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2 2013-12-18 00:01:12 <maaku> fix bitcoin-qt first, *then* break all the other clients ;)
3 2013-12-18 00:01:34 <andytoshi> they should be reading the #bitcoin-dev logs, and always preparing ;)
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10 2013-12-18 00:02:52 <Luke-Jr> sipa: problem?
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12 2013-12-18 00:03:08 <Luke-Jr> the point is so that double spends have the same txid <.<
13 2013-12-18 00:03:15 <sipa> not necessarily
14 2013-12-18 00:03:20 <Luke-Jr> I mean for input purposes, not getdata
15 2013-12-18 00:03:20 <sipa> only if they spend the same input
16 2013-12-18 00:03:28 <sipa> *the same FIRST input
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20 2013-12-18 00:03:58 <Luke-Jr> if someone adds a fee or more outputs, I want my spend of the prior iteration to be valid still
21 2013-12-18 00:04:09 <sipa> Luke-Jr: i could modify a transaction completely apart from its first input (even in an invalid way), and i could still "prove" to you (an SPV node) that transaction was included in a block
22 2013-12-18 00:05:08 <Luke-Jr> sipa: ok, so we'd want two distinct txids
23 2013-12-18 00:05:23 <Luke-Jr> one for OutPoints, and one for txn merkle tree :P
24 2013-12-18 00:05:35 <sipa> what advantage does that have?
25 2013-12-18 00:05:55 <sipa> apart from just comparing those outpoints, without calling it "some sort of txid"
26 2013-12-18 00:06:01 <BlueMatt> a modern bitcoin wallet should already be indexing txn by something other than txid
27 2013-12-18 00:06:13 * sipa whistles
28 2013-12-18 00:06:18 <BlueMatt> (to solve the mutability issue)
29 2013-12-18 00:06:42 <sipa> malleability can't really be solved apart from outlawing it
30 2013-12-18 00:06:47 <Luke-Jr> sipa: 0-confirmation spends are safer
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32 2013-12-18 00:07:04 <BlueMatt> sipa: true, but smarter wallets address the issue
33 2013-12-18 00:07:08 <jrmithdobbs> Luke-Jr: at the expense of every other txn being less safe
34 2013-12-18 00:07:12 <sipa> BlueMatt: not entirely
35 2013-12-18 00:07:25 <Luke-Jr> jrmithdobbs: not less, if done carefully
36 2013-12-18 00:07:29 <sipa> they're overlapping issues, and we need to fix both
37 2013-12-18 00:07:39 <BlueMatt> sipa: well, for non-contract stuff it does
38 2013-12-18 00:07:41 <sipa> but you can't solve malleability impact by just making wallets smarter
39 2013-12-18 00:07:49 <BlueMatt> for contract stuff, yes, we need to solve the issue
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44 2013-12-18 00:08:33 <TheLordOfTime> ;;op
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75 2013-12-18 00:38:01 <PRab> Hey, I was just reading back a bit. What's the problem with/Is there a problem with "fixing" transactions to canonical form when relaying/mining?
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77 2013-12-18 00:38:38 <PRab> I realize there will be 2 versions of the transaction floating around until one gets mined, but only one should ever be able to get mined.
78 2013-12-18 00:39:48 <sipa> the original wallet may be confused by it
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80 2013-12-18 00:40:11 <sipa> with seeing a different transaction mined, which conflicts with one of its own, but still credits it
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83 2013-12-18 00:40:36 <PRab> Ah.
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87 2013-12-18 00:42:29 <andytoshi> speaking of confusing the client..
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89 2013-12-18 00:42:51 <andytoshi> i commented out lines 785-790 of rpcrawtransaction.cpp so that i could do a double-spend
90 2013-12-18 00:42:56 <andytoshi> and i think i wrecked mine
91 2013-12-18 00:42:57 <PRab> I'm sure this has already been discussed, but to me it sounds like the way forward is to release a version of all known clients that handle this properly. Once they have been in the wild, change the mining rules.
92 2013-12-18 00:43:03 <andytoshi> bitcoind: key.cpp:134: {anonymous}::CECKey::CECKey(): Assertion `pkey != __null' failed.
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94 2013-12-18 00:43:22 <gmaxwell> PRab: well that will never happen.
95 2013-12-18 00:43:43 <gmaxwell> PRab: there are plenty of pieces of bitcoin software that are hardly being maintained.
96 2013-12-18 00:43:49 <gmaxwell> (or not at all)
97 2013-12-18 00:43:52 <PRab> gmaxwell: Darn the real world not bending to my every whim.
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100 2013-12-18 00:47:19 <andytoshi> nothing interesting in the debug.log, it just halts: http://pastebin.com/mT1MVbie
101 2013-12-18 00:48:35 <andytoshi> here is a backtrace: http://pastebin.com/5yfMRErz
102 2013-12-18 00:48:38 <andytoshi> also i'm looking into it..
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114 2013-12-18 01:10:23 <andytoshi> forget that backtrace, i got a cleaner one : http://pastebin.com/BGrkeG5F
115 2013-12-18 01:11:56 <andytoshi> but i'm gonna run it in valgrind anyway, no way there is an actual crash in that constructor..
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119 2013-12-18 01:12:46 <the8thbit> Is the structure of a tx different before and after its accepted into a block?
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124 2013-12-18 01:22:41 <sipa> no
125 2013-12-18 01:24:19 <the8thbit> sipa: Thanks! Any reason why this page specifies that its discussing tx inside a block?: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transactions
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127 2013-12-18 01:24:45 <the8thbit> Also, any detriment to having a coin where the tx inside a block and the tx sent to a block are different?
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129 2013-12-18 01:25:31 <the8thbit> in otherwords, I want to send extra information in a transaction that will then be chopped off and put in a different part of the block.
130 2013-12-18 01:25:49 <sipa> that is not possible
131 2013-12-18 01:25:55 <the8thbit> why not?
132 2013-12-18 01:26:37 <sipa> well because transactions are included as-is into blocks
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134 2013-12-18 01:26:47 <the8thbit> sipa: I mean for a new coin, not for bitcoin
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136 2013-12-18 01:27:01 <sipa> ah
137 2013-12-18 01:27:14 <andytoshi> here is a pastbin of my crash in valgrind: http://pastebin.com/hG8mE7Qs
138 2013-12-18 01:27:23 <the8thbit> Still impossible, or do I have a sliver of hope? lol
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141 2013-12-18 01:28:48 <andytoshi> the8thbit: there is nothing impossible about it, the extra stuff just wouldn't really be "part of the transaction"
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145 2013-12-18 01:31:10 <the8thbit> andytoshi: All right, thanks. The reason I'm interested in doing this is because I'd like to be able to both prune and quickly search the extra junk, and I'm afraid that keeping it included in the transactions list rather than in a different segment of the block could make this difficult. Is this fear unfounded?
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153 2013-12-18 01:34:23 <dundysf> need a programmer familiar with php and bitcoind (probably most people here heh). :) Willing to pay for script
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156 2013-12-18 01:36:30 <amincd> The Frostwire lead developer is looking to integrate Bitcoin into the Bittorrent client: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=373745.0
157 2013-12-18 01:39:08 <BlueMatt> amincd: see-also: https://groups.google.com/a/bittorrent.com/forum/#!topic/bt-developers/f8HL_Nu9P7g
158 2013-12-18 01:39:16 <BlueMatt> well, the whole thread
159 2013-12-18 01:40:21 <amincd> I
160 2013-12-18 01:40:23 <amincd> l'll check it out
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175 2013-12-18 01:50:16 <andytoshi> guys, i have a corrupted wallet.dat
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177 2013-12-18 01:51:54 <typex> :-(
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189 2013-12-18 02:01:35 <Cryo> good thing you have a backup!
190 2013-12-18 02:02:39 <andytoshi> Cryo: hmm, maybe i do..
191 2013-12-18 02:02:45 <andytoshi> i forgot about those :}
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193 2013-12-18 02:05:39 <andytoshi> hey, the crash happens with or without wallet.dat in place ... i think it is not the wallet after all
194 2013-12-18 02:05:49 <andytoshi> the first valgrind error is in reading the wallet, i just assumed..
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200 2013-12-18 02:08:19 <Cryo> full moon error
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202 2013-12-18 02:10:40 <andytoshi> without the wallet, i still get bitcoind: key.cpp:134: {anonymous}::CECKey::CECKey(): Assertion `pkey != __null' failed.
203 2013-12-18 02:10:46 <andytoshi> but valgrind gives it a clean bill of health
204 2013-12-18 02:13:14 <andytoshi> devs, any advice on things to try moving out of the way?
205 2013-12-18 02:13:47 <andytoshi> the backtraces shows the crash in CCoinsViewCache::GetCoins ... there used to be a directory called "coins"
206 2013-12-18 02:14:10 <andytoshi> i think this is chainstate now? i'll try that
207 2013-12-18 02:15:07 <andytoshi> "Error: Incorrect or no genesis block found. Wrong datadir for network?
208 2013-12-18 02:15:11 <andytoshi> damn these sanity checks
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210 2013-12-18 02:16:33 <Cryo> so corrupt chain? 0.8.6?
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212 2013-12-18 02:17:57 <andytoshi> no, git HE-da
213 2013-12-18 02:17:59 <andytoshi> HEAD*
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215 2013-12-18 02:19:55 <andytoshi> ok, well, i'm going home to canada tomorrow.. i have another node there
216 2013-12-18 02:20:00 <andytoshi> i'll just copy the blockchain over
217 2013-12-18 02:21:31 <andytoshi> it's because all those devs were talking about double-spends messing with bitcoin-qt's head
218 2013-12-18 02:21:34 <andytoshi> they jinxed me
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220 2013-12-18 02:23:09 <dundysf> pm me if you have a minute and can help me integrate a bitcoind api with the poker mavens api (i'm a total noob). paying for script.
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241 2013-12-18 02:48:00 <abishek> hey guys, i have been trying to figure out when to use walletnotify and blocknotify, could someone advice. I am trying to track incoming transactions and confirmations for the transactions. which one should I be using? when i use walletnotify, i get notified by receiving a transaction id, but am not sure if this notification is for confirmation or a transaction received. appreciate if someone could help me understand this, have been spending 2 days
242 2013-12-18 02:48:00 <abishek> just on this
243 2013-12-18 02:48:45 <Luke-Jr> abishek: use RPC gettransaction when your walletnotify is called
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245 2013-12-18 02:49:28 <abishek> Luke-Jr, yes I am doing that, but the how can i track confirmations?
246 2013-12-18 02:49:40 <abishek> confirmations recd?
247 2013-12-18 02:49:44 <Luke-Jr> abishek: gettransaction has 'confirmations'
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252 2013-12-18 02:51:03 <abishek> Luke-Jr, the problem that I have is, I have recd only 3 notifications from walletnotify, but the confirmations on the transaction is 47, so am wondering why i did not receive as many notifications as the number of confirmations
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254 2013-12-18 02:52:09 <abishek> Luke-Jr, is it possible that a walletnotify notication can contain 10 confirmations at one go?
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256 2013-12-18 02:52:36 <Luke-Jr> sure
257 2013-12-18 02:52:37 <abishek> Luke-Jr, or should i receive a notification for every confirmation on the transaction?
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266 2013-12-18 03:07:16 <abishek> Luke-Jr, when to use blocknotify and alertnotify?
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268 2013-12-18 03:09:40 <andytoshi> is there a way i can delete the last few hundred blocks?
269 2013-12-18 03:09:49 <andytoshi> i think the tip of my chain is corrupted
270 2013-12-18 03:12:06 <andytoshi> hmm, no, it's happening with testnet too
271 2013-12-18 03:12:09 <andytoshi> wtf is going on
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280 2013-12-18 03:24:47 <andytoshi> ;;bc,blocks
281 2013-12-18 03:24:48 <gribble> 275543
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288 2013-12-18 03:36:00 <andytoshi> so, if i delete my .bitcoin entirely, i still get this bug
289 2013-12-18 03:36:03 <andytoshi> bitcoind: key.cpp:134: {anonymous}::CECKey::CECKey(): Assertion `pkey != __null' failed.
290 2013-12-18 03:36:09 <andytoshi> does anyone else see this?
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294 2013-12-18 03:38:34 <andytoshi> oh, fsck me, it's using the fedora openssl instead of my own
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315 2013-12-18 04:10:48 <rgenito> i don't know what it's called, but i'm basically trying to "re-broadcast" a payment i made to someone
316 2013-12-18 04:11:02 <rgenito> my bitcoin-qt client crashed when i clicked "send" to send the payment @.@
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319 2013-12-18 04:13:00 <rgenito> needless to say, the transaction is not on the block chain -.-
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323 2013-12-18 04:16:49 <rgenito> heh
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333 2013-12-18 04:24:04 <andytoshi> cool
334 2013-12-18 04:24:09 <andytoshi> do you know how to use gdb?
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336 2013-12-18 04:25:32 <andytoshi> fwiw, bitcoin periodically rebroadcasts transactions automatically while it's running
337 2013-12-18 04:25:43 <andytoshi> so if something didn't get mined, it's still being put out there
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345 2013-12-18 04:29:58 <abishek> what do the fields blocktime, receivedtime and time indicate on a transaction?
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347 2013-12-18 04:30:58 <Luke-Jr> abishek: transactions don't have timestamps, so they're various guesses
348 2013-12-18 04:31:10 <Luke-Jr> abishek: blocktime is the timestamp on the block that mined it
349 2013-12-18 04:31:18 <Luke-Jr> abishek: receivedtime is the time your client first saw it
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351 2013-12-18 04:31:31 <Luke-Jr> time is a "smart" guess based on those and your wallet
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353 2013-12-18 04:31:55 <Luke-Jr> except in extreme cases, time should always be >= the time of the previous transaction in your wallet
354 2013-12-18 04:33:08 <abishek> Luke-Jr, what are the extreme cases that you are refering to?
355 2013-12-18 04:33:27 <Luke-Jr> abishek: clock changes
356 2013-12-18 04:33:30 <Luke-Jr> on your PC
357 2013-12-18 04:33:32 <abishek> ok
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360 2013-12-18 04:33:59 <abishek> thats not gonna change on prod servers, so I can keep that case away
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368 2013-12-18 04:35:57 <abishek> Luke-Jr, do the 3 time fields set only once when the transaction is recd to the wallet or do they change for the confirmations?
369 2013-12-18 04:36:27 <Luke-Jr> only when received, unless the block is removed from the main chain
370 2013-12-18 04:36:30 <Luke-Jr> then blocktime will change
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375 2013-12-18 04:38:45 <abishek> so none of the time fields change for confirmations except for blocktime if the transaction is removed from the main chain?
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377 2013-12-18 04:39:08 <abishek> confirmations received*
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385 2013-12-18 04:42:04 <Luke-Jr> abishek: right
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391 2013-12-18 04:43:42 <abishek> Luke-Jr, thnx
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424 2013-12-18 05:03:08 <abishek> Luke-Jr, I receive the following response (http://take.ms/nzIz0) on the testnet when calling gettransactions. got a few clarifications on it. 1. how do i find which was the sending address and which is the receiving address?
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426 2013-12-18 05:03:51 <Luke-Jr> abishek: there is no sending address, ever.
427 2013-12-18 05:04:02 <Luke-Jr> abishek: addresses are only ever on the receiving end.
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430 2013-12-18 05:04:21 <Luke-Jr> abishek: if the transaction is "send", you sent it *to* the address
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432 2013-12-18 05:04:30 <Luke-Jr> abishek: if the transaction is "receive", you received it *with* the address
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434 2013-12-18 05:05:12 <abishek> the response that I have attached is an internal transaction, meaning I sent it to an address that is within my wallet
435 2013-12-18 05:05:32 <Luke-Jr> yes, I see that.
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438 2013-12-18 05:06:47 <abishek> Luke-Jr, can a account name repeat on a wallet?
439 2013-12-18 05:07:24 <abishek> wrong question
440 2013-12-18 05:07:28 <abishek> forget it
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442 2013-12-18 05:08:12 <Luke-Jr> andytoshi: where's that FAQ you have? probably helpful for abishek :D
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458 2013-12-18 05:21:45 <andytoshi> hey, one sec..
459 2013-12-18 05:22:03 <andytoshi> http://download.wpsoftware.net/bitcoin/bitcoin-faq.pdf
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461 2013-12-18 05:23:03 <abishek> andytoshi, thnx
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535 2013-12-18 06:18:02 <the8thbit> If you just want to have a coin node network relay information, but not add it to the blockchain, how will this effect the network's transactions per second?
536 2013-12-18 06:18:43 <sunspot> the8thbit: I think in order to relay you have to add it to the local blockchain but I could be wrong
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539 2013-12-18 06:19:08 <the8thbit> hmm
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541 2013-12-18 06:19:30 <sunspot> ok, so I've spent a few days playing with an idea to do a raspberry pi hardware wallet and decided to start with linux from scratch
542 2013-12-18 06:19:44 <Luke-Jr> sunspot: you're wrong :P
543 2013-12-18 06:19:55 <sunspot> and discovered to my horror that most of the toochain is impossible to verify with public sigs
544 2013-12-18 06:19:58 <sunspot> Luke-Jr: perhaps
545 2013-12-18 06:19:59 <Luke-Jr> the8thbit: nobody's tried it afaik
546 2013-12-18 06:20:25 <sunspot> so now I have an idea that I should try to convince the authors of the core toolchain and linux itself to verify using the blockchain
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548 2013-12-18 06:20:39 <sunspot> I know bitcoin's not really supposed to be for other than money transactions
549 2013-12-18 06:20:45 <sunspot> but this gets to the core of the technology we're using
550 2013-12-18 06:20:52 <Luke-Jr> sunspot: what? the blockchain doesn't verify stuff like that
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552 2013-12-18 06:21:01 <justusranvier> Are not most of the core toochain sources in Git repositories?
553 2013-12-18 06:21:13 <sunspot> justusranvier: many are still in subversion
554 2013-12-18 06:21:17 <Luke-Jr> justusranvier: probably; I'm not sure sunspot knows what he's talking about.
555 2013-12-18 06:21:29 <Luke-Jr> GLIBC moved to the git SCM in May/June 2009.
556 2013-12-18 06:21:29 <the8thbit> Luke-Jr: That's odd. Would it be difficult to do?
557 2013-12-18 06:21:45 <Luke-Jr> the8thbit: probably not, Bitcoin has a restricted variant in the 'alert' functionality.
558 2013-12-18 06:21:48 <sunspot> most of the downloads are http not https
559 2013-12-18 06:21:49 <Luke-Jr> the8thbit: DoS will be a problem
560 2013-12-18 06:22:00 <Luke-Jr> sunspot: https does nothing to improve security of downloads..
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563 2013-12-18 06:22:18 <Luke-Jr> justusranvier: GCC is Svn, but has an official git mirror
564 2013-12-18 06:22:20 <sunspot> Luke-Jr: nothing is a slight overstatement
565 2013-12-18 06:22:24 <the8thbit> all right, well, I think I have a work around
566 2013-12-18 06:22:31 <Luke-Jr> sunspot: nothing is exactly how much safer it is
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571 2013-12-18 06:23:06 <sunspot> Luke-Jr: ok, then perhaps I'm asking the wrong question
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573 2013-12-18 06:23:29 <sunspot> Luke-Jr: how do you verify that when you're installing an OS you have a verified starting point?
574 2013-12-18 06:23:42 <Luke-Jr> sunspot: you don't.
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576 2013-12-18 06:23:52 <Luke-Jr> it is impossible to detect a well-hidden rootkit.
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579 2013-12-18 06:24:45 <sunspot> Luke-Jr: I'm mostly concerned about network attacks
580 2013-12-18 06:25:40 <abishek> does bitcoin notify about failed transactions?
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582 2013-12-18 06:26:21 <Luke-Jr> abishek: define failed
583 2013-12-18 06:26:32 <Luke-Jr> abishek: transactions never fail really
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585 2013-12-18 06:26:47 <abishek> say, a transaction does not revceive any confirmations in 48 hours, what happens?
586 2013-12-18 06:26:53 <Luke-Jr> abishek: nothing happens.
587 2013-12-18 06:27:26 <abishek> so how should one treat if a transaction never receive confirmations?
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590 2013-12-18 06:28:55 <Luke-Jr> abishek: however you want to treat it.
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594 2013-12-18 06:29:33 <sunspot> Luke-Jr: http://www.proofofexistence.com/ <- assume you've seen that?
595 2013-12-18 06:29:48 <Ekki> is there any bitcoin script I can use to handle payments in bitcoins on a website isntead of paypal?
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597 2013-12-18 06:29:55 <Ekki> *are there
598 2013-12-18 06:29:55 <abishek> Luke-Jr, is it possible for a transaction to receive a confirmation after 48 hours, Is there a time limit for a transaction to receive n confirmations to be a valid one?
599 2013-12-18 06:29:56 <Ekki> -__-
600 2013-12-18 06:30:04 <sunspot> Luke-Jr: that was the inspiration behind the idea to verify releases in the blockchain
601 2013-12-18 06:30:06 <Luke-Jr> sunspot: yes
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603 2013-12-18 06:30:13 <Luke-Jr> sunspot: it doesn't verify releases.
604 2013-12-18 06:30:16 * BlueMatt goes to write a rootkit, shoves it in the blockchain and tells sunspot about it so that he installs the rootkit...
605 2013-12-18 06:30:20 <sunspot> Luke-Jr: I know, but it's halfway there
606 2013-12-18 06:30:20 <Luke-Jr> sunspot: it's just a timestamp that proves the file *existed*
607 2013-12-18 06:30:25 <Luke-Jr> nothing about the file content at all
608 2013-12-18 06:30:30 <sunspot> Luke-Jr: needs identity bit added
609 2013-12-18 06:30:36 <sunspot> Luke-Jr: which I agree is tricky
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612 2013-12-18 06:30:41 <Luke-Jr> the identity bit is done.
613 2013-12-18 06:30:45 <Luke-Jr> it doesn't need a blockchain.
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615 2013-12-18 06:30:57 <Luke-Jr> abishek: no time limit.
616 2013-12-18 06:31:02 <sunspot> Luke-Jr: distribution of the identity bit hasn't been done
617 2013-12-18 06:31:07 <Luke-Jr> sunspot: yes it has
618 2013-12-18 06:31:13 <Luke-Jr> there are lots of PGP keyservers
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620 2013-12-18 06:31:27 <abishek> Luke-Jr, so there is no possibility of a transaction failing and the money returning back to the sender?
621 2013-12-18 06:31:27 <sunspot> but if my network is compromised they all give me the wrong keys
622 2013-12-18 06:31:42 <sunspot> whereas the blockchain can't be compromised
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624 2013-12-18 06:31:51 <Luke-Jr> abishek: not unless the sender does something, right now.
625 2013-12-18 06:32:04 <Luke-Jr> abishek: where "something" probably involves writing code.
626 2013-12-18 06:32:16 <Luke-Jr> sunspot: the blockchain doesn't verify anything either.
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628 2013-12-18 06:32:35 <Luke-Jr> sunspot: the *only* thing the blockchain does, is sort things in a defined order.
629 2013-12-18 06:32:53 <Luke-Jr> sorting identities is useless.
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637 2013-12-18 06:36:12 <abishek> Luke-Jr, can bitcoin remove a transaction from a block?
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644 2013-12-18 06:36:47 <Emcy> nope
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646 2013-12-18 06:37:01 <Emcy> well not a deep block
647 2013-12-18 06:37:06 <Emcy> thats why 6 is recommended
648 2013-12-18 06:37:09 <Luke-Jr> abishek: no.
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651 2013-12-18 06:38:16 <abishek> Luke-Jr, so bitcoin never removes a transaction from the network?
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654 2013-12-18 06:38:36 <Emcy> bitcoin is not an entity
655 2013-12-18 06:38:37 <BlueMatt> Emcy: no, bitcoin can never remove a transaction in a block
656 2013-12-18 06:38:48 <BlueMatt> blocks can, however, no longer be in the longest chain
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658 2013-12-18 06:38:51 <abishek> Luke-Jr, it always stays even if there are no confirmations on a transaction even for a week
659 2013-12-18 06:39:30 <Emcy> if its not confirmed into not in a block. in that case it could gradually be forgotten by the network
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662 2013-12-18 06:40:01 <abishek> Emcy, forgotten meaning removed?
663 2013-12-18 06:40:06 <sunspot> Luke-Jr: I appreciate you explaining why my idea sucks :)
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665 2013-12-18 06:40:17 <Emcy> not expressely removed, just forgotten
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667 2013-12-18 06:40:52 <Emcy> its non deterministic atm. there are changes about cleaning out unconfirmed tx happening
668 2013-12-18 06:41:24 <abishek> so, does bitcoin daemon gets notified of forgotten transactions? I am implementing the walletnotify and am trying to figure out declined or failed transactions
669 2013-12-18 06:41:38 <Emcy> its sort of analogous to short term and long term memory. short term stuff thats not important just fades away
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671 2013-12-18 06:41:42 <Luke-Jr> abishek: you never forget your own
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674 2013-12-18 06:41:56 <Luke-Jr> abishek: it does not detect double spends, which would prevent yours from confirming, note
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676 2013-12-18 06:43:30 <abishek> Luke-Jr, if I receive a payment and that never gets confirmed and if the transaction goes to a state of forgotten, how does my wallet know about it?
677 2013-12-18 06:43:45 <Luke-Jr> abishek: your wallet never forgets it
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679 2013-12-18 06:43:52 <Luke-Jr> forgotten isn't really a state
680 2013-12-18 06:44:13 <abishek> meaning, it just hangs in there as a dummy transaction
681 2013-12-18 06:44:17 <Luke-Jr> yes
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683 2013-12-18 06:45:32 <abishek> how many number of confirmations make a transaction a valid one?
684 2013-12-18 06:47:06 <wumpus> not a dummy transaction, it's rebroadcasted by your wallet
685 2013-12-18 06:47:13 <wumpus> until it is in a block again
686 2013-12-18 06:48:01 <wumpus> and if it never goes into a block, it will be retransmitted forever ...
687 2013-12-18 06:48:08 <abishek> ok
688 2013-12-18 06:48:15 <abishek> that makes more sense
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691 2013-12-18 06:51:06 <abishek> wumpus. Luke-Jr, take a look at this forum post and blockchain notifies about a failed transaction https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=225062.0 , is this something that blockchain.info does based on the time taken to process?
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694 2013-12-18 06:52:04 <wumpus> I don't use or provide support for web wallets, sorry
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696 2013-12-18 06:52:39 <Luke-Jr> ditto
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698 2013-12-18 06:53:06 <Luke-Jr> abishek: in general, blockchain.info is totally broken and misinformative
699 2013-12-18 06:53:19 <Luke-Jr> I'd recommend avoiding it.
700 2013-12-18 06:53:46 <Alina-malina> Luke-Jr, broken?
701 2013-12-18 06:53:53 <Alina-malina> Luke-Jr, please tell me more about it?
702 2013-12-18 06:53:58 <Alina-malina> examples?
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704 2013-12-18 06:54:09 <Luke-Jr> Alina-malina: I'll give one example: it reuses addresses
705 2013-12-18 06:54:19 <Alina-malina> hmm
706 2013-12-18 06:54:24 <abishek> wumpus, Luke-Jr, the question was not about supporting blockchain.info but about the functionality. I am developing using the bitcoind daemon and was wondering what they meant my failed transaction. Is this a misconception by blockchain.info?
707 2013-12-18 06:54:45 <the8thbit> Luke-Jr: How?
708 2013-12-18 06:54:54 <Luke-Jr> abishek: in theory, you could have a transaction which cannot confirm; I don't know what bc.i is referring to though
709 2013-12-18 06:55:19 <BlueMatt> Alina-malina: it layers a number of things on top of bitcoin in the form of interpretations of things that are just plain wrong
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712 2013-12-18 06:57:17 <BlueMatt> (like time-to-confirm for transactions, the transaction ordering, etc)
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715 2013-12-18 06:57:53 <Alina-malina> BlueMatt, it adds additional information to each tx?
716 2013-12-18 06:58:06 <BlueMatt> not really
717 2013-12-18 06:58:17 <BlueMatt> it interprets things in broken ways
718 2013-12-18 06:58:27 <BlueMatt> (and then provides those interpretations via its api)
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728 2013-12-18 07:05:05 <Alina-malina> is there a php script to extract private key of whole wallet.dat file?
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730 2013-12-18 07:05:30 <BlueMatt> bitcointools is python
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734 2013-12-18 07:06:43 <Alina-malina> does this bitcontools in python allow to exctact private key from each created address separately and see how much exactly amount is sitting on that particular address?
735 2013-12-18 07:06:50 <Alina-malina> *extract
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738 2013-12-18 07:07:09 <BlueMatt> addresses do not have a balance
739 2013-12-18 07:07:17 <BlueMatt> nor is there some amount "sitting" in an address
740 2013-12-18 07:07:43 <Alina-malina> so as much addresses i create they are connected to 1 wallet right?
741 2013-12-18 07:07:47 <BlueMatt> yet another fundamental misunderstanding of how bitcoin works thanks to blockchain.info's interpretation
742 2013-12-18 07:08:05 <Alina-malina> yes i agree
743 2013-12-18 07:08:27 <BlueMatt> addresses are just hashes of public keys
744 2013-12-18 07:08:56 <BlueMatt> they dont belong to anything
745 2013-12-18 07:09:01 <Alina-malina> so the bitcoins are stored in wallet.dat file anything comes to any of generated address it is stored in wallet dat right?
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747 2013-12-18 07:09:16 <BlueMatt> what?
748 2013-12-18 07:09:20 <BlueMatt> bitcoins are not stored anywhere
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750 2013-12-18 07:09:29 <BlueMatt> Alina-malina: #bitcoin , please
751 2013-12-18 07:09:33 <Alina-malina> :)
752 2013-12-18 07:09:37 <Alina-malina> loool
753 2013-12-18 07:09:38 <Alina-malina> ok
754 2013-12-18 07:09:43 <BlueMatt> you'll find more people there
755 2013-12-18 07:10:18 <Alina-malina> i just confused from addresses, private keys and accessing bitcoin wallet partly with private key of addresses
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771 2013-12-18 07:20:38 <sunspot> Luke-Jr: out of curiosity, when I originally posted about my idea for a rasp/pi hardware wallet you fired back 'you're wrong' ... could you elaborate?
772 2013-12-18 07:21:13 <Luke-Jr> re [06:14:51] <sunspot> the8thbit: I think in order to relay you have to add it to the local blockchain but I could be wrong
773 2013-12-18 07:21:28 <sunspot> ahh
774 2013-12-18 07:21:40 <sunspot> yea, sloppy of me I should have verified that
775 2013-12-18 07:22:04 <sunspot> I just started running a node about a week ago
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863 2013-12-18 08:38:53 <mtbomb> Anyone know about a Big Endian build error for MacOS ?
864 2013-12-18 08:39:11 <mtbomb> I am on 10.7.5 with intel i5 CPU
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946 2013-12-18 09:46:01 <BW^-> is there any way that i can make bitcoind rescan the entire local bitcoin database,
947 2013-12-18 09:46:03 <BW^-> blockchain
948 2013-12-18 09:46:14 <BW^-> and for instance rebuild a new copy from scratch that is guaranteedly 100% correct?
949 2013-12-18 09:46:33 <BW^-> it crashed once with "broken blockchain database" and i just want to be sure it will not have any other problem at any other point
950 2013-12-18 09:46:53 <BW^-> i see the "-reindex" feature but i guess that's only a partial rebuild
951 2013-12-18 09:47:04 <sipa> it rebuilds completely
952 2013-12-18 09:47:17 <sipa> only blocks are kept
953 2013-12-18 09:47:28 <sipa> and everything else is recreated from that
954 2013-12-18 09:49:26 <Krellan> Thanks sipa
955 2013-12-18 09:49:27 <sipa> except wallet
956 2013-12-18 09:49:49 <Apocalyptic> for the wallet balance you have to -rescan
957 2013-12-18 09:49:50 <Krellan> Interestingly, I restarted bitcoind and it complained about corruption, so I'm doing -reindex = I wanted to anyway, because wanted to enable -txindex
958 2013-12-18 09:50:08 <sipa> what os?
959 2013-12-18 09:50:42 <Krellan> Linux - I'm running 0.8.6 now
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961 2013-12-18 09:51:47 <Krellan> will go back to running git (0.8.99) but wanted to try out 0.8.6 just to be consistent
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965 2013-12-18 09:56:33 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Hmm, I wonder if there have been non-backwards-compatible changes to the indices since 0.8.2
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972 2013-12-18 10:02:46 <lclc> sipa: is this the test-tool you told me yesterday: https://github.com/TheBlueMatt/test-scripts ? Will it just try to connect to a running bitcoin-node on localhost?
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981 2013-12-18 10:05:44 <sipa> lclc: you should run it against a node running in regtest mode
982 2013-12-18 10:05:54 <sipa> exclusively
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984 2013-12-18 10:08:13 <BlueMatt> lclc: sipa you guys realize those scripts are really out-of-date
985 2013-12-18 10:08:22 <BlueMatt> you should just run ./configure --with...something
986 2013-12-18 10:08:31 <BlueMatt> and point it to the magic jar you can find there
987 2013-12-18 10:08:40 <BlueMatt> well, assuming that jar isnt out of date (hint: probably is)
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993 2013-12-18 10:14:21 <lclc> hm ok, thanks. Going to try later
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999 2013-12-18 10:16:44 <sipa> BlueMatt: right, that's what i do
1000 2013-12-18 10:16:54 <sipa> dodn't actually check the link :)
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1013 2013-12-18 10:27:07 <BW^-> sipa: aha, so -reindex means a *complete* reconstruction of the blocks db (i.e. wallet not included), so, any errors in the old blockchain files are guaranteedly cleaned out that way?
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1015 2013-12-18 10:27:30 <BW^-> super, so just, close bitcoind and start with "bitcoind -index" and wait a day or so
1016 2013-12-18 10:27:37 <BW^-> "bitcoind -reindex"
1017 2013-12-18 10:27:50 <BW^-> and ensure there's +100% space during the process.
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1020 2013-12-18 10:28:53 <wumpus> right, for the wallet there is -rescan
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1028 2013-12-18 10:30:47 <ThomasZ> the first time I ran bitcoin-qt, it downloaded about 8gb of blocks and I shut it down, which took forever because it was using all 4Gb or my ram and 2Gb of swap.
1029 2013-12-18 10:31:08 <ThomasZ> using your -reindex, curious what the memory consumption is there.
1030 2013-12-18 10:31:11 <ntio> if blockchain becomes pruned, does it mean that scripts will stop working?
1031 2013-12-18 10:32:07 <sipa> ntio: depends what those scripts do
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1033 2013-12-18 10:32:33 <sipa> ntio: obviously getblock and getrawtransaction won't work with a pruned chain
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1035 2013-12-18 10:33:03 <sipa> ThomasZ: the high memory usage is a bug, but a hard one to solve
1036 2013-12-18 10:33:35 <sipa> it won't be present during a reindex
1037 2013-12-18 10:33:54 <wumpus> you can increase memory usage during reindex with -dbcache=XX :P
1038 2013-12-18 10:33:55 <sipa> as it is related to blocks being downloaded out of order from peers
1039 2013-12-18 10:34:23 <ThomasZ> sipa: ah, interesting. Sounds like a fun problem indeed.
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1043 2013-12-18 10:36:04 <wumpus> sipa: but if the to-be reindexed block data is out of order, won't the same happen?
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1053 2013-12-18 10:52:57 <sipa> wumpus: blocks are written in order to disk
1054 2013-12-18 10:53:13 <sipa> the problem is that we do not write blocks to disk before their PoW is verified
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1056 2013-12-18 10:53:28 <sipa> which requires knowing their ancestors
1057 2013-12-18 10:53:49 <wumpus> sipa: ahh right.. *because* blocks are written in order they need to be buffered until their dependent blocks have arrived
1058 2013-12-18 10:53:59 <sipa> yup
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1061 2013-12-18 10:54:36 <sipa> in headersfirst, you can verify PoW without knowing the full blocks of parents
1062 2013-12-18 10:54:51 <sipa> so they can be written to disk immediately
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1066 2013-12-18 10:57:35 <wumpus> great!
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1077 2013-12-18 11:08:26 <BW^-> how do I specify what temp directory -reindex should use?
1078 2013-12-18 11:08:34 <BW^-> it apparently uses a volume (windows default temp??) that runs out of disk space
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1082 2013-12-18 11:18:04 <wumpus> BW^-: AFAIK it simply uses the data directory
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1087 2013-12-18 11:23:40 <wumpus> only the tests use the GetTempDir function to get the default temp
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1093 2013-12-18 11:25:22 <ThomasZ> sipa: so, to avoid holding the blocks in memory for excessive time they need to be spooled to disk, to a temp-file or something...
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1095 2013-12-18 11:26:22 <wumpus> ThomasZ: seems that with headers-first that's not even needed
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1105 2013-12-18 11:42:41 <hydrogenesis> hey guys
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1110 2013-12-18 11:44:10 <hydrogenesis> one of my friend is considering integrating DHT into bitcoin
1111 2013-12-18 11:44:22 <hydrogenesis> Any ideas?
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1121 2013-12-18 11:50:57 <sturles> What would you use that for?
1122 2013-12-18 11:51:55 <Emcy> bitcoin will get a DHT one day
1123 2013-12-18 11:52:00 <Emcy> by hook or by crook
1124 2013-12-18 11:52:12 <Emcy> if not only to annoy gregory.....
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1128 2013-12-18 11:57:58 <wumpus> I'm surprised even mentioning DHT doesn't cause a ban here yet :)
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1144 2013-12-18 12:12:16 <hydrogenesis> I get it.. DHT must get mentioned every week or month. But seriously, how could we enhance qps by 100x without a scalable storage plan?
1145 2013-12-18 12:13:06 <t7> i can resolve my torrents over the bitcoin protocol now?
1146 2013-12-18 12:13:26 <hydrogenesis> DHT doesn't necessarily mean Bittorrent
1147 2013-12-18 12:15:26 <t7> what other things are they used for (in the real world)
1148 2013-12-18 12:16:25 <hydrogenesis> None.
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1153 2013-12-18 12:19:45 <hydrogenesis> According to http://www.cs.huji.ac.il/~avivz/pubs/13/btc_scalability_full.pdf, bitcoin tx processing could be accelerated by 200x. However by simple calculation, there would be a 24 GB increase in size of the block chain per day.
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1165 2013-12-18 12:33:51 <BW^-> wumpus: ah right, you were right - thanks for pointing out.
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1167 2013-12-18 12:36:13 <wumpus> hydrogenesis: sure -- don't feel stifled. If you want to propose some distributed storage scheme, write a concrete plan / paper / implementation for that, it's just that it gets mentioned all the time in an off-hand fashion by people that have no clue how difficult it actually is in the context of bitcoin
1168 2013-12-18 12:36:22 <alphaw0lf> anyone know of any good c# code samples/wrappers/tutorials for connecting to qt client rpc server?
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1177 2013-12-18 12:42:30 <hydrogenesis> wumpus: Thanks for helping me out. I do feel bad recently in an unfriendly country which is China, doing bitcoin-promoting work :) Actually the work has already began and we are writing a few proposals
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1201 2013-12-18 13:01:55 <ThomasZ> hydrogenesis: you are in china? Any reports from the ground? The price indicates wild fear and chaos.
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1203 2013-12-18 13:02:14 <sipa> ThomasZ: #bitcoin please
1204 2013-12-18 13:02:26 <hydrogenesis> ThomasZ: private let's go
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1213 2013-12-18 13:15:25 <tholenst> This is very strange to me; I made some minor changes to my pull request. The pull tester first passed, and then fails with "bad balance" in a block chain test, even though the changes I made between my two commits are only in the unit test.
1214 2013-12-18 13:16:07 <tholenst> (I mean, the pull tester of the second test fails)
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1217 2013-12-18 13:19:57 <sipa> ThomasZ: make some dummy change and let it run again
1218 2013-12-18 13:20:28 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|tholenst: what sipa said above
1219 2013-12-18 13:20:44 <tholenst> ok
1220 2013-12-18 13:20:45 <sipa> eh, tholenst: indeed
1221 2013-12-18 13:22:16 <tholenst> :)
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1223 2013-12-18 13:26:09 <tholenst> Btw there's one thing where I don't know what to do: in the uint-class, the method get64() allows you to access 64-bit large parts of the given uint. In a uint160 you can only access the most significant with uint.Get64(2). However, in this case there seems to be a bug, as the array index is out of range. But nobody *ever* uses Get64() with an argument different from 0...
1224 2013-12-18 13:26:40 <sipa> tholenst: rename it to GetLow64() :)
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1226 2013-12-18 13:27:56 <tholenst> sipa: and change the few places where it is used? I think that would be a good solution, should I do that? Also: would I use a different pull request for this, since it doesn't only change test-code?
1227 2013-12-18 13:28:16 <sipa> tholenst: yup (can be the same pullreq, but in a separate commit too, imho)
1228 2013-12-18 13:28:37 <tholenst> sipa: ty. I'll do that later today, I have some work to do
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1286 2013-12-18 14:43:45 <tcatm> Wasn't there an option that makes bitcoind much less verbose?
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1288 2013-12-18 14:44:32 <Emcy> less? it doesnt return anything unless you tell it
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1292 2013-12-18 14:46:08 <andytoshi> is the option >/dev/null? ;)
1293 2013-12-18 14:46:39 <wumpus> you mean in the debug log tcatm?
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1295 2013-12-18 14:47:20 <wumpus> no, I only know options to make it even more verbose
1296 2013-12-18 14:47:51 <tcatm> wumpus: Yes, I mean debug.log (or -printtoconsole in my case).
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1298 2013-12-18 14:48:33 <wumpus> master filters debug messages into categories, which are disabled by default, so maybe it's slightly less verbose by default
1299 2013-12-18 14:48:34 <Emcy> is it not better to get the logfile instead and grep it later for what you need?
1300 2013-12-18 14:50:13 <tcatm> Emcy: That's not my use case. I need a stream on stdout with just the important bits (like errors, new blocks, maybe tx).
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1303 2013-12-18 14:51:15 <Emcy> i thought it could send alerts on the rpc for that stuff. How do exchanges and stuff do it?
1304 2013-12-18 14:51:33 <tcatm> That's not my usecase either ;)
1305 2013-12-18 14:51:36 <Emcy> they have custom daemons i think?
1306 2013-12-18 14:52:10 <tcatm> I'm running it under supervision of another daemon that takes care of writing the log from stdout somewhere.
1307 2013-12-18 14:52:28 <Emcy> if you write code for it do a pull request for it.......sounds useful
1308 2013-12-18 14:53:16 <sipa> tcatm: do you want to make it less verbose or more?
1309 2013-12-18 14:53:22 <tcatm> sipa: less
1310 2013-12-18 14:53:28 <wumpus> Emcy: some people run custom daemons that send notifications to zeromq and such
1311 2013-12-18 14:53:31 <sipa> even less than head is now?
1312 2013-12-18 14:53:40 <sipa> head has almost no debug out by default
1313 2013-12-18 14:53:54 <tcatm> oh maybe I should try HEAD than
1314 2013-12-18 14:54:44 <tcatm> oh, I made a very stupid mistake :)
1315 2013-12-18 14:55:22 <tcatm> for some reason I assumed the bitcoind in ubuntu would be recent
1316 2013-12-18 14:55:58 <tcatm> turns out it's 0.3.24-beta. I'm actually a bit surprised it was able to catch up that far.
1317 2013-12-18 14:55:59 <wumpus> don't ever use the bitcoind in ubuntu
1318 2013-12-18 14:56:03 <wumpus> you can use the ppa though
1319 2013-12-18 14:56:17 <wumpus> it's updated by BlueMatt and at 0.8.6
1320 2013-12-18 14:56:49 <tcatm> https://launchpad.net/~bitcoin/+archive/bitcoin this one?
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1325 2013-12-18 14:58:13 <Emcy> tcatm lols
1326 2013-12-18 14:58:17 <Emcy> how far did it get?
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1328 2013-12-18 15:01:43 * sipa feels tcatm isn't very up-to-date with development
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1344 2013-12-18 15:22:27 <tcatm> can bitcoind be run without rpc?
1345 2013-12-18 15:22:34 <Joric> ho-ho-ho
1346 2013-12-18 15:22:55 <tcatm> i.e. without setting a password in .bitcoin/bitcoin.conf?
1347 2013-12-18 15:23:02 <kjj> yes
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1352 2013-12-18 15:25:35 <tcatm> doesn't work here :/
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1354 2013-12-18 15:25:53 <tcatm> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=1MuKk8pM
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1359 2013-12-18 15:30:04 <Joric> how are you doing, guys? gmaxwell?
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1369 2013-12-18 15:36:26 <wumpus> no, bitcoind cannot be run without RPC
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1372 2013-12-18 15:37:42 <wumpus> using bitcoind implies -server
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1380 2013-12-18 15:42:41 <tcatm> Dockerfile for running bitcoind (if someone else has use for it): http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=b7V4emrg
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1387 2013-12-18 15:53:45 <Emcy> tcatm what website do you run? is it BCC
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1393 2013-12-18 15:57:17 <tcatm> Emcy: What's BCC?
1394 2013-12-18 15:57:53 <ne0futur> bitcoincharts
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1403 2013-12-18 16:07:36 <HaltingState> is there an anti gribble spam command
1404 2013-12-18 16:07:49 <HaltingState> so he stops warning me not to be n00b everytime i login
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1420 2013-12-18 16:19:25 <t7> one day you will forget
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1430 2013-12-18 16:28:02 <diki> woah, btcguild found a few blocks in a row
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1438 2013-12-18 16:34:13 <LoRez> ;;ticker
1439 2013-12-18 16:34:14 <gribble> MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 581.12001, Best ask: 583.60482, Bid-ask spread: 2.48481, Last trade: 581.12001, 24 hour volume: 95776.52810166, 24 hour low: 455.0, 24 hour high: 750.3614, 24 hour vwap: 568.70613
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1518 2013-12-18 17:42:10 <lechuga> transaction fees seem liek they make bitcoin way less useful than it could be
1519 2013-12-18 17:42:57 <Apocalyptic> #bitcoin
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1543 2013-12-18 18:05:00 <midnightmagic> lechuga: transaction fees are what prevents unlimited tx spam
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1547 2013-12-18 18:09:38 <lechuga> just read up on bitwall
1548 2013-12-18 18:09:49 <lechuga> seems like they + coinbase r on the right track in this regard
1549 2013-12-18 18:10:43 <lechuga> kind of sucks that every1 would need to have an account with them
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1551 2013-12-18 18:10:46 <lechuga> to facilitate it
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1553 2013-12-18 18:12:07 <lechuga> managing user accounts seems obnoxious
1554 2013-12-18 18:12:09 <lechuga> + overhead
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1556 2013-12-18 18:17:08 <Krellan> Hi, should I be concerned about this debug message in 0.8.6? mapOrphan overflow, removed 1 tx
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1568 2013-12-18 18:27:58 <gmaxwell> Krellan: no, it's not concerning by itself.
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1573 2013-12-18 18:33:02 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Anyone feel like decompiling a piece of (assumed) Java malware and figuring out what it does?
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1575 2013-12-18 18:33:51 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|On a related note, anyone know of any bitcointalk mods that can take down a malware post in the newbie forums?
1576 2013-12-18 18:33:54 <phantomcircuit> Krellan, that's good, it means it's working correctly :)
1577 2013-12-18 18:34:00 <phantomcircuit> (it's a limited map)
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1617 2013-12-18 19:18:30 <Krellan> phantomcircuit: Thanks
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1620 2013-12-18 19:19:31 <midnightmagic> michagogo|cloud: decompiling java is super easy. I'd love a copy of whatever java you have. Can you put it up somewhere for download?
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1623 2013-12-18 19:23:55 <Intelftw> Hello, I'm developing a pool server and have one question. What keeps the miner from not submitting a block to the server? For proportional pool miners benefit by submitting it but what about PPS pools? Miner could keep shares that meet the target while pool would go bankrupt soon
1624 2013-12-18 19:24:26 <sipa> Intelftw: nothing
1625 2013-12-18 19:24:37 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Intelftw: Why would the miner want that, though?
1626 2013-12-18 19:24:51 <sipa> it's pure vandalism, but it's possible
1627 2013-12-18 19:24:52 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(but yeah, that's just another reason that PPS is risky for pool owners)
1628 2013-12-18 19:25:51 <Intelftw> Right. Now I see a point in block finder bounties :D
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1632 2013-12-18 19:32:51 <uiop> Intelftw: http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/4943/what-is-a-block-withholding-attack
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1637 2013-12-18 19:38:33 <midnightmagic> michagogo|cloud: There are two class files in that jar. Here are the decompiled versions: http://0bin.net/paste/UC8vW0HZSjcqf6q4#PE7WHjIxSm2uKxY6TY/yMX4XfWqidefS9DGhgS2gavU= and http://0bin.net/paste/F26W+QbLHbs9pw08#aMJV5wqRnU/C45YlVaGeqOsTHPVKFoW4N9oS1cMP2LY=
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1642 2013-12-18 19:40:08 <midnightmagic> michagogo|cloud: It's slightly obfuscated but not really. I'm sure it'd be possible to manually trace whatever URL it's building using the file decode keyfile in the jarfile.
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1644 2013-12-18 19:41:55 <midnightmagic> michagogo|cloud: Hrm. It's possible the decompiler I'm using doesn't like those class files. It's just jad.
1645 2013-12-18 19:42:00 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|But what does it actually do?
1646 2013-12-18 19:42:08 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|jad?
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1648 2013-12-18 19:43:33 <midnightmagic> michagogo|cloud: *looks* like it's a straight grab-something-from-a-url-and-try-to-execute-it.
1649 2013-12-18 19:43:50 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Ah
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1651 2013-12-18 19:44:18 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|So just a gateway to get something else to run?
1652 2013-12-18 19:44:21 <midnightmagic> michagogo|cloud: So this isn't the real malware. The real malware lives at the end of the executable. It would probably be quicker to let it run inside a net-disconnected virtualbox and just trap the URL in a tcpdump.
1653 2013-12-18 19:44:29 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I wonder what it downloads.
1654 2013-12-18 19:44:51 <lianj> midnightmagic: yea, was just suggesting that too
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1658 2013-12-18 19:45:38 <midnightmagic> malware is pretty boring these days. the real hackers have moved on to more interesting things and all the sexy self-modifying assembly has been displaced by silly visual basic rote nonsense.
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1660 2013-12-18 19:46:26 <midnightmagic> except badbios. What I wouldn't give to get my hands on that. :)
1661 2013-12-18 19:46:46 <Apocalyptic> midnightmagic, you're good at windows reversing ?
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1663 2013-12-18 19:49:18 <midnightmagic> Apocalyptic: not really. +fravia was good. I'm just a random comp-sci guy.
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1665 2013-12-18 19:50:25 <Apocalyptic> I've made a malware-like crackme some years ago, fully written in ASM, some crypto stuff, i'm sure you won't find it boring
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1668 2013-12-18 19:52:22 <lianj> rot13?
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1670 2013-12-18 19:54:25 <uiop> lianj: rot26!
1671 2013-12-18 19:54:27 <midnightmagic> Apocalyptic: Does it compute with pagefaults? :-)
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1673 2013-12-18 19:55:03 <Apocalyptic> probably not :)
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1675 2013-12-18 19:55:32 <Apocalyptic> it has some weirds kernel-related specs that will make it run only in win xp though
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1678 2013-12-18 19:58:26 <midnightmagic> neat
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1741 2013-12-18 20:40:40 <jegz> hey hey, long time no see. what's the status of this? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2861
1742 2013-12-18 20:41:04 <jegz> the pull request was closed but i'm still not sure on whether it's in or out
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1745 2013-12-18 20:43:24 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|jegz: If it was closed and not merged, it's out
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1747 2013-12-18 20:43:38 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(at least for now, there is a reopen button)
1748 2013-12-18 20:44:07 <tholenst> no, it was rebased: I think this is the current one: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/3383
1749 2013-12-18 20:44:11 <Luke-Jr> jegz: it's not suitable for merging.
1750 2013-12-18 20:44:31 <sipa> jegz: there's a more up-to-date version https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/3383
1751 2013-12-18 20:44:38 <sipa> oh, tholenst already said that
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1763 2013-12-18 20:54:15 <tholenst> well, just a few seconds before you :)
1764 2013-12-18 20:54:17 <jegz> cool thanks
1765 2013-12-18 20:54:25 <jegz> hope it gets merged soon
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1774 2013-12-18 20:59:00 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|gmaxwell: How come you and your SO share a NickServ account?
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1778 2013-12-18 20:59:44 <sipa> i really wondered for a second how gmaxwell could share a freenode account with his stack overflow...
1779 2013-12-18 20:59:56 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|It got very confusing the other day when I was wondering who the ops in the research/future channel were
1780 2013-12-18 20:59:59 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|sipa: heh
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1782 2013-12-18 21:00:15 <sipa> (it shows that I have no SO, i guess...)
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1792 2013-12-18 21:04:57 <gmaxwell> michagogo|cloud: historical reasons. We were getting attacked by the GNAA while sharing a computer, and any time we switched nicks to block them because we had not-completely-overlapping access in the wikimedia channels, they'd get our IP and DDOS it. Merging the accounts was the expedient solution, and couldn't easily be undone after.
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1794 2013-12-18 21:05:50 <gmaxwell> michagogo|cloud: doesn't really present any additional security considerations, considering we've had unrestricted physical access to each others hardware for over a decade.
1795 2013-12-18 21:06:04 <gmaxwell> and its been handy some other times.
1796 2013-12-18 21:06:14 <sipa> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_Nigger_Association_of_America :o ?
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1798 2013-12-18 21:06:49 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|"couldn't easily be undone"?
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1800 2013-12-18 21:08:38 <gmaxwell> michagogo|cloud: my original account was destroyed by the prorcess, I'd have to create a new account and go around granting it permisions is gazillions of channels. meh. Seems like a waste of time, considering the only real cost to the current setup is the occasional confused questions.
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1802 2013-12-18 21:09:00 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Ah, right
1803 2013-12-18 21:09:06 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|The flags issue.
1804 2013-12-18 21:10:19 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(If I were in your position, I think I'd add a note to the account so that people who see "mindspillage" in access lists could see "Oh, that's gmaxwell" with a simple /ns info mindspillage...)
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1811 2013-12-18 21:23:25 <robonerd> man, i'll bet i know who the GNAA guys are
1812 2013-12-18 21:23:33 <melvster> anyone know is the bitcoin: uri scheme designed to be compatible with testnet too?
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1815 2013-12-18 21:24:13 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|melvster: I believe so
1816 2013-12-18 21:24:22 <melvster> perfect, thanks
1817 2013-12-18 21:24:31 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(don't quote me on that though)
1818 2013-12-18 21:24:49 <melvster> ok :)
1819 2013-12-18 21:25:11 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|At one point I tested a version of the payment protocol at Gavin's request, and there definitely were bitcoin: links there that involved testnet
1820 2013-12-18 21:25:28 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|But I don't know what state that code was in, and how it's actually handled.
1821 2013-12-18 21:27:21 <melvster> im just interested in the design principle at this point
1822 2013-12-18 21:27:38 <melvster> code can be fixed once you know what is *supposed* to happen
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1824 2013-12-18 21:28:19 <Intelftw> How do I generate scriptSig for coinbase tx? Can it be any data such as extranonces?
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1826 2013-12-18 21:29:01 <lianj> Intelftw: block ver 2 requires the block height at the start
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1828 2013-12-18 21:30:38 <Intelftw> And thats the only requirement? I see every pool server includes different data there such as flags, time, etc
1829 2013-12-18 21:31:19 <lianj> iirc block height is the only requirement
1830 2013-12-18 21:32:55 <Intelftw> thx
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1836 2013-12-18 21:35:06 <sipa> indeed; see bip34
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1849 2013-12-18 21:47:44 <berndj> anyone want to poke some holes into an off-chain payments mechanism i've been tossing around in my head?
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1851 2013-12-18 21:48:30 <tcatm> berndj: sure :)
1852 2013-12-18 21:48:56 <berndj> key insight was https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Green_address - and to use those to make "promises" of later payment, but that (by convention) don't get mined into blocks
1853 2013-12-18 21:49:33 <berndj> they'd probably not even have tx fees, or be flooded through the network, but transmitter directly to the accepting merchant
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1856 2013-12-18 21:50:32 <berndj> so if i'm a coinbase customer and my grocer is a bitpay merchant, coinbase might send bitpay a "fake" tx (fake in that we want it *not* to hit the blockchain, but otherwise completely valid)
1857 2013-12-18 21:51:00 <maaku> berndj: it must eventually hit the block chain for any transactions built on it to be valid
1858 2013-12-18 21:51:08 <kinlo> is there a way to do getrawtransaction on a transaction not in your wallet ? I need it for ec9d69b1c30dd91529e2f5a5636354a310a79b9b83622cfd79c8da9daa4d4132 (testnet!!)
1859 2013-12-18 21:51:09 <maaku> so why wait? that benefits noone escept a scammer
1860 2013-12-18 21:51:26 <maaku> kinlo: -txindex
1861 2013-12-18 21:51:30 <sipa> kinlo: yes, enable -txindex
1862 2013-12-18 21:51:33 <berndj> at the end of the day/week/month, bitpay can send all those "fake" tx it got, along with new tx that send it on to a collect-all address
1863 2013-12-18 21:51:44 <kinlo> that automatically rebuilds that index?
1864 2013-12-18 21:52:01 <sipa> you need to rebuild the chainstate for that
1865 2013-12-18 21:52:05 <sipa> with -reindex
1866 2013-12-18 21:52:10 <berndj> and then coinbase responds by bundling them all up into a single high-value payment, that does hit the blockchain
1867 2013-12-18 21:52:19 <kinlo> so -reindex -txindex should do the trick
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1869 2013-12-18 21:52:41 <sipa> berndj: how about they just send some number?
1870 2013-12-18 21:52:48 <sipa> why a bitcoin transaction at all
1871 2013-12-18 21:52:54 <berndj> maaku, if bitpay accepts coinbase's "promise" then it can hit the blockchain much later
1872 2013-12-18 21:52:58 <sipa> they trust eachother apparantly
1873 2013-12-18 21:53:24 <berndj> sipa: because what if the merchant *isn't* a bitpay merchant, but runs their own node?
1874 2013-12-18 21:53:40 <berndj> then they can accept the tx and get it mined into a block
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1876 2013-12-18 21:54:07 <berndj> sipa, what do you mean "just send some number"?
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1878 2013-12-18 21:54:37 <tholenst> berdnj: You would sign the corresponding message: instead of giving a transaction, you simply send a (signed) message that you're giving the money later
1879 2013-12-18 21:55:03 <berndj> tholenst, that's great and all, but isn't backwards-compatible
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1881 2013-12-18 21:55:19 <berndj> it *requires* the parties to implement some new protocol
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1885 2013-12-18 21:55:45 <tholenst> true; and in any case I agree, if they trust each other they can do this
1886 2013-12-18 21:56:27 <sipa> berndj: how does your proposal not require that?
1887 2013-12-18 21:56:36 <berndj> tholenst, is what you're saying that bitpay/coinbase/et al can choose to trust each other and implement some supplemental protocol independently of how they support independent merchants?
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1889 2013-12-18 21:56:42 <sipa> you're sending fake transactions
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1891 2013-12-18 21:57:12 <berndj> sipa: you dropped my quotes :p i said "\"fake\"" and not "fake"
1892 2013-12-18 21:57:22 <sipa> also, new protocols imho are inevitable
1893 2013-12-18 21:57:26 <berndj> sorry for misusing words, i hadn't thought of a better one
1894 2013-12-18 21:57:37 <sipa> i think it is exactly accurate :)
1895 2013-12-18 21:57:40 <berndj> all i meant by "fake" was "not intended to hit the blockchain"
1896 2013-12-18 21:57:48 <berndj> (but otherwise completely valid)
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1898 2013-12-18 21:58:11 <sipa> what if it hits the blockchain anyway?
1899 2013-12-18 21:58:16 <BlueMatt> berndj: if party a and b trust each other and either are paying each other, there is no need to make a bitcoin transaction at all, just send a signed message that says "I agree to pay you X at some point later"
1900 2013-12-18 21:58:17 <sipa> how do you prevent that?
1901 2013-12-18 21:58:30 <BlueMatt> berndj: if party A trusts party B, they already know this
1902 2013-12-18 21:58:46 <BlueMatt> no need to make a bitcoin transaction at all for others, because you already know you dont trust them, no?
1903 2013-12-18 21:58:48 <berndj> if it hits the blockchain anyway, it's no big deal - the blockchain gets a bit bigger than it needs to be
1904 2013-12-18 21:59:05 <sipa> i know, not what i mean
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1906 2013-12-18 21:59:26 <sipa> you still want to avoid it, so you'll have to take some measure to prevent it
1907 2013-12-18 21:59:31 <berndj> BlueMatt, what i'm trying to get at is a way to make it easier to establish these trust relationships
1908 2013-12-18 21:59:48 <sipa> like using a private communication channel outside of the p2p protocol
1909 2013-12-18 21:59:56 <berndj> i might trust coinbase, but to them i'm just some random - why would they enter into any agreement with me?
1910 2013-12-18 22:00:01 <BlueMatt> berndj: the difficult part is not setting up the communication channel, the difficult part is establishing the trust itself...
1911 2013-12-18 22:00:15 <BlueMatt> berndj: because you have a coinbase account?
1912 2013-12-18 22:00:18 <BlueMatt> or a bitpay account?
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1914 2013-12-18 22:00:21 <kjj> it works fine when it works fine, but when it goes to hell, it turns into a race, each side trying to broadcast doubles that negate the transactions their partners are holding, while trying to get their held transactions in before their partners can double
1915 2013-12-18 22:00:31 <BlueMatt> in either case you arent touching the btc, you're just a third party
1916 2013-12-18 22:00:56 <berndj> BlueMatt, because i'm just some survivalist crackpot running a full node in my bunker - no bitpay/coinbase/anything
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1920 2013-12-18 22:02:17 <berndj> sipa: are we *currently* avoiding inter-payment-service blockchain bloat?
1921 2013-12-18 22:02:40 <BlueMatt> berndj: my point is: if you trust coinbase, its easy enough to just sign up for an account there and accept txn via that, if you dont, then you dont care
1922 2013-12-18 22:02:47 <sipa> i'm sure we soon will
1923 2013-12-18 22:02:59 <BlueMatt> sipa: Ive been sure of that for years, but still not :(
1924 2013-12-18 22:03:04 <berndj> BlueMatt, i don't want to accept txn via them, only *from* their customers
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1926 2013-12-18 22:03:15 <sipa> and payment protocols are necessary in any case, independent from that
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1928 2013-12-18 22:03:21 <tholenst> if you already have trust, then you don't need to send transactions (though you can of course). if the goal is the help to establish trust initially, I agree with kjj: what if someone starts abusing it? it seems to go to hell
1929 2013-12-18 22:03:42 <BlueMatt> berndj: accepting txn from their customers is the same thing
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1931 2013-12-18 22:04:07 <BlueMatt> berndj: there is no such thing as accepting a txn from a coinbase customer, coinbase is sending the txn
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1933 2013-12-18 22:04:18 <berndj> i'm not familiar enough with coinbase to really comment on that
1934 2013-12-18 22:04:28 <BlueMatt> (this is true for any bitcoin service)
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1938 2013-12-18 22:04:53 <berndj> but i don't want to have to keep my coin on someone else's cloud, even if i trust them to be honest and honour promises to pay on demand
1939 2013-12-18 22:05:31 <BlueMatt> so what do you want?
1940 2013-12-18 22:05:35 <lianj> thats why in bitcoin you have options: own storage or cloud
1941 2013-12-18 22:05:45 <BlueMatt> transactions that you /could/ put on the chain if you want but arent on the chain unless you have to?
1942 2013-12-18 22:05:52 <lianj> but i think berndj is talking about offchain txns, no?
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1944 2013-12-18 22:06:01 <berndj> lianj, yes i am
1945 2013-12-18 22:06:08 <BlueMatt> so...payment channels?
1946 2013-12-18 22:06:36 <lianj> berndj: come up with a solid protocol that everyone can use if they want offchain txs
1947 2013-12-18 22:06:39 <lianj> :)
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1949 2013-12-18 22:06:49 <maaku> berndj: what's the problem you're solving?
1950 2013-12-18 22:06:49 <berndj> if that's what i think it is, then no: i don't want to tie up some amount that sets the channel up
1951 2013-12-18 22:06:50 <lianj> (or need, for that matter)
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1953 2013-12-18 22:07:24 <berndj> maaku: 5 billion people wanting to buy milk or a loaf of bread once a day or so
1954 2013-12-18 22:07:26 <BlueMatt> berndj: can you quantify /exactly/ what you want from this protocol?
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1957 2013-12-18 22:07:59 <berndj> BlueMatt, i'm working on that. but i can only think so far without rubberducking it a bit :)
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1961 2013-12-18 22:11:47 <maaku> berndj: but it has to hit the block chain eventually
1962 2013-12-18 22:11:58 <maaku> it doesn't matter if it's now or a week from now or a year from now
1963 2013-12-18 22:12:11 <maaku> so you don't get any benefit from keeping it off-chain
1964 2013-12-18 22:12:25 <lianj> for tiny txs it matters
1965 2013-12-18 22:12:27 <berndj> BlueMatt, one thing i want is for an off-chain payments protocol that doesn't freeze out services - i don't just want animal farm dressed in bitcoin clothes
1966 2013-12-18 22:12:32 <maaku> you just get the risk that someone along the way double-spends
1967 2013-12-18 22:12:40 <maaku> lianj: not if you eventually hit the chain anyway
1968 2013-12-18 22:12:43 <maaku> you still have to pay that fee
1969 2013-12-18 22:13:00 <sipa> maaku: his proposal is to accumulate multiple small payments between services into a single transaction, afaict
1970 2013-12-18 22:13:13 <lianj> maaku: true, but some offchain the makes it into the chain eventually would combine those mircotransactions then, i hope
1971 2013-12-18 22:13:31 <maaku> lianj: yeah that's not what he's describing, as far as I can tell
1972 2013-12-18 22:13:44 <sipa> but payment channels solve this with far less trust imho
1973 2013-12-18 22:13:45 <berndj> maaku, i don't see how it *has* to; the promising service can eventually spend the coin out from under the promises without reneging on its commitment to honour those promises in some way later
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1975 2013-12-18 22:14:51 <berndj> sipa, does "payment channels" refer to that thing where the usual example is "i'm walking past someone's wifi network and i'd like to use it"?
1976 2013-12-18 22:15:00 <sipa> yes
1977 2013-12-18 22:15:18 <BlueMatt> berndj: if you're dealing with someone big (like coinbase) paying you, they couldnt care less about locking in a payment channel
1978 2013-12-18 22:15:20 <sipa> but it also only results in a single transaction being made
1979 2013-12-18 22:15:25 <BlueMatt> they have the money to cover it
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1981 2013-12-18 22:15:27 <berndj> ok. well each such interaction results in at least one tx hitting the blockchain, right?
1982 2013-12-18 22:15:33 <BlueMatt> no
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1984 2013-12-18 22:15:38 <BlueMatt> the initial transaction does
1985 2013-12-18 22:15:43 <BlueMatt> then you get one ore to close the channel
1986 2013-12-18 22:15:44 <BlueMatt> thats i
1987 2013-12-18 22:15:46 <BlueMatt> t
1988 2013-12-18 22:15:53 <sipa> it's an amount being sent that is constantly renegotiated
1989 2013-12-18 22:15:55 <BlueMatt> and you can lock in the channel for a month if you want
1990 2013-12-18 22:16:05 <maaku> berndj: if someone, somewhere down th eline eventually wants to get their coins on the chain, then they have to get all the previous transactions on the chain too
1991 2013-12-18 22:16:07 <maaku> you can't skip them
1992 2013-12-18 22:16:20 <berndj> ok so 5 billion people want to buy milk roughly once a day: they each make that initial transaction
1993 2013-12-18 22:16:27 <BlueMatt> no
1994 2013-12-18 22:16:39 <BlueMatt> if they're all coinbase customers, there is 1 initial transaction
1995 2013-12-18 22:16:41 <sipa> it would be one payment channel between bitpay and coinbase
1996 2013-12-18 22:16:53 <BlueMatt> if they are untrusted single-party customers, there is no way to avoid at least one tx on-chain
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1998 2013-12-18 22:16:56 <sipa> and it would result in one transaction eventually on the chain
1999 2013-12-18 22:17:08 <berndj> sipa: *bing* (lightbulb)
2000 2013-12-18 22:17:26 <sipa> :)
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2002 2013-12-18 22:17:45 <berndj> now how about between bitpay and berndjbase?
2003 2013-12-18 22:17:45 <sipa> but talk to BlueMatt l, he implemented it
2004 2013-12-18 22:17:52 <lianj> sipa: at least for a start that sounds interesting, but excludes any real bitcoin wallet then, no?
2005 2013-12-18 22:18:20 <BlueMatt> berndj: if bitpay is paying you in increments, they can lock in some amount they're willing to lock in
2006 2013-12-18 22:18:20 <sipa> lianj: well it is between coinbase's and bitpay's wallet...
2007 2013-12-18 22:18:23 <BlueMatt> and thn increment the channel
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2009 2013-12-18 22:18:32 <lianj> sipa: yea
2010 2013-12-18 22:18:37 <BlueMatt> if its between two parties with trust in both directions, they dont need anything at all
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2016 2013-12-18 22:20:51 <berndj> this has been productive (for me), thanks. i'd been mentally blocked on payment channels being just for low-trust quasi-continuous payments, and never realized it could be used to settle between wallet services
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2021 2013-12-18 22:21:36 <BlueMatt> they're one-in-the-same :)
2022 2013-12-18 22:21:53 <BlueMatt> they are for zero-trust quasi-continuous payments
2023 2013-12-18 22:22:10 <BlueMatt> but thats what wallet service settlements require
2024 2013-12-18 22:22:20 <BlueMatt> (without the zero-trust part, thats just a nice addition)
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2026 2013-12-18 22:23:40 <sipa> well if both parties trust eachother there is no need even for payment channels
2027 2013-12-18 22:23:56 <sipa> they could just send some signed note promising to compensate later
2028 2013-12-18 22:23:58 <berndj> can you adjust the channel in either direction, or can you only increment?
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2030 2013-12-18 22:24:20 <lianj> sipa: sounds like ripple
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2032 2013-12-18 22:24:33 <BlueMatt> berndj: sadly, only increment, but you can just use two channels :)
2033 2013-12-18 22:25:13 <berndj> ok, that was going to be my followup. i don't think it's all that sad. much better than 30 satoshi txs spamming the blockchain!
2034 2013-12-18 22:28:30 <berndj> just producing a qr code that encodes my address won't really be enough anymore in this post-visa world, will it?
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2037 2013-12-18 22:29:30 <berndj> if i sell milk, then my customer's wallet will have to know where to tell their wallet service to increment a payment channel, no?
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2039 2013-12-18 22:29:52 <BlueMatt> this is what the payment protocl is for
2040 2013-12-18 22:29:59 <berndj> i gather
2041 2013-12-18 22:30:01 <BlueMatt> qr code w/ link to payment protocol descriptions
2042 2013-12-18 22:30:07 <BlueMatt> then go from there
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