 22:54:44 <gmaxwell> lysobit: the mean and median size of the last 1000 blocks is 226KiB.
1820 2013-11-29 22:55:02 <warren> cfields: he did a fresh sync with mem barrier + robert's patch, then switched to the build with only robert's patch.
1821 2013-11-29 22:55:42 <toffoo> warren well no, I did a reindex of my v0.7.2 blockchain with -OMG5
1822 2013-11-29 22:55:59 <lysobit> gmaxwell: that's a good point
1823 2013-11-29 22:56:26 <cfields> toffoo: delete any db's you've ever created on osx until robert's patch
1824 2013-11-29 22:56:44 <cfields> without doing that, tests aren't productive
1825 2013-11-29 22:57:03 <warren> cfields: reindexing from 0.7.2 with OMG5 was a fresh db
1826 2013-11-29 22:57:12 <warren> cfields: 0.7.2 was pre-leveldb
1827 2013-11-29 22:58:43 <warren> toffoo: you did everything right, there's remaining corruption bugs =(
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1829 2013-11-29 22:59:35 <toffoo> yes, sounds like this is really a $20k bug :(
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1832 2013-11-29 23:00:24 <gmaxwell> this is the Nth round of fixing something that was clearly wrong and finding problems still exist. :)
1833 2013-11-29 23:01:03 <cfields> i'm still not convinced the test is good.
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1835 2013-11-29 23:01:50 <warren> cfields: why not?
1836 2013-11-29 23:02:00 <BustyLoli-Chan> is there a way to specify the minimum number of confirmations you'd like to show transactions for?
1837 2013-11-29 23:02:09 <warren> cfields: he created a fresh leveldb using mem barrier + robert's patch
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1839 2013-11-29 23:02:25 <BustyLoli-Chan> or is it pretty safe to say that any transaction with at least one confirmation is going to suceed?
1840 2013-11-29 23:02:30 <BustyLoli-Chan> *succeed
1841 2013-11-29 23:02:37 <cfields> warren: because with everything that's happened with osx thus far, it makes no sense to start with anything other than 100% clean data.
1842 2013-11-29 23:02:49 <cfields> there are far too many variables
1843 2013-11-29 23:03:00 <warren> cfields: "clean data" is no different than reindexing
1844 2013-11-29 23:03:07 <warren> cfields: the blocks are the same blocks
1845 2013-11-29 23:03:08 <BustyLoli-Chan> are you guys trying to fix that bug with the 10k bounty?
1846 2013-11-29 23:03:16 <warren> BustyLoli-Chan: you are not helping
1847 2013-11-29 23:03:30 <BustyLoli-Chan> I am not, I just came here for developement help
1848 2013-11-29 23:03:35 <warren> cfields: blowing away the blocks isn't going to help
1849 2013-11-29 23:04:09 <toffoo> unless we're back to the theory that something is uniquely wrong/different with my 0.7.2 blockchain, that v0.7.2 does not detect
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1851 2013-11-29 23:04:58 <toffoo> I'm happy to do a fresh bootstrap.dat reindex direct with -OMG6 if you guys feel that would productive?
1852 2013-11-29 23:05:01 <cfields> there's no sense testing that theory. i'm happy to help debug and fix the problem, but only with a reasonable set of variables.
1853 2013-11-29 23:05:08 <cfields> toffoo: yes please.
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1855 2013-11-29 23:05:30 <toffoo> ok,
1856 2013-11-29 23:05:39 <toffoo> I'll try that today,
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1860 2013-11-29 23:06:06 <warren> cfields: how is that any different from what he already did?
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1864 2013-11-29 23:07:33 <toffoo> anyone got the link handy for the freshest bootstrap.dat torrent? was it on the forum or sourceforge or something?
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1867 2013-11-29 23:08:11 <cfields> warren: he started with data of questionable integrity. For a corruption bug, that's quite a large variable.
1868 2013-11-29 23:10:39 <jgarzik> toffoo, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145386.0
1869 2013-11-29 23:10:54 <jgarzik> toffoo, Bitcoin blockchain bootstrap.dat torrent: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145386.0
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1872 2013-11-29 23:12:24 <toffoo> jgarzik perfect, many thanks
1873 2013-11-29 23:12:44 <toffoo> warren dropbox finished, here you go: https://www.dropbox.com/s/m5xtbv5tniltwtq/toffoochainstate.tar.xz
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1877 2013-11-29 23:14:59 <warren> cfields: "data" being what?
1878 2013-11-29 23:15:09 <warren> cfields: reindexing from 0.7.2 data is a fresh leveldb
1879 2013-11-29 23:17:17 <cfields> warren: you just defined it. I'm not going to discuss this point further. It's basic debugging.
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1883 2013-11-29 23:25:19 <warren> toffoo: this is after the first crsah?
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1885 2013-11-29 23:28:01 <toffoo> warren yes exactly
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