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  18 2013-12-05 00:39:05 <HaltingState> how do i calculate target from "bits"?
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  25 2013-12-05 00:47:56 <agath> Today I had a talk with an ASIC producer (Switzerland). He said that they are going to build an huge mining center in Asia...
  26 2013-12-05 00:48:10 <agath> and this is the trend that many will follow.
  27 2013-12-05 00:48:23 <agath> Isn't it too dangerous to concentrate so much mining power in such a few places?
  28 2013-12-05 00:49:30 <jakov> how much mining power will he repersent?
  29 2013-12-05 00:49:53 <hno> agath, yes there is dangers in large concentrated patches of hashing power, just as there is dangers in too large pools.
  30 2013-12-05 00:50:05 <agath> he said around 200K chips for the first production and then they would continue to produce more in the future...
  31 2013-12-05 00:50:09 <jakov> mining is very competative
  32 2013-12-05 00:50:42 <jakov> the only foreseeable problems afaik are centralised mining pools and bandwidth usage, which might make miners want to be located physically near
  33 2013-12-05 00:50:52 <jakov> if you have a miner, use p2pool
  34 2013-12-05 00:51:11 <agath> Probably there will be a point where less than a dozen of ASIC producers will manage huge mining datacenters, and most of them will be located in ASIA / China
  35 2013-12-05 00:51:22 <gmaxwell> agath: yes. Perhaps we'll commit suicide that way, who knows.
  36 2013-12-05 00:52:04 <agath> I raised this issue to him, and he said he knows that it poses a risk, but raised his shoulders and said "all the others are going that way, what could I do?"
  37 2013-12-05 00:52:08 <jakov> do large miners have economy of scale advantages over small ones?
  38 2013-12-05 00:52:12 <hno> jakov, bandwidth is not so much an issue in mining today. latency is somewhat, but not much. Reliability of the connection is.
  39 2013-12-05 00:52:13 <gmaxwell> agath: unfortunately a lot of these operations are now self funding with money they got from previously selling hardware in preorder, so they don't even have to raise money anymore and so don't get investor sanity checks.
  40 2013-12-05 00:52:34 <agath> gmaxwell: indeed.
  41 2013-12-05 00:52:54 <gmaxwell> jakov: no, not really. at least not beyond a moderate point. There are scaling disadvantages too. (e.g. waste heat usually becomes more costly to deal with at larger operating scales)
  42 2013-12-05 00:53:04 <upb> agath: you tried to persuade him not to produce those chips with the argument that 'it will hurt the coin' ?:P
  43 2013-12-05 00:53:36 <hno> there is several of these patches of hashing power being built.
  44 2013-12-05 00:53:37 <agath> upb: he knows about the risks, he is not stupid... but it seems that the only thing they are looking at is money/greedy
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  46 2013-12-05 00:53:57 <gmaxwell> upb: the stronger argument is that your investment will be worthless if the centeralization undermines bitcoin. But at least the people I've talked to don't care about risks beyond a few months.
  47 2013-12-05 00:54:18 <gmaxwell> and they're also convinced that they'll be compensated if a state takes over their farm.
  48 2013-12-05 00:54:19 <agath> And of course this method (upb) wouldn't persuade him. As much as it wouldn't persuade you if you were in his skin.
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  54 2013-12-05 00:56:13 <jakov> most centralisations in other sectors i can think of come from economy of scale
  55 2013-12-05 00:56:18 <jakov> which mining doesnt have
  56 2013-12-05 00:56:44 <hno> jakov, it does have clear scale benefits.
  57 2013-12-05 00:57:06 <jakov> what are they?
  58 2013-12-05 00:57:12 <gmaxwell> jakov: there are substantial economies of scale in production of equipment though, which are now being leveraged in a way that produces operating consolidations.
  59 2013-12-05 00:57:54 <jakov> i guess the hope is the producers will sell their asics rather than mine with them
  60 2013-12-05 00:58:05 <gmaxwell> hno: in operating? there aren't really. (and I say this as someone who has been 1% of the network hashrate in not so distant memory)
  61 2013-12-05 00:58:27 <gmaxwell> jakov: even when they're selling them now, they're selling them at prices that make them very risky purchases. I am not adding hardware.
  62 2013-12-05 00:58:33 <hno> jakov, low latency, good leverage for negotiation power agreements. Reduced labor costs in maintaining the equipment. Reduced costs in building the equipment.
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  65 2013-12-05 01:01:33 <gmaxwell> hno: latency is a ~non issue. Good industrial power prices in the US are often only 20% lower than regular residential rates. Maintenance is hard to say, even with dozens of miners failure rates are low enough they're too low for me to estimate.
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  67 2013-12-05 01:02:49 <jakov> the people operating the miners dont have to be those who built them
  68 2013-12-05 01:03:33 <gmaxwell> On the diseconomies of scale, at large scale you have to pay to remove heat where at small scale the waste he is actually useful (e.g. my home is miner heated). Likewise, they can fit into cheap excess residential space.
  69 2013-12-05 01:03:45 <cfields> michagogo|cloud: yep, in addition to the umask fun, there were a few places where date was stored without time
  70 2013-12-05 01:04:03 <gmaxwell> yea, on the mfg side there is a need to operate at a considerable scale.
  71 2013-12-05 01:04:23 <hno> gmaxwell, we are not talking dozens miners, it's many thousands.
  72 2013-12-05 01:04:40 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Aha, so that explains why (again, this was a few months ago when I was first looking at gitian) I was getting non-deterministic deps that were identical run to run
  73 2013-12-05 01:04:56 <jakov> gmaxwell which latitude do you live at? i mean does it ever get warm enough in the summer that miner heat is bad
  74 2013-12-05 01:04:58 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(I mean, there was no determinism necessary, but...)
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  76 2013-12-05 01:06:01 <gmaxwell> jakov: at reasonably low densities (e.g. under 20kw) its easy, at least in mild climates, cool passively with just outside air.
  77 2013-12-05 01:06:40 <cfields> michagogo|cloud: yea. most are harmless doc files that can just be deleted from the tarball. The biggie was qmake itself.
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  79 2013-12-05 01:07:13 <cfields> so you can test all day and it looks fine, but tomorrow it would change
  80 2013-12-05 01:07:15 <gmaxwell> jakov: 37deg.
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  82 2013-12-05 01:08:59 <gmaxwell> re: scale, see those pictures of the asicminer's owners private farm?  they're using $100/liter novec liquid cooling.
  83 2013-12-05 01:09:45 <gmaxwell> just because air cooling would resuit in a loss of density that would drive their realestate costs sky high.
  84 2013-12-05 01:12:28 <hno> gmaxwell, there is other places where space is not such an issue.
  85 2013-12-05 01:12:51 <jakov> they need a place where land and energy are simultaniously cheap
  86 2013-12-05 01:13:13 <jakov> doesnt happen often, usually land gets more expensive as power lines are built to it
  87 2013-12-05 01:13:21 <gmaxwell> This is just what people are actually building.
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 118 2013-12-05 01:40:12 <saracen> Right, fixed directory.io. Getting old now, but I also leaked all electrum passphrases. http://electrum.directory.io/
 119 2013-12-05 01:42:11 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|saracen: I thought electrum passphrases were 12 words?
 120 2013-12-05 01:43:12 <saracen> michagogo|cloud: Yeah, that's what they say. I realised brainwallet.org worked with smaller combinations though, that you can manually enter. I've never used electrum, so I dont know if thats also the case
 121 2013-12-05 01:43:37 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Electrum won't let you do that, I'm pretty sure
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 123 2013-12-05 01:45:03 <saracen> Well, I'm off to bed. Tomorrow I'll try to find out what the min/max seed is from electrum and fix :)
 124 2013-12-05 01:45:13 <saracen> nn!
 125 2013-12-05 01:47:21 <gmaxwell> michagogo|cloud: no, it doesn't force you to behave securely unfortunately.
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 128 2013-12-05 01:48:02 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|gmaxwell: Electrum will allow you to "recover" with a <12-word string?
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 130 2013-12-05 01:49:17 <gmaxwell> michagogo|cloud: yes.
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 132 2013-12-05 01:49:47 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|:-/
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 170 2013-12-05 02:23:30 <rweichler> how much bandwidth does bitcoind typically use?
 171 2013-12-05 02:23:34 <rweichler> per month
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 183 2013-12-05 02:31:59 <Neozonz> Disc!~Neozonz@unaffiliated/neozonz|what does ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED mean and SetBestChain?
 184 2013-12-05 02:32:03 <Neozonz> Disc!~Neozonz@unaffiliated/neozonz|mean
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 191 2013-12-05 02:33:45 <andytoshi> Neozonz|Disc: ProcessBlock processes new blocks as they are published; ACCEPTED means that it passed the validation checks (i.e. the hash is computed correctly and the transactions are valid)
 192 2013-12-05 02:34:00 <andytoshi> SetBestChain means that this latest block is the new head of the longest chain
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 194 2013-12-05 02:34:18 <Neozonz> Disc!~Neozonz@unaffiliated/neozonz|thank you
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 196 2013-12-05 02:34:38 <Neozonz> Disc!~Neozonz@unaffiliated/neozonz|if a miner friends a block and submits it to litecoind, would it show something else?
 197 2013-12-05 02:34:47 <Neozonz> Disc!~Neozonz@unaffiliated/neozonz|or the same info as above
 198 2013-12-05 02:34:55 <Neozonz> Disc!~Neozonz@unaffiliated/neozonz|*friends/finds
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 200 2013-12-05 02:36:23 <Neozonz> Disc!~Neozonz@unaffiliated/neozonz|what does getblocks -1 to 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 limit 500
 201 2013-12-05 02:36:24 <Neozonz> Disc!~Neozonz@unaffiliated/neozonz| mean?
 202 2013-12-05 02:36:49 <andytoshi> i'd assume it's the same, litecoind did not change much
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 204 2013-12-05 02:37:34 <Neozonz> Disc!~Neozonz@unaffiliated/neozonz|i mean if a local miner finds a block and submits it to bitcoind, would it show something else ;p
 205 2013-12-05 02:39:59 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|4:32:59 <Neozonz|Disc> what does getblocks -1 to 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 limit 500 mean?
 206 2013-12-05 02:40:37 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|If I'm not mistaken, it's a request for the first 500 blocks in the chain
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 209 2013-12-05 02:41:14 <Neozonz> Disc!~Neozonz@unaffiliated/neozonz|michagogo|cloud, what for? is it for getwork for miners to work on?
 210 2013-12-05 02:41:24 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|No, IBD
 211 2013-12-05 02:41:24 <Neozonz> Disc!~Neozonz@unaffiliated/neozonz|(sorry it's hard to find this info anywhere...)
 212 2013-12-05 02:41:30 <Neozonz> Disc!~Neozonz@unaffiliated/neozonz|IBD?
 213 2013-12-05 02:41:34 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Neozonz|Disc: it's on the woki
 214 2013-12-05 02:41:36 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Wiki
 215 2013-12-05 02:41:47 <andytoshi> Neozonz|Disc: IBD means "initial block download"
 216 2013-12-05 02:41:48 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|;;bc,wiki getblocks
 217 2013-12-05 02:41:49 <gribble> http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/protocol_specification | Oct 31, 2013 ... 3.1 version; 3.2 verack; 3.3 addr; 3.4 inv; 3.5 getdata; 3.6 notfound; 3.7 getblocks; 3.8 getheaders; 3.9 tx; 3.10 block; 3.11 headers; 3.12 getaddr ...
 218 2013-12-05 02:41:57 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Neozonz|Disc: ^
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 353 2013-12-05 06:07:46 <AlexLibman> I am having a problem with bitcoin-qt crashing.  It originally complained about block-chain corruption, so I tried to reindex, but it crashed some way through.  I tried removing ~/.bitcoin and re-download it, but it still crashes.
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 355 2013-12-05 06:08:00 <AlexLibman> Last ~/.bitcoin/debug.log line: "SetBestChain: new best=[snip lots of hex] height=177016 log2_work=68.036957 tx=2902603 date=2012-04-24 10:01:28 progress=0.049531"
 356 2013-12-05 06:08:26 <AlexLibman> Ubuntu 13.10; 3.11.0-14-generic x86_64; bitcoin-qt v0.8.5.0-gef14a26-beta
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 359 2013-12-05 06:09:43 <AlexLibman> I tried a bunch of stuff, including reinstalling bitcoin-qt and switching to http://ppa.launchpad.net/bitcoin/bitcoin/ubuntu - didn't help.
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 361 2013-12-05 06:11:45 <AlexLibman> It ran while redownloading the chain for several hours, then crashed.  Now it crashes upon start-up.  Two lines of output, the final being "Bus error", and the one before...
 362 2013-12-05 06:11:56 <AlexLibman> "sni-qt/17811" WARN  01:07:34.702 void StatusNotifierItemFactory::connectToSnw() Invalid interface to SNW_SERVICE
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 369 2013-12-05 06:18:22 <phantomcircuit> AlexLibman, what's the failure?
 370 2013-12-05 06:18:25 <phantomcircuit> hmm weird
 371 2013-12-05 06:18:38 <phantomcircuit> that's some weird qt stuff
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 373 2013-12-05 06:20:34 <kjj> try -reindex
 374 2013-12-05 06:21:42 <kjj> my guess is that your index is corrupt and is pointing outside the block file.
 375 2013-12-05 06:22:03 <kjj> ahh, shit.  you get this while trying to reindex
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 377 2013-12-05 06:23:37 <kjj> mv your index files out and use -loadblock
 378 2013-12-05 06:24:34 <kjj> also, double check your hardware.  make sure your CPU isn't overheating or overclocked, and run memtest86
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 381 2013-12-05 06:25:53 <fooledbyprimes> quick newbie question:  I just want to download the current block-chain for fun.  possible? thanks.
 382 2013-12-05 06:26:28 <kjj> fooledbyprimes: grab the torrent if you don't need to be totally current
 383 2013-12-05 06:27:19 <fooledbyprimes> so is that going to grab a binary file… compressed probably, eh?
 384 2013-12-05 06:28:10 <kjj> not compressed, no.  but yes, a binary file.  format is simple, and google-able
 385 2013-12-05 06:28:48 <fooledbyprimes> righteous…!   I'll look around tomorrow.  Thanks.
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 389 2013-12-05 06:35:29 <AlexLibman> I've tried -reindex, tried deleting the whole ~/.bitcoin, still crashes before becoming usable.
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 392 2013-12-05 06:36:38 <kjj> pull the previous release, or check your hardware
 393 2013-12-05 06:36:49 <AlexLibman> Now bitcoin-qt crashes immediately without arguments, or after a while without arguments.
 394 2013-12-05 06:38:55 <AlexLibman> Errr, or after a while with "-reindex"
 395 2013-12-05 06:39:18 <AlexLibman> Hmm, I think previous ubuntu version (raring) was 0.8.1-1, the current I just upgrated to (saucy) is 0.8.5-1, and that's what started crashing.  I then switched to the PPA version, same problem.  Should I go back to 0.8.1-1?
 396 2013-12-05 06:39:40 <gmaxwell> when you run it from the commandline what message are you getting when it crashes?
 397 2013-12-05 06:39:59 <AlexLibman> Sometimes just "Bus error".
 398 2013-12-05 06:40:50 <gmaxwell> meh, I'd memtest86x the machine, I've not seen anyone else reporting similar symptoms.
 399 2013-12-05 06:41:02 <AlexLibman> And sometimes that other Qt message I pasted above.  At first I've wondered if maybe it's because I'm using such a stripped-down desktop, running i3wm, with most optional stuff uninstalled, but that wouldn't explain the timing of the crashes.
 400 2013-12-05 06:41:18 <AlexLibman> Thanks for the tip, I'll do that sometime soon.
 401 2013-12-05 06:41:38 <kjj> bus error rarely means there is an actual bus error, but in your case...
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 403 2013-12-05 06:42:04 <justanotheruser> Is there a complete bitcoin library for c?
 404 2013-12-05 06:42:16 <gmaxwell> bus error is usually caused by crazy vm problems like trying to dereference a nonsense pointer, or — outside of x86, unaligned access.
 405 2013-12-05 06:42:33 <gmaxwell> justanotheruser: What are you trying to accomplish?
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 407 2013-12-05 06:43:33 <kjj> I presume that some other error would pop up if you tried to read outside of a memmapped file.
 408 2013-12-05 06:44:18 <kjj> and I also sorta presume that bitcoind checks the bounds first, rather than just taking the index's word for it
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 411 2013-12-05 06:46:33 <gmaxwell> erp. running a salvage wallet on a tn wallet here took the balance from 193k to 150 btc. 0_o
 412 2013-12-05 06:47:08 <kjj> well...  was the 193k real, or in error?
 413 2013-12-05 06:49:42 <gmaxwell> Real.
 414 2013-12-05 06:50:02 <gmaxwell> Amusing that it got a couple though.
 415 2013-12-05 06:50:20 <kjj> did it miss a key, or many keys?  was the wallet actually corrupt?
 416 2013-12-05 06:50:55 <gmaxwell> many keys, wasn't corrupt as far as I knew, I just wanted to relearn all the txn from the blockchain for testing.
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 418 2013-12-05 06:52:03 <kjj> odd.  salvage looked like a pretty simple brute-force operation.
 419 2013-12-05 06:53:58 <gmaxwell> yea, well, it's reproducable in any case, so ... onto the list it goes.
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 424 2013-12-05 06:56:38 <imton> guys
 425 2013-12-05 06:56:39 <imton> hope you are doing well
 426 2013-12-05 06:56:39 <imton> what's the current state of tx replacement?
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 437 2013-12-05 07:05:43 <gmaxwell> ... and importwallet's rescan didn't work.
 438 2013-12-05 07:05:49 <gmaxwell> after the imports it says
 439 2013-12-05 07:05:50 <gmaxwell> 2013-12-05 06:55:35 Rescanning last 150263 blocks
 440 2013-12-05 07:06:03 <gmaxwell> but then doesn't appear to rescan and shows a balance of 0.
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 442 2013-12-05 07:06:50 <kjj> doh.  bug in rescan then, and maybe not in salvage?
 443 2013-12-05 07:08:16 <gmaxwell> yea, maybe... trying a manaul rescan now on the imported wallet, it seemed to be finding things.
 444 2013-12-05 07:08:31 <gmaxwell> (manual rescan on the salvaged wallet did nothing useful)
 445 2013-12-05 07:08:43 <kjj> just out of curiosity, on the salvage, how many items did the dbenv.Salvage call find?
 446 2013-12-05 07:08:50 <gmaxwell> a kazillion
 447 2013-12-05 07:08:54 <gmaxwell> 28,000 or something like that.
 448 2013-12-05 07:09:13 <gmaxwell> 2013-12-05 06:14:18 Salvage(aggressive) found 23314 records
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 450 2013-12-05 07:09:55 <kjj> get any skipping messages?
 451 2013-12-05 07:10:17 <gmaxwell> nope.
 452 2013-12-05 07:10:36 <gmaxwell> kjj: if you actually want to screw with it, I can give you the wallet.
 453 2013-12-05 07:10:57 <gmaxwell> (I'm chasing other things)
 454 2013-12-05 07:11:05 <gmaxwell> well, lets see if the import has the same issue.
 455 2013-12-05 07:11:37 <kjj> I don't have tools for a wallet dissection, and I'm going to bed soon (like 10 minutes ago soon)
 456 2013-12-05 07:11:42 <gmaxwell> I don't think it does— the imports rescan appears to be finding a lot more stuff.
 457 2013-12-05 07:11:59 <gmaxwell> yea, well, not a priorty, its on my list of freaky stuff.
 458 2013-12-05 07:12:43 <kjj> well, good to know that the keys are ending up in the new wallet
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 460 2013-12-05 07:13:13 <kjj> having to work around missing transactions is a lot less stressful than working around missing keys
 461 2013-12-05 07:13:41 <gmaxwell> well I think the keys were _not_ ending up in the wallet in the salvage.
 462 2013-12-05 07:14:15 <gmaxwell> because rescan didn't fix it; but I did an import and though the import's own rescan didn't work a rescan after startup appears to be working
 463 2013-12-05 07:14:25 <gmaxwell> (taking forever because its a huge wallet, and I'm running in valgrind)
 464 2013-12-05 07:14:45 <kjj> oh, you actually imported the keys.  I thought you were importing a dummy to trigger that rescan
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 473 2013-12-05 07:22:51 <kjj> very strange.  by the time it gets around to iterating the old data, any problems should cause it to exit
 474 2013-12-05 07:24:17 <JyZyXEL> http://i.imgur.com/YOmDuDV.jpg
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 533 2013-12-05 08:35:08 <null> I know this isn't really -dev related, but what's your guys opinion on zerocoin?
 534 2013-12-05 08:35:37 <null> or is there maybe a discussion on bitcointalk you can point out?
 535 2013-12-05 08:35:51 <_ingsoc> What aspect are you talking about?
 536 2013-12-05 08:36:56 <null> _ingsoc: well, the whole concept of anonymite. do you think bitcoin will implement anonymite someday?
 537 2013-12-05 08:37:08 <null> *anonymity
 538 2013-12-05 08:39:05 <_ingsoc> Probably not the way Zerocoin wants to.
 539 2013-12-05 08:39:12 <_ingsoc> But who knows? Anything is possible.
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 541 2013-12-05 08:39:39 <null> yeah, i don't really care about the way :) just the concept
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 543 2013-12-05 08:40:29 <null> _ingsoc: what's the flaw with the zerocoin way? i just read the authors blog post, not yet the paper (maybe i should come back later :)
 544 2013-12-05 08:41:00 <null> they claimed to have cut the zero proof size dramatically... is bloat still an issue?
 545 2013-12-05 08:41:24 <_ingsoc> I can't speak on behalf of current Bitcoin devs.
 546 2013-12-05 08:42:02 <null> i'm sure all this has been asked before. so if there's some log of this sort of discussion (ML, bitcoitalk, irclogs) i'd be happy to go through it instead of asking all over again
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 595 2013-12-05 09:36:29 <BlueMattBot> Project Bitcoin build #495: FAILURE in 43 min: http://jenkins.bluematt.me/job/Bitcoin/495/
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 625 2013-12-05 10:11:05 <W0rmDr1nk> directory.io does not have all adresses or does it ?
 626 2013-12-05 10:11:10 <W0rmDr1nk> I thought there is more
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 677 2013-12-05 11:09:49 <stonecoldpat> guys, code wise whats the best approach to find cTransaction using the hash id?
 678 2013-12-05 11:10:08 <stonecoldpat> so if I did an RPC call with a tx hash - it would return the cTX object (or json) or whatever
 679 2013-12-05 11:10:35 <stonecoldpat> in bitcoind
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 740 2013-12-05 12:06:20 <stonecoldpat> never mind!! found out (getrawtransaction <hashid>)
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 742 2013-12-05 12:06:35 <freewil> stonecoldpat, FYI you need to have the fullindex config enabled
 743 2013-12-05 12:06:59 <freewil> for that to work with non-wallet addresses
 744 2013-12-05 12:07:31 <freewil> `-txindex` is the cli option
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 752 2013-12-05 12:22:38 <abishek> could someone explain what the method `addmultisigaddress` of bitcoind does and what is the intended parameter to be passed. I am kinda confused with what the doc means @ https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Original_Bitcoin_client/API_Calls_list
 753 2013-12-05 12:24:35 <kinlo> abishek: you know what multisign exactly does?
 754 2013-12-05 12:25:37 <kinlo> or what a multisign address is?
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 759 2013-12-05 12:29:12 <abishek> kinlo, no, can you advice where I can get the info regarding it
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 762 2013-12-05 12:31:05 <abishek> kinlo, am not sure what the Parameters ( 	<nrequired> <'["key,"key"]'> ) means. I do understand 2 parameters but can't understand the format or type that it takes
 763 2013-12-05 12:31:10 <kinlo> short version: you create a bitcoin adres out of multiple public/private keys, and require X signatures in order to get the money spend
 764 2013-12-05 12:31:37 <kinlo> so imagine we are 3 friends and want 2 of them to agree to spend the money
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 766 2013-12-05 12:32:19 <abishek> ok
 767 2013-12-05 12:32:20 <kinlo> we all 3 create an address, give eachother the public keys, we say 2 signatures required, 3 public keys, and we all have the same multisign address created
 768 2013-12-05 12:32:33 <kinlo> so that would be nrequired=2 and 3 keys
 769 2013-12-05 12:32:48 <abishek> ok
 770 2013-12-05 12:33:22 <abishek> so, the addmultisignaddress is similar, but attaches to an account
 771 2013-12-05 12:33:32 <kinlo> its part of the flow
 772 2013-12-05 12:34:07 <abishek> when would one use an account?
 773 2013-12-05 12:34:41 <kinlo> dunno, never used the accounts stuff over api
 774 2013-12-05 12:34:58 <abishek> ok
 775 2013-12-05 12:35:04 <kinlo> you can make bitcoind basicly put funds in several different accounts
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 777 2013-12-05 12:35:10 <kinlo> but I just do that in my own code
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 779 2013-12-05 12:36:20 <abishek> ok, what does a node on the api mean?  how does a node help?
 780 2013-12-05 12:37:01 <abishek> kinlo, i found this about accounts -> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Accounts_explained
 781 2013-12-05 12:37:35 <kinlo> good
 782 2013-12-05 12:37:51 <abishek> its basically to categories the addresses, thats all
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 785 2013-12-05 12:38:19 <kinlo> yes, that's the definition of an account
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 787 2013-12-05 12:39:53 <abishek> there are some cons to using it that is defined as well.
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 789 2013-12-05 12:40:40 <abishek> i still need to understand what is meant by node in bitcoind
 790 2013-12-05 12:40:49 <abishek> and how does it benefit/help
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 793 2013-12-05 12:44:36 <freewil> AKA peer
 794 2013-12-05 12:44:45 <freewil> the bitcoin network is made up of nodes
 795 2013-12-05 12:44:47 <freewil> or peers
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 797 2013-12-05 12:45:05 <freewil> they all connect to each other and transmit transaction data
 798 2013-12-05 12:45:17 <abishek> freewil. what is the benefit of adding nodes to the bitcoind conf?
 799 2013-12-05 12:45:42 <freewil> it's not necessary - but you you may have a trusted list of nodes that you want to connect to
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 802 2013-12-05 12:45:57 <freewil> or one other node that you want to make sure it connects to
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 805 2013-12-05 12:46:49 <freewil> or you just know of a highly-connected node on the network and want to make sure you're connected to it to be able to receive/transmit transactions as quickly as possible
 806 2013-12-05 12:48:03 <freewil> otherwise your node will be bootstrapped via dns and download a list of peers from other nodes
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 808 2013-12-05 12:49:11 <abishek> ok, when a bitcoin node is created it downloads all the blocks, is there a way to share them across nodes? if I have 6 nodes on my network, is there a way to share them instead of downloading them again for each node?
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 811 2013-12-05 12:50:14 <freewil> well you probably dont need to run 6 different nodes
 812 2013-12-05 12:50:25 <edcba> why not ?
 813 2013-12-05 12:50:28 <freewil> you could just run one and connect to it via JSON-RPC from the other ones
 814 2013-12-05 12:50:33 <edcba> anyway you can just copy the block files
 815 2013-12-05 12:51:03 <edcba> freewil: that would mean sharing the whole wallet
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 817 2013-12-05 12:51:14 <freewil> that's true
 818 2013-12-05 12:51:30 <edcba> maybe for security he wants to avoid that
 819 2013-12-05 12:51:45 <freewil> you can have just one external node that connects to a bunch of peers and have the others use just `-connect`
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 821 2013-12-05 12:51:52 <abishek> edcba, any specific docs on how to move block files? I basically need to sync the blocks
 822 2013-12-05 12:52:14 <edcba> anyway just use some empty client, sync it to network
 823 2013-12-05 12:52:23 <edcba> then copy it everywhere without wallet.dat
 824 2013-12-05 12:52:31 <edcba> should be enough i think
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 827 2013-12-05 12:53:27 <abishek> where are the blocks actually stored? need the location for both Windows and Linux
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 829 2013-12-05 12:54:33 <freewil> abishek, if you have a node and only want to connect it to your 5 other nodes you can set `-listen=0` `-dnsseed=0` and `-addnode` 5 times
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 831 2013-12-05 12:55:09 <abishek> i am working on a bitcoin based application and we want the bitcoin daemons with no internet access to keep them safe where we will have all the addresses created and one extra node that keeps the blocks synced
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 833 2013-12-05 12:55:58 <abishek> and only that block will sync the blocks from the internet
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 836 2013-12-05 12:56:58 <freewil> ok so for the internal ones that generate addressees... set `-listen=0`, `-dnsseed=0`
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 839 2013-12-05 12:57:23 <freewil> then no nodes can connect to it (listen=0)
 840 2013-12-05 12:57:30 <freewil> and it cant find any other nodes (dnsseed=0)
 841 2013-12-05 12:57:56 <freewil> then just do -connect=<external_node_ip>
 842 2013-12-05 12:58:28 <freewil> so it will only connect to that single external node
 843 2013-12-05 12:58:46 <abishek> frewil, perfect, now it makes sense to me
 844 2013-12-05 12:58:58 <freewil> so you will basically have a bitcoin firewall
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 846 2013-12-05 12:59:26 <abishek> right, but there is no way to lookup addresses from the external_node right?
 847 2013-12-05 13:00:06 <abishek> this way, i don't need to copy the blocks as well right?
 848 2013-12-05 13:00:31 <freewil> no you dont need to copy them manually, they will sync normally
 849 2013-12-05 13:00:37 <abishek> cool
 850 2013-12-05 13:01:50 <freewil> for the internal ones you probably want to set upnp=0 as well
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 853 2013-12-05 13:02:52 <freewil> this is basically what you want for the internal ones, except the testnet part
 854 2013-12-05 13:02:53 <abishek> ok, where can i find what is a basic hardware requirement for hosting a bitcoin daemon and also  any benchmarks on the performance of bitcoind maintaining a million addresses
 855 2013-12-05 13:02:53 <freewil> https://github.com/freewil/bitcoin-testnet-box/blob/master/2/bitcoin.conf
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 857 2013-12-05 13:03:27 <abishek> ok
 858 2013-12-05 13:04:38 <abishek> the reason i am asking is because I would be running multiple instances of the daemon on different ports, so just wanted to know how much of a RAM would be required to do so
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 862 2013-12-05 13:07:09 <freewil> i would recommend a gig
 863 2013-12-05 13:07:27 <freewil> i dont know if there are any official numbers
 864 2013-12-05 13:08:12 <abishek> freewil, in ur experience with 1 gig, how many instances of bitcoin daemon can be run?
 865 2013-12-05 13:09:06 <freewil> 2 would probably be fine
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 867 2013-12-05 13:09:24 <abishek> ok
 868 2013-12-05 13:10:45 <abishek> if i ran bitcoind on port 4000 and port 4001, this will create 2 wallets right?
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 871 2013-12-05 13:11:58 <abishek> consider i am passing 2 different username and password for both these instances
 872 2013-12-05 13:12:51 <freewil> you will need to specify different -datadir for them so they dont conflict
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 874 2013-12-05 13:13:26 <abishek> oh, so they will be individual nodes too is it?
 875 2013-12-05 13:13:31 <freewil> yes
 876 2013-12-05 13:13:51 <freewil> and they will create two different copies of the blockchain also which you probably dont want
 877 2013-12-05 13:14:03 <freewil> but you can use symbolic links i think to prevent that
 878 2013-12-05 13:14:06 <abishek> ok
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 880 2013-12-05 13:14:38 <freewil> ;;google bitcoin datadir symlink
 881 2013-12-05 13:14:38 <gribble> Securing your wallet - Bitcoin: <http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/securing_your_wallet>; Moving the Bitcoin Folder from App Data - Bitcoin StackExchange: <http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/3822/moving-the-bitcoin-folder-from-app-data>; Resolve path to allow for Bitcoin directory to be a symlink by mcdee ...: <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2590>
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 883 2013-12-05 13:15:32 <freewil> im not sure that is going to work though
 884 2013-12-05 13:15:59 <freewil> if you use a symlink for the blockchain they will both be trying to write to the same datadir
 885 2013-12-05 13:17:06 <abishek> yes
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 889 2013-12-05 13:19:38 <abishek> there is only provision to choose config directory and data directory and not for wallet.dat
 890 2013-12-05 13:20:20 <freewil> yeah, wallet.dat is stored within the datadir
 891 2013-12-05 13:20:28 <freewil> it's a well-known shortcoming of the current version
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 894 2013-12-05 13:22:31 <stonecoldpat> freewill: thank you, that explains why i cant get older transactions (very recent ones seem to be ok)
 895 2013-12-05 13:23:15 <stonecoldpat> freewill: also, it asks to reindex with -txindex, so is the best approach to do ./bitcoind -reindex -txindex?
 896 2013-12-05 13:24:14 <abishek> what if I created a folder x and then created the symlink folders and files except for wallet.dat and then started the daemon with datadir=x. Will this be a problem as well?
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 898 2013-12-05 13:24:35 <freewil> probably - note that it is going to have to rescan the entire blockchain from the beginning so you will be waiting a few hours
 899 2013-12-05 13:24:44 <stonecoldpat> yeah
 900 2013-12-05 13:24:54 <stonecoldpat> going to do it later tonight before i go home - so its ready in the morning
 901 2013-12-05 13:25:01 <stonecoldpat> would that be the right command ?
 902 2013-12-05 13:25:22 <stonecoldpat> wonder how much storage itll require as well
 903 2013-12-05 13:25:52 <jaakkos> my full node suddenly puts out much less traffic than before recently http://www.niksula.cs.hut.fi/~jvsalo/bitcoind.jpg
 904 2013-12-05 13:25:56 <freewil> stonecoldpat, im not sure, i assumed -txindex would imply -reindex
 905 2013-12-05 13:26:01 <jaakkos> anyone else noticing something like this?
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 908 2013-12-05 13:26:59 <freewil> stonecoldpat, although it couldnt hurt to do both - im sure it will tell you if it's a problem
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 918 2013-12-05 13:31:05 <abishek> freewil, am not sure if what you said was an answer to my question? "what if I created a folder x and then created the symlink folders and files except for wallet.dat and then started the daemon with datadir=x. Will this be a problem as well?"
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 920 2013-12-05 13:31:54 <freewil> abishek, i think you will still have the same problem i pointed out before
 921 2013-12-05 13:32:08 <freewil> that when they are receiving new blocks they will both be trying to update the same db
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 926 2013-12-05 13:35:34 <abishek> so there is actually no other way to have multiple wallets on a system without have different block directories
 927 2013-12-05 13:36:26 <abishek> what is the harm in both instances updating the same db
 928 2013-12-05 13:36:44 <abishek> that wallet is anyways gonna be different
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 930 2013-12-05 13:37:17 <freewil> well you cant have two processes writing to the same file at once
 931 2013-12-05 13:37:23 <freewil> that is how you get corrupted data
 932 2013-12-05 13:37:36 <abishek> ya, thats true
 933 2013-12-05 13:37:45 <abishek> i need some sleep
 934 2013-12-05 13:37:47 <freewil> im pretty sure it wont let you do that though because bitcoind uses a .lock file
 935 2013-12-05 13:37:57 <abishek> yes
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 939 2013-12-05 13:42:37 <abishek> so if my external_ip is on the same network as that of the other internal nodes, then the time taken to get the blocks synced will be faster right compared to what it downloads from the internet (about 12-14 GB)
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 941 2013-12-05 13:44:03 <freewil> yes, verifying blocks/transactions can also be  another bottleneck
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 945 2013-12-05 13:44:24 <freewil> if you are concerned about how long the initial sync is you could set checklevel=0
 946 2013-12-05 13:44:33 <freewil> ...for the internal nodes for the intial sync
 947 2013-12-05 13:44:48 <freewil> then restart them to turn it back on for better security
 948 2013-12-05 13:45:42 <abishek> ok
 949 2013-12-05 13:46:46 <abishek> if my internal nodes have access to only on single external node, will receiving and sending payments be a problem or will it work through the external node automatically?
 950 2013-12-05 13:47:47 <freewil> it'll work fine
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 952 2013-12-05 13:48:09 <freewil> the external node will tell the internal ones about new blocks/transactions
 953 2013-12-05 13:48:20 <freewil> and the internal ones will broadcast to the external node
 954 2013-12-05 13:48:28 <abishek> ok
 955 2013-12-05 13:48:33 <abishek> sounds good
 956 2013-12-05 13:48:36 <freewil> and the external node will broadcast out to the rest of the network
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 958 2013-12-05 13:49:52 <abishek> ok, i have another question. are the payments in bitcoin mutual? if I address-A sends a payment to address-B, does it get directly deposited to address-B or should address-B accept it?
 959 2013-12-05 13:50:15 <bitanarchy> I want to share the .bitcoin map with multiple linux accounts and wallets... how to do this?
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 961 2013-12-05 13:50:31 <pigeons> abishek: there arent "accounts" like that for being deposited in in bitcoin
 962 2013-12-05 13:51:04 <pigeons> but in the common use case user B does not have to "accept" it to be able to spend it
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 964 2013-12-05 13:51:17 <abishek> so how does payments work in bitcoin?
 965 2013-12-05 13:51:20 <graingert> abishek: if money is assigned to you by someone else
 966 2013-12-05 13:51:26 <freewil> in fact you cant reject a payment
 967 2013-12-05 13:51:28 <graingert> abishek: then it's assigned to you
 968 2013-12-05 13:51:38 <freewil> if someone sends money to an address then it gets assigned whether you want the money or not
 969 2013-12-05 13:51:43 <graingert> abishek: tautology yo
 970 2013-12-05 13:52:38 <abishek> ok, so if I want say 4 BTC and the sender sends only 2.5 BTC, how should one deal with it?
 971 2013-12-05 13:53:25 <graingert> abishek: don't send the product, keep the money
 972 2013-12-05 13:53:33 <bitanarchy> can i set a custom wallet location for bitcoind ?
 973 2013-12-05 13:53:34 <abishek> :-)
 974 2013-12-05 13:53:38 <graingert> abishek: or send the money to their refund address
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 976 2013-12-05 13:54:27 <abishek> ok
 977 2013-12-05 13:55:16 <abishek> are there public API to purchase BTC's?
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 979 2013-12-05 13:55:45 <pigeons> yeah companies that sell BTC have public APIs
 980 2013-12-05 13:56:01 <pigeons> check #bitcoin-otc they can tell you
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 982 2013-12-05 13:57:18 <pigeons> p2p apis integrating traditional government money payments are all still, well not in use
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1000 2013-12-05 14:07:32 <bitanarchy> is it possible to transmit transactions on tor but retrieve all other info directly from the nodes?
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1023 2013-12-05 14:27:06 <jgarzik> mornin'
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1031 2013-12-05 14:32:47 <TD> morning jgarzik
1032 2013-12-05 14:33:07 * jgarzik is trying to find hard facts on the China news
1033 2013-12-05 14:33:27 <jgarzik> "The People’s Bank of China said ... payment companies can’t give pricing in Bitcoin ..." - bloomberg
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1035 2013-12-05 14:33:31 <Apocalyptic> would be helpfull
1036 2013-12-05 14:33:49 <Apocalyptic> is that related to : <dys> well, to translate from the article: "private use of bitcoin is still allowed, but not exchanging bitcoin for yuan"
1037 2013-12-05 14:33:53 * jgarzik wonders if that means "cannot sell and receive BTC" or simply "must price in RMB, regardless of payment method"
1038 2013-12-05 14:34:23 <jgarzik> Not sure that's true, as BTC China is still alive, but must register
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1040 2013-12-05 14:34:26 <Belxjander> yuan can buy bitcoin but bitcoin can't buy yuan ???
1041 2013-12-05 14:34:42 <Apocalyptic> TD, have you seen http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/China-verbietet-Banken-den-Handel-mit-Bitcoins-2061083.html ?
1042 2013-12-05 14:34:54 <jgarzik> For RMB/BTC exchanges, "you must register" is what I got
1043 2013-12-05 14:35:10 <jgarzik> it sounded legal for buying for speculation
1044 2013-12-05 14:35:31 <TD> frankly i'm amazed bitcoin in china actually made it so far already
1045 2013-12-05 14:35:51 <TD> i was expecting that one day we'd read that port 8333 was blocked at the border there, and that'd be the end of bitcoin in china
1046 2013-12-05 14:36:00 <TD> and it'd just be a dark hole where we never heard about anything happening
1047 2013-12-05 14:36:21 <TD> market sentiment seems to be right now that trading in china will continue, that there isn't really a "ban" in the sense that btc-china will get shut down
1048 2013-12-05 14:36:39 <TD> but i mean, it could happen literally any day now. china could easily end up like the USA, with hardly any easy way to buy/sell coins.
1049 2013-12-05 14:36:57 <Luke-Jr> TD: buying and selling bitcoins is pretty easy in the USA..
1050 2013-12-05 14:37:02 <jgarzik> indeed
1051 2013-12-05 14:37:14 <TD> yes, very. you can use coinbase or ......
1052 2013-12-05 14:37:15 <TD> or what?
1053 2013-12-05 14:37:28 <TD> wire to bitstamp? how long do you think non-US exchanges will allow americans for?
1054 2013-12-05 14:37:33 <jgarzik> CampBX works great here, as do localbitcoins
1055 2013-12-05 14:37:39 <Luke-Jr> Coinbase works great here
1056 2013-12-05 14:37:53 <TD> CampBX is, if i understand correctly, one guy who doesn't even have a business address and which makes up a tiny fraction of world trade.
1057 2013-12-05 14:38:01 <TD> it's not even clear to me CampBX's bank knows what they're doing
1058 2013-12-05 14:38:39 <jgarzik> TD, your qualification was "easy way to buy/sell coins"
1059 2013-12-05 14:38:40 <TD> the US is in real danger of all the eggs ending up in the coinbase basket. then it's just one C&D or bank executives decision away from becoming only local trading
1060 2013-12-05 14:38:59 <TD> i said "hardly any way" which is correct - there's one way.   (unless we count local trading as easy)
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1067 2013-12-05 14:41:08 <Luke-Jr> BTCChina is 1 exchange. Coinbase is 1 exchange. By that logic, China is already "hardly any way"
1068 2013-12-05 14:41:15 <Luke-Jr> easy*
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1070 2013-12-05 14:41:30 <TD> coinbase isn't an exchange is it
1071 2013-12-05 14:41:51 <TD> afaik the only exchange in the usa is campbx
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1077 2013-12-05 14:43:45 <sturles> Kraken is in the USA as well.
1078 2013-12-05 14:44:28 <sturles> (Which is the main reason why I don't use it.  All exchanges operating in the U.S. has got in serious trouble at some time.)
1079 2013-12-05 14:44:28 <TD> ah that's true
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1087 2013-12-05 14:51:41 <Diablo-D3> [09:35:15] <TD> the US is in real danger of all the eggs ending up in the coinbase basket. then it's just one C&D or bank executives decision away from becoming only local trading
1088 2013-12-05 14:51:44 <Diablo-D3> did mtgox go under?
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1090 2013-12-05 14:51:59 <TD> you can't get dollars out of mt gox, right?
1091 2013-12-05 14:52:07 <Diablo-D3> I thought you could?
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1093 2013-12-05 14:52:38 <TD> don't think so. besides, basically all non-US exchanges are going to terminate accounts of americans in the next year or two. FATCA enforcement is due to start in the spring of 2014, i think
1094 2013-12-05 14:52:41 <TD> unless it gets pushed back again
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1097 2013-12-05 14:53:13 <Diablo-D3> TD: so I better start selling my bitcoins then
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1099 2013-12-05 14:54:21 <TD> well. keep a very close eye on the situation at least.
1100 2013-12-05 14:54:43 <Diablo-D3> oh well, there goes bitcoin =/
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1102 2013-12-05 14:54:54 <TD> the history of attempts to reform the financial system in the USA is littered with skeletons nobody remembers
1103 2013-12-05 14:55:03 <TD> (well and in most other places too)
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1112 2013-12-05 14:59:17 <abishek> where is the private key of a wallet stored?
1113 2013-12-05 14:59:40 <freewil> my company has been doing some large OTC trades
1114 2013-12-05 14:59:49 <freewil> keep your #bitcoin-otc account in good standing ;)
1115 2013-12-05 14:59:53 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Hey, 0.8.6rc1 just got tagged
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1117 2013-12-05 15:00:12 <wumpus> michagogo|cloud: yep
1118 2013-12-05 15:00:56 <travish> abishek: for bitcoin-qt its just in the wallet.dat, no?
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1120 2013-12-05 15:01:47 <wumpus> yes, wallet.dat
1121 2013-12-05 15:02:08 <travish> which is at ~/Library/Application Support/Bitcoin/wallet.dat (on osx at least)
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1123 2013-12-05 15:03:23 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: Ah, you tagged it?
1124 2013-12-05 15:03:30 * michagogo cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|thought gavin did all the tags
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1126 2013-12-05 15:04:00 <wumpus> michagogo|cloud: usually he does
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1129 2013-12-05 15:04:33 <abishek> does the private key automatically get generated for a wallet when it is created?
1130 2013-12-05 15:04:39 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|abishek: yes
1131 2013-12-05 15:04:54 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|error: no signature found
1132 2013-12-05 15:04:54 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|error: could not verify the tag 'v0.8.6rc1'
1133 2013-12-05 15:05:05 <abishek> ok, is there a way to access this private key?
1134 2013-12-05 15:05:13 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|abishek: yes
1135 2013-12-05 15:05:16 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|but first, why?
1136 2013-12-05 15:05:20 <wumpus> michagogo|cloud: where do you get that?
1137 2013-12-05 15:05:30 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: git tag -v v0.8.6rc1
1138 2013-12-05 15:05:36 <wumpus> I'm doing a gitian build right now
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1140 2013-12-05 15:05:41 <wumpus> seems to work fine
1141 2013-12-05 15:05:41 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|compare to git tag -v v0.8.5
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1143 2013-12-05 15:05:54 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: the tag object isn't signed
1144 2013-12-05 15:06:10 <wumpus> michagogo|cloud: does it need to be? I just follow the doc/release-process.md
1145 2013-12-05 15:06:21 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Well, tags tend to be
1146 2013-12-05 15:06:53 <abishek> michagogo|cloud, is the wallet passphrase the private key of the wallet?
1147 2013-12-05 15:06:54 <wumpus> is it still possible to change that?
1148 2013-12-05 15:07:07 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: see git help tag
1149 2013-12-05 15:07:09 <wumpus> I don't know anything about git tagging
1150 2013-12-05 15:07:13 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|abishek: no
1151 2013-12-05 15:07:19 <wumpus> yeah, never mind, I'll keep it like this
1152 2013-12-05 15:07:35 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|The passphrase is used to derive the key for encrypting the wallet
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1154 2013-12-05 15:07:47 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|It's unrelated to the bitcoin keypairs
1155 2013-12-05 15:07:53 <abishek> ok
1156 2013-12-05 15:08:02 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: I guess it's not the end of the world, for an rc
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1158 2013-12-05 15:08:26 <wumpus> right, it's not
1159 2013-12-05 15:08:31 <abishek> michagogo|cloud, so how does one protect the wallet?
1160 2013-12-05 15:08:32 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(release tags definitely should be signed, though...)
1161 2013-12-05 15:08:41 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|abishek: well, by encrypting it
1162 2013-12-05 15:08:44 <wumpus> if it were that important it would be in the release process
1163 2013-12-05 15:08:48 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|and keeping the actual file safe
1164 2013-12-05 15:09:24 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Wait, what?
1165 2013-12-05 15:09:32 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|How come release-process says to use git tag -a?
1166 2013-12-05 15:09:56 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|.ns info gavinandresen
1167 2013-12-05 15:09:58 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|erm
1168 2013-12-05 15:10:59 <wumpus> maybe submit a pull to improve it
1169 2013-12-05 15:11:33 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Maybe I'll do that
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1190 2013-12-05 15:25:05 <abishek> michagogo|cloud, what are the different way to protect the wallet file when you work with the bitcoin daemon programatically?
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1208 2013-12-05 15:42:24 <abishek> how can i export and import a wallet programatically?
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1210 2013-12-05 15:43:25 <jgarzik> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1s5hzl/my_human_translation_of_the_china_regulation/
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1212 2013-12-05 15:43:37 <wumpus> abishek: use the dumpwallet/exportwallet commands
1213 2013-12-05 15:43:46 <wumpus> eh, dumpwallet/importwallet
1214 2013-12-05 15:45:04 <abishek> wumpus, are these methods accessible from jsonrpc?
1215 2013-12-05 15:45:15 <wumpus> yes
1216 2013-12-05 15:45:21 <abishek> ok, cool
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1219 2013-12-05 15:47:34 <abishek> wumpus, no method exists `dumpwallet`
1220 2013-12-05 15:47:48 <wumpus> hm, it may have been introduced in master
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1222 2013-12-05 15:48:40 <abishek> how does blockchain perform import and export of wallets?
1223 2013-12-05 15:49:01 <xeroc> yep
1224 2013-12-05 15:49:09 <xeroc> advanced settings ..
1225 2013-12-05 15:49:22 <wumpus> I'm not making it up at least :p : https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/rpcdump.cpp#L129
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1240 2013-12-05 16:05:54 <Apocalyptic> what's the number of confirmations required to spend a coinbase output ?
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1246 2013-12-05 16:13:04 <andytoshi> Apocalyptic: 100
1247 2013-12-05 16:13:41 <andytoshi> there was a commit message a while back which said "plus a few", i'll see if i can find it.
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1251 2013-12-05 16:15:41 <andytoshi> possibly 5642404, "Bugfix: off-by-one error in coinbase maturity check"
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1253 2013-12-05 16:16:22 <andytoshi> (that is a git commit ID btw, happens not to have any letters)
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1255 2013-12-05 16:17:21 <andytoshi> main.h:53:static const int COINBASE_MATURITY = 100;
1256 2013-12-05 16:17:59 <andytoshi> not sure why i thought it was more than that, that's definitely the constant that is used
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1263 2013-12-05 16:20:59 <gmaxwell> Apocalyptic: required by _what_? you need to be more specific in your question. There are multiple answers.
1264 2013-12-05 16:22:06 <Apocalyptic> gmaxwell, required by bitcoind to consider it as a spendable output
1265 2013-12-05 16:22:26 <Apocalyptic> thanks andytoshi
1266 2013-12-05 16:22:26 <gmaxwell> hah. Still not enough detail.
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1268 2013-12-05 16:22:44 <gmaxwell> Do you mean required by the wallet in bitcoind, or by the network rules?
1269 2013-12-05 16:22:54 <Apocalyptic> by the wallet
1270 2013-12-05 16:23:01 <gmaxwell> 120 in 0.8.5
1271 2013-12-05 16:23:09 <gmaxwell> 101 in GIT.
1272 2013-12-05 16:23:16 <Apocalyptic> thanks
1273 2013-12-05 16:23:43 <gmaxwell> The network rule is 100, though the network isn't instantly consistent so spending right at 100 isn't a great idea. +20 was a bit much though.
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1328 2013-12-05 17:14:19 <icoradan> hello
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1337 2013-12-05 17:18:47 <icoradan> could anyone help me?
1338 2013-12-05 17:18:56 <icoradan> what is a share?
1339 2013-12-05 17:19:11 <icoradan> and what is the difference of single mining with the mining pool=
1340 2013-12-05 17:19:12 <icoradan> ?
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1342 2013-12-05 17:21:38 <icoradan> eo
1343 2013-12-05 17:21:41 <icoradan> anybody?
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1345 2013-12-05 17:24:15 <helo> icoradan: #bitcoin
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1348 2013-12-05 17:25:19 <icoradan> thanks I already know
1349 2013-12-05 17:25:23 <icoradan> it
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1351 2013-12-05 17:26:09 <helo> (i answered you in there... that isn't really a development question)
1352 2013-12-05 17:26:24 <icoradan> It is a Block hash with lower difficulty (pool difficulty) than the real difficulty...
1353 2013-12-05 17:26:53 <icoradan> and another questio
1354 2013-12-05 17:27:30 <icoradan> Have the minners a copy of the blockchain is they are working alone without pool?
1355 2013-12-05 17:27:31 <helo> icoradan: you will get more answers if you ask in #bitcoin as opposed to here
1356 2013-12-05 17:28:14 <icoradan> perhaps, but my questions are related with dev
1357 2013-12-05 17:28:26 <icoradan> So I am asking them here
1358 2013-12-05 17:29:18 <icoradan> helo: Have the minners a copy of the blockchain is they are working alone without pool?
1359 2013-12-05 17:29:43 <icoradan> And havent it if they are working on a pool?
1360 2013-12-05 17:30:08 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|yes, and maybe not
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1362 2013-12-05 17:30:31 <icoradan> What?
1363 2013-12-05 17:30:39 <icoradan> yes and maybe not?
1364 2013-12-05 17:30:55 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|correct
1365 2013-12-05 17:31:25 <icoradan> The minners have a copy of blockchain if they are working alone
1366 2013-12-05 17:31:31 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|If you're mining alone with no pool you need a copy of the blockchain
1367 2013-12-05 17:31:37 <icoradan> ok
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1369 2013-12-05 17:31:43 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Mining with a pool, you might not have a copy of the blockchain
1370 2013-12-05 17:31:46 <icoradan> and if your mining on a pool...
1371 2013-12-05 17:31:56 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|But you might have it
1372 2013-12-05 17:32:06 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|And in some cases, like with p2pool, you do still need it
1373 2013-12-05 17:32:15 <icoradan> it depend of the software, doesnt it?
1374 2013-12-05 17:32:21 <icoradan> mining software?
1375 2013-12-05 17:32:38 <icoradan> or it depend of the pool?
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1377 2013-12-05 17:32:57 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|yes
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1380 2013-12-05 17:33:28 <icoradan> does it depend of the mining software or of the mining pool?
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1383 2013-12-05 17:35:08 <icoradan> michagogo: does it depend of the mining software or of the mining pool?
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1385 2013-12-05 17:35:26 <icoradan> which of them?
1386 2013-12-05 17:35:26 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Yes, it does.
1387 2013-12-05 17:35:40 <icoradan> both?
1388 2013-12-05 17:35:46 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|It can be one
1389 2013-12-05 17:35:47 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|or the other
1390 2013-12-05 17:35:49 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|or both
1391 2013-12-05 17:35:52 <icoradan> ok
1392 2013-12-05 17:35:54 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|depends on the specific setup.
1393 2013-12-05 17:35:59 <icoradan> and the last question
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1395 2013-12-05 17:36:22 <icoradan> is there a specifict protocol to working on a pool, isnt it?
1396 2013-12-05 17:36:31 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|there are several
1397 2013-12-05 17:36:37 <icoradan> ok
1398 2013-12-05 17:36:40 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|gbt and stratum are two of them
1399 2013-12-05 17:37:01 <icoradan> I mean that the protocol of mining pool is different of mining alone
1400 2013-12-05 17:37:04 <icoradan> ??
1401 2013-12-05 17:37:26 <icoradan> aha
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1403 2013-12-05 17:37:50 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|not necessarily
1404 2013-12-05 17:38:10 <icoradan> why not necessarily?
1405 2013-12-05 17:38:22 <icoradan> ok, ok
1406 2013-12-05 17:38:29 <icoradan> I understand
1407 2013-12-05 17:38:57 <icoradan> the protocol can be the same, but in alone mode you dont use the comms with any pool
1408 2013-12-05 17:39:22 <icoradan> perfect....
1409 2013-12-05 17:39:47 <icoradan> These were my questions, thanks very much for the answers...
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1417 2013-12-05 17:47:51 <Luke-Jr> 0.8.6 branch is confusing
1418 2013-12-05 17:47:56 <Luke-Jr> why are commits listed twice?
1419 2013-12-05 17:47:57 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: ^
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1423 2013-12-05 17:48:44 <Luke-Jr> eg:
1424 2013-12-05 17:48:45 <Luke-Jr> * c3d89fa fix invalid conversion error with MinGW 4.8.1 in net.cpp
1425 2013-12-05 17:48:47 <Luke-Jr> * 1b350f2 fix invalid conversion error with MinGW 4.8.1 in net.cpp
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1427 2013-12-05 17:49:29 <Luke-Jr> hmm, something weird with git's ... syntax
1428 2013-12-05 17:49:39 <Luke-Jr> seems I only get one with ..
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1443 2013-12-05 18:04:55 <berndj> Luke-Jr, ... will show a diff that's applied to both of two branches "symmetric difference"; A..B excludes those that are reachable from A. IOW A..B is more like "what happened on B since A diverged?" while A...B is more like "what is the total difference between A and B?"
1444 2013-12-05 18:05:46 <Luke-Jr> berndj: not sure why it would behave like that still
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1446 2013-12-05 18:06:03 <Luke-Jr> unless wumpus reversed something on the branch
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1448 2013-12-05 18:07:30 <Luke-Jr> hmm
1449 2013-12-05 18:07:32 <Luke-Jr> looks like he did
1450 2013-12-05 18:07:33 <Luke-Jr> wonder why
1451 2013-12-05 18:07:45 <Luke-Jr> anyhow, sigs match wumpus's
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1527 2013-12-05 19:26:05 <cfields> Luke-Jr: ping
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1529 2013-12-05 19:26:26 <cfields> Luke-Jr: turns out gitian's busted with lxc
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1531 2013-12-05 19:29:57 <Luke-Jr> cfields: not much surprise there
1532 2013-12-05 19:32:35 <cfields> there's some bug that changes the umask for lxc builds, so .a's end up with different permissions for objects, so different hashes
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1566 2013-12-05 20:28:03 <maveneagle> hey folks, I am a developer trying to understand bitcoin, was able to get a basic protocol of bitcoin. I wanted to take a step forward and implement a bitcoin miner, I couldn't find any formal specification for the protocol
1567 2013-12-05 20:28:18 <maveneagle> can anyone help me with that?
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1571 2013-12-05 20:29:14 <keyboard> Read getblocktemplate api documentation
1572 2013-12-05 20:30:19 <Luke-Jr> maveneagle: BIP 22 and 23
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1580 2013-12-05 20:36:10 <maveneagle> how would I discover peer nodes? any central server to fetch active peers?
1581 2013-12-05 20:38:01 <keyboard> miner doesn't discover peers
1582 2013-12-05 20:39:50 <keyboard> I don't know how peer discovery works
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1586 2013-12-05 20:43:09 <rdn> maveneagle, https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Satoshi_Client_Node_Discovery
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1625 2013-12-05 21:31:52 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Hmm
1626 2013-12-05 21:32:09 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Anyone have any idea how to open a .vhd file from a Windows backup on a Mac?
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1629 2013-12-05 21:32:29 <edcba> vmware maybe
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1631 2013-12-05 21:32:50 <edcba> hmm maybe vmware doesn't exist for mac
1632 2013-12-05 21:32:59 <edcba> what do you mean by a "Mac" anyway ? :)
1633 2013-12-05 21:33:18 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|an Apple MacBook Pro running OS X 10.9
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1636 2013-12-05 21:34:59 <edcba> http://jimleonardo.blogspot.fr/2011/11/migrating-bootable-vhd-to-fusion-in-mac.html ?
1637 2013-12-05 21:36:18 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|VMWare Fusion is non-free
1638 2013-12-05 21:36:37 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|And I don't know if we're talking about something bootable or not...
1639 2013-12-05 21:37:54 <rys> trial versions of Fusion are free
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1641 2013-12-05 21:38:48 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|But again, I don't know if we're talking about a bootable vhd here or not
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1649 2013-12-05 21:46:24 <Luke-Jr> rys: VMWare Fusion is never free
1650 2013-12-05 21:46:27 <Luke-Jr> rys: I think you mean gratis
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1652 2013-12-05 21:46:39 <rys> Free as in money
1653 2013-12-05 21:46:54 <Luke-Jr> rys: free isn't a money thing
1654 2013-12-05 21:46:57 <Luke-Jr> that's gratis
1655 2013-12-05 21:47:50 <rys> I apologise for my stunted vocabulary
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1657 2013-12-05 21:48:42 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Luke-Jr: Well, free can mean gratis
1658 2013-12-05 21:49:00 <Luke-Jr> michagogo|cloud: not properly
1659 2013-12-05 21:49:03 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(I was referring to both kinds of free, incidentally)
1660 2013-12-05 21:49:21 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Luke-Jr: Maybe, but that's how it's used
1661 2013-12-05 21:49:58 <Luke-Jr> especially when talking about software
1662 2013-12-05 21:50:28 <Luke-Jr> IMO if someone used a clearly non-free license on software, yet sold it as free, it'd be grounds to sue
1663 2013-12-05 21:50:29 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I've seen the distinction described as "free-as-in-speech" vs "free-as-in-beer"
1664 2013-12-05 21:50:42 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|If they sold it as free, sure
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1667 2013-12-05 21:51:18 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|because then it's not FaiS or FaiB
1668 2013-12-05 21:51:53 <Luke-Jr> free beer means you get the receipe
1669 2013-12-05 21:52:03 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Luke-Jr: :-P
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1687 2013-12-05 22:13:43 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|gah
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1689 2013-12-05 22:14:25 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I got virtualbox and downloaded an ubuntu image
1690 2013-12-05 22:14:45 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|But I forgot that the .vhd file is read-only
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1692 2013-12-05 22:15:12 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|And virtualbox apparently won't mount read-only images
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1694 2013-12-05 22:16:45 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(actually, the drive that the vhd is on is read-only)
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1751 2013-12-05 22:58:00 <jnd> Hey guys, where can I report bugs to the client? The list of receiving addresses isn't mine but comes from the ones I sent btc to in the past. I didn't realize that until I saw the transaction isn't coming to my wallet.
1752 2013-12-05 22:58:48 <sipa> jnd: you can report issues at github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues, but what you're describing is working as expected
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1754 2013-12-05 22:59:12 <sipa> jnd: read this: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Change
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1756 2013-12-05 22:59:32 <gmaxwell> jnd: What do you mean by "list of receiving addresses"?
1757 2013-12-05 22:59:38 <sipa> wait, i'm not exactly sure that's what you're saying
1758 2013-12-05 22:59:40 <gmaxwell> sipa: or is he talking about the address book?
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1761 2013-12-05 23:01:49 <jnd> oh maybe I did it wrong, yes I mean the address book
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1764 2013-12-05 23:03:04 <gmaxwell> The address book is a bit confusing. It will be mostly gone in the next release.
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1770 2013-12-05 23:06:02 <jnd> Yeah my bad, I guess I'm not thinking clearly today. I see it now that they are in the incoming tab (I have localized version which probably makes it more confusing). This time I picked it from the address book which actually doesn't contain my addresses. Oh well, that was expensive lesson :)
1771 2013-12-05 23:06:43 <jnd> Too bad I didn't name them
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1775 2013-12-05 23:09:02 <gmaxwell> jnd: you may be able to google the address or look at its transactions to figure out who it belongs to.
1776 2013-12-05 23:09:23 <gmaxwell> also if you have any accounts at exchanges or the like check and see if it didn't just show up in your balance.
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1782 2013-12-05 23:12:09 <hno> jnd, if you have the address in your address book then you likely made some tansaction to it earlier which should give you a good idea of who the address belongs to.
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1789 2013-12-05 23:18:19 <jnd> gmaxwell: hno: yes, it's not mine, it's some guy/site I sent something back in 2011, maybe I can get hang of him. I was trying to get btc back from exchange to my wallet, it would be nice the other way :)
1790 2013-12-05 23:18:35 <jnd> thanks for the help
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1795 2013-12-05 23:22:26 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wow
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1797 2013-12-05 23:22:55 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I'm setting up a digitalocean droplet, and apt-get install is insanely fast
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1799 2013-12-05 23:23:25 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I guess that's a combination of the fact that they have an ubuntu package mirror and the fact that the storage is ssd
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1801 2013-12-05 23:24:32 <Luke-Jr> [22:59:37] <gmaxwell> The address book is a bit confusing. It will be mostly gone in the next release. <-- what's this refer to?
1802 2013-12-05 23:25:07 * Luke-Jr ponders
1803 2013-12-05 23:25:13 <Luke-Jr> oh, bitcoin-qt bin is in src now
1804 2013-12-05 23:25:28 <phantomcircuit> ;;gentime 0.5
1805 2013-12-05 23:25:29 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 0.5 Mhps, given difficulty of 707408283.051, is 192690 years, 19 weeks, 3 days, 3 hours, 48 minutes, and 4 seconds
1806 2013-12-05 23:25:34 <phantomcircuit> ;;gentime 0.5 1
1807 2013-12-05 23:25:34 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 0.5 Mhps, given difficulty of 1.0, is 2 hours, 23 minutes, and 10 seconds
1808 2013-12-05 23:25:41 <Luke-Jr> … why is there a checkbox for reusing an address? -.-
1809 2013-12-05 23:26:08 <phantomcircuit> Luke-Jr, the rational for it is in the tooltip
1810 2013-12-05 23:26:30 <Luke-Jr> phantomcircuit: it doesn't explain it.
1811 2013-12-05 23:26:47 <Luke-Jr> it's not like it lets you choose the address..
1812 2013-12-05 23:27:33 <phantomcircuit> it doesn't?
1813 2013-12-05 23:27:36 <Luke-Jr> no
1814 2013-12-05 23:27:44 <phantomcircuit> oh it doesn't
1815 2013-12-05 23:27:46 <phantomcircuit> weird
1816 2013-12-05 23:27:47 <Luke-Jr> oh
1817 2013-12-05 23:27:52 <Luke-Jr> it prompts after you click Request payment
1818 2013-12-05 23:28:04 <phantomcircuit> wait yes it does
1819 2013-12-05 23:28:06 <Luke-Jr> confusing
1820 2013-12-05 23:28:06 <phantomcircuit> lol
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1822 2013-12-05 23:28:14 <phantomcircuit> yeah that isn't obvious
1823 2013-12-05 23:28:25 <Luke-Jr> I still think it should just add payment requests to your transaction list, and let you reopen them from there <.<
1824 2013-12-05 23:28:42 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|...wow
1825 2013-12-05 23:28:51 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|It's really kinda scary how fast this thing runs
1826 2013-12-05 23:29:28 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|It's about 20 times faster than the same thing is in a VM on my laptop
1827 2013-12-05 23:29:39 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(gitian's make-base-vm, in this case)
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1831 2013-12-05 23:32:35 <JOberg77> If any1 uses Multibit here, i need your help
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1836 2013-12-05 23:38:47 <cfields> michagogo|cloud: you trying osx build?
1837 2013-12-05 23:39:46 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|cfields: trying to set up a gitian building setup
1838 2013-12-05 23:39:59 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I can test os x, sure
1839 2013-12-05 23:40:23 <cfields> michagogo|cloud: ok great. maybe i can quit bugging Luke-Jr for tests then :p
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1842 2013-12-05 23:41:19 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|cfields: What VM does it use for the OS X?
1843 2013-12-05 23:41:26 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|lucid? precise? other?
1844 2013-12-05 23:41:34 <cfields> michagogo|cloud: atm it's precise x86
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1847 2013-12-05 23:41:48 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Okay, I'll make a base vm for that
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1849 2013-12-05 23:41:56 <cfields> awesome, thanks
1850 2013-12-05 23:42:43 <Cryo> keep track of which compiler version, osx version, you're building on. Is there a master ticket for tracking the corruption bug?
1851 2013-12-05 23:43:13 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Cryo: we're talking about OS X cross-compilation on Linux
1852 2013-12-05 23:43:21 <Cryo> oh damn
1853 2013-12-05 23:43:22 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|not looking at the corruption thing atm
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1860 2013-12-05 23:47:16 <sipa> Cryo: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/2770
1861 2013-12-05 23:49:25 <Luke-Jr> cfields: hrm, serious bug with autotools in master
1862 2013-12-05 23:49:38 <Luke-Jr> make src/qt/bitcoin-qt => make[1]: ⁂ No rule to make target `../../src/libbitcoin_server.a', needed by `bitcoin-qt'.  Stop.
1863 2013-12-05 23:51:15 <phantomcircuit> can someone send me testnet coins miRoDzh91i7PhpXxZyAjHUqHcAtnJwdFvH
1864 2013-12-05 23:51:24 <phantomcircuit> all the faucets appear to be broken
1865 2013-12-05 23:51:49 <Belxjander> phantomcircuit: how about mining the testneet ?
1866 2013-12-05 23:52:27 <phantomcircuit> even at diff=1 it would take hours
1867 2013-12-05 23:53:28 <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: still need tnbtc
1868 2013-12-05 23:53:42 <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: ?
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1870 2013-12-05 23:54:06 <phantomcircuit> yeah
1871 2013-12-05 23:54:12 <phantomcircuit> unless someone just sent me some
1872 2013-12-05 23:54:54 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, the tnbtc i had are stuck in a wallet that takes 5 hours to open
1873 2013-12-05 23:54:55 <phantomcircuit> lol
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1875 2013-12-05 23:56:24 <gmaxwell> 51b4d744334c141c144adfacd76737ca471bf8ae1c2117994731101b9dd969b8
1876 2013-12-05 23:56:24 <phantomcircuit> rofl
1877 2013-12-05 23:56:35 <phantomcircuit> pbs just said banks cannot handle bitcoins transactions
1878 2013-12-05 23:56:37 <phantomcircuit> retards
1879 2013-12-05 23:57:00 <phantomcircuit> they just said that banks cannot open accounts in bitcoin
1880 2013-12-05 23:57:11 <phantomcircuit> which is bizarre since they let you open accounts denominated in goats
1881 2013-12-05 23:57:17 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, thanks
1882 2013-12-05 23:57:20 <cfields> Luke-Jr: yea, that's one of my issues with the separate .a's
1883 2013-12-05 23:57:24 <phantomcircuit> im rich!
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1885 2013-12-05 23:57:42 <Luke-Jr> cfields: ah ok, as long as it'll get fixed before release
1886 2013-12-05 23:58:26 <Luke-Jr> cfields: is there a workaround
1887 2013-12-05 23:58:28 <Luke-Jr> ?
1888 2013-12-05 23:58:46 <cfields> Luke-Jr: build in src first
1889 2013-12-05 23:58:57 <Luke-Jr> that will build bitcoind
1890 2013-12-05 23:59:17 <cfields> first, not only
1891 2013-12-05 23:59:50 <Luke-Jr> I don't want bitcoind built in this case, without having to reconfigure :P