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   6 2013-12-31 00:02:18 <deanclkclk> could someone explain this? listunspent [minconf=1] [maxconf=999999]
   7 2013-12-31 00:02:28 <deanclkclk> Returns an array of unspent transaction outputs in the wallet that have between minconf and maxconf (inclusive) confirmations
   8 2013-12-31 00:02:56 <deanclkclk> I don't get it..are these receiving transactions?
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  56 2013-12-31 01:07:49 <comboy> http://pastie.org/private/ztryqstearyhkhlqdtag last few hours, are there currently any stats like these available online?
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  59 2013-12-31 01:10:32 <maaku> deanclkclk: these are coins which you have available to spend in a new transaction
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  61 2013-12-31 01:11:30 <deanclkclk> maaku: "unspent transaction outputs"
  62 2013-12-31 01:11:37 <deanclkclk> what's an output in bitcoin term?
  63 2013-12-31 01:11:54 <sipa> deanclkclk: if you don't understand that term, perhaps you should read more about the system before asking in this channel
  64 2013-12-31 01:11:55 <comboy> (hmm, pastie just went down: http://pastebin.com/Ek8hwfSR )
  65 2013-12-31 01:12:15 <deanclkclk> sipa: I did
  66 2013-12-31 01:12:28 <deanclkclk> it's not making sense
  67 2013-12-31 01:12:37 <sipa> you've been asking the most basic questions about bitcoin and network protocols for... days... weeks?
  68 2013-12-31 01:12:38 <deanclkclk> but, what maaku said does
  69 2013-12-31 01:12:43 <sipa> please take them elsewhere
  70 2013-12-31 01:12:51 <deanclkclk> where?
  71 2013-12-31 01:13:18 <maaku> #bitcoin
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 126 2013-12-31 02:26:47 <Luke-Jr> rfree: you mean to make a SCAM
 127 2013-12-31 02:26:57 <Luke-Jr> to make a real ALT, you need to spend months writing code.
 128 2013-12-31 02:27:17 <Luke-Jr> (useful code, not garbage that only affects mining)
 129 2013-12-31 02:27:27 <Luke-Jr> but in any case, this channel is for *BITCOIN* development, not alts or scams
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 132 2013-12-31 02:29:58 <rfree> Luke-Jr: it's a scam/joke, yes
 133 2013-12-31 02:30:34 <rfree> well ok, I want to know if the hash in that constant is just random thing or it has to match some hardcoded data on genesis block
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 250 2013-12-31 05:13:45 <nessence> maaku: I happen to come across you building and getting db::verify error. Was that on macos?
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 277 2013-12-31 05:53:54 <gittie> The bitcoin github says that Bitcoin can't be built on a 64 bit mac, is this correct ?
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 279 2013-12-31 05:58:15 <maaku> gittie: i used to be able to. mavericks broke all my builds now
 280 2013-12-31 05:59:03 <gittie> maaku: luckily I'm using snow leopard
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 282 2013-12-31 06:04:01 <Neozonz> Disc!~Neozonz@unaffiliated/neozonz|what exactly is " -rpcthreads=<n>        Set the number of threads to service RPC calls (default: 4)"
 283 2013-12-31 06:04:19 <Neozonz> Disc!~Neozonz@unaffiliated/neozonz|are these the number of connection threads or processor threads or..?
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 286 2013-12-31 06:13:08 <robonerd> www.coindev.org <- can anyone figure out why our favicon.ico isn't showing?
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 294 2013-12-31 06:25:06 <nessence> robonerd: your favicon worked for me :)
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 308 2013-12-31 06:48:28 <maaku> gittie: 64-bit builds worked fine for me on snow leopard
 309 2013-12-31 06:49:03 <maaku> nessence: i was using macports. installed db53, then regressed back to db48 solved it
 310 2013-12-31 06:49:04 <maaku> no idea why
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 312 2013-12-31 06:50:19 <nessence> I'm having to force-compile everything with libstdc++ :/  Perhaps when I get it all working this way, I'll do the smart thing and try and get it to work with -lc++ by only modifying bitcoin
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 330 2013-12-31 07:04:02 <gittie> maaku: I got an issue with boos
 331 2013-12-31 07:04:04 <gittie> boost*
 332 2013-12-31 07:05:52 <robonerd> which is?
 333 2013-12-31 07:05:55 <robonerd> c++? lol
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 338 2013-12-31 07:10:09 <gittie> any tips on doing that
 339 2013-12-31 07:10:38 <maaku> compile it yourself
 340 2013-12-31 07:10:58 <maaku> 1.50 I think
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 352 2013-12-31 07:25:26 <maaku> gittie: I just edited my makefile to include -I and -L flags pointing at the boost directory
 353 2013-12-31 07:25:42 <gittie> why didn't I think of that
 354 2013-12-31 07:26:03 <midnightmagic> nessence: You *may* have different luck with pkgsrc instead of macports. There are some superior structures in there that help the build/dependency resolution process in a way that macports kind of hides.
 355 2013-12-31 07:27:36 <maaku> some people report success with brew as well
 356 2013-12-31 07:27:39 <nessence> thanks. been using homebrew
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 360 2013-12-31 07:39:09 <nessence> ./net.h:427:40: error: invalid suffix on literal; C++11 requires a space between literal and identifier [-Wreserved-user-defined-literal]. fun stuff
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 575 2013-12-31 12:57:43 <robonerd> can someone here with js disabled in their browser check out www.coindev.org and tell me what the bottom left bitcoin donate button does?
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 647 2013-12-31 14:40:21 <nessence> was/is support for retina graphics added after 0.8.6 was released?
 648 2013-12-31 14:40:35 * nessence digs through commit history
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 703 2013-12-31 15:50:53 <mack25> what's the command to show all bitcoin addresses in bitcoind?
 704 2013-12-31 15:52:57 <nessence_> listaccounts and iterate results with getaccountaddress
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 709 2013-12-31 15:56:22 <Apocalyptic> nessence_, not at all
 710 2013-12-31 15:56:45 <Apocalyptic> getaccountaddress only gives one address, you have to call getaddressesbyaccount to get them all
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 718 2013-12-31 16:04:30 <mack25> Apocalyptic but not a command to list all bitcoin addresses?
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 720 2013-12-31 16:04:54 <Apocalyptic> you can't do that in one command only nope
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 722 2013-12-31 16:05:00 <mack25> ok
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 726 2013-12-31 16:05:20 <mack25> but you have a script written for me to do that though? =)
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 731 2013-12-31 16:05:37 <Apocalyptic> it's trivial...
 732 2013-12-31 16:05:50 <mack25> no you dont have to worry about it
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 734 2013-12-31 16:05:54 <mack25> not a huge deal
 735 2013-12-31 16:06:32 <mack25> listaccounts works great
 736 2013-12-31 16:06:40 <mack25> if it had addresses with them as well
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 742 2013-12-31 16:12:16 <Luke-Jr> mack25: there's no use case..?
 743 2013-12-31 16:13:27 <nessence_> hrm. my listaccounts doesn't show addresses :)
 744 2013-12-31 16:13:43 <nessence_> although I suppose I'm hitting rpc
 745 2013-12-31 16:13:59 * nessence_ throws up arms if cli is different than rpc
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 942 2013-12-31 19:59:03 <andytoshi> i am writing a python script to generate txes for my joiner
 943 2013-12-31 19:59:11 <andytoshi> what is a reasonable (simple) coin selection policy?
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 946 2013-12-31 20:00:37 <andytoshi> i'm thinking, from the set of coins larger than the target output, select them in increasing order of value
 947 2013-12-31 20:00:51 <maaku> andytoshi: for the joiner are you tracking taint? that affects this
 948 2013-12-31 20:01:08 <andytoshi> maaku: nope
 949 2013-12-31 20:01:10 <maaku> if so you should (I think) choose coins which have similar taint/anonimity set
 950 2013-12-31 20:01:17 <andytoshi> yeah, that'd be best
 951 2013-12-31 20:01:32 <andytoshi> idk how to compute that though
 952 2013-12-31 20:02:04 <andytoshi> also "select some subset of coins satisfying a nice property" sounds NP-hard
 953 2013-12-31 20:02:20 <maaku> for coin selection in general, google knapsack problem
 954 2013-12-31 20:02:29 <maaku> coin selection *is* NP-hard
 955 2013-12-31 20:02:43 <andytoshi> yeah, i'm familiar with that, and with the bitcoind simulated annealing solution
 956 2013-12-31 20:02:49 <andytoshi> i'm trying to be lazier than that :)
 957 2013-12-31 20:02:59 <maaku> selecting a subset of coins with a nice property actually makes it easier...
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 960 2013-12-31 20:03:19 <maaku> as for calculating that property, it's pretty simple
 961 2013-12-31 20:03:45 <maaku> you have the number of inputs and outputs for that bucket size
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 967 2013-12-31 20:11:38 <andytoshi> maaku: what do you mean by bucket size?
 968 2013-12-31 20:11:48 <andytoshi> (sorry, my comp overheated or something and conked out)
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 970 2013-12-31 20:12:22 <maaku> coinjoin output size
 971 2013-12-31 20:12:47 <maaku> since it's possible for a cj txn to have multiple popular sizes
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 973 2013-12-31 20:15:31 <andytoshi> possible, but in generating txes i'd rather assume one (which the user specifies)
 974 2013-12-31 20:15:51 <andytoshi> and then just try to have a ton of outputs of that size
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 992 2013-12-31 20:34:21 <gmaxwell> sipa: Did you ever check to see if MPIR is faster than GMP for libsecp256k1?
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1012 2013-12-31 21:13:49 <ProfMac> I have built bitcoind under Ubuntu 12.04.  Now I want to start reading & understanding the source.  For a first project, I would like the spare addresses to be "vanity" addresses of the form "1Uxxxxxxxx"  I have looked at the base58.cpp module, and have not attained grok.  Are there other places I should also read?
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1017 2013-12-31 21:16:02 <maaku> ProfMac: you are aware that (1) vanity addresses require a complex mining process to find, which is not implemented in the reference client, and (2) this will seriously hurt privacy?
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1028 2013-12-31 21:33:05 <ProfMac> maaku, I had assumed it would be a brute force approach, simply generating lots of address until one had the desired digits.  I assume the various vanity address generation sites do it that way, hidden behind some privacy safe algebra.  As for privacy, the word "seriously" is very slippery, as is "transparency" and I trust myself to find the point on that line where I want a given transaction to be.
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1030 2013-12-31 21:33:59 <ProfMac> otoh, I am open to other useful "first effort" tasks.
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1032 2013-12-31 21:34:23 <maaku> ProfMac: it destroys the entire privacy model for everybody to have the keypool contents be tied to the user
1033 2013-12-31 21:34:55 <andytoshi> ProfMac: i think that's a good 'first effort' project .. but as maaku says this is not something you ought to be actually using
1034 2013-12-31 21:35:31 <andytoshi> (i'm assuming your goal here is to learn, not to start contributing)
1035 2013-12-31 21:36:03 <maaku> ProfMac: check the issue tracker on github, there's got to be something there that's easy to take a stab at
1036 2013-12-31 21:36:07 <ProfMac> learn enough that I can start asking intelligent questions.
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1061 2013-12-31 22:10:11 <Zapsoda> I feel stupid asking this, Is there a simple way to make a callback when you generate a address with the bitcoind (Using php and the JSON-RPC api) I normally use the blockchain API which has a great callback function but i'm trying to make a site without any 3rd parties (Blockchain), Ive been looking at the -walletnotify option for bitcoind but it seems i can only pass the transaction hash and I'm not sure how to access it when
1062 2013-12-31 22:10:11 <Zapsoda> using the phpcli (I have it run a .sh file and wget the php callback file but that seems odd), I also thought about constant polling but that seems horribly inefficient), Any tips? I feel like i'm missing something obvious since most developers would want a way to know when a gened address receives payment
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1064 2013-12-31 22:12:01 <kanzure> you can just generate addresses in advance if you want
1065 2013-12-31 22:12:08 <maaku> I'm experimenting with a hard-fork change to the transaction format. The way in which the client knows which format to use is the block height. I'm looking for some advice on how to properly handle this.
1066 2013-12-31 22:12:11 <kanzure> and then you work through your queue of pre-generated addresses
1067 2013-12-31 22:12:31 <maaku> Should the serialization primitives be extended to take a height value as well (in addition to format & version)
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1069 2013-12-31 22:13:35 <maaku> Zapsoda: have whatever script is calling the getnewaddress api do the callback / post a message there
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1071 2013-12-31 22:15:12 <Zapsoda> maaku, is that built into the bitcoin API somehow? I dont know how to setup a callback for receiving on that address without using a 3rd party api like blockchain
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1073 2013-12-31 22:16:11 <maaku> Zapsoda: what are you doing? You just said you are calling 'getnewaddress' via JSON-RPC, right?
1074 2013-12-31 22:16:22 <maaku> You are the only one calling it, so you know when it is being called.
1075 2013-12-31 22:16:35 <maaku> You don't need bitcoind to tell you what you're doing.
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1094 2013-12-31 22:31:54 <jspilman> Why would hashes not match betweee sha256sums advertised on sourceforge.net for bitcoin-0.8.6 for 'bitcoin-0.8.6-win32-setup.exe' and the hash in the gitian.sigs bitcoin-build.assert file for the same release?
1095 2013-12-31 22:32:35 <jspilman> nevermind, one is zipped one is not
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1099 2013-12-31 22:35:59 <jspilman> actually, sorry, there are apparently the same file (unzipped) in both places and hashes don't match. Does gitian calculate the hash differently in the .assert file?
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1102 2013-12-31 22:41:13 <maaku> no
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1105 2013-12-31 22:41:36 <maaku> openssl sha256 IIRC
1106 2013-12-31 22:41:46 <jspilman> can I post links to the two different hashes I'm seeing?
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1109 2013-12-31 22:42:30 <maaku> sure
1110 2013-12-31 22:42:34 <jspilman> http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/bitcoin-0.8.6/SHA256SUMS.asc/view
1111 2013-12-31 22:42:45 <jspilman> bitcoin-0.8.6-win32-setup.exe -- starts with 'baac'
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1113 2013-12-31 22:43:13 <maaku> the gitian build should be 49547ff9c4d3f97290a9a0026fe41adf02469b4a053f2aca1856d2c42a1c3d7e
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1115 2013-12-31 22:43:42 <jspilman> https://github.com/bitcoin/gitian.sigs/blob/master/0.8.6-win32/gavinandresen/bitcoin-build.assert -- 4954 -- yes, exactly
1116 2013-12-31 22:44:03 <jspilman> why the discrepency?
1117 2013-12-31 22:44:31 <maaku> michagogo|cloud gmaxwell ^^
1118 2013-12-31 22:44:51 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|codesigning
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1120 2013-12-31 22:44:56 <maaku> ah
1121 2013-12-31 22:45:06 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|the setup on sourceforge is signed by gavin
1122 2013-12-31 22:45:14 <maaku> is it possible to strip the code signature?
1123 2013-12-31 22:45:37 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|maaku: No idea -- but you can compare the hashes on the actual bitcoin*.exes
1124 2013-12-31 22:45:43 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(after you install)
1125 2013-12-31 22:45:49 <maaku> true
1126 2013-12-31 22:45:56 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Those aren't signed
1127 2013-12-31 22:46:18 <maaku> although that requires running untrusted code first which is suboptimal
1128 2013-12-31 22:46:28 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Indeed
1129 2013-12-31 22:46:45 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Well, FSVO untrusted
1130 2013-12-31 22:47:11 <maaku> yeah by gitian standards at least
1131 2013-12-31 22:47:15 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|right
1132 2013-12-31 22:47:18 <maaku> I assume SHA256SUMS.asc is signed by gavin
1133 2013-12-31 22:47:22 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Yep
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1135 2013-12-31 22:47:27 <maaku> so it reduces to gavin-can-screw-us security
1136 2013-12-31 22:47:32 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|correct.
1137 2013-12-31 22:47:45 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|The codesigning on the setup is also Gavin
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1139 2013-12-31 22:48:02 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(he's got the privkey for the cert in the Foundation's name)
1140 2013-12-31 22:51:31 <jspilman> ok, you can download the .zip and extract bitcoin-qt.exe and then check its hash (be2e9) matches the gitian
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1142 2013-12-31 22:52:27 <jspilman> thanks
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1145 2013-12-31 22:54:34 <jcorgan> lol blockexplorer.com still stuck at 277595
1146 2013-12-31 22:55:41 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|maaku: Ah, that's true
1147 2013-12-31 22:55:46 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|There's the zip
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1153 2013-12-31 22:58:07 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|It does appear to be possible to strip an Authenticode signature, but I can't find information on whether or not that gives you back the original file exactly as it was
1154 2013-12-31 22:58:19 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(I'd guess probably not)
1155 2013-12-31 22:58:28 <maaku> yeah that'd seem unlikely
1156 2013-12-31 22:58:47 <maaku> although could could probably make a tool to do that
1157 2013-12-31 22:59:58 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|*maybe*.
1158 2013-12-31 23:00:41 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|There's a ImageRemoveCertificate API call
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1160 2013-12-31 23:00:51 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|http://www.fluxbytes.com/csharp/remove-digital-signature-from-a-file-using-c/
1161 2013-12-31 23:01:01 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|s/a/an/
1162 2013-12-31 23:01:07 <maaku> i mean the .exe format (including code signing) is well documented
1163 2013-12-31 23:01:40 <maaku> another option is to upload a binary diff, or just the unsigned binaries
1164 2013-12-31 23:01:45 <maaku> but that's what the zip is i suppose
1165 2013-12-31 23:02:34 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I wonder if there'd be any value in uploading an unsigned setup
1166 2013-12-31 23:03:03 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|What does the setup.exe do, anyway? It'd be nice if there were an easily readable writeup about it
1167 2013-12-31 23:03:47 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I assume it extracts files into their places, and registers as an installed programs for the uninstall control panel, as a handler for bitcoin: URIs, etc
1168 2013-12-31 23:04:30 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Maybe make the default download be the signed setup, and then have a separate section for the unmodified gitian setup
1169 2013-12-31 23:04:34 * michagogo cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|shrugs
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