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 133 2013-12-11 02:10:25 <deanclkclk> question..how could I get the bitcoin-qt server? ?
 134 2013-12-11 02:11:44 <tommygunner> you can download it for free
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 136 2013-12-11 02:12:01 <tommygunner> http://bitcoin.org/en/download
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 138 2013-12-11 02:14:21 <deanclkclk> tommygunner: i'm talking the headless server
 139 2013-12-11 02:14:37 <tommygunner> you mean bitcoind
 140 2013-12-11 02:14:40 <tommygunner> not bitcoin-qt
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 142 2013-12-11 02:15:53 <deanclkclk> yes u are right
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 144 2013-12-11 02:16:16 <deanclkclk> I want to start tinker around the server in term of the json-rpc commands
 145 2013-12-11 02:16:37 <deanclkclk> where can I get it to download?
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 147 2013-12-11 02:17:04 <tommygunner> its included
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 150 2013-12-11 02:17:49 <tommygunner> you will need to download the blockchain which will take a considerable amount of time
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 152 2013-12-11 02:18:45 <tommygunner> especially because the bootstrap.dat is over 3 months old now
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 154 2013-12-11 02:23:38 <deanclkclk> well...I have bitoin qt locally
 155 2013-12-11 02:23:41 <deanclkclk> on my pc
 156 2013-12-11 02:23:46 <deanclkclk> so where do I find it?
 157 2013-12-11 02:23:52 <deanclkclk> @ tommygunner ?
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 159 2013-12-11 02:24:25 <deanclkclk> I installed it on my pc
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 161 2013-12-11 02:27:07 <abishek> Good Morning, could someone advice on how to get notified by the bitcoin daemon if there is any incoming transaction/coin received on the wallet?
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 163 2013-12-11 02:28:01 <Gnaf> deanclkclk: bitcoind is in the bitcoin-qt daemon dir
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 166 2013-12-11 02:29:03 <deanclkclk> ok found it but, can I copy it and put it somewhere else or do I copy something else with it?
 167 2013-12-11 02:29:15 <deanclkclk> because, I'm thinking it might need bootstrap.dat
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 173 2013-12-11 02:33:52 <Gnaf>  start your bitcoind with ./bitcoind -daemon and  bitcoind api commands https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Original_Bitcoin_client/API_calls_list
 174 2013-12-11 02:34:14 <tommygunner> you will need the bitcoin data dir
 175 2013-12-11 02:35:22 <abishek> Gnaf, but how do i know if i have received a transaction for the wallet?
 176 2013-12-11 02:35:48 <abishek> should i keep pinging the bitcoin API to see if there is a change?
 177 2013-12-11 02:36:36 <deanclkclk> I am wondering the same thing abishek
 178 2013-12-11 02:37:00 <lianj> -walletnotify
 179 2013-12-11 02:37:06 <lianj> look that up
 180 2013-12-11 02:38:46 <deanclkclk> there's no walletnotify in the command list lianj
 181 2013-12-11 02:38:48 <abishek> lianj, thanks, i currently have that hooked to a PHP script, will that only notify for the current wallet?
 182 2013-12-11 02:39:00 <Blaster> I added this to ~/.bitcoin/bitcoin.conf:  walletnotify=/home/btcdev/walletnotify.sh %s
 183 2013-12-11 02:39:08 <Blaster> but it doesn't seem to be getting called
 184 2013-12-11 02:39:17 <abishek> deanclkclk, it is a parameter on the bitcoind not on the api list
 185 2013-12-11 02:39:45 <abishek> lianj, will -walletnotify also work if the dameon is started with testnet?
 186 2013-12-11 02:40:34 <Blaster> is the only way to test -walletnotify to send transactions on the actual network?  Is there a way to do it with test net?
 187 2013-12-11 02:41:53 <abishek> same question as blaster
 188 2013-12-11 02:42:23 <Blaster> I found out that my  walletnotify.sh wasn't getting called because I forgot to set execute permissions
 189 2013-12-11 02:42:51 <abishek> :-)
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 191 2013-12-11 02:43:01 <deanclkclk> ok so I'm confused setting up the bitcoind
 192 2013-12-11 02:43:11 <deanclkclk> so in my daemon folder..i'm seeing bitcoind.exe
 193 2013-12-11 02:43:13 <abishek> Blaster are you able to send or receive payments on testnet?
 194 2013-12-11 02:43:21 <deanclkclk> there's no configuration file there..nothing
 195 2013-12-11 02:43:27 <Blaster> abishek:  I am not sure I haven't used it
 196 2013-12-11 02:43:33 <abishek> deanclkclk, take a look at this https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Running_Bitcoin
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 201 2013-12-11 02:44:24 <abishek> Blaster, i am not sure if I can send coins from one wallet running on testnet to another wallet running on testnet
 202 2013-12-11 02:44:29 <abishek> gonna give it a try
 203 2013-12-11 02:44:37 <Blaster> ok let me know
 204 2013-12-11 02:44:41 <abishek> ok
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 233 2013-12-11 03:20:13 <tommygunner> any idea why this testnet transaction is not confirming? 7aa47957a36413875bd7a25ca4c872de723dd53fcc94ed81ab7c89bb39da34e6
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 237 2013-12-11 03:27:47 <abishek> how to generate an address with coins on a testnet wallet?
 238 2013-12-11 03:29:44 <tommygunner> so, who just confirmed it? :P
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 240 2013-12-11 03:30:23 <tommygunner> abishek: you can just get some at a faucet, http://tpfaucet.appspot.com
 241 2013-12-11 03:32:17 <abishek> thanks tommygunner, thats a very useful site. appreciate it
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 249 2013-12-11 03:39:43 <Blaster> hmm, walletnotify is sending a blank %s parameter.  here is from my bitcoin.conf:  walletnotify=/home/btcdev/walletnotify.sh %s
 250 2013-12-11 03:40:00 <Blaster> here is my walletnotify.sh script... https://gist.github.com/redstar504/c75d1963cc11bc6fe867
 251 2013-12-11 03:40:33 <Blaster> works fine when I execute it myself and send a parameter, so for some reason bitcoin-qt is not sending the %s param
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 277 2013-12-11 04:09:27 <Cryo> hmm, got an exception in 0.8.6 St9bad_alloc in ProcessMessages(block, 126682 bytes) FAILED.
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 279 2013-12-11 04:09:51 <Cryo> on osx, so I guess that 32bit memory thing affects it as well.
 280 2013-12-11 04:12:03 <Cryo> but I don't think I was memory constrained, since I think osx uses bounce buffers
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 292 2013-12-11 04:24:57 <abishek> what are the firewall rules that need to be setup for the daemon to get the blocks?
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 296 2013-12-11 04:26:09 <kjj> allow outbound TCP to arbitrary addresses and ports, as well as packets belonging to related and established connections
 297 2013-12-11 04:26:23 <kjj> er, "as well as incoming packets..."
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 300 2013-12-11 04:27:24 <abishek> kjj, i am setting it up on a managed hosting, so that probably will not be clear, is there a way to setup bitcoind to listen to on a specific port for getting blocks and chains
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 319 2013-12-11 04:28:43 <kjj> so you could use that TCP port as your outbound allow rule.  as far as I know, there is no way to force bitcoind to pick a specific local port for outgoing connections
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 321 2013-12-11 04:28:56 <abishek> kjj, found it, https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/FAQ#Do_I_need_to_configure_my_firewall_to_run_Bitcoin.3F
 322 2013-12-11 04:29:02 <kjj> you can also set your node to listen, and have your listen port open
 323 2013-12-11 04:29:04 <abishek> its actually documented on bitcoin
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 396 2013-12-11 05:30:32 <abishek> is testnet loaded if testnet=0 or testnet=1 on bitcoin.conf?
 397 2013-12-11 05:31:45 <kjj> I'm not sure if it takes parameters.  on the command line, you'd just use -testnet
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 418 2013-12-11 05:50:17 <BlueMatt> wow...gihub sessions last forever apparently.. "Signed in: August 04, 2013"
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 421 2013-12-11 05:53:01 <abishek> has someone configured bitcoind on centos?
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 423 2013-12-11 05:55:41 <kjj> abishek: check the forums.  I had written a script for that a long time ago, but it broke.  I'm pretty sure someone wrote a better one
 424 2013-12-11 05:56:58 <abishek> the jsonrpc works fine if I access it through curl using terminal but if I write a simple application using PHP to access via browser, it says it cannot connect
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 433 2013-12-11 06:01:50 <abishek> kjj should it be off or on?
 434 2013-12-11 06:02:41 <kjj> off
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 436 2013-12-11 06:03:37 <kjj> might also have problems with open_basedir
 437 2013-12-11 06:03:38 <abishek> yes, it is off and doesn;t work
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 444 2013-12-11 06:09:16 <abishek> i cant understand how it work using curl and not through apache
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 456 2013-12-11 06:14:43 <PRab> Is there a way to know how much the fee for a transaction is from the output of "decoderawtransaction"?
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 460 2013-12-11 06:19:22 <andytoshi> PRab: total outputs minus total inputs
 461 2013-12-11 06:20:12 <PRab> I don't see the value of the inputs.
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 524 2013-12-11 07:07:58 <Retik> I got a question i hope someone can answer
 525 2013-12-11 07:08:17 <Retik> i keep seeing these blog postings from random people claiming that bitcoins aren't really anonymous and then they go into some rant about why
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 527 2013-12-11 07:09:11 <Retik> it's my understanding that generally you can't trace an address to a location and that's where bitcoins obtain their anonimity. but can't you sniff a network and find the IP of the transaction's sender/receiver?
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 529 2013-12-11 07:09:41 <sipa> sometimes, yes
 530 2013-12-11 07:10:21 <sipa> though using systems like tor, or carefully choosing your peers, can help
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 532 2013-12-11 07:12:08 <Retik> i mean, pirate@40 got caught eventually right?
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 534 2013-12-11 07:12:15 <Retik> with enough determination and work it's doable
 535 2013-12-11 07:12:29 <Retik> and so for people scared of the NSA to say it's anonymous, seems a little naive
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 538 2013-12-11 07:16:17 <sipa> bitcoin is not anonymous at all
 539 2013-12-11 07:16:34 <sipa> you can take certain steps to protect your privacy
 540 2013-12-11 07:17:30 <Blaster> Hello.  When I use -walletnotify, what do I do with the resultant TX id so I can find the amount and the address it was sent to?
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 543 2013-12-11 07:18:01 <sipa> call listtransactions or getreceivedbyaddress
 544 2013-12-11 07:18:17 <Blaster> sipa: ok, do I have to have bitcoind or can I do it with bitcoin-qt?
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 547 2013-12-11 07:18:57 <sipa> if you run bitcoin-qt -server, it does the same as bitcoind
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 549 2013-12-11 07:19:49 <Blaster> nice
 550 2013-12-11 07:20:05 <Blaster> can I specify that in my bitcoin.conf so I don't have to call with server each time?
 551 2013-12-11 07:20:07 <Blaster> sipa ^
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 612 2013-12-11 08:13:14 <gavinandresen> Blaster: sure, set server=1 in the bitcoin.conf file.  Every command-line param is also a bitcoin.conf setting.
 613 2013-12-11 08:13:31 <Blaster> cool
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 625 2013-12-11 08:28:12 <abishek> how can i get the balance of an address on the wallet using bitcoind?
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 627 2013-12-11 08:29:53 <gavinandresen> abishek: an arbitrary address?  You can't, bitcoind doesn't maintain an index of every address.
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 629 2013-12-11 08:30:55 <abishek> ok
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 631 2013-12-11 08:32:23 <abishek> what method needs to be used to create an account, i see that we can pass the account when creating a new address, but how to create an account?
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 649 2013-12-11 09:00:23 <kuzetsa> abishek:
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 651 2013-12-11 09:00:34 <kuzetsa> bitcoind listunspent | grep <address you want to check>
 652 2013-12-11 09:00:49 <kuzetsa> but it only works if that address is one associated with your wallet
 653 2013-12-11 09:01:43 <kuzetsa> actually though, since it returns json format it might not be as simple as using grep
 654 2013-12-11 09:01:46 <kuzetsa> linebreaks and such
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 658 2013-12-11 09:03:30 <kuzetsa> I can't remember & my wallet is empty right now so I can't confirm behavior on that
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 661 2013-12-11 09:05:34 <abishek> Blaster, were you able to successfully setup -walletnotify?
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 663 2013-12-11 09:06:10 <Blaster> abishek:  I was able to set it up to record the transactions to a file
 664 2013-12-11 09:06:24 <Blaster> now I have to use the JSON-RPC to decode the transaction ID
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 667 2013-12-11 09:08:01 <abishek> can you tell me what command you used to retrieve that?
 668 2013-12-11 09:08:21 <kuzetsa> wow, the API is much nicer than I remember back on 0.6.3
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 671 2013-12-11 09:09:35 <kuzetsa> ignore the thing I said about using grep (completely ignore it... there's a better way, I just don't know what & some of my bitcoin JSON-RPC consumer code needs to be redone less hackishly now that the APIs are nicer)
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 673 2013-12-11 09:10:04 <abishek> Blaster, I did something like this "bitcoind -walletnotify=./root/test_log/log.sh%s -blocknotify=./root/test_log/log.sh%s". Is this right?
 674 2013-12-11 09:10:13 <Blaster> abishek:   in my bitcoin.conf I put walletnotify=/home/myuser/btcdev/walletnotify.sh %s
 675 2013-12-11 09:10:31 <Blaster> I think yours are a bit off
 676 2013-12-11 09:10:38 <Blaster> put it in bitcoin.conf
 677 2013-12-11 09:10:41 <abishek> let me try it your way
 678 2013-12-11 09:10:52 <Blaster> theres supposed to be a space before the %s, as that is the argument passed to the program
 679 2013-12-11 09:11:35 <Blaster> yours should probably look like: walletnotify=/root/test_log/log.sh %s
 680 2013-12-11 09:11:56 <abishek> does it start with a - or just walletnotify
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 682 2013-12-11 09:14:00 <abishek> Blaster and is the value passed as a command line parameter? %s
 683 2013-12-11 09:14:13 <Blaster> - is only for when you're starting bitcoin-qt with that -walletnotify as an argument.  In the bitcoin.conf file it's just walletnotify=...
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 685 2013-12-11 09:14:53 <Blaster> I would use bitcoin.conf for it personally
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 687 2013-12-11 09:15:38 <abishek> i just put it on bitcoin.conf, does wallet notify also notifies for confirmations?
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 690 2013-12-11 09:18:02 <Blaster> I think it does, I am not sure though
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 707 2013-12-11 09:40:58 <rdymac> Do pools need to run bitcoind in order to mine? I thought it was
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 715 2013-12-11 09:50:56 <hno> rdymac, pretty much yes.
 716 2013-12-11 09:51:18 <hno> or at least access to one.
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 718 2013-12-11 09:54:42 <rdymac> that's what I thought, but when "I do work for Google" guys come yelling that 0.8.6 won't affect pools as they don't use the reference implementation. I need to ask before asking why he thinks so
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 746 2013-12-11 10:27:32 <Blaster> how can I get some testnet coins?
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 751 2013-12-11 10:33:15 <nsh> Blaster: http://kuttler.eu/bitcoin/faucet/ (maybe)
 752 2013-12-11 10:33:27 <Blaster> I already got some, thanks
 753 2013-12-11 10:33:32 <nsh> k
 754 2013-12-11 10:35:07 <Blaster> does JSON RPC work for testnet too?
 755 2013-12-11 10:35:26 <Blaster> seems I can't connect
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 761 2013-12-11 10:41:19 <deanclkclk> .
 762 2013-12-11 10:41:32 <deanclkclk> so I've runned bitcoind from my windows command..nothing happens
 763 2013-12-11 10:41:48 <deanclkclk> no output from the console and my command freezes on the first line
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 780 2013-12-11 11:02:52 <abishek> deanclkclk, the command doesn't freeze, it means it is running
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 782 2013-12-11 11:03:34 <deanclkclk> well it saying I need to create a username and password which is good
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 789 2013-12-11 11:10:36 <abishek> deanclkclk, create a conf file as explained @ https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Running_Bitcoin#Bitcoin.conf_Configuration_File
 790 2013-12-11 11:10:57 <abishek> a sample config file is also on the same page
 791 2013-12-11 11:11:16 <abishek> that will explain how the bitcoind works
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 797 2013-12-11 11:18:33 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|12:31:32 <Blaster> does JSON RPC work for testnet too?
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 799 2013-12-11 11:18:39 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Yes, it does, on port 18332
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 802 2013-12-11 11:19:38 <Blaster> ah, makes sense
 803 2013-12-11 11:19:45 <Blaster> thanks
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 808 2013-12-11 11:23:17 <abishek> how can i get the version of the currently installed bitcoin daemon? I queried the daemon with help() and got back 80100, what does this mean?
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 814 2013-12-11 11:32:16 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|abishek: you're on 0.8.1, I believe
 815 2013-12-11 11:32:29 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Also, if you check the debug.log file, it prints version at startup
 816 2013-12-11 11:32:50 <abishek> michagogo, thnx
 817 2013-12-11 11:38:04 <abishek> can someone advice on this question that I posted on SO http://stackoverflow.com/questions/20517442/when-does-walletnotify-event-occur-on-bitcoind
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 835 2013-12-11 11:51:07 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|abishek: wrong site
 836 2013-12-11 11:51:13 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|there's a bitcoin stack exchange
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 839 2013-12-11 11:52:21 <abishek> michagogo, i though the questions there were mostly on the behavior and bitcoin, so I posted it on SO
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 843 2013-12-11 11:52:56 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|abishek: aha
 844 2013-12-11 11:53:02 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/49e332f6fc4ecc5f631d590ca7d2e69e1db327e1
 845 2013-12-11 11:53:08 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|There's your problemn.
 846 2013-12-11 11:53:11 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|problem.*
 847 2013-12-11 11:53:44 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(under "Add -walletnotify to call an external script on wallet transactions", at the top, note the list of tags that that commit is in)
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 850 2013-12-11 11:55:53 <abishek> so i will need to update my daemon?
 851 2013-12-11 11:55:59 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Correct.
 852 2013-12-11 11:56:10 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|The -walletnotify feature only exists in v0.8.2 and later
 853 2013-12-11 11:56:21 <abishek> ok, then my next question, are there docs on how to upgrade?
 854 2013-12-11 11:56:36 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Download the new version, replace the executable.
 855 2013-12-11 11:56:53 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(how did you install? did you build yourself, or download a release binary?)
 856 2013-12-11 11:56:59 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(what system are you on?)
 857 2013-12-11 11:57:16 <abishek> centos and ubuntu
 858 2013-12-11 11:57:47 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|How did you install? Did you build yourself, or did you download a release binary?
 859 2013-12-11 11:58:14 <abishek> rpm -ivh http://tvdw.eu/bitcoin-0.8.1-1.el6.x86_64.rpm
 860 2013-12-11 11:58:40 <abishek> looked it up http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/10467/how-do-i-go-about-installing-a-bitcoin-daemon-in-centos-linux
 861 2013-12-11 11:59:00 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|abishek: I don't know what that is
 862 2013-12-11 11:59:34 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(it's not anything officially released or supported)
 863 2013-12-11 11:59:40 <abishek> i installed it using rpm on centos
 864 2013-12-11 12:01:08 <abishek> can you suggest how to install/upgrade on centos?
 865 2013-12-11 12:01:32 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|A quick google search returns the following source: http://linux.ringingliberty.com/bitcoin/
 866 2013-12-11 12:01:35 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Again, a warning
 867 2013-12-11 12:01:44 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I'm not recommending this
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 869 2013-12-11 12:02:02 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I don't know who this is, and I don't know if it can be trusted
 870 2013-12-11 12:02:25 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Your best bet is to download from http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/bitcoin-0.8.6/bitcoin-0.8.6-linux.tar.gz/download
 871 2013-12-11 12:02:27 <abishek> i would like to use the bitcoind and not the GUI
 872 2013-12-11 12:02:33 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Those are the official release binaries
 873 2013-12-11 12:02:41 <abishek> ok, thnx
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 926 2013-12-11 12:53:29 <abishek> michagogo, if I am using the official binaries, can I use the same wallet which i was previously using?
 927 2013-12-11 12:53:52 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|abishek: Yes, as long as you didn't open that wallet with bdb later than 4.8
 928 2013-12-11 12:54:24 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(in other words: probably, but make a backup of the wallet somewhere safe before you try)
 929 2013-12-11 12:54:32 <abishek> ok
 930 2013-12-11 12:55:27 <abishek> so if I shutdown my previous bitcoin daemon and run the one from official libraries, will it pick the configuration from the default location? ~/.bitcoin/bitcoin.conf?
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 970 2013-12-11 13:37:37 <Polyatomic> bitcoind 0.8.5 Question: What is the default value of minrelaytxfee ?
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 974 2013-12-11 13:40:19 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|let me double-check
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1008 2013-12-11 14:13:12 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|BlueMatt's the only one who can update the Ubuntu ppa, right?
1009 2013-12-11 14:13:19 <abishek> JSON RPC fails if I query the bitcoin daemon from a remote system. how can this be fixed?
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1012 2013-12-11 14:13:47 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|abishek: you need the rpcallowip option
1013 2013-12-11 14:13:51 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|or something like that
1014 2013-12-11 14:13:56 <abishek> i get the error "failed to open stream: HTTP request failed!"
1015 2013-12-11 14:14:11 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(as well as port 8332 to be open)
1016 2013-12-11 14:14:19 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(or 18332 for testnet)
1017 2013-12-11 14:14:46 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|abishek: it's a security thing
1018 2013-12-11 14:14:50 <abishek> by default ubuntu firewall is disabled, and I have not enabled it
1019 2013-12-11 14:15:18 <maraoz> Guys, I'm watching the logs for a freshly installed bitcoind which is downloading the blockchain, and I get a looooot of "ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK". Around 9 out of 10 say this. Is that normal?
1020 2013-12-11 14:15:25 <abishek> on the rpcallowip, should i give the ip address from where it is being accessed?
1021 2013-12-11 14:15:32 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|maraoz: Yes
1022 2013-12-11 14:15:35 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|abishek: yes
1023 2013-12-11 14:16:04 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|maraoz: What's happening is that while you're syncing, you heard about a new block on the network
1024 2013-12-11 14:16:16 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|maraoz: By the way, how far along in the sync are you?
1025 2013-12-11 14:16:26 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(what's the output of getinfo?)
1026 2013-12-11 14:16:32 <abishek> tried it, still gives the error failed to open stream: HTTP request failed! HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden
1027 2013-12-11 14:16:49 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|abishek: Got the username and password right?
1028 2013-12-11 14:17:09 <abishek> yes
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1030 2013-12-11 14:17:41 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|abishek: I assume you restarted bitcoind after making the configuration change?
1031 2013-12-11 14:17:42 <abishek> it works if I execute with in ubuntu, but not from the remote server
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1033 2013-12-11 14:17:50 <abishek> yes, i have done that as well
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1035 2013-12-11 14:18:03 <maraoz> I've just started it. SetBestChain: new best=0000000000000064df4ead5130e50e75891b1ffd2bb48457f835ef21ae2a925a  height=170580  log2_work=67.81556  tx=2592422  date=2012-03-10 22:06:14 progress=0.042842
1036 2013-12-11 14:18:07 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|And the rpcallowip entry is the remote server's external IP address?
1037 2013-12-11 14:18:55 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|maraoz: Do you know about the bootstrap.dat torrent?
1038 2013-12-11 14:19:10 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145386.0;all
1039 2013-12-11 14:19:21 <maraoz> here's my getinfo: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=rX0L0DR5
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1041 2013-12-11 14:19:42 <maraoz> Nope. I'll check that thanks.
1042 2013-12-11 14:19:58 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|maraoz: By the way, you may want to upgrade to version 0.8.6
1043 2013-12-11 14:20:25 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(you're on 0.8.5)
1044 2013-12-11 14:20:26 <maraoz> Oh yeah. I just apt-got bitcoind from ubuntu's repos
1045 2013-12-11 14:21:06 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Ubuntu's repos?
1046 2013-12-11 14:21:14 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I thought those were on 0.3.21?
1047 2013-12-11 14:21:20 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|0.3.24*
1048 2013-12-11 14:24:21 <maraoz> I'm on ubuntu-saucy-13.10.  http://packages.ubuntu.com/saucy/bitcoind
1049 2013-12-11 14:25:20 <maraoz> Maybe they updated them :)
1050 2013-12-11 14:25:30 <abishek> michagogo|cloud, it works if i set rpcallowip to * and not the IP address
1051 2013-12-11 14:25:58 <_MrB_> If you're on ubuntu, might as well use this ppa : https://launchpad.net/~bitcoin/+archive/bitcoin
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1053 2013-12-11 14:26:44 <maraoz> Thank you _MrB_!
1054 2013-12-11 14:27:06 <_MrB_> np
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1058 2013-12-11 14:32:45 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Hmm.
1059 2013-12-11 14:33:00 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I just ran a quick search on packages.ubuntu.com
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1061 2013-12-11 14:33:47 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|It appears that bitcoind and bitcoin-qt are in the repos: raring has 0.8.1, and saucy and trusty have 0.8.5
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1066 2013-12-11 14:35:31 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/b/bitcoin/bitcoin_0.8.5-1.dsc includes, in Build-Depends:, "libdb++-dev | libdb4.8++-dev"
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1068 2013-12-11 14:35:50 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Since there is no bdb 4.8 package for recent ubuntu...
1069 2013-12-11 14:36:23 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Does that mean that the Ubuntu repos are shipping bitcoin built with bdb 5.1?
1070 2013-12-11 14:37:43 <_MrB_> michagogo|cloud: aptitude show bitcoind will show you
1071 2013-12-11 14:38:01 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I don't have an Ubuntu machine
1072 2013-12-11 14:38:18 <helo> yup, linked to db5.1
1073 2013-12-11 14:38:24 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Uh.
1074 2013-12-11 14:38:32 <_MrB_> https://launchpad.net/~bitcoin/+archive/bitcoin are linked to libdb4.8
1075 2013-12-11 14:38:34 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|That's...
1076 2013-12-11 14:38:35 <helo> on saucy
1077 2013-12-11 14:38:41 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|not a good thing...
1078 2013-12-11 14:39:12 <maraoz> Depends: libboost-filesystem1.53.0, libboost-program-options1.53.0, libboost-system1.53.0, libboost-thread1.53.0, libc6 (>= 2.15), libdb5.1++, libgcc1 (>=
1079 2013-12-11 14:39:12 <maraoz>          1:4.1.1), libminiupnpc8 (>= 1.6), libssl1.0.0 (>= 1.0.0), libstdc++6 (>= 4.6)
1080 2013-12-11 14:39:12 <maraoz> Suggests: db-util, db4.8-util
1081 2013-12-11 14:39:31 <maraoz> Why is that not a good thing?
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1083 2013-12-11 14:39:46 <gmaxwell> maraoz: because it makes the wallet files incompatible with bitcoin built elsewhere
1084 2013-12-11 14:40:28 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|It also means that if anyone has installed and is using bitcoin from the Ubuntu repos, "add the ppa" is something that we can't tell people
1085 2013-12-11 14:40:34 <gmaxwell> meaning, once you've run their outdated binaries you're trapped.
1086 2013-12-11 14:40:36 <phantomcircuit> _MrB_, 4.8 cannot read 5.x
1087 2013-12-11 14:40:36 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(unless they just installed it)
1088 2013-12-11 14:40:37 <phantomcircuit> binaries are built against 4.8
1089 2013-12-11 14:40:39 <phantomcircuit> maraoz, so you can open your wallet with any version of bitcoind?
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1091 2013-12-11 14:40:56 <helo> maybe that's why it suggests db4.8-util?
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1093 2013-12-11 14:41:13 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Heh, to allow you to dump the db and reload it in 5.1?
1094 2013-12-11 14:41:16 <_MrB_> phantomcircuit: i know, that's why i pointed to the launchpad ppa which is 4.8 based
1095 2013-12-11 14:41:56 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|erm
1096 2013-12-11 14:42:04 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I mean the other way around
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1099 2013-12-11 14:43:04 <maraoz> Damn. So I shouldn't be using this package? I'll start again with the launchpad ppa package then
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1103 2013-12-11 14:44:25 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|maraoz: have you used it at all yet?
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1105 2013-12-11 14:44:40 <maraoz> Just run it for it to sync
1106 2013-12-11 14:44:45 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Specifically, have you a) run the software, and b) received any bitcoins or given out any addresses from the wallet?
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1110 2013-12-11 14:45:33 <maraoz> No, don't worry. I can just start over
1111 2013-12-11 14:45:36 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Okay, so uninstall the software, run `sudo add-apt-repository ppa:bitcoin/bitcoin`
1112 2013-12-11 14:45:47 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|then sudo apt-get update
1113 2013-12-11 14:45:54 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|and reinstall it
1114 2013-12-11 14:46:09 <maraoz> c: thanks for all the help guys
1115 2013-12-11 14:46:21 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|And run `rm ~/.bitcoin/wallet.dat` before you run the ppa version
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1117 2013-12-11 14:47:17 <helo> how about mv ~/.bitcoin/wallet.dat{,.db5.1}
1118 2013-12-11 14:47:37 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|helo: huh?
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1120 2013-12-11 14:48:01 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I don't know what that part at the end does, but this is an unused wallet
1121 2013-12-11 14:48:09 <helo> you wouldn't delete a car
1122 2013-12-11 14:48:16 <helo> why would you delete a private key?
1123 2013-12-11 14:48:36 <maraoz> I just wiped the entire .bitcoin/ dir, it's OK.
1124 2013-12-11 14:48:43 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|maraoz: uh
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1127 2013-12-11 14:48:49 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|there was absolutely no need to do that
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1130 2013-12-11 14:49:03 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|You just erased your syncing progress unnecessarily
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1134 2013-12-11 14:49:28 <maraoz> Really? Damn. I thought it was all useless, because of the db5.1 thing
1135 2013-12-11 14:49:32 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Anyway, if it's already done, I would recommend that you download bootstrap.dat from the torrent I linked you to earlier
1136 2013-12-11 14:49:39 <maraoz> Anyway I'll use the torrent. Yes!
1137 2013-12-11 14:49:55 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|maraoz: The only part of bitcoin that has anything to do with the db4.8/db5.1 issue is the wallet
1138 2013-12-11 14:50:08 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|maraoz: So just mkdir ~/.bitcoin
1139 2013-12-11 14:50:26 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|and put the ~9 GB torrent file in there before you run bitcoin
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1143 2013-12-11 14:53:34 <maraoz> Good to know. Thanks michagogo!
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1150 2013-12-11 15:01:08 <Cryo> I let 0.8.6 run all night after the first out of memory on osx, and it's stil got a year to process on the chain... using 2.5G! of real memory, 3.21G of virtual, so I expect it to crash again soon.
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1153 2013-12-11 15:02:50 <Cryo> if I could get a working compiling environment we could instrument it to death
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1155 2013-12-11 15:04:57 <gmaxwell> Cryo: there is nothing to instrument. We know why its using memory.
1156 2013-12-11 15:05:07 <Luke-Jr> Cryo: I'm not sure of the context of your comment, but I don't think there's much mystery to the memory issue (nor expected solution in 0.8.6)
1157 2013-12-11 15:05:31 <Cryo> 0.8.7?
1158 2013-12-11 15:05:49 <Luke-Jr> Cryo: it's not something that is a bug really; 0.9 perhaps
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1160 2013-12-11 15:06:12 <Luke-Jr> it's "fixed" by optimising things
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1171 2013-12-11 15:09:15 <stonecoldpat> nearly 30 minutes since last block... such a pain
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1182 2013-12-11 15:16:57 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|;;tslb
1183 2013-12-11 15:16:59 <gribble> Time since last block: 36 minutes and 44 seconds
1184 2013-12-11 15:17:12 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|;;tblb [calc 37 * 60]
1185 2013-12-11 15:17:13 <gribble> The expected time between blocks taking 37 minutes and 0 seconds to generate is 6 hours, 27 minutes, and 48 seconds
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1195 2013-12-11 15:29:32 <maraoz> ;;tblb [calc 4*60 * 60]
1196 2013-12-11 15:29:33 <gribble> The expected time between blocks taking 4 hours and 0 seconds to generate is 351780 years, 3 weeks, 5 days, 6 hours, 45 minutes, and 17 seconds
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1212 2013-12-11 15:41:02 <gribble> Time since last block: 10 minutes and 10 seconds
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1214 2013-12-11 15:41:12 <stonecoldpat> when doing ./bitcoind -reindex -txindex >>> whats the best way to know it has finished ?
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1218 2013-12-11 15:43:15 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|stonecoldpat: check the block count
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1220 2013-12-11 15:43:25 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|in getinfo
1221 2013-12-11 15:43:38 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|When you see it at about ,,blocks it's done
1222 2013-12-11 15:43:38 <gribble> 274348
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1224 2013-12-11 15:44:32 <Alina-malina> How can i programmatically find out the current exact balance of certain wallet address?
1225 2013-12-11 15:44:43 <pigeons> oh boy
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1231 2013-12-11 15:47:54 <helo> Alina-malina: does the rpc command 'listunspent' have what you need?
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1233 2013-12-11 15:49:06 <Alina-malina> just a moment i will try on qt console
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1237 2013-12-11 15:50:40 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Odd
1238 2013-12-11 15:50:53 <Alina-malina> helo, it returns an empty array
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1240 2013-12-11 15:51:04 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|How come Ubuntu has bitcoin 0.8.5 in saucy and trusty, but raring is at 0.8.1?
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1242 2013-12-11 15:51:36 <ThomasZ> michagogo|cloud: what is 'raring' ?
1243 2013-12-11 15:51:44 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|13.04
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1245 2013-12-11 15:52:00 <Tukotih_> michagogo|cloud: Later versions of ubuntu have later versions of software in default repos
1246 2013-12-11 15:52:07 <ThomasZ> michagogo|cloud: ah, right, they have silly names.  Probably want to ask in #ubuntu
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1249 2013-12-11 15:53:14 <helo> Alina-malina: i think that means the exact balance of all wallet addresses is zero
1250 2013-12-11 15:53:27 <maraoz> michagogo|cloud: Got the bootstrap.dat, but can't get bitcoind to use it. Do I need to do something special? I'm running daemon, server mode
1251 2013-12-11 15:53:40 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|maraoz: Is the file in ~/.bitcoin?
1252 2013-12-11 15:53:45 <Alina-malina> i am not sure it is 0 because on blockchat in shows it got just 69
1253 2013-12-11 15:54:13 <Alina-malina> helo, could you give me the command? maybe i am doing soemthing wrong/
1254 2013-12-11 15:54:34 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Alina-malina: what does getbalance return?
1255 2013-12-11 15:54:46 <maraoz> michagogo|cloud: yes. I don't know what could be wrong :o
1256 2013-12-11 15:54:54 <Alina-malina> nothing
1257 2013-12-11 15:55:06 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|maraoz: Was the file already there and fully downloaded when you ran bitcoind?
1258 2013-12-11 15:55:23 <Alina-malina> loool
1259 2013-12-11 15:55:25 <Alina-malina> it just returned
1260 2013-12-11 15:55:31 <Alina-malina> it says 0.000000
1261 2013-12-11 15:55:55 <maraoz> michagogo|cloud: Yes. Let me try again. I'll delete .bitcoin/ and start over
1262 2013-12-11 15:56:07 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|maraoz: No
1263 2013-12-11 15:56:10 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Don't do that!
1264 2013-12-11 15:56:23 <maraoz> I've moved bootstrap.dat first
1265 2013-12-11 15:56:27 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|again
1266 2013-12-11 15:56:29 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|stop
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1268 2013-12-11 15:56:33 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|no need to delete anything
1269 2013-12-11 15:56:43 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|maraoz: Pastebin the beginning of your debug.log
1270 2013-12-11 15:57:58 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(first couple hundred lines or so)
1271 2013-12-11 15:58:30 <maraoz> Here: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=h6NMqTnT
1272 2013-12-11 15:59:09 <ThomasZ> on that note, I copied my .bitcoin from my laptop to my desktop.  Can I just delete one or two files from my laptop to create a new wallet there?
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1274 2013-12-11 15:59:45 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|ThomasZ: Put blocks/ and chainstate/ in the new location
1275 2013-12-11 15:59:50 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Everything else will be regenerated
1276 2013-12-11 16:00:03 <ThomasZ> michagogo|cloud: cool, thanks
1277 2013-12-11 16:00:50 <Alina-malina> whatever address i pass to getbalance it returnes 0.000
1278 2013-12-11 16:00:59 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|maraoz: please pastebin about 10 times as many lines
1279 2013-12-11 16:01:10 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Alina-malina: try just `getbalance` without an address
1280 2013-12-11 16:01:20 <Alina-malina> michael_lee, same
1281 2013-12-11 16:01:26 <Alina-malina> michagogo|cloud, same
1282 2013-12-11 16:01:30 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|So your balance is 0
1283 2013-12-11 16:01:40 <Alina-malina> yes i want to try others balance check
1284 2013-12-11 16:01:41 <Alina-malina> not mine
1285 2013-12-11 16:01:44 <Alina-malina> is it possible?
1286 2013-12-11 16:01:45 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Ah
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1288 2013-12-11 16:01:52 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|No, you can't do that by default
1289 2013-12-11 16:02:01 <Alina-malina> oh
1290 2013-12-11 16:02:06 <Alina-malina> what i suppose to do?
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1292 2013-12-11 16:02:50 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Alina-malina: Use some other solution
1293 2013-12-11 16:03:02 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|bitcoind doesn't have that ability.
1294 2013-12-11 16:03:18 <Alina-malina> michael_lee, what other solution?
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1296 2013-12-11 16:04:13 <Alina-malina> michagogo|cloud, what is the solution then? I want to query current balace of certain wallet address
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1298 2013-12-11 16:04:20 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Alina-malina: You can either use an API like blockchain.info's or blockexplorer.com's
1299 2013-12-11 16:04:36 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Or find/write a tool that will build the indices for you
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1302 2013-12-11 16:05:07 <Alina-malina> michagogo|cloud, do you have one?
1303 2013-12-11 16:05:13 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|no
1304 2013-12-11 16:06:33 <Alina-malina> hmmm
1305 2013-12-11 16:06:35 <Alina-malina> strange
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1308 2013-12-11 16:08:23 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Alina-malina: What do you need balanced of arbitrary addresses for?
1309 2013-12-11 16:08:27 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|balances*
1310 2013-12-11 16:10:16 <maraoz> michagogo|cloud: sorry http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=tt7DVrsR
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1312 2013-12-11 16:13:39 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|maraoz: towards the end there, note the line
1313 2013-12-11 16:13:40 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Importing bootstrap.dat...
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1317 2013-12-11 16:15:12 <maraoz> So it worked? :D
1318 2013-12-11 16:15:17 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Seems to me that it is, in fact, loading from bootstrap.dat
1319 2013-12-11 16:15:32 <maraoz> oooh, I see. I just have to wait then.
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1327 2013-12-11 16:20:59 <BlueMatt> michagogo|cloud: yes, I'm around
1328 2013-12-11 16:21:05 <BlueMatt> a bit behind on the update, I know
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1330 2013-12-11 16:21:22 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|k
1331 2013-12-11 16:21:41 <wumpus> Alina-malina: there is a pull request somewhere that can add an index of arbitrary addresses to bitcoind, but it hasn't been maintained for a while
1332 2013-12-11 16:21:58 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|BlueMatt: BTW, what's actually involved in the process of upgrading the ppa for a new release?
1333 2013-12-11 16:22:03 <pigeons> talk to warren
1334 2013-12-11 16:22:12 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: IIRC that PR was actually closed w/o merging
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1336 2013-12-11 16:22:36 <wumpus> michagogo|cloud: I know, but I suppose the code can still be used
1337 2013-12-11 16:22:59 <wumpus> it's https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2802
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1346 2013-12-11 16:29:08 <BlueMatt> ;;seen jgarzik
1347 2013-12-11 16:29:09 <gribble> jgarzik was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 6 days, 0 hours, 45 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: <jgarzik> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1s5hzl/my_human_translation_of_the_china_regulation/
1348 2013-12-11 16:29:14 <BlueMatt> damn
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1350 2013-12-11 16:30:28 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, he said he had the flu on the mailing list
1351 2013-12-11 16:30:37 <BlueMatt> ahh, yes
1352 2013-12-11 16:30:43 <BlueMatt> well he needs to get better
1353 2013-12-11 16:30:55 <phantomcircuit> also hello
1354 2013-12-11 16:31:02 <BlueMatt> hi
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1356 2013-12-11 16:34:34 <amiller> i can't get my head around whether there are actually race conditions in the bloom filtering spv
1357 2013-12-11 16:35:01 <amiller> it seems like an spv client is pretty reliant on the bloom filters to be set correctly otherwise it will think it has something that has already been spent
1358 2013-12-11 16:35:21 <amiller> i guess in typical use cases (the wallet has generated its own keys, we're not importing weird backups after a storage failure) it's fine...
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1361 2013-12-11 16:35:55 <amiller> but basically the problem is that bloom filter updates don't propagate upstream
1362 2013-12-11 16:36:08 <amiller> so the sequence that would fail is:
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1364 2013-12-11 16:36:50 <amiller> 1. wallet receives a payment, now this outpoint is automatically added to the bloom filter because we'd want to know if this txout is spent
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1367 2013-12-11 16:37:21 <amiller> 2. client sends a transaction spending it, but crashes and loses data (okay, this is a bit contrived)
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1370 2013-12-11 16:38:34 <amiller> 3. client reconnects and loads the wrong filter... basically.... actually nothing goes wrong in this example assuming the client rereads the block with the relevant filter.
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1391 2013-12-11 16:54:09 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Question: What happens if you try to run bitcoin compiled with bdb 4.8, with a wallet that's been opened in 5.1?
1392 2013-12-11 16:54:34 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Is the failure easily identifiable as being the bdb incompatibility?
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1395 2013-12-11 16:57:58 <gmaxwell> michagogo|cloud: IIRC, no.
1396 2013-12-11 16:58:22 <wumpus> AFAIK no, it just gets very confused and errors out with some vague message
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1398 2013-12-11 16:58:34 <gmaxwell> in in fact I think if you google the error you get, you get suprrious advice telling you to delete your blockchain.
1399 2013-12-11 16:58:46 <bitnumus> quick question, why is the reference client not licensed so that popup scamcoin forks can't occur legally ?
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1401 2013-12-11 16:59:05 <wumpus> gmaxwell: .... ehhh we need to check that
1402 2013-12-11 16:59:14 <wumpus> that's almost comical so wrong
1403 2013-12-11 16:59:44 <gmaxwell> bitnumus: because popup scamcoins don't care about operating lawfully regardless (some donn't— in fact), and you walk a very fine line with breaking the decenteralization.
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1406 2013-12-11 17:00:28 <bitnumus> surely there is a fitting license that would stop them to a degree
1407 2013-12-11 17:00:29 <gmaxwell> wumpus: because its the same errors you'd get with the old bdb based blockindex that you'd get when it got corrupted.
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1409 2013-12-11 17:00:40 <gmaxwell> bitnumus: e.g. peertopeer coin has a restrictive license, and novacoin still copied it.
1410 2013-12-11 17:01:13 <bitnumus> still means someone is to be held accountable, and if it was worthwhile they could be
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1412 2013-12-11 17:01:23 <gmaxwell> bitnumus: they're run anonymously.
1413 2013-12-11 17:01:24 <wumpus> bitnumus: I don't care to stop them, let them experiment with silly blockchains if they want
1414 2013-12-11 17:01:34 <gmaxwell> in any case, the ship has sailed, they're all based on old buggy code in any case.
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1416 2013-12-11 17:02:03 <bitnumus> so, can't you update the licensing for .9
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1418 2013-12-11 17:02:08 <bitnumus> so that they don't steal all your hard work
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1420 2013-12-11 17:02:16 <bitnumus> i'm fed up of reading about alternative coins, that are all forks
1421 2013-12-11 17:02:22 <bitnumus> is there even another alt that isnt a fork ?
1422 2013-12-11 17:02:31 <pigeons> well open source is open source
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1425 2013-12-11 17:02:54 <bitnumus> pigeons, not really it depends on the license
1426 2013-12-11 17:02:56 <gmaxwell> bitnumus: please read what I write.
1427 2013-12-11 17:03:55 <bitnumus> gmaxwell, doesn't stop them taking new code, making the couple of changes they made the first time round and releasing it as an update
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1431 2013-12-11 17:04:13 <bitnumus> but w.e, seems nobody cares
1432 2013-12-11 17:04:28 <bitnumus> i see it as a huge problem still
1433 2013-12-11 17:05:05 <gmaxwell> bitnumus: they already don't take the new code.
1434 2013-12-11 17:05:39 <bitnumus> they will at some point
1435 2013-12-11 17:05:45 <gmaxwell> And if the software had a restrictive license it would be less decenteralized because the authors of it would have greater freedoms than the public.
1436 2013-12-11 17:05:52 <bitnumus> is charlie or w.e the litecoin dev is updating on his own then?
1437 2013-12-11 17:05:57 <saracen> bitnumus: There are now a bunch of other bitcoin clients. There would be nothing to stop them creating an alt-coin with one of these, even if the official client became uncopyable.
1438 2013-12-11 17:06:22 <gmaxwell> bitnumus: history has generally not supported that, worse because they use old code what value they learn from the attacks on them is seldom of use to us when it would be otherwise if it were current.
1439 2013-12-11 17:06:54 <bitnumus> this QRK coin team just created $50,000,000 in value from your code, and you aren't even slightly bothered?
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1441 2013-12-11 17:07:13 <bitnumus> i have even more respect if thats the case :)
1442 2013-12-11 17:07:26 <bitnumus> i hope they donate thats all i can say
1443 2013-12-11 17:08:40 <gmaxwell> that value is 99.99% fictitious in any case, but no— I mostly don't care. Though I do worry for the buyers when they eventually find that no one is maintaining the software.
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1445 2013-12-11 17:09:57 <saracen> bitnumus: Do you think the openssl team are pissed with Bitcoin devs?
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1451 2013-12-11 17:17:33 <wumpus> classic case of 'buyer beware', the holders of large amounts of a coin also have a kind of responsibility to make sure that development keeps happening
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1464 2013-12-11 17:26:55 <Denim-jdev> Is there a system in place for people to donate to devs to give incentive other than the bitcoin foundation?
1465 2013-12-11 17:26:56 <ThomasZ> wumpus: at minimum its in their best interest.  Not sure if  its a responsibility per se.
1466 2013-12-11 17:28:33 <ThomasZ> Denim-jdev: money and open source is tricky. ;)
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1470 2013-12-11 17:31:31 <Belxjander> ThomasV: easiest thing I have seen is to wave money towards a wanted feature and see if the dev agrees to do it
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1477 2013-12-11 17:35:26 <Blaster> how long does a confirmation usually take on testnet?
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1479 2013-12-11 17:37:54 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Blaster: up to 20 minutes
1480 2013-12-11 17:38:21 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(testnet has a special rule allowing a difficulty-1 block to be mined if no blocks are found for 20 minutes)
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1483 2013-12-11 17:38:46 <Blaster> why is that a beneficial feature?
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1486 2013-12-11 17:40:04 <Blaster> because no one is mining?
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1489 2013-12-11 17:42:02 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, any opinion on
1490 2013-12-11 17:42:03 <phantomcircuit> https://github.com/pstratem/bitcoin/commit/de4c66a7492da3816257f7d19d34eaf760e3c21a
1491 2013-12-11 17:42:04 <andytoshi> Blaster: because testnet has no value, so people routinely forget to mine on it
1492 2013-12-11 17:42:04 <phantomcircuit> vs
1493 2013-12-11 17:42:10 <phantomcircuit> https://code.google.com/p/leveldb/source/browse/util/env_posix.cc#178
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1495 2013-12-11 17:42:23 <andytoshi> also it's nice that i can pick up some testnet coins every so often with my CPU
1496 2013-12-11 17:42:42 <Blaster> if testnet is so invaluable send 500 BTC to muDKLCzGZdBb6JnLYVV7QK1jvmUVh8e9NW
1497 2013-12-11 17:42:56 <jgarzik> BlueMatt, *poof*
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1499 2013-12-11 17:43:37 <phantomcircuit> ha
1500 2013-12-11 17:43:49 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Blaster: I'd do it if I were at my machine
1501 2013-12-11 17:44:10 <phantomcircuit> home_jg, same question as the one above to gmaxwell
1502 2013-12-11 17:46:29 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Oh.
1503 2013-12-11 17:46:31 <andytoshi> Blaster: sent 100, i don't have 500 :)
1504 2013-12-11 17:46:51 <Blaster> I am rich
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1506 2013-12-11 17:46:58 <Blaster> thanks andytoshi
1507 2013-12-11 17:47:18 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|So it turns out that the reason Ubuntu repos ship such outdated versions of Bitcoin is that once a release is, er, released, packages aren't updated
1508 2013-12-11 17:47:39 <andytoshi> that can't be right, 'apt-get update' does something doesn't it?
1509 2013-12-11 17:47:44 <andytoshi> or do i mean 'apt-get upgrade'
1510 2013-12-11 17:47:50 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|So Precise is frozen at Bitcoin 0.3.24
1511 2013-12-11 17:48:01 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Raring is frozen at 0.8.1
1512 2013-12-11 17:48:08 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Saucy is frozen at 0.8.5
1513 2013-12-11 17:48:18 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|andytoshi: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
1514 2013-12-11 17:48:43 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|apt-get upgrade upgrades a package when an update is added to the repo
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1516 2013-12-11 17:48:54 <kjj> I think I found a bug in bip10.  the good news is that it isn't that bad
1517 2013-12-11 17:48:54 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|But in most cases, policy is to not update the packages in the repo
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1528 2013-12-11 17:57:44 <wumpus> I don't get it... I just downgraded my libbdb++-dev from 5.1 to 4.8, rebuilt bitcoind, and it simply works...
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1532 2013-12-11 17:58:50 <wumpus> not even a warning in debug.log. I must be doing something wrong 
1533 2013-12-11 17:58:52 <andytoshi> people have been struck by lightning, felt fine, then died hours later
1534 2013-12-11 17:59:07 <andytoshi> sometimes things seem to have worked out :)
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1536 2013-12-11 17:59:35 <wumpus> heh indeed, it could have been a chance occurence
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1538 2013-12-11 18:00:21 <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: you saw leveldb 1.15?
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1540 2013-12-11 18:00:57 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, yeah, they appear to have more or less done the exact same thing except they're using stdio functions instead of write
1541 2013-12-11 18:01:15 <phantomcircuit> (and he has fdatasync in two places instead of just calling ::Flush)
1542 2013-12-11 18:01:41 <phantomcircuit> sipa says there was discussion about fwrite_unlock vs write on their mailing list but i cant find it
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1548 2013-12-11 18:05:13 <gmaxwell> wumpus: is it grabbing the right one?
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1554 2013-12-11 18:13:32 <phantomcircuit> lol
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1556 2013-12-11 18:13:52 <phantomcircuit> the ticket i opened asking apple to clarify msync MS_SYNC behavior has been tagged Rank:No Value
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1561 2013-12-11 18:18:33 <jgarzik> gabba gabba hey
1562 2013-12-11 18:18:50 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, hello
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1571 2013-12-11 18:36:28 <ThomasZ> phantomcircuit: reply to the ticket and ask if they have a bitcoin address where you can transfer some 'value' to ;)
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1573 2013-12-11 18:36:58 <ThomasZ> phantomcircuit: since apple seems to loothe bitcoin, I doubt they will understand.
1574 2013-12-11 18:37:00 <ahmedbodi> hey guys
1575 2013-12-11 18:37:18 <ahmedbodi> im trying to setup a testnet bitcoin merged mining pool
1576 2013-12-11 18:37:31 <ahmedbodi> and i need some advice on using merged mining proxy with stratum
1577 2013-12-11 18:37:45 <ahmedbodi> (dont want to use eloipool unless completely neccesary)
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1579 2013-12-11 18:38:38 <wumpus> Error: Error initializing wallet database environment 
1580 2013-12-11 18:38:58 <wumpus> gmaxwell: seems it was grabbing the wrong one; but that's the error that you get
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1582 2013-12-11 18:39:36 <wumpus> 2013-12-11 18:34:49 ERROR: CDB() : error Invalid argument (22) opening database environment
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1586 2013-12-11 18:40:06 <wumpus> so it's not clear from the error that it's a compatibility issue, but it doesn't suggest deleting the blockchain either
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1593 2013-12-11 18:46:33 <gmaxwell> wumpus: this is the feeling lucky hit on the second error for me, https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/997  on hte other message, apparently I already fixed that in 124f823714ef6ddada47d65da0627ddeab0cb102  I had no recollection of that.
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1605 2013-12-11 18:57:20 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: 18:54:59 <@gmaxwell> in in fact I think if you google the error you get...
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1621 2013-12-11 19:04:05 <wumpus> michagogo|cloud: what are you trying to say?
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1623 2013-12-11 19:04:24 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|That was a response to 20:36:31 <wumpus> so it's not clear from the error that it's a compatibility issue, but it doesn't suggest deleting the blockchain either
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1628 2013-12-11 19:07:20 <wumpus> in any case, we could add a warning about incompatible bdb versions
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1631 2013-12-11 19:08:01 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|By the way, am I correct in thinking that a 0.3.24 client would be completely unable to function today?
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1633 2013-12-11 19:08:49 <gmaxwell> michagogo|cloud: no, it _might_ manage to sync up.
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1635 2013-12-11 19:09:37 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Oh, is the only actual obstacle the March fork?
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1639 2013-12-11 19:10:52 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I've been thinking about the older versions that Ubuntu's shipping in its Universe repositories (http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=bitcoin&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all)
1640 2013-12-11 19:11:18 <gmaxwell> michagogo|cloud: for the most part.
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1646 2013-12-11 19:12:17 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I'm wondering if there's anything at all that can be done about the problem
1647 2013-12-11 19:12:31 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(on Ubuntu's side)
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1649 2013-12-11 19:12:53 <TD> yeah. they shouldn't ship software they can't keep up to date
1650 2013-12-11 19:13:03 <TD> and they know that but will never change.
1651 2013-12-11 19:13:11 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Yeah, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
1652 2013-12-11 19:13:24 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|There *is* a special-case exception list
1653 2013-12-11 19:13:39 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates/MicroReleaseExceptions
1654 2013-12-11 19:13:52 <wumpus> ubuntu should just remove the package
1655 2013-12-11 19:14:14 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: Yeah, I agree that would be the best-case scenario
1656 2013-12-11 19:14:34 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I was thinking of writing to the Masters Of The Universe and starting a discussion about it
1657 2013-12-11 19:14:37 <wumpus> the bitcoin code is not stable enough to be in long-term releases yet
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1659 2013-12-11 19:15:15 <jgarzik> indeed
1660 2013-12-11 19:15:47 * jgarzik sighs.  One on a long list of projects I wanted to tackle (writing a "bitcoin for distros" whitepaper, about all the ways standard distro practices can screw bitcoin users)
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1662 2013-12-11 19:15:59 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I actually talked to Scott Howard about it
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1664 2013-12-11 19:16:21 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|He's one of the maintainers of the Debian repos
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1667 2013-12-11 19:16:43 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Specifically, the Debian Bitcoin Packaging Team
1668 2013-12-11 19:16:43 <wumpus> jgarzik: yes, another one would be their insistence to use the system leveldb
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1671 2013-12-11 19:17:28 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|http://pastebin.com/8va5Agzm
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1673 2013-12-11 19:17:40 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: Debian and Ubuntu actually don't have that problem
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1675 2013-12-11 19:18:18 <wumpus> michagogo|cloud: right, but there was a distribution with that problem
1676 2013-12-11 19:18:58 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Debian's comment on the issue:
1677 2013-12-11 19:18:58 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Per discussions with upstream [1], Bitcoin cannot use system libraries for the
1678 2013-12-11 19:18:58 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|libraries included with the bitcoin source. This is because system libraries may
1679 2013-12-11 19:18:58 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|be patched without Bitcoin testing.
1680 2013-12-11 19:19:07 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|eep, more linebreaks than I intended
1681 2013-12-11 19:19:28 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|[1] is actually jgarzik's post
1682 2013-12-11 19:19:40 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|His 0xDEADBEEF example
1683 2013-12-11 19:19:58 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: they could be using the stable branches
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1685 2013-12-11 19:20:02 <Luke-Jr> but 0.3 is too old for that
1686 2013-12-11 19:20:51 <ahmedbodi> does anyone here know how i can use the merged mining proxy with stratum?
1687 2013-12-11 19:21:03 <Luke-Jr> ahmedbodi: you can't.
1688 2013-12-11 19:21:26 <ahmedbodi> Luke-Jr: so how does eloipool handle it?
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1690 2013-12-11 19:22:25 <ahmedbodi> or more specifically in what commit was merged mining support added?
1691 2013-12-11 19:23:24 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Hm, I wonder if, on our end, we could possibly meet the criteria for an Ubuntu https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates/MicroReleaseExceptions
1692 2013-12-11 19:23:38 <Luke-Jr> ahmedbodi: it doesn't use a proxy
1693 2013-12-11 19:23:51 <Luke-Jr> michagogo|cloud: that's what the stable branches do
1694 2013-12-11 19:24:06 <ahmedbodi> Luke-Jr: so it has built in code to handle merged mining
1695 2013-12-11 19:24:13 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Luke-Jr: Hmm?
1696 2013-12-11 19:24:14 <ahmedbodi> which files is it in?
1697 2013-12-11 19:24:29 <Luke-Jr> michagogo|cloud: 0.4.x, 0.5.x, 0.6.x, 0.7.x, and 0.8.x branches
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1699 2013-12-11 19:24:42 <warren> uhuh
1700 2013-12-11 19:24:50 <warren> leveldb-1.15 dropped mmap
1701 2013-12-11 19:24:58 <Luke-Jr> michagogo|cloud: bugfixes only
1702 2013-12-11 19:24:59 <warren> differently from how 0.8.6 patched it
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1704 2013-12-11 19:25:25 <Luke-Jr> warren: on all platforms?
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1706 2013-12-11 19:25:32 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Are there 0.4.x, 0.5.x, 0.6.x, and 0.7.x branches that are still current/usable?
1707 2013-12-11 19:25:41 <Luke-Jr> michagogo|cloud: yes, that's the point
1708 2013-12-11 19:26:09 <Luke-Jr> (though they're slow obviously)
1709 2013-12-11 19:26:13 <warren> Luke-Jr: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/3340#issuecomment-30332934
1710 2013-12-11 19:26:19 <ahmedbodi> Luke-Jr: ?
1711 2013-12-11 19:27:16 <jgarzik> stdio?  puke.
1712 2013-12-11 19:27:19 <warren> Luke-Jr: 0.8.6 released with a seemingly stable implementation (zero reports of corruption since)
1713 2013-12-11 19:27:30 <warren> Luke-Jr: leveldb-1.15 also included cfields mem barrier patch
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1715 2013-12-11 19:28:13 <warren> Luke-Jr: which was also included in 0.8.6
1716 2013-12-11 19:28:15 <Luke-Jr> warren: I'm aware
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1720 2013-12-11 19:28:37 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, lol
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1722 2013-12-11 19:28:42 <phantomcircuit> that's what i thought
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1724 2013-12-11 19:29:14 <jgarzik> stdio is yet another layer, with attendant potential for problems
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1726 2013-12-11 19:30:50 <warren> 0.8.6 is fine for now, wait to decide what to do in master?
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1728 2013-12-11 19:31:03 <warren> brb
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1731 2013-12-11 19:32:36 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, also notice how they call fdatasync twice instead of calling Flush drom Sync
1732 2013-12-11 19:32:39 <phantomcircuit> from*
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1752 2013-12-11 19:45:35 <alex_fun> hey folks
1753 2013-12-11 19:46:08 <alex_fun> if some coin got diff genesis block but same magic and ports it means they are going to fck eachother network?
1754 2013-12-11 19:46:09 <alex_fun> :D
1755 2013-12-11 19:46:36 <alex_fun> I think many new coins are kinda funky and can be messed with easily
1756 2013-12-11 19:47:20 <phantomcircuit> alex_fun, it means their networks will connect to each other and cause some wasted bandwidth and stuff
1757 2013-12-11 19:47:23 <phantomcircuit> but that's mostly i
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1759 2013-12-11 19:47:39 <alex_fun> yes it can create alot of noise
1760 2013-12-11 19:47:45 <quellhorst> anyone use money-tree? needing some help
1761 2013-12-11 19:47:56 <alex_fun> if network B is way larger that network A
1762 2013-12-11 19:48:24 <alex_fun> as nodes would try so send hashes into wrong chain lol
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1765 2013-12-11 19:51:39 <alex_fun> yac coin so far seems most innovative after btc and ltc
1766 2013-12-11 19:51:45 <alex_fun> btc/ltc/yac
1767 2013-12-11 19:51:58 <alex_fun> at least he/she coded new mining algo
1768 2013-12-11 19:52:21 <pigeons> no it just does what scrypt was supposed to do
1769 2013-12-11 19:52:31 <Luke-Jr> alex_fun: this is #bitcoin-dev; neither of the scamcoins you mentioned have any real innovation
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1772 2013-12-11 19:53:42 <alex_fun> yac has
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1774 2013-12-11 19:53:50 <alex_fun> its added new mining algo as u know
1775 2013-12-11 19:54:00 <alex_fun> and litecoin added scrypt
1776 2013-12-11 19:54:10 <Luke-Jr> mining algos are not innovation.
1777 2013-12-11 19:54:21 <Luke-Jr> especially broken ones like scrypt
1778 2013-12-11 19:54:49 <pigeons> and litecoin is a clone of a clone of the one that added scrypt pasted from tarsnap
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1780 2013-12-11 19:55:18 <alex_fun> yes litecoin cloned tenebrix and fairbrix
1781 2013-12-11 19:55:24 <alex_fun> or whatever they called
1782 2013-12-11 19:55:28 <alex_fun> true that
1783 2013-12-11 19:55:38 <Luke-Jr> in any case, scamcoins are off-topic here
1784 2013-12-11 19:56:13 <alex_fun> Luke-Jr as you are aware apart of this chanell nowhere else crypto dev is discussed on IRC
1785 2013-12-11 19:56:17 <alex_fun> weird ehh
1786 2013-12-11 19:56:26 <alex_fun> channel
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1789 2013-12-11 19:57:00 <alex_fun> well anyway that leaves Yac as top presently active innovator then
1790 2013-12-11 19:57:48 <Luke-Jr> alex_fun: this channel is for *bitcoin* dev
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1792 2013-12-11 19:58:45 <alex_fun> Luke do you know some good general crypto dev channels?
1793 2013-12-11 19:58:51 <alex_fun> as you are pretty much into it alot
1794 2013-12-11 19:59:06 <alex_fun> I happily chat there
1795 2013-12-11 20:00:10 <pigeons> it gets confusing i think people are talking about cryptography when the mean bitcoin forks by "crypto"
1796 2013-12-11 20:00:29 <alex_fun> pigeon define bitcoin fork
1797 2013-12-11 20:00:43 <alex_fun> imo bitcoin is build on satoshi white paper
1798 2013-12-11 20:00:48 <alex_fun> as one of the crypto coins
1799 2013-12-11 20:00:50 <alex_fun> a first one
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1801 2013-12-11 20:01:11 <alex_fun> now if there is invention of general method to make car
1802 2013-12-11 20:01:24 <alex_fun> and first car is ford, are all cars then forks?
1803 2013-12-11 20:01:26 <alex_fun> or what
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1805 2013-12-11 20:01:55 <alex_fun> anyways it does not add to dev discussion
1806 2013-12-11 20:01:59 <alex_fun> :)
1807 2013-12-11 20:02:18 <alex_fun> if someone knows good general channel kindly advice me :)
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1811 2013-12-11 20:04:07 <Luke-Jr> alex_fun: I don't know any channel for worthless algorithm changes.
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1816 2013-12-11 20:04:46 <alex_fun> :)
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1818 2013-12-11 20:05:50 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(if you haven't noticed, Luke-Jr's opinions tend to be very, very strong)
1819 2013-12-11 20:06:13 <alex_fun> hehe why
1820 2013-12-11 20:06:14 <alex_fun> he is nice
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1822 2013-12-11 20:06:23 <alex_fun> variety can be fun
1823 2013-12-11 20:06:48 <Luke-Jr> because scammers love worthless algorithm changes to rip idiots off
1824 2013-12-11 20:07:09 <alex_fun> thats an interesting opinion not :D
1825 2013-12-11 20:09:04 <Luke-Jr> it's not really an opinion.
1826 2013-12-11 20:09:31 <alex_fun> BFGMiner is short for "St. Barbara's Faithfully Glorified Mining Initiative Naturally Exceeding Rivals"
1827 2013-12-11 20:09:39 <alex_fun> hmm thats lol
1828 2013-12-11 20:09:50 <Apocalyptic> heh, Luke is taking the bait
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1830 2013-12-11 20:10:07 <alex_fun> there is 5 star hotel called Barbara :)
1831 2013-12-11 20:10:18 <jgarzik> Just mention tonal, and luke cannot help but reply.
1832 2013-12-11 20:11:06 <alex_fun> but to be fair  now
1833 2013-12-11 20:11:38 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, this is an time I will reply from a different computer
1834 2013-12-11 20:11:58 <alex_fun> Luke - Litecoin unbelivebly kool executive
1835 2013-12-11 20:12:00 <alex_fun> :)
1836 2013-12-11 20:12:09 <alex_fun> Luke busted :P
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1843 2013-12-11 20:25:29 <warren> Luke-Jr: just ban him already
1844 2013-12-11 20:26:04 <Luke-Jr> warren: ?
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1854 2013-12-11 20:32:39 <netg> how big is the testnet blockchain?
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1856 2013-12-11 20:34:01 <lianj> netg: about 289M
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1860 2013-12-11 20:36:38 <netg> thank you
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1865 2013-12-11 20:41:32 <gbg> test
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1873 2013-12-11 20:46:48 <jgarzik> netg, 153,334 blocks
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1877 2013-12-11 20:48:25 <netg> thank you (respect for satellite project, also)
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1879 2013-12-11 20:50:59 <jgarzik> hehe
1880 2013-12-11 20:53:18 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|jgarzik: What kind of equipment would one need to pick up the bitcoin-sat's signal?
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1882 2013-12-11 20:53:55 <kanzure> jgarzik: any specs on its software, or exisitng repo?
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1887 2013-12-11 20:55:35 <jgarzik> michagogo|cloud, That is what we are working on right now, nailing that down.  The project requirement is that a ground receiver must be within the realm of a "serious hobbyist"   No idea yet whether that means a big dish, external 30' antenna, or a tiny USB dongle
1888 2013-12-11 20:56:38 <jgarzik> michagogo|cloud, frequency selection is a major decision, from which almost everything else derives: ground station transmission, reception, cubesat power requirements, ...
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1891 2013-12-11 20:56:55 <jgarzik> kanzure, not yet
1892 2013-12-11 20:56:59 <kanzure> hm, yeah it would be interesting to do big dish plus sdr for bitcoin programming (i'm sure something could be arranged over current ham)
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1894 2013-12-11 20:57:14 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Would that kind of thing need coordination with assorted regulatory agencies?
1895 2013-12-11 20:57:31 <kanzure> i'm not sure each cubesat gets regulatory approval
1896 2013-12-11 20:57:35 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|w^hive: yes.
1897 2013-12-11 20:57:58 <kanzure> iirc there were lots of nanosats crowdfunded projects which were basically "we'll launch 1000 projects" and i don't know how those would all be reviewed by dinosaurs
1898 2013-12-11 20:58:40 <phantomcircuit> possibly a nanosat is small enough to be of no real risk
1899 2013-12-11 20:58:40 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|w^hive: Not "exists"
1900 2013-12-11 20:58:52 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|But rather, is being talked about and considered
1901 2013-12-11 20:58:58 <kanzure> phantomcircuit: i think the main concern would be the software running on it too
1902 2013-12-11 20:59:12 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Also, just talk in the channel, don't PM me
1903 2013-12-11 20:59:32 <phantomcircuit> kanzure, you're not going to have enough power in a nanosat to really cause any significant issues
1904 2013-12-11 21:00:02 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(you'll need to identify to NickServ, or register with it if you haven't already)
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1910 2013-12-11 21:07:02 <jgarzik> michagogo|cloud, RE regulatory agencies:  "it depends" ... on frequency selection
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1912 2013-12-11 21:07:18 <jgarzik> a non-profit project with amateur radio frequencies is a possibility
1913 2013-12-11 21:07:34 <jgarzik> other frequencies would require various approvals
1914 2013-12-11 21:08:08 <jgarzik> and, fun, unrelated trivia:  putting a camera of any sort, even an iPhone camera, on the cubesat suddenly boosts it into the category of "spy satellite" and requires reams of approval and paperwork
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1916 2013-12-11 21:09:05 <kanzure> but camera is probably one of the best ways to assess stuff like damage :/
1917 2013-12-11 21:09:06 <jgarzik> kanzure, michagogo|cloud:  speaking generally, cubesats do not require regulatory approval, in and of themselves.  it's mainly about what the sat does.
1918 2013-12-11 21:09:06 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|How much will this thing have in terms of storage, processing power, etc?
1919 2013-12-11 21:09:13 <kanzure> ah, thanks
1920 2013-12-11 21:09:23 <jgarzik> If you want to launch a box of rocks, nobody will care. near zero paperwork.
1921 2013-12-11 21:09:44 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Is it going to run some kind of OS that you'll be able to control from Earth?
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1923 2013-12-11 21:09:57 <jgarzik> michagogo|cloud, processing power on par with an 500 Mhz ARM processor, thereabouts
1924 2013-12-11 21:10:17 <jgarzik> michagogo|cloud, storage, near zero.  enough for redundancy of firmware
1925 2013-12-11 21:10:21 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Will it be a validating node?
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1927 2013-12-11 21:10:27 <jgarzik> michagogo|cloud, not a node at all
1928 2013-12-11 21:10:36 <jgarzik> michagogo|cloud, just a dumb transceiver
1929 2013-12-11 21:10:48 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Oh.
1930 2013-12-11 21:10:53 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|What will it actually *do*?
1931 2013-12-11 21:11:11 <jgarzik> michagogo|cloud, broadcast the latest blocks
1932 2013-12-11 21:11:18 <jgarzik> maybe transactions too
1933 2013-12-11 21:11:22 <jgarzik> if bandwidth permits
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1935 2013-12-11 21:11:43 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|How does it know what to transmit?
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1937 2013-12-11 21:12:14 <jgarzik> michagogo|cloud, it transmits what ground stations tell it to transmit
1938 2013-12-11 21:12:36 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Will it be authenticated?
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1940 2013-12-11 21:12:42 <jgarzik> yes
1941 2013-12-11 21:13:05 <jgarzik> michagogo|cloud, upload to satellite must be digitally signed.  download from satellite will be free to all
1942 2013-12-11 21:13:17 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|How will you handle the routine 1-2 block forks?
1943 2013-12-11 21:13:27 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|And who gets upload rights?
1944 2013-12-11 21:13:57 <jgarzik> michagogo|cloud, Transmit the most recent blocks, plural, over and over again
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1946 2013-12-11 21:14:10 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|How many, though?
1947 2013-12-11 21:14:21 <jgarzik> michagogo|cloud, depends on hardware specs
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1949 2013-12-11 21:15:26 <jgarzik> michagogo|cloud, upload will be from secured ground stations all over the world.  sats will be orbiting, so one ground station (or any given receiver) may not reach a sat 100% of the time.
1950 2013-12-11 21:15:26 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Sounds like a really cool project.
1951 2013-12-11 21:15:45 <berndj> full blocks or just headers?
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1954 2013-12-11 21:17:13 <jgarzik> full blocks, but headers and TXs have value too.  Might do something like <blocks> <headers headers header> <blocks> if bandwidth permits
1955 2013-12-11 21:17:38 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|It would be kinda cool if you could allow anyone to send requests for blocks, that would be relayed to the ground stations, and then the ground stations could use that to push historical blocks when necessary
1956 2013-12-11 21:17:52 <berndj> just thinking of bw requirements. if block headers only, it'd be nearly trivial to get the signal without any dish
1957 2013-12-11 21:17:53 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(I know, I know, it's much harder to send a signal than to receive it)
1958 2013-12-11 21:18:30 <jgarzik> berndj, yep
1959 2013-12-11 21:18:35 <jgarzik> lots of possibilities
1960 2013-12-11 21:18:36 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|How big is the current historical set of headers?
1961 2013-12-11 21:18:40 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(all ,,blocks of them)
1962 2013-12-11 21:18:41 <gribble> 274389
1963 2013-12-11 21:18:46 <jgarzik> I'm open to ideas too!
1964 2013-12-11 21:19:28 <berndj> jgarzik, i'd been thinking of blocks-in-nntp but that doesn't require space stuff. space stuff is a million times cooler
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1966 2013-12-11 21:20:04 <jgarzik> berndj, it's still a good idea, like petertodd's block-headers-over-twitter
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1968 2013-12-11 21:20:30 <jgarzik> I'm all for alternate means of publishing blocks
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1970 2013-12-11 21:20:47 <berndj> i'm late to the convo though; what's this all about - diversifying link tech to make sybil attacks harder?
1971 2013-12-11 21:21:17 <gmaxwell> well, one interesting thought might be to also support an optical uplink on the sat. Much harder to jam. :P though intermittent since you could only reach it when it was overhead.
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1989 2013-12-11 21:32:09 <wizkid057> Hi guys.  Generally I try not to ask for favors, but, can anyone who is knowledgable and has a moment take a second to explain on the Eligius thread on bitcointalk that a mining pool can not cause mining hardware to have a change in hardware errors?  I think this is obvious, since a hardware error is an issue with hardware by definition, but, there seems to be quite a bit of FUD spreading
1990 2013-12-11 21:32:09 <wizkid057> going on... :-\
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1992 2013-12-11 21:33:43 <jgarzik> wizkid057, well
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1994 2013-12-11 21:33:54 <jgarzik> wizkid057, eligius has caused my Avalon to shit themselves in the past
1995 2013-12-11 21:34:00 <jgarzik> wizkid057, so, not volunteering
1996 2013-12-11 21:34:16 <wizkid057> jgarzik: thats a known issue with the old version of cgminer on avalon and large coinbase txns
1997 2013-12-11 21:34:25 <jgarzik> wizkid057, nod
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1999 2013-12-11 21:34:34 <wizkid057> it did not cause HW error % to increase, as people are claiming
2000 2013-12-11 21:34:46 <wizkid057> *as people are claiming Eligius does to KNC devices
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2002 2013-12-11 21:34:53 <jgarzik> wizkid057, nod.  but it did set a precedent for that type of thing
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2004 2013-12-11 21:34:59 <jgarzik> wizkid057, I wonder if it's vardiff
2005 2013-12-11 21:35:16 <wizkid057> how can vardiff cause "hardware errors"?
2006 2013-12-11 21:35:27 <wizkid057> cgminer and bfgminer handle vardiff correctly
2007 2013-12-11 21:35:44 <jgarzik> wizkid057, it will not /cause/ hardware errors, but could fool people into thinking such
2008 2013-12-11 21:36:03 <gmaxwell> wizkid057: you can cause "hardware errors" on avalon with too much traffic on the serial link.
2009 2013-12-11 21:36:19 <gmaxwell> It can lose sync and then all the data is garbage until it times out and resets it.
2010 2013-12-11 21:36:26 <gmaxwell> because its @#$# stupid.
2011 2013-12-11 21:36:36 <wizkid057> gmaxwell: thats a hardware issue
2012 2013-12-11 21:37:04 <jgarzik> nevertheless
2013 2013-12-11 21:37:06 <wizkid057> still nothing to do with pool choice
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2015 2013-12-11 21:38:05 <wizkid057> the amount of data on the link to the hardware itself cant be effected by the pool... the mining software generates the midstate used by the hardware and the amount of data there would remain constant regardless of pool choice
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2018 2013-12-11 21:38:50 <jgarzik> wizkid057, the ultimate answer is "probably not, but cannot be ruled out"   unsatisfying to all.
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2020 2013-12-11 21:40:28 <gmaxwell> wizkid057: e.g. if you give a low diff then there is a lot of results from the hardware which can wedge the serial link on the avalons.
2021 2013-12-11 21:40:42 <gmaxwell> if you check your logs you'll find me asking for minimum difficulty precisely because of this!
2022 2013-12-11 21:40:57 <wizkid057> gmaxwell: all hardware to date returns diff 1 to mining software, to my knowledge
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2024 2013-12-11 21:41:02 <gmaxwell> it'll report HW errors and unwedge itself after a bit.
2025 2013-12-11 21:41:03 <wizkid057> so a non-issue
2026 2013-12-11 21:41:23 <jgarzik> yep
2027 2013-12-11 21:41:27 <jgarzik> (RE wedge)
2028 2013-12-11 21:41:41 <wizkid057> re wedge: all hardware to date returns diff 1 to mining software, to my knowledge
2029 2013-12-11 21:41:52 <gmaxwell> wizkid057: Its trivially to see. Send diff 1 work to an avalon, it'll drop to basically 0 hashrate and HW error will increment.
2030 2013-12-11 21:42:06 <gmaxwell> it's fine once the diff is higher though.
2031 2013-12-11 21:42:09 <kjj> has anyone here actually implemented BIP10 yet?
2032 2013-12-11 21:42:19 <wizkid057> gmaxwell: the avalon hardware *always* returns diff 1 shares to the software... regardless of pool diff
2033 2013-12-11 21:42:31 <wizkid057> i've read the spec, i was planning on making an avalon based device at one point
2034 2013-12-11 21:43:13 <wizkid057> (apologize for being a bit off topic here)
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2042 2013-12-11 21:46:46 <Luke-Jr> wizkid057: technically, *gminer intentionally do *not* handle vardiff correctly. but it wouldn't cause hw errors, just rejects
2043 2013-12-11 21:47:01 <wizkid057> Luke-Jr: thats my point though
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2046 2013-12-11 21:47:58 <gmaxwell> wizkid057: regardless of the cause, its trivial to see this on an avalon.
2047 2013-12-11 21:48:15 <gmaxwell> wizkid057: but it shouldn't be an issue for anyone.
2048 2013-12-11 21:48:24 <gmaxwell> (since it just causes a wad on connect and then its fine)
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2050 2013-12-11 21:49:52 <wizkid057> gmaxwell: specifically referring to KNC devices.  a handful of people (the same people over and over) continue to spread that on Eligius KNC gets 10%_ HW errors and on guild its < 2%.  I call BS. heh
2051 2013-12-11 21:50:12 <wizkid057> gmaxwell: and it wouldnt be varidff related because they claim to have tested for hours
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2053 2013-12-11 21:50:17 <wizkid057> or more
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2055 2013-12-11 21:51:25 <wizkid057> *10%+
2056 2013-12-11 21:51:28 <Luke-Jr> regardless of what Eligius may or may not be doing, if it's a hw error, it's a bug on KnCMiner's end. imo
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2060 2013-12-11 21:51:53 <Luke-Jr> passing the blame to Eligius is ridiculous
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2063 2013-12-11 21:52:05 <wizkid057> Luke-Jr: of course, but no one wants to listen to me (or you apparantly based on forum trolls responses)
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2065 2013-12-11 21:52:46 <Luke-Jr> I'd suggest they try BFGMiner, but KnCMiner's latest firmware (and only on the affected units?) has an i2c issue
2066 2013-12-11 21:52:46 <wizkid057> which is why I figured i'd try to get another opinion.  beyond that I've asked several KNC users to do their own tests and return with results
2067 2013-12-11 21:53:18 <wizkid057> Luke-Jr: just to confirm, KNC devices like all other hardware returns pdiff1 work to *gminer, right?
2068 2013-12-11 21:53:19 <Luke-Jr> wizkid057: I wonder if they're trying the getwork port or something stupid
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2071 2013-12-11 21:53:26 <Luke-Jr> yep
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2073 2013-12-11 21:53:43 <wizkid057> even if they were... our getwork is actually very usable
2074 2013-12-11 21:53:58 <wizkid057> i've gotten longpoll times down to sub-second
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2077 2013-12-11 21:54:19 <wizkid057> at most 2 seconds under load
2078 2013-12-11 21:54:33 <Luke-Jr> wizkid057: cgminer does getwork requests in sequence
2079 2013-12-11 21:54:40 <Luke-Jr> so it would NEVR get enough work
2080 2013-12-11 21:55:04 <Luke-Jr> for faster rigs
2081 2013-12-11 21:55:16 <wizkid057> perhaps... but still, no way to make more hardware errors
2082 2013-12-11 21:55:21 <wizkid057> would just starve the devices for work
2083 2013-12-11 21:56:05 <Luke-Jr> devices starved for work may result in hw errors
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2085 2013-12-11 21:56:23 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, the avalon boxes really shouldn't even allow anything less than what they can reliably handle then
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2105 2013-12-11 22:06:47 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|;;google --lucky --snippet BIP10
2106 2013-12-11 22:06:48 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BIP_0010 | BIP: 10 Title: Multi-Sig Transaction Distribution Author: Alan Reiner Status: Draft Type: Informational Created: 28-10-2011. A multi-signature transaction is one ...
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2117 2013-12-11 22:13:50 <phantomcircuit> wizkid057, just change the minimum to 10 for everybody
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2119 2013-12-11 22:14:09 <phantomcircuit> wizkid057, just change the minimum to 8 for everybody
2120 2013-12-11 22:14:45 <wizkid057> phantomcircuit: its 4 already on most of the servers (testing it out)
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2122 2013-12-11 22:15:03 <phantomcircuit> wizkid057, that should do it
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2124 2013-12-11 22:15:28 <wizkid057> its actually only diff 2 on a couple of servers now
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2126 2013-12-11 22:15:45 <wizkid057> guess I could lock in diff 4 default now
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2212 2013-12-11 23:28:31 <kjj> the coinjoin lives!
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2221 2013-12-11 23:34:12 <kjj> though I think that a few people may not have gained much privacy from the operation
2222 2013-12-11 23:36:14 <gmaxwell> kjj: even if you don't gain much privacy you still crap on dumb automated analysis... :)
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2229 2013-12-11 23:40:48 <kjj> oh, I was just in it for the notoriety
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2238 2013-12-11 23:51:09 <TD> "Many of BitPay’s new merchants are “trying to stay ahead of the curve, while expanding our customer base,” says Anthony Gallippi, Owner of Smoke Bourbon BBQ House in Toronto, Canada."
2239 2013-12-11 23:51:11 <TD> ?!
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