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47 2013-12-25 00:59:09 <Mad7scientist> what's the name of the IRC channel that old bitcoin clients connect to?
48 2013-12-25 00:59:26 <sipa> #bitcoin?? on irc.lfnet.org
49 2013-12-25 00:59:37 <sipa> and before that, #bitcoin on irc.lfnet.org
50 2013-12-25 00:59:45 <sipa> and before that, #bitcoin on irc.freenode.org, i thinl
51 2013-12-25 01:00:04 <gmaxwell> yea, they still join #bitcoin here every once in a while.
52 2013-12-25 01:01:15 <jaromil> yep the first one was here. I still facepalm to this approach for a p2p tracker, yet it has a point in relying on a generic and somehow resilient infrastructure...
53 2013-12-25 01:02:03 <gmaxwell> jaromil: it's only initial introduction and it always supported manual bootstrapping. The bittorrent clients don't do any better (hardcoded dht initilization against a centeralized server).
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59 2013-12-25 01:12:30 <jaromil> yea I know. my dream is to have gnunet integrated. grothoff says is almost ready for production use.
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61 2013-12-25 01:12:46 <jaromil> imho gnunet is the state of the art for p2p networking right now
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63 2013-12-25 01:13:51 <gmaxwell> I'm pretty sure that _bitcoin_ is in fact the state of the are for p2p networking. Considering that we have the only attack resistant decenteralized network worth billions of dollars. :P
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65 2013-12-25 01:14:26 <sipa> i'm sure some would object to calling bitcoin "state something"
66 2013-12-25 01:16:24 <kinlo> mmmz, any idea why there is 80GH on testnet? sounds a bit high :/
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68 2013-12-25 01:17:12 <netg> old asics?
69 2013-12-25 01:17:16 <andytoshi> kinlo: there is a single person (i forget who) who likes to point asics at it
70 2013-12-25 01:17:20 <andytoshi> he'll stop after a while
71 2013-12-25 01:17:44 <kinlo> it doesn't distrub me, I can always run testnet in a box, but seems such a waste :)
72 2013-12-25 01:18:03 <netg> andytoshi: is he testing or his setup = misconfigured?
73 2013-12-25 01:18:04 <andytoshi> yeah, my guess is that it's only fun while you're watching it :)
74 2013-12-25 01:18:29 <andytoshi> no, he's just accumulating test coins i think
75 2013-12-25 01:18:40 <netg> k
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78 2013-12-25 01:18:56 <kinlo> you probably get equal amount of testnet coins with 1 gh :)
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80 2013-12-25 01:22:11 <maaku> it's probably time to reset testnet with 0.9...
81 2013-12-25 01:22:32 <sipa> it's pretty easy to just add new testnets now
82 2013-12-25 01:22:39 <sipa> -testnet=4
83 2013-12-25 01:22:52 <sipa> without removing support for the old ones, i mean
84 2013-12-25 01:23:00 <sipa> though maybe there's no point in that
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94 2013-12-25 01:29:38 <andytoshi> hmm, i should release an alt which is literally just a shellscript running 'bitcoind -testnet=1000', see how long it takes anyone to figure it out
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98 2013-12-25 01:30:07 <Belxjander> andyo: making the testnet actually have value ?
99 2013-12-25 01:31:04 <jaromil> gmaxwell: perhaps what I mean with p2p in gnunet is not what you mean here. a dht initialization against gnunet nodes might be better than what we have now, sometime soon.
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110 2013-12-25 01:43:22 <niston> how long takes it for a failed transaction to be recognized ?
111 2013-12-25 01:44:19 <niston> or are the coins sent just lost?
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114 2013-12-25 01:44:47 <copumpkin> failed?
115 2013-12-25 01:44:50 <nsh> (that's probably a #bitcoin question)
116 2013-12-25 01:44:57 <niston> alright
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124 2013-12-25 01:55:28 <c0rw1n> niston : the intertubez are congested with wishes and gifts
125 2013-12-25 01:55:39 <c0rw1n> oh wrong channel
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129 2013-12-25 01:57:48 <niston> c0rw1n haha
130 2013-12-25 01:57:56 <niston> yeah looks like :P
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144 2013-12-25 02:04:23 <flyman> Hi, I want to offer a BitCoin service, how can I use the blockchain to do that?
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147 2013-12-25 02:05:01 <c0rw1n> you interface your business logic with the bitcoind RPC messaging
148 2013-12-25 02:05:10 <maaku> flyman: first of all drop the camel case. secondly, what type of service?
149 2013-12-25 02:05:30 <flyman> camel case?
150 2013-12-25 02:05:55 <flyman> c0rw1n, thanks. I just want to make a messenger using bitcoin.
151 2013-12-25 02:06:24 <c0rw1n> flyman: go read up on bitmessage and namecoin, don't reinvent the wheel
152 2013-12-25 02:06:56 <c0rw1n> camelCase is WritingLikeThis
153 2013-12-25 02:07:27 <flyman> c0rw1n, but so many have. Like litecoin, or that dog thing.
154 2013-12-25 02:07:59 <go1111111> i'm a windows dev, never developed on another platform, and want to work on bitcoin-qt. i'm very familiar with actual c++ coding, but i'm finding the github project and linux tools very unfamiliar. I believe i just compiled the project (ran 'make' as described in build-unix.md), and expected some sort of output telling me where the exes were being binplaced, but I see nothing like that. is there any tutorial people ca
155 2013-12-25 02:07:59 <go1111111> n recommend that would ease my transition into this project?
156 2013-12-25 02:08:01 <maaku> don't use the block chain for messaging, unless you like paying $0.10 per short message
157 2013-12-25 02:08:07 <c0rw1n> you can sign messages using bitcoin yes. it's not recommended.
158 2013-12-25 02:08:12 <flyman> maaku, oh.
159 2013-12-25 02:08:23 <flyman> c0rw1n, ok, thank you.
160 2013-12-25 02:08:46 <maaku> if you want to tie identity to a bitcoin keypair, then there is the signmessage JSON-RPC command
161 2013-12-25 02:08:47 <flyman> maaku, I am sorry, I didn't know I was doing that...
162 2013-12-25 02:08:58 <monolithik> does bitcoind compile with MSVC++?
163 2013-12-25 02:09:02 <maaku> otherwise bitmessage is probably already what you are looking for
164 2013-12-25 02:09:03 <maaku> monolithik: no
165 2013-12-25 02:09:48 <flyman> maaku, ok, I will check it out, thank you.
166 2013-12-25 02:10:17 <monolithik> in that case, I see no real reason to develop bitcoind on windows in the first place
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168 2013-12-25 02:10:27 <flyman> I was hoping to tie voice patterns with it, to have an HTML5 page, based on voice pattern to also use (originally) a address or hash to confirm the ID.
169 2013-12-25 02:10:32 <maaku> go1111111: unfortunately not. but you should find the bitcoind binary in 'src'
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171 2013-12-25 02:11:02 <flyman> I have learned it isn't as easy as I hoped.
172 2013-12-25 02:11:23 <maaku> monolithik: you can use cygwin or mingw
173 2013-12-25 02:11:44 <maaku> but most developers are on some flavor of unix or os x
174 2013-12-25 02:12:08 <maaku> bitcoin used to build under MSVC++, but that was a very very long time ago
175 2013-12-25 02:12:44 <monolithik> makes sense. IMO if you're using cygwin/mingw already you might as well just use *nix
176 2013-12-25 02:13:10 <monolithik> but I guess someone needs to make sure all the windows stuff actually works.
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178 2013-12-25 02:13:30 <flyman> You could always use a Raspberry Pi, SSH and use X11 like I am to remotely access it on Windows.
179 2013-12-25 02:14:00 <go1111111> maaku: thanks. do you know if the bitcoin project works fairly similarly to lots of other github projects? so if i do find some 'how to get your start as a linux open source developer' tutorial, things should apply pretty straightforwardly to this project? or are we using lots of weird/custom stuff?
180 2013-12-25 02:14:37 <maaku> it's a fairly standard autotools configured project
181 2013-12-25 02:15:21 <go1111111> ok, thanks.
182 2013-12-25 02:15:27 <monolithik> go111111: familiarize yourself with bash and basic commands, then read up on autotools
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184 2013-12-25 02:17:58 <go1111111> will do.
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186 2013-12-25 02:22:50 <go1111111> hooray, I seem to be running the bitcoin-qt exe that I built. does the 'version' mean anything on these 'master' builds? it's showing 0.8.2. I thought I was on the 'master' branch, but i see no evidence of coin control in the UI, so that plus the 0.8.2 makes me think i'm in the wrong branch
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188 2013-12-25 02:25:09 <gmaxwell> go1111111: you need to enable coincontrol in the preferences.
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190 2013-12-25 02:28:11 <go1111111> ah, very nice. thanks.
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243 2013-12-25 04:05:00 <rdn> how does bitcoin handle inadvertently connecting to itself? does it do something to determine its public ip?
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247 2013-12-25 04:05:46 <Luke-Jr> rdn: new connections trade "magic"
248 2013-12-25 04:05:56 <Luke-Jr> rdn: if it matches, it assumes a connect-to-self and disconnects
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250 2013-12-25 04:07:36 <rdn> Luke-Jr, do you know what the magic is? a string+salt hashed with a random key and if it decrypts its considered self?
251 2013-12-25 04:07:57 <Luke-Jr> rdn: pretty sure it's just random.
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253 2013-12-25 04:15:34 <gmaxwell> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=383984.0 < did I see someone else reporting the same thing elsewhere?
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333 2013-12-25 06:01:20 <andytoshi> does anyone here have a tmpfs in their /etc/fstab?
334 2013-12-25 06:01:43 <andytoshi> mine is saying "special device tmpfs does not exist" since i upgraded to f20
335 2013-12-25 06:01:48 <Luke-Jr> andytoshi: everyone should
336 2013-12-25 06:02:01 <Luke-Jr> shm /dev/shm tmpfs nodev,nosuid,noexec 0 0
337 2013-12-25 06:02:13 <Luke-Jr> tmpfs is the type, not the device
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339 2013-12-25 06:02:14 <andytoshi> Luke-Jr: oh, good point ... fedora obviously changed something, because i'm missing that one
340 2013-12-25 06:02:17 <andytoshi> (and several others)
341 2013-12-25 06:02:30 <andytoshi> Luke-Jr: on the web, people are using tmpfs as the device as well as the type
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343 2013-12-25 06:03:17 <Luke-Jr> andytoshi: device itself is ignored
344 2013-12-25 06:03:30 <andytoshi> hmm, it is evidently not being ignored
345 2013-12-25 06:03:32 <andytoshi> thx
346 2013-12-25 06:03:39 <Luke-Jr> sure the type is set?
347 2013-12-25 06:03:55 <andytoshi> tmpfs /home/apoelstra/.mozilla ext3 defaults,user,size=1g 0 0
348 2013-12-25 06:04:51 <andytoshi> (yes)
349 2013-12-25 06:05:03 <andytoshi> wait, the type should be tmpfs, derp
350 2013-12-25 06:05:04 <Luke-Jr> no, you have ext3 as the type there.
351 2013-12-25 06:05:26 <andytoshi> :} thanks
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354 2013-12-25 06:09:43 <alexl> what happens to previously-confirmed transactions when a block is solved?
355 2013-12-25 06:11:32 <alexl> technically. wondering what happens if my client confirms 4 transactions, but then another client solves the block.
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357 2013-12-25 06:16:39 <andytoshi> alexl: #bitcoin
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365 2013-12-25 06:31:43 <alexl> andytoshi: I'm working on macos and would like to work on the client, but trying to get a get understanding of the protocol first
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368 2013-12-25 06:34:45 <justanotheruser> alexl: I answered your question in #bitcoin
369 2013-12-25 06:35:16 <alexl> you rock
370 2013-12-25 06:35:17 <kanzure> hi justanotheruser
371 2013-12-25 06:35:56 <justanotheruser> hi kanzure
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406 2013-12-25 07:17:39 <andytoshi> j bitcoin
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503 2013-12-25 09:45:58 <q_a_z_steve_> Can someone help me compile vanitygen on an ubuntu 13.10 i386 livecd? It says it can't find openssl/sha.h ?
504 2013-12-25 09:46:28 <netg> #bitcoin
505 2013-12-25 09:46:57 <q_a_z_steve_> cool
506 2013-12-25 09:53:45 q_a_z_steve_ is now known as q_a_z_steve
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549 2013-12-25 10:52:22 <Plarkplark_> any way to stop stuff like this
550 2013-12-25 10:52:27 <Plarkplark_> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1tncpx/i_thought_some_of_you_might_be_interested_in_this/
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556 2013-12-25 11:01:00 <wumpus> Plarkplark_: raise fees
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558 2013-12-25 11:03:53 <wumpus> the floating fees stuff will ensue competition for block space, which will discourage at least storing crap data in the block chain
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560 2013-12-25 11:13:46 <Plarkplark_> its so spammy and hurts btc
561 2013-12-25 11:14:06 <Plarkplark_> The last thing we need is regulators "banning" bitcoin because "it contains CP"
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567 2013-12-25 11:20:10 <Emcy_> why do people keep coming up with store random crap in the chain projects?
568 2013-12-25 11:20:41 <Emcy_> discounting that its bad, its not even novel any more
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577 2013-12-25 11:29:57 <melvster> Emcy_: why is it bad?
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582 2013-12-25 11:35:22 <Plarkplark_> Once the Blockchain has the reputation of storing and spreading P2P filesharing magnetlinks (copyrighted material) it will be attacked that way.
583 2013-12-25 11:35:34 <Plarkplark_> The currency network has no legal handle (yet) - but P2P filesharing does.
584 2013-12-25 11:36:05 <tommygunner> lol copyright
585 2013-12-25 11:36:21 <Plarkplark_> tommygunner: you underestimate the negative buzz this will give bitcoin
586 2013-12-25 11:36:31 <tommygunner> nobody should care
587 2013-12-25 11:36:34 <tommygunner> and nobody will
588 2013-12-25 11:36:48 <tommygunner> its all manufactured negative buzz
589 2013-12-25 11:36:50 <Plarkplark_> No merchant will touch it, and it will bleed to dead. Media is strong like that.
590 2013-12-25 11:37:19 <tommygunner> i am going to keep double spending music and movies forever
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594 2013-12-25 11:38:17 <Plarkplark_> tommygunner: I can forsee regulation on the Bitcoin network by simply sending cease and dismiss letters to Miners/nodes. for running a "p2p network containing copyrighted material" this is how they _WILL_ attack the network.
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597 2013-12-25 11:38:34 <Plarkplark_> And I sure as hell will shut of my nodes and miners if they do. To be honest.
598 2013-12-25 11:38:40 <tommygunner> lol
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600 2013-12-25 11:38:49 <tommygunner> are you in the US?
601 2013-12-25 11:38:54 <Plarkplark_> My nodes are.
602 2013-12-25 11:39:00 <tommygunner> so yeah
603 2013-12-25 11:39:27 <tommygunner> a magnet link is nothing
604 2013-12-25 11:39:36 <Plarkplark_> Tell that to a non-tech judge.
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606 2013-12-25 11:39:44 <tommygunner> do people send dmcas to single bitcoin peers?
607 2013-12-25 11:39:59 <Plarkplark_> they send em to single torren peers.
608 2013-12-25 11:40:06 <tommygunner> a non tech judge will understand if explained correctly
609 2013-12-25 11:40:14 <Plarkplark_> And bitcoin is a disruptive tech, they will use a falseflag/red herring to kill it
610 2013-12-25 11:40:33 <tommygunner> its not that easy to kill
611 2013-12-25 11:40:55 <Plarkplark_> No, but kicked back into obscurity.
612 2013-12-25 11:41:07 <tommygunner> its running
613 2013-12-25 11:41:19 <tommygunner> and it will be running in the future
614 2013-12-25 11:41:33 <Plarkplark_> http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/12/torrent-searchengines-unlawful/
615 2013-12-25 11:41:35 <tommygunner> while old people will keep dying
616 2013-12-25 11:41:44 <Plarkplark_> "intent to induce infringement is overwhelming and beyond reasonable dispute."
617 2013-12-25 11:41:52 <tommygunner> and more copy machines are produced every day
618 2013-12-25 11:42:15 <Plarkplark_> No this will destroy bitcoin as a real tech, and another crypto will take over that does solve this blockchain spam.
619 2013-12-25 11:42:54 <tommygunner> as if anyone gives a fuck about a dmca for your bitcoin node
620 2013-12-25 11:43:00 <tommygunner> in china
621 2013-12-25 11:43:02 <tommygunner> in russia
622 2013-12-25 11:43:07 <tommygunner> in most of europe
623 2013-12-25 11:43:16 <Plarkplark_> Europe: yep.
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625 2013-12-25 11:43:29 <Plarkplark_> Piratebay is banned in Germany, France, Netherlands, etc.
626 2013-12-25 11:43:32 <tommygunner> lol
627 2013-12-25 11:43:35 <tommygunner> wat
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629 2013-12-25 11:43:39 <Plarkplark_> they simply banned the domain names and IP ranges by law
630 2013-12-25 11:43:44 <Plarkplark_> Im not kidding
631 2013-12-25 11:44:06 <Plarkplark_> You get a court article when trying to visit, and they have to add domain names and IP ranges to the list as we go along.
632 2013-12-25 11:44:16 <tommygunner> are you a fed or something
633 2013-12-25 11:44:21 <Plarkplark_> No
634 2013-12-25 11:44:31 <Plarkplark_> Im a concerned bitcoiner
635 2013-12-25 11:44:32 <tommygunner> you are misinformed then
636 2013-12-25 11:44:33 <Dagger2> UK too... but we have bigger things to worry about here, because we just introduced rather more wide-ranging censorship on most of our ISPs :/
637 2013-12-25 11:44:48 <Plarkplark_> misinformed? Im not kidding.
638 2013-12-25 11:45:23 <Plarkplark_> If I goto piratebay on my DSL line I get a court order.
639 2013-12-25 11:45:35 <tommygunner> lol
640 2013-12-25 11:45:43 <tommygunner> i go there every day and i dont
641 2013-12-25 11:45:57 <tommygunner> getting a court order for visiting a website
642 2013-12-25 11:45:59 <tommygunner> lol
643 2013-12-25 11:46:00 <Plarkplark_> Every ISP in Netherlands blocks it
644 2013-12-25 11:46:39 <Plarkplark_> No I chose my words wrong, I meand you get a copy of the juge decission. how do you call it....
645 2013-12-25 11:47:20 <tommygunner> what is it
646 2013-12-25 11:47:23 <tommygunner> is it blocked
647 2013-12-25 11:47:28 <tommygunner> or do you get a court letter if you visit it
648 2013-12-25 11:47:38 <Plarkplark_> you get the official statement
649 2013-12-25 11:47:43 <Plarkplark_> and a link to the letter
650 2013-12-25 11:47:59 <Plarkplark_> http://ic.tweakimg.net/ext/i/1337935984.png
651 2013-12-25 11:47:59 <monolithik> can you take this out of bitcoin-dev
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653 2013-12-25 11:48:04 <Plarkplark_> Sorry.
654 2013-12-25 11:48:14 <Plarkplark_> Just got into dicussion with tommygunner
655 2013-12-25 11:48:20 <Plarkplark_> Anyway, please fix this blockchain spam stuff
656 2013-12-25 11:48:24 <tommygunner> there are countless tpb proxies
657 2013-12-25 11:48:34 <Plarkplark_> gtg. later.
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670 2013-12-25 12:09:34 <tholenst> Silly observation which i'm sure other people made before: given a set of transactions, a miner who wants to maximize his fees needs to solve the NP-complete problem "maximum weight hypergraph matching"
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698 2013-12-25 12:51:55 <uiop> tholenst: i'm not seeing it. how?
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702 2013-12-25 12:55:59 <tholenst> uiop: It is really the same problem. Each transaction you might use in the next block depends on some outpoints (transaction outputs) being not spent in any other transaction. Think of these as vertices of a graph. Furthermore, each transaction has a weight: the fee the miner gets. Now, you want to select transactions such that (1) the fees are maximized and (2) no two transactions overlap in the outputs. Requirement (2) is the same
703 2013-12-25 12:55:59 <tholenst> as saying you need a ''matching'', but since the transactions may use multiple outputs you have a ''hypergraph''
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705 2013-12-25 13:00:46 * uiop thinks
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707 2013-12-25 13:03:33 <tholenst> Well, it's not really important in practice :) B but think about it: it's not easy to figure out which transactions are compatible with each other, as they
708 2013-12-25 13:03:34 <uiop> in "Each transaction you might use in the next block", is "you":=miner and "use":=include-in-a-block-to-mine, or ..?
709 2013-12-25 13:04:40 <tholenst> you = miner
710 2013-12-25 13:04:56 <uiop> tholenst: i'm confused about that part, but that aside why isn't the optimal strategy just to include *all* not-yet-mined transactions you (the miner) know about in the current block you're attempting to mine?
711 2013-12-25 13:04:59 <tholenst> think about it in an example: transaction (1) might use the outputs (A), (B), (C), and pay 1 BTC fee. Transaction (2) might use outputs (A), (B), (D), and use 2 BTC fee. Then, transaction 3 might use (B), (C), (D), and pay 1.5 BTC fee, and so on. Right?
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713 2013-12-25 13:05:33 <uiop> since it's almost computationally free to add a txn to the current block (just rejig your merkle tree)
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718 2013-12-25 13:06:09 <uiop> and since each attempt at computing a winning hash has the same probablility of success as any other
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725 2013-12-25 13:07:24 <uiop> oh. i see where you going..
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727 2013-12-25 13:07:53 <tholenst> but -- it's a theoretical observation; typically transaction won't look that complicated. Nevertheless, finding the *best* allocation in the *worst case* is NP-hard
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729 2013-12-25 13:09:36 <uiop> so at first blush you're saying something like "if a transaction has a big fee AND a txn it depends on has NOT yet been mined, prefer txns which will enable large fee txns, and the optimization takes place in the decision of which intermediate txns to mine)
730 2013-12-25 13:09:49 <uiop> (?)
731 2013-12-25 13:10:49 <tholenst> oh, that's also true, but I didn't even mean that. I have a set of txns which all depend on already mined transactions, but some of them spend the same output. The miner wants to select the subset of the txns which maximize the fees
732 2013-12-25 13:11:09 <uiop> tholenst: i'm not sure, but i think that a txn can be added to a block if its transitive not-yet-mined deps are also in that block
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734 2013-12-25 13:11:49 <uiop> (at least, i know that a txn A and another txn B can be in the same block, where B spend one of A's outputs)
735 2013-12-25 13:12:07 <tholenst> yes, but it's a difficult problem even in the simpler scenario where you only have transactions depending on already mined ones
736 2013-12-25 13:12:48 <tholenst> (because in principle, the double spending relations can be very complicated)
737 2013-12-25 13:12:53 <uiop> ah, i see. ("but some of them spend the same output")
738 2013-12-25 13:13:53 <tholenst> yes, that was what i was aiming at :) sorry, i was reading the AcceptToMemoryPool code, that is why I thought about it :)
739 2013-12-25 13:14:24 <uiop> interesting observation
740 2013-12-25 13:15:02 * uiop will think on that
741 2013-12-25 13:16:56 <uiop> one moral could be "double spend races are won by the biggest tippers!" ;)
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770 2013-12-25 14:15:53 <Alina-malina> I have an html page online, i want a javascript to retrieve the cours from bitcoinity and show online on my website, is it possible?
771 2013-12-25 14:16:46 <Alina-malina> Merry Christmas to everyone
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821 2013-12-25 15:31:14 <tdignan> Can someone help me to understand the proof of work and block chain? I am reading bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf, but I don't really understand yet. It's a block of transactions, and at some point in time a hash is taken and timestamp is recorded, which proves it existed at that time... which solves the problem of double spending somehow? How is a new bitcoin introduced by mining? Just randomly generated?
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828 2013-12-25 15:35:57 <kuzetsa> tdignan: the coinbase transaction (a special transaction in each new block added to the blockchain) assigns all fees associated with the transactions in that block, as well as the subsidy (initially the reward was 50, now 25 BTC) to whichever addres(es) the coinbase transaction says to pay
829 2013-12-25 15:37:22 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|tdignan: you should browse through http://bitcoin.it
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831 2013-12-25 15:37:42 <kuzetsa> tdignan: the subsidy itself is "made out of thin air" if you feel like looking at it like that... the block reward subsidy in the coinbase transaction is how the bitcoins are originally created and distributed
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833 2013-12-25 15:38:31 <kuzetsa> tdignan: yeah, michagogo just linked you to the bitcoin wiki. it's got some pretty good info
834 2013-12-25 15:38:35 <kuzetsa> oh whoops, they left
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836 2013-12-25 15:38:50 <kuzetsa> or pinged out or whatever
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1046 2013-12-25 20:51:12 <maaku> is CVarInt used anywhere, at all?
1047 2013-12-25 20:55:38 <sipa> which one is that?
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1058 2013-12-25 21:08:34 <sipa> maaku: one is used in the chainstate and undo information
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1060 2013-12-25 21:10:10 <sipa> maaku: the othe r is for example used for lengths of vectors in the standard serialization
1061 2013-12-25 21:10:25 <sipa> for example in the vin and vout counts of transactions
1062 2013-12-25 21:10:34 <sipa> and the number of transactions in a block
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1069 2013-12-25 21:14:05 <maaku> sipa: it's the one that looks like UTF-8 encoding
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1074 2013-12-25 21:17:04 <maaku> oh i see there is some indirection through WrapVarInt and VARINT
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1098 2013-12-25 21:42:05 <sserrano44> hello
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1100 2013-12-25 21:43:19 <sserrano44> in case anybody finds it useful this is a watch only bitcoin wallet HTTP service base on BitcoinJ https://code.google.com/r/c1devrandom-bitcoinj/source/browse/WatcherService/README.md?name=watcher_service1
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1103 2013-12-25 21:43:52 <sserrano44> there is a brief quickstart at https://code.google.com/r/c1devrandom-bitcoinj/source/browse/WatcherService/README.md?name=watcher_service1
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1191 2013-12-25 23:35:57 <sipa> BlueMatt: what would it take for pulltester to support BIP37-based block downloading?
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1193 2013-12-25 23:36:22 <sipa> constructing a partial block message for a match-everything should be easy
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