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130 2013-12-23 02:15:27 <alex_fun> hey folks where I can see code responsible for number of confirms? is it in main.cpp?
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147 2013-12-23 02:51:14 <andytoshi> alex_fun: you can usually trace backward from the functions in rpc*.cpp
148 2013-12-23 02:52:25 <alex_fun> andytoshi ty
149 2013-12-23 02:52:37 <alex_fun> u won sandwich :D
150 2013-12-23 02:53:02 <alex_fun> btw what are all those FUD about scrypt asics? :)
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155 2013-12-23 02:55:40 <nsh> alex_fun, your question contains answer!
156 2013-12-23 02:55:49 <nsh> much efficient
157 2013-12-23 02:55:50 <nsh> wow
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159 2013-12-23 02:57:38 <alex_fun> nsh: lol I am sleepy much
160 2013-12-23 02:57:48 <alex_fun> going to eat and look at main.cpp again
161 2013-12-23 02:57:58 <alex_fun> well not sleepy lets say many ideas
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163 2013-12-23 02:58:13 <alex_fun> doge diff still 300
164 2013-12-23 02:58:15 <nsh> in my experience, many ideas is quite often coextensive with sleepy :)
165 2013-12-23 02:58:19 <alex_fun> its like reddit kid :)
166 2013-12-23 02:58:36 <copumpkin> man, I just noticed bitcoin-qt is kinda fuzzy on this retina display
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168 2013-12-23 02:58:50 <copumpkin> this is unacceptable!
169 2013-12-23 02:58:54 <alex_fun> lol
170 2013-12-23 02:59:05 <copumpkin> Luke-Jr: pfft, what happened to my mac builds that I paid good coin for?! :P
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172 2013-12-23 02:59:57 <alex_fun> thats important function
173 2013-12-23 02:59:58 <alex_fun> // notify wallets about a new best chainvoid static SetBestChain(const CBlockLocator& loc){Â Â Â Â BOOST_FOREACH(CWallet* pwallet, setpwalletRegistered)Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â pwallet->SetBestChain(loc);
174 2013-12-23 03:00:05 <alex_fun> is there some graph of forks?
175 2013-12-23 03:00:11 <alex_fun> as they happen in real time?
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179 2013-12-23 03:06:34 <Luke-Jr> â¦
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181 2013-12-23 03:07:12 <alex_fun> Luke did u buy some dogecoin? :D
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185 2013-12-23 03:08:26 <warren> alex_fun: doge and scrypt are off-topic here
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188 2013-12-23 03:09:18 <alex_fun> :)
189 2013-12-23 03:09:23 * Luke-Jr should start counting how many times alex_fun ignores the topic
190 2013-12-23 03:09:33 <alex_fun> warren no wonder LTC is slow
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195 2013-12-23 03:11:46 <alex_fun> guys and girls whatever really , u feel rigid its u choise
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200 2013-12-23 03:14:39 <justanotheruser> What is the limit on M of N transactions?
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204 2013-12-23 03:16:34 <Luke-Jr> justanotheruser: 20
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206 2013-12-23 03:17:02 <justanotheruser> Luke-Jr: Is there any way around this using control flow?
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213 2013-12-23 03:26:08 <alex_fun> who here wants to organise online classes for newbie crypto coders? can be good $$ and fun
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218 2013-12-23 03:29:25 <Luke-Jr> alex_fun: I wish I had time.
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221 2013-12-23 03:31:58 <alex_fun> Luke yes seems many people busy coding improvements. I saw one site that uses nice gamification approach to teach newbies varied languages :) I decided to start learning more myself and reading code now :)
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380 2013-12-23 08:16:33 <ThomasV> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1tin7f/warning_a_fake_electrum_website_with_malware_is/
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436 2013-12-23 09:44:20 <ThomasV> electrum problem is solvd: I called the registrar, and the malware clone was taken down
437 2013-12-23 09:46:27 <gmaxwell> ThomasV: fantastic.
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439 2013-12-23 09:47:11 <ThomasV> gmaxwell: no now I have a reddit account :P
440 2013-12-23 09:48:30 <gmaxwell> oh dear. I'm sorry.
441 2013-12-23 09:48:37 <ThomasV> hehe
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768 2013-12-23 13:50:02 <alphaw0lf> anyone know if there is any good c# / php code out there that combines api results (exchange rates/market data) from multiple exchanges into a single output?
769 2013-12-23 13:50:25 <edcba> for free of course ? :)
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771 2013-12-23 13:50:41 <alphaw0lf> preferrably :/
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773 2013-12-23 13:51:28 <edcba> i doubt people having coded that would be those wanting to give that for free :)
774 2013-12-23 13:51:36 <alphaw0lf> i would consider developing together with someone as well
775 2013-12-23 13:51:47 <alphaw0lf> im making the app for myself but it would have market value
776 2013-12-23 13:51:50 <alphaw0lf> and be useful to alot
777 2013-12-23 13:52:50 <edcba> anyway i don't really think you can do arbitrage between exchanges
778 2013-12-23 13:53:42 <alphaw0lf> the code just needs to return the rates from each exchange for each coin...
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780 2013-12-23 13:53:59 <alphaw0lf> and then the app (my end of code) would compare the rates
781 2013-12-23 13:54:20 <alphaw0lf> display the highest value for a particular coin if sold or lowest price if bought
782 2013-12-23 13:54:45 <alphaw0lf> tellin u which exchange one could sell it
783 2013-12-23 13:54:55 <alphaw0lf> if theres an app that does this plz save me some time
784 2013-12-23 13:54:58 <alphaw0lf> and tell me what it is haha
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787 2013-12-23 13:55:44 <alphaw0lf> i want to be able to put the different balances of each coin into it... or wallet address if a block explorer is avail (or if one can get that info another way)...
788 2013-12-23 13:56:08 <alphaw0lf> like a wallet manager sorta
789 2013-12-23 13:56:09 <edcba> i think there is some job board on the forum :)
790 2013-12-23 13:56:24 <edcba> i guess a lot of ppl accept bitcoins there too
791 2013-12-23 13:56:47 <edcba> drop your spec and your price and you may have some answers :)
792 2013-12-23 13:57:15 <alphaw0lf> ah im just lazy and trying to save some time... no point in reinventing the wheel
793 2013-12-23 13:57:28 <alphaw0lf> im sure ppl have written this code
794 2013-12-23 13:57:35 <alphaw0lf> :P
795 2013-12-23 13:58:42 <edcba> want to save time : use money :)
796 2013-12-23 14:00:50 <alphaw0lf> ah guess ill just write the code
797 2013-12-23 14:00:57 <alphaw0lf> too broke for that
798 2013-12-23 14:01:16 <upb> wow, what a business idea!
799 2013-12-23 14:01:16 <alphaw0lf> can barely afford to buy my dog a bone for christmas
800 2013-12-23 14:01:28 <alphaw0lf> upb thx
801 2013-12-23 14:01:34 <upb> get some code for free, copy/paste it into an app and then sell the app
802 2013-12-23 14:01:36 <upb> :)
803 2013-12-23 14:01:38 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|alphaw0lf: probably just a series of requests to the various exchanges' APIs
804 2013-12-23 14:02:11 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|You may even be able to get multiple currencies per request
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806 2013-12-23 14:03:17 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Could anyone take a quick look at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=381162.msg4104227#msg4104227 and make sure I'm not misleading a user affected by the BDB 5.1 problem?
807 2013-12-23 14:03:23 <alphaw0lf> upb that wasnt my intention... not only that but i wasnt planning on marketting unless it turns out good... and i would be happy to team up with someone on that
808 2013-12-23 14:03:35 <alphaw0lf> for now its just a helper tool for myself ;)
809 2013-12-23 14:03:47 <alphaw0lf> to better manage my coin collecting
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818 2013-12-23 14:20:20 <edcba> alphaw0lf: if you can code i wonder why you are broke...
819 2013-12-23 14:20:51 <edcba> any stupid guy knowing how to put html & php together is paid a fortune to do it
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821 2013-12-23 14:25:24 <Belxjander> edcba: just because someone can program doesn't mean they program well... there is also a skill level involved for each language dealt with
822 2013-12-23 14:25:49 * Belxjander can program in the majority of languages... but not well... with a few select languages where I code extremely well
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825 2013-12-23 14:29:20 <sipa> and being able to code is quite different from convincing someone with money that you can do something useful for them :)
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827 2013-12-23 14:30:47 <edcba> bar is low
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848 2013-12-23 14:59:20 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Could anyone take a quick look at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=381162.msg4104227#msg4104227 and make sure I'm not misleading a user affected by the BDB 5.1 problem?
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871 2013-12-23 15:23:47 <sipa> michagogo|cloud: looks correct
872 2013-12-23 15:24:11 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|sipa: Great, thanks
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874 2013-12-23 15:24:29 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(also, am I remembering correctly with https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=381162.msg4105239#msg4105239 ?)
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877 2013-12-23 15:30:01 <jgarzik_> mornin'
878 2013-12-23 15:30:55 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|jgarzik_: o/
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880 2013-12-23 15:31:43 <Sealy> does anybody have a link to more information about how the mtgox socket works. specifically I want to know what the 1::, 2::, 4:: messages refer to
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888 2013-12-23 15:35:35 <dooglus> all the old transactions in my wallet have the same date. can I fix somehow? http://i.imgur.com/1assz3y.png
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895 2013-12-23 15:39:30 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|dooglus: Does it matter?
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897 2013-12-23 15:41:02 <flatfly> dooglus: do you have imported addresses in that wallet?
898 2013-12-23 15:41:09 <flatfly> if so, could be the date of import that you're seeing
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901 2013-12-23 15:42:35 <dooglus> michagogo|cloud: not often. but I'd rather it was right. those dates are almost a year off
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903 2013-12-23 15:43:05 <dooglus> flatfly: I don't remember what I did. I have used importprivkey before though
904 2013-12-23 15:43:08 <wumpus> dooglus: not sure if it would work, and be sure to make a backup, but you could try salvagewallet w/ only restore keys and then rescan for transactions
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906 2013-12-23 15:43:20 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|dooglus: Have you done a salvagewallet or something at some point?
907 2013-12-23 15:43:25 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: nah, wouldn't help
908 2013-12-23 15:43:35 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|All the transactions would be timestamped today
909 2013-12-23 15:43:40 <dooglus> I've never heard of salvagewallet, no. I've usd pywallet in the past to delete 'stuck' txs
910 2013-12-23 15:43:41 <wumpus> michagogo|cloud: even with master?
911 2013-12-23 15:43:43 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|dooglus: You'd need to edit the wallet db
912 2013-12-23 15:43:52 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: Oh, I don't actually know
913 2013-12-23 15:43:58 <jgarzik_> dooglus, odd. transaction date should be confirmation date.
914 2013-12-23 15:44:01 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Has rescanning there changed?
915 2013-12-23 15:44:14 <jgarzik_> indeed, -rescan would be the first thing.
916 2013-12-23 15:44:16 <wumpus> michagogo|cloud: I have a vague memory that that problem was solved, but not sure
917 2013-12-23 15:44:31 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Well, I don't know if it could be considered a problem
918 2013-12-23 15:44:58 <dooglus> jgarzik_: last tx in list: Date: 11-11-18 21:38
919 2013-12-23 15:44:58 <dooglus> Credit: 0.02 BTC
920 2013-12-23 15:44:58 <dooglus> Transaction ID: 3e78861d7bcfc6ed888cd4adea89b2c0f3c285e94dd6b33c3e05d41070e832b8
921 2013-12-23 15:45:03 <wumpus> yes, it was a problem, as jgarzik_says the transaction date should be the confirmation date if unknown
922 2013-12-23 15:45:07 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|brb, running `git log v0.8.6..HEAD | grep -B3 -C10 rescan`
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924 2013-12-23 15:45:36 <dooglus> "Included In Blocks102237 (2011-01-12 07:02:00 +0 minutes) "
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928 2013-12-23 15:46:44 <dooglus> bitcoin version "v0.8.0-dirty-beta"
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931 2013-12-23 15:48:18 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|hmm
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933 2013-12-23 15:48:26 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: How would I grep the git log?
934 2013-12-23 15:48:42 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Nothing searching for scan nor alvage
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936 2013-12-23 15:50:33 <wumpus> michagogo|cloud: there are various ways to grep git logs, but the fastest way to find out may be to simply try it out; create a new wallet, import a private key w/ rescan
937 2013-12-23 15:50:47 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: I don't mean "how do I grep"
938 2013-12-23 15:50:54 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I mean, what should I be grepping for
939 2013-12-23 15:51:06 <wumpus> eh, no idea
940 2013-12-23 15:51:27 <dooglus> I'm running a -rescan now - will report back
941 2013-12-23 15:51:31 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|git log v0.8.6..HEAD | grep -B6 -C10 scan | less
942 2013-12-23 15:51:36 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|no relevant results
943 2013-12-23 15:51:45 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|also tried alvage
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945 2013-12-23 15:52:00 <dooglus> debug.log is showing lots of "AddToWallet f2d87701e1
946 2013-12-23 15:52:03 <dooglus> " etc.
947 2013-12-23 15:52:13 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|dooglus: expected
948 2013-12-23 15:52:24 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(I think)
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953 2013-12-23 15:53:54 <wumpus> but a rescan will only find new transactions normally isn't it? or did you remove the (misdated) transactions from the wallet first?
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958 2013-12-23 15:58:41 <jgarzik_> wumpus, rescan: for each block { if mine { if not exists in wallet { add to wallet } } } }
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960 2013-12-23 15:58:50 <jgarzik_> dooglus, ^
961 2013-12-23 15:59:11 <jgarzik_> AddToWalletIfInvolvingMe()
962 2013-12-23 15:59:21 <jgarzik_> Uber Studly Caps Long Name
963 2013-12-23 15:59:34 <dooglus> SoItWontHelp, I guess
964 2013-12-23 15:59:37 <wumpus> hah
965 2013-12-23 15:59:50 <wumpus> that's why I suggested salvagewallet with keys only
966 2013-12-23 16:00:00 <dooglus> yeah, rescan finished. no visible change
967 2013-12-23 16:01:57 <dooglus> is salvagewallet going to lose my addressbook?
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969 2013-12-23 16:03:05 <wumpus> yes, it's going to lose everything
970 2013-12-23 16:03:46 <wumpus> you can do something more precise by removing only the tx records from the wallet
971 2013-12-23 16:04:50 <wumpus> eh a normal salvagewallet will probably restore all database records including txes, you'd really need a key-only salvage (don't know by heart how to trigger that)
972 2013-12-23 16:05:31 <wumpus> that would be enough to see if the idea would work in the first place, but sure, losing all the address book data and such may not be worth it
973 2013-12-23 16:07:45 <berndj> jgarzik_, i was just reading gizmodo's story on the nanosats. apparently you're a crazy hacker!
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976 2013-12-23 16:08:10 <berndj> jgarzik_, i was wondering how a nanosat would not be subject to the very sort of attack that is its purpose to defend against
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978 2013-12-23 16:08:59 <berndj> or how do you propose to get block data *to* the satellite reliably? (i accept that interfering with the sat's *transmissions* is infeasible)
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981 2013-12-23 16:09:38 * michagogo cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|grumbles https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=381930.msg4105252#msg4105252
982 2013-12-23 16:10:29 <waxwing> can i verify sigs with btc addresses rather than pubkeys? (i'm using python and pybitcointools for btc stuff)
983 2013-12-23 16:10:31 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: I thought salvagewallet was "create a new wallet and copy only the keys over"?
984 2013-12-23 16:10:48 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Or is that also changed since 0.8.x?
985 2013-12-23 16:10:55 <wumpus> michagogo|cloud: people on the forum can be so tiring
986 2013-12-23 16:11:01 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|ikr
987 2013-12-23 16:11:55 <Luke-Jr> michagogo|cloud: he's a Sr.Member!
988 2013-12-23 16:12:01 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|First he tells the OP "you only ever need one backup"
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990 2013-12-23 16:12:29 <jgarzik_> berndj, link?
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992 2013-12-23 16:12:39 <jgarzik_> berndj, missed that one...
993 2013-12-23 16:12:45 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|then he calls me an idiot and tells me that me meant "you need to back up after every single address you generate, but you don't generate addresses when you send transactions"
994 2013-12-23 16:12:51 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Anyway, g2g for now
995 2013-12-23 16:12:52 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|bbl
996 2013-12-23 16:12:57 <berndj> jgarzik_: http://gizmodo.com/crazy-hacker-wants-to-save-bitcoin-by-blasting-a-cubesa-1487464486# <-- you're in the title :)
997 2013-12-23 16:13:11 <wumpus> michagogo|cloud: you're right, -salvagewallet calls Recover in fOnlyKeys mode
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999 2013-12-23 16:14:14 <wumpus> so that should be enough to get rid of all transaction records
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1006 2013-12-23 16:18:04 <jgarzik_> berndj, cute, thanks :)
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1008 2013-12-23 16:20:14 <waxwing> any thoughts on my q? or am i asking in the wrong place?
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1010 2013-12-23 16:21:13 <Luke-Jr> waxwing: bitcoin signatures only verify with addresses already..
1011 2013-12-23 16:21:35 <Luke-Jr> unless you mean transaction signatures instead of signed messages
1012 2013-12-23 16:21:45 <Luke-Jr> but that's a low-level thing, and addresses don't exist at a low level
1013 2013-12-23 16:21:53 <waxwing> hmm i must have misunderstood
1014 2013-12-23 16:21:59 <waxwing> ahh i did mean messages
1015 2013-12-23 16:22:04 <waxwing> but perhaps that was my confusion
1016 2013-12-23 16:22:10 <Luke-Jr> signed messages already use an address to verify
1017 2013-12-23 16:22:23 <waxwing> i see. but in pybitcointools i have a function ecdsa_verify
1018 2013-12-23 16:22:27 <ThomasV> petertodd: ping
1019 2013-12-23 16:23:18 <ThomasV> petertodd: my real name is Thomas Voegtlin, and it's fine to link it to my bitcoin activities
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1021 2013-12-23 16:26:58 <dooglus> fwiw, I was able to delete all transactions from my wallet using "./pywallet.py --multidelete=/tmp/x" where /tmp/x has "tx\nall\n" in it
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1024 2013-12-23 16:28:01 <waxwing> yes pybitcointools definitely is using pubkeys rather than addresses for verification of signed messages
1025 2013-12-23 16:29:19 <dooglus> waxwing: signing a message with your address reveals your pubkey
1026 2013-12-23 16:29:38 <waxwing> right; is it easy to extract the pubkey from the signature?
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1028 2013-12-23 16:29:43 <waxwing> i saw a thread about it
1029 2013-12-23 16:30:43 <Luke-Jr> waxwing: use bitcoind then
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1032 2013-12-23 16:31:20 <waxwing> i want to be wallet-neutral if poss.
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1034 2013-12-23 16:31:57 <waxwing> is this the idea dooglus? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6430.0 ..
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1036 2013-12-23 16:32:15 <Luke-Jr> waxwing: bitcoind can verify signed messages even without a wallet (or blockchain)
1037 2013-12-23 16:32:27 <waxwing> that is true
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1039 2013-12-23 16:32:44 <waxwing> it seems like i can do everything else without bitcoind though. dependencies etc etc
1040 2013-12-23 16:33:09 <Luke-Jr> waxwing: I wonder what you're using signed messages for, btw?
1041 2013-12-23 16:33:16 <waxwing> signing contracts
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1043 2013-12-23 16:33:33 <waxwing> then using multisig deposit to enforce them
1044 2013-12-23 16:33:46 <Luke-Jr> O.o
1045 2013-12-23 16:33:55 <wumpus> waxwing: yes, you can do it without bitcoind, you just need to do the public key recovery yourself then, see https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/key.cpp#L267
1046 2013-12-23 16:35:00 <waxwing> ah thanks wumpus. it looks like what was in that thread was implemented.
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1050 2013-12-23 16:37:31 <petertodd> ThomasV: pong
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1052 2013-12-23 16:37:59 <ThomasV> pang
1053 2013-12-23 16:38:14 <ThomasV> petertodd: writing an email to you
1054 2013-12-23 16:38:47 <petertodd> ThomasV: cool, yeah, if you're public, then I'd do up a video'd public PGP statement like myself, and kyle drake have done among others
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1058 2013-12-23 16:39:44 <petertodd> ThomasV: trick is to recite a block header, then immediately timestamp the video file in the blockchain, which creates a small time window for any crazy compromise scenario, (IE fake the video)
1059 2013-12-23 16:40:02 <petertodd> ThomasV: of course, that's more useful when you've given public interviews and the like, but all the more reason to do that now
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1061 2013-12-23 16:42:56 <ThomasV> petertodd: email sent
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1065 2013-12-23 16:44:12 <ThomasV> petertodd: I will soon distribute Electrum through my company; that's one of the reasons I create it
1066 2013-12-23 16:44:39 <dataangel> did any devs end up commenting on the accelerating bitcoin transaction processing? (the GHOST paper) there was a lot of hubub about it on reddit and I haven't heard anything since
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1072 2013-12-23 16:47:26 <petertodd> ThomasV: replied, congrats on the company!
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1074 2013-12-23 16:48:39 <petertodd> dataangel: yeah, it's got some big problems
1075 2013-12-23 16:49:21 <petertodd> dataangel: IMO it doesn't actually solve the real issues around scalability anyway; it makes the bandwidth problems even worse
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1078 2013-12-23 16:54:02 <dataangel> petertodd: damn, sounded promising :P
1079 2013-12-23 16:54:42 <ThomasV> petertodd: what's the point of the video? isn't bitcoin-otc is already good enough?
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1081 2013-12-23 16:55:24 <petertodd> dataangel: yeah, having said, that, it's good *research* - often solving a problem thoroughly and carefully in a flawed way gives people insight into how it can be solved right
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1083 2013-12-23 16:56:26 <dataangel> good point
1084 2013-12-23 16:56:38 <petertodd> ThomasV: basically the video makes the assumption that the attacker is unable to convincingly fake a video of a human being in a short period of time in the past - if I know what you look and act like from another source I can use such videos to verify your pgp key
1085 2013-12-23 16:57:18 <ThomasV> I see
1086 2013-12-23 16:57:45 <petertodd> ThomasV: bitcoin-otc is good too, but remember you're trusting that site. mainly pgp verification is about cross-checking enough things that the attacker gets caught, and pgp wot is about *outsourcing* that verification to other people in a better position to do it for you. IE, I've met Amir in person, so I'm in a better position to verify his fingerprint than someone who hasn't.
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1088 2013-12-23 16:58:26 <ThomasV> ok, I'll send a video link to amir
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1090 2013-12-23 16:58:58 <petertodd> ThomasV: well, remember what I said: you do it best by creating a file that has been timestamped, because then you can re-use it in the future
1091 2013-12-23 16:59:16 <petertodd> ThomasV: for instance kyle drake did a youtube link, which is nice, but not ideal for re-usability
1092 2013-12-23 16:59:30 <petertodd> (I really need to write all this down in a HOWTO)
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1095 2013-12-23 17:00:16 <petertodd> ThomasV: easy timestamp tool FWIW: http://vog.github.io/bitcoinproof/
1096 2013-12-23 17:00:40 <petertodd> or create a op_return if you want to be pedantic about UTXO set bloat
1097 2013-12-23 17:00:46 <ThomasV> I will timestamp it by reading a title of a common newspaper. "The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banksÂ
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1099 2013-12-23 17:01:11 <petertodd> ThomasV: lol, nah, I strongly recommend block headers for ease of verification
1100 2013-12-23 17:01:16 <ThomasV> :)
1101 2013-12-23 17:01:32 <petertodd> ThomasV: and remember, that's not actually a timestamp, it's a "prove it was made after a certain time"
1102 2013-12-23 17:01:40 <ThomasV> sure
1103 2013-12-23 17:02:08 <petertodd> (I'm sure you realized that, but others are reading this too!)
1104 2013-12-23 17:02:27 <ThomasV> yes, satoshi might read this too
1105 2013-12-23 17:02:40 <petertodd> oh I know he is
1106 2013-12-23 17:03:38 <dooglus> jgarzik_: re. "transaction date should be confirmation date", I deleted all the tx from my wallet using pywallet, ran bitcoin -rescan, and now all transaction dates are "13-12-21 22:05". no idea why it picked dec 21st - that's 2 days ago!
1107 2013-12-23 17:04:20 <waxwing> I guess there must be something in the Electrum source corresponding to this: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/key.cpp#L267 right?
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1109 2013-12-23 17:05:01 <ThomasV> waxwing: yes there is. there's also a dedicated channel for #electrum
1110 2013-12-23 17:05:07 <dooglus> before: http://i.imgur.com/1assz3y.png ; after: http://i.imgur.com/aN5hLIl.png
1111 2013-12-23 17:06:05 <waxwing> apologies, it was following on from something not Electrum related
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1113 2013-12-23 17:07:37 <ThomasV> petertodd: who signed your pgp key?
1114 2013-12-23 17:08:19 <petertodd> ThomasV: a whole bunch of people have; warren did on the basis of the video fingerprint statement and some other verification
1115 2013-12-23 17:09:14 <ThomasV> petertodd: whoever did it on the basis of the video should be banned forever from the wot. they failed to detect your attack :)
1116 2013-12-23 17:09:37 <ThomasV> indeed, the guy on this video is not reading the correct timestamp
1117 2013-12-23 17:09:51 <petertodd> ThomasV: ?
1118 2013-12-23 17:10:05 <ThomasV> at one point you say "677" but it is 617
1119 2013-12-23 17:10:12 <petertodd> ThomasV: oh, yeah, lol
1120 2013-12-23 17:10:33 <petertodd> ThomasV: heh, I forget how many digits of it I recited - each one does make an attack 256 times harder after all :P
1121 2013-12-23 17:10:44 <petertodd> ThomasV: er, 16 times
1122 2013-12-23 17:10:58 <ThomasV> I propose that whoever signed your key shall be burned in public
1123 2013-12-23 17:11:26 <ThomasV> and you too :)
1124 2013-12-23 17:11:38 <petertodd> ThomasV: lol, is that the only mistake? makes for a convenient sentinal value to gage how careful people are
1125 2013-12-23 17:12:12 <ThomasV> oh I'm sure I will do mistakes too if I get filmed
1126 2013-12-23 17:12:40 * Luke-Jr notes PGP signatures have an indicator for level of certainty..
1127 2013-12-23 17:12:46 <petertodd> ThomasV: heh, I should put that in the howto: "Make one small mistake to check on your partners to see how careful they are"
1128 2013-12-23 17:12:51 <Luke-Jr> there is a "I have only checked casually" option
1129 2013-12-23 17:13:10 <ThomasV> petertodd: btw, someone made a film of my talk at calafou. I'd be curious to see it
1130 2013-12-23 17:13:51 <petertodd> ThomasV: oh cool! me too
1131 2013-12-23 17:14:01 <ThomasV> ask amir
1132 2013-12-23 17:14:26 <ThomasV> they even zoomed on the keyboard when I was typing my password
1133 2013-12-23 17:14:33 <petertodd> ThomasV: lol!
1134 2013-12-23 17:14:41 <petertodd> ThomasV: yoru brainwallet right? :P
1135 2013-12-23 17:14:51 <ThomasV> yeah, my life savings :)
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1138 2013-12-23 17:15:41 <petertodd> ThomasV: this is why when I was at the bitcoin conference, and the hackathon, I temporarily changed the passwords on my laptop...
1139 2013-12-23 17:15:49 <ThomasV> fortunately I noticed it, so I asked them to stop filming when I was typing the password
1140 2013-12-23 17:16:00 <ThomasV> hehe
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1142 2013-12-23 17:16:22 <Luke-Jr> ThomasV: did you fix Electrum yet?
1143 2013-12-23 17:16:53 <ThomasV> Luke-Jr: Electrum is fine. I think "send from" is acceptable
1144 2013-12-23 17:17:00 <Luke-Jr> ThomasV: it isn't. it's a bug.
1145 2013-12-23 17:17:16 * Luke-Jr proposes removing Electrum from bitcoin.org
1146 2013-12-23 17:17:37 <ThomasV> oh well..
1147 2013-12-23 17:17:48 <ThomasV> Luke-Jr: why is that so important to you?
1148 2013-12-23 17:18:01 <Luke-Jr> ThomasV: because I have to deal with the idiots you confuse and set them straight.
1149 2013-12-23 17:18:24 <Luke-Jr> "There is no 'from address'. Electrum is confusing you. 'Send from' essentially does nothing really, just ignore it."
1150 2013-12-23 17:18:36 <petertodd> ThomasV: yeah I'm going to have to second that. Either do a coin-control thing, or none at all. 'send from' sends the wrong message
1151 2013-12-23 17:18:56 <petertodd> ThomasV: it's fine to in reality have that functionality through a coin-control feature, but don't present it as a send-from
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1153 2013-12-23 17:19:43 <petertodd> ThomasV: like, right now you can select multiple addresses, and collectively send-from, which is basically coin-control, but there needs to be a better way to present the idea
1154 2013-12-23 17:19:46 <ThomasV> petertodd: what would be the difference? add the ability to pick only some utxos from a given address?
1155 2013-12-23 17:20:45 <Luke-Jr> ThomasV: utxos aren't from an address, they *were to* an address
1156 2013-12-23 17:20:45 <petertodd> ThomasV: basically just put it in a separate tab or something, I believe bitcoin-qt is doing that these days
1157 2013-12-23 17:20:55 <petertodd> ThomasV: and yeah, per UTXO is a good way
1158 2013-12-23 17:21:06 <petertodd> ThomasV: the main value of coin-control features is user education IMKO
1159 2013-12-23 17:21:10 <petertodd> *IMO
1160 2013-12-23 17:21:13 <Luke-Jr> ThomasV: the address which received the UTXO is unrelated to the transaction being created
1161 2013-12-23 17:21:33 <petertodd> Luke-Jr: though keep in mind that electrum *does* discourge address re-use reasonably well
1162 2013-12-23 17:21:56 <petertodd> Luke-Jr: the hidden "Used" folder for all your used addresses is a great UI
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1164 2013-12-23 17:23:23 <ThomasV> I don't think that adding the capability to select only some utxos corresponding to a given address, instead of all of them, would add much usability
1165 2013-12-23 17:23:25 <petertodd> ThomasV, Luke-Jr: Heck, can we compromise right now and have a checkbox saying "Enable Coin-Control" in the options, off by default, that turns on "Send From"? That'd keep the users who don't know any better from stumbling onto it.
1166 2013-12-23 17:24:13 <petertodd> Luke-Jr: There's future options like stealth addresses (soemthing I'm working on) that make a lot of these problems go away anyway, and I think Electrum has important stuff like coinjoin and better privacy to implement right now.
1167 2013-12-23 17:24:13 <wumpus> it's not the feature that is wrong, but "send from" is the wrong naming for it
1168 2013-12-23 17:24:59 <Luke-Jr> ThomasV: the address is unrelated to the transaction you're creating
1169 2013-12-23 17:25:16 <Luke-Jr> there is no reason to select UTXOs based on address at all
1170 2013-12-23 17:26:03 <Luke-Jr> I gotta run.. bbiab
1171 2013-12-23 17:26:16 <ThomasV> petertodd: coinjoin is not really planned for the moment. my priority is the radix tree of utxos, server side, to have a proof of completeness
1172 2013-12-23 17:26:16 <petertodd> Luke-Jr: without better privacy features there often is
1173 2013-12-23 17:26:54 <petertodd> ThomasV: that sounds like perfectly good priorities
1174 2013-12-23 17:27:04 <ThomasV> petertodd: but someone can write a coinjoin plugin
1175 2013-12-23 17:27:24 <petertodd> ThomasV: for sure, I see someone wrote a plugin to use bc.i's send shared for instance
1176 2013-12-23 17:27:28 <maaku> Well to be fair, if you're doing coin conttrol that's probably how you're going to look for and select outputs - by size, age, and address - but 'send from' totally sends the wrong signal
1177 2013-12-23 17:27:52 <petertodd> maaku: yeah, it's not that it's a bad feature per say, it's that it sends a bad message to newbies
1178 2013-12-23 17:28:25 <ThomasV> I fail to see why it sends a bad message
1179 2013-12-23 17:28:49 <Luke-Jr> I've never selected coins by address. ever.
1180 2013-12-23 17:28:54 <maaku> ThomasV: people think they are wiring money between accounts
1181 2013-12-23 17:28:55 <Luke-Jr> and I coincontrol almost every transaction.
1182 2013-12-23 17:28:59 <maaku> like a bank transfer
1183 2013-12-23 17:29:04 <petertodd> ThomasV: the idea that the "from address" matters encourages people to see addresses like accounts
1184 2013-12-23 17:29:33 <Luke-Jr> ThomasV: it also makes people think the address which received the UTXO is somehow related to the current transaction (it isn't, at all)
1185 2013-12-23 17:29:56 <petertodd> Luke-Jr: well it is from an information leakage point of view, but that's a subtle concept...
1186 2013-12-23 17:29:56 <Luke-Jr> the person/account who received the UTXO may be entirely unrelated to the person/account sending the current transaction
1187 2013-12-23 17:29:59 <ThomasV> Luke-Jr: it is
1188 2013-12-23 17:30:03 <Luke-Jr> ThomasV: it isn't
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1190 2013-12-23 17:30:33 <Luke-Jr> there is zero relationship between the address which received the UTXO, and the transaction being created now
1191 2013-12-23 17:30:34 <petertodd> Luke-Jr: they may be, they may not be; it's an infomation leak that is useful to control, but bad to encourage
1192 2013-12-23 17:31:09 <ThomasV> I have the feeling that we are arguing on wording here
1193 2013-12-23 17:31:20 <Luke-Jr> usually when I coincontrol, I look at priority and amount; sometimes label.
1194 2013-12-23 17:31:31 <petertodd> Luke-Jr: that's the subtlety here: coin control by address is useful for advanced users, but we don't want to get the newbies to get the wrong idea about the significance of it.
1195 2013-12-23 17:31:53 <petertodd> Luke-Jr: you're not using coin-control for why most people do for the sounds of it - I use it to restrict information leakages
1196 2013-12-23 17:32:13 <Luke-Jr> petertodd: information leakage is a matter for labels/groupings
1197 2013-12-23 17:32:16 <Luke-Jr> not addresses
1198 2013-12-23 17:32:25 <ThomasV> petertodd: I believe most people use it for that: restrict info leakage
1199 2013-12-23 17:33:00 <maaku> ThomasV: for that they should have multiple wallets...
1200 2013-12-23 17:33:03 <ThomasV> but if we did agree on everything, there would be just one bitcoin client :)
1201 2013-12-23 17:33:10 <petertodd> ThomasV: lol
1202 2013-12-23 17:33:12 <ThomasV> maaku: right
1203 2013-12-23 17:33:46 <maaku> ThomasV: we are arguing about wording, but it's not a trivial issue
1204 2013-12-23 17:33:47 <ThomasV> maaku: or different bip32 accounts
1205 2013-12-23 17:33:52 <maaku> yeah
1206 2013-12-23 17:33:59 <Luke-Jr> ThomasV: presenting it as a relationship, is inherently broken by design
1207 2013-12-23 17:34:08 <ThomasV> electrum 2.0 will have bip32 accounts
1208 2013-12-23 17:34:15 <petertodd> ThomasV: cool!
1209 2013-12-23 17:34:36 <maaku> because one of the most important user-education things is to get people accustomed to how bitcoin accounting works, and subtletes like shared transactions
1210 2013-12-23 17:35:08 <ThomasV> shared tx, as in coinjoin?
1211 2013-12-23 17:35:17 <maaku> that's one example
1212 2013-12-23 17:35:17 <petertodd> maaku: agreed - a nice graphic display of the amounts going into and out of a transaction would be a really nice feature for a wallet to have...
1213 2013-12-23 17:35:41 <swulf--> petertodd: btw, I put up some bounty for code review of my javascript bip32 stuff.. no takers :(
1214 2013-12-23 17:35:46 <maaku> "send from", even if correct in a narrow meaning, re-enforces a naive view of how transactions work that just isn't correct
1215 2013-12-23 17:35:54 <maaku> so a different wording might be better
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1217 2013-12-23 17:36:04 <ThomasV> maaku: what would you suggest?
1218 2013-12-23 17:36:04 <Luke-Jr> "send from" isn't correct in any meaning IMO
1219 2013-12-23 17:36:08 <petertodd> maaku: oh, and with coinjoin, make that display show the other user's inputs and outputs clearly (IE two party mix) with a checkbox that turns on and off the per-user coloring: "What I know/What the rest of the world sees"
1220 2013-12-23 17:36:50 <petertodd> swulf--: pity that few people are familiar with javacsript in this crowd; I'd review it but it wouldn't be as good a review
1221 2013-12-23 17:37:17 <petertodd> ThomasV: "send using" ?
1222 2013-12-23 17:37:21 <Luke-Jr> swulf--: link? maybe I can find time
1223 2013-12-23 17:37:24 <swulf--> peter: tbh, I'm part of that crowd.. which only reinforces the need for a good review of it.
1224 2013-12-23 17:37:34 <Luke-Jr> petertodd: but it isn't using (or any other verb) the address.
1225 2013-12-23 17:37:35 <maaku> both of petertodd's suggestions are good
1226 2013-12-23 17:37:47 <swulf--> Luke-Jr: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=325468.msg3985936#msg3985936
1227 2013-12-23 17:37:49 <maaku> Luke-Jr: "from" is the issue
1228 2013-12-23 17:37:54 <Luke-Jr> part of it
1229 2013-12-23 17:38:09 <Luke-Jr> but there is no relationship whatsoever between the address and the trasnsaction being created
1230 2013-12-23 17:38:26 <petertodd> "using" isn't perfect, but at least it doesn't imply an origin, which is the main thing that users misunderstand
1231 2013-12-23 17:38:43 <Luke-Jr> "Select coins received with"
1232 2013-12-23 17:39:11 <Luke-Jr> "Select coin received with" since plural is bad practice ;)
1233 2013-12-23 17:39:25 <Luke-Jr> "Resend coin received with" if there's no way to add others..
1234 2013-12-23 17:40:01 <petertodd> Actually... just call it "Send", which implies nothing more than your sending some funds you selected.
1235 2013-12-23 17:40:01 <wumpus> "Send with coin control"?
1236 2013-12-23 17:40:10 <petertodd> wumpus: even better
1237 2013-12-23 17:40:51 <petertodd> and ideally an advanced "receive" display would show every individual UTXO, which is easy to do with another layer
1238 2013-12-23 17:41:00 <ThomasV> Luke-Jr: can you give me one practical example of something wrong miseducated users do because of "send from" wording?
1239 2013-12-23 17:41:12 <petertodd> and that we can do with a master "Enable coin-control" checkbox
1240 2013-12-23 17:41:26 <Luke-Jr> ThomasV: ask for a signed message from the "sending address" to prove you sent it
1241 2013-12-23 17:41:50 <petertodd> Luke-Jr
1242 2013-12-23 17:41:54 <Luke-Jr> "Resend coin received with" works against the misconception, since it reiterates that the address was used to receive
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1244 2013-12-23 17:42:41 <petertodd> Luke-Jr: FWIW I have a "stealth addresses" proposal that as a side-effect can be used to let you prove you sent a specific transaction, without being able to prove what UTXO was the soruce of the funds.
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1246 2013-12-23 17:43:18 <ThomasV> Luke-Jr: but that is reasonable, if you assume the transaction was created by a single person
1247 2013-12-23 17:43:26 <Luke-Jr> petertodd: that sounds handy
1248 2013-12-23 17:43:58 <Luke-Jr> ThomasV: that isn't a reasonable assumption
1249 2013-12-23 17:44:14 <petertodd> Luke-Jr: yeah, it's a bit more blockchain data if I do it that way (the alternative method is zero-bloat) but I'm starting to think it's worth it
1250 2013-12-23 17:44:15 <Luke-Jr> even if your coin is the only output, maybe I withdrew from MtGox
1251 2013-12-23 17:44:15 <ThomasV> Luke-Jr: I agree that it is not always the case
1252 2013-12-23 17:44:32 <Luke-Jr> petertodd: alternative?
1253 2013-12-23 17:44:55 <Luke-Jr> ThomasV: it is often the case that *someone else* can sign a message with that address
1254 2013-12-23 17:45:06 <petertodd> Luke-Jr: come to think of it the mechanism could also let you securely send coins from a third party who is *not* able to determine where you sent them, and they can't later claim to have sent them
1255 2013-12-23 17:45:42 <petertodd> Luke-Jr: alternative is to re-use a pubkey from a scriptSig for the ECDH that stealth addresses depend on
1256 2013-12-23 17:46:25 <Luke-Jr> petertodd: do these work without mastercoin?
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1258 2013-12-23 17:46:52 <ThomasV> Luke-Jr: if you withdrew from mtgox, then you cannot prove it was you who sent it, because it was not you...
1259 2013-12-23 17:46:58 <Luke-Jr> ThomasV: it was me
1260 2013-12-23 17:47:01 <petertodd> Luke-Jr: none of this has anything to do with mastercoin, although stealth addresses could be used in a msc tx too
1261 2013-12-23 17:47:07 <ThomasV> no it was mtgox
1262 2013-12-23 17:47:21 <Luke-Jr> ThomasV: it was my money, and I was the one who ordered the funds sent.
1263 2013-12-23 17:47:25 <petertodd> ThomasV: technically mtgox, legally luke-jr
1264 2013-12-23 17:47:26 <Luke-Jr> ThomasV: that is all that matters.
1265 2013-12-23 17:48:00 <petertodd> ThomasV: read my "cut-thru-payments" proposal sometime too - the "originator" of the funds could very well be a mtgox *customer*
1266 2013-12-23 17:48:15 <petertodd> ThomasV: or indeed, the customer of a mtgox customer...
1267 2013-12-23 17:49:23 <ThomasV> ok, I understand, but I do not think that renaming a menu in electrum will magically simplify the way Bitcoin works.
1268 2013-12-23 17:49:31 <Luke-Jr> ThomasV: if I cannot send my payment from my MtGox account to you and have it treated the same as if I used any other wallet, then you are not bitcoin-compatible ;)
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1270 2013-12-23 17:49:48 <petertodd> ThomasV: no it won't, but it may help us guide how new users think the system works
1271 2013-12-23 17:50:25 <Luke-Jr> it avoids the users getting confused
1272 2013-12-23 17:50:28 <ThomasV> petertodd: I always tried to make a client that is easier to use than bitcoin-qt. this involves some simplifications
1273 2013-12-23 17:50:41 <Luke-Jr> "Resend coin received with" doesn't infer any relationship between the address and the transaction
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1275 2013-12-23 17:50:57 <Luke-Jr> ThomasV: "Send from" isn't simplification, it's just wrong
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1277 2013-12-23 17:51:40 <Luke-Jr> anyhow, really gtg now..
1278 2013-12-23 17:51:44 <ThomasV> Luke-Jr: it is not wrong. your mtgox example does not invalidate it, because it shows a scenario that is very different
1279 2013-12-23 17:51:44 <petertodd> same
1280 2013-12-23 17:51:48 <petertodd> later
1281 2013-12-23 17:51:59 <Luke-Jr> ThomasV: it's not very different. it's a bitcoin transaction.
1282 2013-12-23 17:52:12 <ThomasV> ok, ttyl
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1312 2013-12-23 18:41:02 <deanclkclk> question re json-rpc bitcoind ..do I set the username and password in the header?
1313 2013-12-23 18:41:09 <deanclkclk> the header request?
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1315 2013-12-23 18:43:21 <wumpus> deanclkclk: http basic authorization
1316 2013-12-23 18:43:36 <upb> authentication* :)
1317 2013-12-23 18:43:41 <upb> very different things
1318 2013-12-23 18:44:00 <deanclkclk> how does that work wumpus upb ?
1319 2013-12-23 18:44:04 <deanclkclk> is there any doc?
1320 2013-12-23 18:44:18 <deanclkclk> is that as simple as setting the username and password in the header request?
1321 2013-12-23 18:44:30 <upb> http://bit.ly/11klN88
1322 2013-12-23 18:44:44 <wumpus> upb: the header is called Authorization, but sure, they're different things
1323 2013-12-23 18:45:09 <wumpus> deanclkclk: it's documented in many places over the net, nothing bitcoin specific to it
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1347 2013-12-23 19:05:57 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|;;google http basic authentication
1348 2013-12-23 19:05:58 <gribble> Basic access authentication - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_access_authentication>; RFC 2617 - HTTP Authentication: Basic and Digest Access ...: <http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2617>; Authentication and Authorization - Apache HTTP Server: <http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/howto/auth.html>
1349 2013-12-23 19:06:03 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|deanclkclk: ^
1350 2013-12-23 19:06:19 <deanclkclk> yeah thx folks. I found something
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1419 2013-12-23 19:45:58 <Anduckling> is this a valid transaction that should get included in any block? https://blockchain.info/tx/b9fea767f85bb60fe22b9ff961a0733d8a8fe895ea44b96c741eb80dfb8bef97
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1421 2013-12-23 19:46:59 <kaptah> too small fee, might not get included
1422 2013-12-23 19:48:11 <tommygunner> wait for a lucky streak and it will
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1424 2013-12-23 19:50:43 <Apocalyptic> kaptah, it's not really about the fee
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1426 2013-12-23 19:50:47 <deanclkclk> what command can I run to test if bitcoind is running from my web app?
1427 2013-12-23 19:51:05 <Apocalyptic> the size > 10k, not sure if it even passes the IsStandard() check
1428 2013-12-23 19:52:09 <kaptah> Apocalyptic: if it wouldn't there wouldn't be network propagation
1429 2013-12-23 19:52:13 <Matt_von_Mises> The satoshi client is sending an addr message which is 30003 bytes long. That message is reporting 1000 addresses. 1000 addresses wont fit in 30003 bytes. What is going on?
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1454 2013-12-23 20:29:28 <deanclkclk> folks..where is the datadir found again?..I am getting this error
1455 2013-12-23 20:29:32 <deanclkclk> Error: Specified directory does not exist
1456 2013-12-23 20:29:33 <deanclkclk> : Error initializing block database.
1457 2013-12-23 20:29:35 <deanclkclk> Do you want to rebuild the block database now?
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1472 2013-12-23 20:53:58 <warren> ThomasV: to be clear, I signed petertodd after multiple methods, the video was not a major consideration
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