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5 2013-12-04 00:01:52 <cfields> Luke-Jr: you'll also need to if the leveldb build in Makefile.include. As-is, it'll build the internal one from an outside dir (qt) even if external was chosen
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7 2013-12-04 00:02:35 <cfields> Luke-Jr: you should really remove the leveldb stuff from Makefile.include to simplify things for yourself. That's exactly why the make -C is there.
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13 2013-12-04 00:04:24 <cfields> it won't work as-is anyway for dependency resolution (it'll try to build twice) because ../leveldb != ../../leveldb
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22 2013-12-04 00:19:07 <Luke-Jr> cfields: O.o? it seemed to work
23 2013-12-04 00:19:50 <cfields> Luke-Jr: you probably already had .a's in there
24 2013-12-04 00:20:02 <Luke-Jr> cfields: I removed the entire leveldb dir to make sure
25 2013-12-04 00:20:58 <Luke-Jr> cfields: how do I mount the dmg? :/
26 2013-12-04 00:21:12 <cfields> Luke-Jr: mount -o loop -t hfsplus
27 2013-12-04 00:21:25 <cfields> you'll need the hfs tools and modules ofc
28 2013-12-04 00:21:26 <gavinandresen> FYI: I've stopped the pull-tester VM (jenkins), it is be ing wonky. Backing it up before trying to fix...
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30 2013-12-04 00:21:34 <Luke-Jr> cfields: doesn't like it..
31 2013-12-04 00:22:10 <Luke-Jr> [89797.026059] hfsplus: unable to find HFS+ superblock
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33 2013-12-04 00:22:30 <cfields> Luke-Jr: iirc i didn't have much luck with it in linux either
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48 2013-12-04 00:37:41 <Luke-Jr> wtf, Apple can't mount it either
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52 2013-12-04 00:37:49 <Luke-Jr> calculated CRC32 $ABAF1392, expected CRC32 $60727D28
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63 2013-12-04 00:40:22 <cfields> ?
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65 2013-12-04 00:41:12 <Luke-Jr> cfields: apparently Apple gave me a bad file
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67 2013-12-04 00:41:52 <cfields> heh, great. checksums aren't any help either, seems everyone's is different
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69 2013-12-04 00:42:26 <Luke-Jr> O.o;;;
70 2013-12-04 00:42:30 <Luke-Jr> fingerprinted downloads?
71 2013-12-04 00:42:42 <rweichler> okay. i did bitcoind -reindex
72 2013-12-04 00:42:46 <rweichler> i had the entire blockchain downloaded
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74 2013-12-04 00:42:50 <rweichler> and its been, like, an hour.
75 2013-12-04 00:42:52 <rweichler> what gives.
76 2013-12-04 00:43:07 <rweichler> is there a way to speed it up?
77 2013-12-04 00:43:22 <Luke-Jr> rweichler: faster CPU and/or HD
78 2013-12-04 00:43:56 <cfields> Luke-Jr: presumably your apple-id is in it
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80 2013-12-04 00:44:30 <Luke-Jr> cfields: btw, could you ACK or otherwise post on the autoconf_pt3 PR a note that the stuff there is resolved?
81 2013-12-04 00:44:48 <cfields> Luke-Jr: sure, when it is :)
82 2013-12-04 00:44:58 <Luke-Jr> cfields: it isn't?
83 2013-12-04 00:44:59 <cfields> want me to push my fixups somewhere?
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85 2013-12-04 00:45:28 <Luke-Jr> ?
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88 2013-12-04 00:47:11 <cfields> Luke-Jr: my notes above.
89 2013-12-04 00:48:53 <cfields> give me a few min, i'll push something up
90 2013-12-04 00:49:04 <cfields> meanwhile, i got the dmg mounted in linux:
91 2013-12-04 00:49:47 <cfields> http://vu1tur.eu.org/tools/ . Grab and make dmg2img. My distro's wasn't new enough, needs to be 1.6.5.
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93 2013-12-04 00:50:18 <cfields> once built: dmg2img xcode_3.2.6_and_ios_sdk_4.3.dmg -p 5 -o xcode_3.2.6_and_ios_sdk_4.3.final.dmg
94 2013-12-04 00:50:30 <cfields> then you can mount xcode_3.2.6_and_ios_sdk_4.3.final.dmg as expected
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102 2013-12-04 00:58:49 <rweichler> Luke-Jr: Oh. Okay. I guess I shall wait.
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114 2013-12-04 01:09:26 <Luke-Jr> cfields: opening partition 5 ⦠0.01%ERROR: Inflation failed
115 2013-12-04 01:10:01 <cfields> Luke-Jr: that's the one that complained about bad crc?
116 2013-12-04 01:10:04 <Luke-Jr> yes
117 2013-12-04 01:10:08 <Luke-Jr> well, that dmg
118 2013-12-04 01:10:15 <Luke-Jr> about 30 mins left on 2nd download
119 2013-12-04 01:10:17 <cfields> sounds like it's really bad, then :\
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122 2013-12-04 01:11:13 <Luke-Jr> cfields: re "Else if the file is touched it'll build the internal one." - what file is touched?
123 2013-12-04 01:11:43 <Luke-Jr> that target should never be used, since there's no dependency on it
124 2013-12-04 01:11:46 <cfields> Luke-Jr: /usr/lib/libleveldb.so or whatever
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126 2013-12-04 01:12:04 <Luke-Jr> cfields: I'm just using -lleveldb, which isn't a filename
127 2013-12-04 01:12:16 <Luke-Jr> so make ignores it
128 2013-12-04 01:13:39 <cfields> Luke-Jr: er, it won't ignore it. If anything, it just treats it special because it starts with a -
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132 2013-12-04 01:14:27 <Luke-Jr> "a: b" gets ignored unless the target "a" is needed
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134 2013-12-04 01:14:43 <Luke-Jr> and adding -lleveldb to LDADD does not create a dependency on target "-lleveldb"
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140 2013-12-04 01:16:36 <cfields> hmm.
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143 2013-12-04 01:19:15 <Luke-Jr> cfields: your suggestion won't hurt, so we can add it I guess - but it has no practical use I think
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146 2013-12-04 01:20:51 <cfields> Luke-Jr: it seems you're correct, but i was assuming your LIBLEVELDB incorrectly, so i'm re-reading
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148 2013-12-04 01:21:43 <Luke-Jr> cfields: here is what i was testing with: http://codepad.org/5BbGOIDj
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150 2013-12-04 01:25:32 <cfields> Luke-Jr: ok
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152 2013-12-04 01:26:48 <cfields> Luke-Jr: if you'll move the "$(LIBLEVELDB) $(LIBMEMENV):" rule up into the EMBEDDED_LEVELDB case so that there's not a crazy rule defined, i'll shattup
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154 2013-12-04 01:27:55 <Luke-Jr> cfields: in both files?
155 2013-12-04 01:28:28 <warren> Luke-Jr: is anyone but you in favor of making external leveldb easy?
156 2013-12-04 01:28:29 <Luke-Jr> actually, I guess it's only variable'd in one
157 2013-12-04 01:28:40 <Luke-Jr> warren: that's not what we're discussing right now
158 2013-12-04 01:29:01 <cfields> Luke-Jr: ah crap, you can't move it up 'cause then you'll have rules defined before variables. need a new guard.
159 2013-12-04 01:30:20 <Luke-Jr> cfields: I wonder if I should just de-variable that rule?
160 2013-12-04 01:30:28 <cfields> eh, or not, i dunno. seems my brain is mush by now.
161 2013-12-04 01:31:00 <Luke-Jr> meh, a new guard is safe
162 2013-12-04 01:31:24 <Luke-Jr> done
163 2013-12-04 01:31:51 <cfields> as long as there's not a rule like "-libleveldb -libmemenv:", i'm happy
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166 2013-12-04 01:33:59 <licnep> gmaxwell: pm
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170 2013-12-04 01:36:23 <gavinandresen> pull-tester is happy again. Not sure why it burped.
171 2013-12-04 01:37:13 <cfields> gavinandresen: sorry for falling behind on pull-tester hacking. Have been distracted by shinier things.
172 2013-12-04 01:37:14 <Luke-Jr> gavinandresen++
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174 2013-12-04 01:37:29 <Luke-Jr> a happy pull-tester is good to have
175 2013-12-04 01:38:15 <gavinandresen> cfields: no worries
176 2013-12-04 01:38:46 <Luke-Jr> also, +1 to whoever made it delete stale comments..
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180 2013-12-04 01:39:39 <Luke-Jr> 5 mins left on new xcode download..
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183 2013-12-04 01:40:58 <ekkis> gavinandresen: Scott's in Australia just now. if you have a little free time perhaps you guys could hook up.
184 2013-12-04 01:41:18 <gmaxwell> http://bitcoinity.org/markets < bitcoinity is 1mbtc units now.
185 2013-12-04 01:41:40 <gavinandresen> does "hook up" still mean something sexual?
186 2013-12-04 01:42:58 <cfields> only if you're not already down-under, i think
187 2013-12-04 01:43:08 <Luke-Jr> lol
188 2013-12-04 01:46:13 <ekkis> gavinandresen: haha
189 2013-12-04 01:46:18 <ekkis> not in my vocabulary
190 2013-12-04 01:46:22 <ekkis> but then, I'm not American
191 2013-12-04 01:46:37 <ekkis> perhaps "connect" is better
192 2013-12-04 01:46:45 <ekkis> meet for coffee as the Dutch say
193 2013-12-04 01:48:37 <Luke-Jr> woo, this download works
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205 2013-12-04 02:02:34 <Luke-Jr> cfields: got your gitian outputs posted somewhere?
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208 2013-12-04 02:03:39 <jaakkos> might be cool to create a storage altcoin
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210 2013-12-04 02:04:26 <jaakkos> merged mine an altcoin where each block gives a new merkle tree root for a ZFS filesystem
211 2013-12-04 02:04:39 <jaakkos> also, have a consensus of disk space limit
212 2013-12-04 02:04:53 <cfields> Luke-Jr: want me to gpg sign the final gpg hash for proof before you post yours?
213 2013-12-04 02:04:55 <jaakkos> the disk space is divided among coin holders
214 2013-12-04 02:05:07 <wiretapped> gavinandresen: depends on context, often yes, but in this context it seems unlikely
215 2013-12-04 02:05:22 <cfields> *final dmg hash
216 2013-12-04 02:05:29 <Luke-Jr> cfields: signature shouldn't matter, but sure
217 2013-12-04 02:05:45 <jaakkos> also prevent people from deleting stuff... though that would be doomed to failure because someone would just upload cp
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219 2013-12-04 02:06:24 <Luke-Jr> cfields: bash: line 13: cd: osx-native/contrib/macdepends: No such file or directory
220 2013-12-04 02:07:08 <wiretapped> i realized another dataspam avenue recently... brute force keys that have your data in their hash
221 2013-12-04 02:07:17 * Luke-Jr ponders
222 2013-12-04 02:07:21 <cfields> Luke-Jr: mmm, you'll need to edit the descriptors to point to your local file:///...bitcoin/.git, since it's not in the upstream repo yet
223 2013-12-04 02:07:57 <Luke-Jr> cfields: it's pointing at your private git clone though
224 2013-12-04 02:07:59 <cfields> Luke-Jr: i'll be taking your advice and breaking that out into a new repo
225 2013-12-04 02:08:58 <cfields> Luke-Jr: ah, need to use a commit with that in it, then
226 2013-12-04 02:09:09 <cfields> Luke-Jr: gbuild -c bitcoin=deterministic-dmg
227 2013-12-04 02:09:10 <Luke-Jr> I did.. :/
228 2013-12-04 02:09:10 <cfields> or so
229 2013-12-04 02:09:42 <Luke-Jr> native goes first, right?
230 2013-12-04 02:10:18 <cfields> yea
231 2013-12-04 02:12:16 <Luke-Jr> cfields: there is no osx-native dir
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234 2013-12-04 02:15:37 <Luke-Jr> cfields: changing it to 'bitcoin' in the yml fixes it
235 2013-12-04 02:16:05 <cfields> Luke-Jr: clearly i don't know how those things work in gitian :)
236 2013-12-04 02:16:18 <cfields> i changed those last-minute before i pushed, i thought they were cosmetic
237 2013-12-04 02:16:38 <Luke-Jr> in the 'cd' command :p
238 2013-12-04 02:16:42 <Luke-Jr> cd bitcoin/contrib/macdepends
239 2013-12-04 02:16:56 <Luke-Jr> that one's not cosmetic :D
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241 2013-12-04 02:17:19 <Luke-Jr> I suppose alternately, you could change the "dir" above
242 2013-12-04 02:17:45 <cfields> oh, hah. I guess I assumed gitian always gave you a 'bitcoin' dir to work in. i realize now that makes no sense.
243 2013-12-04 02:18:03 <Luke-Jr> ⦠<.<
244 2013-12-04 02:18:14 <Luke-Jr> cd osx-native/contrib/macdepends <-- this is what you have now :P
245 2013-12-04 02:18:22 <Luke-Jr> cd bitcoin/contrib/macdepends <-- this is what works, because of "dir" above
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247 2013-12-04 02:19:27 <cfields> heh ok, so i changed _something_ there last-minute. Clearly it was half-baked :)
248 2013-12-04 02:19:48 <cfields> that'll likely be the case for all of the descriptors then
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250 2013-12-04 02:21:01 <Luke-Jr> looks okay in the others
251 2013-12-04 02:21:07 <cfields> i'm going to go ahead and do a clean one, and fix up those things as I go. I'm not 100% sure which of these dmg's laying around was my final one
252 2013-12-04 02:21:23 <Luke-Jr> post hashes of em all :D
253 2013-12-04 02:21:43 <cfields> in case i get lucky: f1d1fd9a117529d466e23a34cb5f19c3585cad38d8a4ebf35f6b9468a0441ab2 Bitcoin-Qt.dmg
254 2013-12-04 02:22:13 <cfields> well the interims aren't deterministic. I didn't bother, since they're not for win32/linux either.
255 2013-12-04 02:22:23 <cfields> not all, anyway
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261 2013-12-04 02:28:15 <cfields> Luke-Jr: exactly what change did you make, so i don't end up invalidating the test?
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264 2013-12-04 02:28:54 <Luke-Jr> [02:14:51] <Luke-Jr> cd osx-native/contrib/macdepends <-- this is what you have now :P
265 2013-12-04 02:28:56 <Luke-Jr> [02:14:58] <Luke-Jr> cd bitcoin/contrib/macdepends <-- this is what works, because of "dir" above
266 2013-12-04 02:28:57 <Luke-Jr> just that
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268 2013-12-04 02:29:42 <cfields> ok
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271 2013-12-04 02:31:37 <Luke-Jr> gavinandresen: what is "Broke on 8f342eb7cbc2efb64fbc1f3eb0bf411a24dfbf35" referring to? my git doesn't have that object.. O.o
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276 2013-12-04 02:48:02 <gumpus> what development environment do you guys use to work on bitcoin(-qt)?
277 2013-12-04 02:48:42 <gumpus> qtcreator? editor of choice + shells?
278 2013-12-04 02:49:15 <Luke-Jr> 332e43aa2c75582a0703ec21b198babfe9667a4b71a3f684de481b0d6793b29d Bitcoin-Qt.dmg
279 2013-12-04 02:49:29 <Luke-Jr> cfields: no match ^
280 2013-12-04 02:49:35 <Luke-Jr> gumpus: Kate here
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285 2013-12-04 02:54:45 <cfields> Luke-Jr: i don't think i built after my last changes, which would've busted the version-string hashes. Still building here.
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287 2013-12-04 02:55:13 <gumpus> I notice that the 0.8.5 source has a qmake .pro file but the main git repo does not - is this intentional?
288 2013-12-04 02:56:04 <Luke-Jr> gumpus: qmake -> autoconf is post-0.8
289 2013-12-04 02:56:46 <gumpus> ok
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294 2013-12-04 03:01:48 <gavinandresen> Luke-Jr: 8f342eb7cbc2efb64fbc1f3eb0bf411a24dfbf35 is "Merge branch 'autoconf_pt3' of git://github.com/luke-jr/bitcoin" in my tree
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296 2013-12-04 03:03:13 <Luke-Jr> ah
297 2013-12-04 03:03:39 <Luke-Jr> gavinandresen: git show 8f342eb7cbc2efb64fbc1f3eb0bf411a24dfbf35^2
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299 2013-12-04 03:05:06 <gavinandresen> Luke-Jr: https://gist.github.com/gavinandresen/7781628
300 2013-12-04 03:05:09 <cfields> Luke-Jr: damn, no match. mind pasting your output ymls so i can see what went wrong?
301 2013-12-04 03:06:19 <Luke-Jr> cfields: gavinandresen's test was with the most recent branch :<
302 2013-12-04 03:06:51 <Luke-Jr> cfields: http://codepad.org/X7kBSnkb
303 2013-12-04 03:07:00 <Luke-Jr> gavinandresen: thanks for testing btw
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305 2013-12-04 03:07:18 <cfields> gavinandresen: did you clean before build? If you had one of the non-final branches, it would've left a corrupt .a in there
306 2013-12-04 03:07:52 <gavinandresen> cfields: you mean 'make clean' ? yes. I didn't git cleanâ¦.
307 2013-12-04 03:08:05 <cfields> nah, make clean should've done it
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317 2013-12-04 03:13:30 <gumpus> if I say 'listaccounts' to bitcoin and get one line with a negative number, what does that mean?
318 2013-12-04 03:14:00 <phantomcircuit> gumpus, accounts can be negative
319 2013-12-04 03:14:08 <phantomcircuit> the total value of all accounts cannot be negative
320 2013-12-04 03:14:17 <phantomcircuit> (well actually it can be but you'll never trigger that)
321 2013-12-04 03:15:33 <gumpus> so.. that means that all the coins that were at all the addresses for that account have been sent to other addresses?
322 2013-12-04 03:17:59 <cfields> Luke-Jr / gavinandresen: i'm really not sure what to say. we guard against exactly that case.
323 2013-12-04 03:18:06 <phantomcircuit> gumpus, that's not how accounts work at all
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325 2013-12-04 03:18:16 <cfields> in fact, that didn't change in this PR
326 2013-12-04 03:18:45 <phantomcircuit> gumpus, credit entries for accounts can be either bitcoin transactions where an output is to an address assigned to the account
327 2013-12-04 03:18:50 <gavinandresen> okey dokey. I'll test with master. Might be a "make check" versus just "make" difference.
328 2013-12-04 03:18:58 <phantomcircuit> credit entires can also be just a "move" from one account to another
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330 2013-12-04 03:19:41 <phantomcircuit> all debit entires on an account are from sendfrom which create an accounting entry just like "move" but will use outputs from any of the transactions in the entire wallet
331 2013-12-04 03:19:56 <phantomcircuit> accounts do not form groups of addresses for transaction generation purposes
332 2013-12-04 03:20:06 <cfields> gavinandresen: either way if you see it again it's obviously a problem and i'll work it out. I just can't see anything obvious in that PR.
333 2013-12-04 03:20:38 <Luke-Jr> gumpus: coins aren't "at" addresses. once received by an address, they just sit in the wallet independent of the address.
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346 2013-12-04 03:22:38 <gumpus> phantomcircuit: i'll do some reading then
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352 2013-12-04 03:22:44 <cfields> Luke-Jr: ah wait, i wonder if AM_CONDITIONALS wouldn't execute in an included file
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364 2013-12-04 03:23:49 <cfields> gavinandresen: do you still have that branch checked out?
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369 2013-12-04 03:24:41 <gumpus> Luke-Jr: but only the private key for whatever address received them can spend them, right? -- but in the bitcoin-qt client that's hidden?
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372 2013-12-04 03:26:35 <gavinandresen> cfields: no, working on paymentrequest stuff
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374 2013-12-04 03:26:49 <cfields> gavinandresen: ok, i'll test that in a bit.
375 2013-12-04 03:27:32 <cfields> Luke-Jr: could you paste your output ymls? The tar.gz's are no help since they're not deterministic anyway
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383 2013-12-04 03:39:43 <Luke-Jr> gumpus: yes, that's at a low level; addresses are a high-level concept
384 2013-12-04 03:39:56 <Luke-Jr> cfields: I didn't save them
385 2013-12-04 03:40:18 <Luke-Jr> cfields: which specifically do you want? I'll rebuild..
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387 2013-12-04 03:41:16 <gumpus> Luke-Jr: ok, thanks for the clarification. am still trying to understand the internals of the bitcoin-qt client and of bitcoin itself
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398 2013-12-04 03:55:01 <diki> A wumpus and gumpus 0_o
399 2013-12-04 03:55:30 <rweichler> hey... i think im doing something wrong.
400 2013-12-04 03:55:41 <rweichler> i went to a couple testnet faucets and asked them to send BTC to mxdgopxRdW6NwL5cCLPSjyYDgzbLPVuo4C
401 2013-12-04 03:55:52 <rweichler> and nothing is showing up in the block explorer online nor with bitcoind getbalance
402 2013-12-04 03:56:06 <rweichler> i tried http://testnet.mojocoin.com/ and http://tpfaucet.appspot.com/
403 2013-12-04 03:56:30 <andytoshi> rweichler: did they give you a transaction id?
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405 2013-12-04 03:57:16 <andytoshi> if you'd like i can just send you some coins
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407 2013-12-04 03:57:29 <rweichler> nope, neither andytoshi
408 2013-12-04 03:57:40 <andytoshi> hmm
409 2013-12-04 03:57:40 <rweichler> that'd be great
410 2013-12-04 03:57:49 <rweichler> i can send them back when im done
411 2013-12-04 03:57:56 <andytoshi> ok, one sec
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413 2013-12-04 03:58:53 <kalebe> i'm trying to configure my bitcoin wallet with manual config file. what does keypoll=100?? i must increase or decrease this value to enhace the security of my wallet??
414 2013-12-04 03:59:00 <andytoshi> ok, i sent you 30, txid 041cbb049acea2fde6ddc4bbba4ba8f387e2fc0cbce1672abac9b62a7949b057
415 2013-12-04 03:59:20 <andytoshi> a return address is n21UpuEXg3tvMq45ETsDK7uPBrzCkh78fL, but i don't mind if you forget
416 2013-12-04 03:59:29 <andytoshi> or don't want to :)
417 2013-12-04 03:59:39 <kjj> kalebe: keypool is just the number of keys your wallet tries to maintain in the wallet
418 2013-12-04 04:00:05 <andytoshi> kalebe: its effect is basically, the higher you set the number, the less frequently you need to back up the wallet
419 2013-12-04 04:00:13 <Luke-Jr> cfields: http://codepad.org/zVGF1miu osx-native-res.yml
420 2013-12-04 04:00:32 <andytoshi> i didn't know about that option, i should set mine to a million or so..
421 2013-12-04 04:00:47 <rweichler> andytoshi: i dont see it O_O
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423 2013-12-04 04:00:56 <rweichler> its not on blockchain.info
424 2013-12-04 04:01:06 <rweichler> not on blockexplorer.com/testnet
425 2013-12-04 04:01:15 <rweichler> not showing up in my wallet
426 2013-12-04 04:01:18 <andytoshi> weird
427 2013-12-04 04:01:18 <rweichler> testnet3, right?
428 2013-12-04 04:01:30 <andytoshi> yep
429 2013-12-04 04:01:33 <andytoshi> my debug.log shows,
430 2013-12-04 04:01:35 <andytoshi> 2013-12-04 03:50:44 Relaying wtx 041cbb049acea2fde6ddc4bbba4ba8f387e2fc0cbce1672abac9b62a7949b057
431 2013-12-04 04:01:52 <kalebe> andytoshi: so it's better if i set it high values?
432 2013-12-04 04:02:04 <kalebe> kjj: keys from other wallets?
433 2013-12-04 04:02:06 <andytoshi> kalebe: yeah, the tradeoff is that it'll make wallet.dat bigger
434 2013-12-04 04:02:22 <kjj> kalebe: no, your keys
435 2013-12-04 04:02:27 <andytoshi> kalebe: no, it generates keys randomly
436 2013-12-04 04:03:32 <rweichler> andytoshi: OH i see it now.
437 2013-12-04 04:03:39 <andytoshi> awesome
438 2013-12-04 04:03:42 <rweichler> OH IM SO STUPID. i forgot to do the blockcount=0
439 2013-12-04 04:03:44 <rweichler> gah. thank you!
440 2013-12-04 04:03:45 <andytoshi> lol
441 2013-12-04 04:03:52 <cfields> Luke-Jr: thanks. I'm working on making the tarballs deterministic for easier testing.
442 2013-12-04 04:04:09 <cfields> Luke-Jr: i'll ping you for a re-test when i think i've got it worked out.
443 2013-12-04 04:04:10 <kalebe> ok, i'm thinking in put it on 1000, some problemm? dafult value is 100... kinda low i think...
444 2013-12-04 04:04:20 <cfields> Luke-Jr: thanks for taking the time.
445 2013-12-04 04:04:38 <Luke-Jr> cfields: ok
446 2013-12-04 04:05:13 <kjj> kalebe: keys are marked as "used" when presented to the user (getnewaddress, etc). if you have less than keypool keys available, the wallet makes more.
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450 2013-12-04 04:05:56 <kjj> kalebe: if you back up your wallet, and then request more than keypool addresses, your live wallet now has keys that your backup does not have
451 2013-12-04 04:06:20 <andytoshi> lol, i ran keypoolrefill 1000000 and it ran so long that walletpassphrase timed out
452 2013-12-04 04:07:10 <kjj> unless you are doing a LOT of transactions, like a busy ecommerce site, the default is fine. your effort would be better spent by making a cron job to back up your wallet
453 2013-12-04 04:09:15 <diki> andytoshi:Last time I attempted to make 200k keys
454 2013-12-04 04:09:18 <diki> it took me 2 days
455 2013-12-04 04:09:25 <diki> not even funny how slow it was
456 2013-12-04 04:09:42 <gumpus> how big did that make your wallet.dat?
457 2013-12-04 04:09:51 <diki> 130 megabytes
458 2013-12-04 04:10:10 <diki> I am not sure if I let it finish though.
459 2013-12-04 04:10:14 <gumpus> interesting
460 2013-12-04 04:10:16 <gumpus> oh
461 2013-12-04 04:10:29 <diki> it wa 2 years ago
462 2013-12-04 04:10:31 <gumpus> keygeneration is non-deterministic, I assume?
463 2013-12-04 04:10:34 <diki> *was
464 2013-12-04 04:10:34 <andytoshi> diki: oh, thakns for the warning
465 2013-12-04 04:10:37 <andytoshi> my laptop is 5 years old
466 2013-12-04 04:10:41 <andytoshi> i killed it :P
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471 2013-12-04 04:19:07 <kalebe> some one use bitcoind on linux?
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473 2013-12-04 04:19:18 <kalebe> someone here**
474 2013-12-04 04:19:21 <kjj> a few people, yes
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479 2013-12-04 04:23:00 <diki> a lot of people actually
480 2013-12-04 04:23:17 <diki> Most people here don't even want to hear about Windows.
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482 2013-12-04 04:24:19 <diki> But I am a gamer, what I lack in brains I more than make up for it in skill and reaction time.
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485 2013-12-04 04:29:53 <andytoshi> i'd guess most people here use linux
486 2013-12-04 04:32:25 <kalebe> i'm new on this, can i get different addresses to receive payment on one wallet..?
487 2013-12-04 04:32:30 <Ryan52> diki: well put
488 2013-12-04 04:32:33 <Ryan52> I guess
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490 2013-12-04 04:36:29 <super3> where was that website that showed the bitcoin-qt version distribution?
491 2013-12-04 04:36:49 <super3> my memory tells me it came from Luke-Jr
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498 2013-12-04 04:41:58 <andytoshi> kalebe: of course
499 2013-12-04 04:42:01 <andytoshi> try reading http://download.wpsoftware.net/bitcoin/bitcoin-faq.pdf
500 2013-12-04 04:42:44 <kalebe> do you use what version of bitcoin?? bitcoin-qt, bitcoind, multibiti, armory...
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502 2013-12-04 04:44:00 <andytoshi> i use a slightly modified bitcoind
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504 2013-12-04 04:45:47 <kalebe> andytoshi: why modified? Isn't the official version good enought?
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538 2013-12-04 05:19:46 <rweichler> hey is there a way to convert the bitcoin ASM to hex?
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541 2013-12-04 05:20:16 <kjj> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Script
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549 2013-12-04 05:23:07 <BlueMatt> nanotube: can we get gribble in #bitcoinj ?
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554 2013-12-04 05:23:40 <nanotube> ;;join #bitcoinj
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559 2013-12-04 05:24:44 <BlueMatt> well, that was easy (tm)
560 2013-12-04 05:24:48 <BlueMatt> thanks
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624 2013-12-04 05:58:50 <nanotube> :)
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626 2013-12-04 06:00:29 <Fistful_of_LTC> my rigs are autonomous agents that pay for themselves
627 2013-12-04 06:01:03 <Fistful_of_LTC> they heat my basement.
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678 2013-12-04 07:23:50 <gmaxwell> P2Pool all time cumulative luck is up to 117.6% now. :P
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685 2013-12-04 07:32:37 <wumpus> lucky bastards :P
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687 2013-12-04 07:35:34 <Luke-Jr> that means future p2pool luck will be poor!
688 2013-12-04 07:35:35 <Luke-Jr> <.<
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813 2013-12-04 09:27:55 <keymone> i have a hypothetical question
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815 2013-12-04 09:28:13 <keymone> say bitcoin becomes a threat to some government (hypothetically)
816 2013-12-04 09:28:42 <keymone> and they invest enough money to make a virus that will target everything that runs bitcoin
817 2013-12-04 09:28:47 <keymone> and just destroy the coins
818 2013-12-04 09:28:55 <keymone> how are we protected against that?
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820 2013-12-04 09:31:17 <jyf> i think bitcoin could be used as the prepare money for people or org who want to invent their own bank or virtual money
821 2013-12-04 09:32:11 <jyf> and it could also used as a settlement currency for banks
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823 2013-12-04 09:33:33 <keymone> but it doesn't really fix the problem - just shifts the burden to somebody else
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832 2013-12-04 09:46:46 <jyf> its recorded and public account and transation gave people the credits
833 2013-12-04 09:47:01 <jyf> which is the most problem when you launch a real bank
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877 2013-12-04 10:39:25 <stonecoldpat> mmm, with the same bitcoind - can you use testnet and normal network at same time?
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881 2013-12-04 10:39:35 <stonecoldpat> as in i close normal network access and boot up bitcoind with -testnet
882 2013-12-04 10:39:44 <stonecoldpat> and i wouldnt have to reindex for the normal network?
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892 2013-12-04 10:52:57 <Lifeofcray> god i both love and hate coding at the same time
893 2013-12-04 10:53:38 <e-dard> Hi, does anyone know of a headless bitcoin client to be used on servers? The idea is to provide wallets to users, I guess by generating new keys from a master wallet
894 2013-12-04 10:54:00 <e-dard> every time a user adds money to their wallet we would want to get that transaction confirmed etc
895 2013-12-04 10:55:06 <e-dard> ah looks like https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bitcoind is all I need
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903 2013-12-04 11:04:35 <e-dard> Is this the right channel to discuss building stuff around crypto currencies, or is it just for development of the bitcoin client/network?
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908 2013-12-04 11:09:56 <wumpus> this channel is for development of bitcoin clients/network, but questions about the APIs and such are of course also allowed
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910 2013-12-04 11:11:02 <e-dard> wumpus: ah OK. I had more of a general question â namely, how does an exchange that has markets for many coins maintain all the wallets and block chains?
911 2013-12-04 11:11:27 <wumpus> e-dard: big iron and lots of *coind's
912 2013-12-04 11:12:13 <e-dard> I assume the simplest way is to have one wallet for each coin, and all the users' "wallets" are actually sub-keys of the same wallet?
913 2013-12-04 11:12:24 <wumpus> the specifics would depend on the exchange, but in general, they'd just have lots of servers with nodes and wallets, and of course cold wallets for the bulk of the coins
914 2013-12-04 11:12:29 <e-dard> So you need to have say 30 wallets instead of 100,000.
915 2013-12-04 11:12:55 <wumpus> yes, one (or, depending on scaling, more) wallets per coin, not per user usually
916 2013-12-04 11:12:57 <e-dard> I was thinking something like Cryptsy where there are lots of coins
917 2013-12-04 11:13:04 <e-dard> right. Makes sense
918 2013-12-04 11:13:17 <wumpus> keeping track of which coins belong to which user is done on a higher level
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920 2013-12-04 11:14:07 <e-dard> Hmmm, I guess that would allow you to not have to do transactions when someone buys coin A for coin B, since no coins actually went anywhere
921 2013-12-04 11:14:17 <e-dard> :)
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923 2013-12-04 11:14:40 <wumpus> yes for user-to-user transfers they do not need block chain transactions
924 2013-12-04 11:15:21 <wumpus> they would need transactions when depositing/withdrawing and from/to their cold wallet
925 2013-12-04 11:15:32 <e-dard> right. So basically for every coin you need to find a coind
926 2013-12-04 11:15:44 <wumpus> yes
927 2013-12-04 11:15:59 <e-dard> I guess that's why there is sometimes a lag between a new coin arriving and it being listed on an exchange
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930 2013-12-04 11:17:29 <wumpus> indeed, they first have to vet and install the daemon somewhere.. I'd also recommend using separate servers or practicing some other form of isolation/virtualization, in case one of them turns out to have a backdoor or exploitable bug
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933 2013-12-04 11:19:21 <e-dard> thanks wumpus; I understand better now
934 2013-12-04 11:19:31 <e-dard> Apologies if my questions were OT :)
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942 2013-12-04 11:36:46 <stonecoldpat> does anyone know on average how long it takes to verify a transaction?
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944 2013-12-04 11:39:57 <TD> depends when it's verified
945 2013-12-04 11:40:47 <stonecoldpat> I suppose when your constructing a new block as case 1 and case 2 when verifying another block
946 2013-12-04 11:41:06 <stonecoldpat> i imagine creating a block and doing the verification would take longer ?
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948 2013-12-04 11:43:49 <TD> no
949 2013-12-04 11:43:54 <TD> the answer is "it depends"
950 2013-12-04 11:44:03 <TD> the slow part of verifying a tx is signature checking. however signatures are cached.
951 2013-12-04 11:44:12 <TD> so how fast you can verify depends on whether you saw the transaction when it was first broadcast
952 2013-12-04 11:44:26 <TD> once a node has been online for a while and is "warmed up" it shouldn't be seeing very many txns in blocks that are truly new.
953 2013-12-04 11:44:38 <TD> so checking those blocks should be faster
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955 2013-12-04 11:48:21 <stonecoldpat> ah ok, am I right in thinking - once you hear a tx broadcast for the first time you verify it and cache it. Then if its included in subsequent blocks it can verified quicker - but what im wondering is that when a new transaction is created (so sending 5 btc to my friend) will generate a new signature (although using the same public key of a previous transaction) - this signature will look
956 2013-12-04 11:48:22 <stonecoldpat> different to any of my previous transactions and would require fresh verification?
957 2013-12-04 11:49:40 <TD> yeah
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1023 2013-12-04 13:42:11 <wumpus> I've made some small progress on debugging issue #3190 https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/3190 ... looks like the evil no-vin transaction is being transmitted as "wtxprev" for a wallet transaction that isn't being transmitted itself
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1026 2013-12-04 13:48:43 <gmaxwell> ah we already knew from phantomcircuit that dependency transactions were generally not getting stored.
1027 2013-12-04 13:48:59 <gmaxwell> IIRC phantomcircuit even has a patch to avoid trying to store them.
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1029 2013-12-04 13:49:10 <gmaxwell> I didn't think we'd rebroadcast them.
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1032 2013-12-04 13:50:09 <wumpus> yep... we not only broadcast dependency transaction, but dependency transactions for transactions that don't need to be transmitted itself
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1034 2013-12-04 13:50:47 <wumpus> I still don't understand why that transaction has a dependency transaction deemed to be without vins though..
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1036 2013-12-04 13:53:52 <wumpus> lots of hits on google for d21633ba23f70118185227be58a63527675641ad37967e2aa461559f577aec43
1037 2013-12-04 13:54:14 <wumpus> but gettransaction/getrawtransaction refuses to show info for it
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1039 2013-12-04 13:56:25 <warren> wumpus: curious that google has d21633ba23f70118185227be58a63527675641ad37967e2aa461559f577aec43 given that it was generated by litecoin testnet.
1040 2013-12-04 13:56:28 <gmaxwell> I think thats just the hash of 00000000 or something like that.
1041 2013-12-04 13:56:34 <warren> yeah
1042 2013-12-04 13:56:40 <wumpus> would it be a good idea to only transmit wtx prev's for transactions that we're actually going to transmit?
1043 2013-12-04 13:56:47 <warren> litecoin's testnet addresses are the same as bitcoin
1044 2013-12-04 13:57:00 <TD> i guess the idea is that if a tx exists, it should be public, so why distinguish
1045 2013-12-04 13:57:07 <gmaxwell> wumpus: yes, but also, I don't think we pretty much ever have actual wtx prevs.
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1047 2013-12-04 13:57:28 <wumpus> gmaxwell: yes, good point
1048 2013-12-04 13:59:31 <warren> Is this serious enough to fix in 0.8?
1049 2013-12-04 13:59:39 <wumpus> need to debug CWalletTx::AddSupportingTransactions anyway to find out the why
1050 2013-12-04 13:59:51 <wumpus> warren: yes, it is, people are getting banned
1051 2013-12-04 14:00:02 <wumpus> it should at least be worked around in 0.8
1052 2013-12-04 14:00:35 <warren> can people be induced to become banned, or this to be used to identify their nodes?
1053 2013-12-04 14:00:37 <gmaxwell> yea, It should be fixed in 0.8 if the fix is small, or at least a small workaround should be added.
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1056 2013-12-04 14:01:13 <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: can you explain why AddSupportingTransactions doesn't work, I've forgotten,
1057 2013-12-04 14:01:38 <wumpus> warren: I don't think it can be remotely triggered, but some people end up getting banned without doing anything wrong, which is wrong in itself
1058 2013-12-04 14:03:47 <warren> FYI: I've been shipping mem barrier + phantomcircuit's no-mmap patch for MacOS X only. Zero reports of corruption or crashes with that combo.
1059 2013-12-04 14:04:12 <warren> I added an ifdef to do no-mmap only on Mac. Not changing linux at the last minute when it has working code.
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1070 2013-12-04 14:22:07 <wumpus> hmm... I made it re-call AddSupportingTransactions for the transaction with the crazy vtxPrev, and now those supporting transactions are gone
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1072 2013-12-04 14:23:02 <wumpus> so the vtxPrev that were stored in the wallet with the transaction were wrong
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1074 2013-12-04 14:25:10 <wumpus> oh of course, maybe with a different COPY_DEPTH it will include them
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1076 2013-12-04 14:26:40 <wumpus> yes, that did it 2013-12-04 14:22:51 Adding vtxPrev transaction d21633ba23f70118185227be58a63527675641ad37967e2aa461559f577aec43
1077 2013-12-04 14:28:32 <wumpus> HAH
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1079 2013-12-04 14:29:18 <wumpus> https://github.com/litecoin-project/litecoin/blob/master-0.8/src/wallet.cpp#L745 this needs an "else continue;"
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1081 2013-12-04 14:29:50 <wumpus> currenly, if none of the two cases is hit, it stores an emptty transaction
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1084 2013-12-04 14:31:09 <wumpus> so there's two problems that need to be solved: invalid vtxPrev's being stored (a matter of adding the else), and invalid vtxPrevs in current wallets that are broadcasted
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1088 2013-12-04 14:41:23 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|stonecoldpat: You're not signing "this output can be spent"
1089 2013-12-04 14:41:42 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|You're signing "this output can be spent as part of this specific transaction"
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1091 2013-12-04 14:42:45 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Uh, is this stuck?
1092 2013-12-04 14:42:50 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|brb, refreshing
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1098 2013-12-04 14:47:30 <jgarzik_> mornin'
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1100 2013-12-04 14:49:20 <TD> morning
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1102 2013-12-04 14:51:52 <wumpus> ok, this should fix the empty vin ban issue see https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/3357 and https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/3356
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1108 2013-12-04 15:01:33 <gmaxwell> I wonder if we should be adding a validity check in there. Say I give you tx A which pays you {at address x} and spends B, now I go get a double spend of B mined. You're going to continue to broadcast B forever, which identifies you as the holder of address X, and also leaves you broadcasting txn with unknown parents forever (though at least we won't ban you for that)
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1113 2013-12-04 15:03:19 <gmaxwell> not something to fix now I guess.
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1122 2013-12-04 15:12:02 <typex> don't know if this is a suitable channel, but: I read about a project the other day but can't find it. it was aimed at Localbitcoins.com and other escrows to verify a bank transfer had been made by supplying a ssl-key + the bank statement. anyone know?
1123 2013-12-04 15:12:39 <gmaxwell> typex: it was discussed on bitcointalk at least, but that generally cannot work with ssl as it is today.
1124 2013-12-04 15:12:50 <TD> they have a neat approach
1125 2013-12-04 15:13:04 <TD> typex: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=173220.0
1126 2013-12-04 15:13:37 <typex> thanks!
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1128 2013-12-04 15:13:46 <typex> gmaxwell, oh ok that's a shame
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1130 2013-12-04 15:14:02 <typex> is there a specific channel for bitcoin projects and development like that?
1131 2013-12-04 15:14:09 <typex> would be sweet :-)
1132 2013-12-04 15:14:13 <gmaxwell> Oh thats cute. Kludgey but cute!
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1134 2013-12-04 15:14:16 <TD> gmaxwell: they are using a very interesting design that involves routing traffic via an oracle running on amazon web services
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1136 2013-12-04 15:14:26 <TD> so it's "possible" as long as your bank doesn't throw a fit at seeing connections coming from AWS
1137 2013-12-04 15:14:32 <TD> (which unfortunately some do)
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1139 2013-12-04 15:14:40 <TD> but it's the most promising line of research i've seen yet for a truly decentralised exchange
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1141 2013-12-04 15:14:48 <gmaxwell> the proxy logs the encrypted traffic so you know that the user couldn't have forged it. you still have to trust the oracle to perform this task faithfully.
1142 2013-12-04 15:15:03 <TD> yes, but, the oracle is done using the AWS recipe. so amazon acts as the root of trust
1143 2013-12-04 15:15:11 <TD> and then it's possible to do a remote attestation to the state of the VPS
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1146 2013-12-04 15:15:26 <TD> it's a very, very clever solution. i'd never have thought of it (don't know enough about AWS)
1147 2013-12-04 15:15:32 <gmaxwell> typex: #bitcoin-wizards is usually where we discuss future and fancy stuff that isn't directly connected to the bitcoin network of today.
1148 2013-12-04 15:15:46 <TD> i believe they want testing at the moment
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1151 2013-12-04 15:17:50 <typex> gmaxwell, cool
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1153 2013-12-04 15:18:37 <rdn> around how many peers does the bitcoin client stop trying to acquire more?
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1159 2013-12-04 15:20:51 <gmaxwell> rdn: it always makes 8 outbound, inbound is whatever comes in up to the maximum connection count (125 by default)
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1229 2013-12-04 16:40:22 <kalebe> hi
1230 2013-12-04 16:40:47 <kalebe> i'm new on bitcoin. use linux and started using bitcoind.
1231 2013-12-04 16:41:18 <kalebe> what are the steps to get an bit coin address? I already downloaded the blocks.
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1237 2013-12-04 16:43:18 <lclc> kalebe: since you ask here (developer channel) I guess you want to talk to the API: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Original_Bitcoin_client/API_calls_list otherways #bitcoin may be the right channel
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1239 2013-12-04 16:44:51 <kalebe> but here isn't related to tecnical details? my questions are mostly about software procedures...
1240 2013-12-04 16:45:52 <kalebe> i thought #bitcoin was more for discussions related to bitcoin itself
1241 2013-12-04 16:45:53 <kalebe> but ok
1242 2013-12-04 16:46:02 <lclc> you want to use the RPC-API to talk to bitcoind or using the source?
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1245 2013-12-04 16:48:27 <gesell> there is no way to get the public key from someones address? So if I wanted to do a multi-signature address with a friend I would need to explain to them how to get their public key, right? no other way
1246 2013-12-04 16:48:40 <bluesceada> hey which is the cheapest fpga board that is a normal dev board (still some I/O pins broken out / available), that can also be used for mining (or could, with minimal integration work of some opensource vhdl/verilog design?)
1247 2013-12-04 16:48:47 <kalebe> lclc: i use linux, installed bitcoind and edited the bitcoin.conf at my will... after that start runin bitcoind and it downloaded almost 8GB of blocks, and still downloading...
1248 2013-12-04 16:49:09 <kalebe> now i don't know what i must do to use it or generete and account...
1249 2013-12-04 16:49:27 <lclc> just start bitcoin-qt
1250 2013-12-04 16:49:30 <kalebe> i already saw bitcoind manual..
1251 2013-12-04 16:49:31 <gmaxwell> gesell: no good way, you wouldn't want to use a random key you think someone else can use in any caseâ that key might be, for example, part of their coinbase wallet, and they can't use it for a multisignature signing.
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1253 2013-12-04 16:49:54 <gmaxwell> gesell: you'd have to explain to them how to release the transaction in any case.
1254 2013-12-04 16:50:29 <kalebe> lclc: i can only make it work with an graphic program?
1255 2013-12-04 16:50:59 <kalebe> can't i just use bitcoind to do all stuff related to bitcoin?
1256 2013-12-04 16:51:01 <gesell> gmaxwell: do you know when this type of functionality might slowly find its way into clien UI's? and yes, the issue with online wallets is a total other problem
1257 2013-12-04 16:51:44 <lclc> kalebe: no you can also do it with the API from the link I send you. e.g: bitcoind getinfo
1258 2013-12-04 16:52:49 <gmaxwell> gesell: You can already get a public key via the UI, I'm not sure that we'll ever do more for "get public key" than that. What I hope we'll eventually implement is a full multisignature wallet, at some point. But no one is working on that right now.
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1260 2013-12-04 16:53:37 <kalebe> lclc: i'm already runing bitcoind as daemon... when i try to send commands like getinfo or setaccount it say's "error: no response from server"
1261 2013-12-04 16:54:01 <gmaxwell> Okay. Maybe someone is working on it.
1262 2013-12-04 16:54:25 <kalebe> when I say send, I mean type bitcoind getinfo, when bitcoind is already runing
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1266 2013-12-04 16:57:49 <lclc> kalebe: do you have set server=1 in your bitcoin.conf file?
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1275 2013-12-04 17:04:37 <shesek> are transactions removed eventually from the mempool if they don't get mined?
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1277 2013-12-04 17:05:58 <Apocalyptic> yes shesek
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1279 2013-12-04 17:07:03 <shesek> how is it determined? after some fixed amount of time is passed, or what?
1280 2013-12-04 17:07:49 <TD> no
1281 2013-12-04 17:08:00 <TD> though if your node restarts it won't reload the transactions (in existing releases)
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1283 2013-12-04 17:08:12 <kalebe> lclc: i put server=1 on bitcoin.conf and restarted the server. I still can't use any command, even "bitcoind getinfo"
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1287 2013-12-04 17:10:25 <shesek> TD, but it'll still be in everyone else's mempool
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1289 2013-12-04 17:11:32 <lclc> kalebe: hm ok, ehm I don't have any other idea what could be wrong atm, sorry
1290 2013-12-04 17:11:47 <TD> yes
1291 2013-12-04 17:13:23 <lclc> have to go, back in 40min
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1293 2013-12-04 17:13:37 <kalebe> lclc: thx bro
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1296 2013-12-04 17:18:06 <kalebe> must i open rpc connection port on my firewall or it's just for receiving external commands??
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1302 2013-12-04 17:22:52 <pigeons> kalebe: don't allow external RPC connections except unusual special applications
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1315 2013-12-04 17:36:37 <cfields> Luke-Jr: ping. All stages and outputs are now deterministic. http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=3fhkedS8
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1319 2013-12-04 17:39:06 <cfields> Luke-Jr: gah, helps if i hash the right file: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=E4q1SEEk
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1332 2013-12-04 17:52:42 <gmaxwell> hm. running my testnet wallet in valgrind with master as of a few minutes ago.. haven't run it in valgrind for a while, have some uninit jumps at
1333 2013-12-04 17:52:45 <gmaxwell> ==17609== at 0x227984: CWallet::LoadKeyMetadata(CPubKey const&, CKeyMetadata const&) (wallet.cpp:96)
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1339 2013-12-04 17:59:19 <CodeShark> even with txindex on, getrawtransaction won't fetch the transaction of the genesis block, huh?
1340 2013-12-04 17:59:53 <CodeShark> minor annoyance - simple fix, but I guess nobody has thought it worthwhile
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1342 2013-12-04 18:02:28 <CodeShark> or simple patch, might be a better term - since the behavior of the first block in satoshi's implementation was always errant
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1344 2013-12-04 18:03:19 <CodeShark> as far as everyone's concerned, that transaction only exists to give the genesis block its hash :)
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1347 2013-12-04 18:07:53 <onscreen> anyone have any x1 > x16 risers to sell?
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1350 2013-12-04 18:11:15 <TD> does anyone know who is behind Kraken? is that Michael Gronager's company (payward)?
1351 2013-12-04 18:15:08 <TD> seems so
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1353 2013-12-04 18:20:33 <BlueMattBot> Yippie, build fixed!
1354 2013-12-04 18:20:33 <BlueMattBot> Project Bitcoin build #493: FIXED in 42 min: http://jenkins.bluematt.me/job/Bitcoin/493/
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1363 2013-12-04 18:34:35 <gmaxwell> TD: I was a bit confused that someone in my office came up and asked me about it yesterday, I'd never heard of it before. Then I looked back at my screen and #bitcoin was chattering about it.
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1365 2013-12-04 18:35:08 <TD> just co-incidence i guess. i just realised i didn't know anything about them
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1374 2013-12-04 18:46:32 <Luke-Jr> cfields: I read over my original requirements list and noted: - A single yml (or equivalent) per dependency, leading up to a final deterministic Bitcoin-Qt DMG.
1375 2013-12-04 18:46:52 <Luke-Jr> probably trivial
1376 2013-12-04 18:47:49 <cfields> Luke-Jr: i can do that if you'd like, but it seems rather senseless to break it up into ~15 ymls...
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1378 2013-12-04 18:50:15 <cfields> Luke-Jr: it's broken up logically by make targets, i'd call that a reasonable equivalent?
1379 2013-12-04 18:51:10 <Luke-Jr> cfields: maybe - I'm thinking of the perspective of reusing the individual ymls for other targets though
1380 2013-12-04 18:51:29 <cfields> i have no problem splitting it out if you think it's necessary, i just don't see how it'd be helpful
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1385 2013-12-04 18:56:09 <JyZyXEL> how do i remove a tx from bitcoind's mempool?
1386 2013-12-04 18:56:19 <JyZyXEL> it seems to persist over restarts
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1388 2013-12-04 18:56:38 <cfields> Luke-Jr: how about if i split them into individual makefiles, then gitian can make each one individually? It's important to me to be able to build without gitian, so that it's useful for eg. pulltester
1389 2013-12-04 18:57:35 <Luke-Jr> cfields: sure
1390 2013-12-04 18:58:04 <berndj> Luke-Jr, is ljrbot ok? (in case you didn't know - and assuming it's yours)
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1392 2013-12-04 18:58:18 <cfields> Luke-Jr: you'd consider the requirements met in that case?
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1395 2013-12-04 18:59:03 <shesek> oh wow, people are starting to talk about bitrated - https://twitter.com/search?q=bitrated
1396 2013-12-04 18:59:40 <shesek> that's really cool :)
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1406 2013-12-04 19:15:02 <davispuh> something really weird just happened, with bitcoin-qt on windows, I did "sendfrom davispuh 1651BHWarSxvj2twccBCGPNHYXguRBZrt2 0.0002385" but seems something went wrong
1407 2013-12-04 19:15:13 <davispuh> this tx https://blockchain.info/tx/3fb559f8c0fc73882c9d45e15ec7f074f38d43af079c386f07b202c3898da191
1408 2013-12-04 19:16:15 <davispuh> and davispuh addreess is 1DMT1fPDdh1o9UCWkx1ZmwV7eNnxmSad6k from which I wanted to send, not from that 1651...
1409 2013-12-04 19:16:40 <pigeons> sendfrom means account not address i think
1410 2013-12-04 19:16:57 <gmaxwell> davispuh: First I direct your attention to the channel topic.
1411 2013-12-04 19:17:19 <gmaxwell> in particular, the "There is no from address" part.
1412 2013-12-04 19:17:28 <gmaxwell> Transactions do not have a from address.
1413 2013-12-04 19:17:58 <gmaxwell> You're misunderstanding what the accounts functionality does. Accounts are _purely_ local bookkeeping. They do not change what happens on the network in the slightest.
1414 2013-12-04 19:18:01 <ryan-c> What does it take to get a new transaction template made standard?
1415 2013-12-04 19:18:11 <davispuh> sendfrom <fromaccount> <tobitcoinaddress> <amount>
1416 2013-12-04 19:18:12 <Luke-Jr> cfields: when it's split out of the bitcoin git repo, yes
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1418 2013-12-04 19:18:27 <Luke-Jr> ryan-c: show a use case
1419 2013-12-04 19:18:32 <ryan-c> davispuh: Accounts are not addresses.
1420 2013-12-04 19:18:39 <gmaxwell> ryan-c: Test it on testnet, describe the application in an issue or (preferrably) pull request. If it's using opcodes which aren't well tested, you may be asked to help improve the test cases.
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1422 2013-12-04 19:19:25 <davispuh> I thought accounts are labels for addreses :|
1423 2013-12-04 19:19:42 <ryan-c> davispuh: Accounts are labels for groups of addresses.
1424 2013-12-04 19:19:45 <gmaxwell> davispuh: no, they're just local book keeping, like spending categories in a memo field in your checkbook.
1425 2013-12-04 19:19:54 <gmaxwell> "This week I spend 0.02 btc on groceries!"
1426 2013-12-04 19:20:02 <cfields> Luke-Jr: ok. i don't suppose you've tried building again with the last round of fixes?
1427 2013-12-04 19:20:11 <ryan-c> davispuh: Read up on how change addresses work.
1428 2013-12-04 19:20:28 <Luke-Jr> cfields: in the process
1429 2013-12-04 19:20:35 <cfields> ok
1430 2013-12-04 19:21:02 <ryan-c> gmaxwell: Thanks. How long does the approval process normally take?
1431 2013-12-04 19:21:05 <davispuh> I wanted to send from X address to Y, but it sent from Y to Y with change in Z
1432 2013-12-04 19:21:11 <Luke-Jr> cfields: none of the depends match; doing b-qt now
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1435 2013-12-04 19:21:51 <cfields> Luke-Jr: mm. In the past, what has differed between gitian instances?
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1437 2013-12-04 19:22:13 <cfields> I've verified multiple times that I get the same results locally.
1438 2013-12-04 19:22:18 * Luke-Jr shrugs
1439 2013-12-04 19:22:18 <gmaxwell> ryan-c: mostly the time delays would just be in getting into a release and it being deployed in the network. Timeframe of months.
1440 2013-12-04 19:22:43 <gmaxwell> ryan-c: what do you want made not non-standard?
1441 2013-12-04 19:23:10 <cfields> Luke-Jr: ok. Mind sending one of the tarballs for diffing?
1442 2013-12-04 19:23:29 <ryan-c> gmaxwell: Efficiently encoded 'master key or N-of-M'
1443 2013-12-04 19:23:29 <Luke-Jr> cfields: are there any copyright concerns?
1444 2013-12-04 19:24:24 <ryan-c> Well, that generally. In my specific use case, N == M.
1445 2013-12-04 19:24:34 <andytoshi> davispuh: http://download.wpsoftware.net/bitcoin/bitcoin-faq.pdf
1446 2013-12-04 19:25:21 <gmaxwell> ryan-c: so it's A or C&&D&&E&&F... ?
1447 2013-12-04 19:25:28 <ryan-c> gmaxwell: yes
1448 2013-12-04 19:25:32 <cfields> Luke-Jr: only if you want to be very pedantic. You'd be sending me files I already have and have the rights to.
1449 2013-12-04 19:26:58 <ryan-c> Also, I just saw a note that multisig transactions with more than three pubkeys are considered non-standard, is that accurate?
1450 2013-12-04 19:27:53 <Luke-Jr> cfields: uploading files to <PM> - my upload is slow tho
1451 2013-12-04 19:28:08 <davispuh> I think that account thing is quite confusing, besides it doesn't appear anywhere in GUI
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1453 2013-12-04 19:29:30 <gmaxwell> ryan-c: yes, right now.
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1455 2013-12-04 19:30:08 <ryan-c> gmaxwell: Is that mostly for size reasons, or something else?
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1457 2013-12-04 19:31:40 <gmaxwell> ryan-c: yes, in general we've avoided permitting things as IsStandard that have higher abuse potential (e.g. encoding edgy content into the blockchain, or just wasting a bunch of CPU with checksig operators) unless someone had an actual application for them. E.g. an implementation, even if its preproduction.
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1459 2013-12-04 19:32:06 <ryan-c> gmaxwell: I do have a useful application in mind.
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1470 2013-12-04 19:44:51 <davispuh> so why there isn't from address?
1471 2013-12-04 19:45:40 <ryan-c> Hm. is sig(keyA, nonce1, data1) + sig(keyB, nonce1, data1) == sig(keyA+keyB, nonce1, data1)?
1472 2013-12-04 19:45:55 <ryan-c> (in any way?)
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1474 2013-12-04 19:46:22 <andytoshi> davispuh: because that's not how bitcoin works?
1475 2013-12-04 19:46:24 <ryan-c> davispuh: A bitcoin transaction has zero or more inputs and one or more outputs.
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1477 2013-12-04 19:46:39 <ryan-c> inputs/outputs may or may not contain an address
1478 2013-12-04 19:47:04 <ryan-c> and it is *very* common for there to be more than one input and more than one output
1479 2013-12-04 19:47:27 <davispuh> yeah, but if I want to transfer from one specific address and not touch others
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1481 2013-12-04 19:47:50 <ryan-c> davispuh: Any particular reason why?
1482 2013-12-04 19:48:22 <ryan-c> Why do you need from a specific address rather than an account?
1483 2013-12-04 19:48:59 <ryan-c> What you want to do is *possible* but it requires some tedious stuff.
1484 2013-12-04 19:49:58 <helo> is the current dev direction interested in bitcoin being used by everyone for everyday small transactions (eg lunch)
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1486 2013-12-04 19:50:14 <gmaxwell> Quoting again from the topic, "There is no from address"
1487 2013-12-04 19:50:18 <ryan-c> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Script < Are ops marked "disabled" also disabled on testnet?
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1489 2013-12-04 19:50:51 <davispuh> I don't think I know how to use accounts, in GUI there aren't any way to manage them, but I've different labels for each address, that's why I though it's same as accounts
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1491 2013-12-04 19:51:26 <gmaxwell> helo: please distinguish the bitcoin currency (yes) and the bitcoin payment network (I don't think that doing so is technologically feasable at the current time, without severely compromising truslessness. But I'll be happy for that opinion to change)
1492 2013-12-04 19:51:33 <gmaxwell> ryan-c: no.
1493 2013-12-04 19:51:40 <gmaxwell> ryan-c: oh ops disabled!
1494 2013-12-04 19:51:41 <gmaxwell> yes.
1495 2013-12-04 19:51:50 <gmaxwell> Sorry, I thought you were still asking about IsStandard.
1496 2013-12-04 19:52:14 <gmaxwell> ryan-c: the disabled opcodes just don't exist, effectively.
1497 2013-12-04 19:52:42 <ryan-c> gmaxwell: Ah. I donno if it was you I was talking to before, but I think for the transactions I wanted to not be annoyingly large OP_CAT was needed.
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1499 2013-12-04 19:53:03 <gmaxwell> ryan-c: No can do.
1500 2013-12-04 19:53:10 <gmaxwell> maybe in a couple years.
1501 2013-12-04 19:53:14 <ryan-c> gmaxwell: Yeah, I was afraid of that.
1502 2013-12-04 19:53:38 <gmaxwell> IsStandard stuff is trivial to change, but adding opcodes is not so much.
1503 2013-12-04 19:54:30 <gmaxwell> P2SH deployment has been a real disappointment. Realistically I don't know what to tell you to expect for adding opcodes.
1504 2013-12-04 19:54:53 <ryan-c> Got it. Is it a "ensuring we don't introduce security vulns by adding this opcode" thing? The wiki page says it's out of concern for impl bugs
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1506 2013-12-04 19:58:03 <gmaxwell> ryan-c: they were disabled because we had exploitable vulnerabilities in a couple and all the risky ones were turned off as a reaction. Unfortunately they're hard off. So reintroducing them would have to either be done as a hard fork, or by a deployment similar to P2SH.
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1508 2013-12-04 19:59:23 <ryan-c> gmaxwell: hm, what about this....
1509 2013-12-04 20:00:18 <ryan-c> OP_DUP OP_HASH160 <pubKeyHash> OP_EQUAL OP_IF OP_CHECKSIGVERIFY OP_ELSE OP_HASH160 <scriptHash> OP_EQUALVERIFY OP_ENDIF OP_RETURN
1510 2013-12-04 20:00:54 <ryan-c> Accepting either a standard spend to the public key or a P2SH style thing
1511 2013-12-04 20:01:22 <ryan-c> Would need code changes to work, though.
1512 2013-12-04 20:01:30 <ryan-c> and probably a new address type
1513 2013-12-04 20:02:05 <gmaxwell> ryan-c: what I think you're struggling for there is merkelized ast.
1514 2013-12-04 20:02:16 <ryan-c> yeah, pretty sure we discussed this before.
1515 2013-12-04 20:02:46 <gmaxwell> as described on https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/User:Gmaxwell/alt_ideas
1516 2013-12-04 20:02:47 <gmaxwell> Ultimate P2SH:
1517 2013-12-04 20:02:47 <gmaxwell> Represent the script as a merklized abstract syntax tree. The P2SH address is the root. When spending the spender only may provide only the branch they are executing, and hashes for the unexecuted branches. This increases privacy and can compress long scripts on spend.
1518 2013-12-04 20:03:15 <ryan-c> yeah, i somehow forgot about your merklized ast idea
1519 2013-12-04 20:03:42 <gmaxwell> that one isn't mine, :P it's sipa + roconnor
1520 2013-12-04 20:03:48 <gmaxwell> but yea.
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1522 2013-12-04 20:03:53 <ryan-c> you mentioned it to me before
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1525 2013-12-04 20:04:32 <ryan-c> do you know if there's any way to additively compute N-of-N multisigs?
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1527 2013-12-04 20:05:27 * ryan-c looks up how ecdsa works
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1530 2013-12-04 20:08:28 <gmaxwell> No. DSA signatures can't be computed that way.
1531 2013-12-04 20:08:52 <gmaxwell> Schnorr signatures can be, however. One of many reasons I wish we had them instead of DSA.
1532 2013-12-04 20:13:33 <davispuh> is there a way to reset/merge all accounts into one?
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1541 2013-12-04 20:20:39 <gmaxwell> davispuh: setaccount on all your account set addresses and then use move if there are any funds left over.
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1545 2013-12-04 20:26:23 <davispuh> after setaccount they don't disapear from listaccounts and also it generates new address
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1548 2013-12-04 20:30:11 <davispuh> when I renamed all labels with one name, then they doesn't show up in accounts anymore
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1551 2013-12-04 20:35:37 <davispuh> but still, there's few accounts with 0 balance, no labels and still shows with listaccounts
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1553 2013-12-04 20:36:09 <davispuh> getaddressesbyaccount <acc> returns empty
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1555 2013-12-04 20:37:25 <roconnor> gmaxwell: I want additive signature and P2SH, but they seem incompatible.
1556 2013-12-04 20:37:33 <roconnor> *and ultimate P2SH
1557 2013-12-04 20:37:40 <ryan-c> oh
1558 2013-12-04 20:37:46 <ryan-c> did you say additive signature?
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1560 2013-12-04 20:38:11 <ryan-c> gmaxwell: Oh, okay, I now see your comment about signatures
1561 2013-12-04 20:38:54 <gmaxwell> roconnor: I don't see why you think they're incompatible?
1562 2013-12-04 20:39:59 <roconnor> gmaxwell: possibly because I don't understand the additive signature scheme in detail.
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1564 2013-12-04 20:40:04 <ryan-c> could do a signature just via a combined key, but that requires all the aux signers to trust each other.
1565 2013-12-04 20:40:18 <gmaxwell> ryan-c: yea thats lame.
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1567 2013-12-04 20:41:44 <gmaxwell> With schnorr signatures you can basically just do something analogous to N signatures of the same data with N keys can be added, and the result is the same as what you'd get with signing with the single key which is the sum of the keys.
1568 2013-12-04 20:42:19 <gmaxwell> so you could have a script that adds up keys from an allowed set according to allowed rules.. and then checks for a signature with the resulting key.
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1571 2013-12-04 20:43:10 <roconnor> oh, ... what is the purpose of this?
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1573 2013-12-04 20:44:13 <gmaxwell> roconnor: making multiparty signatures more efficient. e.g. if you want funds that can only be released if Alice Bob and Carol agree, having three pubkeys and three signatures in the transaction is kinda lame.
1574 2013-12-04 20:44:28 <nospinzy> where can you get hash rates for all alternative cryptos
1575 2013-12-04 20:45:16 <nospinzy> if you wanted to chart the hash rate from a crypto that isnt on an exchange would you need to install the wallet on a sevrer or something
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1577 2013-12-04 20:45:33 <roconnor> gmaxwell: oh I thought the purpose was for miners to take all the transactions and turn it into one big transaction.
1578 2013-12-04 20:45:41 <nospinzy> there should be a pinksheets market where all alternative cryptos can register first thing
1579 2013-12-04 20:46:08 <gmaxwell> roconnor: ah, no, thats a seperate discussion! :P
1580 2013-12-04 20:46:23 <roconnor> gmaxwell: oh, which discussion is that?
1581 2013-12-04 20:46:40 <gmaxwell> schnorr sigantures are additive but not to the same degree pairing based OWAS signatures are. Have you seen that paper?
1582 2013-12-04 20:47:16 <gmaxwell> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=290971.0 < these pairing short signatures can be added even when they are signatures over different data.
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1587 2013-12-04 20:51:58 <roconnor> gmaxwell: okay, so I wanted to say that aggregate signature and P2SH are incompatable or at least not obvously compatible
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1589 2013-12-04 20:53:00 <gmaxwell> roconnor: you can't aggregate the p2sh part, but I don't see why you can't aggregate the inputs to checksig operators, effectively.
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1591 2013-12-04 20:54:44 <roconnor> I suppose that is true.
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1595 2013-12-04 21:02:23 <davispuh> Is it normal that change address doesn't appear under receive addresses?
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1597 2013-12-04 21:05:32 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|20:43:09 <Luke-Jr> cfields: I read over my original requirements list and noted: - A single yml (or equivalent) per dependency, leading up to a final deterministic Bitcoin-Qt DMG.
1598 2013-12-04 21:05:32 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|20:47:46 <Luke-Jr> cfields: maybe - I'm thinking of the perspective of reusing the individual ymls for other targets though
1599 2013-12-04 21:05:32 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|/me notes that this isn't done for win32 at the moment...
1600 2013-12-04 21:05:32 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|20:52:55 <JyZyXEL> it seems to persist over restarts
1601 2013-12-04 21:05:32 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|JyZyXEL: Mempool transactions don't. Wallet transactions do, though.
1602 2013-12-04 21:05:33 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|cfields: Have you had the depends deterministic across days? In the past I've seen other gbuilds (for linux or win32, don't remember the details) that were deterministic when built several times in a row, but the next day were different
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1604 2013-12-04 21:06:13 <cfields> michagogo|cloud: i believe so
1605 2013-12-04 21:06:29 <cfields> michagogo|cloud: luke sent me one of his tarballs, the difference is permissions
1606 2013-12-04 21:06:35 <cfields> i'm not sure how.
1607 2013-12-04 21:06:39 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|aha
1608 2013-12-04 21:06:50 <JyZyXEL> michagogo|cloud: yeah i noticed the wallet transactions persist, how do i remove one of them?
1609 2013-12-04 21:07:04 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|JyZyXEL: Not easily
1610 2013-12-04 21:07:10 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|There are a few ways
1611 2013-12-04 21:07:20 <JyZyXEL> i have a transaction there that i don't want to be part of the public ledger
1612 2013-12-04 21:07:23 <cfields> michagogo|cloud: shouldn't permissions always be the same for everyone building in gitian? I'm not seeing how that would change
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1614 2013-12-04 21:07:49 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|JyZyXEL: One is to go into the wallet db, either with something like pywallet or with generic bdb tools, and delete the transaction
1615 2013-12-04 21:08:02 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|cfields: I'd think that, yes
1616 2013-12-04 21:08:14 <JyZyXEL> i shall check out pywallet
1617 2013-12-04 21:08:17 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I'd help test, if I had my computer...
1618 2013-12-04 21:08:29 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|JyZyXEL: The other way is to start your client with -salvagewallet
1619 2013-12-04 21:08:45 <cfields> michagogo|cloud: my suspicion is that if you ran it, you'd get either my output or luke's. I'm trying to track down where that could change
1620 2013-12-04 21:08:57 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|JyZyXEL: What that does is create a new wallet.dat, transfer all your privkeys, and rescan
1621 2013-12-04 21:09:34 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|That would discard any metadata -- so transactions, dates, address labels, and the like
1622 2013-12-04 21:09:52 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|s/tr/unconfirmed tr/
1623 2013-12-04 21:09:55 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Well
1624 2013-12-04 21:10:03 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Technically it *does* discard the transactions
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1626 2013-12-04 21:10:33 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|And then gets the confirmed ones back from the blockchain and its indices
1627 2013-12-04 21:10:42 <JyZyXEL> yeah unconfirmed transactions would disappear because they aren't part of the blockchain that gets evaluated with -rescan
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1629 2013-12-04 21:11:22 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|right
1630 2013-12-04 21:11:50 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(note that by "discard", I just mean that it doesn't transfer over. Your existing wallet isn't deleted or overwritten, just renamed.)
1631 2013-12-04 21:12:24 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|JyZyXEL: Why do you need to expunge an unconfirmed transaction?
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1633 2013-12-04 21:12:38 <JyZyXEL> because it has no fee and it never gets confirmed, its pissing me off
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1636 2013-12-04 21:14:06 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|JyZyXEL: Well, there are other ways around that
1637 2013-12-04 21:14:18 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|For example, ask Luke-Jr :-P
1638 2013-12-04 21:15:26 <JyZyXEL> thats ok, i don't even want it in the public chain
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1653 2013-12-04 21:34:17 <saracen> So, what is the relationship between FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFEBAAEDCE6AF48A03BBFD25E8CD0364140 and 2^160?
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1657 2013-12-04 21:36:08 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|?
1658 2013-12-04 21:36:29 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Is that the highest valid ECDSA privkey?
1659 2013-12-04 21:37:53 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Ah, yes, it is
1660 2013-12-04 21:38:04 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|There isn't a relationship.
1661 2013-12-04 21:38:58 <nospinzy> what kind of server do i need to host litecoind
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1663 2013-12-04 21:39:08 <nospinzy> do i need a dedicated server?
1664 2013-12-04 21:39:10 <Ry4an> nospinzy: wrong channel
1665 2013-12-04 21:39:13 <nospinzy> or can a shared host work
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1667 2013-12-04 21:39:24 <nospinzy> its not the wrong channel it goes for bitcoin aswell
1668 2013-12-04 21:39:38 <Ry4an> but not -dev. Ask in #bitcoin.
1669 2013-12-04 21:39:56 <nospinzy> bitcoin dev = developers
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1672 2013-12-04 21:42:17 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Erm
1673 2013-12-04 21:42:33 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Apparently, according to the topic, this channel is for "Development of the Bitcoin"
1674 2013-12-04 21:42:43 <saracen> michagogo|cloud: What's the lowest possible ecdsa privkey?
1675 2013-12-04 21:42:51 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|saracen: 0 or 1, I think?
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1678 2013-12-04 21:43:08 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|The first entry on directory.io
1679 2013-12-04 21:43:12 <saracen> michagogo|cloud: This is where I get confused then. If there's only support to be 2^160 valid bitcoin addresses
1680 2013-12-04 21:43:23 <saracen> supposed*
1681 2013-12-04 21:43:39 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|there are only 2^160 pubkey hashes, yes
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1683 2013-12-04 21:44:01 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I see where you're going with this
1684 2013-12-04 21:44:25 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Yes, there are, mathematically, multiple privkeys that can spend from the same address
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1686 2013-12-04 21:44:38 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|But the numbers are big enough that that's not a practical concern
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1689 2013-12-04 21:45:10 <saracen> Right, I see. I'm the author of directory.io btw. Somebody pointed out that I was duplicating keys past a certain point. I wanted to know why that "point" existed.
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1692 2013-12-04 21:46:14 <saracen> at FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFEBAAEDCE6AF48A03BBFD25E8CD0364141, the keys start to duplicate, as if the private key value 0 was used
1693 2013-12-04 21:46:19 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Oh, that's why your name sounded familiar :-P
1694 2013-12-04 21:46:32 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|saracen: Ah, sounds like you're wrapping around
1695 2013-12-04 21:46:53 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|The solution is simply, have FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFEBAAEDCE6AF48A03BBFD25E8CD0364140 be the last key
1696 2013-12-04 21:47:13 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(since that *is* the last key)
1697 2013-12-04 21:47:15 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Erm
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1702 2013-12-04 21:48:00 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|yeah, I think that's right
1703 2013-12-04 21:48:09 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFEBAAEDCE6AF48A03BBFD25E8CD0364140 is the highest possible privkey
1704 2013-12-04 21:48:55 <saracen> But, that's more than 2^160. So am I still duplicating at that point. Maybe I'm being dumb :(
1705 2013-12-04 21:49:06 <saracen> at some point*. forgive me, very tired :)
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1711 2013-12-04 21:57:26 <Happzz> i need testnet coins to mmmmmmnz7N5h2GwdYhKZraQZS4jMSukdzn (don't care what amount). i can send it to you so you can send it to me, if you don't have any.
1712 2013-12-04 21:58:23 <Happzz> thanks.
1713 2013-12-04 21:58:26 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Happzz: Again
1714 2013-12-04 21:58:30 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|tpfaucet.appspot.com
1715 2013-12-04 21:58:44 <Happzz> michagogo|cloud "again"? thanks.
1716 2013-12-04 21:59:00 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|You asked for testnet coins to that address the other day
1717 2013-12-04 21:59:08 <Happzz> michagogo|cloud API error 5 (urlfetch: DEADLINE_EXCEEDED)
1718 2013-12-04 21:59:11 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|And I told you about the faucet
1719 2013-12-04 21:59:17 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Happzz: happens sometimes, try again
1720 2013-12-04 21:59:17 <Happzz> yeah, i did. i didn't see your reply i guess.
1721 2013-12-04 21:59:41 <shesek> try http://testnet.mojocoin.com/
1722 2013-12-04 21:59:52 <roconnor> saracen: the number of valid keys is the order of the elliptic curve (less one since 0 is not a valid key).
1723 2013-12-04 21:59:54 <shesek> I find them to work better usually
1724 2013-12-04 22:00:14 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|shesek: Yeah, more reliable and no captcha, but rate-limited
1725 2013-12-04 22:00:15 <roconnor> saracen: the order of the ellipic curve is a paritcular prime number and it is not a power of 2.
1726 2013-12-04 22:00:33 <Happzz> shesek mojo works better. thanks.
1727 2013-12-04 22:00:48 <Happzz> i should make some irc-based faucet
1728 2013-12-04 22:00:57 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|saracen: Yeah. If you stop at FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFEBAAEDCE6AF48A03BBFD25E8CD0364140, you're going to be duplicating addresses
1729 2013-12-04 22:01:15 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Happzz: How would you do that and prevent draining?
1730 2013-12-04 22:01:34 <roconnor> (orders of elliptic curves do not have to be prime numbers, but it is cryptographically useful if they are, and this curve was picked in particular because it's order is prime)
1731 2013-12-04 22:01:56 <Happzz> michagogo|cloud oh, simple. 2 things: ban spammers/flooders, and limit the withdraw to % of the balance :)
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1733 2013-12-04 22:02:07 <gmaxwell> michagogo|cloud: he absolutely should be stopping at FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFEBAAEDCE6AF48A03BBFD25E8CD0364140 .. and yes there will be duplicates, but you cannot find them or RIPEMD160 or SHA256 is broken.
1734 2013-12-04 22:02:09 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Happzz: A while back, someone set up a bot to drain tpfaucet.appspot.com
1735 2013-12-04 22:02:27 <Happzz> michagogo|cloud of testnet coins? what a jerk
1736 2013-12-04 22:02:39 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Happzz: That's why he added the recaptcha
1737 2013-12-04 22:02:43 <saracen> Right, I get it now. So, I should stop at that point, but in reality, there will still be collisions, just a lot harder to find? Stopping here stops them wrapping around?
1738 2013-12-04 22:02:58 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|saracen: the answer to your last question is yes
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1740 2013-12-04 22:03:12 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|And yes, there will be address collisions
1741 2013-12-04 22:03:17 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|But they're impossible to find
1742 2013-12-04 22:03:19 <Happzz> michagogo|cloud ya well, irc is harder to drain i guess
1743 2013-12-04 22:03:28 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Happzz: IRC is harder to captcha.
1744 2013-12-04 22:03:38 <saracen> Right, got it. Thanks guys. Thank you roconnor for notifying me the other day - lot less busy now, so will fix :)
1745 2013-12-04 22:03:39 <Happzz> michagogo|cloud it's easier to ban :)
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1747 2013-12-04 22:03:44 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|nah
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1749 2013-12-04 22:03:58 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|not significantly
1750 2013-12-04 22:04:06 <Happzz> i'm optimistic lol
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1753 2013-12-04 22:04:27 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Happzz: I think the way the faucet worked before was just a simple POST
1754 2013-12-04 22:04:49 <Happzz> i can't see any valid reason to captcha on testnet coins
1755 2013-12-04 22:04:53 <Happzz> it's too annoying
1756 2013-12-04 22:04:54 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Meaning that it would be trivial to automatically resend the request over and over again
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1759 2013-12-04 22:05:15 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Happzz: to prevent automated faucet draining, which I believe happened to tpfaucet
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1761 2013-12-04 22:05:30 <shesek> michagogo|cloud, I usually just send 1 coin to my wallet, then split it to 0.1 payments for testing.... you don't really need more then that for testing
1762 2013-12-04 22:05:39 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|shesek: That's also true
1763 2013-12-04 22:05:56 <cfields> devrandom: ping
1764 2013-12-04 22:05:59 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|What with the whole divisibility to 8 decimal places thing...
1765 2013-12-04 22:06:10 <Happzz> ^ true
1766 2013-12-04 22:06:12 <roconnor> technically you can recieve payment at a curve point instead of at a bitcoin address if you are worried about hash collisions.
1767 2013-12-04 22:06:34 <Happzz> brb
1768 2013-12-04 22:06:35 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|roconnor: And in fact, early clients actually did that for coinbases
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1771 2013-12-04 22:06:48 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|But there's absolutely no reason to be worried about hash collisions.
1772 2013-12-04 22:06:52 <roconnor> right
1773 2013-12-04 22:07:07 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(at least, not unless SHA256 or RIPEMD160 are broken...)
1774 2013-12-04 22:07:12 <devrandom> cfields: hi
1775 2013-12-04 22:07:35 <cfields> devrandom: gitian has a bug where umask is set differently in certain cases. I've hacked up a fix, curious to see if you've looked into it already
1776 2013-12-04 22:07:38 <roconnor> michagogo|cloud: SHA256 AND RIPEMD160 are broken?
1777 2013-12-04 22:07:58 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|roconnor: huh? No, they're not
1778 2013-12-04 22:08:03 <gmaxwell> Though personally if you're going to be cryptoparnoid I'd worry about ECDSA crakers more than second preimages to the hash functions.
1779 2013-12-04 22:08:11 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|^
1780 2013-12-04 22:08:23 <devrandom> cfields: haven't seen reports of that, would be happy to review
1781 2013-12-04 22:08:48 <cfields> devrandom: the setup in question is lxc+precise+i386
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1783 2013-12-04 22:09:36 <cfields> devrandom: the umask is set to 022, which makes its way into ar, which breaks deterministic binaries
1784 2013-12-04 22:09:59 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|cfields: Ah, did you find the source of the bug?
1785 2013-12-04 22:10:18 <devrandom> maybe umask is propagated into the lxc container from the host?
1786 2013-12-04 22:10:26 <cfields> michagogo|cloud: yea. Not sure if it's the only one, but ^^ is affecting me
1787 2013-12-04 22:10:34 <cfields> devrandom: thought so, but my host is 002
1788 2013-12-04 22:11:03 <devrandom> or maybe lxc itself sets it when it spans a shell inside the container
1789 2013-12-04 22:11:05 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|cfields: Did you figure out whether you or Luke had it wrong>
1790 2013-12-04 22:11:09 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|s/>/?/
1791 2013-12-04 22:11:22 <devrandom> s/spans/spawns/ ;)
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1793 2013-12-04 22:11:25 <cfields> devrandom: seems umask is supposed to be set in /etc/login.defs in precise, but it's not there for some reason
1794 2013-12-04 22:12:14 <devrandom> it might make sense for gbuild to set the umask in the generated build script, so it starts from a known value
1795 2013-12-04 22:12:26 <cfields> michagogo|cloud: so far it's looking like gitian is dishing out different results based on the config, so neither was wrong, it just depends which one you consider the standard
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1797 2013-12-04 22:12:31 <cfields> devrandom: yea, that's how i changed it
1798 2013-12-04 22:12:50 <devrandom> I think that's a fair fix
1799 2013-12-04 22:13:03 <cfields> devrandom: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=TRnGuwFN
1800 2013-12-04 22:13:08 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|cfields: Which config?
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1802 2013-12-04 22:13:29 <cfields> devrandom: still a problem though, that happens after the initial tarballs are extracted with the wrong mask.
1803 2013-12-04 22:13:59 <devrandom> I see
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1806 2013-12-04 22:14:25 <cfields> so it really needs to be set in image creation or so, but i'm not sure where to do that
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1808 2013-12-04 22:14:53 <devrandom> wait, gitian doesn't do any untarring, right? it's part of the bitcoin build script?
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1811 2013-12-04 22:15:33 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|oy, would that mean needing to rerun make-base-vm?
1812 2013-12-04 22:15:35 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|:-/
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1814 2013-12-04 22:15:45 <cfields> devrandom: er, sorry, it copies the tarballs in from inputs with the wrong umask
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1816 2013-12-04 22:16:37 <devrandom> for example: tar xzfm miniupnpc-1.6.tar.gz
1817 2013-12-04 22:16:45 <devrandom> that would run after the umask is set, no?
1818 2013-12-04 22:16:46 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|cfields: Tarballs specifically? Or any input file?
1819 2013-12-04 22:16:49 <cfields> devrandom: i'm not sure if that ends up mattering or not, but for purity's sake, seems we'd want to have it the same across the board
1820 2013-12-04 22:17:09 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(guessing the latter)
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1823 2013-12-04 22:17:48 <devrandom> oh, you mean the input files being copied to target by gbuild...
1824 2013-12-04 22:18:32 <cfields> correct
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1830 2013-12-04 22:20:41 <devrandom> cfields: michagogo|cloud: pushed the umask fix
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1832 2013-12-04 22:20:59 <devrandom> let's think about the inputs and deal with it later, I don't think it matters for current users
1833 2013-12-04 22:21:02 <cfields> devrandom: thanks. I'm still comparing my output to Luke-Jr's to see if there are any other edge-cases
1834 2013-12-04 22:21:12 <devrandom> cool
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1838 2013-12-04 22:23:06 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|devrandom: perhaps committed
1839 2013-12-04 22:23:11 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Doesn't appear to be pushed yet
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1841 2013-12-04 22:23:38 <devrandom> michagogo|cloud: sorry, now pushed
1842 2013-12-04 22:26:19 <cfields> devrandom: ok, that fixed the binaries, but the resulting tarball is still borked somehow.
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1847 2013-12-04 22:30:28 <devrandom> mmmm
1848 2013-12-04 22:30:46 <devrandom> cfields: are you generating an output tar?
1849 2013-12-04 22:31:05 <cfields> devrandom: yea, and i've done all of the tricks to make it deterministic.
1850 2013-12-04 22:31:31 <devrandom> there are a lot of attributes in there that could be an issue
1851 2013-12-04 22:31:37 <cfields> it's the same between runs, just not between luke's and mine. The perms are different between them, not sure if there are others
1852 2013-12-04 22:31:47 <devrandom> umask, times, owner, file order
1853 2013-12-04 22:32:34 <cfields> devrandom: FileUtils.mkdir(build_dir)
1854 2013-12-04 22:32:56 <cfields> so the build dir is being created with 022. How can i set the mask for the rb environment?
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1856 2013-12-04 22:33:32 <devrandom> if the build dir is an output for you, it's probably best if you explicitly set the mode yourself in the build script
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1858 2013-12-04 22:33:38 <devrandom> at least for now
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