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  20 2013-12-16 00:17:20 <robonerd> we would like to continue to promote #bitcoin-appdev in a responsible way, as there is a demand for it, but given the issue you raised earlier, i wanted to discuss it with you before i continued
  21 2013-12-16 00:17:22 <robonerd> thoughts?
  22 2013-12-16 00:20:04 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Discuss it with *me*?
  23 2013-12-16 00:20:09 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Why?
  24 2013-12-16 00:22:44 <sipa> no worries
  25 2013-12-16 00:22:56 <robonerd> because it's important to us that we kick the channel off well. there is a real community of bitcoin related app devs and we are really liking coming together
  26 2013-12-16 00:23:05 <robonerd> so if you had a concern, i wanted to hear you out
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  30 2013-12-16 00:23:52 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|robonerd: I was just making sure you were aware of the freenode policies on channel naming
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  32 2013-12-16 00:24:38 <robonerd> you know, i wasn't. may you show me the link again pleasre?
  33 2013-12-16 00:24:41 <robonerd> please*
  34 2013-12-16 00:24:56 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|freenode.net/policy.shtml#channelnaming, I think
  35 2013-12-16 00:25:15 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(typing from memory, may not be accurate)
  36 2013-12-16 00:25:30 <sipa> iirc, jgarzik owns the bitcoin- namespace
  37 2013-12-16 00:25:51 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|sipa: Well, the Bitcoin project does
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  39 2013-12-16 00:25:56 <sipa> right
  40 2013-12-16 00:25:59 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|with jgarzik as the registered Group Contact
  41 2013-12-16 00:26:25 <robonerd> i should ask him then for approvel i think
  42 2013-12-16 00:26:38 <sipa> robonerd: don't bother :)
  43 2013-12-16 00:26:49 <robonerd> well let me review the policy; moment
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  45 2013-12-16 00:28:28 <robonerd> ok so it looks like how it goes on freenode is i should raise the issue with the owner/controller (registered claimant) of the primary namespace
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  49 2013-12-16 00:29:36 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Well
  50 2013-12-16 00:30:12 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Officially, according to the policy, #bitcoin-* channels are supposed to be used exclusively for "official" channels of the Bitcoin project
  51 2013-12-16 00:30:25 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|In practice, that policy isn't usually followed
  52 2013-12-16 00:30:27 <nsh> the freenode channel naming policy is stupid and if you read it you are stupid
  53 2013-12-16 00:30:38 <nsh> -plato
  54 2013-12-16 00:30:51 <kanzure> hello nsh
  55 2013-12-16 00:30:53 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|But it's important to be aware that freenode staff, while they don't enforce the policy, will also provide no assistance in violating it
  56 2013-12-16 00:30:58 <nsh> hi kanzure :)
  57 2013-12-16 00:31:03 <kanzure> nsh: are you okay?
  58 2013-12-16 00:31:08 * nsh nods
  59 2013-12-16 00:31:13 <kanzure> nsh: pm?
  60 2013-12-16 00:31:22 * nsh nods
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  62 2013-12-16 00:31:50 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|For example, if the access list on a #channel that's improperly named gets messed up, or you have trouble there, or whatever, you won't get help from freenode staff to fix it
  63 2013-12-16 00:32:12 <robonerd> well ok i'm also not a stuffy douche, but at the same time it makes sense to me to read the menu outside of a restaurant. and even moreso, i'm a good neighbor, and i don't want to pee in someone's pool if that is what i am indeed doing
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  65 2013-12-16 00:33:38 <robonerd> so freenode wouldn't help us in #bitcoin-appdev, but could it just take control of the channel from us? because it would be unfair to the community to have a pivotal change made from outside forces
  66 2013-12-16 00:33:38 <Ice_Blade> quick question, can anyone briefly tell me what the accepted xxxx (poolsz XXX) in the debug.log means? I've googled it, but can't really find anything.
  67 2013-12-16 00:33:43 <robonerd> it should be organic, and self determinant
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  69 2013-12-16 00:34:18 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|robonerd: Or maybe more accurately, if you need that kind of help with the channel, you'd probably need to ask jgarzin
  70 2013-12-16 00:34:22 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|jgarzik*
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  72 2013-12-16 00:34:56 <robonerd> yea? that could work. what do we know of him/her?
  73 2013-12-16 00:35:00 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Also, in the future they may decide to start enforcing that policy more rigidly
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  75 2013-12-16 00:35:22 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|And anything could happen, when it comes to existing channels
  76 2013-12-16 00:36:00 <saracen> I have a suggestion: Everybody stops prefixing or postfixing "bitcoin" to everything bitcoin related. :(
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  78 2013-12-16 00:36:19 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(also, the Bitcoin project [jgarzik] would have the ability to step in and take over the channel at any time, for any reason -- for example, if it were decided that such an official channel was wanted)
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  80 2013-12-16 00:37:48 <robonerd> saracen but that's categorization. this can be helpful
  81 2013-12-16 00:37:52 <robonerd> ok so yea hm
  82 2013-12-16 00:37:55 <sipa> Ice_Blade: a transaction accepted into the node's memory pool of validated but unconfirmed transactions
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  84 2013-12-16 00:38:33 <sipa> Ice_Blade: poolsz is the current size of that pool (in transactions)
  85 2013-12-16 00:38:45 <Ice_Blade> sipa: ok, so is there a certain number of those that are needed for a block or is that just to indicate that the pool is growing?
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  89 2013-12-16 00:39:15 <sipa> Ice_Blade: a block can have any or none
  90 2013-12-16 00:39:28 <Ice_Blade> ok, thanks :)
  91 2013-12-16 00:39:31 <sipa> Ice_Blade: miners decide, your memory pool doesn't matter for that
  92 2013-12-16 00:41:24 <saracen> robonerd: Maybe. But, I can't imagine stumbling across your channel without being told about it already. So, really, the name could be anything.
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  98 2013-12-16 00:45:01 <robonerd> true
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 102 2013-12-16 00:49:15 <robonerd> yea saracen that's a great thought. so what do you think is the most direct name for this? i'm not into naming as much as i am chatting/collabing with other developers on fun projects :P
 103 2013-12-16 00:50:24 <robonerd> also i just asked in #bitcoin-appdev just now: do we want to build a focused community here for those building software/services related to btc only, or any virtual currency? latter option being addressed with the question: could ppl building apps for litecoin overlap with us in a way that /helps/ btc app dev?
 104 2013-12-16 00:50:33 <robonerd> uh, 1 less "just" there heh
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 106 2013-12-16 00:51:27 <saracen> robonerd: Could be anything, maybe make it vaguely related to "bitcoin". Or, any of the other crypto currencies if you want to do that. Having said that, this way, you get to claim your own namespace, too
 107 2013-12-16 00:51:43 <saracen> So, you could have, like #256bits, #256bits-litecoin.
 108 2013-12-16 00:52:05 <robonerd> hm yea
 109 2013-12-16 00:52:52 <Ice_Blade> #coindev, #coindev-app, etc
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 112 2013-12-16 00:55:22 * michagogo cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|cringes
 113 2013-12-16 00:55:49 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|The dangers of using brainwallet.org for transactions without knowing exactly what you're doing: transaction a2d1e19331f4ea274079c94382560bbb4f32165ed647a33adad651a604e7caa2
 114 2013-12-16 00:56:45 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|A gamble of 0.05271705 BTC at bitmillions.com accidentally included a transaction fee of 20.14628295 BTC
 115 2013-12-16 00:56:48 <robonerd> michagogo|cloud any suggestions on what name our community should use ?
 116 2013-12-16 00:56:54 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|...which happened to be mined by P2Pool.
 117 2013-12-16 00:56:56 <robonerd> since the current one isn't safe
 118 2013-12-16 00:56:59 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|robonerd: No idea, sorry.
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 128 2013-12-16 01:02:38 <robonerd> #coindev ?
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 131 2013-12-16 01:04:46 <Ice_Blade> robonerd: didn't read the entire conversation, but it was a suggestion to a possible bitcoin-related channelname without actually using bitcoin
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 133 2013-12-16 01:05:33 <robonerd>  yea
 134 2013-12-16 01:05:38 <robonerd> what do you think about it i'm asking
 135 2013-12-16 01:05:45 <robonerd> i was already in it, so that might be the one
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 140 2013-12-16 01:08:05 <Ice_Blade> if the channel is available it would be a good idea to get the entire #coindev- namespace if possible, then you can just have channels like #coindev-apps for multiwallet apps, or #coindev-bitcoin and -litecoin etc for coin-specific dev talk
 141 2013-12-16 01:08:36 <Ice_Blade> and coindev seems to be pretty guessable (as I came up with it and you apparently did as well)
 142 2013-12-16 01:11:13 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Freenode's group registrations are suspended indefinitely, so you can't do that at the moment
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 144 2013-12-16 01:11:57 <Ice_Blade> ah, I forgot they were in the process of modifying their backend systems
 145 2013-12-16 01:12:19 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|FSVO "in the process"
 146 2013-12-16 01:13:09 <Ryan52> ne0futur: that was quick! thanks for letting me know!
 147 2013-12-16 01:13:29 <robonerd> a5m0 is thinking we can remain in #bitcoin-appdev. if that's even the best solution, is that the scope we would want in the end? would it be best for the community to center around btc app dev? or app dev for any virtual currency?
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 155 2013-12-16 01:20:22 <TD> interesting
 156 2013-12-16 01:20:43 <TD> i tethered my phone to a temporary 8-day unlimited data sim card. it appears that port 80 is blocked and doesn't work. but SSL and IRC are both allowed
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 158 2013-12-16 01:21:13 <TD> I can load SSLd websites not but others. i wonder if they're doing packet sniffing and terminating connections that self-identify as non-mobile browsers
 159 2013-12-16 01:21:23 <Ice_Blade> TD 8080 might work for http
 160 2013-12-16 01:21:48 <robonerd> TD why would 80 be blocked?
 161 2013-12-16 01:21:53 <robonerd> some stupid < 1024 port block?
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 163 2013-12-16 01:22:19 <TD> no. i'm assuming it's not actually blocked but rather, they do DPI to identify non-mobile browsers and when they see a User-Agent that isn't one they recognize, they drop it
 164 2013-12-16 01:22:22 <TD> not sure.
 165 2013-12-16 01:22:30 <TD> i can't think of any other reason why SSL would work and other stuff wouldn't
 166 2013-12-16 01:22:59 <robonerd> ssl is on a diff port bro
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 168 2013-12-16 01:23:02 <robonerd> 443 right?
 169 2013-12-16 01:23:03 <TD> it's an "unlimited" data sim that i paid ~$70 for. so i can imagine they would want to stop people using desktops with it
 170 2013-12-16 01:23:06 <Ice_Blade> correct
 171 2013-12-16 01:23:08 <TD> yeah.
 172 2013-12-16 01:23:17 <TD> but i can browse with my phone :)
 173 2013-12-16 01:23:22 <robonerd> oh yea, so couldn't be a < 1024 ban
 174 2013-12-16 01:23:23 <robonerd> hm
 175 2013-12-16 01:23:24 <Ice_Blade> some apps might use ssl for data exchanges
 176 2013-12-16 01:23:36 <robonerd> try if 8080 works
 177 2013-12-16 01:23:41 <robonerd> if it doesn't i'd be rather surprised
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 180 2013-12-16 01:25:00 <TD> most websites don't support 8080
 181 2013-12-16 01:25:25 <robonerd> really?
 182 2013-12-16 01:25:36 <robonerd> i'd think they should support 80[80]
 183 2013-12-16 01:25:43 <Ice_Blade> yeah, but a proxy should work
 184 2013-12-16 01:25:50 <Ice_Blade> lots of those support 8080
 185 2013-12-16 01:25:54 <robonerd> ya try a proxy
 186 2013-12-16 01:26:05 <robonerd> and actually try 8080 if you didn't
 187 2013-12-16 01:26:08 <robonerd> might get a prize
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 189 2013-12-16 01:26:34 <robonerd> you know why td? because the only thing better than a prize is a su-prize!
 190 2013-12-16 01:26:34 <TD> well i'm only here for another hour. i don't really care.
 191 2013-12-16 01:26:41 <TD> heh
 192 2013-12-16 01:26:44 <robonerd> on earth?
 193 2013-12-16 01:26:53 <Ice_Blade> my condolences ;)
 194 2013-12-16 01:27:09 <robonerd> Ice_Blade hey how's your weekend going?
 195 2013-12-16 01:27:10 <TD> in america :)
 196 2013-12-16 01:27:24 <robonerd> TD then where shall you go?
 197 2013-12-16 01:27:37 <TD> back home
 198 2013-12-16 01:27:44 <robonerd> heh, k
 199 2013-12-16 01:27:51 <robonerd> so Ice_Blade, how's that weekend going HEH
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 203 2013-12-16 01:28:20 <Ice_Blade> long gone, it's Monday morning here
 204 2013-12-16 01:28:28 <Ice_Blade> 02:24 am
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 206 2013-12-16 01:28:44 * Ice_Blade should probably get to bed, come to think of it...
 207 2013-12-16 01:29:54 <Ice_Blade> but it was nice, slept late, had a party, saw my girlfriend.. can't get much better than that :P
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 209 2013-12-16 01:31:17 <gmaxwell> michagogo|cloud: wrt that high fee txn, I'd noticed the larger than expected p2pool payout but I'd figured I had just gotten share-lucky. :P interesting that it was due to a huge fee.
 210 2013-12-16 01:32:16 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Indeed.
 211 2013-12-16 01:32:24 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1syu3h/i_lost_all_my_bitcoins_in_an_erroneous/
 212 2013-12-16 01:34:27 <robonerd> wow
 213 2013-12-16 01:34:30 <robonerd> that is heart breaking
 214 2013-12-16 01:34:47 <robonerd> Edit: Turns out I accidentally sent my bitcoins to P2Pool in fees... If anyone knows how I can get in touch with the pool operator at P2Pool I'd really appreciate it.
 215 2013-12-16 01:34:52 <robonerd> is p2pool upstanding?
 216 2013-12-16 01:35:36 <TD> there is no pool opertor
 217 2013-12-16 01:35:40 <TD> that's kind of the point
 218 2013-12-16 01:35:55 <robonerd> hm ah
 219 2013-12-16 01:35:59 <robonerd> so ... now what?
 220 2013-12-16 01:37:37 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|robonerd: Now nothing
 221 2013-12-16 01:37:41 <TD> he lost the money
 222 2013-12-16 01:37:42 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|He's out those bitcoins
 223 2013-12-16 01:37:44 <TD> brainwallet is a stupid website
 224 2013-12-16 01:37:54 <TD> i am sure we asked the guy behind it to shut it down ages ago
 225 2013-12-16 01:38:05 <TD> you can't make that kind of mistake with a normal wallet app
 226 2013-12-16 01:38:43 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|TD: Yeah, some troll in the comments of that reddit post is using this to say that bitcoins are useless and you shouldn't use them and all that
 227 2013-12-16 01:39:17 <robonerd> damn
 228 2013-12-16 01:39:17 <TD> well the fact is if people can destroy their entire balance by typing a number into the wrong field, then that doesn't reflect well on bitcoin does it? you wouldn't find it easy to make that mistake with a bank
 229 2013-12-16 01:39:23 <robonerd> 20k mistake there
 230 2013-12-16 01:39:28 <TD> the real question is why was he using that site in the first place?
 231 2013-12-16 01:39:34 <TD> i assume because he likes the idea of a brainwallet
 232 2013-12-16 01:39:46 <robonerd> i just wrote in #bitcoin-appdev "quality app dev will include features preventing such a thing where possible"
 233 2013-12-16 01:39:47 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|"I remember that time I accidentally wrote a check for $20,000 over the amount of the bill.
 234 2013-12-16 01:39:47 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Oh wait. That only happens with bitcoin. A great leap forward for people everywhere."
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 236 2013-12-16 01:40:07 <TD> i wish we could somehow discourage people from using it
 237 2013-12-16 01:40:10 <robonerd> yep
 238 2013-12-16 01:40:14 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|TD: I agree, their /#tx page is not good
 239 2013-12-16 01:40:29 <TD> the entire site isn't good. they let you come up with your own password
 240 2013-12-16 01:40:47 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I mean, it's useful to me personally and I've used it occasionally when away from my computer, or if I need to easily and quickly sweep a privkey
 241 2013-12-16 01:40:57 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|But it's dangerous if you don't know what you're doing
 242 2013-12-16 01:41:06 <robonerd> michagogo|cloud what is better than letting ppl provide pw? generating it and showing it, for user to store?
 243 2013-12-16 01:41:21 <TD> you can sweep a private key with blockchain.info
 244 2013-12-16 01:41:33 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|It's essentially createrawtransaction with automatic population of the inputs
 245 2013-12-16 01:41:43 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|TD: if you have a wallet with them
 246 2013-12-16 01:41:56 <TD> you can create a wallet instantly
 247 2013-12-16 01:42:26 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Anyway, I don't want to sweep the key into bc.i, I want it to my wallet
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 249 2013-12-16 01:43:08 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I find it fairly easy to use, for the most part -- but only because I know what I'm doing
 250 2013-12-16 01:43:27 <saracen> I think that's a good enough reason for the site to exist
 251 2013-12-16 01:43:34 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|The problem is that it's right there for unexperienced users to screw up with
 252 2013-12-16 01:43:46 <TD> and there are no warnings about how dangerous the site is
 253 2013-12-16 01:43:52 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|TD: right
 254 2013-12-16 01:44:00 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I like the tool, but not the site
 255 2013-12-16 01:44:00 <TD> if you're knowledgeable enough to be using the features there, you are knowledgeable enough to do it from the command line
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 257 2013-12-16 01:44:10 <TD> putting a gui on top if just asking people to shoot themselves in the foot
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 260 2013-12-16 01:46:20 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Well, it makes a 4-step process (lookup tx outputs, create, sign, send) into a quicker one
 261 2013-12-16 01:46:44 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Pretty much a 2-3 step process
 262 2013-12-16 01:46:53 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(I mean, it depends on how you count)
 263 2013-12-16 01:47:06 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|But it's definitely easier and much quicker to use
 264 2013-12-16 01:47:59 <gmaxwell> the brainwallet site is bad in a lot of ways, including being attractive enough that its not obvious how dangerous it is.
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 266 2013-12-16 01:48:09 <gmaxwell> I've seen a lot of otherwise smart people do some really boneheaded things with it.
 267 2013-12-16 01:48:36 <gmaxwell> And even given the things it tries to accomplish (some of which are inherently foolish) they could be accomplished in far less dangerous ways.
 268 2013-12-16 01:49:13 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|gmaxwell: Right, I completely agree
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 270 2013-12-16 01:49:43 <saracen> Document all of the less dangerous ways and I could find some time to create it :P
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 489 2013-12-16 06:53:31 <robonerd> i asked about trading bot work supporting btc and altcoins because there are some trading algo ideas i have
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 844 2013-12-16 12:02:03 <arioBarzan> gmaxwell: In case you have some time, could you look at https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Script ? I guess possible outputs for OP_EQUALVERIFY are Nothing/False , similar to OP_VERIFY. I do not have an authorized account for editing wiki and it costs 0.01 BTC to get such permission.
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 879 2013-12-16 12:26:54 <jacob___> hello?
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 884 2013-12-16 12:29:46 <jacob___> he fellas, http://openssl.sourcearchive.com/documentation/0.9.8g-15plus-plenny11/crypto_2ecdsa_2ecdsa_8h.html
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 886 2013-12-16 12:30:09 <jacob___> thats a frekin lot to include for a client, anyway there is standalone implementation?
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 888 2013-12-16 12:31:20 <wumpus> jacob___: https://github.com/sipa/secp256k1
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 898 2013-12-16 12:35:53 <jacob___> whats this "GMP_NUMB_BITS" from  gmp (mipr windows)
 899 2013-12-16 12:35:57 <jacob___> ^?
 900 2013-12-16 12:36:05 <jacob___> thanks wumpus
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 902 2013-12-16 12:36:44 <jacob___> One last question, is there a native implementation of openssl for windows
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 906 2013-12-16 12:38:53 <jacob___> i need to port a client to windows,.., and it would be nice if there was an openssl lib (want to use ECDSA from it) from windows like a ready made dll
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 911 2013-12-16 12:41:43 <jacob___> found it fellas, no need to answer)) http://slproweb.com/products/Win32OpenSSL.html
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1017 2013-12-16 13:53:17 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Hmm.
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1021 2013-12-16 13:53:41 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/YfGKCvtS
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1023 2013-12-16 13:54:09 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Anyone know what that subver is?
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1036 2013-12-16 13:59:13 <sipa> michagogo|cloud: my dns seeder
1037 2013-12-16 13:59:19 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Aha
1038 2013-12-16 13:59:36 <sipa> no idea which instance though
1039 2013-12-16 14:00:36 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Ah, so just connecting to see if the node still exists?
1040 2013-12-16 14:02:09 <sipa> indeed
1041 2013-12-16 14:02:16 <sipa> whether it's reachable, mainly
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1045 2013-12-16 14:05:17 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|So as of git master, you make calls with bitcoin-cli now?
1046 2013-12-16 14:05:23 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(rather than bitcoind)
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1050 2013-12-16 14:06:52 <sipa> no, it's not even satoshi code
1051 2013-12-16 14:07:10 <sipa> https://github.com/sipa/bitcoin-seeder
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1054 2013-12-16 14:07:27 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|sipa: not talking about the seeder anymore
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1056 2013-12-16 14:07:36 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I mean, with bitcoin's git master
1057 2013-12-16 14:07:40 <sipa> oh, yes
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1060 2013-12-16 14:07:48 <sipa> you can still use bitcoind, afaik
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1092 2013-12-16 14:24:08 <abishek> can i delete an address using json rpc?
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1109 2013-12-16 14:27:29 <stonecoldpat> abishek: you would just need to remove it from your wallet
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1112 2013-12-16 14:28:04 <stonecoldpat> abishek: you can't really 'delete an address' - once its been used in network, its recorded there forever (might never be used again, but the address is shown as being used)
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1119 2013-12-16 14:29:10 <abishek> stonecoldpat, what if the address is not used yet? and how can i list all the addresses on a wallet?
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1126 2013-12-16 14:30:42 <stonecoldpat> try bitcoind listaccounts
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1128 2013-12-16 14:31:08 <stonecoldpat> or listaddressgroupings (havent tried that should work)
1129 2013-12-16 14:31:24 <stonecoldpat> if its never been used - i wouldnt really worry about it
1130 2013-12-16 14:31:29 <stonecoldpat> as it wont have any money associated with it
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1134 2013-12-16 14:32:21 <abishek> listaccounts only displays accounts that have transactions associated, the rest d'nt show up
1135 2013-12-16 14:32:49 <abishek> same applies to listaddressgrouings
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1140 2013-12-16 14:34:48 <stonecoldpat> your right yeah
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1142 2013-12-16 14:34:52 <stonecoldpat> then i am not sure sorry
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1148 2013-12-16 14:38:01 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|abishek: Why do you want to delete an address?
1149 2013-12-16 14:38:10 <jgarzik> mornin'
1150 2013-12-16 14:38:40 <stonecoldpat> michagogo|cloud: in the rare chance 10,000 btc gets sent to it - and he doesnt want access to them
1151 2013-12-16 14:38:52 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|jgarzik: o/
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1179 2013-12-16 14:46:27 <andytoshi> gmaxwell: i am told that i can't publish logs for the research/speculation channel without permission from an op
1180 2013-12-16 14:46:32 <andytoshi> which means you
1181 2013-12-16 14:46:50 <andytoshi> whenever you get a moment, can i have an ack/nak?
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1336 2013-12-16 15:32:34 <abishek> michagogo|cloud, i basically want to remove all unused address on my wallet that involve no transactions and will never be used.
1337 2013-12-16 15:32:52 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|abishek: Why?
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1341 2013-12-16 15:33:26 <helo> abishek: is your wallet currently encrypted?
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1349 2013-12-16 15:35:29 <abishek> michagogo|cloud, the application that I am working is where people can create their wallets and addresses. I disallow deleting an address if there is a transaction, but allow deletion if there are no transactions. Logically I delete the mapping on the database, but am not sure on how to do it on the wallet
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1351 2013-12-16 15:35:44 <abishek> helo, yes, the wallet is encrypted
1352 2013-12-16 15:35:45 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|abishek: You don't need to delete addresses
1353 2013-12-16 15:35:46 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|ever
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1355 2013-12-16 15:36:17 <abishek> michagogo|cloud, if the number of addresses on the wallet is large, does is have a problem with performance and indexing?
1356 2013-12-16 15:36:26 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|How large is large?
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1359 2013-12-16 15:36:55 <abishek> michagogo|cloud, about 5-6k
1360 2013-12-16 15:37:02 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|should be fine
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1363 2013-12-16 15:37:21 <abishek> michagogo|cloud, till about how many addresses do you think it is fine?
1364 2013-12-16 15:37:46 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|There's no specific threshold
1365 2013-12-16 15:38:30 <phantomcircuit> abishek, unless you're running this on a raspberry pi
1366 2013-12-16 15:38:37 <abishek> michagogo|cloud, i currently load balance my wallets, but would like to keep a threshold on when to stop creating addresses on a wallet
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1368 2013-12-16 15:38:49 <wumpus> you really shouldn't allow deletion of keys
1369 2013-12-16 15:38:50 <phantomcircuit> you will be able to to tens of thousands
1370 2013-12-16 15:38:55 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Give it a try.
1371 2013-12-16 15:39:03 <phantomcircuit> currently the only real issue is the time it takes to load the wallet
1372 2013-12-16 15:39:11 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Try different numbers and see what works well for you
1373 2013-12-16 15:39:19 <phantomcircuit> that will be fixed in a future (hopefully soon) release
1374 2013-12-16 15:39:26 <wumpus> it's impossible to guarantee that no one will try to send coins to them in the future
1375 2013-12-16 15:39:58 <phantomcircuit> indeed you can safely assume that someone will at somepoint send coins to a "deleted" address
1376 2013-12-16 15:40:04 <phantomcircuit> and then bitch and moan at you to fix it
1377 2013-12-16 15:40:11 <wumpus> keys are only a few bytes anyway
1378 2013-12-16 15:40:14 <wumpus> right
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1380 2013-12-16 15:40:19 <phantomcircuit> (i say this with quite a bit of experience....)
1381 2013-12-16 15:40:32 <abishek> ok
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1383 2013-12-16 15:41:18 <abishek> my other question was, how to list all the addresses on the wallet? listaccounts and listaddressgroupings only show addresses that have a transaction
1384 2013-12-16 15:41:45 <wumpus> there is no way to do that from within bitcoind
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1386 2013-12-16 15:42:00 <wumpus> tools such as pywallet can list all the keys including the keypool
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1388 2013-12-16 15:42:09 <phantomcircuit> abishek, if you need to do that then you've done something wrong probably
1389 2013-12-16 15:42:15 <wumpus> but there really isn't a good reason to do that usually
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1392 2013-12-16 15:43:09 <phantomcircuit> abishek, if you're looking for a metric for what the "load" of a wallet is, use the number of transactions
1393 2013-12-16 15:43:17 <phantomcircuit> that has the greatest performance impact
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1395 2013-12-16 15:43:56 <abishek> ok
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1398 2013-12-16 15:44:52 <abishek> metrics is probably in the next version as I have to maintain the load of the bitcoind daemons across servers. Right now it is more about aggregation of transactions and address on the wallets across multiple servers.
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1400 2013-12-16 15:45:38 <phantomcircuit> abishek, i would be genuinely surprised if you actually needed that
1401 2013-12-16 15:45:45 <phantomcircuit> abishek, what is this for?
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1803 2013-12-16 18:05:39 <jgarzik> cfields, pinf
1804 2013-12-16 18:05:42 <jgarzik> *ping
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1816 2013-12-16 18:09:26 <cfields> jgarzik: ^^
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1820 2013-12-16 18:10:10 <jgarzik> cfields, removed anything besides *boost1.54* packages, still no love
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1822 2013-12-16 18:10:21 <jgarzik> checking for boostlib >= 1.20.0... yes
1823 2013-12-16 18:10:21 <jgarzik> checking whether the Boost::System library is available... yes
1824 2013-12-16 18:10:22 <jgarzik> configure: error: Could not find a version of the library!
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1828 2013-12-16 18:11:08 <jgarzik> cfields, it certainly exists
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1830 2013-12-16 18:11:25 <cfields> jgarzik: could you please pastebin the contents of: ls /usr/lib/libboost* /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libboost*
1831 2013-12-16 18:11:34 <goedgoed> I'm on Debian stable. I would like to install Bitcoin-Qt 0.8.6. I would rather not switch to sid though, and 0.8.6 isn't in wheezy-backports. I could temporarily add the sid repositories, but I don't know how I should check for updates in that case.
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1834 2013-12-16 18:12:07 <goedgoed> Basically, what I would like to do is use the sid repositories for a selected number of packages.
1835 2013-12-16 18:12:46 <goedgoed> Is that a possibility? Are there any elegant workarounds?
1836 2013-12-16 18:12:48 <jgarzik> cfields, http://gtf.org/garzik/bitcoin/paste.txt
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1841 2013-12-16 18:14:10 <jgarzik> cfields, wait 1, found one more straggler
1842 2013-12-16 18:14:48 <cfields> jgarzik: yea, i see that, but that one doesn't get linked in. So my concern there would be that you have 1.53 headers floating around somewhere
1843 2013-12-16 18:15:28 <jgarzik> cfields, removed it, and magically things seem to have started working
1844 2013-12-16 18:16:05 <cfields> jgarzik: which package was removed? I'd like to look at the file-list to see what was in the way
1845 2013-12-16 18:16:15 <cfields> mainly i'd like to know if we need to worry about clashing header paths as well
1846 2013-12-16 18:16:23 <jgarzik> cfields, libboost-date-time1.53.0
1847 2013-12-16 18:16:26 <cfields> thanks
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1850 2013-12-16 18:18:04 <cfields> jgarzik: be aware that, because you're using the outlier version of boost, next time you upgrade it things are likely to break again
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1852 2013-12-16 18:18:32 <cfields> just make sure to install all packages needed for the new version if you do
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1856 2013-12-16 18:19:38 <jgarzik> cfields, I want to be using the default for the platform/OS/version
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1858 2013-12-16 18:20:17 <abishek> when I perform a json rpc call, i get a 500 Internal error, how can i find what the error is?
1859 2013-12-16 18:21:16 <jgarzik> abishek, look at the http headers in the response
1860 2013-12-16 18:21:26 <cfields> jgarzik: in that case, nuke all of boost 1.54, and install libboost-all-dev
1861 2013-12-16 18:22:00 <cfields> jgarzik: you might first verify that libboost-all-dev doesn't somehow get pointed to 1.54 for you for some weird reason (it's virtual)
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1864 2013-12-16 18:23:38 <cfields> ofc that will break anything that's been previously linked with boost, so you'll want to tread lightly. apt will probably be pretty grumpy with those operations :)
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1866 2013-12-16 18:24:33 <jgarzik> cfields, looks like that pulls in earlier version 1.53
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1868 2013-12-16 18:24:57 <cfields> jgarzik: ok good, that's what it's supposed to do.
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1879 2013-12-16 18:34:17 <abishek> Is the transaction fee of 0.0001 automatically deducted even if I set my tran fee to 0? Is the transaction fee mandatory?
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1883 2013-12-16 18:35:26 <phantomcircuit> abishek, the reference client wont let you send a transaction with a fee lower than it's calculated minimum
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1885 2013-12-16 18:36:08 <jgarzik> cfields, working.  looks like "don't cross the streams" is the answer.  builds and working for 1.53 and 1.54
1886 2013-12-16 18:36:10 <jgarzik> separately
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1888 2013-12-16 18:36:52 <cfields> jgarzik: yea, that's about what i expected to hear. kinda sucks :\
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1890 2013-12-16 18:37:00 <abishek> phantomcircuit, where can i find more details about this. The documentation at https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transaction_fees talks about free transaction fees. So am not quite clear
1891 2013-12-16 18:37:03 <cfields> jgarzik: but given the assumptions i listed on the ticket, that makes sense
1892 2013-12-16 18:37:21 <cfields> and there's really not much we can do about it, other than to advise exactly what you just said.
1893 2013-12-16 18:37:47 <jgarzik> cfields, I closed the issue.  Not something we should worry about, IMO
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1895 2013-12-16 18:38:11 <cfields> jgarzik: well, it may be worth mentioning in the readme to avoid 1.54 in saucy
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1897 2013-12-16 18:38:19 <safa> vi wterm.c
1898 2013-12-16 18:38:21 <jgarzik> cfields, 1.54 works fine
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1900 2013-12-16 18:38:36 <safa> sorry
1901 2013-12-16 18:38:41 <jgarzik> cfields, just co-existence of multiple versions is a problem
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1903 2013-12-16 18:38:50 <cfields> jgarzik: yes, but see the details there. It installs to the wrong location, so future upgrades will calls breakage
1904 2013-12-16 18:39:08 <cfields> jgarzik: it's co-existence with that particular package that's the problem
1905 2013-12-16 18:40:11 <cfields> *will cause. heh.
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1908 2013-12-16 18:41:16 <cfields> doesn't matter much to me either way. it's a transient issue that will likely cease to exist after another year or so
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1910 2013-12-16 18:43:13 <jgarzik> cfields, indeed
1911 2013-12-16 18:43:24 <abishek> phantomcircuit, any info on the transaction fees?
1912 2013-12-16 18:44:57 <jgarzik> abishek, what sort of info?
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1914 2013-12-16 18:45:44 <phantomcircuit> abishek, you need to ask a more specific question
1915 2013-12-16 18:45:53 <phantomcircuit> nobody is going to recreate that wiki page for you
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1917 2013-12-16 18:46:05 <abishek> jgarzik, where can i find more details about transaction fees. The documentation at https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transaction_fees talks about free transaction fees. So am not quite clear how the transaction fee works
1918 2013-12-16 18:46:41 <phantomcircuit> abishek, take the time to actually read the entire page
1919 2013-12-16 18:46:48 <phantomcircuit> it explains it indepth
1920 2013-12-16 18:46:49 <nOgAnOo> hi phantom
1921 2013-12-16 18:46:54 <jgarzik> abishek, each miner picks which transactions go into a block.  transaction fees are attached by the sender, in the hopes of encouraging a miner to select your transaction before others.
1922 2013-12-16 18:47:09 <phantomcircuit> nOgAnOo, hello
1923 2013-12-16 18:47:23 <nOgAnOo> jgarzik, I'll trade you 450,000 dogecoins for 10k BTC
1924 2013-12-16 18:48:02 <jgarzik> nOgAnOo, deal.  May I borrow 10k BTC?
1925 2013-12-16 18:48:10 <nOgAnOo> You guys are gonna be mind blown when I tell you my new ideas..
1926 2013-12-16 18:48:20 <nOgAnOo> I will share with you.. you are noble fellows.
1927 2013-12-16 18:48:29 Neozonz has joined
1928 2013-12-16 18:48:30 <nOgAnOo> Dogecoin IRC game bot.
1929 2013-12-16 18:49:00 <nOgAnOo> Craigs list/auction cryptocoin site with escrow and ratings system
1930 2013-12-16 18:49:39 <nOgAnOo> Texas holdem poker site which accepts top 50 Cryptos, besides for scamcoins like quark, devcoin, and that filthy sexcoin.. etc
1931 2013-12-16 18:49:54 <nOgAnOo> My friends and I are working on these now.  I'm currently grabbing some hot domains
1932 2013-12-16 18:50:03 <nOgAnOo> Coinbay and CryptoBay are taken lol
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1934 2013-12-16 18:50:09 Eiii has joined
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1936 2013-12-16 18:50:26 <nOgAnOo> I was sharing my ideas with you. :(
1937 2013-12-16 18:50:28 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, im pretty sure he's just messing with you
1938 2013-12-16 18:50:40 <nOgAnOo> I'm actually building these things.
1939 2013-12-16 18:50:54 <phantomcircuit> nOgAnOo, implement a trust less dealer and then we'll talk
1940 2013-12-16 18:50:56 <jgarzik> nOgAnOo, off-topic
1941 2013-12-16 18:50:56 <nOgAnOo> I won't disrupt you anymore. I'm sorry.
1942 2013-12-16 18:51:28 <abishek> jgarzik, so there is no point in sending a transaction without a fee? Is there a basic minimum for the transaction fee that is mandatory or can i just keep my transaction fee to be the least minimum? say 0.00000001
1943 2013-12-16 18:52:02 <jgarzik> abishek, below a certain threshold, any attached fee is treated as zero
1944 2013-12-16 18:52:20 <jgarzik> abishek, you can send a zero-fee transaction.  it will not confirm immediately, perhaps.
1945 2013-12-16 18:52:37 <abishek> ok, what is the current basic threshold?
1946 2013-12-16 18:53:24 <jgarzik> abishek, around 0.0001/kB
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1950 2013-12-16 18:55:24 <abishek> jgarzik, so it is not calculated per transaction, so if I sent 10 transactions that is 1KB irrespective of the amount that I am transacting, then 0.0001 is cut off from my wallet? Is my understanding correct? So the higher the number of transactions, the less I spend on the transaction fee, right?
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1952 2013-12-16 18:57:22 <abishek> how is it measured,  how many bytes a transaction takes?
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1954 2013-12-16 18:58:05 <kjj> on a very finely calibrated balance beam scale
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1956 2013-12-16 18:59:07 <jgarzik> abishek, correct
1957 2013-12-16 18:59:32 <jgarzik> abishek, it is considered differently for each separate transaction
1958 2013-12-16 18:59:58 <jgarzik> abishek, one fee paid for transaction A does not impact transaction B
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1960 2013-12-16 19:01:23 <abishek> jgarzik, is there any documentation on what constitutes a transaction that is sent over the network?
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1963 2013-12-16 19:01:50 <jgarzik> abishek, yes.  http://en.bitcoin.it/
1964 2013-12-16 19:01:53 <abishek> jgarzik, also am not clear what you mean by "one fee paid for transaction A does not impact transaction B"
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1968 2013-12-16 19:05:01 <jgarzik> abishek, you said "So the higher the number of transactions, the less I spend on the transaction fee, right?"  which is wrong; not correct.
1969 2013-12-16 19:06:44 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|18:16:46 <michagogo|cloud> if (nValueIn < GetValueOut(tx))
1970 2013-12-16 19:06:44 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|18:16:46 <michagogo|cloud> return state.DoS(100, error("CheckInputs() : %s value in < value out", tx.GetHash().ToString().c_str()), REJECT_INVALID, "in < out");
1971 2013-12-16 19:06:44 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|18:17:25 <michagogo|cloud> Right after that,
1972 2013-12-16 19:06:44 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|18:17:26 <michagogo|cloud> int64_t nTxFee = nValueIn - GetValueOut(tx);
1973 2013-12-16 19:06:44 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|18:17:33 <michagogo|cloud> if (nTxFee < 0)
1974 2013-12-16 19:06:44 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|18:17:46 <michagogo|cloud> return state.DoS(100, error("CheckInputs() : %s nTxFee < 0", tx.GetHash().ToString().c_str()), REJECT_INVALID, "fee < 0");
1975 2013-12-16 19:06:52 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Am I missing something, or will that second condition never occur?
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1977 2013-12-16 19:07:12 <abishek> jgarzik, ok, so if I multiple transactions (ranging about 10 BTC) consumed 1kb of packet, will it be considered 0.0001 or will the tx fee be different? If different, then how does tx fee get calculated?
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1979 2013-12-16 19:07:56 <ne0futur> abishek: I recommend http://www.michaelnielsen.org/ddi/how-the-bitcoin-protocol-actually-works/ and https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Protocol_specification
1980 2013-12-16 19:08:12 <jgarzik> abishek, stop thinking about multiple transactions
1981 2013-12-16 19:08:14 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|abishek: The fee is per transaction
1982 2013-12-16 19:08:20 <jgarzik> abishek, each separate transaction has its own fee
1983 2013-12-16 19:08:48 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|If you have 3 separate transactions, each 300 bytes, you'll need to pay 0.0001 BTC per transaction
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1985 2013-12-16 19:08:54 <ne0futur> see also https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transaction_fee
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1988 2013-12-16 19:08:59 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(assuming they don't qualify to be free)
1989 2013-12-16 19:09:36 <abishek> michagogo|cloud, what is the qualification to be free?
1990 2013-12-16 19:09:43 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|It's on that wiki article.
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1992 2013-12-16 19:11:32 <abishek> michagogo|cloud, let me go through it again. So with the increasing difficulty of bitcoin mining, the tx fee will also go up right?
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1994 2013-12-16 19:11:40 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|...
1995 2013-12-16 19:11:48 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|They're orthogonal.
1996 2013-12-16 19:13:01 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Hmm, what's with the second line of the commit message for 14f870cee50f791bfa9c08bf1d60f8a3b9aeab23?
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1998 2013-12-16 19:13:25 <jgarzik> abishek, no
1999 2013-12-16 19:13:43 <abishek> ok
2000 2013-12-16 19:13:48 <jgarzik> abishek, TX fee goes up when, collectively, bitcoin users bid higher prices for space in the blockchain
2001 2013-12-16 19:14:07 <abishek> ok
2002 2013-12-16 19:14:13 <jgarzik> abishek, a TX fee is the free market bidding for space in a block
2003 2013-12-16 19:14:28 <abishek> ok
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2006 2013-12-16 19:20:11 <abishek> jgarzik, how is the tx fee calculated if one send 0.00001? does the tx fee of 0.0001 still apply?
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2013 2013-12-16 19:21:43 <jgarzik> abishek, yes, it still applies.. You might pay more in fee than in actual value
2014 2013-12-16 19:22:00 <abishek> ok
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2016 2013-12-16 19:22:43 <abishek> but if there is no value specified for the tx fee, the fee of 0.0001 is applied by default, right?
2017 2013-12-16 19:23:35 <jgarzik> abishek, The payer supplies the fee.  If the fee is too low, the transaction might be delayed.
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2067 2013-12-16 20:19:22 <SerajewelKS> gmaxwell: nanotube and i have been talking for a bit about addnode and outgoing connections.  it seems like it would be useful if addnodes would always supersede random outgoing connections, so if there are three addnodes there would be three slots dedicated to those, and only five dedicated to random outgoing connections.  this is particularly true when invoking the addnode RPC command -- it would be nice if an outgoing connection were d
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2069 2013-12-16 20:19:56 <gmaxwell> "connection were d"
2070 2013-12-16 20:20:12 <SerajewelKS> ... were dropped to make room for the new node.  is this reasonable, or is there some other way we can make sure that addnode commands result in an outgoing connection to that node ASAP?
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2072 2013-12-16 20:21:46 <nanotube> and moreover, would be nice if they would supercede incoming connections also. (i.e., i have max connections, but one of my addnoded friends is trying to connect - drop a random connection and let him in.
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2074 2013-12-16 20:22:15 <wumpus> or maybe just don't count the addnodes nodes toward the limit
2075 2013-12-16 20:22:17 <wumpus> that sounds simpler
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2078 2013-12-16 20:22:27 <nanotube> well sure, same effect.
2079 2013-12-16 20:22:35 <gmaxwell> my memory may be lossy, but I had been thinking that addnode worked without respect to the limit.
2080 2013-12-16 20:22:38 <SerajewelKS> or consider the limit to be (specified_limit - number_of_addnodes)
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2082 2013-12-16 20:22:53 <wumpus> gmaxwell: it would make sense
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2084 2013-12-16 20:23:11 <SerajewelKS> gmaxwell: it appears to use the outgoing slots... if i have 8 outgoing, then addnode only appears to add that node to a list to be connected to later, in the event that i lose one of my outgoing connections
2085 2013-12-16 20:23:26 <gmaxwell> wumpus: need to be careful about ignoring the limit though, esp wrt inbound, because we can run out of file descriptors.  But yea, for outbound I think it ignores the limits.
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2089 2013-12-16 20:24:03 <sipa1024> SerajewelKS: addnode hasn't worked that way since 0.6 or so
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2091 2013-12-16 20:24:29 <sipa> it now actively tries to connect to everything you addnode, independent from other outgoing connections
2092 2013-12-16 20:24:41 <sipa> iirc, it does count towards the number of outgoing connection slots, though
2093 2013-12-16 20:25:00 <SerajewelKS> hmm.  i'm on 0.8.5 and it appears that if i have 8 outbound connections, addnode doesn't actively initiate a connection.
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2095 2013-12-16 20:25:15 <sipa> are you maybe already connected to the node you're adding?
2096 2013-12-16 20:25:28 <SerajewelKS> at the time i tested, i was not
2097 2013-12-16 20:25:29 <gmaxwell> I think we actually block waiting on a semaphore now aht its mentioned.
2098 2013-12-16 20:25:37 <wumpus> gmaxwell: for inbounds connections it's also less urgent, because it's easier to raise the limit
2099 2013-12-16 20:25:46 <sipa> gmaxwell: i'm not sure whether addnode *waits* for a semaphore
2100 2013-12-16 20:25:54 <sipa> it does take one if it can for sure, though
2101 2013-12-16 20:26:04 <SerajewelKS> basically it would be nice if the addnode list was always given preference
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2103 2013-12-16 20:26:37 <gmaxwell> SerajewelKS: sounds reasonable, but I'm not sure if it doesn't already do that effectively. If not, we should fix it so that it does.
2104 2013-12-16 20:26:45 <SerajewelKS> gmaxwell: for inbound though, the suggestion is that if we are at the connection limit we drop a random outgoing or incoming connection if we see one of our "addnodes" trying to connect to us
2105 2013-12-16 20:26:57 <SerajewelKS> to make room for them
2106 2013-12-16 20:27:00 <gmaxwell> (probably by letting it go over and then being able to expire excess connections)
2107 2013-12-16 20:27:05 <wumpus> I don't like dropping a random node
2108 2013-12-16 20:27:06 <nanotube> and while we are at it, would be nice to have rpc commands to drop particular connections. and to raise/lower maxconnections on the fly without having to restart the node.
2109 2013-12-16 20:27:19 <sipa> i don't like mixing outgoing and incoming behavior
2110 2013-12-16 20:27:26 <sipa> addnode should affect outgoing only
2111 2013-12-16 20:27:29 <SerajewelKS> wumpus: then i'm fine with "maxconnections" not including the addnode list
2112 2013-12-16 20:27:29 <wumpus> right
2113 2013-12-16 20:27:31 <gmaxwell> Yes, please don't mix incoming and outgoing behavior.
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2115 2013-12-16 20:27:54 <SerajewelKS> +1 for setting maxconnections without restarting
2116 2013-12-16 20:28:05 <wumpus> it's easy to allow a lot of incoming connections, but for outgoing it's limited to 8 so it's important that addnodes aren't counted
2117 2013-12-16 20:28:15 <SerajewelKS> a command for dropping specific connections less important, but as a sysadmin that's a nice tool to have
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2119 2013-12-16 20:28:22 <gmaxwell> Also, great care is required to not create vulnerabilties. E.g. what you just described would make it much easier to fill up a nodes connections with malicious ones. ... just keep reconnecting and letting random expiration do its thing until all connections are yours.
2120 2013-12-16 20:28:43 <sipa> wumpus: i'm sure people would run some script to scrape a list of 100s of good nodes and addnode them all in that case
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2124 2013-12-16 20:28:48 <nanotube> gmaxwell: only if they can successfully fake an addnoded ip...
2125 2013-12-16 20:29:12 <sipa> actually, now that i think about it
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2127 2013-12-16 20:29:19 <SerajewelKS> gmaxwell: presumably (1) if they already have a connection you would not trigger the special-case code, and (2) if you addnoded them you probably trust them
2128 2013-12-16 20:29:29 <gmaxwell> nanotube: oh SerajewelKS meant that just for addnoded peers, again, I don't see why you're mixing them.
2129 2013-12-16 20:30:01 <sipa> if we had 1) host authentication  2) whitelisted incoming peers, then I'm fine with "if you -addnode a peer that knows you and accepts you as whitelisted, THEN it shouldn't count towards the outgoing connection limit"
2130 2013-12-16 20:30:06 <nanotube> gmaxwell: yea we were talking about dropping things in favor of addnoded peers, i thought.
2131 2013-12-16 20:30:12 <SerajewelKS> gmaxwell: if maxconnections doesn't include the addnode list then it doesn't matter.  but this means that an incoming connection from an addnoded peer should not count towards the maxconnection limit.
2132 2013-12-16 20:30:56 <gmaxwell> SerajewelKS: addnode is about _outbound_ connections.
2133 2013-12-16 20:31:00 <nanotube> good thing we already have ecdsa signing - so we can do host authentication without adding any new crypto :)
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2135 2013-12-16 20:31:11 <wumpus> I'd suggest just using SSL
2136 2013-12-16 20:31:13 <SerajewelKS> or at least it should not IF you aren't already connected to them
2137 2013-12-16 20:31:19 <gmaxwell> yuck
2138 2013-12-16 20:31:22 <nanotube> gmaxwell: what's outbound for one, is inbound for the other, innit? :P
2139 2013-12-16 20:31:22 <sipa> yuck
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2141 2013-12-16 20:31:43 <SerajewelKS> gmaxwell: i suppose it doesn't matter if addnode is properly processed, because you should each be trying to connect to each other.  but if there is a bug then... yeah.
2142 2013-12-16 20:31:50 <sipa> if you have two nodes and you're addnode'ing them to eachother, i think you're doing it wrong
2143 2013-12-16 20:32:02 <SerajewelKS> so fixing the bug that's preventing addnode rpc commands from resulting in a new connection should resolve the other problem
2144 2013-12-16 20:32:06 <sipa> SerajewelKS: why should they try to connect to eachother?
2145 2013-12-16 20:32:07 <gmaxwell> nanotube: we don't have any protected inbound list, but perhaps we should. You really don't want to addnode in both directions, since you'll end up with two links up most of the time, which is sort of a waste.
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2147 2013-12-16 20:32:27 <nanotube> gmaxwell: wait, aren't nodes smart enough to detect that they're connected, and not try to connect twice?
2148 2013-12-16 20:32:30 <SerajewelKS> sipa: for example, nanotube and i each have each other in our addnode list, as well as a few other people
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2150 2013-12-16 20:32:41 <gmaxwell> nanotube: not if you addnode.
2151 2013-12-16 20:32:53 <gmaxwell> nanotube: plus in some cases they can't tell.
2152 2013-12-16 20:32:56 <nanotube> gmaxwell: i'd have thought that if i addnode you, and you addnode me, we won't both try to connect to each other regardless of whether a connection between us is already established?
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2154 2013-12-16 20:33:07 <nanotube> well sure, over tor you can'n tell.
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2156 2013-12-16 20:33:12 <nanotube> can't
2157 2013-12-16 20:33:28 <SerajewelKS> gmaxwell: it's worth noting that nanotube and i have each addnoded each other and i only see one connection between us in netstat
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2159 2013-12-16 20:33:58 <SerajewelKS> but this might be due to whatever possible bug is preventing nanotube's bitcoind from trying to connect to me, since i don't think he has restarted his node since running addnode
2160 2013-12-16 20:34:00 <sipa> i think addnode looks at "is there already a connection with X"
2161 2013-12-16 20:34:21 <gmaxwell> sipa: hm. I know I get parallel connections between mine
2162 2013-12-16 20:35:12 <SerajewelKS> strong identities would definitely make this a lot easier.  "addnode some_ip pubkey_hash" <-- only allow one connection with that guy's pubkey
2163 2013-12-16 20:35:34 <nanotube> aye
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2165 2013-12-16 20:37:18 <nanotube> gmaxwell: sipa: we're essentially thinking about this in the context of trying to make it easy to set up a persistent network of nodes who know each other. hence the 'addnode priority' stuff.
2166 2013-12-16 20:39:34 <sipa> nanotube: i like that idea, and host authentication
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2168 2013-12-16 20:40:25 <nanotube> yea host auth would be great also
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2172 2013-12-16 20:40:53 <gmaxwell> host auth makes ignoring dupes easy too.
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2174 2013-12-16 20:41:16 <nanotube> aye
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2176 2013-12-16 20:41:42 <nanotube> just gotta make sure to allow for separate host auth for tor/nontor.
2177 2013-12-16 20:41:47 <wumpus> should be optional though
2178 2013-12-16 20:41:52 <sipa> absolutely
2179 2013-12-16 20:42:31 <nanotube> well, you could put the same key on both if you really want.
2180 2013-12-16 20:43:01 <nanotube> but seems default should encourage separate keys
2181 2013-12-16 20:44:03 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|You can't connect *from* a tor hidden service, right?
2182 2013-12-16 20:44:26 <gmaxwell> not really, all you can do is get access to the HS keys directly and do your own RSA signing.
2183 2013-12-16 20:44:35 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Okay, that's what I thought
2184 2013-12-16 20:44:38 <gmaxwell> which is something that torchat does/did (dunno if it still does)
2185 2013-12-16 20:44:38 <SerajewelKS> why would separate keys be a good thing?  it seems that if you make a tor connection and a v4/v6 connection and they wind up being the same guy on the other end, you should prefer dropping the tor connection as it represents more overhead, no?
2186 2013-12-16 20:45:18 <SerajewelKS> i don't know why it would be good to have a tor and clearnet connection to the same node.  sounds like a waste.
2187 2013-12-16 20:45:22 <gmaxwell> It's more important to avoid privacy surprises than minimize overhead.
2188 2013-12-16 20:45:30 <gmaxwell> SerajewelKS: ... to bridge the networks.
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2190 2013-12-16 20:47:35 <gmaxwell> speaking of HSes, we still have nothing to dissuade sybil attacks there.
2191 2013-12-16 20:47:48 <SerajewelKS> "bridging the networks" between the same node is not useful
2192 2013-12-16 20:48:15 <SerajewelKS> gmaxwell: well make the default different keys, but in my case i'm running a v4+v6+tor node specifically to bridge all three, so there is no reason for someone to connect to me over tor and v4/v6
2193 2013-12-16 20:48:46 <SerajewelKS> it makes sense to have v4 and tor connections to DIFFERENT nodes, that bridges the network.  a v4 and tor connection to the same node bridges nothing.
2194 2013-12-16 20:48:51 <gmaxwell> SerajewelKS: You're not following me. Yes there is no need to run parallel connections through the same host, but if you use the same identity on tor and IPv4 you reduce the users privacy in ways which may be surprising to them.
2195 2013-12-16 20:49:00 <gmaxwell> SerajewelKS: Please don't start off assuming I'm a moron.
2196 2013-12-16 20:49:22 <gmaxwell> I thought you were asking why a host would be connected to both v4 and tor at all
2197 2013-12-16 20:49:33 <SerajewelKS> i'm not assuming anything, i'm just getting different meaning from your words than you intended i guess
2198 2013-12-16 20:49:43 <sipa> git5easy now :)
2199 2013-12-16 20:49:45 <sipa> eh
2200 2013-12-16 20:49:47 <sipa> easy now :)
2201 2013-12-16 20:50:18 <SerajewelKS> gmaxwell: is there a simple explanation as to why running the same identity on v4 and tor would reduce a user's privacy?
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2203 2013-12-16 20:50:36 <SerajewelKS> (if they really want privacy, they should be running tor-only, no?)
2204 2013-12-16 20:51:22 <gmaxwell> Indeed, but it's still surprising if their HS address is advertising the same identity as their v4 explicitly.
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2206 2013-12-16 20:51:39 <wumpus> in most cases, if they want privacy, they shouldn't be using node authentication in the first place
2207 2013-12-16 20:51:46 <SerajewelKS> (as a side note, "Please don't start off assuming I'm a moron." isn't really helpful... there was a misunderstanding.  energy would be better spent correcting the misunderstanding than creating drama.)
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2212 2013-12-16 20:52:28 <SerajewelKS> gmaxwell: oh, it sounded like you were saying that *me* running the same identity would cause issues with *other* users' identities.
2213 2013-12-16 20:52:33 <SerajewelKS> he left?
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2215 2013-12-16 20:54:29 <sipa> SerajewelKS: don't worry about it
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2217 2013-12-16 20:55:00 <SerajewelKS> i guess that will teach me to try to understand what people say -_-
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2229 2013-12-16 21:04:39 <CodeShark> on a similar topic, there currently is no way to request addr messages, is there?
2230 2013-12-16 21:04:46 <CodeShark> addr messages are always volunteered
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2234 2013-12-16 21:05:54 <CodeShark> perhaps we should add a getaddr message to the protocol
2235 2013-12-16 21:06:25 <sipa> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Protocol_specification#getaddr
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2237 2013-12-16 21:06:49 <CodeShark> oh, lol
2238 2013-12-16 21:07:00 <CodeShark> silly me
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2241 2013-12-16 21:08:11 <CodeShark> I knew that :p
2242 2013-12-16 21:08:31 <sipa> Especially funny that you even guessed the command name :)
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2244 2013-12-16 21:10:40 <ahmedbodi> does anyone here know how to use cgminer or bfgminer api via curl?
2245 2013-12-16 21:11:03 <Luke-Jr> ahmedbodi: not possible.
2246 2013-12-16 21:11:09 <ahmedbodi> Luke-Jr: vb.net?
2247 2013-12-16 21:11:23 <ahmedbodi> or even just the syntax needed for api commands would be enough
2248 2013-12-16 21:11:28 <Luke-Jr> ahmedbodi: README.RPC
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2251 2013-12-16 21:13:46 <ahmedbodi> {"command":"version"}
2252 2013-12-16 21:13:55 <ahmedbodi> thats all thats needed right?
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2259 2013-12-16 21:22:07 <kjj> hey luke, is there a simple way to start bfgminer so that it finds all of my radeons and all of my ASICs?
2260 2013-12-16 21:22:21 <Luke-Jr> kjj: -S opencl:auto
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2263 2013-12-16 21:25:21 <TheLordOfTime> Luke-Jr, is that available even on latest bfgminer?
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2265 2013-12-16 21:25:40 * TheLordOfTime thought he saw a changelog disabling opencl
2266 2013-12-16 21:27:58 <kjj> you have to explicitly enable it in configure
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2287 2013-12-16 21:45:49 <Blaster> what's the latest blockchain torrent? is it possible to get one with all 16gb
2288 2013-12-16 21:46:17 <kuzetsa> no
2289 2013-12-16 21:46:36 <kuzetsa> the checkpoint hasn't been updated since the last one a few months ago
2290 2013-12-16 21:47:26 <kuzetsa> latest bootstrap.dat for latest checkpoint is still 9.15 GB (9,826,691,453 bytes)
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2292 2013-12-16 21:48:18 <kuzetsa> August 30, 2013 / Bitcoin block chain height: 250000
2293 2013-12-16 21:48:24 <kuzetsa> ^that checkpoint is the most recent :(
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2300 2013-12-16 21:53:29 <Krellan_> I think checkpoints are made every 50K blocks, right?  So next checkpoint will be made at block 300K?  That does seem a little long between checkpoints, especially given the rise in Bitcoin usage over last few months.
2301 2013-12-16 21:54:03 <kuzetsa> bc,stats
2302 2013-12-16 21:54:06 <kuzetsa> ;;bc,stats
2303 2013-12-16 21:54:09 <gribble> Current Blocks: 275303 | Current Difficulty: 9.08350862437022E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 276191 | Next Difficulty In: 888 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 10 hours, 1 minute, and 47 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1126180038.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 23.98073
2304 2013-12-16 21:54:27 <kuzetsa> wow, that's still a ways off
2305 2013-12-16 21:54:38 <Krellan_> A checkpoint at block 275000 would be perfect now
2306 2013-12-16 21:54:50 <robonerd> what's a checkpoint?
2307 2013-12-16 21:55:14 <Krellan_> checkpoint = take your bitcoin blockchain directory and send it out as a big bittorrent file
2308 2013-12-16 21:55:27 <Krellan_> that is officially done every now and then, to help new users get quickly caught up.
2309 2013-12-16 21:55:38 <sipa> Krellan_: you're confusing the bootstrap.dat torrent with checkpoints
2310 2013-12-16 21:55:46 <Krellan_> You're right!  Sorry about that.
2311 2013-12-16 21:55:58 <sipa> checkpoints are just a means of being able to safely avoid signature checks in historical parts of the chain
2312 2013-12-16 21:55:59 <Krellan_> I thought they were one and the same.
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2314 2013-12-16 21:56:13 <Krellan_> Ah, checkpoints are the optimization that's done every so often, to etch in stone the previous blocks.
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2316 2013-12-16 21:56:13 <sipa> by hardcoding a block hash into the client
2317 2013-12-16 21:56:15 <kuzetsa> Krellan: me too... sipa: are they not the same thing?
2318 2013-12-16 21:56:30 <sipa> well, recently we have updated bootstrap.dat at every checkpoint
2319 2013-12-16 21:56:33 <Krellan_> sipa: So when do we get a new bootstrap.dat torrent created? :)
2320 2013-12-16 21:56:37 <Bourreau233> It sounds like an archiving process, and way to free up storage space
2321 2013-12-16 21:56:48 <sipa> Bourreau233: that's yet something else
2322 2013-12-16 21:57:08 <sipa> but checkpoints are likely going to go away in a future version, as there exist cleaner ways of avoiding that work
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2324 2013-12-16 21:57:20 <sipa> doesn't mean the torrent has to go away
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2326 2013-12-16 21:57:42 <Krellan_> sipa: I still think 275K is a good milestone to update the torrent
2327 2013-12-16 21:57:44 <sipa> also, no reason to wait on an "official" (what does that mean anyway?) bootstrap.dat
2328 2013-12-16 21:57:52 <sipa> there's a script to create bootstrap.dat yourself
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2330 2013-12-16 21:58:28 <kuzetsa> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145386.0 <-- that one is pretty official looking
2331 2013-12-16 22:01:09 <sipa> what i mean is: bootstrap.dat is still verified by your client when it's being imported
2332 2013-12-16 22:01:19 <sipa> there's no reason why you'd need to trust the creator
2333 2013-12-16 22:01:47 <sipa> having a single torrent obviously makes things more efficient/easy for sharing
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2340 2013-12-16 22:07:19 <kuzetsa> yeah, pretty much
2341 2013-12-16 22:07:46 <kuzetsa> the nature of using a torrent for sharing it works better when everyone is using the same one
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2366 2013-12-16 22:28:35 <hno> doesn't torrent do collections? then each could be set up to build on the other.
2367 2013-12-16 22:29:11 <Luke-Jr> bitcoind doesn't do collections :/
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2369 2013-12-16 22:30:35 <hno> that's quite easy to change, and can be taped up with a small script to concatenate the stuff.
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2394 2013-12-16 23:07:34 <Gnewt> Could someone explain to me the values of addrtype, privtype, and scriptaddrtype in the vanitygen source?
2395 2013-12-16 23:07:56 <Gnewt> Where are those values in the Bitcoin source? I'd like to add a new coin to vanitygen and those seem like the 3 'magic' params.
2396 2013-12-16 23:08:41 <sipa> magic is the right word; you choose them yourself
2397 2013-12-16 23:08:57 <Gnewt> gotcha
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2399 2013-12-16 23:09:32 <Gnewt> I'm curious where those values are stored in the bitcoin-qt source. Looks like dogecoin is 30 for example but not sure where that is defined in the headers.
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2410 2013-12-16 23:27:22 <Luke-Jr> Gnewt: this isn't #altcoin-dev
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2412 2013-12-16 23:27:48 <Gnewt> Luke-Jr: I'm aware
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2422 2013-12-16 23:37:59 <gjs278> he was asking where it was in bitcoin
2423 2013-12-16 23:38:03 <gjs278> so now apologize
2424 2013-12-16 23:38:19 <gjs278> who gives a flying fuck what he's going to do with the information
2425 2013-12-16 23:38:37 <gjs278> if he's asking questions about the bitcoin source, and you're not going to answer them, hang yourself
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2433 2013-12-16 23:43:07 <maaku> gjs278: before you get yourself banned, consider that we're all volunteers
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2435 2013-12-16 23:43:27 <gjs278> so he can tell him to be quiet, but I can't tell him to be quiet?
2436 2013-12-16 23:43:31 * Luke-Jr was just noting it for his info, not as much threatening or complaining or anything
2437 2013-12-16 23:43:43 <gjs278> bs
2438 2013-12-16 23:43:57 <Luke-Jr> Gnewt obvious took it that way, not sure why you find it hard
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2440 2013-12-16 23:44:04 <Luke-Jr> obviously*
2441 2013-12-16 23:44:14 <gjs278> you have no idea how he took it
2442 2013-12-16 23:44:22 <gjs278> now you're peering into the minds of others
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2444 2013-12-16 23:44:30 <gjs278> it's insane how full of yourself you can be
2445 2013-12-16 23:44:40 <Luke-Jr> gjs278: your trolling is very off-topic here.
2446 2013-12-16 23:44:48 <sipa> please take this elsewhere
2447 2013-12-16 23:45:26 <sipa> Gnewt: in the current bitcoin source code, it's in chainparams.cpp
2448 2013-12-16 23:45:38 <sipa> Gnewt: in older versions, it was spread out over a few places afaik
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2451 2013-12-16 23:46:26 <Gnewt> Thanks sipa! Appreciate it.
2452 2013-12-16 23:46:27 <sipa> as base58Prefixes
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2455 2013-12-16 23:47:37 <cfields> wumpus: ping
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