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   3 2013-12-20 00:00:39 <sipa> uiop: computers also become faster
   4 2013-12-20 00:00:48 <gmaxwell> uiop: If you don't have the resources to synchronize the chain... Just use a SPV client (or operate as a SPV client while your full node synchronizes).
   5 2013-12-20 00:01:04 <uiop> gmaxwell: *unless* there's a better way to get the chain..
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   7 2013-12-20 00:01:38 <gmaxwell> uiop: it's not a long time in any case, you're autonoymously validing a worldwide distributed currency and acting as a server and becoming a fully fledged part of it and enforcing the rules... its really impressive that this can be done in hours.
   8 2013-12-20 00:02:19 <paulo_> uiop: imo at the terabyte range, bitcoin would be popular enough that you'll know someone with a copy of the blockchain
   9 2013-12-20 00:02:20 <uiop> gmaxwell: yeah, that is true
  10 2013-12-20 00:02:24 <gmaxwell> uiop: trusting someone isn't better, it violates the point entirely. You might as well use paypal. Besides, if you want to trust people you can just use a SPV client and have much better security still than trusting some guy with a key, and have instant-on behavior.
  11 2013-12-20 00:02:34 <berndj> if we stick to the 1MB block size limit, 1TB happens on the order of... decades, right?
  12 2013-12-20 00:02:49 <paulo_> If it doesnt become that popular, then no need to copy the blockchain.
  13 2013-12-20 00:02:53 <gmaxwell> And really, this is _not_ the channel for bitcoin 101.
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  15 2013-12-20 00:03:11 * uiop puts SPV nodes on his to-read list
  16 2013-12-20 00:03:31 <sipa> uiop: SPV nodes == nodes which validate the chain, but not the transactions in them
  17 2013-12-20 00:03:37 <gmaxwell> I'm happy people are learning, but ... you know, no one should speak in this channel who hasn't read the bitcoin whitepaper unless they're reporting a criticial bug.
  18 2013-12-20 00:03:43 <sipa> and assume that the longest valid chain has in fact valid transactions
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  20 2013-12-20 00:04:29 <uiop> sipa: ah, ok
  21 2013-12-20 00:05:05 <gmaxwell> which is similar to just trusting some signed snapshot except no one person can forge it— it takes a majority of hashpower to lie in that model.
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  23 2013-12-20 00:05:36 <gmaxwell> it's still less secure than full bitcoin, but way better than some terrible trust-a-guy (whom you have on reason to trust and no competence to evaluate) model.
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  25 2013-12-20 00:06:57 * paulo_ notes the words "internet muckymuck"
  26 2013-12-20 00:07:01 <uiop> what percent of the total sizeof(blockchain) is the transaction data?
  27 2013-12-20 00:07:40 <gmaxwell> ≈99.99999%
  28 2013-12-20 00:08:08 <uiop> ah, gotcha.
  29 2013-12-20 00:08:09 <sipa> ;;calc [blocks]*81
  30 2013-12-20 00:08:10 <gribble> 22351626
  31 2013-12-20 00:08:31 <sipa> ^- how many bytes you need to download to just get the block headers (=blocks excluding transactions)
  32 2013-12-20 00:09:12 <sipa> so it's more like 99.8%
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  35 2013-12-20 00:10:36 <uiop> nice, that's much more reasonable
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  37 2013-12-20 00:10:50 <sipa> it's what multibit and bitcoin wallet for android do, for example
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  39 2013-12-20 00:11:49 <gmaxwell> sipa: ah, I was just assuming 80/1000000 but even there my figure was a little high. :P
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  44 2013-12-20 00:14:03 <wizkid057> wonder what the odds are of there being an address collision in my lifetime
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  46 2013-12-20 00:15:23 <sipa> 0
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  48 2013-12-20 00:15:38 <sipa> (assuming good RNGs to generate them)
  49 2013-12-20 00:15:44 <CodeShark> I know this isn't the Qt channel, but someone in here might have the answer. I'm getting a QWidget: repaint: Recursive repaint detected error, caused by a call to label->setText. I'm calling it from within a slot connected to a signal which I am emitting from a non-ui thread.
  50 2013-12-20 00:15:51 <kuzetsa> no, 100% / it has already happened: there have already been many many collisions as a result of some implementations which used poor key generation
  51 2013-12-20 00:15:52 <wizkid057> sipa: i assume thats rounded down from some very small number :P
  52 2013-12-20 00:15:57 <uiop> wizkid057: an amusing comment from git reads:
  53 2013-12-20 00:16:00 <uiop> wizkid057: /* Heh, we found SHA-1 collisions between different kind of objects */
  54 2013-12-20 00:16:22 <sipa> uiop: ???
  55 2013-12-20 00:16:34 <uiop> sipa: <wizkid057> wonder what the odds are of there being an address collision in my lifetime
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  57 2013-12-20 00:16:45 <sipa> where did you read that?
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  59 2013-12-20 00:17:32 <uiop> sipa: git/match-trees.c (it's in an "impossible" (control-flow) branch)
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  61 2013-12-20 00:19:01 <gmaxwell> wizkid057: if you have a sha-1 collision you can go collect 2 BTC.
  62 2013-12-20 00:19:16 <wizkid057> !
  63 2013-12-20 00:19:40 <gmaxwell> From the network. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=293382.0  2.47 BTC in fact.
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  65 2013-12-20 00:21:43 <nsh> any collision?
  66 2013-12-20 00:21:58 <sipa> gmaxwell: you'd need some deal with a miner with significant hash power too..
  67 2013-12-20 00:22:22 <berndj> nsh, any collision between two strings that themselves aren't equal
  68 2013-12-20 00:22:25 <gmaxwell> sipa: well chances are you could pull it off without and no one would rob you.
  69 2013-12-20 00:22:26 <nsh> damnit
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  71 2013-12-20 00:22:43 <gmaxwell> nsh: petertodd's mamma didn't raise no fool.
  72 2013-12-20 00:22:44 <nsh> nah, but that's some neat p2sh examples
  73 2013-12-20 00:22:48 * nsh smiles
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  75 2013-12-20 00:23:04 <sipa> gmaxwell: maybe he gas a stupid brother?
  76 2013-12-20 00:23:11 <sipa> *has
  77 2013-12-20 00:23:44 <nsh> or maybe she raised a fool to wisdom
  78 2013-12-20 00:23:54 <sipa> wise words
  79 2013-12-20 00:24:06 <gmaxwell> nsh: the data also has to be small enough to fit into a transaction too.
  80 2013-12-20 00:24:15 <nsh> right
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  82 2013-12-20 00:25:06 <nsh> "All of Satoshi's coins are a reward for breaking the ECDSA, since they are not protected by the RIPEMD160 hash function." hmmm
  83 2013-12-20 00:25:38 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|01:44:28 <gmaxwell> a 'pausenode' that put everything in a consistent state for copying wouldn't be hard. perhaps a techsupport footgun when people call it and then don't turn it off. :P
  84 2013-12-20 00:25:38 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Dןגמ,א I חודא דשט אישא?
  85 2013-12-20 00:25:45 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|uh
  86 2013-12-20 00:25:46 <gmaxwell> that has nothing to do with "satoshi", I wish people wouldn't fixate needlessly on that, all of the direct mined by bitcoind blocks that haven't been moved are pay to pubkey.
  87 2013-12-20 00:25:51 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Didn't I just say that?
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  89 2013-12-20 00:26:42 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Hmm, something just occurred to me. What happens if you point, say, bfgminer at a regtest node?
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  92 2013-12-20 00:27:00 <Luke-Jr> not much I'd think
  93 2013-12-20 00:27:11 <gmaxwell> if it didn't just break, it still wouldn't mine at diff <1.
  94 2013-12-20 00:27:19 <warren> "Satoshi's early public keys aren't protected by anything."  something changed?
  95 2013-12-20 00:27:30 <Luke-Jr> nsh: stealing someone's coins by breaking ECDSA is not the same as a reward specifically for breaking something
  96 2013-12-20 00:27:34 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|warren: pay-to-publey-hash
  97 2013-12-20 00:27:38 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|pubkey*
  98 2013-12-20 00:27:42 <gmaxwell> warren: I just explained it.
  99 2013-12-20 00:27:43 <Luke-Jr> warren: not really.
 100 2013-12-20 00:27:46 <nsh> Luke-Jr, right
 101 2013-12-20 00:27:59 <gmaxwell> the internal miner pays to pubkey. (even now)
 102 2013-12-20 00:28:07 <warren> oh
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 105 2013-12-20 00:30:09 <gmaxwell> uiop: fwiw that code is for dealing with a sha-1 collision should one happen, it's not saying the developers there found one. :(
 106 2013-12-20 00:30:26 <gmaxwell> it should probably be agumented with code to go collect 2.4 BTC. :P
 107 2013-12-20 00:30:48 <uiop> gmaxwell: i know this :)
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 109 2013-12-20 00:31:31 <gmaxwell> oh, well you caused me to waste a couple minutes looking.
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 111 2013-12-20 00:31:42 <Luke-Jr> is there a plugin for git to make vanity commits yet?
 112 2013-12-20 00:32:35 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Luke-Jr: I think I've seen one, yeah
 113 2013-12-20 00:32:50 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|a post-commit hook that suggests a `git commit --amend` or something
 114 2013-12-20 00:33:04 <Luke-Jr> hmm
 115 2013-12-20 00:33:20 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|https://github.com/vog/beautify_git_hash
 116 2013-12-20 00:33:30 <uiop> gmaxwell: that part adds to the comment's charm. if that code ever does/did execute, none would probably even notice, a tree would fall silently in the woods.
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 118 2013-12-20 00:34:44 <uiop> ...and the programmer says "Heh"
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 120 2013-12-20 00:34:55 <uiop> :)
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 123 2013-12-20 00:39:55 <nsh> i would argue that the code should record the collision somehow, if only for historical purposes
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 126 2013-12-20 00:40:41 <gmaxwell> should probably just abort and tell you that your cpu has failed.
 127 2013-12-20 00:41:08 * nsh has a flashback to the 100 billion names of god...
 128 2013-12-20 00:41:27 <nsh> *9 billion
 129 2013-12-20 00:42:09 <nsh> (it's such a quaintly low number for arthur c clark to have picked, in retrospect)
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 160 2013-12-20 01:21:22 <BlueMatt> nsh: if you did break ecdsa and stole all of satoshi's coins, they would now be worthless....not a very good reward
 161 2013-12-20 01:22:10 <CodeShark> if I broke ecdsa, I'd probably set my sights on bigger targets :p
 162 2013-12-20 01:22:46 <nsh> BlueMatt, sometimes making things worthless is its own reward :)
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 166 2013-12-20 01:24:49 <CodeShark> if anyone broke ecdsa and that information became public, all existing bitcoins (as well as alt coins and ripple xrp) would become worthless :p
 167 2013-12-20 01:25:01 <CodeShark> whether you used it to steal them or not
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 189 2013-12-20 01:45:19 <deanclkclk> anyone use java restTemplate to communicate with bitcoind json-rpc?
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 203 2013-12-20 02:00:14 <deanclkclk> anyone knows how to use java restTemplate with bitcoin json-rpc?
 204 2013-12-20 02:00:40 <deanclkclk> is it a case that I have to send the credentials for each json-rpc request?
 205 2013-12-20 02:00:41 <deanclkclk> anyone?
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 214 2013-12-20 02:13:55 <maaku> deanclkclk: that's more of a java restTemplate question
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 216 2013-12-20 02:14:28 <da2ce7> is there a change password and start using new address feature for bitcoin-qt?
 217 2013-12-20 02:14:56 <maaku> da2ce7: change password, yes, "start using new address" <-- what do you mean?
 218 2013-12-20 02:15:20 <maaku> bitcoin-qt doesn't reuse addresses
 219 2013-12-20 02:15:27 <da2ce7> well, instead of using the address in your key-pool, archive all of those ones, and generate new ones
 220 2013-12-20 02:15:38 <da2ce7> (and, of-course, you will need to make a new backup)
 221 2013-12-20 02:15:59 <maaku> da2ce7: no there's not. but why would you need to do that?
 222 2013-12-20 02:16:37 <da2ce7> maaku, in case you think that your old password isn't very good and want to replace it with a better one.
 223 2013-12-20 02:16:51 <da2ce7> (and want to invalidate the old wallet)
 224 2013-12-20 02:16:57 <maaku> no, i mean the flush your keypool thing
 225 2013-12-20 02:17:43 <da2ce7> so, if you change your password, it still takes 100 tx, by default, before it takes effect.
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 227 2013-12-20 02:17:58 <da2ce7> (since the old backups have the same key-pull)
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 229 2013-12-20 02:18:08 <maaku> no it takes effect immediately...
 230 2013-12-20 02:18:18 <maaku> the encryption is local
 231 2013-12-20 02:18:33 <maaku> it just decrypts with the old password, encrypts with the new
 232 2013-12-20 02:18:44 <maaku> if you've exposed your (encrypted) wallet, and you're worried about your password being guessed, then *all* your keys should be considered compromised
 233 2013-12-20 02:18:57 <maaku> sweep the entire wallet (not just keypool) and start over
 234 2013-12-20 02:19:18 <da2ce7> yes... this is the issue, yes, so when your change your password, it should archive all the old address, and generate new ones.
 235 2013-12-20 02:19:56 <da2ce7> (of course you don't get rid of old addresses, what happens if somebody sends coins to an old address!?)
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 237 2013-12-20 02:20:35 <da2ce7> so the same process, should be an option, when you first create a password, for when you change your password.
 238 2013-12-20 02:20:40 <maaku> da2ce7: I don't think that's really the threat model meant for changing passwords
 239 2013-12-20 02:20:45 <maaku> in that case you need a wallet sweeping tool
 240 2013-12-20 02:20:51 <maaku> which bitcoin-qt does not do
 241 2013-12-20 02:21:10 <da2ce7> maaku: sure, but at-least we can do the same thing as when we create a password for the first time.
 242 2013-12-20 02:21:26 <da2ce7> archive the old key-pool and generate new keys.
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 246 2013-12-20 02:27:08 <da2ce7> then display a big-fat-warning. "make sure you make a new backup of your wallet! backups with old password are no-longer current!!"
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 252 2013-12-20 02:28:44 <alex_fun> I got an idea, what if people trade private key to the address instead of coins directly? that would ensure currency stays anon
 253 2013-12-20 02:29:15 <alex_fun> at the moment few people use new ip new cookies mac wallet tech
 254 2013-12-20 02:29:26 <alex_fun> trading in keys could really simplify it
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 256 2013-12-20 02:30:08 <alex_fun> so coins stay with same key aka wallet
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 258 2013-12-20 02:30:32 <da2ce7> alex_fun, sure except now you have two people who control the coin instead of one.
 259 2013-12-20 02:31:31 <alex_fun> da2ce7 yes thats true, a bit of a hole in the idea
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 261 2013-12-20 02:32:24 <da2ce7> alex_fun: with trusted computing it is possible. :P
 262 2013-12-20 02:32:45 <da2ce7> *within degrees of certainty.
 263 2013-12-20 02:32:48 <alex_fun> what about some services that uses web wallet plus password, and u trade password, aka u get cash and seller then changes passwd
 264 2013-12-20 02:32:53 <alex_fun> da2ce7 how?
 265 2013-12-20 02:33:07 <alex_fun> I feel once coin is more anon its so much bettere
 266 2013-12-20 02:33:53 <da2ce7> alex_fun: well you generate a key, (except the trusted computer maintains control of it).  Then you setup a perfect-forward security connection between the two trusted computers; and transfer the key.
 267 2013-12-20 02:34:18 <da2ce7> alex_fun: since you can never access the key itself, it can be secure.
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 270 2013-12-20 02:36:43 <alex_fun> nice
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 272 2013-12-20 02:36:51 <alex_fun> is there servi ce like that
 273 2013-12-20 02:37:06 <da2ce7> alex_fun: not yet, but prob oneday.
 274 2013-12-20 02:37:31 <alex_fun> I think its great idea
 275 2013-12-20 02:37:36 <alex_fun> and link exchange into it
 276 2013-12-20 02:37:36 <da2ce7> it requres somebody to program a TC chip (or even make a new one) that supports bitcoin.
 277 2013-12-20 02:37:36 <alex_fun> :D
 278 2013-12-20 02:37:47 <alex_fun> what is TC?
 279 2013-12-20 02:37:58 <da2ce7> trusted computing.
 280 2013-12-20 02:38:19 <da2ce7> you know... the TPM in your computer has a TC part.
 281 2013-12-20 02:39:29 <alex_fun> ok
 282 2013-12-20 02:39:47 <alex_fun> what is some service that offers encryption in wallet can be escrow?
 283 2013-12-20 02:40:26 <alex_fun> I think futher anon allows people to open nice web services
 284 2013-12-20 02:40:38 <alex_fun> with otherwise they may not risk to provide
 285 2013-12-20 02:40:46 <alex_fun> like online poker in usa :D
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 329 2013-12-20 03:33:20 <monolithik> interesting paper on using BTC micropayments in the Tor network: http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~kubitron/courses/cs262a-F13/projects/reports/project22_report.pdf
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 332 2013-12-20 03:37:27 <BlueMatt> monolithik: huh?
 333 2013-12-20 03:37:37 <BlueMatt> they wrote a paper on a previously-implemented protocol
 334 2013-12-20 03:37:47 <BlueMatt> without mentioning the original implementation...
 335 2013-12-20 03:38:05 <BlueMatt> and then added it to tor
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 337 2013-12-20 03:38:46 <monolithik> yeah, the micropayment scheme is identitcal to the one on section 7 of the bitcoin wiki contracts page.
 338 2013-12-20 03:38:52 <BlueMatt> the entire section on micropayments is clear plagiarism of TD's work
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 340 2013-12-20 03:39:31 <monolithik> disclaimer, this isn't my work, just something I found
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 342 2013-12-20 03:40:41 <BlueMatt> its some paper these guys wrote for the graduate computer architecture course...
 343 2013-12-20 03:41:00 * BlueMatt ponders emailing their professor to make sure they get shit for blatant plagiarism...
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 345 2013-12-20 03:43:11 <BlueMatt> monolithik: ofc, I do find the tor usage interesting...the fact that it was such a small change to tor is cool
 346 2013-12-20 03:43:21 <BlueMatt> and their benchmarking to show it possible is awesome
 347 2013-12-20 03:43:47 <gmaxwell> a lot of people think they only have to credit other work if it was another academic paper... often they get away with it.
 348 2013-12-20 03:44:42 <gmaxwell> some people working at {large cellphone maker} ripped off one of my audio coding papers and even copied the graphs! I haven't seen anything that crazy in bitcoin space yet.
 349 2013-12-20 03:45:18 <BlueMatt> well, this is kinda close...
 350 2013-12-20 03:45:25 <BlueMatt> at least they did do something
 351 2013-12-20 03:46:55 <alex_fun> :)
 352 2013-12-20 03:46:58 <monolithik> yeah. They definitely need to cite the bitcoin wiki and the implementation in bitcoinJ. But the paper seems pretty rough right now, there were a few typos, and the references list is rather slim in general.
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 354 2013-12-20 03:47:25 <BlueMatt> nope, the link to it lists it as "Final Report"
 355 2013-12-20 03:47:30 <BlueMatt> its not for publishing, looks like
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 367 2013-12-20 04:05:42 <andytoshi> BlueMatt: looks like a class paper rather than an academic work
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 369 2013-12-20 04:05:53 <andytoshi> so it is not only plagiarism, but cheating <.<
 370 2013-12-20 04:05:55 <BlueMatt> yup, it is
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 376 2013-12-20 04:07:22 <andytoshi> i have half a mind to email one of the profs..
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 378 2013-12-20 04:07:35 * BlueMatt might have already done that...
 379 2013-12-20 04:07:46 <andytoshi> ok, thanks
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 383 2013-12-20 04:09:00 <andytoshi> i would feel somewhat bad, they could be kicked out of school for this
 384 2013-12-20 04:09:26 <andytoshi> which is unfortunate, i don't think i -should- feel bad
 385 2013-12-20 04:09:43 <andytoshi> but it's still hard to pull the trigger
 386 2013-12-20 04:10:11 <BlueMatt> yea, I probably wouldnt have, had it not been mike's protocol and my/mike's implementation that they failed to credit
 387 2013-12-20 04:12:06 <BlueMatt> and its just excessive, they could easily have done just the tor analysis and maybe extended it to a few other protocols and not had to cheat
 388 2013-12-20 04:13:43 <monolithik> yeah I feel a bit bad now since I found the paper (I was thinking about taking that class so I looked at the projects)
 389 2013-12-20 04:14:14 <monolithik> but I guess cheating is cheating.
 390 2013-12-20 04:14:55 <BlueMatt> cheating is one thing, basing half your final paper on rewriting other's work is quite another
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 393 2013-12-20 04:16:57 <gmaxwell> andytoshi: don't feel bad, I've reported people for plagerism and misconduct worse then this and just had a department head argue with me. It's unlikely any negative conduct will come of it.
 394 2013-12-20 04:17:15 <gmaxwell> er s/conduct/consequences/
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 396 2013-12-20 04:18:44 <gmaxwell> Schools are weird. They make plagerism a capital crime, but then seem to enforce dealing with it terribly— perhaps partially because they've exagerated the seriousness so substantially that they find they need to look the other way to avoid dumb outcomes.
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 398 2013-12-20 04:19:05 <BlueMatt> thats exactly why
 399 2013-12-20 04:19:24 <deego> heh, I can attest to gmaxwell's experience. A full *professor* copied our paper - that he reviewed - near-verbatim and published it . The best we could do was get it removed, with a very whitewashed plagiarism statement.
 400 2013-12-20 04:20:13 <phantomcircuit> deego, send them a DMCA take down notice
 401 2013-12-20 04:20:16 <phantomcircuit> lololol
 402 2013-12-20 04:20:19 <deego> :)
 403 2013-12-20 04:22:53 <alex_fun> :)))
 404 2013-12-20 04:23:04 <alex_fun> they need simple mixer
 405 2013-12-20 04:23:10 <alex_fun> to rewrite it a bit
 406 2013-12-20 04:23:18 <deego> of course, plagiarism != copyright violation, but phantomcircuit's point still stands :)
 407 2013-12-20 04:23:34 <alex_fun> I am php now I going to print myself a diploma
 408 2013-12-20 04:23:35 <deego> Plagiarism is probably not even illegal.
 409 2013-12-20 04:23:37 <alex_fun> :D
 410 2013-12-20 04:23:41 <gmaxwell> yea, though 'copied' seemed to suggest copyright violation.
 411 2013-12-20 04:23:52 <alex_fun> copies everything haha
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 413 2013-12-20 04:24:36 <gmaxwell> deego: no, it's not (except in so far as it's grevious enough to create copyright infringement). Though it's funny to talk to people who've spent too much time in close proximity to academia and they really actually believe its unlawful.
 414 2013-12-20 04:25:00 <deego> ^^^
 415 2013-12-20 04:25:12 <gmaxwell> (or, lol, when their unlawfulness definition of plagerism even extends to minutia about citation standard)
 416 2013-12-20 04:25:54 <deego> Yeah, that anal-ly broad interpretation of copyright and plagiarism truly sucks.  :)
 417 2013-12-20 04:26:14 <gmaxwell> Sadly, too many people fix their definition of responsible, ethical conduct to lawfulness.  Plagerism is lawful, but it lame and just not good for the intellectual advancement of man. But lots of terrible things are perfectly lawful.
 418 2013-12-20 04:27:10 <deego> I wish people recognized that lawful!=ethical. Then, we can stop making stupid laws. And, telemarketers can stop telling us "but, it's legal!"
 419 2013-12-20 04:28:02 <nsh> give me but an inequality large enough, and i shall derive the world
 420 2013-12-20 04:28:39 <nsh> (i wonder if anyone asked archimedes what he was intending to use as a fulcrum...)
 421 2013-12-20 04:28:55 <deego> nsh: Ackerman(1000)>1?
 422 2013-12-20 04:29:03 <nsh> :)
 423 2013-12-20 04:30:23 <deego> nsh: Interstellar gas :)
 424 2013-12-20 04:30:38 <nsh> dunno, it's a bit squidgy...
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 509 2013-12-20 06:00:41 <gmaxwell> sipa: your graphs are off the charts again, estimate is >10PH/s now.
 510 2013-12-20 06:01:10 <robonerd> ?
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 512 2013-12-20 06:02:11 <andytoshi> haha, wow
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 517 2013-12-20 06:06:32 <gmaxwell> robonerd: http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin-2k.png   he manually sets the ranges, which makes them stable across reloads, but they go off the charts from time to time.
 518 2013-12-20 06:06:36 <gmaxwell> pretty often recently.
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 522 2013-12-20 06:09:25 <Emcy> gmaxwell thats gonna be the biggest diff jump yet
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 524 2013-12-20 06:09:28 <robonerd> commit sacrifices?
 525 2013-12-20 06:09:36 <robonerd> wtf are you talking about weirdo
 526 2013-12-20 06:09:51 <monolithik> for creating SINs(https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Identity_protocol_v1)
 527 2013-12-20 06:10:01 <robonerd> wtf
 528 2013-12-20 06:10:03 <BlueMatt> monolithik: there's an implementation on that link
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 552 2013-12-20 06:36:08 <Godzilla123> I mean should I go to the trouble of implementing coin control in a wallet that always contains only one address (private key)
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 644 2013-12-20 08:44:33 <petertodd> gavinandresen: congrats on getting your OTP multisig wallet idea implemented: http://www.coindesk.com/bitgo-safe-aims-secure-bitcoin-wallets-multi-signature-transactions/
 645 2013-12-20 08:45:22 <petertodd> gavinandresen: be nice if they weren't re-using addresses, but otherwise I gave them a try and the service works well
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 746 2013-12-20 10:56:04 <wumpus> abishek: with this you can run bitcoind without RPC server https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/3449
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 748 2013-12-20 10:57:09 <abishek> wumpus, i will wait for that to be merged, thnx
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 752 2013-12-20 11:03:09 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|abishek: you could merge it yourself :-p
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 754 2013-12-20 11:03:31 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: how do you shut it down? Sift erm?
 755 2013-12-20 11:03:38 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|SIGTERM*
 756 2013-12-20 11:04:57 <abishek> michagogo, i would like to stay with the nobuggy releases. I am sure there is a review process bitcoin does before merging, My app is right now moving into production, wouldn;t want to disturb it now
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 764 2013-12-20 11:07:20 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|abishek: you know, you can just review the code yourself
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 781 2013-12-20 11:26:49 <wumpus> michagogo|cloud: SIGINT will do
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 783 2013-12-20 11:27:07 <wumpus> abishek: waiting doesn't help in this case, if no one tests it, it will never be merged
 784 2013-12-20 11:27:28 <abishek> ok, let me look at it then
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 786 2013-12-20 11:28:55 <wumpus> abishek: and I it looks trivial to backport it to the 0.8 codebase
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 790 2013-12-20 11:32:19 <abishek> how do i get the private and public key of the wallet?
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 793 2013-12-20 11:35:05 <wumpus> a wallet contains many private keys and associated public keys
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 800 2013-12-20 11:39:48 <wumpus> usually if you're trying to get at specific keys you're doing something very dangerous
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 803 2013-12-20 11:45:02 <abishek> wumpus, I am trying to make a offline backup of the airgap system, so am trying to dump all the addresses' private key and clear the private keys.
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 819 2013-12-20 12:02:09 <wumpus> abishek: you can dump all the private keys from a wallet.dat using a script such as jackjack's pywallet
 820 2013-12-20 12:02:26 <sipa> or using git head's dumpwallet rpc
 821 2013-12-20 12:03:18 <wumpus> abishek: but be careful, doing anything such as sending or creating a new receiving address adds a new key, so you do need to keep the backup up to date once in a while if you actively use it
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 823 2013-12-20 12:04:56 <abishek> wumpus, it is for the airgap system, once I dump the keys, I remove the wallet, so I think I will be good in that case
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 837 2013-12-20 12:08:45 <xeroc> are there any plans adding deterministic wallets to bitcoin-qt?
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 839 2013-12-20 12:08:55 <xeroc> thats bit32 if i recall correctly
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 898 2013-12-20 13:19:01 <wumpus> xeroc: plans, sure, but I don't think it will be in any time soon; I suggest using another wallet if you want deterministic wallet support
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 900 2013-12-20 13:22:52 <Luke-Jr> Armory has excellent support I think
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 936 2013-12-20 14:20:03 <kinlo> mrkent: there are many ways, basicly, peers advertise other peers and bitcoin keeps a list of known peers in a data file for usage between restarts
 937 2013-12-20 14:20:25 <kinlo> if it doesn't have any list, it uses dns seeds or a built in list if dns is notw orking
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 940 2013-12-20 14:23:59 <mrkent> kinlo, I see. Is this prone to attack using fake peers?
 941 2013-12-20 14:24:24 <kinlo> how would you attack this?
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 943 2013-12-20 14:24:43 <mrkent> like say NSA has many peers and I am only connected to NSA peers
 944 2013-12-20 14:24:51 <kinlo> the only valid attack would be to starve the client, make sure it cannot connect to a node that is connected to the real peers
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 946 2013-12-20 14:24:52 <mrkent> they broadcast to me fake inof
 947 2013-12-20 14:25:00 <kinlo> you'd soon see that
 948 2013-12-20 14:25:11 <kinlo> clients are full validating, you'd lag behind on blocks
 949 2013-12-20 14:25:47 <mrkent> kinlo, meaning they arn't now?
 950 2013-12-20 14:25:56 <kinlo> ?
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 952 2013-12-20 14:26:13 <mrkent> what did u mean by you'd soon see that
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 954 2013-12-20 14:26:56 <kinlo> mrkent: your client wouldn't be synced with the main network
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 956 2013-12-20 14:27:13 <kinlo> so you wouldn't see your coins
 957 2013-12-20 14:29:01 <mrkent> i see
 958 2013-12-20 14:29:39 <mrkent> but this could in theory be used for a double spend attack?
 959 2013-12-20 14:30:46 <gmaxwell> mrkent: This is a #bitcoin question.
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 989 2013-12-20 15:17:15 <Joric> hey
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 995 2013-12-20 15:22:38 <Joric> MagicalTux, can you please remove 5KJvsngHeMpm884wtkJNzQGaCErckhHJBGFsvd3VyK5qMZXj3hS from my account? it spams a lot
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 998 2013-12-20 15:27:38 <Joric> i have no idea who started to exploit that 'correct horse battery staple' thing but it consumes a lot of space ("2127 pages, 106320 results" in my fundings tab)
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1000 2013-12-20 15:29:11 <Joric> i hereby give my permission and shit
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1002 2013-12-20 15:32:01 <wumpus> this is not mtgox support :/
1003 2013-12-20 15:32:29 <Joric> he seems busy all the time
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1012 2013-12-20 15:37:14 <Joric> mtgox swiping bot seems rather effective i got most of funds that were sent to that address (3-4 btc i guess)
1013 2013-12-20 15:37:15 <pierre`> Joric: maybe he is
1014 2013-12-20 15:38:20 <Joric> well, so please shut it down until it consumes a whole blockchain =)
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1070 2013-12-20 16:23:41 <Joric> why do you guys promote coinbase? isn't it the exact opposite of the very essence of bitcoin
1071 2013-12-20 16:24:13 <sipa> who promotes coinbase?
1072 2013-12-20 16:24:46 <Joric> sipa, it's right there http://bitcoin.org/en/choose-your-wallet
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1075 2013-12-20 16:26:08 <sipa> ah
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1078 2013-12-20 16:26:36 <sipa> well, i've stopped following discussions about the site
1079 2013-12-20 16:26:49 <sipa> but i think the essence of bitcoin is being able to choose whom to trust - potentially nobody
1080 2013-12-20 16:27:07 <Joric> it's huge, and just got another 25m investment
1081 2013-12-20 16:27:14 <sipa> there's a warning
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1146 2013-12-20 17:56:17 <trainhappy> when building bitcoin from the master, I get this error in qt5 "invalid numeric argument: /Wextra"
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1148 2013-12-20 18:06:27 <helo> i didn't know qt5 was supported
1149 2013-12-20 18:06:46 <sipa> it's not
1150 2013-12-20 18:06:51 <sipa> (but very soon will be)
1151 2013-12-20 18:09:00 <phantomcircuit> sipa, need to rescale the network hashrate graphs again
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1153 2013-12-20 18:11:30 <sipa> grrr
1154 2013-12-20 18:11:39 <sipa> peepz, can you stop mining for a while?
1155 2013-12-20 18:12:04 <warren> yes sir
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1157 2013-12-20 18:15:12 <sipa> if every hash was worth a satoshi, we'd mine all coins five times per second
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1195 2013-12-20 18:52:39 <Alina-malina> There are ~1.^48 possible bitcoin addresses right?
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1197 2013-12-20 18:53:37 <andytoshi> Alina-malina: yes, 2^160
1198 2013-12-20 18:53:51 <Alina-malina> ok, what will happen if they all finished?
1199 2013-12-20 18:54:19 <andytoshi> one sec, i have a pdf about the size of these numbers :)
1200 2013-12-20 18:54:41 <andytoshi> http://download.wpsoftware.net/bitcoin/bitcoin-birthday.pdf  section 3
1201 2013-12-20 18:55:50 <Alina-malina> ok thank you so what will happen when 10^25 collision happens?
1202 2013-12-20 18:55:56 <Alina-malina> will the system be paralized?
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1206 2013-12-20 18:57:33 <andytoshi> (a) no, it won't matter, as discussed in that section; (b) no, it will take an expected 3200 years to find this collision even if the entire mining network switches to address-colliding (the paper says 127000 but the mining community is much stronger now), (c) this is a #bitcoin question, not on topic here
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1208 2013-12-20 18:58:26 <Alina-malina> oh thank you so much, i read that part, one more question please
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1210 2013-12-20 18:58:52 <Alina-malina> I generate an address that is connected to my wallet, can i extract that wallet and give to someone else? just the address only?
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1212 2013-12-20 18:59:29 <maaku> Alina-malina: thats' not safe to do
1213 2013-12-20 18:59:43 <Alina-malina> for givver or taker?
1214 2013-12-20 18:59:48 <maaku> for the taker
1215 2013-12-20 18:59:53 <maaku> what stops you from keeping it?
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1217 2013-12-20 19:00:01 <andytoshi> it's probably a bad idea to share a wallet with somebody, your two copies will come out of sync and there will be confusion regarding who has what keys
1218 2013-12-20 19:00:02 <Alina-malina> oh it is not possible?
1219 2013-12-20 19:00:22 <maaku> dumpprivkey will pull out the key
1220 2013-12-20 19:00:33 <maaku> but the use case you describe sounds like a very bad idea
1221 2013-12-20 19:00:36 <andytoshi> it is possible, you copy wallet.dat and give it to them, but it will cause confusion and mistakes mean lost money, so you don't want confusion
1222 2013-12-20 19:01:10 <Alina-malina> even if they make some changes?
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1225 2013-12-20 19:01:29 <Alina-malina> i was thinking to generate addresses with "golden" words and sell them
1226 2013-12-20 19:01:36 <Alina-malina> but as i can see it is not possible to share it safely:(
1227 2013-12-20 19:01:40 <Alina-malina> or giveaway
1228 2013-12-20 19:02:02 <andytoshi> ah, there is a mechanism for selling vanity-generation power
1229 2013-12-20 19:02:14 <andytoshi> where you can find a golden address but you won't know the privkey, only the buyer will
1230 2013-12-20 19:02:25 <Alina-malina> but how i can sell it?
1231 2013-12-20 19:02:56 <Alina-malina> i still be able to finout the privkey if i want right?
1232 2013-12-20 19:03:08 <andytoshi> nope ... basically, they generate a random keypair, give you the public half, and you iterate on that until you get some nice words
1233 2013-12-20 19:03:24 <andytoshi> then you tell them how many times you iterated, and they will increment their privkey by that much
1234 2013-12-20 19:03:26 <Alina-malina> who they?
1235 2013-12-20 19:03:39 <maaku> Alina-malina: https://vanitypool.appspot.com/
1236 2013-12-20 19:03:40 <andytoshi> the buyer
1237 2013-12-20 19:03:50 <Alina-malina> oh i get that
1238 2013-12-20 19:03:53 <Alina-malina> :)
1239 2013-12-20 19:04:13 <Alina-malina> but i want to sell my generated words:) and not their priv keys
1240 2013-12-20 19:04:45 <andytoshi> well, you never see a privkey if you're doing it this way
1241 2013-12-20 19:05:07 <maaku> Alina-malina: see the link I posted. it's a working implementation
1242 2013-12-20 19:05:14 <Alina-malina> yes i see that
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1244 2013-12-20 19:06:01 <Alina-malina> but it is not what i exactly think
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1246 2013-12-20 19:06:58 <Alina-malina> i want something like 1SUPERMAN8ytM35wSvVkx7r1H9zXb96nBEZZ
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1248 2013-12-20 19:07:22 <Alina-malina> or 1BaTmAn8ytM35wSvVkx7r1H9zXb96nBEZZ
1249 2013-12-20 19:07:31 <Alina-malina> and then sell those
1250 2013-12-20 19:07:52 <Alina-malina> but as i understand it is not safe
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1263 2013-12-20 19:19:09 <maaku> Alina-malina: there is no way to make that safe
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1267 2013-12-20 19:19:48 <maaku> the buyer *has* to provide a pubkey
1268 2013-12-20 19:19:55 <Joric> Alina-malina, it's totally safe, it's a split key cryptography
1269 2013-12-20 19:19:58 <maaku> which the generated key is then based on
1270 2013-12-20 19:20:09 <maaku> Joric: he's not talking about vanitypool
1271 2013-12-20 19:20:41 <Joric> well it's not possible then
1272 2013-12-20 19:20:56 <Joric> nobody wants a dirty private key
1273 2013-12-20 19:21:06 <Alina-malina> just a moment
1274 2013-12-20 19:21:11 <Alina-malina> what about cassacious?
1275 2013-12-20 19:21:15 <Alina-malina> people trusted that guy right?
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1279 2013-12-20 19:21:23 <Alina-malina> he had all those priv keys
1280 2013-12-20 19:21:53 <Alina-malina> anyway thanks for sharing your thoughts
1281 2013-12-20 19:21:57 <Alina-malina> and explaination
1282 2013-12-20 19:23:12 <andytoshi> Alina-malina: people trusted casascius (idk how to spell it either :}) because he was a real person with a real name and address ... and it was definitely a security risk for those people
1283 2013-12-20 19:23:54 <Alina-malina> andytoshi, i understand
1284 2013-12-20 19:23:58 <andytoshi> because he was selling physical goods there was a reasonable chance that you could track him down or send police after him
1285 2013-12-20 19:24:11 <Alina-malina> omg
1286 2013-12-20 19:24:23 <Alina-malina> eviL sivlE
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1288 2013-12-20 19:24:59 <Alina-malina> thanks for help, police is very bad:(
1289 2013-12-20 19:25:04 <Alina-malina> I did not think about that
1290 2013-12-20 19:25:05 <Joric> someone finally did
1291 2013-12-20 19:25:16 <Alina-malina> :(
1292 2013-12-20 19:25:30 <Joric> SEC hunted him down he stopped manufacturing
1293 2013-12-20 19:25:49 <Alina-malina> yes i have heared
1294 2013-12-20 19:26:30 <jgarzik_> oh good grief
1295 2013-12-20 19:26:47 <jgarzik_> Joric, FinCEN sent him a letter, and he voluntarily stopped
1296 2013-12-20 19:27:05 <jgarzik_> not the SEC, and not "hunted down" as he had already registered with FinCEN
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1298 2013-12-20 19:28:25 <sipa> as a non-US person, i have no idea what the distinction is
1299 2013-12-20 19:29:13 <Joric> not quite voluntarily he spent 5k on a lawyer bills in two weeks
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1302 2013-12-20 19:30:26 <Alina-malina> it is ok to spend 5K for lawyere when you have 80 mil usd equivalent btc
1303 2013-12-20 19:30:27 <Alina-malina> loool
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1311 2013-12-20 19:47:01 <maaku> sipa: as a US person.. i'm not really sure either :)
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1339 2013-12-20 20:22:41 <arioBarzan> whose idea was to move from wxwidget to qt ? Was qt assumed any better than GTK?
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1345 2013-12-20 20:23:58 <jgarzik_> arioBarzan, wx was poorly supported comparatively to qt and gtk.  I personally like Gtk better, but it is a matter of what people are willing to work on.
1346 2013-12-20 20:24:11 * jgarzik_ <- original GNOME/Gtk/Glib hacker
1347 2013-12-20 20:24:26 <andytoshi> jgarzik_: i'm on your side :)
1348 2013-12-20 20:24:36 <andytoshi> but it is true that qt is more popular and has more development power behind it
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1406 2013-12-20 21:57:37 <EasyAt> Hm, so bitcoind cannot bind to 8333.  When I look at it in netstat it's being used by System.  I'm not sure how to fiure out which service is actually blocking it though
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1408 2013-12-20 21:57:53 <EasyAt> Has anyone encountered somethign similar?
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1413 2013-12-20 22:00:16 <sipa> did you just quit bitcoin?
1414 2013-12-20 22:00:19 <sipa> before restarting it?
1415 2013-12-20 22:00:20 <lianj> EasyAt: netstat as root shows you the service
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1418 2013-12-20 22:01:31 <EasyAt> http://pastebin.com/Ph5cfL3m
1419 2013-12-20 22:01:35 <EasyAt> Strange
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1421 2013-12-20 22:02:53 <lianj> sudo netstat -anltpu |grep 8333
1422 2013-12-20 22:04:04 <EasyAt> I'm running a windows box
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1425 2013-12-20 22:05:11 <sipa> windows has netstat :o
1426 2013-12-20 22:05:11 <lianj> oh, i give up then :)
1427 2013-12-20 22:05:14 <sipa> i never knew
1428 2013-12-20 22:05:36 <EasyAt> sipa: It does indeed :)
1429 2013-12-20 22:05:49 <lianj> 'netstat' ;)
1430 2013-12-20 22:06:14 <sipa> windows hasn't been my main OS since (a short time of) WinME :p
1431 2013-12-20 22:07:47 <EasyAt> OH man, VMWare Management Interface uses 8333
1432 2013-12-20 22:07:52 <EasyAt> There we go
1433 2013-12-20 22:08:39 <lianj> haha
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1443 2013-12-20 22:17:08 <sturles> EasyAt: Yes, I have.  Don't remember what it was, but I do remember the feeling of stupidity when I found out..
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1445 2013-12-20 22:22:13 <sturles> EasyAt: Found out.  Not the same problem.  Mine couldn't bind to 8332 because the computer was in single use mode and lo (127.0.0.1) wasn't up.
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1463 2013-12-20 22:38:20 <EasyAt> Ah, that'll happen
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1488 2013-12-20 23:21:21 <Krellan_> Sad that vmware claims port 8333 - guess it will be a long time before vmware accepts bitcoin then :)
1489 2013-12-20 23:22:19 <robonerd> http://www.iana.org/assignments/service-names-port-numbers/service-names-port-numbers.xhtml
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1492 2013-12-20 23:25:13 <Krellan_> interesting, nobody's claimed it, guess it's a free for all
1493 2013-12-20 23:25:56 <Krellan_> can vmware VMI be moved to different port?
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1498 2013-12-20 23:31:54 <maaku> Krellan_: not a question for this channel
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1501 2013-12-20 23:35:29 <edcba> easier to move bitcoin than vmware...
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1507 2013-12-20 23:38:33 <Krellan_> only problem when moving bitcoin is the world expects to connect to you on port 8333, and bitcoind gives less preference to making connections to nonstandard ports (I think)
1508 2013-12-20 23:39:16 <Krellan_> there was a really good writeup on the algorithm bitcoind uses when choosing a new outbound target for an available connection slot - where was it?
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1511 2013-12-20 23:40:04 <upb> in the bitcoin code i guess
1512 2013-12-20 23:40:41 <maaku> Krellan_: bitcoin has no problem connecting to non-stanard ports
1513 2013-12-20 23:41:16 <maaku> the port is included in the message which shares peer ips
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1516 2013-12-20 23:43:05 <Krellan_> correct - however I still think that nonstandard ports are demoted somehow when making the selection
1517 2013-12-20 23:43:26 <Krellan_> so you'll get less inbound connections when you run on a nonstandard port (but other than that, no trouble at all, as you said).
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1520 2013-12-20 23:44:55 <gmaxwell> you'll likely get none at all, but its not the end of the world.
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1527 2013-12-20 23:48:06 <Krellan_> gmaxwell: was it you who had that writeup of how bitcoind chooses from its list of known addresses and picks one for making a new outbound conn.?
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1540 2013-12-20 23:54:57 <Krellan_> rats, searched, didn't find it.  Was rather clever too: i remember it preferred IP's far separated in address space, to make sure the network is spread out.
1541 2013-12-20 23:55:31 <gmaxwell> Krellan_: it just won't make multiple outbound connections to the same /16.
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1543 2013-12-20 23:55:43 <gmaxwell> (and similar for v6)
1544 2013-12-20 23:55:47 <sipa> Krellan_: read https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/addrman.h#L97
1545 2013-12-20 23:56:15 <gmaxwell> the addresses we keep use a even more clever process though.
1546 2013-12-20 23:56:53 <coingenuity> hm
1547 2013-12-20 23:56:56 <coingenuity> question for you all
1548 2013-12-20 23:57:16 <coingenuity> it appears there's no way to offload the chain directory to anything except datadir in bitcoind
1549 2013-12-20 23:57:17 <Krellan_> sipa: Nice, thanks
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1551 2013-12-20 23:57:23 <coingenuity> or am i missing something?
1552 2013-12-20 23:57:40 <sipa> coingenuity: you can symlink it elsewhere, but otherwise, no
1553 2013-12-20 23:57:48 <coingenuity> :/
1554 2013-12-20 23:57:48 <deanclkclk> folks..anyone use java with bitcoind json-rpc?
1555 2013-12-20 23:57:49 <sipa> in git head it may be changed
1556 2013-12-20 23:57:53 <coingenuity> boo
1557 2013-12-20 23:57:59 <sipa> unsure whether that was merged yet
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1559 2013-12-20 23:58:11 <deanclkclk> I am trying to setup my java project but, not sure how I authenticate
1560 2013-12-20 23:58:27 <deanclkclk> should the authentication value be apart of the url params?
1561 2013-12-20 23:58:32 <coingenuity> sipa: was hoping there's a convenient way to have chain live on a ramdisk but bitcoind pull .conf and wallet from the normal datadir
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1563 2013-12-20 23:58:55 <deanclkclk> example https://127.0.0.1:port/username=blah&password=blah
1564 2013-12-20 23:59:01 <deanclkclk> or I set the password in the request body
1565 2013-12-20 23:59:04 <deanclkclk> can someone help me?
1566 2013-12-20 23:59:08 <coingenuity> sipa: seems like my best bet is to symlink the chain dir to ramdisk, and just copy to/from a normal backup on boot etc
1567 2013-12-20 23:59:15 <coingenuity> thats kind of sloppy though :/
1568 2013-12-20 23:59:19 <sipa> coingenuity: use -dbcache=2000
1569 2013-12-20 23:59:23 <sipa> instead of a ram disk
1570 2013-12-20 23:59:55 <coingenuity> i was thinking about that, but bdb might be latent
1571 2013-12-20 23:59:59 <coingenuity> ill give it a shot